The Delta Flyers - Dragon's Teeth

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Dragon’s Teeth. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Dragon’s Teeth:Escaping from a powerful armada, Janeway and her crew take shelter on a desolate planet where they find a slumbering warrior race.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, Brannon Braga, & Bryan FullerAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Daniel de Rooy, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lori Tharpe, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Brandon May, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Jeremy Mcgraw, Jason Bonnett, Ali S, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Susan V. Gruner, Andrew Evans, & Michael DismukeAnd our Producers:James Amey, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Chloe E, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Species 2571, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Scott Lakes, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Craig M. Nakashian, Will Forg, Max Wilson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Jordan Marie Benko, Christian Koch, & Lisa GunnThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry, as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager, your two hosts along this journey, are my fellow trick actor, who also is an amazing director, and he also portrayed the character of Milt Elliott on the 1994 TV movie, One More Mountain, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. I know we've already introduced you like that, but I love that credit so much. I had to introduce you. again with that same what is the name milt milt milt elliott was your character's it's two first names yes when i was the name to me a two first name character when i was in high school i don't know if you ever heard this have you ever heard the caveat don't ever trust anyone with two first names no but i my character was very trustworthy he was he wanted he wanted uh what's her name to just take a bite of him please eat me yes yes yeah So you are the anomaly. You are the, your character was the one trustworthy, two first-name people.

Yes. Yes, that's true. And I apologize for all those two first-name people out there. This is just something I heard in junior high. So, you know, silly, silly junior high stuff. Silly, silly. Yeah. Silly?

Yeah, isn't it funny how people get like, they hear something once like a phrase, you know, whatever. Don't eat green M&Ms or something. You know, green M&Ms are going to make you feel, you know. Like it's sexy time. I remember hearing that. That's right. They make you like, oh, my God, green. Right.

That's what they said. Yes. Yes. And then you'd never forget it. Even though it's absolutely bananas. It's not true at all. Right. How can green food coloring make you feel like you're in the moon for love?

But you think you hear this when you're a kid or you're younger and it sticks with you. Two first names are bad luck or whatever. It sure does, right? What makes no sense. Step on a crack, break your mother's back, like things like that. It's just like, huh? I don't know. Okay, I just want to ask you, there's a, there's a craze going on, a sensation on TikTok.

It's this little kid who's probably like four and he's called the corn kid. Have you heard this? Have you seen this? No. This kid's like, I like corn. And he's like, it has juice before when I didn't know corn was real. I mean, just this kid is talking about corn. All about corn.

I love corn, by the way. I'm a big fan of corn. Well, okay. So you and the corn kid would be friends. No. But he has a cameo now as the corn kid. Like he's doing cameos as well. He's how popular he is.

How old is he? How old do you think he is, Megan? He's four. Yeah, I'm right. He's four years old. You know, he can't pronounce his ars very well because he says corn like that, corn. Like, you know, little kids can't enunciate that well. Yeah.

And he is a celebrity now. And I just wondered if you had heard about him. him i have not heard of the corn kid okay and he says he says stuff like have you ever seen anything more beautiful than corn i mean he's so into corn and at the end he he says have a quontastic day he says to the reporter that's interviewing him it's just it's the best amazing all right i'm gonna look at the corn kid okay i just want to throw that out there okay he's seven he's seven we should have gotten like you know back when we made star trek voyager yeah there was no TikTok or Instagram or anything, but it would, you know, I think we should, like the new Star Trek

should try to get some of these internet celebrities on as like a little guest star roles because they're, why not? Yeah. It's happening. It's how you do one kid on a planet. Yeah. And he can be on a planet somewhere. He can't be. But they, I mean, that trend is already happening a little a bit. There are, I think you have, there are already examples of TikTok or YouTube celebrities who have kind of gone into the, you know, the world of film and TV where they've been cast in roles in high, high profile projects also. So it's happening. It's happening. So the corn kid can have a future in Hollywood. I will sleep better tonight, knowing the corn kid is not going to starve. You might need him on Resident Alien. You know,

exactly exactly there you go uh well we're back after a long time yeah we both even though the fans hear this every week sometimes we have to record ahead of time yes we get busy or so we've had a long break you but we've both been pretty busy but we did bank yes we we pre-recorded and banked episodes knowing that we were both going to be busy you i just ended back-to-back conventions uh the las Vegas one and also DragonCon, which was very tiring. And you are embroiled in the midst of directing a very, very difficult action-filled episode, which is tiring you to no end. You are exhausted.

I know you are. Yeah, I'm a little tired these days, but, you know, that's showbiz. That's showbiz. It is. So must go on. That's what they say. It must go on. Okay.

So this week's episode is Dragon's Teeth. I like that. Dragon's Teeth. Okay. All right. Let's go watch this episode and we'll be right back. And for those of you, Patreon, patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material. All right, everyone, Robbie and I are back from watching Dragon's Teeth.

Yes, we are. Let's start off with our poetry. Let's get our poetry synopsis. Let's do. Okay. Yes. Here's my hykoo for Dragon's Teeth. Okay.

Last Vadwar revived. They're not who we thought they were. Janeway outsmarts gall. Nice. I think you summarized it very well. Thank you. Your syllabic version. Okay.

Here's the limerick for Dragon's Teeth. Goes a little something like this. Voyager finds a subspace super highway, but the vaudevary may be their doomsday. Neelix reads some old books. seems the vaudeau are crooks. It's Talaxian folklore that saved the day. Nice.

Yeah. I like it. Yeah, I kind of focused in on Neelix's story. It's good. I think it was important. Neelix was important. If it wasn't for him looking at the, be suspicious of these guys. We would have been tough.

Their history, he got Janeway thinking and it saved the day. He did. He gets a limerick. All right. How about guest stars? Okay, so first of all, we've got teleplay by Michael Taylor, Brandon Braga, and Joe Manoski. Story was by Michael Taylor.

So I guess Michael sort of pitched it out or had the general idea and then they all wrote it. And our good friend Rick Colby directed. Oh. I was surprised to see his name because we've talked about a lot. I kept thinking he was done by like season five with us. No, he really wasn't. He kept coming in and sprinkling.

in an episode or two. So, yeah, so Rick, Rick directed this one. And guest star-wise, we had a bunch of them, starting with Jeff Allen, who plays Gedron, thought he did a great job. I thought all the guest stars were great in this episode. Jeff Allen played Gedron. Jeff's first job as an actor that I could find was the daytime serialized soap opera drama, The Doctors.

