The Delta Flyers - Destiny

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Destiny, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell.Destiny: Sisko is excited about working with two Cardassian scientists who are assigned to help deploy a subspace relay in the Gamma Quadrant. We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, & Sean T.Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Danie Crofoot, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, Hailey L., Cindy Woodford, & Mariette KarrAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Klee Wiggins, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Karen Galleski, Jeremy Conoley-Mayes, Jan Hanford, Loretta Reyes, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Helen Brownrigg, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Robby Hill, Andrea Wilson, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Oscar Fernandez, Shawn Battershall, & Natalie SwainThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. For the complete and exciting version of this podcast, check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. I felt like being that... Don Pardo?

Yeah, Don Pardo. Good job. Welcome. You don Pardoed it. You did. Thank you. And for those millennials that don't know who Don Pardo is, he was a TV announcer back in the day. Well, not just one of the most famous TV announcers ever.

Yeah, with that voice, everyone knew who Dompardo was back then, not now. Back in the day. Back in the middle of the middle of them. Back then. Back and then. Yeah, I've heard. I don't know myself who he is because I'm so young. But yes, I've heard he's a famous person.

Who was the guy who always had his hand on his ear? Dumpardo. Was that him? I think it wasn't that Don Pardo. I think that was that guy. I've heard, again, I'm far too young to know. You're an infant. I have no idea who you're talking.

about. Oh my gosh. People, people, people. How is everybody? Good. Chilly. It's getting a little nippy. Although it's like 55 degrees today, well, it will be this afternoon. But mighty chili in the morning. Springs right around the corner. What are you doing for Easter? What are we doing for Easter? I don't know. You have I don't know. Do I? I did when I grew with a child. Oh, like what? Just curious.

Oh, I used to hide eggs and eggs with money in them and toys and stuff like that for Max. I leave a little trail of the candy from where he woke up all around. Look at you. I know. God, you're the coolest mom of all. You are. You did really cool things. What was your favorite holiday growing up?

Was it Christmas? I feel like that's kind of an unfair holiday to all the other holidays. For everything, yeah. How about Day, Halloween? Halloween? When I was a kid, yeah, the dress-up part. Yeah. Yeah, Halloween's pretty cool.

Not the trick-or-treat part. Well, trick-or-treat part when I was little because you were so excited to get the candy. But mostly about the dressing up. Yeah. What was your favorite costume? Can you remember? Vampire. Vampire.

Yeah, my mom let me wear one of her long. wigs one year, and I think I had like a long nightgown of hers. But then we had to wear coats because it was always cold. Freezing, yeah. Yeah, it was hot the week before, freezing the week of, and it was just like, no, I don't want to cover my costume. That's so funny. Did you put the fake blood on the side, Terry? Just out of your mouth? Yes. Yes. But you know what? What was that? Barnabas Collins. What was that? Oh, yeah. What was that show? It was the nighttime soap opera with vampires. Yeah, and they showed it during the day.

Yeah, it was in the afternoon. Oh, gosh. Why can't I think of the name of it? And they even did a movie with Johnny Depp. But that was like... Dark shadows. Dark shadows! I love dark shadows when I was a kid.

I mean, I've heard that it was called Dark Shadows. Yeah. Dracula was my first novel, AfterSort. in the stone. Yeah. Yeah, I was 11. Do you guys remember at Halloween, my favorite part of Halloween back in my day, you'd go to the store like Kmart or something, you know, and they'd have all the Halloween costumes

and they were in boxes with a plastic mask that you could see through the plastic, you know, sheet. Yeah. And you'd look at all the plastic masks. And it was like this horrible nylon jumpsuit that you'd put on of Superman or Spider-Man or whatever. And then you put the plastic mask with the elastic over your head. And you couldn't really see out of the little slits in the whole, you know, the eyes. It never quite fit right. And you bump into things. Yeah. The box of costume. And then it became too expensive. And then it was

it was just, no, we're inventing costumes. Exactly. It was like, oh, my friends have those ones from the store. Exactly. Exactly. Those were fun. It seemed like such a. I bought a ton of those for Max. You did? Would they still make those? It was just fun to dress up. Well, he's just turned 21, so I haven't bought a costume for a child for a really... Did you buy one for him this last Halloween?

No, my God. No. Ew, that would be weird. Son, I have a costume for you. Oh, my God. I don't... Oh, God, could you imagine? I could not be that mom, although I'm sure he would tease me that I am, but I did not

do that this year. Oh, my gosh. Very funny. He's bonding with his dad, boxing, Pilates. Oh, good. Rock climbing. Oh, I'm so happy. It's all, it's wonderful.

Reminds me of stuff I did with my dad. I love that they have that bond right now. It's just the best. Yeah. I love it. Great. That's great news. Congratulations on that.

Thank you. Good to have good bonds with family and. It is. Yeah. It is. All right. Well, speaking of bonds with family. Yes, non-sequitur. We have a birthday to talk about. We do. We do. Yeah, so let's, let's jump right into this and say,

happy, happy birthday to Matt Edmonds on February 26th. Happy birthday, Matt. Happy birthday, Matt. Happy birthday, Matt. And now we're going to jump into our synopsis, our poetry synopsis. Yes. Go ahead. Oh, my. Yes, I'll start with my limerick. Thank you. My limerick for, what is the name of this episode? It's called Destiny.

Destiny. Took me a second. I remember. Destiny. Okay. Little limerick for destiny. Here we go. A relay station could be a new peace treaty benchmark,

but Cardassian scientists really don't like the patriarch. Cisco and Kira can't agree about the meaning of the prophecy. But just remember, don't take free drinks from Quark. That was cute. You know what I like the most about that limerick, Robbie? Yes. That one first verse, you said, a relay station could be a new peace treaty benchmark.

Putting those four words at the end together was genius. New peace treaty benchmark. I love it. Yes. And I got the patriarch in there. Yeah, yeah. You did. Stuck patriarch in as well.

I like that. I've not rhymed. I've not rhymed patriarch in any limerick so far. No. I was going to say. But the Cardassian scientists prefer the matriarch or something like that, but it didn't, it didn't sound as good. But then you also could have pronounced quark the way that Bashir says, quark, which would then rhyme with Patriarch a little closer, right? Quack. Your mind is a powerful conductor.

Trust your knowledge. Let the rest fall asunder. Restless minds live in fear. Calm your mind or shed a tear. Oh, nice. Oh, calm your mind. I like that. I do. Yeah, that was beautiful, too. I couldn't think of anything else to rhyme with fear other than tear or so.

Right. It works. I Google rhyming dictionaries to get my limerick stones. So, yeah. I could do this morning. I had a migraine and I was like, we're going to power through this. You did it all by yourself. I did it all by myself.

Yes. Okay, so now it's time for the hike. And it was obvious, I did it all by myself. No, it was great. And now for my haiku for destiny, Treycour's Prophecy, mission, set up calm relay. O'Brien, hit on.

Okay. Yes, he was. He was hit on. Oh, good Lord. I don't know that I've ever seen that story about Cardassian women or females that, like, that was interesting to me. I liked the fact that the scientists, I love the flip when she, when she says something to my, I was like, well, you know, males just don't have a head for sciences or something.

We didn't know anything about that. We did not learn that before. No. That was cool. That STEM jobs in Cardassia are predominantly women. I mean, that is amazing, a little bit of a bit of culture. Yeah, a whole new kind of side of the Cardassians that I didn't know about. So that was fun.

Yeah, I did like that. Let's talk about the writers. Yes, the people involved. The writers, David S. Cohen or David Steve Cohen and Martin A. Winer are the two. Evidently, these two wrote a spec script and kind of got an attention, the attention of the writing staff. Was this the spec or did they write another's back? No, it was a totally different one. Oh, really?

Or they pitched a totally different one. I've got to get my facts straight, but either they wrote a spec script that was completely different. or they pitched something that was completely different. Yeah. But the bottom line, it was completely different. I just love that, like, everybody should know listening to this, that this outside writer pitches, outside writer specs and stuff. Yeah. That is very old school television that Gene Roddenberry was a part of and kept going through, you know, the TNG days and then into these shows.

Because they don't do that anymore. There's no pitching. There's no outside. Outside the writers, no, never. Wow. You're already part of the Writers Guild, or you're not even in the game, pretty much, right? Yeah, they hire the staff. Wow.

Yeah, they hire a staff, and the stories only come from staff, and there's no outside pitches that I'm aware of on any show, and I've never seen it. So that's not a way to climb the ladder anymore? No, you can get that kind of break anymore. In fact, I think the Writers Guild changed after the strike. They changed the rules. where you have to be on staff to write a script on the show. They can't have anyone that is not hired on some level of staff position because I wrote

on an alien a few years ago and I'm not on staff, but now I can't write because I'm not on the writing staff. So I can't write on the show now because the rules are changed. Yeah. Oh, very restrictive rules. My goodness. Yeah, they're trying to protect the writers that have, you know, a job. they want to give them the scripts and the residuals

and all the things that come with it and not outside people. And so... Okay. I get it. Yeah. We have Uncle Les Landau. Oh, I didn't even catch that in watching it.

You didn't? No, but that makes so much sense now. Yeah. Original air date of this episode, February 13th, 1995, which is less than a month after Voyager premiered, January 16th, 1995. This episode came out. We have Tracy Skagans as Galora.

We have Wendy Robey as Ulani, Eric Ivarie as Vedic Yarka, and Jessica Hendra as Dejar. Tracy Skaggins, very interesting. Tracy Skagins is no stranger to science fiction in that she played a captain on Babylon 5 in the final season. But that was after this. So she did a feature film called Alien Intruder in 1993, but she didn't play an alien. I think she played human in that one. And then after that, she ended up on a TV, a sci-fi, TV movie called Galaxy Beat in 1994.

