The Delta Flyers - Day Of Honor

Episode Date: September 6, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Day of Honor. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Day of Honor:As Lt Torres faces the Klingon `Day of Honour', Voyager is ambushed by the Caatati, who demand Seven of Nine as ransom.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.And a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, and Kate Mulgrew.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Lucas Shuck, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Joshua McHenry, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, and Melissa LauAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, James Cottrell, Jenna Appleton, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Michelle Maroney, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Joseph Lanning, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, Yousuf Khan, and David Wei LiuThank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Gerard Wong. And of course, my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. I'm Robbie. Yeah. We need like a house band. Yeah. Well, let's just talk about how excited you are about your little studio, your new little podcast. I am so excited about it. Yeah. So, you know, because we've been moving. Right. Like from, you know, Utah, I'm traveling so much. You know, I had my microphone and my things. And I had a ring light. Like every, you know, streamer person gets these days. But it just was like it was reflecting my glasses all the time. I had wires everywhere. Yeah. It was always a pain in the butt. And now, thanks to my lovely wife, Rebecca and her creating this, she ordered these, like, foam, sound insulating things that she, she mounted onto cardboard that is placed all around me. We got these lights on stands with a, with a remote.

There's the remote for my lights, so they don't reflect, and they're very, oh, it's just, I love this. It's a studio now. It's awesome. You are so ecstatic and euphoric and in love. You are in love right now. I am. Right? With my studio. With your studio. Yeah. Nice. Wow. Well, you know, that makes me, that makes me a little jealous to know that you've got all these extra things there. And I haven't, I haven't gotten any sound reducing foam. But maybe I don't need it as much. I don't sound very echoey for you. No, you don't sound echoey. Our new place here is, you know, it's like marble floors and hard surfaces everywhere. It was very echoy. And so I felt like I had to do something. I'm going to say right now, I'm going to go on a limb and say this that when it comes to the world of podcasters, all the podcasters out there, I would venture to say that we are the most nomadic of probably anyone else out there.

Am I right? You move around a bit. Yeah, you travel all the time. I'm traveling. You're traveling. Yes. Right? I mean, I don't know. Yeah. Most podcasters, they live in one city and they podcast from that city from their home. We, you split time between Vancouver, Salt Lake, and at one point, Atlanta, myself, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Calgary. So we always have three locations that we're jumping around to, practically, right? I love it. I love it. Yeah. So that's just who we are. This week's episode is Day of Honor. Oh, say no more. Say no more. Close your mouth. Yes. Just say the title only. We won't go any further than that. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Okay. So this week's episode is Day of Honor. We are going to go watch it. Garrett and I. We're going to make our notes. And we are going to come back and tell everybody our thoughts on Day of Honor.

See you soon. See you. all right everybody we are back from watching day of honor and i stand i stand corrected i did not think this was the exterior space floating this was the floating in the spacesuits i i thought i remembered that being the i love you episode god i really thought that was later i did not think it happened at this point in the in the and as soon as you said as soon as you told me oh no i don't think it's the space thing i'm like well then maybe it's the cave batliff thing but it's It's not even that. No, no.

Well, there is a cave. You're right about that. But that's the holographic program, right? That you help design with Torres. All right. So let's just start off. This is written by Jerry Taylor. This is directed, is this Jesus' first?

By the way, no, it's his second episode. It's his second episode because he directed, I want to say, fair trade. Okay. I think he did fair trade in season three. He'd done, Jesus had directed. DS9 episodes, that's kind of how we got him on Voyager. Okay. So he had directed some DS9 episodes.

So he cut his Trek teeth on DS9 and then came up to Voyager. And let's give him the proper credit. His full name is Jesus Salvador Trevino. So that is the full name of Jesus, who again, really wonderful guy. We really enjoy working with him. I loved Jesus. So calm, so competent. and so relaxed about everything, right?

So, yeah. And I think that my memory is that with Jesus, that he had been an editor. He came from post-production. Yes, that's right. Way back in that day. Yeah. And he had been in post-production

and started as an editor and then became a director. And he was just always a very calming influence. He was very easy to work with. I thought his direction was very smart and point. and also he lived down in Venice Beach where I lived. Oh. So he was like kind of a neighbor.

I see. So I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, he was old school, L.A. Jesus, awesome guy. So Jesus, we loved Jesus. We loved him at the time. We loved him. He directed a lot of episodes, and I learned a lot from him.

He was a very smart, very wise director. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Let's talk about some of the guest stars real quick. Alan Altschild Alan Altschild who plays Lumus Loomis

says Loomis Yes by the way I want to say right now and I'll bring it up again the makeup for these Katarian

are they Katarian No they're called Katadi Katadi thank you The Katadhi makeup Yeah was phenomenal

I think Really good Between the hands The extended hands The detailed to the sort of dinosaur

like face. I thought it was, I thought the makeup department did a phenomenal job. And what's cool, though, Robbie, I'm going to interrupt you, is that when we first see the Katati spokesperson on screen, who is, I think, Loomis at the time, right? Yes, that's Alan Altschold. That's Alan Altschold in the cockpit on the view screen. You only see him dead on. Not until later, do you see the hands and a profile of that alien makeup, which is completely got all these extra dimensions and a lot, a lot of levels going on. Very complex makeup looking quite, quite good, actually, right? And then we have Michael Crowick, who is listed as, what's the name that we have? What do you have for him? His, I don't have a

note for that, but he was the, wasn't he the, the, the, no, no, he's the, he's another, this is where it gets confusing. He's another Katadi. He's another Katadi. And it's like, so I, because that makeup was so good. I thought it was the same guy in both the beginning and the end. But I think we had two different Qatadi in there. Right.

Because he's ramen. Okay. So there's Loomis and ramen. Like the noodle. But I had... I made a note of that, by the way. It was like noodles? I don't know.

It was just confusing because I thought it was Newman or something like that. I couldn't hear. A lot of times it's hard to hear whenever they say who they are. It's just hard to hear what they're saying and make out. But evidently, there's two different katati, the one on screen and then one later that comes into the briefing room or maybe the one that comes to get the technology at the end. So there's some confusion.

Yeah. So there's a little confusion of Allen's character and Michael's character. Here's the thing. That makeup is so good. Yeah. It's so specific that I just assumed it was one guy. The same guy. Yeah.

Okay. And we have Mr. Kevin P. Stillwell who portrays the Klingon in the, the holodeck program that Paris helps Torres program for her day of honor ritual. So Kevin P. Stillwell there. So that's our shout out to all of our guest actors, which is something that we should do more of, Robbie. We should really talk about these guys because they deserve it, right? Okay.

