The Delta Flyers - Distant Voices

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Distant Voices, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell.Distant Voices: An alien named Altovar approaches Bashir to obtain a restricted substance. The Doctor refuses, prompting Altovar to later break into the infirmary. We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Nicole Toma, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, & Sean T.Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Chris Garis, Cindy Woodford, Mariette Karr, Jeff Allen, & Tamara EvansAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Klee Wiggins, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Karen Galleski, Jeremy Conoley-Mayes, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Helen Brownrigg, Nancy Janda, Lindsay Bundy, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Robby Hill, Andrea Wilson, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Shawn Battershall, & Natalie SwainThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong, for the complete an exciting version of this podcast, check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. Do we have any birthdays today? We do. We have on March 19th. We need to all say a very, very happy birthday to Shannon. Happy birthday, Shannon. Happy birthday, Shannon. Happy birthday, Shannon. my haiku for distant voices. Yes.

Bashir is attacked. Must fight to exit coma. His mind, the hero. Whoa. Wow. I love it. Thanks. Love it.

That one flowed. I was kind of afraid it was going to end a couple lines earlier. I know. Me too. Right? Yes. And you continue. And I was like, yes.

Nice. I don't know if my limer can keep up with this, but we'll see. Bashir's turning 30 and becoming grown up. A Lethean attack has his mind all mixed up. He gets old way too fast. As a quitter, he's typecast. But Altafar learns, Bashir never gives up. That was awesome.

Well, thank you. It was so hard not to laugh. Thank you. Yeah. That's a thing. Really good. We were both. You're allowed to giggle.

You're allowed to giggle. Yes. Limericks are supposed to give you a little tickle. A little limerick tickle. A little tickle. And in fact, Terry, just so you know, I refuse to even look at what's written on our recording document. I like to let it hit me fresh when Robert says it. I don't even look at it because it's wonderful when it hits you, right?

Because it gives you the giggles. And both of you perform them so well. Well, thank you. Well, who made this, Karen? Tellboy was by Iris Stephen Bear and also our very good friend, Robert Hewitt, Wolf, who we love, and story, story by Joe Manoski, the elusive and reclusive at times, Joe Manoski, directed by our good friend, Alex Singer, which surprised me. I just remember him laughing, you know.

Oh, his laughter. He's such a great, yeah, I don't know why in my mind now, he sort of like reminds me of Bernie Sanders. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like a Brooklyn. He was from the Bronx or something, I think. Yeah.

Old school, New York. A little rough and tumble. Yeah. I love Alex. Can I rewind a second to Robbie's comment? You said you were surprised. Robbie said he was surprised that this was an Alex Singer episode because of the selection of shots and it wasn't as. Yeah.

Yeah. There was a scene midway through or early on where I was like, I hadn't noticed who directed. I never see the credits as they come by. I hate to admit it. I'm trying to watch the show. So I mean to see all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

And there was a scene where I was like. Oh, my God, this has to be Alan Craker. This has to be. And I paused it to go, oh, did I miss his credit? And I looked up the director. And it was Alex Singer. I was like, that's shocking to me because I wouldn't have guessed Alex Singer to shoot the particular way. When we get there, I'll point it out.

I love that you notice that nuance. Yeah. It's so cool, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. That is amazing. Okay. And when we get to that scene, you'll fill a synonym on that.

right yeah okay yeah guest stars Andrew Robinson as Garrick Victor Rivers as the lethean alien oh mm-hmm interesting man scary interesting man um hmm tell us Cuban born so Cuban immigrant we couldn't tell with the makeup right made it here made it to Florida made it to Miami was in a gang as a youth yep so he was a gang member but then he was a gang member but then He cleaned up his life early because he became, he was the senior class president in his high school. He then got a full scholarship to play football as an offensive guard, and he was undersized. Wow, yeah, I would say he doesn't look like a guard in the show. I mean, I think in the show, he's probably six one or six two, maybe, I'm guessing.

He's still taller. Yeah, but still a guard. And they probably gave him boots. Yeah. Yeah, probably for the show. Yeah. So anyway, so he was an offensive goal. Yes. And then he actually was, he was picked up by an NFL team. So good enough to make the NFL as well.

Wow. Wow. Miami Dolphins. So, that's very well. Wow. He's also an author. The man has written a book. He's a spokesperson for the National Network to end domestic violence. Wow. Good for me. Wow. That's important. It is my favorite credit. My favorite credit of his doing that kind of work. That's awesome. Yeah. So, yeah. And his, his acting resume is long and esteemed. So he's done quite a bit of work, definitely. Wow. Jumping over to our next guest star, excuse me, jumping to our next guest star, Anne Gillespie as Nurse Jabara. I think we've seen her before, right? Anne? Yeah, she didn't have much to do in this one. She was very good. She was on Ryan's Hope. So she started out in soaps, similar to Bobby and Kate as well. Yeah. Yeah. She also worked. on Star Trek Next Generation. So she did an episode of that. Star Trek D-Space 9, Nurse Jabbar, recurring role, yes. So from 1993 to 95.

And what's awesome about her is similar to how Victor Rivers has sort of done various things throughout his life. She stopped acting. She went back to college and received her Bachelor of Arts at the age of 46 in Vermont. It gottered college. That's amazing. And then she went on.

to get an MFA, a master's degree, a master's of fine art in creative writing through Seattle Pacific University. So this is, I think, pretty darn cool. And then she went on to, she again morphed and changed. She is currently an Episcopal priest. Oh, wow. As of December of 2023, she is the senior associate rector at Church of the Holy Comforter in Vienna, Virginia. So she's a priest now. Wow. A bunch of it's very interesting. people. Yes. And interesting people who literally have an amazing resume in terms of you, if you look at these credits that these people have or these accomplishments, they're so impressive and so different and varying too, right? So good on Ann. Yeah. All right. And finally,

for a co-star, we have Nicole Forrester as the Dobbo girl. Oh, the singer, the singing, the happy birthday girl. She had a good voice. I like you. Didn't she? Broadway. Or was that not her voice? It was Luke DeVos. That was her voice. Okay. Good job, Nicole.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Shall we jump into it? Yeah. Let's do. The first scene we have here is in the Replomat. It's meal time.

