The Delta Flyers - Dreadnought

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Dreadnought. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Dreadnought:Torres must re-program a self-guided Cardassian missile when it threatens to annihilate a heavily populated planet.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca Jayne.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Daniel Adam, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Shannyn Bourke, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, and Amber EasonAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Gregory Kinstetter, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Katie Johnson, Craig Sweaton, Ryan Hammond, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Cutler, Crystal Komenda, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Oliver Campbell, Anna Post, Robert Hess, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Nathan Butler, Terry Lee Hammons, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Jeff Cramer, and Heather Chappelle Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, none other than Mr. Robert, Duncan McNeil. Hello, everybody. Hello. Hello. Welcome to the Voyager. You know, I saw, I saw a commercial for, like a promo for Star Trek Discovery, and they say in the window, they're looking at all the ships, and they go, oh, look at the Voyager.

See, so even they say it. Yeah, they do. They do. The Voyager. They talk about the Voyager. Yeah. So I guess that's the way to do it. You know, it just sounds weird, though, to me.

I know it's proper, but it sounds funny. I know. I know it bothers. Yeah. So I've been in the middle of COVID testing like crazy just to tell everybody I actually went and worked on a Amazon show that I'm doing last night. I was filming last night. So three days before I had to have a COVID test to make sure I was okay.

And then, of course, when I got on set, they take your temperature and do all that stuff. And then now I have today off, but I'm filming again. tomorrow so I had to drive down to LAX to take another COVID test that gives me the results within one day before I go in again tomorrow and what was weird is when I got there they told me to take off my mask and use one of their masks because they said well we don't know if you sanitized your mask or not I'm like oh okay so it was just like what so literally the entire time that we were filming unless the cameras were rolling like when we were in rehearsal or blocking we still had to wear the masks. It was very, um, very strict. And I know you've also gone through all that

protocol yourself, um, with, uh, finishing up resident evil. Uh, no, resident evil, resident alien. Everyone was a little evil. He was a little evil. Yeah, well, he was an alien trying to kill all the humans. So I guess it was a little evil. Resident alien. Yeah. The protocols on set these days, I mean, I think back to like before COVID on set and how things were, like back when we made Voyager yeah made the Voyager the Voyager um yeah it was you just didn't think about any of this I mean I mean the health protocols in general in filmmaking have gotten so much better yeah I mean I remember when we started Voyager you you could still smoke I think on the sound stage you could smoke in the fire lanes on the sound stage and then right around the time we started filming

Voyager, they said, nope, it's got to be outside. That was a big deal, like in the 90s. But people used to smoke on stage, which was a fire hazard among other hazards. You know, the stunts and safety and all of those things were like, you know, good luck. I mean, I even know now, like when I start a new TV show, because these are big corporations, big studios that are making the shows, they have corporate policies that involve sexual harassment training so you have to everybody on the crew including the cast has to come in and learn about bias or sexual harassment or any of those things you have like a whole two-hour training or three-hour training where they talk to everybody none of that was part of the right

the culture of filmmaking back when we were starting on Voyager so yeah there's been a lot of changes and now COVID of course yeah and and that and the the the COVID rep literally was standing, like right when we were done with a take and when they were like, okay, we got that. I mean, this dude was standing there going masks back on. I'm like, okay, okay. So it was very, very hardcore. The funniest thing about filming last night was that the scene was a lot of emergency vehicles. So police cars, FBI cars, everything was there. So there's a lot of these sirens, you know, these lights, these flashing lights that they had going on. And they also simulated flashing lights with, I guess there's like an LED panel that you can program to look

like the lights of a police car, which, you know, it was just pretty recent when they've introduced that new technology where they've been using that. But at one point, when we were right about to do a take, we had a helicopter that came by and it just started circling around us. And either it was a news helicopter or it was a police helicopter. And they thought that we were a real altercation going on right so they were they were sitting there just circling and circling and I was like oh my god how much longer and I guess they were using their binoculars or whatever and they're right a minute wait a minute it's the guy from Star Trek down there or that's a film crew and so yeah that was the funny that's funny yeah all right man um so this week yeah this week

