The Delta Flyers - End Game Part II

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

This episode was recorded in early July 2023, before the SAG Strike.The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Endgame, Part II. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Endgame Part II:A time traveller forces Captain Janeway into a deadly showdown with her nemesis, the Borg Queen, and a romance ignites during Voyager's peril.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, Brannon Braga, Bryan Fuller, John Espinosa, & Ariana DelbarAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Daniel de Rooy, Chris Knapp, Michelle Z, Janet K Harlow, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, E, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Jenna Appleton, Alicia Kulp, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Adm. Bill "Seoulman" Yu, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Zachary Upton, Lori Tharpe, Mary Burch, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Mark Lacey, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Jeremy McGraw, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Michael Dismuke, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Matt Norris, Stephanie Lee, Daina Burnes, Morgan Linton, & David SmithAnd our Producers:James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Nikita Jane, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Species 2571, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Chris Bosdell, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Aaron Ogitis, Ryan Benoit, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Will Forg, Ryan Tomei, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Christian Koch, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Shane Pike, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Akash Patel, Jennifer Vaughn, Cameron Wilkins, Michael Butler, Ken McCleskey, Walkerius Logos, Abby Chavez, Preston Meyer, Lisa Hill, & Cerise RobinsonThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You...Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow actor, Garrett Wong, who on September 1st in 2008 was the only series regular actor from any Star Trek series to attend the closing ceremonies of Star Trek the experience in Las Vegas.

What? And myself, your favorite helmsman, Robert Duncan McNeil, Robbie D, RDM, whatever you want to call me. Remember, all you listeners, you can get the full version of this entire podcast with

tons of bonus material when you sign up to become a patron at patreon.com, the Delta Flyers. There you go. Wow, you pulled that one out. Yes, I was. I didn't even realize I was the only one there. You were the only series regular.

I was the only regular Star Trek actor to be there for the ceremony. What was that like? And I was there on my own volition, too. So it wasn't like they invited me there. So I wasn't there as a guest of there. Well, you, I know. It was, they became my family.

They did. Because when we went, did you go to the initial when they opened, the grand opening. I had gone to the experience when I was at, you know, different creation conventions or Vegas activities. But you didn't go when they, you didn't go to the grand opening? No. Do you remember they chartered a 747 for us and took all the actors?

We all got on board. I was sitting next to Nicole DeBoer on that flight. And then we went through red carpet. And Nicole and I went through red carpet together. We just met. And we went through red carpet like a couple basically. It was interesting. Oh, funny.

Yeah. And you didn't go on that one. No. Oh my gosh. And that was an amazing experience. And what happened was the manager and I became friends or me at the manager. There was probably two or three managers. I became friends with all the managers. And whenever I called up, I would say, hey, I'm coming in. And I'm bringing in the beginning. It was like, I'm bringing a friend. And we're going to go through the experience. And so they would give me comp admission through the experience, the ride itself. And then afterwards they would comp my lunch as well. with my guest. Okay. So then as the days and months went by, it would be, hey, it's Garrett, I got six people. Hey, it's Garrett. At one point, towards the end, Robbie, I remember one time I said, started taking fans through there. Oh, my gosh. I brought a group of 20 friends once. I said, I'm coming through with 20. They said, yep, no problem, Garrett, and we cover your lunch, too, with the 20 people. It was just, they were so generous to me. And I loved that experience. And when it shut down, I was so sad. And all the, I remember you were very sad. Well, not only was I sad, but the wall leading up to, you know, they put up like a, like a wood, you know, like a, like construction is going on.

Like they built some type of structure. And on that structure where thousands of post-it notes of people saying, please don't close, we love you, you know, stay here. And it was just, you know, heartbreaking to see how much that, you know, affected people. like that that ride or that that experience because it's like a museum and the ride and the and the restaurant and the actors that are in you know the costume they're in costume they're in cosplay they're in character they're walking up to you and interacting with you that was such a unique unique thing and the guy that played my son in that one episode that is the son of of myself and kess like you're remember that yeah yeah he ended up working there he was

working there as a Starfleet personnel so he went from being on our show to actually being over there working at the Star Trek experience so wow that's a great fact yeah and it feels like you know this is the last episode of our rewatch podcast that I thought it was appropriate yes it's very appropriate Robbie I know a lot of fans over the years built great memories there of times that they went to conventions and hung out together yeah and it was just such a great comfortable place to gather every year for conventions and yeah it was too bad yeah oh my gosh and it just you know and it was a exact replica of like corks bar and it looked amazing it was absolutely amazing and the food was good it was like you know it was bar pub food but still i remember singing

karaoke actually or singing performing in that bar for some convention it was fun like yeah yeah there's a little stage over there that they So that's what you end up doing. It was like an open mic night kind of thing, but they had you perform. Something like that. Yeah, I got up and sang a couple songs or something. Yeah, that's cool. Cool. So anyway, that's the Star Trek experience. Well, I'm glad that you were there. You were the only one, the only regular, series regular to be at that closing. And here you are for our closing. I am here. I am always at the closings. I guess. And you are here too, Robbie McNeil. Yes. We just want everybody to know.

about this last episode that Garrett and I are recording this a bit early because we just in case want to make sure that we get our episodes recorded before a potential strike. I hope it doesn't happen. But in case it does, we want to, we're so close to the end, we want to have all our episodes recorded. So we're recording this a little bit early. Right now we're going to go watch the episode. We are. And we'll be back to give your thoughts. We have completed the entire series. It's not how I remembered it. I remembered it being much more action,

but all the action happens at the very, very, very end. It's like the last two minutes of the whole thing. Other than that, it moves fairly slowly, to be honest. Really? I really liked it. It's funny because you had mentioned your memory, you like part one better than part two. Yeah, you like part two better than part one.

I like part two better than part two. better than part one yeah i don't think part two is as bad as i had it in my mind for the last couple few decades you know so i really i'm i thought it was a good yeah i thought it was a good part two i do i agree and it's funny my memory of the finale episode two-parter was that we got home and then we jumped forward in time that's why i've always been critical i'm like oh and then at the end they just skip everything and we go that's not at all how it happened no the four forward in time was all in part one. Right.

It was the first thing, and we never go forward in time at the end. We literally finish with the moment. We stay in our time, yes. The whole episode, by the way. Yeah. I realized after I watched it, I was like, oh, maybe one reason I liked part two better was it's all one timeline. Even though Future Janeway is now in our timeline, we don't jump to the other timeline anymore.

And that was a little bit tricky in the part one for me. But anyway, let's start with our poetry. Yeah, yeah. We have a poetry synopsis for part two, just like we did for part one. So here's my haiku for endgame, part two. Here we go. Janeway, briefs Janeway, game of chess with the Borg Queen. Homecoming at last.

There we go. Nice. All right, let's hear this limerick. It's kind of sad. That's your last limer. Or your last. My last haiku. Yeah, it's a little.

I'm crying. It's kind of sad. Yeah. It's your last haiku for the Voyager rewatch. You know what? We're going to do our what we wish season eight could have been, would have been. We're going to talk about that in a couple upcoming podcasts. And then we'll see where this podcast goes.

Maybe there's more poetry in our future. I really hope so. I think there might be. That's all I'm going to say. I think there might be more poetry in the future. We will brief you on that as we, as we have that information. But never fear. You got to have poetry.

Yeah. But for those of you who are sitting around thinking, gosh, this is the very last episode of the Delta Flyers. And now what am I going to do with my life? Well, never fear because we have a plan for you. I hope they have something more to do with their life than listen to this podcast. For some people, this is a very big part of their lives, including ourselves. It's a big part of our lives.