Garrick and Bashir are eating together, having one of their traditional meals together. I love this friendship, this relationship. It's just awesome. Yeah. Very sweet. Garrick gives Bashir a birthday present. It's Bashir's 30th birthday coming up. He gives him this holosweet enigma program, which I loved.

I never heard of this with Kardashians. They have like mystery hollow suites, but everybody's guilty. So the whole goal is finding out what each person did or something. He's really having a hard time about his 30th birthday. Oh, yes, he is. He is mad about it. Did you? I was really freaked out about turning 30.

The morning I woke up, I was like, why was I so freaked out about turning? Right. right yeah stupid but it made me laugh out loud how unnerved and anxious and upset he was it was just so funny to me that was very funny it was comical and how old was Sid he was older than 30 when he was no I don't think so no I think he was 27 when he got the part I was 28 I'm a year older than him so he might have been right around 30 wow So this is his real life story. It is.

Oh, my God. I wonder if he had expressed being anxious about turning 30 and they were like, oh, let's do an episode. I wonder if it came from his real life. Maybe. Oh, my God. Maybe. Bashir's grumpy about his birthday, which is hilarious. Garrick tries to give him this Hall of Sweet programs.

Quark arrives with Altavar. Altavar has lots of teeth, I noticed right away. Have we seen this alien before? No. I don't think so either. We have not seen a Lethean. before. He looked scary.

He looked scary. Did he look scary? Did he red eyes? He did, but he had teeth, I mean, or jagged, whatever those were coming out of every. And his thumb had like extra long with a huge, yeah, it was. You didn't like him? He didn't like him. It was a freaky.

It was just really freaky. I liked him. I thought it was a cool makeup. It was like a Salvador dolly painting, you know. It was scary. Yeah, I thought he looked scary. I will say. In a good way.

Yeah. He looks terrible. When you first see him, and then when he spoke, and this is not a shot at the actor at all, but I expected a different voice. There was something sort of high-pitched about his voice than it was like... You wanted it to be lower? Yeah, I wanted it to be like... It was low. Really?

It was kind of... I don't know. I can't explain it. I expected his voice to be different. Well, maybe because it was a little... That's fair enough. Okay, yeah. I didn't think it was too high.

I thought it was way too low, to be honest. scare me as much as the makeup, I guess, is what I'm saying. Ah. And you wanted his voice. It didn't seem to fit. Yeah. Didn't seem to fit me. If his voice was just very calm and not low and just without

any emotion. Maybe. Maybe that one. Maybe scared you more. Yeah. That's a bummer. Because that pulls you out. It did pull me out a little bit. I felt like, oh, there's an actor playing this reptile alien as opposed to being all in there. Yeah. It just didn't matter. It just didn't matter. to me yeah got it by this guy altavar he wants some biomimetic gel which i had no idea that was such

a hot you know controlled substance when cork mumbled it i thought oh it's got to be bad whatever it is because he didn't say he like ran through that name really quick under his breath it was like okay that's bad no whatever that stuff is it's a i love arman's performance like those kind of details and nuance he doesn't just say the words to deliver the information to to the audience. He's taking those words. He could have said, yes, this guy wants biomimetic gel and been very clear about it. But he knows that this, I love what Armand did is, this is like asking for heroin or something. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's like, heroin. You know, he, yeah. I like the way he takes all of those circumstances and really makes it. Well, he's a good actor. Let's just say it.

I mean, that's his job and he did it well. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Not surprised. Bejir really, really wants to know why, why do you need this? And Altavar kind of snaps back. That's my business. But now that we've done the research, he should have said, because I want to recreate this 1972 Miami Dolphins who never lost the game. That's what he would have answered. That's what he would have answered. That's what he would have answered. That's why he needs a biomimatic gel to recreate the 1972 Miami Dolphins team. But did not happen. Yeah. Did not happen. Yeah. So he shuts it down on him. And actually, Bashir even reminds Ork, he says, you do know, even requesting or he asks, to try to try to buy it is a felony under star food law it's bad mm-hmm i do like the quark invites them to try his new bar menu he's like even in the situation of my failed drug drug deal he's like oh by the way you should try to you know come over to my place and eat don't have a snack we have a new lunch many yes exactly yes very funny very funny oh lord we go to the infirmary next and Bashir walks in and interrupts Altavar

who's trying to steal the gel it looks like from his from this you know all the medical supplies in there and they scuffle a little and Altavar uses his lightning hand I thought that was great that was awful yeah lightning hands to Bashir's head and then runs out and then Sid does an incredible Shatner fall to the ground I have to say yes he does yeah oh oh oh it went on for a while it was very shatner it was very deliberate and it was awesome

it was very 1966 star star star yeah it did it remind you that the whole show like yeah I love that lightning hands even scary music yeah the music was different this episode yeah I liked it a lot I liked this episode okay we're back in the infirmary after the opening credits Bashir wakes up the lights are flickering very strange There's static on the monitors. I like the static, by the way. It was like this graphic design. Yeah.

Wasn't it great? And it wasn't even. It was, there was definite destruction in the, in his lab. Yeah. Yeah. It felt like Twilight Zoni already. Yes. Twilight Zoni in there.

Yeah. Very slow opening. I love this opening, these long shots that didn't have cuts in them. Bashir's trying to clean up the infirmary. He hears voices out by the promenade. He pre-pee voices Reapie voices Heads out to the promenade

Nobody's there It was my voice Do you remember recording these voices? I could hear my voice I heard it I was for real? Oh that's me Yes

They must have had you guys do it in ADR Yeah Just record a bunch of different things Yep He sees his hair In a mirror There's like a table with a mirror Which I was like

What is a table The mirror just doing It was like set up Right It felt a little It was a kiosk. Yes. It was a kiosk.

