The Delta Flyers - Endgame Part I

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everybody, it's Robbie and Garrett, and we just got done with our Delta Flyers Voyager edition rap party. We just finished. Look at the moon behind us. Look at the moon. It's full moon. It's beautiful. We had a blast. This community of Delta Flyers fans is incredible.

Starting point is 00:00:20 And we just made an announcement in there that we do have plans to continue the podcast. Yes, we do. But because of the SAG after strike that's going on right now, we're going to have to. delay some things so our next show that we're watching is DS9 we're going to be doing a DS9 rewatch with Armand Shimmerman and Miss Terry Farrell so we've got those two wonderful human beings joining us for chapter two of the Delta Flyers but until but until the I mean as long as the strikes going on we're not going to be we're not able to start anything yes but we will still upload a

Starting point is 00:00:56 podcast yeah every we're still going to do with every We can. We're going to talk about stuff, okay? That's not content. Not content, but other stuff. But we're going to have a lot of fun anyway. So please stay with us. Stay tuned. And we're going to bring you more awesome, awesome, awesome content, entertaining, informative, and at times, uplifting. Greetings, everyone. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry. We just want everyone to know that we are recording this a little bit early in case of a sag after strike. And we plan to record this episode in Vegas at our finale rap party of the podcast, but we're

Starting point is 00:01:50 so close to finishing all the episodes, we wanted to make sure that we have everything done just in case there is a sag after strike. fingers crossed that they make a good deal but we wanted to get all the content out so welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager your two hosts along this journey are my fellow actor my fellow Voyager actor Garrett Wong

Starting point is 00:02:16 who in 2009 played Vic Voo in Why Am I Doing This and of course your favorite helmsman Robert Duncan McNeil, a.k.a. Robbie McDunk, R.D.M. Robbie D. Whatever you want to call me. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast and lots more bonus material

Starting point is 00:02:36 by signing up to become a patron at patreon. com forward slash the Delta Flyers. So... That's a mouthful. Voo. Vic Voo in Why Am I Doing This? What is that? Yeah, that was a independent film. Asian American writer,

Starting point is 00:02:55 director and the character that i was playing was actually a caricature of a actual person that is alive today so it was you doing it like an impersonation kind of but i mean it's not the same it's based on somebody in real life and this person is a is an individual recognizable person in the asian american film world like whenever they had the asian american film festival this individual would would be he would be the moderator for all Q&A's afterwards and he always wore a bray and he was an Asian guy and it was just I would so I did an impersonation you were kind of doing a version of this inspired by inspired by this person yes and so why am I doing this what was it a comedy was yeah it's it's yeah it's sort of like it's it's sort of like it follows one character trying to make

Starting point is 00:03:48 it in Hollywood in terms of being Asian trying to make it in Hollywood but I'm not that person it's the guy that wrote it and directed about his own, you know, career. Oh, I see. So I'm just, I'm just, you know, I'm sort of an Ethan Phyllis Bob Picardo character character actor in this movie. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Mr. Indy film. You are Mr. Indy film. You know, I agree to a lot of stuff when I was on Voyager. I'm like, sure, yeah, I'll do that. No problem. I mean, I rarely said no. The only thing I turned down or I didn't turn it down, I just never returned the call was the, you know, 15-part miniseries about space that I turned down for science. I don't know why I did that.

Starting point is 00:04:27 I was so just not in my right head. And Gillian Anderson from X-Files got the job. So it was an offer. They didn't even ask me to come to audition. They were like, we're giving you this. Would you call us back, please? And I remember getting that message on my, I was checking my voicemail on the phone in my trailer.

Starting point is 00:04:44 And I was like, yeah, I'll call these guys back. I never did. I was just so like, yeah. I was so stupid. It was just like, really? Like the host. dude i was oh and robbie you know how rare it is to give get an offer where you don't even have to like audition at all that's rare it's not common and and these guys didn't know me from adam they

Starting point is 00:05:02 just knew my work on voyager they thought they thought this would be a great guy so we're going to go ahead and offer this to him and i i definitely um was not in my sound mind and jillian anderson got to do it so i'm like uh dang it yeah but other than that i accepted every independent film from every single person that had, you know, whether they had film school experience or not, I was like, yeah, I'll do it. So, that was me. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:05:27 Cool. All right. Well, here we are trying to get this finale done in case we don't get to do it live. Yeah. So crazy. I really hope we can. But let's go watch Endgame Part 1. And we'll be back with our review and discussion.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Yes. For our Patreon. patron, stick around for your bonus material. All righty. We are back. Oh my goodness. Yes, we are. I, okay, let's just get it. This is not at all how I remembered. This is not at all how I remembered. It's so not how I remembered.