You and I, it's a huge part of our lives. So, and we've made many. many friends along the way and we have a lot of a lot of listeners reconnected with our crew our cast yes yes this is turned into an institution practically the delta flyers podcast so whatever we can do to prolong this to keep this going we will try our best we're going to need a building like in part one when they were at the star fleet communications headquarters we're going to need a building with a giant carved out sign the delta flyers headquarters that's we're that much of an institution Okay. Why not?

We're an institution. Okay. Here's my limerick. Let's get some more poetry in there. This is my last limerick for the Voyager story. Here we go. Through the Delta Quadrant, the Voyager did roam. Their adventures created quite a tome. An Admiral Janeway surprise brings the Borg Queen's demise.

and the Voyager crew finally makes it home. Oh, that's a good one. I like it. I had to try to wrap it up with a little, like, this is the last. You kind of gave it like this is a finality, a finality to that limerick recitation. So good job. Thank you.

I do want to say we do have a couple of other co-stars that we didn't talk about. So for instance, Richard Sartner. Sarset, which is really cool. I did not realize that he had a line, but he had lines as an admiral at the very end. And Richard Sarset, we know very well because he was Robert Beltron's main stand-in throughout the entire show. So Chakotay stand-in was Richard Sarset, who played the Admiral. His very first credit, Robbie, was a 1987 episode of Falcon Crest.

Oh, wow. Falcon Crest, classic 80s. Falken Crest. Rintime soap opera. It's absolutely amazing. It's interesting because if you go to IMDV and you type in Richard Starrstead, you get basically some photos as well of Richard Sarsed. Look at him. Oh, my gosh.

That's Richard Starset. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Look at how cool he looks right here. He was like a James Dean kind of guy. Oh, yeah. There's a picture of like Leonard Neumorne, black and white by an old car. So, yeah, Richard was very handsome, even as an elderly judge.

Oh, yeah. Look at this. Look at him. Look at him. Oh, my gosh. Look at Richard. He looks great. I mean, these are, these are awesome shots.

Those are awesome shots. He was, yeah, he was Chikote's stand in for years. He also was an extra on our ship many times. Oh, many times. Which is, I will say this now. I was going to say when we get to the scene. It was a little confusing to me because we were in the Voyager regular timeline. He should not have been an officer.

He was because we've established him as an extra. Oh, so they shouldn't have shown his, oh, you're right. But I'm so glad they gave him lines. Like, to me, break the rules. Yeah. He can play an officer on Earth at the same time that he should be on Voyager because he's such an awesome guy. I love that he got some lines. And he did a great job.

Yeah. It was great. The other person who got a co-star credit was Joey Sakato. Joey Sakada is one of our regular. And so his co-star credit was Engineering ND. So in one scene where Torres is talking about something like, we need to get this stuff done and she's talking to one person, it's Joey that's walking with her. And so that's why he got that credit.

His very first non-stunt credit is Star Trek Voyager as the engineering ND in 2001. But he did do some stunts on a project called True Vengeance in 1997 and also Red Corner where he did stunts. Wow. That's, yeah, but that's our, that's our Joey. Joey. Yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to give them a little bit of credit since they were also listed and I didn't talk about them. And part two was written by Ken Biller and Bob Doherty and story by Biller, Rick Berman and Brandon Braga.

Same thing. Yeah. Same director. So we got all that. Yeah. So starting off at the very beginning, we have that exterior space. shot of Voyager and Admiral Janeway shuttle. And I guess it's perspective, but good Lord, Janeway shuttle looks like it's half the size of Voyager. And I'm like, that's a big shuttle. But I guess

that's perspective. Yeah, it's closer. It's closer. So it looks bigger. Yeah. It's in the foreground. Yeah, it looked at the perspective was a little off. It was a little off. It didn't work for me. So that's all right. But we moved to a transporter room. We go in the transporter room and there's a wide shot from behind the captain, Janeway, as the admiral. beams in and that very first shot i immediately went that's not kate in the foreground that's not her back well what is it about cape mulgrew when she walks i can i can tell you can tell by her face i could tell by her stance her body language i was and and by the way in this episode there are so many scenes with kate playing scenes with herself that there were doubles in a lot of the scenes and

they did great but this is the very first one i was like oh that's not kate well you you know who you do know who it was it was it's always sue it's always sue i don't know if it was always sue are you sure about that because i recall sue walking around with the janeway wig on and i was like hey sue what are you doing you look like janeway i so i thought it was her but maybe i'm wrong yeah could have been i thought it was sue henley so okay yeah well the the admiral does beam in the captain says welcome aboard she looks at herself much older the admiral says back it's good to be back And then it cuts the Chocote and Tuvok. You see their faces?

They were just like blank face. It just made me laugh. It was so funny. It was the most like, what the heck? It was a W-T-H-W-T-F kind of facial. Yeah, it was very. It was like a little headcock or something. It was very funny.

Just blank expressions. Oh, gosh. That was great. We go in the ready room and here's a big long scene with the Admiral and Janeway talking to herself. Yeah. They talk about coffee. Janeway offers some coffee in the beginning.

And the Admiral says, no, I gave that up years ago. I was right. I drink tea now. That was the, yeah. Remember that? We talked about that. You said, like, that's all messed up. And I said, maybe she gave up coffee.

And there we are. She gave up coffee. So this makes sense. She gave up coffee. I loved Kate's reaction as the captain in the foreground. She pours herself some coffee. When the Admiral says, no, I gave it up years ago. Yeah.

Kate's reaction is like, oh. Oh, that's horrible. She's got a great reaction. You, yeah. Very funny. This is an important scene because this is Admiral Janeway kind of convincing current Janeway, Captain Janeway, that she is who she is, first of all. You know, because there's a lot of questions here, basically.

Yes. And in essence, we learned that she's brought some technology, some very cool tech to help us get back home. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, temporal technology and stuff to fight with the board. Or, just to go back to coffee for a minute. Yeah, sure. She talks about in Janeway's, you know, Admiral Janeway's timeline after this,

they had a battle with the Fendomar and the coffee cup was damaged. Oh, there you go. My favorite coffee cup took a beating. I was like, ah, that's where it was. That's how it happened. Yeah, during that. But we never experienced that. No, we never experienced it. It never happened.

So that coffee cup should be perfect after the end of this episode. The other thing that's cool is that Voyager, the ship is a museum in that time in the timeline of uh admiral dainway it's actually a museum which is pretty amazing that's very cool yeah but the admiral does talk about three days ago you you you saw these neutrino emissions and a nebula and you thought it might be a way home well you were right that is a way home and you've got to bring voyager back to that nebula and then the captain's like wait a minute and that it was crawling with borg and she says I've got technology, you can get past them.

Anyway, she's got this technology to fight the Borg, which we've never been able to do. So that's a huge from the future. That's a huge, you know, asset that suddenly we have a whole new way to approach this. And who from part one was insistent on going back to the nebula? Harry Kim. Harry was the one. He tried to convince Tom. Tom didn't want to do it.