Can we start with our synopsis? I just want to say one last thing. Jerry Taylor wrote the script. Yes. And I did not realize that Jerry Taylor was still writing scripts in season four. I thought by then she had sort of stepped away So that she was more of a consultant on our show And not an actual, you know, day-to-day screenwriter

But she had written she wrote the script Could this be her final script that she wrote for Voyager? It might be, I don't know We can look into that, but I did as we watched this After I watched this episode, I looked up a few things I know that she was very invested in taking the Tom and Bolano relationship to a new level. She thought they had been dancing around it for too long.

They needed, like she felt they needed to come out and be explicit and just embrace it. And I know Brandon Braga and some of the other writers had been more cautious and wanted to stay away from it. So I'm really glad that Jerry pushed for this script in the way that it plays out. I thought it was great. Well, playing off of the last episode

where Kess gave the gift to Voyager of the closer proximity to home. Now, Jerry Taylor gives the gift of the relationship or the okay, the stamp of approval for Paris and Torres to be a couple now. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Okay. All right. Let's do our synopsis. Let's do. Let me get to my limerick. Right. I think we start with haiku, right? So, okay.

Always, always haiku first. You find your limerick. Tell me when you're ready and I'll start my haiku. I am ready. Because every time you tap your phone, your whole screen bounces. The screen bounces. Yeah, it looks like there's an earthquake in Vancouver.

Okay, here we go. My haiku for Day of Honor. Seven wants to work. Balana's worst day ever. Katadi are jerks. I like it. That's the thing about a haiku is it's just right to the point. So to the point.

It's just the essence. It's the essence. Okay, here we go with our. Our limerick for Day of Honor. I can't wait. Bala's quite grumpy, doesn't like the Day of Honor. Then the warp course ejected. The trip home could be longer.

When Tom and Boulana float in space, they share big feelings and an awkward embrace. Now they both have some things to ponder. Wow, I thought you were already done with it. I jumped in a little too early. You did jump in a little too early. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in that one. A limerick is much more complex as you really is.

Remember, yeah. I was a little confused because I thought the first two lines are supposed to rhyme. How does it go? Yes, isn't it? Bala's quite grumpy, doesn't like the day of honor. Okay. Then the warp course ejected. The trip home could be longer. very good I like it I like it yeah the limerick as you remember you used to spend I got text from you saying I'm not ready I'm not ready hours that take me so much more time and hours and hours at least another another hour minimum just to do the limerick for the limerick only but hey but you know you have the

assistance of RJ Rebecca and she really and by assistance you mean out of the air you mean basically she's doing it. He's basically doing most of it. He's not doing them, but maybe she is. Good job, Rebecca. No, it's really good. All right, here we go. Let's start it up. We start a cargo bay, and there's seven coming out of the, another slow film version of there's

Cargo Bay, there's seven in the sexy outfit, she's a board. It was just, I felt this time like, all right, we've seen this moment before. Yeah. Like, I'm tired of being seven, yeah, seven's a board, and she's in a skin-tied outfit, I get it. Yeah. But we do it again, and then she wakes up, and there's Chocote. And she basically says to Chacote, I need a duty assignment because I'm lonely. I'm used to being with a whole collective, and I need to connect with people.

I just, I'm feeling lonely. You just said duty. I said duty. You sure did. Duty, duty, duty, duty. Yes. I, and I do now remember the name for what she regenerates it. It's a Borg regeneration alcove.

I couldn't remember that last episode. I'm like, why do you say that dang thing? It's an alcove. Okay. It's an alcove. Yeah. So she wants a duty assignment from Chikote. Yes.

Yes, she does. She's lonely, but that makes total sense. And it's a wonderful little subliminal setup for the whole episode, really, about connection, about a human experience of feeling connected. Yeah. and Tom and Boulana played out in the love story and yeah and and it plays out in lots of great ways I'm okay with the sort of slow push in I know we've already done it we showed her and all her magnificent magnificence I know we've seen that and I'm okay with it let's just see in successive episodes if they keep hitting on that over and over again then I'll be bored I mean you're already kind of tired of it but I'm kind of tired of it right now but yeah I feel like this is it like let's not do this beat again we know she's she's she's sleeps in an alcove. We know she's an ex-borg.

I get it. But don't spend a lot of time on it. Got it. All right. So we go to engineering and Vorick is there. We haven't seen him for a long time. No. Vorick is there.

He's fixing a leak in some kind of coupling or something. And Balana is really irritated. Right. She's snapping at him. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, come on, fix this thing. She's having a bad day.

Yeah. She's having a bad day already. You can tell. But we know, we know what were you, we do remember the last time we saw Vorick, or at least you should. Oh, yeah. You were fighting for the love of your woman with, which by the way, by the way, let me say like, you didn't fight, she fought, excuse me. But by the way, shouldn't there be some awkwardness with Vorick and Belon? Like, that's one thing I missed in this episode.

I'm like, wait a minute, Vorik just had the Ponfar last time. We saw him. And that was a big. deal. And now they're just acting like, oh, they're just co-workers. Agreed. Where's the awkward ponfar? Agreed. There definitely should have been some awkwardness. There was no tracking whatsoever of that awkwardness that they'd literally fought to the death. You know what I'm saying? Almost killing each other. Yeah. And now they're just, they're okay with it, I guess.

I don't know. Tours is a bad news. She's snappy with Vorek. Paris asks about their, Paris shows up and he asked about their dinner plans. Are we still going out tonight? And then he asked, hey, are you going to be still going to be still going through with that day of honor ritual. And that's when she says, nah, I've decided against it, which Paris is not too happy about because clearly he spent time helping her develop this program, you know, but he's like, okay, all right, she's had a bad day. I can tell that she's not having anything, you know.

Well, she says, like, I had a sentimental moment where I thought maybe I'd do some of this, but you know what? Nah, I decided I'm having a bad day. I don't want to do it. Right. And I like Paris's line. He's like, oh, well, I wouldn't want to get too sentimental. Yes.