It would have been better for me if he had seen like a panel for a replicate or something and seen his reflection. That would be cool. Yeah. A little more natural. Yeah. It felt like hair and makeup had left a table on set or something. Yeah. But it didn't register with me that he even noticed that it was gray for me.

Really? Oh, really? Yeah. I guess I missed that. Maybe I was writing a note. I watched it twice. I watched it last night. I watched it this morning.

Me too. But I still did that far. He notices the gray. gray. It's just a little bit of gray at the top. Yeah. Does he react to it with any concern? Yeah, he kind of touches it and is like confused. Yeah. Okay. And then he hears a crash over

by quarks. It goes into quarks. Sounds of you know, things being thrown and broken. Yeah, like plates and glasses. It sounded crazy. Yeah. I mean, when Bashir says, who's there? I was like, shh, don't say anything. I know. Why are you even doing

that? Because it's very scary. They set it up, Alex Singer, set it up really well. We're terrified. He didn't have a weapon or anything. He's just wanting around. I was thinking, he's so brave. Look at that. When you feel like you have agency, it's like, I'm going to go in there and who's in here? Yes. And it's dark and scary. I am not going to be that person. No. It's a classic, like, horror movie trope of like. Yes. Don't go in there. Don't go in there. Don't go in the house. I think that's also why Alex Singer had these long, sustained shots. It's very horrible.

It's very building the suspense. I love it. Scare you. Yeah. Yeah. But he finds quark behind the bar. Quark is terrified. That broke my heart. I know. It was like, Armin. Oh my God, Armin. Yes, it was so upsetting to see him so upset.

Yeah. He did such a great job. He tells Bashir he's going to kill us. If he's coming, he's getting closer, he's going to kill us, he's going to kill us. And then he runs, because a big noise is very close. by and Bashir looks up and sees like this furniture being thrown out of

the dark. Yeah. He just stands there for a second. You see like chairs and things coming out of the dark but you can't tell who's throwing it. So he follows quark. There was a weird cut. Like there was a shift and I wonder if that's because it's

we're in his mind. Maybe. I mean I know we haven't gotten to that spot yet but I think there are a couple of jarring ships, cuts smash cuts to different jump cuts where you're like i don't know where he is right now or why that just happened yeah it felt a little bit like there was one right here it felt like the prophets like when people go in to talk to the profits yeah it's all disjointed it's not connected it just what

exactly so that was on purpose it had been on purpose yeah so the first time we kind of have that effect happened where corks there and then suddenly he's bishers in a different space right yeah he's in the replica, I think. Yeah. Doesn't he go to the promenade first, though? No? It's not like he goes there. It's like he just sort of is there.

Does that make sense? Yeah, got it. Yep, totally. Jump cut out there. He sees the replicator malfunctioning. It looks like a coffee machine. Like we would have a, like you put your 50 cents in and get your cup of coffee. Yeah, it's just dripping, dropping.

Dripping, which didn't make logical sense to me with replicators. It was pouring. It was boring. Dispense. Exactly. They just make it matter. magically appear. So the fact that it was being dispensed, kind of confused. That's a good catch. Yeah, it didn't feel like a replicator. If it had been...

Well, it's broken. It's definitely broken, but if it had been coming out of thin air, like if they could have done a split screen to where it was being created out of thin air and then just falling, that would have made more sense. Yeah. Well, they spent money on different visual effects in this one. Oh, yeah. They definitely spent it on makeup on his makeup. Yes. On Victor's makeup. And SIDS. And SIDS changes. Yeah, all the change. Oh, that's a lot of makeup he had on.

And wigs. Yeah. Yep. Bashir tastes this, looks like coffee. He says it's Tarkalian tea. That's his favorite tea, I think. I think it is. Yeah.

He orders that a lot. Makes sense. Yep. He calls for the constable, heads to the security office. As he goes in, somebody grabs him, throws him against the wall. It's Garrick. And Garrick seems normal here, basically. To me, he looks younger.

I agree with you. I thought the same thing. He did look very young, especially in this first scene. Yes. Yeah. I don't know what they did. It was 32 years ago. Right.

But I'm not sure why they would. He was in his early 50s. Yeah. Maybe they made him look younger because he is such the pristine version of him in the mind, I guess, without age. Maybe somebody different did his makeup. Yes. Could have been that. Terry, that's probably the answer.

It's not like, yeah. Well, we go in the security office. Garrick's there. Garrick says the station has suffered this massive, massive system failure. Everything's broken. It looks like just Garrick, Bashir, and Quark are the only ones left. That's what Garrick says to him at this point.

He goes, maybe it's a virus. And he does comment on Bashir looking older in this scene, which, of course, is set up in that first scene with Bashir being so angry about turning 30s. You know, the theme of aging and things like that starts getting. getting hit on. But here, grab some phasers, though. He says, let's split up and try to find the others and we'll meet back here in an hour. And Garrick says, just try and relax. But, yeah, just relax. Everybody's dead. Good luck with that. Yeah. There's no light in the corridors

look super creepy. Which, by the way, I was like, oh, split up and we'll meet back here. Another classic horror movie trope. Yes. Not only a trope, horror movie mistake, Robbie. Mistake. Never split up. Never split. Never. We go out in a corridor, Bashir's walking along, opening all these doors, looking inside.