Nobody wanted to do it. and the truth of the matter is that was the right move yeah janeway's still very skeptical she talks about how great the future sounds where the admiral's describing you've got all these weapons to fight the bore you got ways to travel through these nebulous and everything but um the admiral says if you don't follow my lead here it's going to take you another 16 years to get home and there's going to be casualties along the way yeah you're going to lose people. And when she says that, the captain's very throne, yeah, just a, you know, thoughtful you can see in Kate's expression. And then the admiral says, I know what you're thinking. Geneway's like,

oh, you're a telepath now. It made me laugh. Her reading of that line. Yeah. It was great. But she still is not 100% on board. So the admiral says, look, take me to the doctor. He will prove that I am you from the future. That's right. Yeah. So we go into sick bay. The doctor and the captain. or looking at a scan of her brain, they find this implanted microchip. And the doctor says, you know, there is Starfleet signature there. And then we cut over and there's the admiral

who's listening to them. And she says, of course, I told you. I'm who I say I am. Right. And then she says, this chip, you invented this chip doctor in the future. Yeah. And then suddenly the doctor's like,

oh, really? Tell me about all this cool stuff I did. So it was very funny. He leaves the captain and goes over to hear about how awesome he has. His amazing inventions. Yes. And we do learn it's a synaptic transceiver. And what that is, it allows the person who has a synaptic transceiver implanted into their brain.

It allows them to pilot a vessel that is equipped with a neural interface. Which is like Alice, like the episode Tom Paris had with Alice. It was the neural interface. And I think they talk about that later. I think when Tom hears about it, he says something about Alice. But that's cool that they're kind of pulling some of these older episodes together. Yeah. And then Seven walks in.

And when Seven enters, the Admiral looks at her very warmly. And Seven is very suspicious. She gives her the stink guy. She does. Like there's a lot of stink eye going on. Yeah, dramatic pause. The Admiral is because we're kind of guessing at this point that maybe seven. didn't survive and you know so the admiral hasn't seen seven in years so this is a emotionally

filled moment but seven comes in and talks about the technology she says yes a lot of it looks like it's built to defend against the borg and janway says can we put it on the ship and seven says well a lot of it's incompatible but we can adapt the armor and weapons for sure okay and january thinks about it and says okay let's do it yeah and then we go to this outside space yeah it's a montage but the first yeah montage over over a captain's log yeah the first shot is out in space with these space suit uh star fleeters tiny figures tiny figures working on the hull and i thought it was so well done this was just at the time where cg was coming in yeah to our show in a good way that we were starting to get kind of

confident. So those are little digital people on the outside of the hall. The shadows that they cast from the sun source or whatever is what really sold it to me, but really cool. We didn't do a lot of, we didn't do any of this, really. You think Mojo was a part of that? You think Mojo helped out with that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, we see the outside of the ship getting the whole, you know, enhancements. We see Bolana looking very pregnant, working and installing in engineering and then we see the captain on the bridge looking at herself and and over it this is all a montage over her captain's log but i thought in the in the moment where the admiral is talking to tovac and chakotay at tuvok station kate said something but you couldn't hear it because it was

the captain's log was over it yeah and they all laughed and i just wondered like what did kate say like they knew that they weren't she was pointing at something and they all went oh they were MOS at that point right so what was it I wonder what she said if there's lip readers out there let us know they should lip read what she said because I'm sure they were being inappropriate probably knowing that it was not going to the sound was not going to be used yeah well I can think about our like college and NFL coaches covering their mouths when they're saying the plays because they're afraid that the other team has employed. lip readers that are going to know the play it's like i wonder if she said or if she said something that was appropriate she might have kate was very responsible so she probably was yeah trying to behave herself but if it was you or me or if it was ethan phillips something would have been coming out of that yeah absolutely absolutely we go to the cargo bay and seven comes in to regenerate begin regeneration cycle and as she starts we push in on her face yeah and suddenly we hear the board queen You hear the queen's voice, 7 of 9, tertiary adjunct of Unimatrix 01.

And then 7 looks across and suddenly she's not in the, she sees the boar queen right there. Yeah. And so she's going kind of into her head and the queen has brought her in the collective, brought her over to the board queen ship. Yes. And I'm going to say, just to interject very quickly, of all the actresses that have played, because there's been more than one actress that has played the board queen. played the board queen i still got to say alice alice creig is still my favorite oh my gosh i mean she she adds such nuance to that character you know what i'm saying i mean it's vulnerability like strength with vulnerability that's that's what people don't understand that that is

something that's very difficult to do to show strength and vulnerability at the same time it's not easy i think that's uh that's something that alice does um in spades she's so good in this role it's unbelievable yeah yeah go ahead sorry i interrupt well so she starts talking to her you know why can't old friends just talk and uh she says that uh voyager got a visitor from the future and seven responds she says well you may be able to talk to me while i'm regenerating but i'm no longer a drone so i don't answer to you yeah and i just thought wait a minute she can communicate while she's regenerating why can she talk to her all the time has this happened before or does she have to be in proximity or something?

I don't know. It just was a new rule that I was like, wait a minute. She's been talking to the Borg Queen while she regenerates. But her link, her link to the collective has been severed. So she does not have a link to the collective. But maybe when she's in the regeneration cycle, because of the tech that's involved in the actual, you know, the regeneration alcove that she's standing in,

maybe that is how the Bore Queen is able to, you know, get to her. But it is a little confusing. It's a rule that I didn't know. I didn't know that she could talk to her. Yeah. But it's cool. It's very cool. We did have examples of that, Robbie.

Remember when Unimetric Zero when her boyfriend was talking to her through her regeneration cycle? Right. So that did happen there too. So we did see that once. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. The queen says, you have always been my favorite seven, which I thought was, that's big news.

And I was wondering if Harry was going to, you know, hook up. the board queen should now that she's reappeared i was waiting for her to say you've always been my favorite but now i have a new favorite harry kim her something like that she didn't do that no she didn't know the queen does threaten her at the end of this conversation you know seven is defensive we're no threat to the collective we just want to get back to the alpha quadrant yeah and the queen says uh if you enter my nebula again i will destroy you yeah and then she like makes the the regeneration alcove kind of spark and yeah and it overloads in some way we're back in the in the in the cargo bay and seven collapses down on the on the ground and yeah very dramatic the queen did say that she has

no objection to the crew wanting to stay away from my nebula but don't use my nebula yeah you can't use my shortcut but you can take the long way home the other 16 you know however many more years that was 16 more years. Yeah. So, yeah. So we're back in sick bay. The doctor's taking care of seven. He says that there was a low energy e.m. surge. And, but she seems to be okay. Seven tells them it was the board queen. And she said that she would assimilate Voyager if we went back to that nebula. Right. And Jane was like, why is that so important? So there's a little clue that something's there in that nebula that the queen does not want us to get into. The admiral says, that it doesn't matter.

She says, the Admiral says it's not going to, that the Board Queen would not be able to make good on her threat. And at that point, I'm thinking, why is Admiral Janeway so confident? Because she really is sitting there with, she's cool as a cucumber. Oh, yeah. And she's just like, nope.

Yeah, whatever the Board Queen is going to do, ain't going to work. And it's very, you know, so now as an audience member, you're wondering, what does Admiral Janeway have up her sleeve? Mm-hmm. Yeah, she says she ran into the board quite a few more times before they made it home.