It's already setting up like, you know, she doesn't want to deal with feelings and he's being sarcastic. And if you think of it, she does enumerate everything that's happened to her, right? It starts off with waking up late, which is already the biggest, worst thing to have to happen. If you're, if you have a duty assignment that you have to appear for, then the sonic shower malfunctions, then she misses breakfast. And now she's not hungry. She's hungry, right? angry and hungry together because you need to have food. Well, she also says that a couple of people were sick in engineering. She had a cover. And by the way, you know, Rebecca said in that moment,

we're watching it. And she's like, wait a minute, two people are sick. Why is anybody sick? Like, you've, you're Star Trek. Like, they just go to sick bay and get a hypo Sprit. Like, oh, I'm feeling kind of nauseous. Okay. Have a hyposprit. Like, honestly, that's, that was using 20th century mindset. into writing this script, the dialogue for this script. Nobody would be just sick. Like, either they're dead or they're working. Sure.

But nobody calls in sick. I mean, that's an interesting thing about Starfleet. If you think about it, like in the future, yeah. Yeah, you're either dead or you're working. There's no sick days anymore. That's right. That's right. And plus, we have no outside influences to catch any viruses from, really.

You know, I mean, everyone's kind of in the same ship and hanging out with each other, right? so yeah so there's there's some question marks there some holes in the script okay but all these things together kind of puts us puts her into this mood that she's in and i love your line when you're walking out of engineering to chikote be careful you know you're like you're warning him right so chokote comes into engineering and he's he tells balana he says i've talked to seven and she's feeling like she needs some kind of purpose or job here she wants to work in engineering balana says absolutely not in fact balana says at this point the trans warp technology is too dangerous we shouldn't be playing with that yeah we have no experience true by the way yeah is we freaking eject a warp core

like balana's right here decote goes nope and in fact she calls him naive i think yeah and uh yeah and he says you know what lieutenant he goes this is an order seven's doing it yeah and so yeah He pulls rank on her. He pulls rank, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let me jump into the next one. So Janeway's ready room.

We're now in Janeway's ready room. Janeway is talking to seven and she says, you know what, that name, seven of nine, it's just a little too cumbersome is the word she used. And so she suggests, how about just using seven and. Well, actually, first she suggests Onica. Oh, Anika, right. What about your given name? Sorry.

What about, let's try? What about that? the human name. And she's like, nope, I've never even known myself to be, you know, she has no recollection of being even called that name. So it's no good for her. So then she suggests seven. And she says, well, it's, what does she say?

It's inaccurate, but efficient, but, uh, sufficient. Yeah, it's sufficient. I want to start using that in real life, sufficient, you know. It's sufficient. It's sufficient. That'll be sufficient. All right. Now we're on the bridge.

There's a ship approaching. It's damaged but functional, and it's the katty. And there are several dozen life signs, and it's all very, and then this character comes on the view screen and he introduces himself. He says, I'm ramen. And I was like, I made a note, noodles. Oh, you know, ramen noodles. It's that, you know, they have to make up a lot of alien names.

Yeah. And I'm sure ramen just, you know, they were, they were just out of names. and they decided to go with ramen noodles or jerry ryan was was sorry jerry taylor was in the kitchen on her laptop tapping away and she looked over at a at something over on this left and it was a package of ramen noodles and she thought perfect ramen perfect ramen is the ramen yeah um this species has been mostly decimated by the assimilation by the borg only a few thousand escaped millions of kata used to be alive right that's proud and accomplished people he said yeah and It's very embarrassed by the situation.

Yeah, very much so. Yeah, it's very sad. You know, what's so funny is that every time we come across an alien race, they always say, we were a very proud and accomplished race. Like, nobody ever says, we were very cowardly and we did nothing, you know, in our history. We're basically the slackers of the Delta Quadrant. No one has said that to us yet. No, not yet.

But they asked for food, supplies, and thorium isotopes from. from us. And Jamie's like, okay, all right. Sounds good. And they're very sympathetic, by the way. This is, yeah, it's very, and this is the first time I saw this makeup, uh, watching the episode. And I got to say, again, I thought, um, I thought they did, the makeup department did a phenomenal job. This was a one of my favorite alien makeups. It just looked the way the actor wore it. It just looked very authentic in a, in a non-human way. I thought it was very cool. Yeah. I get. I'm sorry, I was going to say, it gives me the hebe-jeeves a little bit because there is a segment of the population that can't look at things that have holes in it.

I think it's trictophobia or something is the name of it, but that makeup has all these holes and gaps in it. So it was kind of hard for me to look at. I was impressed by it, yes, and I said, but uncomfortable. But uncomfortable, yes. Interesting. Well, I also found the actor's speech pattern to be slightly uncomfortable, I got to say. It was very sort of halted and broken rhythm. I don't know, I don't know if that was direction.

I don't know if that was, I'm not sure where that came from, but I found that a little distracting, I got to be honest. I liked it. I thought it was just, it added a little, you know, a different element to it. And I felt whether it was Jesus's idea or that particular actor, I don't know, but to me, you know, it's, it kind of changed things a little bit. I didn't mind it so much. Yeah, it was a little, it was a little distracting to me,

but I appreciate the effort to do something non-human in all the ways. I thought that was pretty cool. Right. Yeah, so we go to engineering, and this is where I made a big note. Like, why aren't Bologna and VORIC more awkward? Like, they're working together on this trans-warp technology, and they're trying to incorporate some of the Borg technology and this trans-warp technology into the warp drive,

and Bala and 7 have a lot of friction. But I'm like, why aren't Bala and Vorek sort of a little, little more awkward. I don't know. That that bothered me that we didn't track that. Well, probably because she's so busy being mean to seven. And I don't recall her being this mean. I was like, oh my goodness. No, she was pretty nasty. She's calling her out. Like, do you have any feelings of remorse regarding the Katati and any other species that you've assimilated? I mean, she's so pissed off about it. Yeah. She does not want seven. What? Yeah. Yeah. And seven gets it. And seven's like, I'm going to go back to my alcoe and wait for this. Everything.

just, you know, all this computer stuff to catch up. I'm going back to my board crib. I'll be gone. I'll see you in a bit. But part of it is Bologna's grumpy mood. Like she's having a bad, a bad, awful day. And she's taking it out on seven, a little, it's a little amplified here. He's taking it out on everybody, correct?

She's already taking it out a bit on you, on Chikote, on Vorick, definitely. And now seven gets the brunt of it, right? So everyone's getting a little bit of it. Yeah, so we go to the mess hall. And Neelix bring some blood, He's so happy to bring some blood pie over for Day of Honor, which is a traditional sort of holiday. The Day of Honor is kind of like I read a little about Jerry Taylor after we watched this. Jerry Taylor talked about the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur and sort of looking back at how you had behaved that year and seeing if you could do anything differently.