Galaxy Beat. Galaxy Beat. But this is the crazy thing. Sounds like such an early 90s show. It really does. So it's like right after Baywash, new episodes of Galaxy Beat. The Galaxy Beat was a sci-fi TV movie. I went down the rabbit hole, did a little bit more research.

And guess who happened to be the director of Galaxy Beat, this TV movie? Les Lando. Yes. No. So I feel you picked it exactly. Wow. So Uncle Les directed this TV movie. I feel his connection with her must have predicated.

Yes. And it's interesting, of the four main guest stars of this episode, three of the four are born within the same, practically the same year. So, and that is 1953. Wendy Roby also born in 1953, believe it or not, happened to be doing theater in Seattle. and auditioned for David Lynch's TV series, Twin Peaks. He cast her in that, and she did 22 episodes of the show.

So that's a pretty good recurring role for someone who's just randomly doing theater in Seattle and got a random audition for David Lynch's TV series, which is pretty cool, I think. That's very cool. Also pretty cool. I think she's excellent. Yes, she did a great job. And Robbie, she was working pretty much. At the same time, we were working on Voyager because she was on Vampire in Brooklyn.

She had a role on that feature film, which was Eddie Murphy's vampire movie. Oh, yeah. And that was filming. Do you remember this? Like, his trailer was right down. Vaguely, yes, yes. So you might remember this, Terry. If you look out of your main stage and you look left.

So for us, stage eight and nine, we would look right. And if you look down to the end, there was this massive trailer that was there. That was Eddie Murphy's trailer. And it opened up four sections. and it opened up two sections horizontally as well. He had a S, he had a suburban that was parked right by there. There was a red carpet with two heat lamps and a red velvet, like a nightclub, like a rope. Two security guards standing in front and six more security guys in the suburban just sitting there in case.

And this is on the Paramount lot. It's like, you don't need that much security, Eddie Murphy. You know, you don't. You'll be okay. But do you remember when Tom Cruise? Was I on vacation that week? What that had? I remember that Eddie Murphy set up.

It was there for a couple of weeks, at least. Yes. You remember when Tom Cruise made Mission Impossible or something on the lot, and his trailer was out by the tank, and they put up a fence. Around the trailer? Yeah, that you couldn't even see outside of the trailer. It was a big, they built a whole compound around his trailer by the parking lot. Yeah, do you remember that, Terry?

No, but, yeah, I mean, I just kind of remember there always being a lot of things happening, you know, it seems, it's weird to go visit the lot now and have it be virtually empty. Because when we were working on the lot, it was the camp, jam-packed, full. The cone heads, the Adams family, yeah, shooting videos. Robin Williams. Yeah, oh. So many big feature films and TV shows, lots of comedies on the west side of the lot.

It was like so full of actors from all. It was just like an entertainment movie. The talk shows. They were talk shows going on. You could have shot our, just our street how we were across. And at lunchtime to see all kinds of aliens and. Oh, yeah. I love that when we went into the commissary.

I'd go to the commissary sometimes for lunch, grab some food. And you'd see all the background people in their makeups and stuff. It was great, you know, in line with their little. So great. Yeah. That's one thing that Tracy Skagans enjoyed doing. She enjoyed walking around the Paramount lot in full makeup just to shock people that were visiting or, you know, any tours that happened to be around there. That was her thing.

She loved doing that. Did you notice these Cardassian scientists? They all had very complex hairdos. Very elaborate. Very different. Yeah. Very different. And each of them.

Is it just me? Wigs. Do you notice how they have the blue? Yeah, I like the blue on them. Did the other women that we've seen so far also have blue coloring on their face? I don't recall that. I don't remember. You know what?

This struck me as well. Mark Barr and all those people from prior episodes. This seemed much more vibrant than I ever remember, yeah, 100%. But also wouldn't be cool if the blue coloring or, well, no, actually, the obsidian order gal also had blue coloring too. So they got a little bit more in depth. I was thinking maybe the blue coloring meant. Or no, just cooler and not as...

More evolved. Yeah, more... They're enlightened. They've turned blue. I don't know. Oh. Okay. Next up, Eric Avarie, the lovely Eric Avarie.

We know him from... Oh, my gosh. Eric Avarie has done so many things. And in the sci-fi world, of course, Stargate S-G-1, the movie. And he also reprised his same role in Stargate S-G-1, the TV show, which is very rare. Very rare. Am I right? Last but not least.

Dejaar. little spy, Dajar, as played by Jessica Hendra. And Jessica Hendra, interesting enough, did write a book, a sort of an autobiography called How to Cook Your Daughter or something along those lines. Whoa. Yeah. Just to give you guys a little bit of perspective, her father is Tony Hendra. Tony Hendra played the manager in Spinal Tap, the movie, the manager of the band. Okay.

Yeah. So Tony Hendra is the father of Jessica Hendra. Not okay. I know. Just okay. Yeah. Well, evidently, she claims. that she was abused by him. And so this book is all about this. Oh. That's how to cook your daughter. Yeah.

It's very sad. Oh, that's sad. Not her daughter. She was the daughter. She got cooked. She got cooked by her own dad, basically. Oh, that's awesome. It's horrible.

Of course, he refuted everything. He said, I didn't do any of this, but that is her claim. And that's her book, which I think was supposed to be made into a movie as well. I don't know if it ended up being shelved. Oh. That was a shame. It is a shame. It is a shame.

It's terrible. Everybody's got, like, so much more. Why would she write a book like that if it wasn't true? That's just insane. Am I right? You would invite that into their life and say, hey, I'm going to make this up. Exactly. Like Anthony Rap, no, people don't just, no, he didn't just know.

No. It does go to show, like, you know, Darja. Was that the character, Darja? Dajar. Dejard. Yeah. Yeah. You know, not a big character in this.

We could have easily kind of gone through. talking about the character and, you know, the nice little comments about her performance and not known anything. But everybody's got a life. I mean, that's what I'm taking away from this. It's like, God, everybody's got a big life. All of the actors that we watch in these shows, they've all got, you know, such a bigger story than just these guest star moments or whatever.

Even us, we all have our own lives. We most definitely do. Okay, Robbie, you want to jump right into this first scene? Let's jump right in. Yes, the first shot is out in space with the captain's log. I do want to say in this space shot for the first time, I'm looking at the top of the space station. It looked like a direct TV dish or two sitting on top as we circled around. I was like, did they have direct TV, satellite TV on this station?

Maybe. Maybe they did. You did on the, yeah. In real life, we did. Did you have that direct TV in your trailer? You did? No, no, but I did at home. And that was at the time when if you wrote a letter, because because of our jobs and how early I had to, I wrote a letter to direct TV making it so I could get the East Coast feeds of everything.

Oh, wow. And it worked? You got it? It totally worked, yeah. But, you know, think about it. I had to get up at 4 in the morning to go to work. And I had to go to bed at like 7 or 8. The morning show.

Yeah. I love that. I wanted to watch the Sopranos, more importantly. Did you write that letter? And I would watch the East Coast feed. Then I would watch the West Coast feed. That's so funny. That is amazing that you did that.

There were direct TV dishes on the station. In the opening shot? I rewound it and I'm like, there's a round it looked like, and I'd never seen that before. Okay. There's a station behind you in your screenshot, okay? And where was the direct TVs exactly? In the center.

Yeah, right in that center. In the main center hub. Right on top. Wow. I do kind of remember thinking what is that, but I didn't. It's satellite TV. It was like I'm still watching. And it's something that hasn't been on the station until now.

Maybe the angle of this shot, the way the shadows were hitting, but I was like. Could it have something to do with what the Kardashians were doing? Oh, interesting. Maybe it was part of their communications. Maybe they were like bigger, yeah, communication arrays, dishes. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I didn't think about that. This was something. Maybe it was new because of the story.

Well, it's my job to think of that because I was the science officer. Yes. Exactly. Okay. Well, you saved it. So there's a station log. Cisco does tell us as we look at these direct TV dishes. He says, a team of Cardassian scientists are coming to the station to assist us in deploying a subspace relay in the gamma quadrant. If it's successful, it'll allow communication through the wormhole for the very first time. So this is a big deal. They want to be able to talk from one side to the other.

Previously, you've had to fly through the wormhole and then talk to the people in the gamecloth. And you know what? I didn't realize that watching this episode. I didn't never think about it. Yeah. I didn't think about it either. Yeah. That's like when I.

Is that not good that I didn't think of that? Well, there's a lot of detail in these shows and a lot of science you got to think about it. When I want to get a message to Garrett, I usually. fly to Vegas and tell him back. I'm still doing that. I don't know how else to do it. Is there some other way? Yeah. Well, I don't have to think of it. FaceTime. There's Face what? Okay. So

out of that, out of that captain's log, we come into some guest quarters. Odo is showing Cisco the quarters that he's gotten ready for one of the Cardassian scientists. I love that Avery adjusts the painting on the wall. That little detail to me was It's just very, it shows that he's, you know, paying attention to every detail. He wants this to go perfect. So that little bit of business to me was really a great detail. I loved it.

Yeah. And even him just having a scene where he comes in to make sure it's all right, says something, that it's not just somebody else checking it out for him. He does not want anything to go wrong. Yeah. Especially because, of course, it used to be terrible. or ignore. So this is a whole hotbed of possibilities that might go wrong. We could go wrong. Well, Odo says he's arranged security measures, you know, for the, for the replicators, I think. And Cisco's like, you know what? Don't, don't get too, you know,

paranoid here because I want this to, I want them to feel welcome. They're not the enemy. We want them to, you know, try to make the Bajorans and the Kardashians a little less paranoid of each other. So, um, that was nice. And then Dax comes in. She's been studying, of course. Of course. She's got science to think about. She's, she, Dax comes in and says, oh my gosh.