The lights are starting to go out behind him. You start seeing it like, as if the darkness is chasing him. Yeah. And he even shines a light into the darkness, but the light doesn't work. So that was definitely a visual effect. Because if he had an actual light,

it would have lit up the set. So they must have been creating this kind of weird, surreal, you know, force field kind of vibe. Right. Yeah. He backs up. It looks like he's at a dead end. There's a force field behind him. He can't go any further. And that's sort of our act out. You feel like, oh, no, Bashir's going to die. We come back and just before the dark is about to get him, he jumps into a turbo lift, shuts the door. But this is a moment, like you're talking about, this jump into the turbo lift, suddenly he's much older. Yeah. It's kind of jumps. So that's what I was going to talk about. The progression of age is per scene. Am I right? Every scene we see him in, he gets a little. A little bit older.

Yes. It got so, it happened so quickly that I felt like towards the end, even in the same scene, one, when they went to some, like, Garrick. Another part of the set. Yes. And then they popped back to look at Bashir. He was yet older again within the same scene. And I was like, what the heck?

Oh my gosh. So much. That's a lot of work. Oh, it's a lot of work. Oh, that's a lot of work. Well done, Mr. Westmore. Yeah. Absolutely.

But before the doors closed, that's when the left. And Kathy and tries to get in. You see his claws come in, the classic horror movie thing where it's strict pulling out. But Bashir does that little, you know, little kick. With this little kick. Big kick. That was a big kick. Yeah, big kick.

Knock those hands out. Get out of here. Yes. I was very proud of Sid. My confusion in the scene is that he starts to collapse, which I didn't think was necessary. Because I was like, wait, is he got a virus or what's going? Dr. Bashir, you mean? Yeah.

He collapses. He's about to like pass out. he looks up at the ceiling and the ceiling is smashing in. You think it's the Alibus. He's trying to break in. Yeah. But I didn't think he needed to pass out. I did it just, it's a little detail, but it confused me.

Like, is he sick or I don't know what's going on? No, my, okay, my take. What's your interpretation? I thought the minute he started doing that little wooziness, I thought, oh, okay. So this age thing is really kind of showing progression. That's how I took it too. He's just like, oh, man, I'm feeling it. You know, my bones are creaking and everything.

change. It's going so rapidly. And that's basically the progression in the coma, you know, spoiler. Basically, he's getting worse and worse. That's my... That morphing into the older person. Yeah. That makes sense to me. That's what I was thinking, too. That's the only thing I could buy. But it was a little weird. I'm like, are you, are you okay? Do you have an else? Yeah. Yeah. No, he's not okay. Look at him. Yeah, look at him. He's not okay. My God, definitely not okay. I wondered how they did the thumping on the ceiling. Like, if that was a piece of like sheet metal or something because that's a hard our sets were mostly made of like two by fours and wood

plywood and thing so they must have had to build a fake ceiling to get that effect of that do you think though maybe yes that it was pliable but the sound effects made it seem like it seemed right yeah maybe right because they can do a lot in the fully stage to make you don't know that what you're hearing and what you're seeing are not the same thing yeah maybe maybe with most things actually it's kind of interesting i did notice speaking of sound i didn't notice in this

episode a lot of times in some of the wider shots the actors were not on mic like there's a scene i don't know there's a couple times where i'm like why don't they get a microphone closer they sound very far away was very inconsistent i've noticed that in the last couple episodes and you don't think it was purposeful in this episode no i don't think so oh it's just you know usually you hear a very full yeah you know sound a there's a scene coming up where he overhears us when we're in another room you're not talking about that no not that

no no it's when people are in camera it would be like the difference between me right now being on mic or me over here yes it was that obvious yeah come on me there was a few times where I was like put the microphone close oh I hate that that sound I did too I did too like you just broke the fourth wall for me

I'm sorry totally yes exactly it does stop this turbo lift. He jumps out. Level H1, Section A, he says. And that's where he's at. Out in the corridor. We hear more voices. This is where some of those voices are off camera. We hear Dax. We hear O'Brien. Oh, that one. Yes. We're not whispering. We're arguing. Arguing. Yeah. So he heads towards the voices, goes in the ward room. And again, another age jump. He's completely gray when he walks in here so getting super old this is the scene I thought was Alan Craker not Alex singer okay because it was beautiful the handheld blocking how one actor would

take it you know the shot to the other actor very rare that kind of shooting on Star Trek as far as I know I love that kind of shooting I did too I love it feels like you're in the room yeah and Craker did that a lot Alan did that a lot that was his signature I would say and that was tough back then because Because even though they had this, the steady cams were relatively new. Mm-hmm. I think they were much heavier back then. I think so.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because they were carrying film. They're not carrying digital. Right. But there would be the operator and there would be the dude behind him holding the cable and guiding him as well because. Oh, my gosh.

It's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Usually that person behind was a grip. It was the key, sorry, the dolly grip usually because the dolly grip is used to working with the camera team to create the shots. And moving backwards. And moving.

And so, yeah, they're kind of the point person for the camera operator, whether it's on the dolly or whether it's steady cam. So, yeah, that would have been on our show, George Santa Pietro was our dolly grip. He was great. Yeah. What was interesting about George is George was a bigger guy. Like he could be like a offensive tackle, a football player, definitely. So he had the strength to do it.

But when he did it, he did it with such finesse. it honestly looked like ballet to me like he would do these things where he would push it and then he'd kind of lightly go on one foot and twirl and it was the most amazing thing to watch because he was strong yeah we're in the wardroom

everybody's bickering they're trying to find a solution to the system shutting down this is that great shot that feels like Alan Craker but was really Alex Singer they talk about needing to stop the Lethian this guy Altavar they point out to Bashir that he looks much older so but nobody

is acting like themselves. They're really, really beckering. It's O'Brien, right? He's the only one that points it out. He's a nervous now. Brian says, he says, except you're hearing voices and you've aged about 30 years the last few hours, is what he says.