If you could make amends or if you had any regrets or things, that's it. That's, Yom Kippur is a Jewish holiday. And so Day of Honor is sort of a version of that in the Klingon mythology. Interesting. What did that blood pie look like to you? I'm curious. It looked like a, it looked like to me a, what's the, like a sassafras pie or something. Oh.

It looked kind of reddish, but like a fruit pie to me. It didn't, you know, that's what I saw. Okay, what I saw was roasted red pepper hummus. Oh, interesting. Interesting. I was thinking more like an apple, like sassafras or some kind of red root of some kind, root beer or whatever that is. Or maybe a beet pie or something with a little redness in there. Yeah, maybe something with some redness.

Pumpkin, yeah. Okay. All right, cool. Well, she refuses it. She's like, no, you know, I'm not going to go through with this Day of Honor thing. and she's also a little bit surprised and annoyed that Neelix even knows about this. So she's not, again, in a bad mood. And then he sits her down and says, look, you know, I know you have a temper.

And I'm going to offer you this gift, I guess, let me be your pressure valve to blow off steam. Basically a punching bag, right? So come here and call me names and this and that and I'll be okay with it. He says, he says, call me names. Insult me. Question my parentage. I can't. And then I love when she's like, that's the nicest offer. Anyone's ever made me.

That's the nicest offer I've had in a very long time. So cling on of her, yeah. Yeah. Say that. But then, you know, she does ask for his advice and whether or not she should go through with a stay of honor ritual. And, you know, he kind of convinces her being the morale officer. And so she decides to do it.

And she begins to eat the blood pie, which that reaction did not look very good when she took that bite. Yeah, she didn't seem like she like. the pie but but he says i think traditions are good yeah and i think family traditions are worth preserving and she says something about you know the rituals my mom taught me don't seem so hateful now that we're here in the delta like being far away yeah sometimes a little distance that that moment resonated for me like a little distance from maybe the things that i was taught as a kid or um you know some of the traditions that i grew up with yeah when i when i have a little

distance from it, things that I rejected when I was younger. But I have a little distance and I kind of go, oh, maybe I see why that was a tradition. Maybe, you know, I kind of softened the thing. So I definitely connected to that idea that as you have some distance, you can appreciate things. And he also touches her hand. There's a moment where he reaches over, Neelix reaches over and kind of touches her, physically touches her. And I thought that was a nice detail because she softens there. And, you know, there's not a lot of scenes with those two together, with just those two. So that to me was sort of like, oh, okay.

I like this because I always like to see every variation of the series regulars together, every single variation, because it just adds a little variety, a little spice to life. And now we see this combination of Nelix and Torres. So next we go to the caves. We jump to the caves. We're obviously on the holodeck. Stage 16. Our classic caves at Planet Hell.

And there's a Bologna's walking in. And there's a cling on there who says, are you ready? Are you willing? Yeah. And he starts going through the list of things that she's going to have to do. She's going to have to eat the heart of a sanctified targ. And so he offers her this piece of food, I guess, which is part of the Targhard. And he says, this is going to bring you courage for the rest of this ceremony.

So she does eat it. And then he hands her a drink, drink the Mokloss. Mok luck. The Moklock. Yes, Moklock, which is to honor Kaelis, who built an empire. And the greatest Klingon warrior ever. The greatest Klingon warrior, Calus. And then he says, so what have you done, Bala?

What have you done to distinguish yourself? And you can see that she's like, she's not feeling good. She can't point to something that she is proud of, that she feels like she's done something to distinguish herself. No. Can I rewind for a second? Yes, sure. On the entrance of Kevin Stillwell's character, the Klingon that comes in to debrief her.

So he says the typical Klingon greeting, which is Kepla, but he doesn't pronounce it like that. He says Kupla. So, and I sat there going, wow. Yes. And I thought, why didn't they catch that? I mean, I'm really shocked that nobody. Like, if I was on set, I would have said, hey, guys, it's Kappa. Kla, not Kupla.

He made it U.S. And then I thought, okay, well, maybe there are variations of how you pronounce things because, you know, in the United States, you have different accents, depending on what part of the country you're from. So maybe on the Klingon home world, he's from a very northern part of the Klingon home world. And they say, Kupla, instead of Kappa. So I don't know, right? But that did kind of. I think that it's just that maybe Hesus and maybe the other people on set were not tracking that. And because there's no writers there, you know, to catch that.

Yeah, but they could have caught in it looping. They could have caught it in looping later, but they didn't do it there. You have a couple of chances to correct, you know, incorrect pronunciations, and it wasn't. And then, so let's see, where did you take it? So she drank the mutlock and then he then says, now here are the rituals. The first one, the ritual of 20 pain sticks. And then combat with a batleth master. And then you must traverse the sulfur lagoons of Gorath.

So there's these three things. And then, of course, she's like, these really scary things. And she's like, nah, you know what? Never mind. I'm out of here. And she tries to leave. And then suddenly he grabs her.

And there's some other Klingons show up. Yeah. It's like, where did they come from? Well, there was one other guy earlier because he hands her the heart of targ. Right? Because, like, first you must eat the heart of targ. And the guy comes off screen from nowhere. She just, she has a quick fight scene and bam, bam, bam.

They're all down. And she beats them all. And she's like, I'm out of here. But she does get hit with the pain sticks a few. times. Yeah, she knows. Because I know Megan was like, wow, she cried, I mean, she yelp, you know, her, her, what am I trying to say? Her sounds that she's making while she's being tortured are quite realistic. They're pretty good. You know, she does it a good job of getting hurt or sounding like she's getting hurt. Suffering. Her sounds of suffering are beautiful. You did. I did. I did do. I suffered well. You did. Yes. And that's why I felt that Kim and Torres could have suffered well together. But it's okay. It's okay. I understand. It's never going to happen after this episode. Not after this episode.

It's not happening. I know. I know. It's so sad. So she leaves the holiday simulation. And of course, we find her later in her quarters. That's when Paris comes in.

And Paris starts cleaning up. He starts like folding her laundry. He's folding a piece of clothing. So I don't know what is going on there. Also, I am not a fan of either Harry or Tom's hair in this episode. I don't know. Something weird is going on with Tom's hair.

in this scene. It didn't look like the normal Tom's hair that I'm used to. I didn't think like Tom's makeup looked the same too. I looked very puffy and like I had, I had like bags under my eyes. It was very strange. Yeah, it was puffier. And then why are you folding her clothing?