This was around 1980. I couldn't find exactly his date. But it was, I put down 1980 because that soap opera ran from like 1965 to the early mid-80s. It was a long, long-running soap. Yeah. He came late in it. But the doctors. Okay.

And then we have Rob Nepper who played Gaul, the evil bad guy, military bad guy. The general or whatever. Yeah. Rob Nepper's best friends with a good friend of mine, Steve Caffrey, who, yeah, I've known Rob Nepper for a long, long time. not super well, but Rob's a great actor, done a ton of work. The first thing I could find that he did was the TV show, The Paper Chase. Oh. And that was in 1986.

Hey, is Rob Nepper the same actor that was in prison break? Is that right? Exactly. Oh, I know. I've met him before. He's actually a really nice guy. Very nice guy. Yeah, good actor.

Huh. Yeah, that's Rob Nepper. Okay. And then we had Scarlet Palmer's came back as Naomi Wildman. excited to see her name on our show again. I always love when Naomi's on the show. We had a few more guest stars, Ron Fasler, who played Morin. And his first job was a movie called Senior Trip in 1981,

the classic Senior Trip, 1981. We also had Mimi Craven, who played the wife, I guess. And Gisa. Gisa is the character. Her first job was a movie called Swamp Thing. Oh, wow. Probably a remake of the old B movie. Yeah.

1984. She was a secretary or something in Swamp Thing, the movie. And the last guest star we have is Bob Stillman played Trey. And he was in Allegra's Window, a kid show in 1994 was his first job. Oh, my goodness. Allegra's window must have been some Disney channel or PBS show or something like that. Okay. So there we go.

There's our guest stars. I like it. So he's the last one was the Toure commander, right? Yes, I think so. Okay. Yeah. Wow. That's a lot of guest stars.

Typically, we don't have that many. Yeah, it was a lot. All right. Okay. All right. So the first thing we see is this planet exterior shot. Mm-hmm. And it's a planet that is getting attacked by.

some kind of weapons or torpedoes or flying him from the sky. It's just getting destroyed. I did feel like, as I saw that first planet exterior, it was a little old school looking. It reminded me of, you know, Dan Curry did an amazing job, our whole team, but a lot of the stuff we were doing on our show was still rooted in very old school, you know,

Viz effects. It was hand-painted backgrounds and things like that. And I thought this one was, it just reminded me like I think about now on your phone you can use instagram filters and have more sophistication than we had on our show in some ways you know computers and all of that have it's just been a game changer the kind the detail and the the resolutions and the way that you can build digital exterior planets in ways that you just couldn't back when we were making the show and so ours was it just reminded me that we were like

one of the last, we were in that last era of the old school techniques before everything just started changing. So that, that, yeah, that was the planet shot that we saw. Yeah. And not only is it much more advanced now, but it's much cheaper to do all the, all the backdrops and whatever that you see in current projects. So, yeah, cheaper and easier to do. So yeah, okay. Well, the Instagram thing is just to me like that's everybody can relate to how quick you can make yeah a photo look like whatever you want it to look like you just hit a button boom boom boom and it wasn't that way back then so yeah anyway we go to the cave we go to the cave sets they've redress them yeah but but that being said let me just just on the cityscape it's very advanced just just to say you know it's not

some neolithic or caveman you know society it's a very very tech city high tech city high tech It's advanced species, just to, you know, make that notation. Yeah, that's what the people we're looking at. And then we go underground and we're in some tunnels and there's technology and it looks like a, you know, a bomb shelter of some kind and they're being caverned. And it's a redress of our cave sets. It's the cave sets that we always use. Of course.

Put in some technology and there they are. And we see some aliens. millions running for their lives. I did feel like the female, the wife in this scene as they're running for cover. She looked like a 1960s flight attendant. Like with the hairdo, I don't know, this alien makeup, the skirt right around the knees. It was just, it was very like TWA, M.M. Airlines. It was kind of flight attendant vibe.

Yeah. So, yeah, it focuses on GISA. She's running through calling out GEDRIN. Edron. She does avoid all the debris that's falling and she does find him. And he tells her that 37 biopods are damaged. And he says, look, you know, these are the last two biopods, ours. We're going to go ahead and get into, we're going to go into stasis. And we hear a number five years. That's how long he tells her. It's going to be like you go to sleep and you're going to wake up. It'll be five years later. Everything will be fine. And that is the end of that scene.

Yes. And the biopods, by the way, look. oddly similar to the Starfleet biobeds that we use on our ship. I was like, oh, they just put some other bleakies on this. It's the same biochriostasis chambers that we've seen on our ship. Sure. The control interface is new, but the actual biopod itself is reused. We're on the bridge now, and Kim says that we've entered some kind of subspace corridor. Paris says that we were cruising at Warp 6 when this,

thing pulled at our warp field like a magnet. So we got sucked into this corridor. Yeah. And we saw it just before we go to the bridge, we see Voyager flying through these tunnels that have all kinds of debris in them. So we know we're in something, you know, unstable and strange. It's not normal space.

It's not normal. Seven says that some of the debris is over 800 years old. Janeway asked Paris to get us out of there. And Paris is like, it's amazed. It's just tunnels and tunnels. and tunnels and but we do come across another vessel in the corridor and by the way she says you know find find a way out of here and and there's tunnels and tunnels and tom says i don't know

there's so many tunnels and she says be a good rat and find us the cheese wow i anyway yeah i reference that in my my video reactions yeah how kind of rude that was i in the way she said that to Tom I was like what the where's that coming from so yeah it was an odd line for her to use with it is it is it was almost belligerent in a way and it was like what uh I don't think Tom's in trouble he's not in the brig so I don't know what you're talking about like that so yeah it's a little weird but we do get a hail from another vessel they're making contact it belongs to a race we learn called the Toray right and um he says that this under space belongs to us and I've never heard that expression this under space which made me think of underwear but you know it's just a very

weird term that they used for sure yeah but it's their place and janeway says hey um we're here by accident can you help us get out and the way that the the actor who plays the taray commander it sounded like he was like oh yeah i'll help you get it made it it's it almost seemed like he was going to attack us really when i was watching this yes it did yeah he uses a resonance pulse to push voyager out the Toure vessel also follows us out and then they hail us we have a further conversation Janeway says thank you so much and the Toray commander basically says okay we're going to board you now and Chacote is like what why well you can't have any of that information from your sensors of inside our well this the information the reason that's important to us is we just flew 200 light

years in five minutes which is huge it's huge so for Voyager what just happened we want to know why and how and maybe we can use that this guy's like nope that's right you got to you got to dump all this data we don't want you to have it yeah and Jamie's like no no you're not going to board us no no you're not going to board us um and so he says okay and starts firing on us yeah he starts firing and then more ships appear yeah and And I love how Chacote, we're starting to get hit. And Chacote turns to seven and says, we could really use some clever suggestions right about now.