It's dreadnought. Dreadnought. Dreadnought. Dreadnought. Okay. Yes. Dreadnought. I'm excited. I remember the title. I feel like I remember the script cover. That's the first thing that comes to my mind. I can picture Dreadnought on our script cover. Yeah. And it's an interesting name. Yeah. I think that's the name of one of the one of the runs at some East Coast ski resorts like the. Oh, really? They name all the runs at every ski resort, right? Okay. This is. you're going down alpine whatever you know and then this one was called there was one called dreadnought I remember that oh that's funny yeah so that's the first thing that comes in my mind when I think a dreadnought I'm like oh okay that's actually a name used for a ski slope exactly all right so all of you listeners thanks for tuning in we're going to go ahead Robbie and I are going to go and watch dreadnought and come back with our recap for all of our Patreon patrons who are tuning in. Stay tuned for what do we remember. See you soon. Hey guys, we are back from watching Dreadnought. Dreadnought. Yes, we saw it. By the way,

I just want to be honest. When I went away, I had to go get a power cord from my computer because I broke it in the middle of this podcast. I realized I had to broken my power cord for my computer and so we were kind of dead in the water we were dread not in the water I see what you did with that see now when you said broken power cord I immediately assumed that meant watch the Georgia football game yeah that meant so I was like uh-huh yeah power cord no it was they're actually playing right now they're tied they're tied they are they are Georgia, my football team this year, you know, it's 2020. It's COVID. It's not a great year for anything, for anybody. Definitely not a good year for my college football team. So, yeah. And that's across the board for like everybody. And especially those who play fantasy football, such as myself. I play in two different leagues. And it's been difficult because of the COVID designations of service. players and the injuries without a preseason where most NFL teams take the preseason games

to sort of work the kinks out and really kind of, you know, figure out what's going on and kind of just get the rust, shake the rust off. They didn't have preseason games. So all these injuries are just coming across. Like if you look at a team like the 49ers, good Lord. They lost like half their roster. And you're sitting here trying to to cheer. for your team or your fantasy team players that you have and it's just been difficult. It's been really, really tough. But Dreadnought, I looked

up the word. Did you look up Dreadnought? Dreadnought is actually... Go ahead. Tell me about it. Well, it's sort of it refers to a name of a naval ship actually. That's one definition

of it just came up as a naval ship and I thought, oh, okay, that's kind of interesting. Interesting. And what was the other thing that I, it's been, it has been so long since I'd looked this up because of this long break. LeVar, LeVar, I know, getting my power.

It wasn't my power cord. It was, it was the plug that goes in the wall that the cord attaches to. I had broken because I'm so manly and strong. Oh, oh. Really plugging a plug into the wall. I can sometimes break it. I think that's probably, probably.

It's not really what happened. Not really what happened, but I'm going to go with that story. I found what I was going to say. Okay, the historical definition of dreadnought is a type of battleship introduced in the early 20th century, larger and faster than its predecessors and equipped with entirely equipped entirely with large caliber guns. I can't speak English right now. And then the second term, the archaic term, it's a heavy overcoat for stormy weather.

So if it's, yeah, if it's bad weather, if someone can say, yeah, are you wearing your, yes, are you wearing your dreadnought? So that is, yeah, that is another definition of it. Written by Gary Holland, directed by LaVarbert. By the way, I did a few, I did a few impersonations during my watching video. Did you? Yeah, I did. Oh, ho! Ho! Ho! Gove into some impersonations. So for those friends on Patreon, You'll see some of our watching of the video there. Our patrons get some of that. And you'll see some of my impersonations there. I can, oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm excited. We're in a little competition. I got to be honest, one of my favorite parts, we are in competition. You're in my territory, buddy. I know. I have always really enjoyed our video reactions, whether, you know, I'll watch yours. I agree. I impersonated you in one, actually. I know you did.

Very low kind of, you know, kind of, you know, kind of. reserved delivery I impersonated you in this one so oh did you yeah so just you wait oh my god I can't wait to hear it and this is a feature that that that that our five at there what would you say was that our ensign tier no it's our lieutenant tier lieutenant tier right lieutenant tier yeah it's our lieutenant tier on patreon gets and above get to see our video reactions to the episodes which are I've always been really really fun it's a lot of fun to interact with the video yeah for sure um can't wait to see that so directed by lavar and um and two guest stars or multiple guest stars but two of my favorite guest stars we have both uh nancy hower and raffaille

sabar she's running this episode yes um okay here's a quiz for you although nancy is in one scene she's in one scene she's in one scene and she mentions yes that her husband is catarian one is the last that you heard Catarian. That's going to be my quiz to you and everybody else out there. The Catarians would never do that. That's later, buddy. Why are you bringing up?