I mean, maybe that's a nervous reaction that you have that Tom had. Maybe it was like a tender like, hey, let me take care of you. He comes in trying to, you know, trying to be supportive and helpful. I get the folding. And, you know, picking up stuff. That makes sense.

That makes sense. Because she's kind of made a mess of the place. And he's like, I'll buy that. Trying to calm it, you know, things together. But here's what I didn't like. I start yelling at her. Well, no, she started yelling at you, though. Well, she starts yelling.

But then I start yelling back and I just wish, like, Paris got really easily butt hurt in the scene. I was just like, why is he getting so sensitive? Like, she's the one that's having a bad awful day. He should just lighten up about it. I don't know. I felt like, I felt like, I feel. felt like at the end of that scene, Paris was the jerk because she's having a bad awful day and I don't care if she's being like snappy or whatever. I should have just been cooler

and played it a little cooler. I don't know, man. I mean, you already had to deal with her in engineering. Tom already had to deal with her in engineering. Clearly, they had a dinner date and he had helped her. And it's building. I think it's building. And so, you know, I think your anger or your your voice volume being higher was justified but if you see it as being and it did pull you I wish I could have been a little calmer about it like you would have tweaked a little less yeah a little less taking it personally yeah you could have been firm but not yelling at her right yeah exactly makes sense make sense okay but yeah they they he's like you know what forget it like you're a jerk and you're pissed off and you're being you're being a jerk so forget it and uh so they have a little

fight we go to the ready room again this this alien makeup i thought was amazing really different briefing room now briefing room not the ready room uh briefing room yeah and we see the hands um he's begging for help um neelix sticks up for voyager has a moment where neelix is like you know what these people are very generous and if we gave stuff to everybody like we'd have they'd have nothing and they have to also think of themselves and janeway says thanks neelix but you know what i'm gonna give of these guys stuff. I'm going to give them what they're asking for. Yeah. We kind of have this very this nice moment of Janeway. Yeah. Clearly sacrificing things that are, that are, you know, putting our crew at risk, but she's willing to do it. She's being making a very kind gesture.

Yeah. Now, this is Loomis, right? This isn't, this isn't Rahman. This is Loomis now, I think, in this room. I think it's got to be Loomis still. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Well, no, ramen was the first person we see. And then now Loomis. Yes. Yes. This is, this is, this is. Yeah, I think this is the other character. The other guy. I just, my notes were, look, he's trying to guilt us into giving supplies. And it's like, what the heck? I mean, you guys are as desperate as you are, you should be grateful for anything that

anybody can provide you guys. But no, he didn't care. Not at all. No, he was like, well, looks to me like you guys are living the life of luxury here. Like, this looks pretty fancy compared to us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's when Neeluk sticks up.

It's a nice scene, but I particularly like that Janeway went above and beyond being generous. She didn't have to do that, but she did. We go to the hallway. We see Paris and Seven walking, which I didn't have a lot of scenes with Jerry Ryan. Right. Very rare. I was shocked. I was like, look, they're together.

Very rare that Paris and Seven were together. And this was very early on, which is, it was a weird scene to me, I've got to say. Okay. because he was sort of written a little extra friendly. And I was like, is that because they didn't know if 7, if Bala and Paris were going to be together? And they wanted Paris and 7 to potentially have it. I don't know.

It was a strange. Because he's got these lines like, you know, if you ever need somebody. I wrote it down. I wrote it down. Here's your line. If there's any way, let me do it in your voice. Hold on. If there's any way that I can help you adjust to your life here on Voyager, please ask me.

So that's what you say. And the way you say it is almost flirtatious, you know? And then when you walk away, she gives you an eyebrow raise. Like she just checked you out. And I'm like, what is happening right here? Yeah. She has no idea that Balana and Tom are the shit. But my issues with this scene begin with Tuvok is.

is walking Loomis down the hallway. Randomly down the hall. And he's like, and what about her? What is she? And he's like, oh, well, she's human who used to be bored. You didn't have to tell him that. You didn't have to go there. Especially when you know that the board destroyed their entire existence.

Tuvok. Yeah, Tuvok should have been smarter than that. Duvok just stuck his Vulcan foot in his vulcan mouth. And I was like, what are you doing? It was a little awkward, like, you know, running into them and having Tuvok sort of awkwardly drag him away. I didn't love that scene. And the blocking, he's grabbing his arm and then you grab Seven's arm.

But this is when I noticed, look how big your hand is in relation to her torso, her arm. And I just, I don't recall Jerry Ryan being that slender of a torso. I mean, she's a very slender arm and slender upper torso. It's about the, it's the, it's the masculinity

of these hands. It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, strength and the power of these hands. No, I'm, yeah, I noticed the same thing. I didn't notice my hand sort of grab her arm to whisk her away to safety like I was her personal bodyguard or something. Yes, it just felt like we were setting up something more than friends, which I found

to be awkward, awkward situation, very perplexed, very perplexed by that. Agreed. I'm like, where are you guys going with this? Okay. Yeah, it just was a, it was a weird, especially in this episode of all places. It's like, really? And you know what else didn't track? After you tell her, look, I'm there for whatever you need, you walk away from her.

But the next scene, you're both in engineering. So clearly you're both heading to engineering to kind of do this test on this trans warp conduit. And so then why the heck are you walking ahead of her and leaving her? It did not track whatsoever. Because the next time you see it, everybody, you're in engineering. and we're in engineering in the next scene yes and paris is supposed to be there observing and torus and vork and seven are all and you're right next to seven you're trying to test yeah and we're supposed and and they're testing the trans warp modifications on the on the warp core and janeway is um you know

on on on the com and she's like all right let's get this to warp two we get the we kind of start things going testing this trans warp modification yeah and then um they initiate this test and the tacking matrix starts malfunctioning. It starts leaking into the warp core. Right? Big problem. Yeah. There's a trans warp corridor or something.

We have to open the trans warp corridor. Yeah. And we're trying to achieve speeds faster than normal warp with this work technology. But obviously, it starts to break down. The warp core starts to melt down, basically. There's a tachion leak or something. That's right. And Bala is like, we've got to eject the warp cord.

Well, first she says, we have to evacuate. We have to evacuate engineering, right? She sends everybody out, except, and you, seven's like, no, I can help. She says, no, get out. And then you go, I can help. And she's like, get out. And then you go, no, I outrank you. And I thought, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Paris is lieutenant junior grade. Torres is full lieutenant. How do you outrank her? I don't understand that. So, dun, dun, done, done. I just, did you just figure that out yourself? I just brain faked her out. I don't know.