So she's got this technology and tactics. She knows she can defeat them. She wouldn't be here today if she couldn't. So Chenewe says, okay, we'll go to the nebula, but stay at Red Alert because we're going to, you know, need to scan for Borg while we head there. Yeah. We go into astrometrics and Chocote runs into C-7, and we have a nice soap opera scene here with love between Chacote and seven. so many love looks and smiles and just it's it's a lot were you going you were you still going yeah it's it's not that i i don't think they could ever be a couple it's that there's just

no set up for it not it's just it's like you know we like i said before we spent years developing the the tom and balana relationship and so when there's scenes about their connection, it doesn't just feel like, you know, they want to jump each other's bones. It's like Tom and Balana really feel like they've got, they argue, they are vulnerable with each other. They talk about work. They talk about their lives. They joke with each other. It's, you know, whereas this just feels like it's immediately out of nowhere we've gone to, you know, oh, I can't take my eyes off of you. It's just too quick. You haven't shown us. You haven't shown us. the backstory. You haven't shown us why you two matter to each other. You know, it's like a,

this is like a bubble gum relationship. It's like, what's, you know, this is like a little puppy love thing. And it's, and it's a little bit annoying. You're right. It's sort of like, oh, this again. Yeah. I do like, by the way, what what the scenes bring out in seven in a way that she softens. She's, she's got emotional nuance and things that in these scenes. That's really great. I just wish I knew how why she's softening why he is the one that's why do he unlock yes why did he do that I wish we could have seen it because then we'd buy it yeah buy this relationship I would totally buy the little looks of like gosh I can't I can't spend a minute apart from you kind of thing going on and we would buy that but

we don't know we don't understand it okay moving on anyway so they have a nice scene where they actually you know they have this love looks and smiles at the beginning. It's all very passionate. And then they're like, no, we got to stay professional. And then they start calling each other like, Seven says there's no board activity within 10 years. And Chikote's like, well, that's good news, crewman. So he starts calling her crewman. And she's saying, yes, sir, no, sir. It's very formal. Yeah. And it ends with him saying, you know, whatever happens here, I want to make sure I'm in transport a range of you. Right. When they get back to Earth, like what are your plans? Yeah, when they get back to Earth.

He wants to be close to her. So it's a cute scene. It is. It is. It is some fun stuff. All right. We move on to engineering and I have to ask you a question. Isn't this where Joey Sakata is walking next to Torres?

Yeah, I think it is. I don't want this whole system crashing because of one faulty relay and stall new ones. But I don't remember Joey saying, yes, ma'am. Does he speak? I think he did. He did? He did? I think they loop grouped him because I didn't, I didn't see his mouth move.

And I don't remember. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah. And then she calls to someone else. So she's, Boulana is putting. all this tech in that Admiral Jane we brought from the future, and Paris comes in. Yeah. And he says, hey, Balana, and her immediate response is, shouldn't you be on the bridge?

Like, aren't you supposed to be working? And I thought to myself, this is a real relationship. Off of that last scene that was just so love to do. I was like, oh, this is what real couples do. Oh, yeah. Why are you calling me now? Aren't you working? Yes. And it's funny that they put these scenes back to back because now it shows the audience like, yes, we do believe in Paris and Torres. We don't believe in Chigote and seven. They actually made it even more evident by doing this back to back scene. So, you know, they kind of, they kind of shot themselves in their own foot. The writers did on that way. It was a fun contrast of an older relationship or a deeper, you know, long-term relationship and then the puppy love of new love. But very funny. He follows her around.

Also, I want to say, Alan Craker did a beautiful job in the scene because it is a oneer. Like, it's a long, it brings her over, then it turns around. So starting with Joey, starting with Joey at the runner, all the way over. All the way over. She goes down to talk to somebody working under a console, reveals Tom coming in. Right. We lead them all the way around the warp core in a 360. Yeah.

And when you do these kind of scenes, I think Picardo mentioned this when we had them on the show. You have to get everything right. There's no cuts in here. So the dialogue has to be the right pace, the right lines, the right focus for the camera operators. There's a lot of elements going on. And this 360 with all this movement and Tom coming in and the two of them on the walk and talk all around the work core was great, really well done by Alan Craker. And I love his joke when he's, Tom's joke when he says, oh, I could offer to give you a massage, but then everybody would want one. That made me laugh.

made me laugh yeah it was a good scene although do you think it was proper for you to actually kiss her on the job though i thought that was oh i was like uh-oh but they're talking about the baby at that point i get it but you guys are in a you're still in the work i mean you're still in engineering you're not in the quarters aren't we didn't we walk all the way around okay i guess i just don't recall you guys ever kissing on the job before you know what i'm saying on the bridge or anywhere so to me that was a little odd. I didn't understand. I did like this exchange at the end. It was very tender and sweet. Oh, it's very tender. Yeah. Did get into coverage there in a nice way. There's a nice kiss at the end. Not a chance. He said, you know, she says, oh, you flyboys are all the same. You'll take the,

you'll take the first piloting assignment back home that comes along and leave me to deal with a baby. And he says, not a chance. Gives her a kiss. And then when I pulled back, I noticed that there was a shadow and I moved over to clear her light. And those are the little things like, as they, as the audience you don't notice when the key light is behind you and you know you're shadowing the other actor to be able to i was just impressed with myself i was like oh look at me moving over to clear her light it was that's because we work together a lot yeah and also because you're the true professional you're able to clear that light and that's i work with a lot of actors as a director who are not as familiar with some of the technical stuff and that's one of the most common

problems is, you know, actors are getting in tight with each other for a scene and they don't realize they're shadowing. They're shadowing the other actors key light. And it's so, oh my God, it's so annoying because, Robbie, we see it all the time in finished projects that they air on streaming platforms or anywhere that you actually see the other actor completely blocking out the light of the other one. And it's dark. And it's the only take they have. So they got to use it. Right. So they're like, they're up the creek. I was happy that I cleared her light. That was, One of my favorite things. It's like the time when you were sweating on the side of your face away from camera.

I thought that was a very, very professional view. Thank you. We go out to space. We see the nebula again. Voyager's approaching the nebula. And on the bridge, Jane we calls it to Torres, deploy the armor. We go back to space and we see that armor from the future unfold around the entire ship, which is super cool.

And then we pull back from a monitor, we realize it's the, queen's monitor that she's watching this happen. Intent. Yes. And she fires as the armor is just finishing, you know, wrapping around the ship, the cube, the queen fires at the, at the ship. And Tuvok says it's working. Yeah. The armor's integrity is 97%. So it seems pretty good. Very good. Yeah. The cube continues to fire at Voyager, but it's doing okay. Three cubes are now out there and they're all firing, but it's the shields are holding. But we do start to lose integrity. The armor is going down to 50%, down to 40%.

Jamie says, okay, let's attack them then if they're going to keep firing at us. Right. She says, target the lead cube, fire the transphasic torpedo. Transphasic torpedo. So basically what they did, Robbie, was they modified with future technology. one of our existing photon torpedoes that does not exist. Exist. We have new torpedoes called Transphazic torpedoes, which is cool because they're very effective.

Like one torpedo basically blows the entire cube up. It's like, bye, bye, cube. Yes. The cube, the cube blows up. Jamie says target the second cube. The queen is watching as her cubes are getting blown up, one, two, and then the third one decides to take off. and so it breaks off in the cube exits leaves and chikote says distance to the center of the nebula 7th says less than 100,000 kilometers so we're heading right into that nebula we arrive we cut out to space and we see this like spider webby kind of thing inside the nebula yeah never seen it before no janeway says what the hell is that but the admiral says alter course mr. to enter the aperture at coordinates 3, 4, 6 by 4.2.

So Admiral just says, go, go, go, go inside it. And Janeway's like, wait a minute. I asked you a question, what is that thing? And the Admiral says it's a road home. And Seven says that's, it's not just a road home. It's a trans warp hub. So this is a major Borg asset that they can use. And Janeway says that Seven said there were only six of them in the entire

galaxy yeah and so this is a really important thing jamie wants more information but the admiral says let's just get back to the alpha quadrant and janeway thinks and she says nope let's turn around take us out of the nebula yeah everyone's confused paris is like very captain she says you heard me out of here and admiral the admiral tries to order paris to go into the aperture but janeway says No way. This is my bridge. Yeah. And I'll have you removed if I have to take us out of this, this nebula. That is so funny, though.