Commander, I just realized we can't talk to the gamma quadrant unless we have this thing. That would be funny. Um, yeah, she comes in, uh, she's been studying these, uh, relay plans from the Kardashians. She's, she says it looks good, but she's not sure if it's going to work. So she's a little skeptical. Yeah. Quark comes in. He's got two bottles of Canar.

He wants to get ready for more Cardassians to come. He wants this to be a success so he can have more business. I think he wants to expand. He even talks about there's room next door. I want to rent that out for Cardassian games or something. He talks about, I think Dax actually brings it up. She says, what's the 35th rule or 34th rule? It's easy to get them confused.

Yes, because one of the rules is peace is good for profit and the one right after that is war is good for profit so either way they're going to profit we find out this canar is poisonous basically yeah i was worried i was worried about you terry because you you opened it up you smelled it i was like don't don't don't and then you taste it a little i thought you might get poisoned but you didn't oh well you know dax has a history of understanding a lot of different cultures because of all her lifetimes right so i think she also in particular likes to try things that are new and different and she's probably had it before yes and just wanted well he has so much of this what if it's wonderful so she wanted to have a

little taste to see yeah i mean that i know if i want to buy a bottle or not but i save him because it was bad but you didn't save mourn because he gives it even if all of this happens off camera it's one of my favorite things that he gives mourn the spoiled canar Give them food poisoning. One of my favorite things in the episode. It is funny. It's kind of details. I also find it interesting that that extra area that Cork wanted to rent out, he wanted to have volfights there.

Vols are those little creatures we found inside of the. Cardassian voles. Cardassian voles. What would you call them? They're rats. They're rats. They're really scary looking at bats. They look way different than our idea of a vol.

They look way more like a rat. Yeah. Our voles are teeny. Are they? Foles are cute. Our voles are cute. They're very cute. They're like mice.

Cardassian vultures. Terrifying. Terrifying. Wait, they want to have bull fights? I found a nest of bowls in my garden one year. And I found the nest. The mom jumps out. And I went running after the mom.

And I caught her and put her back inside my, what are it called? Were you, oh my gosh. Compost. Yeah. Yes. They'd spent all winter in my compost. Oh, you put her back in the compost? Well, yeah, because I had mixed it, right?

And then I found them and I hurt the nest. So then I caught her, brought her back, and covered it back up again. How big are they? Like the size of a gerbils? Oh, they're small, like little mice. In your hand. In your hand. Yeah, they're tiny.

Cute. Yeah. I couldn't believe I caught it. Good thing she's blind. You didn't have volfites, did you? No. No, I did not. Okay, good.

We go on the commander's office next. Kira's bringing Vedic Yarka we meet. Oh, Medi Yarka. Yarka's got a warning from the prophets. Bringing these Kardashians on board is going to bring destruction. Downer dude. Downer dude, right? Yeah, he's...

Super downer dude. He's got bad news and we go to a commercial break there off of that really bad news. We come back in and he basically quotes this obscure ancient text. Even Kira has not read this part. She's like, I don't know that part. The quote was something like this. When the river wakes stirred once more to Jeneer's side, three vipers will return to their nest in the sky.

And then he continues. Treycourt says, When the vipers try to peer through the temple gates, the sword of stars will appear in the heavens, and the temple will burn and the gates will be cast open. Yes. So that's basically the text. Yes.

And he's interpreted this, that this is going to be a disaster because the Cardassians, in his interpretation, are the three vipers. Cisco says, does the assembly know about this? He says, yes, they know, but they have chosen to ignore it. And Cisco says, well, there's only two Cardassians coming, so it can't be the three vipers. Right. But Yarka insists here, he goes, oh, you'll see. There will be three. Right.

Do you guys remember earlier when I talked about the story was totally different? So it was not a spec script. It was pitched by David S. Cohen and Martin Weiner as a second season episode. So the producers purchased the idea. They assigned Cohen and Weiner to write the teleplay, which is another huge thing they would not. You know, that's big. But it never made it into production because it focused on a prophecy of happiness and joy. So it wasn't a doom and gloom thing.

It was the opposite of that. And so they felt that it wasn't really working. So the original story idea revolved around Starfleet trying to relieve Cisco of his post, saying that he was too much into, the alien race believed him to be the emissary. They didn't like that aspect of it. And they want to send somebody from Starfleet to sort of get him out of there, sort of a heart of darkness storyline. And what ended up happening was it was, I think, Ron Moore, who joked,

you know what, this should be a prophecy of doom as a joke. And then everyone went, oh, yeah, it should be. And that's how it flipped over to this. Oh, interesting. Yeah, the way it is now. Interesting. Yeah. Doom and Gloom is much better for drama.

Yes. Yeah. For sure. People getting along. People getting along and being nice is not good for drama. So we need some conflicts and some drama on this podcast. Yeah, before we can have resolution and get back to being kind. Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly. This Yarka guy, does he live on the station? Or did he come all the way here? He came. He came all the way live. With his followers, I might add. They're with him.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. He has an entourage. It does. Some people need an entourage. Some people do. Yep.

I do. I need an entourage all the time. Wait, what's your dog's name again? Walter. Walter. So your entourage is Rebecca and Walter. Yeah, it's really just them. Mine is Wiley and Betty.

I almost called her Becky. Oh, Betty. Where did that come from? All right. So Yarka. Yarka? Yarka. I keep wanting to call him Yarek.

Why do I want to call him Yarek? He's a good actor, but he's just so irritating as this character for me. Yeah. Well, okay. Also, a little bit of interesting trivia. The character Yarka was named after one of David Cohen's favorite theater professors at Sunni, Albany. So State University of New York, Albany. Professor Yarka Burean, Yarka Burean was this professor that David.

David Cohen loved. And so he made that name become one of the names in this script in this son. And let me just say why he's irritating for me. Because this whole, when anyone gets into there's a premonition or there's some prophecy coming, it's always somebody who's scaring people who isn't full of facts. It's a bunch of fiction from 3,000 years ago. That just makes me crazy because of it scares people and people react to it as if it's fact and that's so that's why I find that kind of character irritating I wonder why I find him irritating it was that character not Eric Barri we love Eric Barri he's great yeah they really do attack this idea in this story very well in this episode I think yeah with Cisco skepticism and the way

he describes I think at one point he talks about you know this is words written down by someone 3,000 years ago, re-translated, rewritten, re-translated, and it was originally metaphors to begin with, and now somebody's taking those translations and interpreting the metaphor in some new way. So, yeah, you can, it's almost like you can find read your horoscope. Yeah, you can read your horoscope and go, oh, that's me, because you're putting it through the, you're wanting it to make sense. Your selective process, right? But you could almost read any, if someone didn't put the label on it, and you saw the character breakdowns and of a horoscope and say, well, I'm a Scorpio. But when I read Sagittarius, if I didn't read

that it was Sagittarius and just read that, I could go, yeah, that's me too. I'm like that. Or, you know, it's just interesting. Absolutely. It reminds me of a TED talk I remember seeing years ago. This guy was talking about how humans process things, they retain things and connect to things, information, if it's told in a story. He's like, if you want to teach someone or convince someone of something, put it in a story that has a, you know, a moral or whatever, and they'll remember it. But if you just say, oh, do good things, you know, be a good person and it will pay off to you, they won't remember that lesson if you just throw the lesson out.

But if you put it in a story, and that's what these metaphors are these texts like you're saying, they put it into the story. of vipers and gates and you sort of retain it like it connects with us in a way it's romanticizing it too yeah and you talking about that TED talk that you listen to now makes me feel that this guy's talking about just Star Trek in general giving all these lessons through a story stories right so you're what you're saying Robbie is not just this but the entirety of franchise yeah entire franchise everything we've done is all that underlying message told through story so yeah great great it's a great ted talk i wish i if i can think of it i'll i'll tell you guys

but it was a great ted talk on on communicating with people like if you can put a story to it if you can make it personal if you you know that it will land that you'll actually connect with people better than if you just tell them the lesson you're trying to get to absolutely um we're in the airlock right now and that's the next scene we have two female cardassian scientists showing up here This is the intro. And it is interesting that in this dialogue, it's almost very formal, the way they're talking. Like, we hope that this will happen between our two people. And they purposely wanted to mirror the Cold War between the Soviet Union and the U.S.

This was kind of what they were trying to do. Yes. And also the prospect of introducing two sympathetic Kardashians was done as a way of showing that there are different kinds of people in Cardassian society. So Robert Hewitt Wolf, our friend Robert Huat Wolfe explained at the height of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, there were sympathetic scientists people we could work with and talk to. So that is the genesis of these two characters. And it's true. We haven't seen Kardashians who are, you know, good Kardashians in a way, ones that are not about to try to end the peace treaty. Except for Garrick.

But Garrick, I guess, is kind of... Garrick's anomaly. He's separate from everything. He's almost like an independent contractor in a way. But boy, these two, they're like a breath of fresh air to see these two come in, right? Attractive, kind. Kind. Very elaborate hairstyles, too.

They seem like super relatable. Yeah. Yeah. Did you? I don't know why the hairstyles were crazy. He did. He underlined hairstyles. Who did?

Who? I did not. They had very elaborate hairstyles. Oh, in my conversation, I thought you said on the script. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. No, just we're giving them attributes. It is.

And you added hair. Alibered hairstyles. They're smart. They're scientists. And they have elaborate hairstyle. They have elaborate hairstyles. Great hair. Hair is important.

Super pretty. Good skin care. Really good skin care. Their complexion. Out of this world. Out of this world. And fashion sense. Did you see the tailoring on those outfits?