I don't know what I did. You're right. I don't outrank her. No, not at all. To use Star Wars terminology, you use the Jedi mind trick on that. I just, Jedi mind tricker. Yes, you did. Oh, my Lord.

I did. Yeah, they stay and try to fix it together, but it doesn't work. And they have to run and escape. And as they're running out, Torres is ejecting the warp core, which we've never done on our show. It's very sad that we had to do that. It's very sad. We're ejecting. The warp core, what?

We're basically ejecting the engine of our vehicle. You know, it's like, see ya. Bye-bye. Yeah. Yes. This is the worst day. In fact, she says, this is the worst day of her life. Yep.

Oh, my goodness. Okay, so now we're in the shuttle because Janeway is basically told Paris at Torres to be in a shuttle together to go get that warp core back, you know, go find it. And so now this is, they give each other these sideways glances like, oh, great. Now we've got to spend time together in the shuttle to. together after we've argued. But they arrive at the ejected warp core and they realize, guess what? The Katadi are here and they're trying to tractor beam this warp core for themselves.

So Torres tries to disrupt the tractor beam with a particle beam and it's working. It's working. And they warn the shuttle. They're like, back off. Don't do this. We're going to fire on you. So then they send an antimatter pulse back through our particle beam, which then starts affecting the structural integrity of the shuttle.

Of the shuttle and Paris is like, we got to get out of here. They go to the back. We cut outside for a minute to space. We come back a second later and they're already in their spacesuits. They got in the spacesuits pretty fast. You are quick changers. We are really quick changers. But the distress call doesn't work, right?

So you're like, let's send a distress call to voyage before we beam out. But communications are down, comms are down. And they beam out in their environmental suits. Yep. Gone. They watch the shuttle. explode. And then even in space, when there's a possibility that you may not be rescued, you're still being Tom Paris. When she says, when you, yeah, Taurus says to you, let me access

your controls. And you say, I thought you'd never ask. Yes, ma'am, kind of a thing, right? And just like, do you have to do this? Yes. Like, can't you? Then I write down, you guys do a weird space dance. Like, somehow you guys have to do this rumba in order for you to hand her your forearm to touch the buttons. It was interesting watching this. I thought Hesus did a phenomenal job because, you know, this is back in the 90s and we didn't have an unlimited budget. So to figure out a way to film two people floating in space was a real puzzle.

And they came up with some really simple ways for us to do it. Those suits were really tricky because we had the giant, I do remember those. the hard cases that went over our heads and they have fans in them to keep the glass from fogging up but the fans are noisy inside there so you can't hear each other so you're kind of looking at lips and they did have a little com tech which is like a headphone or whatever built into the to the helmet so that I could hear Roxanne talking because I couldn't hear her right we were two feet apart but I couldn't hear a word she said without the microphone amplification because the fans were going.

Yeah. Can you talk to the fans a little, can you tell the fans a little bit about the setup of those scenes in terms of when you're in the environmental suits? Were you on stage nine? Were you on a rig? Were you on wires? How did that work? We were on rigs.

We never, I don't recall us ever being on wires. Okay. I think we were on sort of teeter totters that sort of had, we could stand on some. thing. Like there was a thing that would raise us up. Okay. And it had a backrest kind of thing so we could get strapped in safely. Okay. Because it would sort of tilt. They could float us around and they could move it a little side to side. And so we'd have to strap our waist into that thing. And then we'd have to lift one leg up. So we'd sort of be standing. Yeah. On this platform. But then we'd only stand on one foot because our waist was, you know, stabilized.

Correct. And we could lift one leg up and sort of stick it out. So it looked like there was one foot sort of floating. Floating a space. And then we'd sort of move our bodies around. So there was that rig. There was a different rig that rotated like a like a turntable. Okay.

Where we floated around. And that was just for above the waist stuff. So that as our body sort of floated around. we'd get those shots. They had a couple different rigs that we had to do. It was very slow, very time-consuming. These helmets were a big pain in the ass, and the noise and the fan noise and hearing dialogue.

It was very, very slow. Yeah, and the times that I've worn that environmental suit, they're just not comfortable. They're painful, actually, to wear. It's just painful because they're so rigid. There's no flexibility whatsoever. They're not really made. custom made for each Voyager actor, you know what I'm saying?

They had a set number of these environmental suits, and it was almost like a one-size-fit-all. They might have had a small, a medium, and a large, you know what I'm saying? And you had to hopefully fit in well to that. But I do want to ask you, when you were on that one rig where your back was sort of connected to that, you know, was supported or stabilized. Yeah. The rig itself was doing all the movement to make the moves. Or maybe the camera tilted. They did have a, they did have the camera on this thing that would sort of tilt.

So right. Okay. So maybe that's what it was. Maybe it didn't. Maybe it just went up and down and then the camera floated side to side. So it made it look like we were, we were floating, you know. And, uh, but she and I were on separate things. So they would sort of, you know, I would float up and she would float down.

Oh, I see. Mm-hmm. You know, we weren't on the same. But then when we were on the turntable, that was one rig we were both on so that we both turned around. Yeah. I think there were two different rigs that we shot on. And I think it was, I feel like it was a green screen background. But in the close-ups, it might have been a solid black.

The Starfield? You know, Starfield. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. It was a combination of a lot of things. I know it was really, it was very tedious and very slow. Right. And we had a lot of pages.

I feel like we were up there for a couple of days. You guys had a lot of dialogue. But the end result looked great. For the 90s, it looked very good. And for the limited budget, I thought they did a good job. I really did. And I thought the way that Hesu sort of framed some of the wide shots that we were just down in the bottom of the corner, it was very unconventional for the time. Yes.

Now I think that would not be, people wouldn't think that was so different or unusual. But that was very unusual to frame things in kind of an unconventional way like that. Agreed. Agreed. Okay. So let's jump forward to Janeway's ready room. This is where Janeway is questioning seven about the accident in engineering. And Seven realizes that Janeway is suspicious of her like many other crew members. She's like, you see me as a threat, don't you? Yeah, she gets it right away. She gets it. Yeah. But, you know, Seven is quite emphatic about the fact that she had nothing to do with this accident. Nothing at all. And she says, by the way, she says there were no lies on the board cube. There were no seat. No deceit. Yeah. No deceit. I don't. I mean. understand this. Like, I'm not capable of this. Correct. Correct. And so, you know, then you, then you start thinking, wow. So as bad as the Borg are, as much as you want to stay away from the Borg, they do have some redeeming quality. Some redeeming qualities. And Seven also says to

Janeway in the scene, she starts to say, you know, even though I think, you know, I've observed your crew is inefficient and they're contentious. They're still capable of these surprising acts of compassion. Yes. Yes. And she doesn't, she's kind of, amazed by that. Janeway is really pleased that Seven is noticing humanity, that she's starting to recognize humanity. Yes, well, she's amazed by one, because of one thing. Her entire life as a Borg has always been take, take, take.