Starting point is 00:06:09 Well, I mean, even from the first shot, I was confused. I was like, wait a minute. I was so confused. Why are we getting home right now in the very big, so then it was like, okay, all right, this is like a flat. I was like, are we a flash forward, flash backwards. It's so crazy. So let's just start with our poetry synopsis right now. Let's do. Let's start with a little poetry to calm down for this. This is poetry synopsis for part one.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Yes, just part one. Just part one alone. Okay, here we go. This is my haiku for endgame part one. 10-year reunion, Janeway plans solo mission, secret time travel. That's good. Thank you. That's good.

Starting point is 00:06:50 It's really good. You covered a lot. You really synopsized very well. My limerick, we'll see. We'll see. Let's see. Here we go. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:58 My limerick for Endgame, part one. Captain Janeway needs a chrono deflector to jump to a new timeline and sector. A C-7 love is new. And it makes me go, ew. And the Borg queens, an ominous specter. I like that one. There's a lot of comedy in that one, actually. Yes, I try it.

Starting point is 00:07:18 It made me, and you know, and you always try to find the funny as a director. And the ooh thing really made me chuckle. I l-wled on that silently. I didn't want to ruin your reading. So good job, man. Thank you. Thank you. Teleplay by Ken Biller and Robert Doherty.

Starting point is 00:07:32 We didn't have Robert Doherty in this at all. No, we didn't have Bob Doherty on that one at all. No. But we did say Biller and we did say Berman. So we got those two. And we did say Braga. We said the threesome. Yeah, so we got the story by, but just the teleplay we got wrong, correct?

Starting point is 00:07:48 Yes. And he did direct both. So now- He did direct both. See, I'm so, oh, I feel like I feel stupid now. Because if you think about it, let's flash back to Caretaker, a two-part pilot. A pilot was directed by Colby the entire time. So why wouldn't we end with one guy directing the entire two-part ending? So I didn't even think about that. Did we film it together? We must have filmed part one and two together. Together, yeah, of course. I mean, I didn't remember that at all. Yeah. But I don't think we took the 31 days that we took to shoot Caretaker. I think it was a more compacted, you know, proper 14-day. 14-day two-parter, yeah. Yeah. Maybe 15 at most, right?

Starting point is 00:08:34 Sometimes they would add, sometimes we would have an eight-day shoot. Sometimes, rarely. Like once a year. Right. Once a year we'd get that. Yeah. Yes. So maybe we had it here.

Starting point is 00:08:44 Okay. Okay. So there you go. The guest stars. Dwight Schultz, we've already talked about him. Richard Hurd, we've talked about Richard Hurd. Vaughan Armstrong, we've talked about Vaugh many times, Manu and Tarameau. We've talked about Manu.

Starting point is 00:08:56 We have not talked about, let's see, Lisa, Los Cicero. I think it's going to say her name. Your daughter, Ensign Moral, Paris. Yes, of course. I actually didn't know the actress's real name. I can't believe I didn't know my daughter's real name. Yeah, that's okay. I didn't recognize.

Starting point is 00:09:15 I was like, yeah, Lisa, sure. Oh, my daughter. Okay. Yeah, your kid. So, you know, what's interesting on her resume, she has done two Star Trek video games. Star Trek Armada 2, excuse me, three. Star Trek Amata 2, Star Trek Bridge Commander, and Star Trek Elite Force Part 2. So she was like a, you know, a go-to person for video games, big time. But her very first credited project would have been a 1993 short by the name of The Perfect Woman.