Which is very funny. And he's the only one that says it after that. Well, Bashir tells them he wants to fix all these internal sensors. Maybe that'll help him find out what's happening. Miles says he can do it, but he's not going to go alone. you know so they all head out together i made a little note here as this story developed i realized oh this is all i'm starting to realize by this scene that oh this is all in bishir's head right

you do start to feel like oh this is a either a dream or this is in his head yeah i wish alex singer and i love alex singer he did a great job in a lot of ways but i think what would have helped the story a lot is if he had visually found a way to to shoot it as if the whole stories happening in Bashir's point of view. So a filter? Like a filter? Not really that. More like how...

See it from his eyes. Yeah, like for example, shoot close and wide on Sid. You know, use a wide angle lens and always, always in every scene have one shot that's close, clean, and wide of Sid looking around and then maybe

the same lens turned around looking at people. So you felt like this is Bashir's point of view. This is his experience. Okay. I'm with you. But it was shot a little more

conventionally and so it felt like we were in this what I would call more of an objective experience meaning kind of an audience at a play. We weren't in Bashir's subjective experience. We were more in this kind of wide god. Watching the whole thing unfold. Watching the whole thing. And it would have helped to be in Bashir's point of view

a little hard. Yeah. I can see what you're saying. Yeah. I understand. what you're saying and I can imagine it. I think that's a great idea. I feel like if David Livingston directed this episode, for example, I think he would have, you know, grabbed onto that part of the story, you know, in a strong way. Yeah. Yeah. We go to Cargo Bay next. Miles was working

on the sensors. It's burned out. He says subspace communications, the best they can do. They're still bickering. I love this Bickersons. It's so funny to me. I liked it too. I bet it was fun for you guys, too to break character a little bit and like all ready to be a hot head yeah miles gets the subs subspace sensors working communication sensors and there is an audio signal and uh we hear daks in this audio signal from the other side we hear dach say he's in a coma that he's dying bashear is dying bashir scans himself here and he says he picks up low frequency delta wave so he diagnosis himself. Yes, I'm in a coma. That's how we go out of that act. So he's in a coma. This is all basically in his head. So now we for sure know. Yeah. Yeah. We know we're in kind of a

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Back in the Cargo Bay, Bishir tells the team that they don't have any life signs at all. I love how Kira gets really pissed. They're really pissed about all this and irritated. He's like, you guys are acting strange, so strange. You're not yourselves. And he goes, aha, that's because you're not real. That's why you're all grumpy. He says, you're not real.

You represent parts of myself. And that's where he goes and lists. like he says Akira you're the perfect choice for my aggression Odo you represent my suspicion and fear. Dax you've always represented confidence and a sense of adventure. That's what

you represented Terry. Thank you. I love that. I loved mine. Mine was a good one. Your so was a good one. O'Brien was not that good. No. Debt and disbelief. Yes. And I love I love how Dr. Bashir in

with O'Brien and with Garrett Garrick he says I don't like this version of you yes that was a great line

that was a great line yeah yeah I don't like this version of you yeah suddenly Dax is grabbed by this

Lethian guy this lizard with the teeth not cool not cool Bashir bangs on the door to try to get to her

he's saying Jad Zia yelling for Jad Zia He did some kind of move like he's banging, and then that banging movement turned into a tennis racket. It's like a dream thing. We're like, wait, where did we just go? Yeah. And again, and not a shot at Alex Singer, but I think if there had been a consistent style to those transitions, for example, if the camera was in front of Bashir and he starts to swing, and as he swings, it swoops behind him and we're in a new place.

You could have done that every. Yeah, use the motion to change the location. It would have helped rather than just a jump cut. I agree. Yeah. And then I feel like it would have made a little more sense rather than feel like disorienting the way that the jump cuts. Well, then it would have been more stylized, right? Visually, when a movement or a gesture takes you to another place, it helps your mind go to that place.

Yes, exactly. Well, Bashir's playing tennis with Garrick Which was so weird Super weird I was trying to figure out How did they do the tennis playing Like was it Viz effects tennis balls Because that would have been a mess on your promenade

All these balls Because they were hitting in their coverage They were hitting ball after ball after ball Are they both tennis players? Are they really tennis players? They are I was very impressed I was like, good job to Andy and to Sid

This also goes back to Bashir's backstory where he talked about wanting to be a tennis pro and then he went into, which comes up again later. Comes up again. Yep. But that's why it's tennis in this scene is because they're going back to the part of his life.

Backstory, yeah. Yeah. For sure. They're playing tennis. Sorry, Bashir feels much too old now. He's getting older every scene, as we said. Yeah. We've stopped commenting on it,

but just assume every time we change scenes, he gets a little older. Yeah. It's interesting. that in this entire scene, you never see the net except for one shot, right? It's pretty much there back and forth. One shot, you pull back, and it's a tiny little net just strung across the corridor. It's the size of a pickleball.

You know, nap pickleball is all the rage now. It's a smaller tennis court, basically. And that's what it looked like to me, a little pickleball court. Yeah, I wonder why they picked the promenade as opposed to emptying out a cargo bay and do it there. That would have, I think, made a little more sense. Money? Was it money? Yeah. Or we could have already had sets that they could have been building for the next show.

Yeah. So it was taken. The space was not available. Yeah. It feels like a choice that was probably a compromise and not the ideal place to put a tennis racket. Exactly. Yeah. But Garrick says, you've got to get to ops.

That's where you can fix all of this. Get to ops. You need to repair things there. Bashir tells Garrick to let the others know. to meet him in ops that he wants everybody up there. So Bashir heads there. He turns a corner in a corner and people are injured all. It's the first time we've seen people.

Yeah. Yeah. Like background people. A lot of them, everybody's on the floor, injured, hurt. And Cisco very competently is tending to these people. He sounds like a doctor. And Bashir says, oh, you represent my professionalism and my skill. So he asked Cisco to come to ops with him, but as Cisco gets up and starts to head towards him, suddenly the magic arm, lightning hands through the, through the wall, pull his Cisco through the wall.