Oh, my word. Bob Blackman went out of, out of the pop. I have to say, Tracy Scoggins makes the cutest. When I see her, when she comes on the screen, I think of like a Cardassian Tweety Bird, Tweety Bird cartoons. Like, she just has that really adorable face. His deep space crush is, is Cardassian Tracy Skaghan. Yeah, I think it is too.

I'm getting that. Your girl crush. Yeah. Possibly, yes. We're definitely having that vibe. Are you feeling? Like, what are we in? 20 minutes into the show and.

Yeah. Tracy Scoggins has got a lot of air. I'm not lusting for her. I admire Tracy Scoggins. I'm not lusty after. I admire her. Yes, you. You admire.

I'm full of admiration. Yes, that's what all the guys say. No, come on. Mainly because of how well she did in this role for being a first time wearing makeup and dealing with, you know, techno babble. Goodness gracious. Yeah, it also was early in her career. She did go on to be sort of a. sci-fi icon.

Yeah, she did a lot of sci-fi. I didn't watch Babylon 5. I was too busy working on Deep Space 9. I auditioned for Babylon 5 before. Why did you whisper that? I went out to the valley. I know, just went a dramatic effect. Okay. Babylon 5 shot in these crappy warehouses out near Sunland, like past Burbank.

Yeah. It was the most low budget of low-budget shows. Not a soundstage? Just a warehouse? No, it was a warehouse converted, which was very unusual. Nowadays, that's more common, but back then I did a general, I did a Ma Bell, Pacific Bell commercial in one of those things out by six flags where you're just like, where the hell are we? And then, right, it's 120 degrees to turn off the air conditioner for one, it was a one minute commercial. I spoke for one minute.

Oh my gosh. Yes. That's a long commercial. It's a long commercial. And they had me doing activity for one minute. It was the Star 6-9 thing to call you back. Oh, wow. That's dating us, dating it.

They're definitely Star 6-9. Only certain people know. We're dating themselves. Doing a rewatch of Star Trek. We really are. We really are. Tracy Scoggins. Have we talked about Tracy Scoggins?

I don't know. Garrett, you want to talk to us? What do you think? Tracy Scoggins is the most amazing person in the world and I love her. All right. The next scene is in the word room. Let me finish this scene. We didn't even finish this scene.

I just jumped in. to Tracy. I didn't even say what happened. So Ilani basically thanks Kira. She thanks Kira for allowing them to come here. So there's a lot of goodwill. There's a lot of excitement going on that there's going to be collaboration finally between the Bajoran and the Kodassian people that are involved in this specific mission to set up this calm relay in the gamma quadrant. So a lot of, yeah, a lot of slumber party, deep space nine. Time to have a slumber party. I remember at the end of this scene is they're all walking away from camera down the hall and they turn the corner. Yeah.

Everyone steps over the threshold except for Nana. And Nanaugh is kind of on the shorter side in the group. And so as they're going through, they're all stepping over the threshold, which has like, it comes up like 10 inches or something. Yeah. Naa steps up on the threshold and down. And then down. I actually rewounded. I was like, what just happened?

And she goes, she like pops up and down. It was just a thing that caught my eye, but it was funny. I could never do that. I would hit my head, and they'd say, watch your head. Back to one. Yeah. All right. We're in the wardroom next.

Yeah, wardroom Cisco's showing the signaling platform designs in spec. So he's standing by a cool monitor, which helped me to understand what they were doing. I'm glad they had that acutogram design thing up there. Yes, 100%. Because I was like, oh, I see. You're going to send a radio signal through the wormhole in it. So he's explaining all that. Yeah.

So instead of a picture being worth a thousand words, A graphic is worth a thousand words. Yes. Mike and Denise, a kudogram. It's worth a thousand words. It's worth a thousand words. Thank you. Yes.

And the Kardashians plan to use a new waveform to cut through this wormhold distortion called a soliton pulse, I think they call it. And then O'Brien says, oh, I'd try that before a few months back. And immediately, we see this dynamic between O'Brien and Galora. She's like, oh, you did? Well, you did it wrong. so you see this correction right away which I love yeah love that that whole arc I really loved

oh it was yeah because it was Tracy Scoggins it was Tracy Scoggins doing it and so yeah it was that's why it's so good thank you Robbie keep going okay so anything to say about that guy no no just keep going so Cisco tells says that Miles will help them with anything they need again, you see Miles is a little miffed by

Galora's, you did it wrong comment. How dare he? Sorry. Yes. They go and leave and Cisco then teases and by the way, when they leave Cisco says, oh, we'll have somebody

taking your quarters and they're like, no, no, we'll be fine. So they're all trying to make this non-threatening, I guess. Right. Well, it was Teraknor. They do know where they're going. Yeah. That's true.

And they're saying, we're safe. We're not going to, you don't need to send security with us. But what it said to me is, we know this place. You don't need to. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I didn't think about that. You're right. This was ours first.

For a long time before you even showed up. Yeah. So we don't need an escort anywhere on the station. They already know the station. Yeah, yeah. I mean, even Tracy Skaghan's character catches herself. She says, Terak, Deep Space, Night. Oh, yeah, that's right.

That's right. Yes. I think if I was taken back to Paramount Studios, I would need an escort because I probably have heard of it. You probably have. You would not, Robbie. Come on. He might. But I want to add in there, too. I like that Chief O'Brien and Dax are skeptical. Yes. They bring up Dax, but I brought up, but she's skeptical about it. But not any more skepticism than she'd have with any other scientists. Right. Yeah. You're saying, I've seen.

the designs, but I'm not sure about this wave form you're planning. You know, explain what you're thinking. But we both have our arms crossed a little bit about like, uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting real excited, but I don't feel like we have all the information. And it's. Which we did not.

Yes, we'll find out later. They don't like to talk about the dangerous parts of things. Yeah. And Starfleet likes to hit the dangerous aspect ahead of time. Yeah, head on. They want to know about it. They want to know all possibilities. Exactly.

I like that. Reminds me of how I used to manage my money. I would just spend money. I wouldn't think about it. And now I'm like, no, I got to budget. I got to stick to my budget. What's next month? And the next month, I've got to look ahead and save some contingencies.

Like, that's very Starfleet of me is all I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, you fell in line. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to being an adult. Lieutenant Paris. Though Starfleet is more adult, Cardassians are more childlike. They don't want to talk about, yeah.

They're like, everything's going to be fine. We don't need double backups. We don't need, okay. Got it. I'm glad we figured this out. Now, Garrett, we're in Otos. Where? Yes.

We're in the security office. Right before we go to security office, though. What? What's her name? It comes back in the room after Cisco goes, oh, those are the friendliest two vipers. ever met i'll explain later you know oh that's right milani comes back in and says oh i forgot to tell you guys another scientist is coming to help us and kira is just in shock like you see her she's actually frozen do you know what is that she's yes she doesn't even okay i forgot to say this though when you

first saw her and this first thing i thought it was peter pan the way her hair is come flat and yes she's so wiring and everything yeah she did look like mary martin did look like mary martin You're right. I was just like, so Peter Pan. Wow. Is very upset right now. Yeah. Peter Pan is in shock.

She's definitely in shock. Oh, my goodness. Poor thing. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh, my gosh. So much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's been insane. Trip after trip.

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details. Okay, back in the security office. Odo has done some research on Yarka. Yeah. And he's been defrocked. I loved hearing this. I was like, oh, you see. Noddy boy. He's led protests against the peace treaty with Cardassia. You know, the Vedic Assembly once and the Bajoran people generally kind of want this peace treaty to work. They don't want war anymore. Right. These guys sound like they they don't believe in it. They don't trust anybody because they're looking at these ancient texts. And it's making very paranoid.

Yeah. And then Cisco tells Odo, you know, maybe he's got an agenda to scuttle this peace treaty and this new comps link. That's why he's interpreting the text this way. He's got an agenda. And I love this when Odo says, well, you know, maybe you have an agenda, Cisco.

Mm-hmm. He's like, wait a minute. What? Me? Cisco thinks he means, that what Odo means is that he doesn't, Cisco doesn't want to be the prophet's emissary, that that's his agenda. And Odo says, well. He doesn't.

He doesn't. We know he doesn't. Yes. Cisco calls it for sure. But Cisco doesn't know that. Cisco thinks he. But Odo calls it too. No, Odo, yeah, Odo calls out Cisco.

But Cisco thinks that Odo thinks that he doesn't want the peace to continue or he doesn't the com relay to work right so that's the the twist yeah it's a little bit of like just take a look at yourself i feel like odo's saying i don't know what your agenda is but everyone's got an agenda and a story that they're stuck with and just to be conscious of it which i think is great advice for moto like you know make sure you're not trying to achieve an outcome you know right right i think that's a great lesson for all of us let go of the outcomes do what's in front of you and don't worry about outcome. I like this scene a lot.

I do too. It's very rare that they have a moment where they're sharing some wisdom with each other. Yeah, Avery's got a tough job in this episode to kind of walk this line of being Starfleet, but still being open to the unknown, you know. Well, he's certainly empathetic to her. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of surprised, though, that we didn't do more with finding out that Yarka has been defra. Like, how come that information did it get to Kira?

Because it didn't feel like it did. It felt like, yeah, in that first scene, she introduces this Vedic, and then didn't Cisco say, like, what do you know about him? And she says, not much. He says, well, find out everything you can at the end of that scene. So you do get a sense that, like, she kind of knows. He would tell her, wouldn't he? Yeah, he would tell her.