Starting point is 00:09:44 And we have Miguel Perez. remember, Miguel played the, I guess, the one doctor that was kind of in the room when Tuvok was freaking out in the medical facility, right? And then our doctor comes and talk to that doctor. So Miguel Perez, who played the physician, that's his actual title on this, on our show. His very first project, a 1990 TV movie, Murder in Black and White. Murder in Black and White. There is one credit that precedes that, but that credit is General Hospital. And they put down 1963, which is the starting date of general hospitals. So we don't know the exact, you know, when he appeared. Exactly. So clearly it was before 1990 and much later than 63. I'm going to say

Starting point is 00:10:26 that much, which, yeah. Next we have Grant Garrison. That was the cadet. If you remember, the cadet. Yeah, there were a couple of cadets, a male cadet and a female cadet. I call him the class clown cadet. He was the one trying to be funny. Yes, trying to be charming. Yes. Grant Garrison's very first credit is a 1997 episode of Walker, Texas Ranger. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Alice Krieg, another guest star. We know about Alice.

Starting point is 00:10:51 We've talked about Alice. And we jump over to the co-stars. Amy Lindsay, Amy Lindsay played Lana, the doctor's wife, young bride. Oh, yes. Yes. So Lana's very first credit was a 1994 film called The House on Toddville Road, the house on Toddville Road. And evidently, I think Amy still does acting, but has crossed over into casting as well.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Oh, wow. Good for her. Yeah. We have Matthew James Williamson, who, you know, this is his third role on Voyager, but I'll just say he played the Klingon. He's the one that just kind of yelled at your daughter in the cave, right? He's like, he was great. He was really good, yeah. And I kept thinking, wow, for an under five guy, he's pretty good. Then when I looked it up, I go, oh, we've already used him. That's like he's been on our set three. This is his third time working for us. So he's a very comfortable. Yeah, he was good. Yeah. But his first project was a 1999 project called swap meat, swap meat. And we have Iris.

Starting point is 00:11:42 bath that's the female cadet who mistakenly asks admiral janeway about seven of nine and seven and she doesn't want to talk about seven of nine but her very first uh well i want to say this voyager was her third credit ever her first was start trek voyager elite force the game in 2000 and her second was start trek voyager away team the video game in 2001 and then she did our show so she did voices on games based on our show and then she did our show, which is kind of backwards, right? You'd think that you would do the show, then you would do the game. So good for her that she was able to do that. She played the cadet role quite well.

Starting point is 00:12:22 I thought she did a good job, being a little embarrassed by that too. Next we have Ashley Sierra Hughes, who played Sabrina Wildman, the daughter of Naomi Wildman, and the granddaughter of Samantha Wildman. Wow. So, yes, isn't that? Oh, my goodness. So 1998, first credit, an episode of Mr. Show, with Bob and David, where she played the role of Alien Child.

Starting point is 00:12:48 Now, if that isn't foreshadowing for our show, I don't know what is. That's incredible. That's crazy. Yeah. Mr. Show was a great show, by the way. It was. Such a funny show. It is.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Excuse me. Yes. The show has disappeared. No, it is a good show. Yeah. All right. Let's dive into part one. We see fireworks and the Golden Gate Bridge and Voyager swooping.

Starting point is 00:13:11 Very close to the bridge. I was like, Tom's probably piloting maybe, and he's coming in hot by the Golden Gate Bridge. Oh, yeah. Pump the brakes, dude. Get a little distance there. Oh, yeah. He's very close, and there's fireworks, and there's a large crowd. And we hear a newscaster talking about, well, this should look familiar to all of you.

Starting point is 00:13:36 Right. This is Voyager's triumphant return home to Earth. after 23 years in the Delta Quadrant. I was like, wait, what? Yes. We've just jumped forward 23 years. Yes. Not only they're saying it's familiar.

Starting point is 00:13:49 And that was archived footage, though. That's archive footage for them because it's 10 years ago that we came back. Yes. The tissory, he says, of the return, the newscaster. So it's 33 years after Voyager left. That's the timeline we're in, we realize. So they set up that timeline. And then it sort of pans across a mug, and it's like a bent,

Starting point is 00:14:10 mug, Janeway's mug, she picks it up. And is that the mug from year of hell, the damaged mug? Do you remember? I don't remember, maybe. Because I feel like it's, there's some significance there. Yeah, she picks up the mug, she walks away, we see her from behind, she's gazing out a window, and then she turns, and we realize it's Janeway with gray hair, 33 years after the pilot, that they spent 23 years in the Delta Quadrant, and they've been home for 10. And so this is far in the future, and she's still got that damaged mug from year of hell, which I thought was very cool. Okay.