That's a spoiler for the future. The Catarians would never do that. Okay, so the trivia question to everyone out there is, before this episode, what episode is the alien species Catarian mentioned? the answer yes is non sequitur the episode where harry goes back to earth oh yes yes that's right his girlfriend liby yeah and he's talking to her and she's saying you're not my harry why aren't you like the harry that i know and i's like i'm the same guy i'm the guy that was sitting in your seat

at the catarian musical festival so evidently this is how ensign can Harry Kim met Libby. He was sitting in the wrong seat at the Catarian Music Festival. Yes, yes. Wow. There you go. Good, good detail there. That's some detail.

Big time. So LeVar Burton directed, yes. Yes, yes. And that detail, that trivia that I came up with, I had so much time while you were getting your power cord. Yeah, that I was able to do this. By the way, Georgia Bulldogs are up. Are they up?

Yeah. Okay, so they scored a TD. They scored a TD. All right. Go Bulldogs. You say go dogs? I'm sorry. You say dogs, right?

You never put the bull on front, right? It's just go dogs. D-A-W-G-S, dog. Right, not D-O-G. That's dog. Your dog is dog is D-A-W-G. You got to say dog. Y'all know what it's, y'all know what time it is.

It's a dog in the South. And that's how we talk about. Bless your heart. Bless his heart. Anyway, we could talk Southern all day long. Yes, we could. I want to. No problem. You're from North Carolina. I'm for Tennessee. It works out just fine. Where you at? What scene are we at? Briefing room? Let's start from the beginning. So Nancy Howard is having a baby.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. And I thought it was very interesting that, that Kess's father was a great inspiration in her life, which we've never heard that before. No, we haven't. I thought that was very interesting. And then the doctor gets jealous. That is so weird. experience jealousy. It's just like you're a computer program. You are Microsoft Windows. You're not supposed to be jealous. No. He kind of gets jealous. And Kess is like, well, I have an uncle. You could use his name. And the doc's like, no, never mind. Forget it. And he's just so negative. Like every name that Nancy Howard brings up, he's like, no, that was a, you know, that was a evil dictator. Exactly. Yeah. I just thought that was really funny. But then it's funny that opening scene

almost has nothing to do with the rest of the episode. Yes. There's no connection. We never follow any of that story, the dark jealousy story, any of it. We learn of Ensign Wildman's husband's name, though.

It's Chris Kendrick. What a name. Chris Kendrick. Yes. I couldn't make it out as I tried to pause it and go back and listen again. I was like, I don't know what they're saying.

It's a complicated name. But I get the point. It's a big complicated name. It's a big complicated name. It's a big, complicated name. It's like, it's like a Welsh name. It's just like, it's so, what? What is that?

What is the, are there letters in that name? There's like 17 consonants back to back to back to back is what that is. Gris-Kendel. Okay. So we know that, a little bit of backstory there. We come out on the bridge. There's some debris out in space, a duritanium hull should have been strong enough on this ship. They say that they're picking up a duritaneum hole, but it's been blown to smithereens.

Cardassian weapon signatures they find and yeah Robbie we've jumped the gun we usually do our synopsis before we even start anything so our synopsis as in our limerick and haiku yes how funny the limerick the Irishness and you're from that and then the haiku the Asianness and I'm from that okay let's pause on the bridge we find some debris out there in space let's everybody hold your your thoughts experience okay let's go back to I'd like to start with your haiku first. Oh, sure. Okay. Here's my haiku for Dreadnought. Dreadnought Hikoo. Here we go. Missile malfunctions.