Yeah. So it didn't suffer from believing, though. Yeah, but we assume that she knows, right? At this point, yeah, she probably is filled in with all this information, too. I would think so. All right. Next scene, we're in the promenade, and we see Kira walking along. This is when Bashir comes up to inform Kira that Morn came by the infirmary,

and he has an acute case of food poisoning. And Kira's like, Morn, I didn't think anything could make him sick. Well, guess what? He had a bad glass of Knaar at Corks. So we now know that Corks serve. a lot of free canard to people before he even brought it up into that living quarter for, was it for

Lonnie's quarters, yeah. Yeah. And Dax finds out that that canar is bad. Yeah, you would think Quark would dump it down the sink. No, I'm assuming that he gave out the samples before he came up to the room. You're saying that he gave out the samples after?

Yes, that's what I was assuming. Oh, that's really horrible that. It's rude. But why would you give it free? I think cork would It's real, it's bad. And it makes you look good that you're giving away. Yeah.

And honestly, if he gave out a bunch of free and the only person who got sick was mourned, well, to Cork, that's just one. What's Morn going to say about it? He doesn't even talk. Is he going to complain? No. No. And he's not going to not, he's not going to stop going to the bar. No.

No. You know what? I'm going to think in my mind that he gave it out before he learned from Dax that it was rotten. I want to think that Corkman has good, good, good. You think that, Mr. Positive. Mr. Positive. You and Tracy Skagins just go over there and think that. Don't talk bad about my friend, Tracy.

Stop. Okay. So as they're walking along, this is also when Yarka pops in and says, hey, I really need to talk to, Kira. And he is trying to make sure that Kira understands that this is a bad thing in this, entire collaboration that's about to happen with the Kardashians is going to end up in the celestial temple being completely destroyed, which means no contact with the prophets will ever happen again. And this is the end of pejoran religion as we know it. And Kira is kind of like,

you know, she's very non-committal in this scene. Well, she's basically, I work for him. I'm not going to change it, basically. Exactly. She explains her situation very clearly. And it's not an easy line. she has to walk honoring her religious beliefs. No. With the emissary. Yeah. Who's also the captain, her boss, or is he still a commander? Is he a captain yet?

Not yet. He's still commander. And Kira does believe that he is the emissary. Yeah, he does. Spoiler? He's a captain? Is that really a spoiler? He should have been captain to begin with.

He should have. Yeah. You're right. It is a little weird. It is a little weird. Well, Yarka even, like, explicitly says, don't you believe in the, in the texts? Yeah.

Don't you believe in your, are you abandoning your faith? Yeah. And to me, this was a scene about like this religious litmus test. Like somehow you have to align with how someone else is interpreting these metaphors and stories or else you're not part of the team.

You know, he's basically saying, are you on the team or not? Yeah. And if you're not, what do you have left? He kind of leaves her feeling, it's a threat in a way.

It's one of these, it feels like a religious. threat to me, which makes him more icky, even more icky. But he's so charming about it all. He seems like a man. But is he? He is. I don't think so.

I'm going to be downer Deb right now. No, I don't think he's charming. I think he's creepy. He's trying to be charming. He's trying to be Mr. Pete of and, yeah. Well, I'm going to say if you close your eyes, every time that Eric Avari is on screen, as Vedic as Vedic I'm not remembering his

damn name. Yarka. Vedic Yarka. If you close your eyes guess what you're going to hear. Guess who you're going to hear? Creepy. John Delancey. It's John Delancey. It sounds like John Delance. It's the same voice. It's the same voice.

So if you're saying he's creepy, then John Delancey also is creepy. No, John Delancey is not creepy. Not the same person. Not the same voice. Oh gosh. Okay. I wonder if they came from the same, like, didn't Delancy come from Philly? Yeah, he can be creepy. Yeah, he can be creepy.

He plays a really good creep, doesn't he? Yeah. Well, I think John Delancey's way more handsome. Sorry. Well, I'm not talking about their look. I'm talking about their voice. Okay, so now we know. I wonder if they both come from Philly, though.

Like, Delancey grew up in Philadelphia. Yeah. So did Bob Picardo, by the way. Yeah. So you're saying that also Eric Avari. or yarka yes maybe he grew up around the same area so that's why they sound the same possibly to you to you sounds when you guys haven't closed your no wait a minute they sound the same to you you have not close your eyes and listen to yarka speak yet you know i don't close my eyes let me close my eyes

and listen to you that's not going to help oh oh that was charming charming Charming. Let's go to Quarks. Let's go to Quarks. So, Dax, Miles, Alani, Galaura, they're all having drinks. And we learned that Dax is, you know, knows this famous Cardassian poet that is maybe kind of obscure. Dax is pretty well read. Very well read. She even met this poet.

Yeah, a loggia of prim. Yes, on some colony. And who was I? Tobin. Tobin. Tobin loves poetry. Tobin was the pilot. Tobin loves poetry.

That's why you write. such good poems. Oh. Thank you. All right. So Alani and Galora, they're very impressed. This is when Quark brings in Dajar. We meet the third scientist.

DeJar, the others don't seem to like her, Galora and O'Wani. Oh, like, they didn't even ask it slightly. It was like, whoa. It was off the very beginning line is, we weren't expecting you so soon. And Dajar is like, I was able to arrange special transportation. And Galora goes, I'm sure. you were. You already know. They hate her. And then they kind

of moved even closer to each other. This is not Charlie's Angels, ladies and gentlemen. This is absolutely, this is odd person. This is Charlie's Angels on the set. On the set. Not Charlie's Angels. Exactly.

Yeah. So, Quark walks over with food and guess what? He has all these Cardassian delicacies that he's, he has yarmic sauce. We've been introduced the yarmac sauce in prior episodes so tojal in yarmic sauce rogova eggs and immediately

Dajar the odd person out is just grabbing yeah she loves it very nonchalant just very happily yeah I'm good with this yeah I love the eggs and then you look at Alani and Galora and they're just they're looking at the food with like

not happy no no we find out they don't eat Cardassian food they eat off world food they can't stand Cardassian food food, which is very funny. Everyone gets a good laugh, except for Dajar. Dejar brings up, yeah, she says, oh, you think you're better than the average Cardassian.

No, she said some of us. She doesn't point her finger exactly. Some of us even think of ourselves as better than the average Cardassian. So, yeah. One last dig. Yeah, not good. Up in Ops, we're down in the pit. I always love a scene in the pit.

Miles and Galora are bickering about smarter, basically, in this scene. And she's totally annoyed with his work because, you know, he says he made some changes after they came to the ship to create some safety backups, a backup for the backup. Like, this is Starfleet protocol, again, on theme, like being cautious and trying to prevent disasters that will happen later because the Kardashians weren't so cautious. But he's explaining this. She thinks it's stupid. Tells him to be quiet. He starts to have an idea. He's like, well, maybe we couldn't.

she's like, let me think. Please, just shut up. Let me think. And then he says, I guess I'll just sit here and wait for you to think. And she's like, oh, well, if you're just sitting there, can you get me some tea, please? Love their energy together. Yeah. Yeah, they were having fun in these scenes. It's really fun to watch them. Yeah. Great scenes. And all I can think about when she's saying, you have a second backup from the backup is what my dad did with Voyager. He had a backup VCR and a second backup VCR. So three VCR's recording Voyager in case the original and the backup failed, there was a second backup, just like O'Brien, my dad. Oh, my gosh. Wow. All right, we go to the bridge next and the bridge of the defiant. And Kira and Ullani enter, talk to Cisco.

Kira tells Cisco that Miles and Galora have run into some kind of problem, which is not surprising. But they should be ready in a few hours, and then they head off. They had a, they dock or dedoc or undock or couplings get undone, however you say that. I like dedocking. That sounds good. They de dock. They doad dock. Yeah.

They whoosh into the wormhole, come out on the gamma quadrant side. Dax scans for dominion activity, nothing. Got nothing there. But she does see an unusual comet, very bright comet. And Kira, again, in her, in her coma, kind of says, the sword of stars. So she's again shocked that these prophecies are coming through. Yeah, it's like Nana sort of chose to be stuck in the middle of this tug of war between Faith and Cisco that she was very timid, I guess, or like she was internalizing it a lot, which I thought was really interesting.

I think she has to, though, right? She has to. She does. The way the scenes play out, because if she lets on about the prophecy to the Clans, to the Kardashians, that is like letting the enemy know your position, right, in a way. And so even though she's being gracious at the airlock, you could also see this glaze over her. The restraint? Well, the restraint, exactly.

She has to have the Starfleet presence because that's who. She cannot act out how she has in the past, especially with Captain, or Commander Sisko standing right there with her. Yeah. Yeah. She has to go against what feels right in her body, which is probably to just lunge at them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you're thinking it's Kira. It's not like she's a goodwill ambassador who's had a lot of diplomatic training. This is a lot of restraint for her to be even greeting them. So she can't let them in on her. That's your most private. feelings are about your religion and what really affects your heart. So she would never let them know what was going on. Yes, definitely not season three, Kira.

But I do believe season one Kira without being seasoned would have let some more cat out of the bag. I feel like she would have been more aggressive. But because she's had restraint, she's dealt with. The character has had an eye here. She's grown. She has to have some growth. She's grown for sure. So the restraints there.

But she's, so I think, I think the not played that. Perfectly. Oh, yeah. It's very interesting. Very subtle nuance. She did it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. But she has to keep those cards close. Yes. Talking about the comet itself. So both Cohen and Weiner went to Andre Bormonis, the resident science advisor, consultant for both Voyager and DS9, to ask about specifics about the comet. But they wanted something that was sort of an unusual effect associated with the comet. And that's when everyone came up with the made-up word solicit. High concentrations of Dax says in the scene, it contains high concentrations of silithium.

And so lithium is key to the storyline as we go on. But that's completely pulled out of the sky, basically. Well, the reason I know that it's pulled up out of, made up, out of thin air, the word solithium, is because my Google word processor kept trying to auto-correct the word solithium. To what? It's like, that's not a word, dude. And if it was real, I'd tell you what it is, but type in something real. Type in a real word. What was the other?