I just, the admiral removing, captain removing herself from the bridge. It's just that whole concept. That idea is just funny to me. And I'll remove you, which is me. She outranks her. Yeah. Me, the lowly captain is going to order you the future admiral off the bridge. Yeah.

I'm going to take you. And I was at this point in the. story, I was so confused. I'm like, why is she doing this? I have no idea. Yeah, it's a little confusing. But we get an explanation, right? An astrometrics lab in the next scene. Yeah, yeah. Seven explains this, this hub connects with thousands of conduits, with endpoints all over the four quadrants. It allows the board to deploy vessels anywhere they want in the galaxy within minutes. So this is a huge tactical hub for them. Yes. Yes. And Janeway basically says, all right, well, how do we destroy?

it. And I was like, oh, that's why she didn't want to go home. She wants to take out the ability to jump around. To even come to Earth. Yeah, to jump out to where we're at. And I did notice in this scene, I started noticing a pattern. Admiral Janeway is always standing off to the side away from the captain and other, because you had Kate playing both roles. You had to stage it in a way. You know, you couldn't do every scene with them right next to each other because you'd have Viz effects and split screens and all kinds of things. So they staged her again off to the side sitting by herself. Sure.

But she says it's a waste of time. You know, you try to destroy this thing and she's just going to adapt and you might get rid of one or two, but you're never going to destroy the whole thing. You're never going to, you know, blow one up and have the whole thing, you know, collapse. You won't have enough time to do it. Yeah. And also the structure itself is, it's shielded. So it's not, you know, it's not.

you know it's not easy to take the whole thing down yeah yeah so the admirals in the scene is like you know you might get rid of one or two things but you're not going to destroy it also let's just go back home let's just go back enter this nebula and uh jane was like you know what we're going to find a way to destroy it you take a walk with me and you've got janeway and the admiral on a walk and talk oh my god doing a walk and talk with herself with herself i don't know how they did it i honestly don't It was a very tricky scene to shoot with the two of them. It looks great. It looks wonderful.

But I will say this. I feel that this is probably the biggest episode for Kate Mulgrew on the entire show. In terms of her time commitment of having to get back into makeup to look like Admiral Janeway. This is huge. Oh, my goodness. I can't even imagine how many hours. And double shooting scenes. Oh, God.

Yeah. And then come back the next day and make up and shoot the other half. She earned her salary every cent on. this episode right here yeah right but janeway argues that if we could you know cripple the borg by destroying some of this even we could save millions of lives right and and the admiral's like you know you're this isn't a goodwill mission this is you know i came here to get you home and you're not going to get home if you try to fight the borg right there is a moment where they're walking the two of them and they come into a two shot beautifully done the profile shot looks great as they

walk up into this, you know, standoff with the two of them. And Janeway basically says, you know, you're being cynical and we can do this. And I hope I never become as cynical as you, which is interesting. The biggest part of the conversation when the admiral goes to Janeway's leadership and how she is responsible basically for trapping them all in the Delta. Roder, that she put other people's lives ahead of her crew, and now they're all stranded. And the admiral's basically saying, don't make that mistake again. Don't put other people's lives ahead of your crew, take care of your crew, go home.

Captain Janeway says, look, you got Voyager home, which means that I, your younger self, will also do the same thing. So if it takes a few more years, then that's just fine. But before she finishes her line, Admiral Janeway pulls the ace out of the hole. which is 7 of 9 is going to die. So that was the huge news that she pulled out. This stops Janeway in her tracks. Absolutely. She has no clue that this is going to happen.

Admiral Jamway says three years from now, injured on an away mission. She'll make it back to Voyager. And then she will die in the arms of her husband. So now we learn that 7 of 9 and the Admiral's timeline becomes the wife of Chakotay. And that Chacote will never be the same after 7's death. And neither will you. Captain Janeway.

So, and then Janeway's like, okay, well, if I know this, then now I can avoid it. But Admiral Janeway's like, no, just not only seven. There's another 22 crew members, basically. We're going to die. Yeah. Yeah, she starts giving her the facts. You want to stick around here, people are going to die. Right.

And I love in that two shot when Kate, as the captain walks behind the admiral, it's beautifully done because it's got to be a split screen with rotoscoping going on. It's technically a tricky shot, but it totally feels like Kate is in both of those roles in one shot. Yeah. Really well done. Very seamless. And the final thing she says, she talks about Tuvok and his neurological condition. Yeah.

And it's going to get worse. But if you go back now, you can fix him. Yeah, there's a cure in the off-podge. There's a cure, but he's got to go now. He can't. It'll be too late if you walk away from this opportunity. So loaded scene, she spills a lot of beans, and we go to the ready room. Janeway is talking to Tuvok.

He appreciates her concern, but he says, I'm fine, don't do this for me. The doctor's managing my condition. Yeah, I did notice that Tim didn't look at Kate during this scene. He was sitting down. She's kind of pacing around and standing up. You can tell that he's torn. He's saying, you know, don't do this for me, but you can tell how worried he is about this condition. But it's very serious. It's called Faultorvo. And the condition is not Faultorvaux.

The way to fix it is called Faultorvo. And that's a mine meld with another Vulcan that that is compatible. And there's no one here on the ship that can do it. But if they went home, his family members could do it for him. So. Yeah, but isn't the, there's also a drug that will help him too, right? The experimental drug. That's what I thought that. So he's talking about Fault Raveau, which is a Vulcan ritual or something to help him. That will fix him. What? No, that will fix him.

But what about the medication, though? In the future? Yeah, the premexylene. She goes, remember when Janeway goes to the doctor in part one? She goes, I need a thousand cc's of permaxylene or whatever, and I need it by tomorrow. So I thought that was what she was going to give to it. What is that for then? See, that's for her trip or something.

That's for her to go to her temper. time jump maybe? Yeah, the only way Tuvok can get fixed is to go back and mine melt now. Another Vulcan. If he waits too long, there is no fixing it. Gotcha. I do love that Tuvok in this scene at the end quote Spock. Yes.

He says to quote Ambassador Spock, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I love that that we, you know, in this final episode, we're bringing in such mythology. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Next, we're in the cargo bay. clearly seven has been told the truth by the admiral that she will die and uh seven is thrown

you can see it in in jerry's performance she does a great job you know the admiral saying just tell your captain that you know the cost is too high you're going to die and seven's like no i can't i can't do it i won't despair yeah yes yeah and and she does seven's logic about it is well now that i know the consequences in the future, they're no longer a certainty. Maybe I can change it, you know. Right. But even if they were a certainty that my death would be a small price to pay for the destruction of this entire network.