Torres tries to disarm it. Last gasp saves the day. Ooh, nice. Yes. Thank you. Nice. Very nice. All right. Thank you so much. I think that's very elegant. I think you capture a lot of of the emotional experience of the episode my limerick is going to be a little more clumsy but it's okay because limericks are tricky with all the rhyming they have to do there's rules oh lay it on me come on here we go here's my limerick for dreadnought balana creates a weapon to kill the enemy

it has a surprising identity she talks to herself while Janeway sacrifices her health, and a phaser shot is the ultimate remedy. Ah, yes. My lemuric. Hey, that's good. Yeah, Rebecca helped me with that one, actually. I was, I was stumped on this one. Wait a minute.

Are you now subcontracting your limerick now to you have limerick now? If I have rhyming troubles, I will reach out to, you know, ask a friend. Is that what they said on the... Yeah, yeah, yes, yes. You called a friend on you. Call a friend. Sure, sure. Yes.

Okay, the day that I... I reached out to Rebecca. All right. The day that I reach out to Megan to do my haiku, I'm going to hang up my cleats on this one. I'm just going to leave the entire... Yeah. I just need to be transparent here.

I was stumped on this one and there was a little bit of rhyming help. That's all. This was a team effort. Yes, I appreciate. I appreciate your honesty. Thank you for sharing that. Balana creates a weapon to kill the enemy. It has a surprising identity.

She talks to herself, and Janeway sacrifices her health. And a phaser shot is the ultimate remedy. By the way, by the way, yes, in my limerick, when it gets to the end and Balana's, and I know I'm jumping to the end, but she's in the core, the engine core of this weapon. And she's firing a phaser. I'm like, that's it?

like that's how we I don't know I'm jumping to the end but I'm kind of like part of me is like what that's it okay yes but you subcontracting out part of the limerick

to Rebecca makes me just flash forward to like when we're reviewing season seven episodes we've gotten so lazy that it's just Rebecca and Megan doing this entire podcast they're just sitting there no I would never want to miss out on the

opportunity of watching an episode. But the limerick sometimes, I've got to be honest. The limerick, the rhyming rules of a limerick are a little challenging. But I agree. I'm up for the challenge. Okay. Okay. And you know what we can do. I know you're up for the challenge. We can also do reverse week at some point where I do the limerick and you do a haiku. You know what I'm saying? So we can look into that right okay um so uh where do we pause everybody at we paused everybody at the we paused everybody at they they find some debris yes out at floating in space correct and it's um duritanium hole they say to be strong enough for any weapons but the weapons that that blew up this debris have a cardassian signature and we realize at first they think seska might be responsible which

makes sense because Jessica's out there with the Kazon doing and she's Cardassian crazy stuff and she's Cardassian but Balana steps up and says nope that weapon is mine right which everyone watching is like oh what it's weird it's weird by the way how did a weapon from the Alpha Quadrant end up here but it is it is Twilight Zoneish really yeah and by the way so we go to the briefing room where a lot of this gets explained yeah why do I run in with my hair sticking up in every which direction like really that made me laugh so hard when I saw you I was just like look at his hair I don't even remember shooting that scene I was thinking look at you just coming in all disheveled you know shoveled but by the way I liked it I got to say

I was like like that Harris be disheveled all the time like why did he have to have the blowdried hair in you know perfectly hair sprayed and all I would have loved I would have loved the disheveled hair yeah you could have been the pig pen of Voyagers like Charlie Brown and the pig pen's always messed right

and pig pen begins with P and Paris begins with the letter P so it's I should have had messy hair you should have had messy hair but the funniest thing about the messy hair is at the end of the briefing room scene where Chacote dresses you down basically right yeah it tells you

Another awkward moment with Chacote. There's been a couple. Yeah, but the thing is, he says two things. He says, you need to be on time and you need to be properly dressed. And I'm like, what? He is properly dressed. It's not about the hair being all like, it's all over the place. Because I felt that, and before he even said that line, I kept thinking,

hmm, his hair's messed up, but his uniform's perfect. Perfect. It would have been funnier if. Yes. missing elements of your uniform or it was that it was unzipped half a skew yeah exactly it was you yes and i think in the later not to jump ahead but later with balana she says something like look at you you're a mess and i'm thinking not really like my hair might be a little less hair sprayed but other than that yeah like the uniform looks fine it looked fine like maybe if

you'd come in without the under mock turtle neck and it you just had the outer jumpsuit what that had been funny, you know. I mean, something, but it didn't happen. It was just your hair. So properly dressed, it seemed weird. It seemed weird. I agree. I want you to be on time and you need a look professional is what I would have said,