Starting point is 00:14:47 And by the way, I did notice right away, you had mentioned before we watched this, that Kate and Roxanne did not do any real, you know, age makeup on the face. That's what I remember, but they do have some on there. It's like, I do see something going on on Bologna's a little bit, but it's very little. It's slight, though, right? But the truth is, like, they look more. You know, 33 years after the pilot, that's a, you know, we're close to that now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:14 And, you know, that looks more normal than I feel like, and we'll get to this. But with you and I, yeah, we both looked like 80 years old, a hundred years old. Like, it was way too old. It was inconsistent because we did the calculations. We talked about this before recording this. We said that I told you that if you calculate the 33, Harry should be exactly my age now, 54, 54, 55, right now. in the beginning of this. And you looked 75 or 80 years old.

Starting point is 00:15:44 It's horrible. But then later you look at Dwight, Schultz, and he should be looking like Patrick Stewart in 33 years later. Because let's face it, he should be older than Janeway, right? Yeah, so there's no. The age makeup was definitely all over the place.

Starting point is 00:16:00 Yes, I didn't understand. I get why they wanted to do like extreme makeup to show that this is, you know, far in the future. I get like creative. the general idea. Yeah. But it was a bit all over. But anyway, Kate's got a gray wig in this first scene.

Starting point is 00:16:17 We, you know, we see her gray hair. Yeah. But her face looks great still. She looks great. Yep. So it's very, very confusing to me watching this first scene. There she is. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:28 33 years in the future. Yeah. She's got her damaged mug. What is going on? Where's everybody else? Yeah. We go into party next. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:37 This is, I guess, in her apartment. right so this is the this is the reunion party is what i'm guessing yeah this is the 10 year reunion this is the big deal yep we see the backside of harry uh an older harry basically a promoted harry thank god in this timeline and a small little lost girl comes up to harry and just you know tugs him on his uh on his sleeve and he kneels down and says oh who are you and we find out this is little Sabrina wildman naomi's daughter very exciting uh to see that And the minute I saw my makeup, I was like, oh, too much. You had the old, old makeup.

Starting point is 00:17:16 The jowls, they attached all these prosthetics on my cheeks and my, just to make me look, you know, like, I'm decrepit and old, you know. Yeah, it was a lot of makeup. Way too much. Way too much. I love the little girl. She had one line reading that sounded like one of the kids from Annie to me. Harry says to her, I've been in a deep space assignment. Right.

Starting point is 00:17:38 goes, for four years. Yeah, yeah. For four years. For four years? It was like, I don't know, her line reading on that. I was like, I went back and replayed. I'm like, that is adorable. So to you, you were sitting in, you're watching Annie on, you know, on the stage.

Starting point is 00:17:57 I felt like I was watching. Yeah. And this kid actress comes out and does a line. For four years. For four years. The son will come out to my. Mara. Yes, I felt like it was going to go into Anne here.

Starting point is 00:18:11 She was adorable. I love little Sabrina. She was. So Harry asked Sabrina to find her mom because Harry wants to talk to her when she walks away. Now Janeway comes over to Harry and they talk about Tuvok and, you know, he's not doing well. So now we know there's some issues with Tobok, you know. And I had forgotten that there was some kind of like Alzheimer's dementia storyline.

Starting point is 00:18:36 You forgot that entirely? I forgot it entirely. And as soon as Janeway, as soon as you ask, Harry says, how's Tuvok? And she says, not well. I was like, oh, no. Yeah, something happened. That's sad story.

Starting point is 00:18:49 Yeah, it's very, very sad. They walk over to the window and Harry actually apologizes for missing the funeral. So now as an audience member, you're thinking, yeah, you're thinking, who? Not Tuvok or is it Tuvok? You don't know. Well, you're going to say it's probably not Tuvok because they say he's not doing well. That's what I thought is. Like, first of all, Tuvok's got bad news and then somebody's dead.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Somebody's dead. It was a funeral. We had no clue died. But we're 33 years in the future. We're 23 years. Yes. You know, or whatever the math is, I'm bad at math. But you get it.

Starting point is 00:19:20 It's way in the future. So this is still had me confused because I was like, I don't remember this. I thought we just skipped to the future at the very end. I thought it was like, I thought we got home. And then we jumped to the future. I didn't remember this whole Janeway coming. This way, yeah. It's very masterfully crafted, I will say that much, okay?