Simulation is taking somebody, right? And not about give, and because compassion or kindness is giving of yourself to somebody else. So that's what's so shocking to this Borg now human, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we have this scene where she's like, I did not do this. And basically they leave the scene with Jamie going, we still got to find out who caused this attack youngly.

Right. Yeah. We go back to space. And Paris and Bologna are having a really nice conversation. Like there's nothing else for them to do. They're stuck. It's small talk right now about the account. Academy, space simulation, space walks, right?

And that's when that ion turbulence hits them, which then compromises Tom's space suit. And he starts, yes, and then Torres's losing oxygen, Torres then gives her oxygen to share with Tom. And then she realizes her suit is damaged as well. Typically, each environmental suit should have 24 hours of oxygen, but only half hour is left. And this really reminded me of the episode where Tom and Harry had the suits on and we're lacking oxygen. This happens later. Of course, we haven't reviewed that episode yet, but it was very similar to that. Yeah.

So we go out of that scene with Bala and Tom losing oxygen, and there's a ticking clock now. Again, I thought this stuff in the space suits, the way it was covered by Hesuits, was wonderful. Marvin lit it beautifully photographed a great. I thought it was very cinematic. It was super cool. I love some of the reflections in the, you'd see even in glass, the reflections of each other. Yeah, yeah.

It was super cool. We go back to the ready room. Seven has found the cause. There were these fluctuations in the war power. And basically it was an accident. Seven can prove that there was no, that Seven didn't do it, that there's no bad guy here, that it was just purely,

an accident. It's an accident. And then Chucote comes in and said they picked up this carrier wave with the Starfleet signature and they think it's Tom and Balana but they aren't getting a response.

So we know Tom and Balana running out of oxygen. Now they've picked up on their carrier wave and we go back onto the bridge and there's an armada of Katadi ships at this point. There are 27 ships. Yeah, which is probably all that's left

of the Katadi, right? All that's left. Everyone's together. They're pretty desperate, and they're trying to blackmail us, basically. They've got the warp core that we had to eject. Yeah. And they're saying, give us food and weapons and your entire supply of thorium and give us that borg. Give us that seven of nine.

And that's the only way. Otherwise, we have 27 ships. And even though we're weak, we're going to fight you. Yeah. So, yeah, so we go back to space. And now Tom and Boulon are really running out of oxygen. And Bologna says something about, you know, I can't believe the day of honor is the day that I'll die. Yeah, which then reminded me of the pilot episode where Harry goes, I can't believe this is my first mission and I'm going to die.

Like so, I was like, look at that. So many similarities between Kim and Torres. So Paris is low, Paris is lowering the eye. I know, I know, it's over. I can't take it. I don't want to take this. Oh, I can't take this standing. Okay.

So Paris lowers the oxygen ratio. This is to give them more minutes, right? A few more minutes. And I love that the description that Torres gave, of what her first impression. She used to think that he was an arrogant, self-absorbed pig. What's the acronym for that? ASP. No, ASAP.

Like as soon as possible. ASAP. And she said, now I just think you're a stubborn domineering pig. An SDP. I like it. ASAP. She also says, you know, and then she catches herself. She says, there I go again.

I'm pushing people. people away. Yeah. She acknowledges that you're right. She acknowledges that Paris was right. Pushes it away. Yeah. Yeah. And she's starting to get very authentic here. It's a really nice scene. Well, you're authentic too because you actually stick up for her. You're sitting here saying Paris, you say, you know, well, this is your way of not getting hurt. You know, this is your defense mechanism. Yeah. And she's just, but she totally opens up. And she never see this authenticity from Torres before this, right? And it's super tender because he kind of, he tells her, yeah quiet down like quiet down stop saying stop beating yourself up right he goes in and we finish

with him with him just kind of going and hugging her embracing her in the spacesuit it's a beautiful image and very tender and i i love it it's it's awesome yeah and her line what a coward i am it's just you know to be able to be so you know she's very introspective and vulnerable it's very much self-critical is it's the day of honor it's what you're supposed to do you're right on your Look back on your life and say, hey, how can I be better? Where have I not, you know, risen to the standards that I want for myself, the truth of who I want to be? She's actually doing the day of honor right now.

She's doing it. Yeah. Yeah, we go to the bridge. Chikote is like, let's fight these guys. Let's fight them. But you just forgot the most important thing. Harry Kim has a line. Okay.

This is where Harry Kim has a line. Finally. Harry's been kind of quiet this episode. Yeah. And I don't understand. Do you think Harry was trying to say, look, I don't like seven either. Let's give him seven because he says, he says, maybe we need to give them something. And it's just like so kind of like, what's, you know, I don't know what my point of view was when I was there. Yeah. I feel like I had so few lines that I didn't do enough research into the before and the after and really getting into this script, you know? So I kind of just went, blah, blah, blah. I just said it. And it didn't really come off with any type of intention. Yeah, I don't know that that was necessary that you had to do any more work. I mean, I feel like he was kind of saying, yeah, we got to figure something out. We've got to give them something.

Yeah. And, you know, maybe there's something besides. I didn't think it was give them seven. I thought it was something else. Like, what we come up with? Because then seven offers to go. Right. She volunteers herself.

Yeah. And this is an important moment because Janeway says, no, you're part of this crew now. Yeah. We're not, you know, you're just like us. Yeah. which I think is significant that Janeway says that. So she prepares the fight, but that's when Seven suggested. Well, hold on.

This might not be necessary. I can design an energy matrix that can produce thorium in large quantities because as a Borg, I have the memory that this race needs thorium to power everything. And because they were assimilated, the people that have the knowledge to create thorium are now assimilated. They're gone. But she remembers everything. But she's got it because she was part of the collective. That's right.