meaning your hair is like everywhere, right? And let's face it, the beginnings of the Torres and Paris relationship, you owe it all to Janeway. Janeway is the one who assigns Paris to work. work with Torres on this whole thing, which doesn't make any sense because you would think it would be Harry that is working on. Yes, I agree. Why is Paris down? Why is the pilot going down to work over there, right? I agree. Yes. And by the way, when they get in the, they get in engineering and they're talking and Paris is like, what's up? And she admits that, you know,

this weapon, I programmed this thing. And, and she goes, I didn't tell Chicoke. and she goes and he you know i didn't tell him i did it anyway and and then all of a sudden she says something like you know chokote in his soft voice i have it i wrote it down oh my god said all he said in that damned soft voice of his and i felt hmm she still got the hats for chakotay right she mm-hmm yeah you're just you know it's not happening for parents yet oh it's It's not happening for Paris. She's still stuck on Chacote. That damn soft.

I wrote, she likes his soft voice. Gross. That's what. I was like, gross. That's so middle school of you. I know. Gross. Yeah.

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Unstoppable. I like that. Yeah. All right. Let's go back to where we were. All right. So we're in engineering. Engineering.

We have backstory with Paris, right? A little backstory there. You fought with Collins about something. I know. And so as much as you feel bad and gross about that damn soft voice line, your little fighting with Collins, there's a little twinkle in Bologna's eye when she looks at you, kind of sort of like a look of familiar. familiarity like, hey, you're like a rebel and a fighter like I am. You're the human version.

Not like Chacote with his soft voice. Soft voice, exactly. He's more of a lover than a fighter and you're a fighter. Exactly. She's a fighter. So there's the beginnings. The beginnings. That's the beginning. A little peep of relationship. Yeah. And by the way, I say in that scene, Paris says in that scene, he says, I'm the one who's been wrong about a lot of things. things. What did he mean by that? He goes, I'm the one who's been wrong. I was very confused. Like, it was very heavy and loaded the way that I played it. And I was like, yeah, what have I been wrong? I don't know. I'm not sure either. I wish that I had not played it so heavy because it seemed like overkill because nothing else happened in the episode that was. So how would you have played it? You would have played it like really jokingly? Yeah, I've been wrong about it. Yeah. I've

wrong about a lot of things like okay just throw away a throw away then yeah I wish I throw it away but instead I was like I'm the one who's been wrong about a lot of things I don't know this is your do-over you've already gone to your do-over right I'm not going to say that that's my do-over but I'm going to say that that's my do-over okay okay let's move on um we have a quick scene with naughty Michael Jonas, played by Rafael Sabarge doing his spy stuff. Noddy, naughty boy, talking to it. A new Kazon now. Yeah. He had a different Kazon rep. Which is sort of like, now there's a middleman and Jonas can't seem to get to SESCA directly. And so we're sort of setting up like, oh, are there Kazon factions? Yeah. Well, he's never been able to get to

CESCA directly. It's always been a middleman. But this is a a different middleman. He's got a new middleman. It's like the other guy got fired. So, you know, he has a new middleman. Yeah. Let's see. Oh, Janeway, back on the bridge. Janeway is now speaking with the Rekosin First Minister Kellan, which I couldn't hear. I liked this actor, by the way. Keller, Kellyn, Kellyn, Kellyn. I'm going to say Kellyn. Yeah, you like Kellyn? I like this actor a lot. I thought he was really good, by the way. He was more subdued. He had a more of a very grounded and very real. and I liked more of a damned

soft voice is what he had you know kind of he had more of a Chikote vibe going on yeah he had

a Chucote soft voice vibe as opposed to the rebel fighter right like Bola in Paris

yes now did you notice while she's talking to Kellen on the view screen there is that shot

the camera is basically on the view screen but you do see Janeway in the foreground

and the back of her bun has a hole in it it's like what Are you doing? Like, it's a hole, the kind of hole that you look at when you watch when the weatherman's...