So Seven's on board with Captain Janeway. And even though she knows she may die, you know, she's willing to follow her captain. So the Admiral is not getting anywhere. Even the Admiral even tries, you know, she talks about people who love you, you know, your colleagues your friend people who love you imagine the impact that your death is going to have on them and uh seven that that does throw seven a bit because then she's like you know what i've got work to do and she leaves and then we go to the briefing room with all of us i think this is the last scene that we shot where all of us were together you mean including seven and yeah

i think so you're not counting you're not counting the bridge scene because the very final scene that we filmed of the entire that i remember was the bridge scene that was oh maybe it was last last last scene this briefing room scene was not the very well this is the final briefing room scene then it is the final briefing room scene it's a big scene because it's got harry speech in it so that's got a big speech from harry yeah the other thing i noticed in the scene we all have our coffee mugs yeah and i remembered reminded me i know when we were filming the scene that beltrane and i were playing that stupid game with the coffee mugs where we we like try to make each other laugh with doing weird action with coffee mugs like smelling the coffee

or you know drinking it or starting to drink it and then and then not drinking it right like coming up and then bring it down yeah and two goop balls even phillips did it first and some briefing room scene a ways back but beltrane and i kept it going and i tim russ would not participate you would not participate but beltrane and i i remember and we might have done it in the scene it's not in the cut but when I saw the scene I was like I think

because I remember Alan being there and him going come on guys stop it we kept doing these weird things with the mug so I kept looking for something I think Beltran sort of looked at me and smiled in the cut

at one point but none of our business is in the scene but I wish it was it was fun it was a fun game okay so I actually I actually memorize this line for some of my came

actually. Oh, you do? I think it's safe to say that no one is more obsessed with getting home than I have. And, but when I think about everything that we've been through, maybe it's not the destination that matters. Maybe it's the journey. And if that journey takes a little bit more time, wait, no, no, if that journey takes a little longer so we can do something that we all believe in, then there's no place that I'd rather be or any people that I'd rather be with. And then I thought I said to the journey at the end, but actually you say to the journey after I say that, speech you yeah so you add that on good job on that speech by the way it was a really really well-done speech well written speech most definitely and craker as usual stages things really really well

and i'm really glad i had the coffee cup while we were filming because i'm sure it made me laugh i have to go back and watch can you see it's not in the cut oh dang it no because craker allen kept getting mad at us i remember we were filming he's like stop it's like he knew you guys We're gooping off. Yeah, yeah. I, my gosh, that's so funny. Yeah. Wow.

Okay. I would be so mad at actors now that I'm a director. Yeah, if they did that to you, you'd be like, dude, stop it. Let's just get, let's get through the day. But we do to the journey. We've got this moment. It's basically a scene where we're behind, you know, we're behind the captain and we'll take longer if that's what it takes.

Everyone agrees. We go into the mess hall and the admiral orders. coffee. Coffee. And captain's like, I thought you gave it up. And Admiral says, well, I've decided to revive a few of my old habits. Yay, coffee. Yay, coffee. And the Admiral realizes, you know, I forgot how much the crew loved you. And they loved being together. It's a very sweet scene. Right. You know, this is your crew, not mine. And the Admiral kind of accepts her decision. And so she suggests, she says, look, maybe. you know if I help you with your decision with your mission the way you want to do things we can have better odds and then Janeway takes a step further she's like well wait a minute maybe there's a way we can have both you can have what I want and what your plan is get us home and damage this thing right a two for one yeah and the Admiral says well there may be away but it's very risky yeah and Jamie says well let's talk about it and then the Admiral finishes with

The coffee, she goes, you know, I don't know why I ever gave this. Yay, coffee. Yeah, so many two-handers with Kate and herself, by the way. It's just, this was a point in watching the show. I was like, wow. Yeah. A lot of two-handers. And by two-handers, I mean scenes with only two characters and Kate was playing both sides of it.

And I do remember when I finished, and maybe it was on the bridge, the last scene that I did before I left. Kate said something to me like, you know, I'm really sad because I have to work like another couple of days or something. And it's just me. You guys are all done. And I've still got a couple of days of work. And it's just me and the crew. Yeah. And so she must have shot a lot of these scenes after we had all been wrapped.

Yep. Like this scene, I would guess. The scene in Messhole, I bet she shot after we were all gone, which is very sad. It's very sad. She finished alone, you know. Agreed. We go into Admiral Janeway's shuttle. The captain enters.

They basically have come up with a plan. We don't know what it is, but Janeway gives her a hypospray, some kind of hypospray injection. What was that? I don't know. Is that the virus? Maybe that's the pro po, pro, or something. Yeah, or whatever, right? Maybe it's that medicine you were talking about.

Maybe, maybe, maybe. Yeah. maybe I don't know what it was but it was something to help her it was maybe it was the nanopro that you know because later on well we'll get there but later on when she's being assimilated yeah she's able to use that to do something so maybe this is using some seven technology and some of her future technology and coming up with the way that's going to help her trick the board queen or infect it's it must be the infection that the board queen dies from basically

the Admiral is the Trojan horse. Okay, so she brings in the the contaminant, whatever it is that, yeah, that brings down the collective. So, yeah. So maybe that's what it was what was in there. Yeah. Okay. We go out to space. We see the Admiral fly her shuttle into the nebula and into this trans war pub. Yeah. We're back in astrometrics, seven in Chikote. But this time, it's not all lovey-dovey romantic.

Seven is very professional. She's cold. his ice and they have a bit of an argument you know she's like i don't want to talk about it she's being very professional um she's not joking she's not sweet cote gets loud in this he gets loud he gets mad like what what's going on yeah you know we're we're we're on intimate terms we're yeah you know and and she says no not anymore we're not on with intimate terms and i he doesn't want yeah he doesn't want the nokee train to stop and she's like no it's it's done this train is We're done. Yeah.

And I was like whiplash. I mean, Chakotay probably felt like whiplash. Like, wait a minute. You just love me in the last scene. And now so he demands to know why. And she basically says, we both have dangerous jobs. And it's best that we don't have an emotional attachment with each other. Because one of us could get hurt.

Or seriously injured or worse is what she said. Yeah, or worse. So Chocote ends the scene with, you know what, being in a relationship involves. risk. And nobody can guarantee what's going to happen. But, you know, I know that if we stick together, our lives are going to be better no matter what happened in the future. His final line, he says, if you think I'm going to let you end this because of what might happen, then you need to get to know me a little better. And I thought the whole audience would have liked to have got to know your relationship a little better. Like, we don't know. We don't know what's going on here.

He also was very handsy with her. Like, he grabs her and turns her around. It's like, what? He's like very, very handsy in the scene. Yeah, not my favorite scene. Okay. Yeah, not my favorite story. But anyway, okay, moving on to Sick Bay.

We're in Sick Bay and Torres is in labor. And I love how angry she is in labor, yelling at the doctor. She's going to rip his holographic head off. When she screamed that I was laughing my butt off, this seems very funny to me. Yes. and it's not a false alarm we realize this is really happening but uh i also love that paris made a bet and yeah yeah he joined the pool that harry started he's like i might actually win when paris says that i started laughing again yeah yeah he picked 1500 hours it's i pick today i could

win this you did and she's like great i'm glad i could accommodate you yeah it's very funny uh january calls she's like we need you on the bridge he's about to say i can't come because Bilan is having the baby, but Tora says, no, you need to go. And if we're going to succeed, we need our best pilot at the helm. So get down there. And he says, on my way, I love how he sort of gives her a kiss. He kind of gives the baby, puts his hand on the belly. It was very sweet. Yeah. And then it's sweet. It's very sweet. And he goes to fly the ship and she says, okay, let's do this. Let's get the show on the road. Okay. Let me ask you. on the way. Yes. Did you notice there's a theme in this episode with Torres and you. She calls you

fly boy over and over. She never called you fly boy before that. It's almost like it's like that's what that would be something that she would call you in the beginning of your relationship. You know, it's sort of like, hey, fly boy. And all sudden it comes out now in the very final episode and she's never used that term of affection or that nickname for you. No, not really. So that was a little bit. It was either Bob Doherty or Ken Biller got that in their head. And they were like, this is what I want to throw in there. Yeah. And they did it a few times.

Yeah. It reminds me of that whole, you remember that one time where Chkote is talking to Janeway and he goes, you did it again. She's like, what are you talking about? It's like, your tell. You always touch your whatever. And it's like, no, she doesn't. She never touches that thing. She just did it for this episode because the writers thought that she had that little quirk.

So, yeah, that's the same thing with Fly Boy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Next, we're in the Borgueen's chamber, and she realizes that Voyager has altered course. She hears the admiral's voice. I don't know how you do it. All these voices talking at once.