Oh, I thought that was to the whole ship. Was it just a seven that he? I thought, well, seven's got the next line. He turns back to her. I was like, oh, we just, whenever we're in trouble, we turn to seven for a suggestion. I don't know. It seemed like there's some odd stuff in this episode. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. Okay. Let's say he does turn to seven. That is a lot. Yeah. Why not ask Harry? Why don't ask Tom, who's right next to you? Why are you turning back to seven?

Seven, who's in the back of the bridge. Yes. Anyway, seven of Dine identifies an uninhabited planet with an atmosphere that is filled with radiogenic particles and maybe we can hide there. So Janeway says set a course and off we go. We're going to go try to hide. To be more specific, I think Janeway says we can use the radiation to our best. benefit. We can put all of our energy under our deflectors to protect our ship and our crew

members, but the Toray may not be able to withstand it if we go through the most dense part of the radiogenic particles. So that's the plan, not to hide is really to sort of make them say, we've got to break off the chase. We can't follow these guys any further down because we're going to die. We're going to get radiation poisoning. Yeah. And it works. They do kind of break off And then Janeway says, well, we just need to set down the ship to make some repairs. And it's at that point, when we clear the, you know, the cloud cover, we see the remains of the city, the city, the same city that was bombarded in the beginning, right? Yeah, we see that city. The surface of the planet is like a complete nuclear disaster.

It's completely wrecked. And Harry says that this nuclear winter has lasted 892 years based on this radio. It's a long time. But Kim also detects faint life signs coming from a chamber several hundred meters beneath the surface. And everyone's shocked. They're like, what? So the faint life signs?

They're survivors after nine centuries practically. That's difficult to believe. So Janeway orders Tuvok and seven to join her as the two other members of the away team to go down to the chamber several hundred meters beneath the surface to investigate. We do see our heroes in this vaudeauroix. chamber or cave. Yeah, the bomb shelter or whatever. They're down there.

They discover some stasis pods. And they're down below. And Janeway, by the way, she goes over to one of the stasis chambers and wipes the dirt off. And my first thought was, why doesn't she have gloves on? Like, if this is a nuclear, nuclear, you know, Holocaust here, like, why are you touching anything? Yeah. No, what if it's toxic? What if it's, like, mouse poop or something?

you're like touching, I don't know, who knows what it is. Yes. But they're all touching with no gloves. They're all touching everything. I didn't find, I wasn't bothered so much by that. I was more bothered that Seven just took it upon herself without asking authorization from Janeway to start punching buttons on this alien interface console to open up the first biostasis pod. Very unlike seven, very unlike seven to do something so foolish.

but she opens she opens it up and it's Gedron right it's Gedron exactly and she he wakes up and yeah how does she know which buttons to push by the way we just got here remember she has she has the knowledge of what 5,000 cultures that have been assimilated yeah so that's why she knows the buttons that's all right yeah I'm gonna go with that but the man wakes up and we tell him that he's been in stasis for 900 years so not five years No, 900 years. He asked about his wife. Yeah. And she, we realized that she didn't survive. Yeah. You know, he didn't react the way I thought he would have reacted personally. Well, the whole, that whole moment, the makeup, by the way, for the mummy looking dead wife was really cool. I got to say. It was good. Definitely. But the way that was your wife, wouldn't you react a little differently when you saw her dead? The whole thing was weird to me that moment because it's sort of the shot sort of. pan down to the mummy makeup. And then you heard him off camera.

Yes. He says, you know, she was, she was my wife. Yeah. It's almost like the ADR that line. Like, that was not part of the script. Yeah. And the shot goes down to the mummy. And he just says off camera.

Yeah. That was my wife. Yeah. I don't know why there wasn't a close up. Jisa, she was my wife. I just thought maybe there would be more reaction. And you're right. There's no close up on Gedron's face for that.

We don't see his reaction. We don't see Janeway's reaction to this. It was just a weird act out. And I thought it was... We only see the reaction of a desiccated corpse. That's the only reaction we see. Exactly. Okay.

All right. Let's move on. Next we go to Sick Bay. Yep. Where Gedrin wakes up. And the first thing I noticed was this happened sometimes in the Star Trek, but his head makeup, by the way. So these people look like cobra snake lizard dragon people.

Like they have sort of a... Almost Cardassad. Like flanges, you know, on the side of their neck. Yes, these big wide flanges, a huge makeup, big hairdoes. They clearly spend a lot of time at the beauty parlor. Yeah. And then he lifts his hands up. Yes.

And they're human hands. They weren't done at all? Nothing. I didn't see anything. And I was, so he wakes up and I was like, oh, the hand makeup. Why didn't we do something like between the fingers or I don't know, anything that was different. Or at least a darker shape. of makeup on the hands, right?

So it didn't seem like there was anything. So for such a dramatic upper body makeup, it was nothing on the hands. That sort of bug me. But anyway, he wakes up in sick bay. He is scanned by the doctor who starts his program as Gedron wakes up. Right. And Gatron asks him, he says, it appears like you just came into the room, appeared out of thin air or something.

And he even, like, reaches out and touches him. It's kind of a funny, weird moment that we don't normally see other aliens playing that sort of beam-in reaction, but it was fun to see that. Correct. Janeway and Seven come in at this point. Doesn't he say something like, I don't recognize your species, or he doesn't recognize humans? He doesn't recognize Janeway. Yeah, and Janeway says human are planets halfway across the galaxy, and then he does recognize Seven. He's like, you're bored.