It looks a lot like when they're doing the weather and the guy goes, and we've got a hurricane here off the Florida coast. And as you see, the eye of the hurricane is that hole like that and everything else is swirling. It looks like the eye of the hurricane, the back of her head at the back of her bun, exactly. Or she has her own black hole in her bum. The bun really had a personality of its own for the first couple years. It really did. it really did every episode the bun of steel seemed to change a mind of its own is what it was the bun of steel became the bun of hurricane eye of the hurricane so uh that's what i noticed

i'm shocked that you didn't see that small detail i did not see that i also thought it was interesting that that um that this alien kell is that kellan kellum kellum kellum i thought it was interesting that he again says oh we've heard about your ship captain you guys are aggressive your trouble you have a reputation yeah but it was interesting those first couple of years that we were developing a reputation in the delta quadrant yeah like if they were all talking to each other why weren't we part of that conversation like why weren't we saying hey we're they alpha alpha quadrant we just want to get the heck out of here like you know why weren't we in conversation with all these people who seem to be gossiping a lot

about Voyager yeah you notice that that reputation that voyager has is pretty much the reputation that paris has troublemaker you know doing all these things it could have been the USS Paris you know instead of the voyager balana goes over she she beams over to the ship and i got to be honest i found it very distracting at first that um balana was talking to her herself that like at first i was like wait a minute this is weird like the whole concept i just found it very distracting it was hard to kind of buy into the story yeah like roxan is hearing her own voice and by the way i was very impressed that roxan was able to do so much of this episode probably with cosmo genovese our script supervisor reading the lines off camera yeah this was not you know what

she ended up hearing in the in the episode was her own voice but probably 99% likely is Cosmo our script supervisor was reading the lines off camera for her at the time so she really did a great job with sort of interacting with so much of this episode was her own voice well my take on her hearing her voice as the computer voice on the missile was not I wasn't annoyed by that I was more impressed by it. Like, I kept thinking, hmm, she has a really good computer voice.

Like, she could do, like, she could do Major Barrett's. Oh, yeah. Oh, that would be interesting if, if Roxanne,

if Roxanne came back, like in discovery or something like that, as a computer. Oh, yeah. Oh, that would be really fascinating. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I found it really interesting, this whole idea of a smart weapon, that this weapon has adapted itself. Obviously, it becomes a big part of the plot, but you know sort of adapted and improved itself and is willing to question every every move i thought the smart weapon idea was very yeah very interesting and also very um very relatable to where we are these days i mean you know obviously this was season two it was 1996 there was probably drones were

first appearing drone weaponry things like that smart weapons um remote missile technology so this idea of artificial intelligence combined with weaponry combined with the ability to evolve and adapt is a very scary combination you know this whole this whole premise I think is a very scary combination because we do have this artificial intelligence that is now this episode's 20 years old but yet it's very current you know that that these kind of weapons weaponry things like that could develop their own their own priorities their own decisions oh yeah yeah yeah i mean it doesn't seem it doesn't seem that far-fetched when you're watching it now in 2020 when you watch this you're like okay that definitely can be you know the future of

missiles in our world, right? So I agree on that one. I like the fact that the missile was called, the missile called it the Delta Quadrant Deception. I thought, man, that's a good name for something. I don't know. A band, some type of a book, autobiography. And next on stage, the Delta Quadrant Deception. I just like that word. We have type six photon torpedoes. Did you that we had type six photon torpedoes. Oh, yes, I did. I did. You are so smart. I'm like, huh, we have type six.

Because we try to use that on the missile, and it really didn't work. So type six is kind of lame. I also thought it was interesting that the, you know, hearing Roxanne's voice as the computer of the weapon. And the back and forth between Roxanne is Bolana and Roxanne is the weapon, the chess match that was going on. and it was really fascinating. And I think it would be interesting to see.

My guess is that Roxanne filmed her film part first and then went in and looped in post-recording editorially the computer voice. So she was having to sort of react in this chess game that should have been a back and a fourth and a back in a fourth. So, yeah, this idea of sort of tricking it or out-maneuvering, the weapon out-maneuvering,

Roxanne, you know, Bolana. Balana out maneuvering the chess match with a weapon. It's a very delicate little balance. I thought Roxanne did a great job. She did a great job. And really, I don't think we have, I don't think any other character in all the episodes of Voyager had to act with their own voice like that.