Starting point is 00:19:41 In terms of writing and in story structure. After this, apology for not being in that funeral, we're confused, and that is when we cut to a shot of Tom and the doctor. The doctor comes in with a woman. We don't know who it is, and we do find out that this is the doctor's new bride. But when we see Tom Paris, let me just, all right, can I just ask you, What did you think? Did this remind you of any character in film and television in the history of film and TV?

Starting point is 00:20:12 What character does this remind you of? Because it was instantaneous. The second you showed you, oh my gosh. Okay. If you recall in Back to the Future at the very end when the roles are reversed and Crispin Glover is now successful writer and it's Biff who's now had the misfortune. Yes. You looked exactly like Biff when he comes into the house.

Starting point is 00:20:38 He goes, uh, uh, yeah. So can I, can I, can I give you another coat of wax, sir? Or like at the end, remember when he's, and he's very subservient, but he's got the balding hair and he's older. That's what they made you look like. Like Biff. From back to the future. Do you see that? I do.

Starting point is 00:20:54 No. I didn't think of it then, but yeah. Why would Tom Paris look older than everybody else in this scene? Excuse me? You look like 80 something years old. What's happening? I don't know. Do I look that way now?

Starting point is 00:21:09 I mean, like you said, no, no. We, in that episode, if you do the math, Paris would have been about the age I am right now. No, exactly. I didn't. I do. No. No.

Starting point is 00:21:24 You have more hair. You have more hair, definitely. And you also have smoother skin. Honestly, your wardrobe looked like what Biff was wearing in that final scene. That tank top, black tank top, whatever you had on, dark green tag top it just oh man i mean i'm all for doing cool makeup on its own it was a cool makeup i was happy to wear it but it just doesn't the math doesn't add up it doesn't fit with everybody else no you know it's too much one thing i did notice in the scene so the doctor comes in

Starting point is 00:21:51 he looks exactly the same because he's yeah of course he's a hologram he's not gonna age nope his wife was very young yep but i love the way that bob changed his performance just a little bit that he was relaxed it was like the kind the doctor the version of the doctor that was always like amped up and edgy and very triggered and reactive and and arrogant and all that he was just i thought bob did a really great job it just he was very mellow it was like he was much more human and yeah he seemed smoother than normal like his normal self right so you're right so there's some type of maturity that has happened in the last, you know, 10 years or, even though they didn't change his look like they did ours, his performance and personality changed. And I thought that

Starting point is 00:22:44 was great. Yeah, good choice for him as an actor, for sure. I applaud him. So we find out that they've been married for exactly 13 days. One day, time, two weeks. Yeah. And then I love Paris's line, which says, my invitation must have gotten lost in subspace. Which was, to me, very funny. Well, we learned they eloped. That's why there was no, they eloped. And she says, well, Joe has a real flair for romantic gestures. And I loved when Paris says, Joe.

Starting point is 00:23:16 That's the best you can come up with in 33 years. Joe is what you said. Yeah, it made me laugh. It was funny. But we find out that's Lana's grandfather's name. So now Torres and Janeway have a talk. We see them talking. And now there's some serious talk going on.

Starting point is 00:23:30 They're talking about some type of mission that Moral, your daughter was sent on, that Torres is asking Janeway to give her more details. Janeway doesn't want to reveal any more details. It's basically a secret mission is what it is. Yeah, and Janeway won't tell Bolana, really what's going on. And even when Belana says, would an old friend have anything to do with this mission that you just sent my daughter on? Yeah. And, you know, Bala is protective. But she trusts Janeway, and Janeway says, I can't talk about it.

Starting point is 00:24:05 Yes. And Danway says your daughter will be home soon. Correct. But before that, and the reason why I didn't go into that is because in my notes, the name auto-corrected to Kirsti, and it says, Torres and Janeway talk of Kirsti. And I'm like, what it? Korath, that's who they were talking about. Okay, so not Kirsti.