I'm like, where do you go? Yeah. It's the lightning hands. So, so what have we learned? So the first thing to go was Dax, his confidence. His second thing to go is Cisco, his professionalism. So that's the correct. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, his confidence and then his skill and professionalism. Interesting. Yeah. Bashir runs to try to find out where Cisco got pulled to, runs into Altavar. I keep wanting to say Avatar.

Let's say Avatar from now on. Avatar. No, don't do that. It's confusing to the poor people that are listening. They're just like, what the heck? Don't change his name. Altavar, not to be confused with James Cameron's avatar. Altavar is there.

Bashir tries to phaser him. Nope, then work. Altavar says he wants to watch Bashir wither piece by piece. And then once he's withered away, he will finally destroy him. Bashir's terrified and takes, runs for it. Runs off. If you call that a run, he hobbles away, right? He hobbles away.

He's getting old, yes. And he says, Al-Tabar says, you can run if you want to, but you can't outrun death. It does seem like Bashir, I don't know how Bashir's going to get out of this. It doesn't seem like he's got much of a chance here at this point in our story. He rounds another corner, much older again. He finds Kira basically dying. She's about to die on the floor. We see Odo, melting.

She looks bad. She looks dead, actually. Yeah. At the end, she does. I think she was dead when he goes back to her. So he sees her first, then goes to Odo, who's melting in Tegu. Yeah. And Odo says you've got to get to ops.

Use the conduits to get there if you have to. And then Bashir goes back and it looks like Kira's dead at that point. Wait a minute. You're saying when he first sees her, she's alive and the second time she's dead. She was moving. Was she? I thought she was moving her make any move. Oh, does she?

Well, she had her eyes open, too. Her eyes opened and her mouth open. That was dead. That's dead. That looked dead to me. But I thought she was like that in the beginning, too, that she was like. Yeah, she was. Thank you.

Oh, okay. I was just hoping she was a lot. You're hoping she. Okay. Okay. All right. I love how you wrote really old Bashir, but then the other notes called a wrinkly Bashir. Rinkley Bashir is kind of fun too.

All the things. So Odo told him to take the conduits. We cut inside a conduit. He's climbing down a ladder and finds O'Brien down there. But I had this, like, sense memory watching him climb down the ladder. We had one little section of our, by engineering, that had a ladder and some tubes and things. I love shooting scenes there as an actor. It was always fun to climb.

You feel like you're really on a ship, you know? Yeah. Pretend becomes really easy. Yeah, totally. When you have all the, we have the toy guns, you have the toy, this, that, and the other thing. It's the only thing you can't do is say, bang. Exactly. Bashir climbs down this ladder. He finds Miles. Miles is not very empathetic in this. He literally says you look dead already. Yeah. You look like death. What does he say? You've got one foot in the grave already.

Yeah, you look like you're one foot in the grave already. But Bashir continues. He's not giving up. Miles follows him. But doesn't have much confidence in him. Of course not because he represents his fear and doubt, right? That's who O'Brien is. He's not letting go with that. No. Nope. In the infirmary, I think. He sees himself in a monitor and he sees an image of himself healthy or, you know, in real life. And he sees his vital signs. And much younger. Much younger. And he's dying for sure. Same graphics as the original series, too, with the little moving up. Very simple. Oh, really? Yeah. But she says, I'm dying. And O'Brien goes, I could have told you that just by looking at you. It's just his read of that line made me laugh. Yeah. Very funny. He's hilarious.

We go into Quarks next. There's a big crowd in here. They're around a dobbot table. It looks like. Bashir walks over. He takes a look. It's him. It's him on like a bed where the dabbo table was basically dead.

He's unconscious. He looks desiccated. He looks like a vampire sucked all his energy out. And those lights. Lights are super heavy. Yeah. Quark wants to know if Bashir wants to bet on how much longer. Does he want a wager?

How much longer he's... Is that awful? Such an awful moment. Yeah. And you never thought Quark was going to get out of that little puddle he was in. And he gets up and he's awful. Yes. It's just awful.

But it's similar to earlier during the drug bust going bad when he's like, hey, there's a new lunch menu. It's very similar to that. That same theme happening. He takes these turns that are hard turns. Yes. Well, Bashir still has hope. He thinks it's possible. And then he looks over and suddenly, O'Brien's laying on that.

the bed there instead of him and o'brien's dead and quark says all bets are off never mind and uh suddenly he gets grabbed by a hand altavar is there uh basheer runs oh brian turns into altavar right robbie it doesn't isn't he on the bed where he grabs he's the one on the bed yes that's yeah exactly it's alzavar yeah Yeah. So it was, first it was Bashir, dying. Then it was O'Brien dead. And then from the bed, Altavar's hand grabs quark and says, everybody loses. Right. Well, I need to ask both of you this. I remember. Both of you this question. When you saw O'Brien's body on the table, how did you interpret that? Why is his body on the table? I think these are the parts of Bashir that are dying. Yeah. Yeah. So his doubt is killing. Part of his mind.

is dying right now and that O'Brien that O'Brien part is dying. Okay. Yes. Well, that's why he says there's a chance. He's not giving up. So that's putting his doubts. Doubt and disco. Yes. Very good. You know what I mean? Uh-huh. Go out to the promenade.

Garrick's there. And Garrick says it was a good time while good game while it lasted. It's like, is it a good game? This is not a good game. Eric. Not my favorite game. Wouldn't be my favorite game, no. I was even thinking like, is Garrick doing all

this at this point in the in the story i'm like yeah is this garrick why is garrick so okay that's what my brain was like trying to figure out and who did he represent yeah i know so when we get to that later i was just like yes yes i love that scene what pull me out is when he falls he says he's broken his hip you can't walk but yet he gets garrick to assist him and he's walking kind of okay i'm pretty sure if you break your hip you're done am i right there's no walking Yeah, especially later. Later, because there are people that when you break something and you don't really realize, it's like it's just really sore and I can't figure it out, right?