And Seven's like, well, how do you know that? And Gedron's like, wait, you don't even recognize my people? the vaudeau and seven's like well um you know the collective's memory from nine centuries ago is a little spotty we're not that good with that uh and gedron says that he's had many many encounters with the board and that's impressive to the doctor and he's like and you live to tell about them well impressive and gedron is is again trying to get information how did you find this and jane we said well we needed some place to to repair our ship basically and we found your your uh uh uh uh you We found where you guys are at.

We detected where you're at. We also, we were in your subspace corridors. I don't know. They said we were trying to hide from the Tourette after they found us in one of their subface corridors. That's what she says. Yeah. So that's when Gedrin goes, their corridors.

So now we know. Yes. It was the vaudeau who really owned those. So the vaudeau used to have these under space corridors. Yeah. And now they're, now they're controlled, I guess, by the Vare. Is it Vore? The Toure.

Torre. Yeah. So many names. Yes. The Torre now own them. And that's who we had encountered. So now we're starting to put this together, that they were rivals. And Getherin does say that there's thousands more stasis pods that are still underground,

as well as some preserve vehicles and fighters. So he fills them in that, you know, he's not the only one. Yeah. And there's a few more of them. And so we start to get a better picture. of these. Well, it's a battalion. It's a battalion of vaudeau that were in the stasis tubes. Right. Yeah. And then we go to the mess hall next. And there's Janeway and Gedrin kind of strolling by the windows and you're looking at the planet's surface. He says, you know, this is where we

made our final stand. And I made a note that whenever we do this when actors are standing by the mess hall windows or the exterior windows of the ship and you cut around to the outside, they look really good from the inside. There's no glass there on our set. But when you come to the outside of the ship and you're looking back, it always looks, if they stand too close, it looks like their heads are out in space. Like, it just does. So I just found it weird.

When they were strolling on the inside, it looked great. Then they cut around. And I felt like, aren't their heads like hitting the glass right now? They're too close. They need to back up. Anyway, he explains to Janeway that they have. had planned to go to some other world to start over they were you know that that was what this preparation with the pods and all of that was for and he does start to complain how his wife didn't

show more courage yeah jammie thinks you know well that's kind of heartless that's kind of rude and he compares it to look you know when it's raining do you complain yeah you know you just you deal with with the weather and and he complains you know he thinks his wife complain and couldn't accept the reality of what was happening. And Janeway says, well, if it's raining, I'd bring an umbrella, which I liked her taking the metaphor and like turning it back. And he liked it too. He liked it too.

Now, just to bring this point up, the power core, the core that was keeping all those biosstasis pods working. Yes. The reason why it was still working after 900 years is because it drew power from the geothermal core of the planet because that was something that they talked about earlier in earlier scene and i thought man that's really kind of cool you know they don't have to do anything they just you know they just tap into the power of the geothermal power of the planet itself and that's what powers everything which is pretty cool and that's how Iceland is

Iceland the country uses a lot of the geothermal um because there's all these hot springs all over the place in and they use they utilize a lot of that power to run the country So, wow. So basically Icelandic people are the vodwar. Yes, what I'm trying to say. Except they're the good vodwar. Yeah, they're good, not the evil vodwar like these guys. Yeah, exactly.

They're their, they're their nice cousins is what they're. Yes. But we do, Nelix does appear with some snacks. Yes. In the mess hall, he comes over from the kitchen. And I looked at the snacks. Did you look at, I did not look at the selection of Delta Quadrant delicacies. No, what was he holding?

He was holding. it looked like a plate with a bird's nest on it. It had like twigs and it looked like a bird's nest with maybe some little cookies or something in there. But it wasn't the snacks that were gross to me. It's the idea that like you're handing your guest. Like imagine if someone walked up to you with a bird's nest with food in it and said, go ahead, take something.

I'd be like, that's disgusting. Where's the plate? Yeah, that's like twigs. It's like in a bag. of like nasty twigs and that's funny stuff yeah it was it was so he brings over his bird's nest yeah and uh they start talking well gedron recognizes him immediately he says you're talax ilzai which evidently is the old tongue the uh neelix says my ancestors referred to themselves as talax ilzay yeah the old tongue the ancient name of his people and um gedron says to nilks well have you

heard of our people, the vaudoir. He says, no, not exactly, but we do know, use the word vaudoir in the old tongue. Yeah, in the old tongue. And it means foolish. Yeah. And I loved how he said, I don't mean to be rude. It was a classic Ethan Phillips delivery. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, of course. You don't mean to be rude. Yes. Yes, it was very funny. And just then a plasma charge hits the city and there's red alert is activated. Chikote says the ships have found them and they're starting to fire. They've located them. So we head to the bridge.

Yeah. And they say that six torpedoes have hit nearby. But they're not getting a lock. They're not getting a fix. Yeah, they can't get an exact fix on our position. Too much radiation. The torpedoes won't lock in. Gedron says he's got a plan that weak to help us accurately target the Tourette.

Right. And if Voyager can link up to their. Vodwar Sentry Satellite. They can tie into that Sentry Satellite and receive sensor telemetry from that and that'll help us to fight back to guide our torpedoes. Yep. And it works.

It works. He enters the password, by the way. I love how he was, when he was typing, he's like, oh, let me remember. It reminded me of like, you know, my email password. It's just like, he was like, oh, wait a minute. What was it? It's been 900 years. So I got to remember, I don't know if I could remember my password 900 years later.

Well, I'm guessing it was probably Vodwar backwards is what it was. Yeah, something like that, exactly. But they do, they do, he does enter his password. Yeah. And they have access. They return fire disabled the Teret ship. And the others start to run

away. Yeah. And he says, keep firing. Are they're going to come back? Yeah. And if they come back, they're going to slaughter our people. And Janeway says that she'll help. You know, we're not going to kill. all these people. We're going to help you guys get off. And if, if get, well, Gedron kind of throws it out there. He throws that out there. So you help us off this. Gedron says, if you help us off this

planet, we're going to show you all the subspace corridors, all the secret ones that no one else knows about. And you're, you're going to be free of the Toure. And so will we. And you're going to get a thousand light years closer to your home. So this is a, this is a huge deal. Yeah, he pitches it. And then Janeway says, all right, let's go wake them up. Yeah. So it sounds like he's been helpful. He got us into this, you know, Sentry satellite. He's helping us fight these bad guys.