Yeah, exactly. It's a very unique episode. You know, in the fact that it is Roxanne's voice that she's acting off of, I suppose. And it's just so, it's different, you know. And only in sci-fi will this, will this happen, right? So I liked it. I did find, I got to be honest, as the episode went on, like, this weapon was so skeptical of Bologna from the get-go.

Right. That part of me was like, why is the weapon allowing her to survive? There is, at one point, the weapon does say something like terminating humanoid life, life, you know, support or something like that. but it doesn't really terminate it because she's got oxygen. I'm just surprised. Well, it was taking it away, though. It was slowly taking the oxygen away.

Slowly taking it away. But part of me, even Balana says in the episode at one point, she goes, well, I'm surprised that you're still allowing me to survive or I'm surprised that you didn't kill me. I sort of agree. Part of me is like, if this artificial intelligence, this computer really thought that Balana was a threat,

on that very first zap from the panel that she pulls off I feel like why didn't the why didn't the weapon just take her out like if it really thinks she's a threat it would kill her it would it would ex you know electrocute her or something

it almost have an episode but it's it's kind of weird like why is the computer continuing to allow her to make moves in this game that the computer thinks B'alana is trying to trick it. Well, yeah, I hear where you're coming from.

And to me, the way I justified that, I kept thinking, well, she's kind of like it's creator in a way, right? She changed the programming. And so it looks at her as a parental unit or something. And it's sort of like, you know, I really, I still respect you. So I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to zap you. And I'm going to tell you the next time you try to do it,

I'm going to zap you harder like that. I'm not going to dis-eliminate you because you still kind of like made me who I am today. You know, I am the missile that I am because of you, Torres. So, you know, and maybe that's... By the way, just a little pause in the specifics. As we're watching this whole series, the first couple of seasons, I'm realizing, you know, this idea of a female captain of a female character with such strength and intelligence like Balana playing a Klingon or a,

a half Kling on. Roxanne had a lot of Balana had a lot of really great stories early on. I didn't remember that. So I'm really I'm happy to see that. Like I think Roxanne did a phenomenal job you know

looking at some of these episodes that we've watched recently like the character Balana had a lot of real estate to sort of develop and explore and grow and and I I thought it was it's real fun to watch Definitely. And to further that thought, you know, my memories of just the overall filming, I always felt that we didn't really get cooking until season four. You know, I felt the first three seasons were just like, eh, you know, kind of meh. But there have been some really cool episodes, that's for sure. So it's really nice to be able to finally see these all over again. The decision that Janeway makes to sacrifice the ship. Oh my gosh. And not just the ship, but her life.

and then the next decision for Tuvok to say, eh, I'll die with you. It's sort of like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And not only Janeway deciding to sacrifice herself and Tuvok offering, but on the other side, Balana willing to sacrifice herself. You've got these two strong female characters willing to sacrifice themselves. And Balana's talking about this hypothetical situation game. She's like, remember when we used to play?

the hypothetical situation game let's try that i thought it was funny she was going let's play a game and at one point she gets really mad at the computer she's like it's a game remember the hypothetical game and i was like balana like nobody wants to play the angry game don't maybe make it a fun game instead of the angry hypothetical game yeah when she was about to pass out because she was losing air i kept thinking why can't they just beam over an oxygen tank to her i don't get i mean that that would have been easy enough once we were we're able to establish a lock again in communications you know they could have beamed something over right that's true that i didn't yeah just yeah some oxygen over for god's sake

you know so i i don't know that the fact that the fact that janeway was willing to um you know get escape pods for the crew by the way all the dudes all the human male dudes including paris were just like sure i'm out of here captain see you later good luck like the vulcan's the only guy that sticks around it's basically like chainway okay this is that you're right everybody else is like yes ma'am i'm out of here jacote's out of there you're right and the way i justified that was i felt tuvac is already like what is he like 190 he's like really old he's a couple he's old so he kind of like eh you know i've been around for a couple of centuries it's okay if i die now you know kim's like 22 so maybe we should yeah okay

i'll do i'll do the dying so that's what i felt yeah i'm with you i'm with you both women are willing to sacrifice themselves none of the human dudes um by the way kate's like you know uh transfer all you know all helm control all ship control to the con and she sits down she is a good pilot by that way like did you see that move she makes when she leans like she's like just as the ship the weapon sort of detonates and uh yeah we beam balana back she's like yeah she does that banking move does that banky move it's pretty nice that was evasive maneuvers omicron six that's what that was Omicron, the old Omicron. The old Omicron maneuver.