That happened to a friend of mine who ended up having to have surgery on her hip. But right away, she didn't know. I think it was like the next day. Right. So it's not excruciating pain. It's just maybe a dull pain. I have to say I agree. I wish he wouldn't have said he broke his hip because.

that bothered me that he suddenly was fine. But then I thought, is this about it being in his mind? Yes. We shouldn't even have those conversations with ourselves when we're watching it. We go to ops. Garrick's helping, uh, Bashir to come in. He cuts the door open with a phaser.

I like that little effect. You see from inside the light, the phaser light kind of lighting it up. But yeah, they walk in. It's decorated for a surprise party. This is where Adabo girl sings happy birthday, kind of like Marilyn Monroe.

is she was great she was great yeah this amazing looked amazing voice this scene reminded me of the movie all that jazz uh with roy shider who i i love that film um yeah is it when he's when he's dying yeah when he's dying and the musical numbers happen it's all trippy oh yeah what a great film yeah i want to see that again now i wish they had gone further with the all that jazz kind of vibe in the scene. It would have been great to have a musical number and like full on. Right? Yeah. Okay. Musical theater wins. Yes. And then and then Bashir tries to open a panel to fix it, but these tennis balls, a ton of tennis balls fall out of the panel. Yeah, because he tells them, I don't have time for this. He has got to. What I found curious was when he said about

taking correspondence courses, the engineering correspondence courses. Extension courses. I thought of UCLA extension catalogs. It was just like, what the heck? This guy does everything. Everything. You guys remember the learning annex? Yeah. I took a course about Starship Engineering through the learning annex, actually. That's kind of what it sounded like. It did. It did. So I'm sorry, that was right before the tennis balls. And then Garrick doesn't want to help him. Garrick doesn't want to help him. want to help him and Bashir's like, wait a minute, you don't represent any part of me. You don't belong here. You don't belong. And he goes, you don't belong here. Meaning like, I love that. I did too. I was wondering if that was Sid's choice to do that or if it was written because it was

so great. Just that tap to his forehead. Yeah. The inclusion of the tennis ball is falling. And the Dabo girl who sings were designed to add humor to the final scenes in Bashir's mind. Iris Steven Baer commented. At the end of the story break, we started thinking about Merrill Merlin Monroe singing happy birthday to JFK, we said, what's in the mind of Julian Bashir? Well, the mind's a chaotic thing, and we've always played as a bit of a rake. So we felt we needed a pretty woman. At such a serious moment, a life and death moment, it was a nice juxtaposition. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was. I still think they should have gone full all that jazz. Exactly. With an audience applauding him and Ben Verlien doing a number, it would have been great.

It could have been all the people from the promenade just. standing around ops. Yeah. It could have been a full meal, but all we got was an appetizer. We got an appetizer. But I want to mention Sid's

physicality in this. At this point, it's like he's 150 years old. Yeah. And how he is moving, he did such a great job because this is really a huge task to have to be aging

like he's aging. Absolutely. And being physical, constantly moving. I think he did a really excellent job in the show and this especially that he looked like he you could have broken him like a twig yeah yeah in this last part in ops where it's just like oh my god this poor man can't even

like he was taking the tiniest steps yeah yes yeah he looks so fragile sid playing old age oh so good it was believable that's the bottom line when we watch it we believe he's old right now and he's old as dirt in this scene and he's older than dirt in the next scene we believe it all yeah Well, this is when Sid, when Bashir realizes that Garrick doesn't belong here. What's up with that? You're not really supposed to be here. And he says, who are you? He trans, Garrick transforms into Altavar, who basically says, yep, this has been fun, but now you need to give up like you always do.

And he kind of goes through all these things he gave up on, the tennis and the medical school, being first in class, gave up on your crush on Latif. 10 attacks. You didn't even try. I have to say about this sequence, because it's such a key to like the climactic moment of this episode, I wish that Alex Singer or the actors had paced this up 10 times faster. Yes, I agree. All these things, it's like Altavar, when he finally reveals himself, should have come, like, just knockout punch. Hamered. Here's one and here's one. And here's another thing you did. Here's another thing. Should have just overwhelmed Bashir. But instead it was this, it was played very slow. This is my one biggest

complaint. This thing. Yeah. Yeah. That it's so slow that it loses the... Takes the air. Momentum. Yeah. Because all the ideas are great. Yeah. And Sid's done a great job and Alex Singer did a great job.

Like, it's building to this, but then suddenly all the air. Yeah, you're right. So it's building to this crescendo, but then it goes flat for you, Robbie. Yeah. It doesn't... And for the audience, basically, because it does not. It just draws out it's long it's long it's a long scene on paper but it's it's played 10 times longer yeah like that could have been done on the move like started out in ops and then as he's figuring out you know

he's figured out now this is um altavar then he should be on the move right away so yeah even as altavar saying all this stuff to him instead of pacing in ops he should be on the move he could have been chasing him He could have been chasing him through the corridors. Yes. It would have been better to have chasing him very slowly. Yeah, through the corridors. Yeah, but at least it would have been on the move. Yes.

Or pushing him in a wheelchair. Oh, there you go. There you go. Or he has a wheelchair that's a mechanical wheelchair. So he's speeding away from him in the wheelchair. Exactly. Can we just talk very quickly about the little bit about the pre-ganglionic fiber and post-ganglionic nerve? Sure.

That little talk right there is in reference to a very early C. in one episode where Bashir talks about how he messed up his final Oh, really? Yeah, that's the one question that he messed up on his exam was that thing. So they referred to that but the reason why they brought this back, yes, is because of Robert

Hewitt Wolf's wife, Celeste. Oh, really? Celeste pressured her husband, writer Robert Hewitt Wolf, because according to Wolf, ever since Bashir first told that story, his wife had been bugging him to do something about it Because in reality, a pre-ganglionic fiber and a post-ganglionic nerve really are completely different.