You must get terrible headaches if you're calling drones to assimilate me. Don't bother. And the queen says she doesn't need drones to assimilator. Yeah. She shoots tubules at Janeway's neck, Admiral Janeway's neck. But guess what? She's not there. This is not the real.

Admiral Janeway, Janeway is only in the mind of the queen. And I love how she says, I'm not actually here, your majesty. I'm in your mind. So she's kind of doing a queen game. Yes, she is normally what the queen is in the power position. Yes. And it's the synaptic interface is what Admiral Janeway is using. And then she said, don't waste your time trying to trace this signal. And I do love that the synaptic interface is kind of the same thing as Alice. So it's technology that Janeway used from her experience and those things. In the future, she took that and developed the synaptic interface. So I love that.

I like it too. I do like this whole scene where the admiral clearly has the upper hand. The queen is sort of running away from the admiral. Like we're in the, you know, we're in the Borg queen's lair, but she's on the defensive. she's kind of she's nervous she's you know running around but the admiral's telling her you know the captain janeway is determined to bring down your hub and destroy your trans warp network so she's basically spilling the beans it appears here yeah and she's pretending like i don't want her to do that but you know janeway she's really stubborn and you know if she wants to destroy your thing

and she's got transphasic torpedoes she tells us her and the queens again very defensive well we'll adapt we'll figure this out then the admiral says the way you can help me get janeway to do what i want to go back to to the alpha quadrant is just tractor voyager right and then drag them back to the alpha quadrant yeah and and basically she says that if you do that i'm going to tell you how to adapt to those transphasic torpedoes now before they cause massive damage before you can adapt to them so yeah this is the deep Just tractor Voyager, drag them back to the Alpha Quadrant. Yeah, drag them back and I'll give you the technology.

And so it's a win-win. That's what she's saying right now. So basically the Admiral is saying, you know, I'm trying to help them, save them from themselves, you know, that the crew is all blinded by their loyalty. They want to, you know, follow their captain and try to fight you and destroy you. But tractor them back, get them back there. And then I'll give you this technology. But the Queen's not happy with that. She says, I need more than that.

So Admiral Jamie says, well, what do you want? Queen says, other than the knowledge of the technology to, you know, battle the transphacic torpedoes, I want your vessel and its entire database. That's so she wants the, she wants the shuttle, basically, right? And she wants the database in the shuttle, which comes from basically 36 years in the future. So there's a lot of information that that shuttle has. Yeah. And the Admiral says,

I'll give it to you just after Voyager goes back. And the queen says, well, how do I know you're not lying? Admiral says, well, you're just going to have to trust me. And that's when the queen says, oh, you underestimate me. I don't need to trust you. While we've been talking, we've triangulated your signal. And so they know where she is. And Admiral Janeway back on the shuttle says, computer, deactivate the interface, deploy armor.

And she starts to deploy the armor. But not fast enough. and busted exactly they realized that the ship was literally cloaked right outside of her unicomplex yeah and the janeway has beamed over onto the the queen's cube and so now she really is here it's not the the neural interface and that's when the queen starts to inject her to assimilate her inject her with uh you know borg nanoprobes yeah this looks bad and the queen even says we don't even need words to understand each other now so she's being assimilated by the queen this does not look good it looks like her admiral janeway's plan is falling apart at

this point right back on the voyager the voyager yeah hear me say i heard it i heard it i heard voyage uh janeway says on voyager take us inside the trans war pub and paris as i captain so they're heading inside this trans warb hub back on the queen's ship. The collective voice says Voyager has entered Aperture 8, 2, 3. By the way, who does this voice of the collective? I was thinking that in this episode. Is it loop group that does it? That's a really good question. Because it's the same voice we always hear. Yeah. Well, you know who would know that. Steve Welke. Yeah. We should talk to Steve, okay, maybe we will talk to him next week. Yeah, maybe we'll talk to him next week.

We'll see. But yeah, I mean, but any of Braga would know that. So would. Yeah, I wonder who it was because it feels like it's the same voice in the movies and our show. Yeah, like when you watch First Contact, it's the same voice as the one they use here. And every time we hear the Borg because it's the same guy or loop group. It's that collective voice. The collective voice, which has multiple voice together.

Cord or nine, Voyager, you like all that stuff. Yeah. I just thought about that in this scene. But this is the beginnings of the queen sort of kind of, you know, feeling it. She gets like an electric shock at first. Yes. And then she's just, she's kind of debilitated it for a second, it seems like. And then she has to hold on to something because she's about to fall over.

Like now we know something weird is happening. Yeah. And I love Admiral James. Ambril Jamie's comment, instead of saying, must be something you ate, she goes, must be something you assimilated. Yes, it's very funny. It's like, the queen's like, what? What did you do? And the Abram, I was like, I thought we didn't need words to understand each other.

So everything that the queen said to Janeway, Aber Janeway, Admiral Janeway just kind of dishes up and serves right back at her, right? Yeah. But the queen realizes that they have been infected by a neurologic pathogen. Yes. And this is the Trojan Horse effect when Apple Janeway played this chess game. So Janeway knew. Admiral Dianway knew that she would eventually be triangulated her position that she would be beamed over. She wanted to be beamed over to be assimilated by the board.

So she could spread this pathogen. Yes. Smart cookie. Very smart. Back on Voyager, back on the Voyager. Seven says it looks like the Admiral's plan succeeded. The conduit shielding is destabilizing. Janeway orders three torpedoes to be shot into the hub.

Yeah. And back in the Borg Queen's chamber, the Queen says Voyager will be destroyed. But the Admiral says, no, they're ahead of the shockwave. They're going to survive. Captain Janeway and I made sure of that. It's you who underestimate us. So I love that Admiral and Captain have this plan that's so well thought out. The Borg Queen's arm starts coming, like she's coming apart.

It's, yeah. And then she pulls it off. Yes, because sort of like someone being. bitten by a snake the venom like they're trying to cut pull cut off that one appendage that has the poison in it that's what she i felt that she was doing she's pulling off the one infected arm pulled off her arm and tossed it over and it kept it kept moving around it was still moving on the ground yeah it was gross uh it was i thought it was cool i didn't think it was gross i thought that was cool but i just want to say i'm going to interrupt you right down i want to say

that this whole infection this whole plan of admiral janeway yeah it's the same plan that that won the day Independence Day in Independence Day. Oh, is it really? Yeah, Jeff Goldblum comes up with let's go ahead

and introduce a virus into the computer system of the aliens and then all their ships will be brought all their mother ships will crash and be brought down. So it's the message

to every human being on this planet is if we are attacked by aliens, the only true way to repel them is to infect them with a virus or a pathogen. That's it.

End of story. Got it. Got it. So if anyone forget, that remember this this is the key so that's all well it seems to work because she's she's fallen her arms falling off her leg falls off all this stuff and then she dies basically and we see the whole central complex explode okay my memories of her dying was that she was following us in a cube or the sphere and that that that exploded and she died in that one i did not remember that she

died from the virus inside her chamber. She died in the chamber from the virus. And we do see the whole complex sort of explode. And my feelings at that moment were so sad because Harry's love is dead. Sorry, Harry. She died in the big explosion. We didn't even go on our first date. I know.

It was only emails. It was so close. We only knew each other from telepathy and emails. I know. It's very sad for Harry. That's all I could think of. That could have been my true love. That could have been my soulmate.

But yeah, gone. She's gone. But she did. Thanks, Janeway. Thanks for killing my love. Before she dies, she does send that message to the sphere, though, right? So the sphere is now following Voyager. That's the only board vessel that could hear her thoughts when she started malfunctioning.