It seems like the Toure or the bad guys, right? It does. But the red flag is when he's like, wait, why didn't you finish them off? So I felt like, okay, he's already. Well, there's a couple red flags. Very aggressive. Very aggressive. Yeah.

The red flag with his wife. Like, you know, she was a coward. She didn't want to fight. And now this, like, kill them. Yeah. So there's a couple red flags. you're right couple just a couple yeah he takes them gedron takes them to this huge chamber yeah down in the uh the bunkers there caves or whatever yeah that reveals hundreds or thousands of

pods and fighter ships and chikote comments he goes dragon's teeth and uh jamie says what and he says it's an ancient greek myth right a dragon was killed in a war and its teeth were spread out across a battlefield. Yeah. They took root and warriors sprung from the ground to continue fighting. Yeah. Does that your Jokote? Yeah, it's a little, little attempt.

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Chucote's metaphor about, you know, after the battle, there were remnants. These teeth were still there and they took root and the battle continued. So we kind of get a sense of what the theme of this is. that whatever that old 900 year old war is it's not over yet no nope nope no we see the planet again and then we go back into astrometrics and they're discussing their options with the vaudeau and we so it's a delegation we meet more yeah this is the first time we meet gall also morin uh tuvac is here as well seven is here too and and you know they just talk about two bucks talking about how Voyager got pulled into that corridor and Gaul is confused he's like pulled in and Morin says well there

must have been a break along the wall and Kedrin says we find out that these corridors they're natural they're not made by the Vodwar they occur natural not in naturally but they're very unstable and they keep getting damaged by use so there there needs to be maintenance on these corridors to to upkeep them and clearly the terrain have not maintained anything they've kind of let them I also thought it thought it was interesting when we asked you know well do you have charts or maps of these corridors they say no we memorized we memorize the subspace quarter layout what which is crazy because there's thousands of these corridors so to memorize them I don't know that must to be a very difficult task to I was suspicious of that honestly

I was like, I don't think they're telling the truth. Yeah. Okay. So they're holding their cards close to their best. Yeah. This is another red flag to me. But Janeway still is on board and she says, let's get started. Yeah.

We've got a civilization to rebuild. Yeah. And Moran is put in charge of reanimating all these other vaudea. They're going to bring everybody back to life, get the ships ready to go. Janeway orders. Yeah, Janeway orders, Balana says, Janeway says our chief engineer will be glad to give you hand and that is a setup for later a later scene with both morin and balana but before that we jump to naomi's bedroom yes we go to naomi's quarters yeah i got a interesting shot you like that set up

this whole scene was played in one shot until the very end on neelix yeah i thought it was really well done the low angle the oneer neelix was out of focus for most of it most definitely and the lighting was very minimal too. Yeah. Basically, Neelix comes in to say, hey, you should go,

you know, meet with some of these kids, these va-dwar kids, and maybe play with them. And she's like, nope. Yep. Because they call Talaxians' names,

and they're not nice. And basically, yeah, they made fun of Neelix. They made fun of Neelix. And she doesn't want to play with them. It's another red flag. It's what it is.

Yeah. And I love that. started listing she's like well neelix they called you this and they called you this and they called and he's in the background and finally hear him go okay okay i get it i get it i get the idea that's right they said everyone from your planet was stupid they said your ears are funny they said just looking at you made them laugh and they said i get it yeah okay okay enough but it was funny it was funny it was cute and so neelix is definitely you know thrown by this and so this is going to lead him on to does but um next we go to the base uh in the chamber yeah and torres is down there helping

the vadoar make repairs and morin says something in cling on to her i don't remember what he said karl tell koppok something like that so yes and so you're you're like wait a minute what he knows he knows clinging and and i guess it it's we learned that they really identify with the klingon yeah views of of death and honor in battle and all these things. Yeah, but they go, but you know what it is? They take it, they take it a step further than the Clingons because he talks about, you know, today is a good day to die and Torres is like, what? And Morin's like, you know, Kalas, you're a greatest warrior, that was his battle cry.

And Torres is like, well, you seem to taking this interest in my history. And he's like, well, there's a lot of parallels in our cultures, another red flag, okay? And then, but then this was the craziest thing. His line was, the vaudeau have also learned to embrace death without fear. As children were taught to fall asleep each night imagining a different way to die, which is, I'm sorry. I wrote that down to that. Yeah. It's shocking.

As children. Good night. Time to think of another way to die. She says, she says, you know, Now, for me, I prefer curling up with a good book. Yeah. I like, I'm with Bolana on that. Yeah.

But again, huge red flag at that point, right? So now we go to the mess hall and Neelix is there and he's sitting talking to the computer and he's basically asking the computer for references on the word. He starts with the word vaudoir in Talaxian. That's right. What I loved about this scene was it reminded me. when I was in school, when I was at Juilliard, we had a text analysis class of Shakespeare, and it wasn't a long class, but it was one of my favorites because we literally in the classroom,

they had a hard copy of the Oxford English Dictionary Collection, which is a volume of dictionaries that take every word in the English language, and it goes through the history of that word back to the Middle Ages, back to, you know, it's long, historical. context of how words have evolved and changed in the English language. And the reason was when you're doing Shakespeare, Shakespeare may have written a word in a play that we think of as, you know, whatever word, happy, whatever. We have an understanding currently of what the word happy means, but maybe in 1500 the word happy meant something else. And there was context to it. And so if you do that kind of text analysis, you can see in the play what Shakespeare may have meant that's

different than how we interpret the words now. And to me, it was just like a game changer. Like, wow, language can have such a different, a variety of interpretations, especially historically. When you jump hundreds of years, language evolves, meaning changes over time. Anyway, so I thought this was interesting when Neelix is asking the computer like, what does the word vaudeau mean? What's the definition in telexium? Because it's a 900-year-old word for them now. And then he goes through, you know, the earliest uses of that word

in telaxia. He talks about the L. Daxons collected folklore stories. And he starts to review, like, when was the word Vodwar used in literature in Tlaxia? So he's really going into like some, yeah some you know deep dives of what vodwar uh the understanding of vodwar in talaxia and even says at the end of the scene he's like computer transfer these books and things to my quarters i'm going to do more work on it so to me yeah i just really identified with that from that class i took i was like this is great detective work like this is really cool and and it really is the key to starting to turn Janeway and Voyager's crews suspicions

onto these guys. Well, I love that line that Neelick says, computer, name the specific folk tales that use the word vaudeau. And they says, computer goes, the demon with the golden voice, the tale of the deadly stranger, the tale of the boy who lost his head, the tale of the bloody

hand, the McNeil's. Yeah. Did you think about that when he said the bloody hand? No, I didn't. Oh, you didn't make that connection. Okay. Well, I did. But still, Yes, it's, these are dangerous titles. In all those titles, you start to go, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Like, the first thing he said was, oh, Vodwar means foolish. Right. That's just a surface level understanding. Foolish because they're dangerous. Correct. If you don't be a fool with these guys. Yeah. If you deep dive into this, now you start realizing what the real meaning is of this word.