Oh, and what did you tell her? You're like, hey, the Starboard, what did you? You said something like that. Oh, yeah, the Starboard and cells or something sluggish or something. I was like, oh, he's giving her little tips on how to maneuver the ship right now. Yeah, that was a moment where she was giving the order for abandoned ship, like starting the Warp Corps breach, and she was staring at Paris as she said. said it. And I was like, why isn't there a shot of Paris, like, reacting to, oh, my God,

you're doing this. Yeah, they missed that. It was just sort of this long push in on her, but she's staring right at me down front. And I was like, yeah, it seems like there should be a reaction cut, but. Yeah, we should ask Lavaar. Why Lovar? Why Lovar didn't you shoot a reaction shot of Paris? She's staring right at him, right at him, right at him. But then maybe they didn't want to have that sort of break away from. the captain's big. Or maybe it would have suggested too much like relationship stuff with Paris and Janeway. And clearly Paris and Balana are a thing now.

It's so not a thing. But it's okay. It still should be. Hey, she still called me Starfleet when we were in engineering. Sorry, when we were in the, I'm beaming her back over. And now I'm the transporter chief. And she says, okay, let's try it again, Starfleet. And I kept thinking, it should be me.

It should be me, not Paris. I kept thinking. know, I know, Garrett. Oh, my God. All right. So, and ultimately, Balana and Janeway are both willing to risk their lives. Yes. To risk everything to save these millions of people on this planet.

And Balana is the one just sitting in a little tube firing her little phaser at the, you know, at the weapon. that's what it comes down to yeah she's in a little tube yeah I remember when she was moving in that tube she was on her back like going back it just looks so funky when she was yeah moving backwards like that I was like no not on your stomach you're on your neck I remember

filming in some of those tubes and they were very claustrophobic sometimes you get in there uncomfortable very trapped yeah and the and the material they used to build the floor was very like sometimes pokey it would poke in your back you just It was not very comfortable.

It was not good at all. Do you have any other notes on this episode? I think that's it. I really enjoyed it, though. I have to say I really did enjoy this episode. I thought Roxanne did a great job. I love that it involved everyone. I thought our guest stars were also really good.

Agreed. I think it was, I mean, from a sci-fi point of view, I thought that were a lot of unanswered questions to me, honestly. Well, what would you say theme was, though? Because I had a bit of an issue figuring that out. I was well I would say for me the theme was I wrote it down here the theme of this episode is be careful of your dreams because they can sometimes backfire on you meaning like you know balana had these dreams of this weapon that was going to solve all her problems and in the end it came full circle and she had to deal with it you know she she developed this this weapon she

she sent it off on a mission without Chiquotay's approval. She did all this on her own and in the end she had to sort of deal with what she created. So be careful of your dreams. They can backfire.

That nothing is nothing is free, I guess. No, I would go back to my original. Instead of be careful, yeah, instead of be careful of your dreams, be careful of being like what would you call her doing that without chakotay's permission it is a what kind of move that she makes she made a well it's a it's a it's a rogue yeah uh rebellious it's

yeah the word i'm searching for is when you do something uh on a whim that has no thought behind it you just do it spontaneous yeah be careful of spontaneous choices Choices, yeah, yeah, it's more like, yeah, it's more of, uh, be careful of making decisions that are not, that you don't think through. Like if you just impulsive, impulsive. There you go. Be careful of, instead of your dreams, be careful of being impulsed, overly impulsive, because that decision may come back and bite you in your ass. That's what I, that's perfect. That's, that's, that's, that's the thing. Better, better said than, yeah. You like that. Instead of dreams, impulsive. Yeah. Yep. Impulsive choices. We, we came, we found that together, Robbie. I like that.

It was Kim and Paris all over again. This was fun. Yeah, it was a good one. Thanks a lot, everybody, for tuning in. Tune in next week when we review Death Wish. And that's not the Charles Bronson movie. Death Wish, the episode of Voyager. Thanks, guys.

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