Did it give you a suggestion? It wanted to correct it to dilithium because we use dilythium a lot. So I've added that to my personal dictionary. You know, so it thinks dilithium is a word. Is dilithium a word? I don't think so. But because you've used it so much, your computer recognizes it. Yeah.

But solithium was like, nope, not a word. Don't know you. Don't want to know you. But now I have told Google, yes, solithium is a word. So it may become a real thing out in the world in the interweb now because I've said it's a real word. Because you're the tipping point. It could be the tipping point of this whole language thing. I want to say very quickly.

You should say it then if you want to. I'll just try to paraphrase what it said. When they were consulting Andre Bormonis, And Andre Bormonis has a book where he talks about comets, actually, in his book. Oh, really? And he says that comets, since for the longest time, have been sort of harbingers of doom and sort of things are about crazier are going to happen. A comet, believe it or not, was seen in 1066 right before the Battle of Hastings

when King Harold, who was basically the leader of all the Britons, was killed in battle by the French Normans, basically. And the comet was seen, so that was the harbinger of... The harbinger of his death. The end of the British rule of England. Interesting. Or like birds in your house or walking underneath a ladder, some kind of superstition around it.

Yeah. And that comes back to this episode's idea of like these metaphors being interpreted like a crack mirror or a bird or whatever. They're just metaphors. It's not science. And the comment that, sorry, folks, the comment that appeared in 1066 was Haley's comment. So it wasn't just any old comments, a comment that we know very well today.

So it came back around? Yes. Haley's coming? Yeah. What's doing laps or something? It's going to come back. Yeah. It's doing laps.

Interesting. When is it coming back again, Garrett, do you know? Goodness gracious, I have no idea. Oh, my God. If someone Google that, just type in Haley's comment, they'll say. Someone listening to this podcast, Google it right now. and then send us a message through the wormhole. And we will go ahead and put it the episode.

Haley's comet will appear in the night sky in the year 2006. So it orbits the sun every 75 to 76 years. Wow. Okay then. Well, Kira has just heard the comet thing about the solithium and the really super bright comet. She thinks it's the sort of stars. Yeah. She kind of whispers it loud enough that after a commercial break,

Ulani comments and says, oh, what was that? Colorful way to describe a comment major. And Kira sort of stuffs it. She's like, oh, yeah, just a figure of speech. And... Can I just say how smooth that was, Robbie? What you just said? Yes.

That was so smooth right after a commercial break. Actually, she whispers it loud enough. Right after a commercial break. I love that. Until you interrupt it just flow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes.

Don Pardo is back. And O'Lani says that this comments very bright and all, but it should not interfere with this relay station. Let's move ahead. And Sisko comes over to Kara and whispers to her very politely, can I have a word in private with you? Which I thought was interesting because he could have been like, you know. Major?

Major? A word with you? Like, there was a lot of ways to do that. And I thought it was really interesting for this episode and great choice that he, you know, played it so private and personal. because this whole faith issue is kind of private and personal. Mm-hmm. And that's how you direct too, though, Robbie.

Like, you'll pull someone aside and talk to an actor very low. You don't sit there and broadcast it for the whole set if you're trying to, you know, get something a point across, right? Yeah, I was going to make a joke like, no, I yell from the chair. Is that how you're going to do it? No, I don't. Really? No, I don't do that. That's how breaks does it.

I know, he does. He does yell from the chair, but it's always positive. and like, does anybody else smell that in this room? Let's try that again. Yeah, he will. He makes a joke out of it. He's an entertainer. He is.

He's doing through. He really is an entertainer. I like their relationship in this scene. The cabin scene? Oh, the cabin scene. Yeah. And the relationship with Kira and Commander Sisko overall in this whole episode, I think the writers did a great job in every storyline.

between O'Brien and Ullani and Kira and Cisco. Those are the two, like, biggest arcs and relationships that are happening, I think. One is funny. Galora, Galora, sorry. Tracy Scoggins, but yeah, I love that arc. Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry. There's the comedic arc of a relationship between a man and a woman.

And then there's the deep dive. deep-end relationship with Kara and Cisco, which I think is really good and really important for the audience to get to see how much they've both grown and how they respect each other and how they interact with each other. Yeah. Well, Cisco says, the first thing he says is there's no place for this faith thing, this prophecy on the bridge. There's no place for that.

So he kind of draws a boundary there. He says, not in front of our guests. And she agrees with him. She doesn't argue. And he asks if she believes this prophecy is coming true because of the comet. Now, things are starting to add up. There's three Kardashians, the three vipers. There's if you interpret it this way.

You know, this is just assuming that Yarka's version of this interpretation is correct. Is correct. Then you could interpret it that it's coming true. So he asked, do you believe it? He even asked, Kira, do you believe that I'm the emissary? And Kira says, well, yeah, I guess I always have. And I love that. End of that line.

She says, it's hard to work for someone who's a religious icon. No. I was like, oh, my God. And they were all like, what? But he's like, no, I'm just a Starfleet officer. I'm not. Yeah. And then he's.

I'm just a boy. I'm just a boy. Talking to a girl. Yeah. About prophecies. Yeah. She does try to give it like a Starfleet answer to this. she says okay here's a starfleet answer if the prophets or the aliens who live in the wormhole

as you call them if these aliens exist outside of linear time and space and told someone three thousand years ago what's going to happen then maybe this is true that those aliens might have seen it and uh and his answer is well yes these texts are ancient and they were translated and re-translated and they started as just simple metaphors not some prophecy and uh and he kind of ends the scene saying, from a Starfleet perspective, he says, I only see a comet, I see scientists and myself, a Starfleet officer. That's what I see. Yeah. And so he's, he's not crossing over into the faith yet, but he's open to it. Clearly, he's open to considering it and respecting it in some way. So I think that's, it's an interesting nuance that they have to play through this

story. Yeah. And then Dax, the really smart one on the bridge, says, hey, we're ready to go. Come on. Is that how she said it? Hey, we're ready to go. Like that? I love your interpretation of my character. Thank you. It's yours and yours alone.

Thank you. I wish you said that. Dax to Cisco, go ahead. Hey, we're ready to go. Like that. That's awesome. Hey. Benny.

We go into the corridor where Miles and Galora are working on a panel. Yeah. And I just have to comment, whatever they had the backing that was behind them, the geometry was not right. Like, you can see where the physical set ends and the fake backdrop of a hallway kind of changes angle. It shows? I was distracted the whole time. I kept looking back there going, oh, the angle. Yeah, you're being serious.

You can totally see that clearly. You can see that. I could. You can see the actual set floor does this. And then the backing floor kind of changes. angle. And so it's just a, it's literally a photograph. It did look like a weird angle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a little weird. You're right. The job is that to catch that little weirdness. Not ours. Not ours, but we just caught it. And we talked about it. And now I'm

going to, but you know, the cameraman see it? Yes, they could see it. There's not much to do about it. You have to. Once you're in it. Once you're in it, once it's there. Maybe they couldn't help it. Maybe there was some reason. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a little off. Okay. But I'm not nitpicking about it because I think it much better to have that backing there than just a dead wall. And like it was more interesting to feel like you're deep in the corridors of this station. So it was great.

But Galora and O'Brien are continuing to bicker. She keeps criticizing his work, his ideas. She finally admits in this scene that it's because he's male. And she says, males just don't have a head for the sciences. Everybody knows that. Galora, I wouldn't disagree. I think. You're agreeing with Galora?

I do. I agree with Galora. All right. I mean, when I was in high school, and I actually like sciences, I love physics. It was my favorite class. But when I was in some of those, what do you call them, when it's a class you choose, a elective class? Yeah, elective class when I was in those physics classes or the trigonometry AP class or whatever.

There was more females in that class than males, I would say. Really? Yeah. I just remember my biolid anatomy teacher. She was amazing and she was easy to learn from her because she told in story. Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah. So even when we just dissected our pig, it was like she told the story of the body and how it worked.

So it made you engaged. It was easier to listen to her than the teachers that just give the dry facts are like, how do I walk away? That's the TED talk. I'm telling you the TED talk is exactly about that. You see you're trying to cram it in your head. Yeah, but she was great. Yeah. Very cool.

Well, she admits he's male and that males just don't have a head for the sciences. And this really angers O'Brien. Oh, yeah. He finally fights back. He, like, doesn't bite his tongue anymore. And he says, I know more about these systems than anybody, definitely more than you do. So step back and let me work. And suddenly you see her a little twinkle in her eyes.

She's all over it. He steps forward and she's like, he put his big boy pants on and didn't let her boss him around anymore. You know, they talk about this being a Cardassian. Yeah, it is hot, but you talk about this being a Cardassian thing. But it's also kind of a human thing, too. Women are always going for the bad boys in a way, you know? Yeah. I just think when you can naturally be, speculate with someone or question what's going on,

I think that's always really engaging in connection, whether you're doing it with a little hostility or if it's easy, but you're still engaged, you're still asking questions and you're still pushing for finding resolution, the truth, or maybe not so well dealing with what's your point of view and how do you see it? Most of the time it doesn't come out very, it comes out like this does, it comes out a little combative.

Yeah, this has definitely got some heat to it, which she, you know, like seeing this side of him, this assertive side. I mean, I think that's probably true for whether it's a man or a woman, male or female, or even two women or two men, when someone is being too submissive, like you say, Terry, they're not engaging. It's unattractive in a friend and a romantic person, whatever, whereas when someone asserts themselves a bit, yeah, it kind of snaps you out of it.

You pay attention. This is what I know. I don't just believe it. I know it. I know it. I'm confident about this and I'm claiming this. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And drawing the boundary of like, don't diminish. me don't I'm you know just when he stops being submissive yeah that gets her attention in a great way I refuse to be small yeah for your voice all of you listeners don't be small no assert yourself go big or go home 2025 exactly the minute you assert yourself the people around you will have a twinkle in their eye for you oh that's kind of scary maybe that's too much did we go too far?