Starting point is 00:24:23 So the talk began, you hear some talk about Khorath, some Klingon guy, some high council business, this and that. Is it going to happen? Then the talk about the mission that Moral was on happens. And Janeway says, yeah, she'll be back. This is starting to lay in that Janeway's got something going on that she's not telling anybody about. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:24:44 And it's, you know, I mean, now that we know, it's more of a temporal prime directive issue. But at the time, as you're watching, you have no clue what's happening. You have no clue what's going on. And Barclay makes a toast at the end of this scene. Barkley toast to 23 years. Right. he says to the journey he uses that in the toast as well which is from masters of the universe that was our catchphrase in masters of the universe seriously well it was good journey good journey oh oh oh

Starting point is 00:25:10 i didn't know close oh it is close good journey that yeah that's what all the masters of the universe characters would say good journey to each other good journey okay i like that but i will say that as i said earlier seeing barclay for the first time i i thought no he his hair is not there's no there's very light gray there. He should be similar. The thing that did with Barclay is they put this like underneath like his neck. Oh, so he had a little bit of extra stuff like a prosthetic neck thing. But don't you agree? He should have gone pretty silver. I mean, more than Janeway at least or matching her. So that, yeah, I just felt like he wasn't aged as much. But it was nice to see him regardless. He makes a nice toast. And at the end, Janeway does add. And to those of us who aren't here to celebrate this with us.

Starting point is 00:25:55 So now you have another reference to like, hey, the dead. Who dies? Right, yeah, the missing one. The dead true member. We don't know who it is. Yes, exactly. Next we go into Starfleet classroom, and Barclay is introducing teaching about the Borg and the collective and assimilation and the hierarchy and all of that, the hive mind. Yeah. And he says we've got a guest lecturer.

Starting point is 00:26:20 She literally wrote the book, Admiral Catherine Janeway. Yes. And here's Janeway teaching. She's going to be teaching this class. And that's when the questions arise. When you inform the queen that you were going to liberate thousands of her drones, could you describe the look on her face? And she doesn't answer that.

Starting point is 00:26:38 She just kind of looks over at Barkley, like, whatever. But I wanted her to answer that, actually. And then the next question was how extensive was Seven of Nine's involvement in Unimatrix Zero? And then Janeway just has a pause. A dramatic pause. Very dramatic. I would prefer not to discuss Seven of Nine. This is a moment where I was like, is Seven of Nine?

Starting point is 00:26:58 one of the dead ones is that why it's just too hard to talk about it that's what it seemed like didn't it seven of nine turn and you know betray them in some right so i was did she betray us or is she dead so you have more questions right we don't know they have no clue and then an aid comes in and whispers in janeway's ear so it was an extra who was assigned to come in and whisper but he was an as well by the way they yes he was in ensign they had loop group or somebody yeah loop in whisper words because he wasn't, his mouth was clearly talking. Yeah. I just thought, why didn't they let the kid just say some words?

Starting point is 00:27:35 Like, just let him have a line. And you couldn't tell what he was whispering, but you can. If you turn the volume up, you can. You could hear the loop and it was. You can hear the loop. Did you hear it? It said, there's a call from Ensign Paris or something like that. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:27:49 Yeah, that's what the loop. No, I couldn't hear it. Yeah. That's funny. So now we're in Janeway's office or somebody's office, right? So maybe, I'm guessing it's, I'm guessing it's. office. And, you know, there's, there's this conversation with Ensign Moral, Paris, your daughter. Ensign Moral, which at first you don't know who this Ensign is. I didn't remember. So I was like,

Starting point is 00:28:12 who's this ensign? Until, you know, good work, Ensign Paris. At the very end of the scene, I was like, what? The mystery technician is Enson Paris? So what do you think of your beloved daughter now that she's an adult? What do you think? Yeah. You know, she's involved with the right captain, that's for sure. And I do think the casting was good. I think she looks like she could be your kid, you and Roxanne's kid. If you two physically had a kid, you know, outside of just had one. It was a good combination.

Starting point is 00:28:40 I think so. I really, really do. So this dialogue between Janeway and your daughter is basically Janeway saying, did you see it? And your daughter's saying it works. And then your daughter informs Janeway that Korath wants to hand it over in person to you. So now Janeway's like, fine. I'll be there as soon as I can. So now, again, more mystery.

Starting point is 00:29:00 What is it? What's happening? But it's Corat's name gets brought up again. And Balana mentioned that name. So this is what they were kind of referencing a little bit. Yes. But clearly, Belana doesn't know as much or Moral. You know, they're not working together.

Starting point is 00:29:18 No. Janeway's got them all doing different things to help her. Next, we go to Tuvok's room. We don't see anything except for close-up on a candle and a crumpled piece of paper. So Craker brings us on a close-up of that. Yes. And then it's slow. Then it pansed on the floor.