Yeah. Anyway, I thought that was, to me, that was a really interesting way to play with that idea of like language and means. meaning and over time how things interpret, people interpret words very differently. Yeah. Next thing is we go to astrometrics and seven and is it Gedron? Yeah, it's Gedron. Yeah, seven and Gedron are reviewing planets to potentially relocate the Vodwar II.

And he tells seven that the Borg only controlled a few systems 900 years ago. That's right. And he says, now you've spread like a play. Yeah. Yes. But every remote planet that Gedrin knew about 800 years ago is now occupied, right? So one is the DeVore Imperium, and that was the aliens that kind of looked like they were, that, what was it? Counterpoint.

Isn't that the Devorimperium? Yeah. So, but every single remote outpost that Gedron can come up with is already occupied right now. So it's a little frustrating for GEDRue. Yeah. And Seven says something like, well, maybe the DeVore Imperium or Seven says something about maybe they can spare a continent. Yeah. And he says, why would they negotiate with us?

Like we have nothing to negotiate with. We're out of date technology. And I love her response. Your pessimism is irrelevant. Yeah. That's a good seven line. Yes. Good one.

Then we go to the briefing room. We find out that there are, I think, 16 vessels now, more coming in. As we speak, Tuvok says there's a total of 21 Toray ships on sensors. And Janeway now is starting to get suspicious. You can see. She's like, 900 years is a long time to hold a grudge. And Gaul says, well, they want those corridors. And Tuvok says, okay, he basically, Tuvok pitches a plan of how we're going to deal with these

to ray vessels it's a pretty straight ahead simple plan yeah and gall our militant bad guy rob nepper guy gall says what about photon torpedoes for our fighters and janeway says no no that goes against starfleet protocols we can't give you our photon torpedoes he's not used to having to depend on other people right to answer to other people uh but janeway says nope my decision is final. And you feel this tension now. Yeah. Yeah. Things have changed for Janeway and these guys are getting a little more blatant with their militant side. Yeah. I mean, it gets, I mean, Gall finally says, I need those weapons. Janeway says, sorry, answers no. And then Gaul ups the antees as well, if you want access to our corridors to get home sooner. And then

Janeway says, well, we'll just continue home the same way we've been doing through open space. So Janeway's not even, you cannot, no, she's not going to buckle. She'll never buckle. He has no clue who he's dealing with. He's dealing with Janeway. It's Janeway or the highway, people. You have to know that, Vodwar people. We go back underground and now we see Gaul talking to some of his pals.

And I love this shot. It's like through the grate. Yes. Of the bunker down there. And they're having like a secret conversation. And then you see a Starfleet helper, the legs of a. Starfleet person, step in and call something. They look up. Yeah, they look up and they're like, no, let's get out of here this way.

Very inventive, very efficient shot. Nice job, Colby. Nice job, for sure. But they're scheming down there. And it's really Gaul scheming more than Gedron. Gedron's kind of, you know, he's not really along with this plan to be perfectly honest. He's a little bit more open-minded to. Modernness or something. Exactly. But Gaul wants to recapture all the old colonies and continue this war. And Gaul basically pitches, he says, once we deal with these ships, we're going to take over

capture Voyager and use this ship's technology to rebuild our civilization. We'll fight off the Teray. And once they can get just enough fighters on board Voyager, then they'll just take it. Right. That's their plan. So Nelix was a smart cookie. He was a very smart cookie reading those old books. We go to Astromatrix 7 showing Gedron a planet that could be.

suitable for them. Yes. It has underground water. It's not a paradise, but it will do. I feel like he's flirting with seven in this scene. Really? Yeah. Okay. He says something like, you remind me of my wife. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like what you're like just, you're practical and to the point, just like. Yeah. He's, he's a little flirty with seven in the scene. I thought he's drawn to her for sure. Yes. And she reveals that she's grateful to help rebuild a civilization instead of destroying. Destroying them as a board. Yes. which I think is a huge part of this episode that was kind of missed out on.

There's not a lot of that talked about. And I think that could have been explored a bit more. But, you know, Gedrin says something to her, like, well, why not you guys just set up a civilization here? And so it's like, nope, Janeway's determined to get home. And so you see both of them sort of sharing each other's culture's points of view of like wanting to achieve their goals, but the obstacles that they're,

it's just a nice scene. They both are kind of finding some common ground, I guess, is what I'm saying. The scene is interrupted by Nielix appearing. Nelix calls seven, yeah. He says he needs to see her in Cargo Bay, too. It's important. And Gedrin is also laid for an appointment with Tuvok, so everyone kind of breaks and goes in their separate ways.

They take off. Yeah, we go into Cargo Bay. Great big wide shot in Cargo Bay. We see Neelich waiting, and they meet up. in the middle, a nice secret conversation. He basically fills Seven in on the Talaxian history of the Vodwar. He's done this research in those old books and tales and ancient folk tales of his people. It's a common theme that they describe a phantom army that appears out of thin air, destroys entire colonies, and then vanishes in the blink of an eye. And he says to Seven,

does that sound familiar? And Seven's like the subspace corridor. So basically, the vaudeau, 900 years ago where basically they were attack troops they would come in they would decimate everybody and then jump back in the corridors and take off

and yeah so a very violent race out for destruction and really just expanding their territory so that's the boudoir yeah so then we so we know that Neelix was on

to something we go to the ready room and Janeway and he also so before you say that he also says to seven I need you to cross-reference this with your Borg knowledge of all the thousands of species, if there is also other tales of a phantom army.