All right. We go to Starfleet Command and Admiral Paris is there. your daddy with Richard Starset and Barclay and they're reading a trans warp aperture yep less unlike your so your your dad is like very nervous he's like I want every ship and range to converge on those coordinates now they think the Borg they're coming right through yeah yeah they think a giant army of Borg is coming out so they've got their sights set on that conduit yeah that trans warp aperture yeah and he's got everybody there I did love that Richard Starrstett was in the scene and he had lines.

Oh, God. I was so happy. I was so happy to see him. Do you remember that he did these lines? You don't remember that, do you? I didn't remember before, but once I saw him, I was like, oh, I remember when he talked about it, that he got some lines. Oh, okay.

It was a big deal, mental that time. Yeah, for sure. We go to the bridge and we see that the sphere is firing at Voyager. There's so many sparks on the bridge at this point. I feel like this was the biggest battle spark sequence. ever had on the bridge it was huge super sparky yep they're trying to run from the sphere but it starts to tractor them and paris says you can't stay ahead of them two bucks says the arm is failing chikote's looking for this nearest the nearest aperture to come out seven says 30 seconds ahead and it leads back to

the delta quadrant and i was like oh no we're going to just loop back around we all know this is the the last episode. They knew it at the time. So we're not going to get stuck in the Alpha Quadron again, are we? But Janeway says, adjust your heading. Yeah. And back at Starfleet Command, it says now they've got 18

ships in position, nine more on the way. They open a channel. The Admiral tells all the ships, use all necessary force. Whatever, you know, comes through there. Yeah. Fire at it. Blow that thing up. Yeah.

The sphere comes out first, right? I think. Yes. Yeah. Well, it comes out. The sphere comes out. Now, we did see the sphere starting to tractor Voyager, so we know it had a tractor beam on Voyager. Right.

And, but all the Starfleet vessels, yeah, all the Starfleet vessels have old technology. They cannot destroy this sphere, even with 18 of them. Correct. They can't do it. So the only thing that can destroy it is the. technology that that admiral janeway gave to us so we got tractored in the sphere came through into the alpha quadrant okay as we go back on the bridge and janeway says mr paris what's our position he says right where we expect to be so he doesn't really say where we are but we've gotten

we've gotten tractored into the sphere the sphere the sphere comes out starfleet can't blow him up so tuvok fires the torpedo from inside the sphere and we blow up the sphere because we cut to Starfleet Command. Admiral Paris says, you mean he fired? Sorry, Tuvok fires not from inside the sphere, but from inside the corridor is what you're saying, correct? I think we were tractored inside the sphere. We blew it up from the inside of it. Oh, we were inside the sphere is what you're saying. Yes. Yes. That is so bizarre. That's how I saw it. Okay. Maybe you're right. Right. So when she made commands, when she goes, the sphere is still listening to me, I thought the sphere was chasing us going through.

It was chasing us, but it did tractor us into them, is what you're saying, right? It chased us, tractored us into the sphere, and it popped out on the other side. I mean, it wasn't clear that we got tractored in. I think it happened off camera. But once we blew it up from the inside and seemed to fly out of it, that's how I read it. Okay. Cool. Yeah, Voyager flies out of this debris. out of the exploding sphere. So I think we did it.

We're back in the alpha quadrant. Janeway brings up a hail. Harry says we're being hailed. Yeah. On screen, view screen. We see Apple Paris. We see Richard Sarset. We see Barclay.

And, you know, welcome back from your dad. And Janeway is good to be here. It's so interesting because, again, I didn't remember this interaction going the way it did. I was like, oh, okay. Thanks for your help, Admiral Janeway. and then sick beta bridge there is a baby crying in the background and kim chuckles is what it says in this little reading thing so um did you notice the the teary eyed was after your baby i thought it was tears of joy it was all the things is what i got from you know your reaction in that it was

a couple of shots of harry and it was happiness about the baby happiness to be home but it was supposed to only be at the happiness to be home not at the baby that's my point so that's why read about all those things really okay yeah but it was great i thought this last i mean i didn't remember the sequence of events like i said i thought we got back and then there was like a tag at the end where we're all in a party in the future and we're older and i remembered this totally wrong this finale right and also when the doctor says doctor to lieutenant paris there's someone here who'd like to say hello And so I thought he said, congratulations on being the father of a bouncing baby girl. But that line is not in here at all.

So that was in my head for the last 30-something years. And it's wrong. I feel like, I'm like, huh? I mean, maybe it was in the script. I don't have the script. And then it got cut out then? Maybe it got cut out. Maybe.

That sounds familiar to me too. And then he. Bouncing baby girl. Yeah. So then it was looped by by Bopacardo later. doctor to lieutenant paris there's someone here who'd like to say hello which is a new line different from bouncing baby girl thing i guess right um because janeway says you better get down here tom and you're like yes ma'am uh so you leave right so chote i had dad to the baby we never see the baby we never

see balana in any of this we never see the doctor no i think we see the doctor in a close-up where he says uh doctor to lieutenant yeah but but but But, yeah, Paris leaves, and then Janeway's last line. Set a course for home. I remember that, but I thought it was you driving us home. It's actually Chocote driving us home. Yeah. Yeah, that's-Igoy's driving.

And then we go out to space and we see the flotilla, all the Starfleet ships. All those ships fall in your time. And it pans across and we see we're right near Earth. Yeah. And it's, it's a, I actually, this episode was better than I ever remembered. Honestly, it was, I enjoyed watching. it. I thought the choice of the very last moment having that shot in space of us heading towards Earth and that's the end of it. I actually think it was really good writing. It was very smart.

I liked it a lot. Yeah. I liked it. Two thumbs up. All right. Theme. What's the theme? Jeez. for me the theme of this finale episode is it's never too late to change the past to fix the mistakes of the past or it's never too late like we can all there's always something we can do to make amends to make things a little bit better just because there's mistakes in the past or a rough past you don't have to live with the consequences of that forever you can do something to make it a little better so it's never too late to do something about the past that's my theme if i have one to be honest i'm still thinking about that conversation i have with the editor is

like why did you move my reaction that's funny why did you remember it wrong then maybe maybe yeah maybe that was wrong as well i don't know yeah because i remember i remember this structure totally different yeah i literally didn't think we went to the future until after we got home yeah and clearly we went to the future last episode in the part one we went to the we went to the future first and then came back to our current timeline so it was all different than I remembered right ratings ratings yeah I'm gonna go I'm gonna go higher than what I was going to go I mean if I didn't watch the second part I would have rated this I would have rated this like a six, like pretty low.

Wow. Now that I've actually, yeah, but now that I've, because that's what it was in my mind, it was actually lower than that. I thought part two was like a two. And no more than a two. But now that I've seen it, Robbie, now that I've watched it again, I'm going to, I'll give it a good solid 8.8.5 is what I'm say. Yeah. So I'm going to go kind of high on that. All right. Yeah. But not as high as my other one. My other one was 9.5.

So part 1, 9.5. This one for me gets a 9. You're higher. I give this in 9. Yeah. yeah okay i i think this was really better than i remembered yeah i think it was really well done so yeah great great job by the writers great concept alan craker great job there great directing great performance by kate and kate nailed it kregan all of us yeah every single person across the board there wasn't a weak um no link in this chain at all yeah yeah yeah very well done yeah okay

well there you go there's our for part two for the finale of the finale yeah wow we're done well we're not really done we're not done we're done with the Voyager

don't go anywhere everybody because we're going to talk about Voyager for a couple more a couple more episodes we've got some some thoughts and ideas that we'll discuss the next couple episodes and then we're yeah we've got some ideas for

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