Maybe just a respectful twinkle. Yes. How about that? Okay. Back on the bridge, we see the satellite is now hanging out in space by the defiant. They're ready to go. They initiate this transmission. They try a couple frequencies.

It's not really working when suddenly one of the frequencies they try starts, the wormhole opens up and its gravitational pull is increased three times as much as normal. So the ship is shaking and it's pulling things in. it's amplified the gravitational pull of the wormhole. Very good shipshaking, by the way. Very good shipshaking, yes. But that's scary because the entire wormhole is about to destabilize, so it's not a good thing, clearly.

So they shut off that carrier wave, and everything stops, and it's all fine then. And DAC says that the wormhole changed the comet's direct trajectory now. And Ulani's comments, if the comet enters the wormhole, the solithium core made up word by the way the solithium core says Dax will collapse

the wormhole permanently permanently and Kira is like she's Kira's all in on this prophecy now Kira's about to jump out of her skin at this point

she's like Oh yeah Yeah Cut out to space Commander's log supplemental With less than five hours Before the comet reaches the wormhole

He's brought The Defiant back to the station convened a meeting with the entire science team. Everybody. And we cut inside the ward room. It's a science summit, basically. It's a TED talk for scientists. Dax is there.

Dax is there. The Kardashians admit that they knew that this was a possibility, but they didn't think it was very likely. So they decided not to share that possibility. Galora and Miles still have some tension there. Alani says that it's because the Kardashians have rules that prevent them from sharing anything that looks potentially dangerous. They have to follow these military rules.

Dejar does make a comment. Dejarre, the outcast Cardassian scientists. She says, well, this team's going to be replaced with a new team because they failed. So, yeah, horrible. Yeah, she's not very helpful. No. But Miles has an idea. He can adapt the defiance phasers to encompass the whole comet.

So basically send out a phaser as opposed to a, like, a beam it'll be like a like a phaser embrace the entire blanket it'll just like wrap the whole thing up and that will keep it from the fragments from going into the wormhole the wormhole that will vaporize everything so there'll be no fragments it's what they're no fragments exactly exactly fingers crossed yes yeah I do like how O'Brien O'Brien like Golaura says well the same thing's going to happen if you try to distort it with a phaser beam and O'Brien's like not necessarily, again, more conflict between these two. He's like, I'm smarter than you. I could modify. That's what sort of. And sometimes maybe this kind of conflict is a good thing. It's pushing

them both to come up with solutions. You know what I mean? Yeah. Even better ideas. You got a good idea? Wait, I've got an even better idea. Yeah. Every single time O'Brien one-ups galora, Galora gets a bigger twinkle in her eye is what's happening. She loves this now. She likes it. She doesn't want, she's going to go get tea for him.

She's like, yes. He'll bring the tea to him. Yes. They should have ended the scene with. He deserves it now. He deserves a little tea time. The scene ends with her coming here.

Here's your red leaf tea. Like that. That's the end of the scene. A little G time with Galora. Oh my. Oh my. We're in the Jeffries too. with more Galora time.

Miles and Galora are working. Miles is in charge now. Galora is very creepy to me. Oh, super. Icky. It's like, she did some animal study as an actor. It was like an animal sort of like a snake or reptile. Like she's tracking her prey.

Yes. Yes. Well, it wasn't icky to me. I thought it was fine, mainly because it was Tracy Skaghan's problem. Of course. Of course. She grabs his hand at one point, you know, when he's reaching in there with a tool. She grabs his, and she, like, wraps it around hers.

And she says, your hands are very steady. His face was like, what is happening? Why are you touching me? And then she does comment. She says, okay, just so you know, I am very fertile, but I think you're getting ahead of yourself, which I loved. He's like, what are you talking about? oh yeah he says he's married he hits his head remember that he's like when she goes i assure you i'm quite fertile he goes bunk it was so funny yeah he says what are you what are you thinking all we've

done is argue and she says your irritability was i thought was a signal that you wanted me right so now she's a bit embarrassed and he does say at one point he goes i'm not remotely interested in you and she's like like that was a little too far yes yeah and when i was watching i We're like, but I am. I'm interested in you. Yes, Tracy's comments. I said those words before, too, and not a good choice of words. I'm not remotely interested in you.

No. Never. It doesn't land well. That's painful, isn't it? If someone said that to you, I'm not even remotely interested in you. That's painful. No, it's terrible. It's mean.

Oh, yes. Yeah, but when it feels unsolicited, it feels like, stop. Yeah. In the commander's office, Dax is there. says Miles will be ready soon. Cisco's reading these prophecies on a padida, I think. Oh, I like this scene. Yeah, I did too.

I liked it a lot. So it's a real important scene and a turning point in this story, I think. Robbie, did you like, just to interrupt, did you like the padida that Golaura was holding? She had a Cardassian padded paddeda. Did you notice that? I don't remember it. Oh.

Not a pad? It was gold. Nobody was studying Tracy the way you were. We were just watching the show She happened to be in it You were studying her I was golden colored It was a different shape than our pad did it is

Oh I thought you said you were a golden color I don't even know what that means but I don't I don't either I don't want to go there I just thought he said it Yeah right No we didn't notice the pad Is there is it relevant? It was cool I was up that's all I'm saying

Cardassian pad Like we always see Starfleet technology We don't see alien technology padded. We are in an alien station. Everything in it is Cardassian. Not the paddages that you use. You guys use regular fatally pads.

Are you calling them padidas? Because Robbie did that once. They have two Ds on the end. I'm like, how have I been in the show and not known that they were padidas? P-A-D-D stands for personal access display device. And then Robbie one day joked around on the Voyager set. He goes, hey, who's pad-da is this? He said paddida.

So we all started laughing. Yeah. No, I did not know that. I think it was in a rehearsal. I think I said to Ethan Phillips, something about my line was, you know, hand me that pad. So I said in the rehearsal, I said, Neelix, can you hand me that pad to do? He broke out laughing.

So for seven years, I said pad to did. It works. It stuck. It stuck. But this Dax and Cisco scene is great. Yes. Disco says, you know, if you read these prophecies, if you interpret them in the story, certain kind of way. It can make sense. And Dax says, well, what would you have done if you had

never heard of these prophecies? And he says, well, I continue to work on the relay station. And she says, well, then you've got two choices. You can either let the prophecy decide for you or you can make your own decision. And he stands up, makes a call. He's like, get the defiant ready to finish this job. So he goes the Starfleet path. Thanks, Dax. Yeah. With Dax's help. Yes.

Dax did the job. And the truth is... Rational mind. Dax's influence here had him do the Starfleet way, which ultimately they interpret the prophecy, spoiler later on, that this was the right thing to do, that he should have done this. So, yeah. If he would have followed the wrong interpretation, which is what we've been following the entire show. Yarka.

Yeah. And what was meant to happen. Would not have happened. Would not have happened. Stupid yarker. They would have missed the opportunity. Yeah. We go to the bridge, back on the Defiant.

They're targeting the comet. Three, two, one, they fire. Go boom. There's an explosion on a panel. It doesn't fire like it should. Something went wrong. Miles is confused. He's like, I don't get it.

I don't know why this thing misfired. Now there's three fragments, giant fragments. headed towards the wormhole. Kira's quiet. She's just... She's distraught. She's distraught. She does.

There's no way to stop them. About 26 minutes. Nope. No way to stop them without weapons now. I think we go to a commercial probably at this point. And we come back. O'Brien says, this doesn't make any sense. That he would not make such a foolish error to set this up wrong.

Something happened. This is when Galora, your hero, Tracy's. Coggins. Yes. It says it was sabotaged by Dejar. Yes. She's in the obsidian order. That's a big deal for Galora to throw her, her Cardassian coworker under the bus here.

She tells the truth. Yeah. But it's a big deal. Huge. She's a tough cookie. Yeah. Well, we've already established out loud both of them have how much they don't like her. Yep.

Yep. So they didn't trust her to begin with. And we don't get any kind of, I mean, this is kind of a light note in the show. This isn't where you go, aha, it's her. It gets wrapped up super quick. Yeah. It's you. And Kira also says we can check for the DNA.

Yes, that's right. Yeah. So it was like, oh, you're under the bus. You're under it completely. Completely. Yes. No. Yeah.

Cisco agrees to what Galora says. that she was the saboteur because he says the obsidian order has always opposed this peace treaty so yeah he detains her now they've got to figure out a way to prevent the solithium yes solithium

it's a made up word that's why I'm having trouble with it yeah I think it's very very convenient I'm an expert and made up word so yes you are Dax you're good at that it is a little to me a little interesting that there's readily available security officers to take Dajar away on the bridge that they're just hanging out there all

the time? I don't know. Yeah, sometimes that that defiant has like two people and sometimes it seems to have like 50 people. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. 50 is probably an exaggeration. I'm sorry. Slight, but just slight. To make the point. To make the point. Yeah, 39 people. Yes. Yeah. So Cisco detains her and now they've got to find a way to prevent this solithium from interacting in a wormhole and they realize they can create a warp subspace field bubble around this thing using the at first they think the defiant and then the defiance is too big to navigate so they decide you know miles says maybe we can use a shuttle it might work but miles is worried that it could overload the shuttle's warp drive and cisco says it's worth taking the chance he goes to

get ready sends the defiant wants them to go back and kira approaches and said I want to join you. I want to help you. I want to help support the emissary. Yeah, not just as the first officer. Yeah. Because I want to help the emissary. Correct.