And so we don't see her doing that, but we know that she does do it because the next scene is in Janeway's ready room. We go to the ready room and basically Janeway is, she's in there with, is it Gedrin at this point? Well, she's in there solo and then the door rings. And so Gedrin, she says, come in, Gedron says, Oh, you want to see me. That's what it is.

Yes. And so Janeway says, I need a little history lesson. And he's like, can't this wait until after we've reached the corridor? She goes, no, afraid not. Just had a conversation with Mr. Neelix and 7 of 9. They've been pouring through various databases and have come up with some surprise findings. Basically, he calls him on his life.

That they're not scientists or merchants, that they were aggressive. They use these corridors to attack and destroy people. Correct. And he basically admits, he says, well, both stories are true. Yeah, both versions of the story is true. yes both of them that they were scientists and merchants but they also were very aggressive and he says now we have gone from six billion of us to 600 of us and we have ancient technology i like janeway listens to all of this and she says well if i were to take you at your

word the ancient talaxians might call me a vodwar foolish yeah which i liked yeah um but she says she'll keep her promise to help. And she says, I'll help you, but I'm not going to ignore history. And she's got a look of steel, the Janeway look of steel. I love it. So she's going to help, but now she's much more, she's not going to be foolish. And she has her own terms, basically, which we learn about later. Yeah.

We go on the bridge. She discusses the situation with Chukotay. They decide to alter their plans. And she tells Harry to hail. Gall and she informs him that only 10 of the fighters will have their particle beams remaining active. Only 10 will attack. So all the rest of them will not be armed.

And the others, all the rest of them are supposed to head directly to the subspace corridors. Exactly. And he's like, wait a minute. Why would I leave them defenseless? What if we need them? And she says, nope, just 10. He's not happy at all. He's angry.

But she leaves it there. She's like, this is how it's going to be. will leave with or without you. And we cut over to Gaul on his side of things, and he tells his people, let's prepare to attack now. Now, yeah. I do like Janeway's line when he, when Gaul says, what prompted this change?

And Janeway says, you haven't been completely honest about your past. And that makes me a little uncertain about the present. So I like a little dialogue used here. Yeah. For Janeway. Yeah. So Gaul says, let's attack Voyager. Let's attack, and then we go back over to Voyager.

They're ready for the ascent sequence. But there's massive energy readings beginning to emanate from the chamber. We have shakes in the ship. The vaudeau are launching their first wave of fighter. 17 ships are attacking. The ships are not going after the tray. They're going after us. Yes.

Oh, that was our warp particles moment. It was. we go to a planet shot we see Voyager beginning its ascent but they're being attacked by these smaller ships and Tom says they won't be able to jump to warp and escape until over at least 280 kilometers above the surface right so Voyager continues to try to ascend the ship we we disable some of their fighter ships but our thrusters and our sensors are damaged and they send up more fighter ships that are attacking us. Janeway orders Kim to contact the Toray in orbit.

So the, yes, we're being attacked from below. We got the bad guys out in space. We got enemies on both sides. And Janeway is trying to figure this out. Since the Teret have detected this weapons fire, they believe Janeway. She fills them in, the Teret, and says, we're being attacked by these vaudeau. and and she even says at first they're like the vaude war what are you talking about there those guys in 900 years and gedron's on the on the on the on the bridge so he's like hey

hey I'm here I'm right here so survive yeah so they realize the vodwar are still alive they decided to join forces right and Gedron says transport me and I'll help you he offers to go to the surface and boost the signal to their relay satellite. That's right. To help the Toray target the Vodwar, that satellite needs to be boosted exactly. And I love his line when he says, not all of my people are stuck in the past. I'm the one progressive Vodwar alive right now. Yes.

So, mm-hmm. So Janeway allows him to go down, but sends Tuvac with him. Yes. And we go underground. We realize that they have. breached Voyager shields and there's whole breaches on two different decks

we see Tuvac and Gedrin have entered the chamber they take out of guard Tuvok takes out of guard Yeah and also back on Voyager We have lost impulse engines and navigation So we're and thrusters We're just kind of falling basically Yeah we're there they're taking us out

We've even lost our signal to Tuvok We try to call Tuvok That's right That's right And Janeway orders the whole crew To initiate emergency landing procedures And she says, arm yourself. This may be hand-to-hand-hand combat if we have to.

Hand-to-hand combat if we have to. So it's going to get ugly, we think. So we go back underground and Morin is ordering some of the vaudeau to secure Voyager and then execute the crew. These guys are ruthless. They're hardcore. They're very hardcore. And Gall appears and he says, he kindly says, no, let's not execute them all. Let's just put them in our stasis chambers.

And maybe someday someone will revive them. That's even worse, though. I don't know if that's nice. I think that's like, that's diabolical. It's like, you know what? We won't kill you. We'll stick you in the biobots and make sure that you will be there for another 900 years. That's horrible.

Yeah. So it looks bad. It looks like these guys are either going to execute us or stickers, stick us in stasis chambers. And suddenly they're attacked. Yes. Their teret have gotten the help of the relay satellite. They're targeting the chamber now. They're able to, yeah.

They're able to target them. But Gadron, we find he's still working on helping the relay signal, but they're rotating the carrier frequency. He can't seem to keep it, you know, locked in. And we see this beam fall by Tuvok and Gedron, which I always love when those big set pieces are interacting with the actors. Like, you know, usually it's the back of a stunt man and you know it's fake. It wasn't this time.

It was Tim Russ. It was Tim Russ and this guest star right there with a big beam. falling down between them. Right. It was cool action. Yeah. But Gedrin says, Tuvok, save yourself. Gedrin basically sacrifices himself to save, to save Voyager.

So not all of these guys are bad guys. No. Yeah. You've got one. There's always one who's good. Yeah. So, yeah. We go back on the bridge.

And Janeway, with her computer brain, decides to come up with a plan to use these radiogenic atmospheric particles. particles as a power source, right? She asked Harry, because Harry, the radiogenic particles in the atmosphere, could we use them as a power source? And Harry's like, well, I mean, we'd have to modify the warp course conversion matrix, but it could take a few hours. And Janeway's like, well, what if we drew the particles directly into our plasma manifold? And Paris says, well, that would give us one hell of a boost. And Kim says it could also blow out every power relay on the ship.