And as Celeste, a pre-vete, she was going to go into a veterinary profession, pointed out, no one would ever mix them up. As such, Wolf later explained having Altavar point this out was my way of saying, well, okay, to my wife, Celeste. Well, that's funny. Love it. That's very funny. I love it. Very funny. He had a pebble in her shoe.

Yes, she did. She was right, too. And they handle it here because Altavar says, even a pre-med, even the stupidest, you know, first-year med student would never make that mistake. Would never make that mistake. Exactly. We go to the infirmary next. Bashir realizes that this is the place that he can fix all of this is in the infirmary.

So he's gaining some confidence here. And as he gains confidence in the scene, the lights stop flickering. And as he tells Altavar, he, that, you know, you don't know me half as well. well as you think you do, every part that looks like he gave up was a choice that he wouldn't trade for anything. So everything that Altavar was saying, here's evidence of how you give up on everything. He's saying being on Deep Space 9 on the station, I wouldn't trade this for the world. And if I'd been first, I wouldn't be here. You know, this assignment is perfect. My friendship with Dax, I treasure that. I wouldn't want anything more than that. It's wonderful.

And he basically is starting, now the tables of turn, his confidence, he's appreciating his life instead of looking at it. Maybe like he did in that first scene with Garrick. Like, you're getting older and I haven't done things. I haven't, didn't do the things that I intended to do. He's kind of saying, no, this is exactly how my life turned out is exactly what I would want. I don't. Isolates Alvatar in a quarantine field and tells the computer to sterilize it. So Altavar evaporates.

Woohoo. As he evaporates, we cut to the present in the infirmary. Our handsome young Bashir wakes up looking good, Sid. Yeah, and this is another moment. I think there could have been a nice POV of like the transition from the dream into this moment. It was just a cut to. I got it, but I wish there'd been a little visual style of that I think could have been cool. Yeah.

From his point of view, seeing our faces. Yeah, 100%. Distant Voices won the Emmy Award for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Makeup First series. It beat Voyager Faces. Wow. Which is the Roxanne Dawson one, right?

Oh, that's... Which was nominated in the same category. Michael Westmore commented, I think that the old age makeup was a selling card to winning. Although Altavar, the Lethian, was really interesting because his makeup was different

from anything we had ever done before. We talked about his makeup already. But still, it was the old age makeup. Oh, it was very well done. It really was. Yeah. It really was.

So many Emmys for Star Trek from these years of Star Trek. Yeah. I wonder how many Michael Westmore have. Especially behind the camera. But it's funny that it won and it beat out Voyager. It was the other company, it was the other, you know, competitor. And the episode, you mentioned, Faces was a great makeup episode because it was the Videans, I think, right? It was all the organ harvesting

Yeah The Vidaeans Yeah Very cool makeup Well our very last scene is in the replemate Back to Bashir and Garrick I did like that they switched seats Like a very simple change

But the seats that they were in In the first scene They switched now they're in each other's seats So that you know It shows in a metaphoric way That Bashir's changed his perspective I like that Nice detail

Bashir Phil Skirikin on the whole thing We learned that lethean We learned that lethean telepathic attacks Are almost always fatal I was like oh like a snake bite Kind of sounds like Yeah It was kind of a snakey-looking thing

And you got a snake lightning hands Is what it was Yeah Yeah It would have been weird if he bet him Then we would have been thinking Was he a vampire? Yeah

No he's just lightning hands Magic hands Garek sort of points out how interesting it is that the people that Bishir really knows in real life represented different parts of himself but he says you know

you cast me as the villain I wonder why and Bishir sort of blows it off oh don't read too much into that and Garek's final line there says you know you still don't trust me but there's hope for you yet so he enjoys being

mysterious I think a bit Oh, 100% enjoys it, but he also likes the game of trying to earn his trust too, so. Yeah. One final bit of trivia.

Andrew Robinson likened the version of Garrick imagined by Bashir to the Carl Young archetype of the magician, commenting, there is a major sort of magical turn that happens that involves Garrick.

Robinson continued by comparing the magician to the usual version of Garrick, pointing out that whereas the magician is the great manipulator of spatial elements and can rearrange appearances in such a way that they look a certain way, but they're really, but they're not really. Garrick is totally a subtextual, subtextual character, because everything he is really saying is on the subtextual level. Interesting. Yeah. I love that he used Jungian archetypes. For sure.

You talked about Jungian stuff earlier in a fire episode. In another episode. Yes, we did. Yeah. I love that. Everybody read a little about Carl Jung. He's a pretty smart guy. Cool stuff.

My lesson is who we really are is deeper than just the surface level things that have happened to us in life. Which, you know, often, I think, you know, when you first meet somebody, often, what's the first thing you say? Oh, nice to meet you. What do you do? it's it's what's happened to you oh what do you do instead of hey tell me about your hopes and dreams tell me who you really you know nobody dives in that deep right away we are so much more than just whether we played tennis or not sure the things that Bashir that have happened to him so far in his life he's so much more than that and so we're all of us that's that's my lesson

okay um Terry what is your theme lesson or moral for this episode well I thought I I don't tell me what you think but I couldn't help but think that he was you have to stick up for yourself never give up on yourself he never gave up on himself he was trying to figure it out and he was always fighting for

his own justice and his own life and I mean it was really kind of remarkable how he figured it all out you know so you know smart guy but I think that that's what rang to me just don't give up on yourself

specifically yourself yeah great that's great that's actually a very good lesson perfect uh mine would be to the minute someone brings their hands up like this near your head you need to run because that's the beginning of lightning hands so do not succumb to lightning hands or wrap your head in tinfoil to repel the lightning yes i don't know it might just intensify that the aluminum effect on your head. Maybe. We have enough hard metals move and throw

with that. Very funny. Very funny. The winner of our Patreon poll for the theme moral of the episode is submitted

by Feroza Meta. Strength comes from facing your fears and believing in your own abilities. Nice. Yeah. Great.

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