And it is important to know. This is the moment where she's wearing both hats. Yes. Yeah. Yes. It is important to note that it is Ulani who comes up with the idea to generate a subspace field around the fragment so the solithium will not leak out. So this is a Cardassian who's trying to save her the day as well.

So just, you know, she's not a viper. Right? I think it is, no, yeah. I think it's important that they're working as a team, clearly. Yeah. Miles is helping, Galora's helping. Ullani helps. Like, they're all working together. Yeah.

Yeah, on the shuttle pod, Cisco sends the define back to the alpha quadrant, gets in positioned. He kind of flies around behind the big chunks, the fragments, with the solithium. You can see that solithium, too. I like that in the Viz effect. You see a little sparkly white, the energy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. Dax holds the position on the other side of the wormhole. She's kind of worried that... I looked good in the captain's chair, though. You looked really good. Thank you. It suited you. It really did.

I believed it. I kind of did too. We should get you a captain's chair for this podcast. For this new show that we're doing. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yes. There you go. They're in the shuttle pod, right?

So they activate this subspace field, this bubble kind of envelops the three portions of this. It's like a force field, right? It's like a force field, exactly. But the shuttle pot is right inside the three. So it's literally, you know, there's no room for error here, right? As they're going along, they are losing some containment. So Cisco says divert some power from the engines to the subspace field coils. That does help, but they're still losing a little bit of solithium, the fake.

It's leaking out. Yes, it's leaking out. Stop saying that it's fake. The real element, solithium, it is leaking out. It's in our reality right now. Right, guys? That's right. Ryan is going to start this.

Aren't you guys? Yes. Okay, back to our real solitium. Back to the real solithium. So now the O'Brien picks up that something is coming through, the wormhole, and out comes. You see the three pieces of the comet, the shuttle pod, the shuttle pod speeds out in front of the comet pieces. And they made it through. The wormhole did not collapse.

Yay. Yeah, the bubble worked. The bubble worked. The bubble worked. But there is a little bit of solithium leakage. But the good thing is... I don't like the word leakage, by the way. You don't like leakage?

No, it's it. We've said it like... How about this? How about this? It's a small opening. Okay, Robbie. There was some solithium loss. There you go.

Much better. Okay. Much better. Okay. We cut to the bridge. Miles is freaking out. He's like, I don't believe it. Dax says, what is it, Chief?

I'm picking up a test signal from the communications relay. How is that possible? Guess what? That little subspace filament of solitium is sort of helping the communication. So it had to happen this way. It needed this to happen. The prophecy came true. And Kira says that, the shuttle.

She goes, everything came true. The three vipers were not the three Kardashians. They were the three comet fragments. The temple peering through the temple grates was trying to, to get the communications relay to to work and it's just it was it all there was their interpretation was wrong it was not that the prophecy was wrong it's how their story about it their interpretation exactly yeah at the end of this shuttle pod scene with kira and and cisco kind of talking about oh we just misinterpret it's not that it's it's wrong it was it was our interpretation they both seem

to believe it in a way like kira at the end she's like see my faith is still holds up because these words make sense of what happened and you being the emissary yeah not think the prophets we didn't go with our gut instinct on the first version of this because we would have ruined it yeah that would have been interesting dialogue to have happened yeah but i think with that final two lines though uh kira saying and it's all because the emissary used the sword of the stars. And then Cisco says, and Tracore saw it all 3,000 years ago. He doesn't say, no, I'm not the emissary. I know. He doesn't say this is baloney. He, he believed, he, he holds and Sinker. This is the beginning of him realizing that he is the emissary, right? Is that

true? Is that true? I think he wrestles with it. I mean, that's a, but there's acceptance happening here. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. yeah a little bit but maybe it's the title he has a problem with religious icon yes yes well it's also saying that you're part of a prophecy there's like an enormous amount of responsibility around that like what are you afraid to make a move after that he still has to make his own choices and use his own mind like dax you know advised him to do and that's how everything turned out all right is he listened to what was going on in his heart and his mind. Yeah. But instead of saying, and I guess Tracore probably saw it all 3,000, he says,

and Tracor saw it all 3,000 years ago. He believes it at the end, right? That's what I'm buying from this. That's what I see in this scene. I think he's relieved that he doesn't have to deny the possibility of the faith. Like, you know what I mean? I like that. I don't know that it's all in, But I think he's relieved that, like, okay, I don't have to deny this. I don't have to. I can. Right. And he didn't have to make a decision that was against what felt right as a Starfleet officer and as an intelligent man.

He actually had both. It's proof that you can be logical and evidence-based thinking. And still, that can align with more philosophical or spiritual or physical. Oh, well articulated. Thank you. Robert Duncan McNeil. I really like that. I know, enjoyed that moment. We're back on the promenade. O'Brien tells Galora goodbye in the scene. He says he gives her a nice compliment. You're brave to tell the truth about, you know, the obsidian order and Dajar and all that. She says, well, Dajar is going to be in a lot more trouble than me because the obsidian order does not tolerate failure. So she asks about his wife. What's her name? and says that she's a very lucky woman and gives him a very sweet kiss on the cheek.

Very appropriate and sweet kiss, I thought. Yeah, and I like that they did that so it didn't just dismantle their connection altogether. It was just, and well-deserved to him because he's a great guy. Yeah, yeah, I like that they wrapped it up with a scene like this. It was great.

And Garrett got to see Tracy Scoggins one more time, so that's a win. So great. So great, right? Yeah. At the beginning. I mean, come on. Poor Gawa.

After this nice, sweet moment, we see Yarka and Cisco heading towards the airlock. And Yarka admits that his distrust of Kardashians had blinded him to the truth of the prophecy. And Cisco says, yeah, it appears the prophets want peace between all of them after all. And then Yarka brings up, yes, well, that's a story. sign that the fourth prophecy Sisko's like, wait, what? Fourth? What are you talking about? And as they walk off, you hear Yarka telling him

the beginnings of this fourth prophecy says that the emissary will face a fiery trial and he'll be forced to choose. We don't hear it. No. Good, because we haven't seen the seventh season yet. Well, what's also interesting is remember the two writers that came in and pitched?

That was their pitch. The fourth prophecy, what the beginning, beginning of that emissary will face it. That was the pitch. Their pitch was the emissary will face a fiery trial and he'll be forced to choose and they continued their pitch. But that's funny that they use that as the next one. You see what I'm saying?

So I remember nothing, nothing that they wrote ended up in the episode. It was all taken out. Remember, they were supposed to write the teleplay too, which they did. But none of it was used. They even came up with another rule of acquisition. Yeah. It said it's something about moving. mountains inventory can be moved mountains can be moved by one person or some some type of

you know obviously sorry acquisition role that was integral to their story or their pitch that was not used ira loved it he put it in the book in the book of the rules of acquisition yes that he printed he put it in there but he didn't use it in the episode so everything that they put in there they didn't use well i can't get to see this fourth prophecy someday Let me just read this. Writer David S. Cohen was not happy with the finished episode. Not a word of our dialogue made it in. Not even the rule of acquisition that they like so much from the pitch.

So as far as I'm concerned, the story basically makes no sense. So he's not a happy camper. A bunch of guys running around trying to stop Cisco from doing something without ever saying why it matters, whether he does it or not. I still get a headache when I watch it. Oh. Rude. I disagree. Yeah. Stop watching it.

It was a good episode. I agree. It was a good episode. Well, later, David S. Cohen said, a TV development executive at Wind Dancer told me that he had a friend who loved Destiny and said it was his favorite DeSpace 9 episode. Go figure. Hell, it's not even my favorite. So he's really kind of bummed. I think he's butt hurt that his dialogue and his version didn't get in there. I think he's blinded, as Yarka was.

He's blinded by that to, you know, he can't see that this is a really good. episode. Yes. I like it a lot. So he's Yarka. It happened without them. Without them, yeah. If they didn't bring it, we wouldn't have gotten to see even this teleplay version. Right. Yep. Yep. You're exactly right.

This happens to a lot of writers who, that were on the show and selling spec ideas and scripts and all of that. Right. A lot of them are very different than the original idea. It's interesting. Imagine being in the writer's room. I mean, they're all tossing out ideas. But you've got to start somewhere. It's like starting out with a white wall. What do you do with it?

At least if it's orange, you can have an opinion about orange, right? But white sort of like, ah, your brain, I don't know what to do with an all white wall or all black wall. It's hard to see around that as a metaphor. I think what you said, Terry, earlier, is the most important thing, which is David S. Cohen, without his pitch with his writing partner, this episode never would have been made, right? Because we started with that, you're right, you're 100% right. So he should be so happy that the pitch was even accepted, even though it wasn't the pitch they ended up going with. Because we're all happy that we got to watch this episode. I really enjoyed it.

I did too. Okay, so theme and moral of this episode, for me, I'll start with mine. Mine is don't hold too tightly to stories you tell yourself. be open to another idea. Mm-hmm. I like it. Okay. Definitely.

I, well, I wrote, be skeptical. And skeptical is different than cynical, I want to say. I'm reading a book. Oh, yeah, not cynical. Very different. Skeptical. Question it. Question it. Yeah.

For me, I would say just be open to seeing the other side of the coin or seeing the glasses half full as opposed to being half empty. So I think that's kind of what Yarka was doing. It was half empty the entire time for him. And he didn't even think that there was a half full interpretation or another interpretation. Yeah. How about let's just slow down. We just slow down.

Yeah. The other lesson for me, my other lesson that I learned is that Tracy Skagins is amazing. Yes, you did. So happy you discovered that. Thanks. You're welcome. So excited for you. We're so excited.

Tara Fair. Yes. Who is the winner of our Patreon poll for the theme? Well, the winner was submitted by Sherry Kay. Prophecies are open to vast numbers of interpretations and should not be followed blindly. There you go. We're all on the same page. That was perfect.

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