And Janeway's like, you know what? Damn if we do. Dan, if we don't, open the forward to cell ports, and reverse the pressure gradient, take in 600 kilograms. So she's, she's a gambler. She's like, but I was like, I was watching her go, okay, well, she's doing the computer math in her head. And she's like, okay, open the cell ports, take in, let me think, carry the two, 600. Yeah, taking 600, 600, 600. Okay.

Yeah, divided by. Yeah, exactly. She did fast math. She knew exactly how many kilograms we would need. But that's a huge gamble, okay? I mean, that's just, we're going off of your quick math, and we're going to go ahead and just do this. Quick math in her head.

She carried the two, and now we've got impulse restored on Voyager. Unbelievable. And Rick Colby does this big crane shot as we're kind of clearing the atmosphere. It's a long kind of wonder as it pushes in. Yeah. Very dramatic. We go to warp out in space.

and as we go to warp, we cut back and we see the Vodwar fighter ships coming up from the surface, but they're being destroyed, it looks like, by the Trey, right? Yeah, so it looks like in that moment that all of these Vodwar are just getting decimated and wiped out. Yeah, but they're not. Yeah, then we go to the ready room. There's a little while later, and Janeway is getting a report. and seven says 53 vaudoir ion signatures have been detected entering the corridors so now no one can catch them they know the way around there they know their way around there and there's 53 of those

ships somewhere yeah and seven says uh she believed she made an error in judgment yes that she you know opened she started all of this by opening the the cryo chamber i'm going to say pandora's box what she opened she opened pandora's box awoke gedron and therein lies the yes that was our problem yes but janeway does say i think you were acting out of compassion yeah and seven says well i do you know she basically expresses her her regret uh for essentially being responsible for you know all these other civilizations being destroyed when she was borg and she wanted to show some compassion she You wanted to help a civilization rebuild. She wanted to be helpful.

Yeah. And it is compassionate. So Janeway says, you know, I get why you did it. And I might have done the same thing. Yeah. And I think she does say in the scene, I don't think this is the last we've seen of these vaude. Yeah. She says, Janeway says that they will adapt and I doubt we've seen the last of them.

That's her final line of the episode. But I do want to ask you, do you feel like that the entire time I watched this episode, I kept feeling like, we've already encountered the vodoir. Yes? No. Or some reference to them? Yeah, maybe some talk about them. Someone mentioned them in, I don't know, because the whole time I was getting deja vu.

I was deja vuing left and right watching this episode going, we've already dealt with them. We've dealt with an alien species that have talked about the vodoir as well, maybe. I don't think so. I almost feel like this was, we've had mention of the vaudeau. Maybe an equinox part one and two. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, where I don't know. It does sound like a familiar alien species that we've mentioned, but I don't think we've ever seen it before.

Yes, not seen, but mentioned somehow. So, yeah. Okay. What is your lesson or what's your takeaway from this episode? My theme, my lesson from this would be that history is a great teacher. that don't forget history so history was you know Janeway says that that she's not going to forget the past she's going to you know help them but not ignore the past okay neelix looked at these you know looked up the historical definition like my Shakespeare class you know started to look at wait a minute

900 years ago this is what they were who these people were and let's not forget history so yeah I think history is a great teacher, not that people can't change, because Gedron did, he was very different. Not everyone falls into that historical pattern. But, yeah, yeah, that's my theme. History is a great teacher. What about you? I like that.

I'm going to say, don't judge a book by its cover. Because in the outset, in the beginning, we feel like, oh, this is a good ally for us to have. We can, you know, these guys will definitely help us out. but that's from the initial. And the Toure seemed like, oh, they're bad guys. These guys are absolutely horrible. But then we learned the Tourette have been preyed upon by the vaudeau for, you know, many, many, many years. Hundreds of years, basically.

So, and not just the Touret, but every other species in anywhere proximity of the vaudeau home planet. We're all fair game for the vaudeau attacking forces. So, yeah, don't judge a book by its cover. And do your, do your due diligence. That's what's most important and make sure you do your research and know what you're getting into before you make an alliance or this could be, the lesson could be before you make a big decision on purchasing a house, on purchasing a car, you know, just look at the history of that house. Look at the history of that house. Exactly. Did anyone die in that house by murder?

Because you don't want to have an entity haunting you for the rest of your time. So do your due diligence is what it is. That's my lesson. Great. Awesome. Okay. Ratings-wise, I am going to say, I'm going to give this episode, I got to be honest, if it had more dental hygiene, it would get a better rating. It just was not my favorite episode. So what are you doing it? Six. I'm going to give it a six. What? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Wow. Holy moly, you really went low on that one. Okay. I'm going to say. 7.3. Ooh. Yeah.

I gave it a little more. Yeah, you did. Yeah. All right. Well, our admiral, let's see here, our admiral and captain average rating for dragon's teeth, I give it a six, or you give a 7.3. They came up with an average of 7.2. Ooh. You were almost dead on.

dead on. And funny, I was going to say 7.2, but I said, I'm going to give him 0.1 more. And so I added point one at the last second. So if I kept to my original. That's nice of you. I was trying to be nice. Okay. This is not your favorite. I can tell by your ratings. You don't usually, yeah, six means you didn't like it. I feel. No, I didn't like it. I like the guest stars. They were good. I think they did a great job. I think everybody was good in it. It was just not my favorite story. Okay. That's fine. It didn't quite. It just didn't grab me. Yep. Did not have a lot of empathy for them okay um i didn't feel like there was a lot of mystery i don't know it just didn't it didn't grab me i never got really invested in them and i didn't get invested in the voyager side

of things because i didn't feel like what was at risk for us that's why if there had been a little more seven and i know seven gets a lot of episodes in these last few seasons so to be fighting for more seven story seems strange because she gets a lot but yet i feel like that would have invested our side of the story a little more. If we had seen seven really struggling with her conscience on being a Borg and destroying civilizations and wanting to rebuild them, there was more of an emotional story there that just was not told. Okay.

So what is next week's episode? Yes, next week's episode is one small step. Great. Yeah. I like that. It's an easier, it's an easier. Yes, that one I recognize. It's not about dragon hide dental hygiene.

No dental hygiene there. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for tuning in for this week's review and discussion of Dragon's Teeth. Join us next week when Robbie and I will talk about one small step for all of our Patreon patrons.

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