And that's when Janeway is like, well, why didn't you say this before? Seven kind of very innocently says, I've never thought of giving things away. I've never thought of helping other people. The Borg don't ever think of giving technology away, only assimilating. It's kind of what you said before. Right, right. So this is one of those moments where we kind of realize that Seven is growing and changing. Well, she's reverting to her true human self, which is having an unexpected act of kindness, which is what Janeway talks about.

the strength of this crew and of the humanity of this crew, right? Yeah. So we have a moment with the Qatadi leader where Seven is showing him the thorium generator. Are we in the science station? I think we're in the science station. I think we're in the science station or engineering. It was hard to tell from that shot. Yeah.

But he says, thank you. And he lets them go. He says, we're not going to, basically, we're not going to fight you. Yeah. We're not going to go to war. Thank you. Seven says you're welcome to him, right? Yeah, she says you're welcome.

Yeah. And Janeway is very pleased. after seven walks out. Janeway realizes, huh, it's happening. She's had a human experience of compassion. Yes.

And generosity and giving, not just taking. So that's great. Yeah. We go back out to space and they are Tom and Belon are hugging, floating in space, running out of oxygen. What Torres wakes Paris up?

And Paris says, I was having a dream. So Megan asked me to ask you, what was your dream? I was dreaming about the cookies at crap service, the peanut butter cookies at crap there. That's what, love those peanut butter cookies that's what robbie duncan mcneal was dreaming about but what was

tom paris dreaming about tom paris was dreaming about how much he loved bala um problem but i was dreaming about the peanut butter cookies i think you were dreaming about those do you remember those peanut butter cookies of course oh my god i remember all the snacks at craft services those those snacks really were the death of us we'll talk about this later when we all gained weight but the craft services and cookies were too good to not good peanut butter cookies they really did all i remember they really really that's probably what i was dreaming no i think you were dreaming about naked boleans what was that crazy line you had in that one episode where uh cuska comes back you talk about i thought you know it's not like you were you were you were uh because you were at you were telling her about she was she was she had

kind of stood you up right to a dinner date or something else and and and and you were like well i was I was thinking, was she saying the naked boleon line or was it you who said that? It was very, very funny. So maybe it was a naked boleon. Maybe it was a naked bollian. Possibly. Possibly. Yeah, we're running out of oxygen.

She wakes me up and she says she's got something to say to me. And she says, I've been a coward about everything, everything that really matters. And I have to tell you the truth. And also that she would die without honor and that now that really bothers her. You know, before she didn't really care about this cultural significance, traditions of being half Klingon, but now it means something. But then what is the truth that she has to tell you? She says, I love you.

And what do you say in return? Nothing. Okay. Why don't I say anything? I don't know what you were doing. I was angry at you or your character. Like, what are you doing, dude? And then she even says she's queuing you.

Don't you have something to say? She goes, say something. Why didn't I see it back? I just go in and hug her. I think I was dying. No, your line was this. She goes, say, she goes, I love you. And she goes, you say nothing.

And she says, say something. And you say, you picked a great time to tell me. That's all you say. And I was like. But then you picked a great time to tell me. I'm looking at her. And then I sort of fall. We both sort of fall asleep.

We embrace and we die. We're basically, you're out of oxygen. Oxygen's gone. Yeah. And all of a sudden, we get a call, Tom. Tom. Yeah, it's Captain, it's Janeway, Janeway to Tom, something. And then she says,

right, but she says prepare to beam aboard, at which point Megan says to me, prepare as if they're busy doing something. Like, what do they need to be in to prepare? They're ready, yeah. Yeah, what else are we going to do? Yeah, what else are you going to do right now? I can't believe I didn't say it back.

Yeah, I was shocked. I was shocked. Did you recall that you did say that? No. I thought we both did. Yeah, I did too, to be perfectly honest. I thought. this was the moment of her saying, I love you, and you say, I love you back. And now we're a

couple. But you totally just kind of ghost her on that one. You're just like, I kind of do. I kind of do. Mom's the word. Did you have a theme for this episode? Yeah. I think, you know, well, the Day of Honor theme, number one, I think, I think that's something that everybody can take time to do is just reassess their life, you know, in the last week. That's exactly what I did. of your life, right? In the last week, the last month, the last year, pick your time frame and just see, is this something that you're proud of? Are you happy with all the choices that

you've made, right? My other theme is that everybody will have a worst day ever. Everybody will have something where, when it rains, it pours, where you just can't understand. One thing after the other happens, that is negative, right? But because of that, the fact that everyone does have that. You have to persevere and you have to get past that and realize that this isn't somebody trying to, you know, out to get you or this is the universe or God hating you or whatever you want to believe in. It's truly that sometimes it just happens that way, right? And you got to roll with the, roll with the flow. Bad days are part of life. Like suffering, everybody suffers in some way. You got to take the bad with the good. Okay. So that's the other theme. And then I think

I guess that's my main two themes. I had a third theme. Maybe when you're talking about elaborating your theme, I'll come. My theme is very similar. It's kind of a day of honor theme as well. I wrote down, don't be afraid of an honest look at your choices and be brave enough to do things differently in the future.

And that's the thing. I mean, it's a day of honor lesson. It's like, look at yourself and what you've done in the past and be willing to try something different. be brave and and and um you know balana was brave yeah i mean you know took getting close to death for her to be brave enough to to be vulnerable and share her feelings and and uh take a look at at all of that but um yeah i think that's for me that was that was that day of honor sort of lesson of looking at your life and and being willing to make different decisions in the future

Oh, my other third theme is don't be afraid to fall in love. Yeah. You know, don't push people away to the point. Like she's pushing you away, pushing you away. And, you know, people always say it's better to have love and lost than to have never loved it all, right? Yeah. Then I do agree with that. You have to take that chance.

If it's in front of you, why not? The main reason people push people away is because it's a defense mechanism. They're afraid of the rejection that may happen. They're afraid that this relationship might go south, right? Well, that's part of life. Yeah. Maybe it will go south. Maybe it won't.

But you'll never know if you don't give it a chance. Right. So give love a chance is my other theme for this one. I like it. Yeah. I like it. All right. Okay.

What's next week? Next week I had written it down and now I've completely forgot it. Okay, here it is. Next week, our episode will be Nemesis. Nemesis is our next episode. Okay. I thought this episode, Day of Honor, was really, really good. Good.

This was fun to watch. Give me a 1 to 10 rating. I would give this a 7.5. Nice. Probably. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I would give this a 7.5. Yeah. I'm going to give it a 7. I'll go a little bit lower than you. That's mainly because I only had two lines. Thank you so much for tuning in. And we'll see you next week when Robbie and I talk about Nemesis. See you next week.

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