Starting point is 00:29:32 It pans over more paper, more crumbled stuff to a crouched over Tuvok, who's very busy going over these notes, adding new things to it, opening up crumpled notes and adding things. So clearly these notes aren't thrown away. They're just kind of crumpled and then revisited by him. Well, they're definitely revisited because I watched what he was writing on the paper. Did he was literally tracing over already written sentences? Oh, wow. Probably so that they didn't have to reset the props every take. But that actually works for his dementia too, though, right?

Starting point is 00:30:03 It does work. He's just tracing over the same things he's already written. I love it. It was kind of funny. That's very funny. Janeway does walk in at this point. And he immediately says that she's an imposter because Janeway visits on Sunday. Today is Thursday.

Starting point is 00:30:16 And he says that he's very close to completing his work. And Janeway gets emotional telling Tuvok that she's going to go away and that she may not see him again. And at this moment, by the way, when she said, I'm going away and I may not see you again. Yeah. And the look from him, I felt like they were both Kate and Tim Russ were playing this moment of this is our last time. This is our last episode.

Starting point is 00:30:43 Like, they both realized it. Yeah. Because it felt like such a real moment. It didn't feel like acting to me. It was really. It was. It's the first time she kisses him on the head when she says goodbye. You never see Janeway do that.

Starting point is 00:30:55 That was a very touching moment. She says goodbye. She leaves something on the dresser. We cut to it and we see that it's a crew photo of the Voyager crew back in their younger days. Right. And this was a publicity shot. Yeah. That made me laugh.

Starting point is 00:31:10 I was like, really? Janeway gives the gift of our season seven cast photo that we took for publicity. Yeah, it was a publicity shot. It's the photo that we sign at conventions all the time. And that's what she gave him in this scene. It was just like, it was like, you know, you gave. You give that to Tuvok, but you don't have it autographed? What are you doing?

Starting point is 00:31:28 You should have at least autographed it. Exactly. The other thing that made me laugh is when it cut to the high, wide shot at the very end of the scene. Yeah. The shape of his bed looks like a coffin. It was like not a rectangular bed. It kind of came like that. It did a thing where it was.

Starting point is 00:31:47 It like went wide by the shoulders and then tight again. I was like, oh, that was a pretty heavy-handed foreshadowing, foreshadowing the two vucks. on his way out or something. I don't know. Oh my gosh. I did not catch that. Coffin-shaped bed, yes. Yeah, I did not catch that.

Starting point is 00:32:02 Well, very, very good. Next scene. We're in Janeway's residence, and the doctor has come to make a house call. It comes, and the door, yes, the doorbell rings. And we kind of see some feet walk into the shot, and it comes up, tilts up to the door. Right. And I made a note, you know, the feet come into the shot. And I immediately knew it was Kate's feet, even though the work.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Get out. Because of the way that she walks. Kate Mulgrew has a very particular, very kind of intentional walk. And I was like, oh, that's Kate's feet. Okay. And the other thing, when it built it up, she's wearing this, like, light blue costume or pajamas or something. Right.

Starting point is 00:32:43 That is the best color on Kate Mulgrew I've ever seen. Honestly, I was like, oh, my God, that is a great color on her. Like, yeah, that should have been her uniform. Yeah. because it was very, it would look great. But yeah, she opens the door, the doctor's there, he's making a house call. The doctor says for 33 years, you fought me every time that you were due for a physical, and now you want me to give you a physical ahead of schedule and a house call.

Starting point is 00:33:12 Like, it's very suspicious. The doctor notices she wants to have a physical because she's taking a trip, she says. And then she asks the magic question, do you know anything about promoxaline? And he's like, yes, it's a very experimental drug right now. And she says, why need exactly 2,000 milligrams of that by tomorrow afternoon? And the doctor's like, may I ask why? She's, no, no, no, it's confidential. And he says, fine, 0,900.

Starting point is 00:33:38 I loved him this scene, by the way. Yeah, it's all very casual and very friendly. And then when he says, yeah, it's very promising that medicine, why do you ask? She pops up into this close-up. Like, it cuts from this casual sort of shots to a close-up that she just pops up into and she says, I need 2,000 milligrams of that by tomorrow afternoon. Yeah. It was very, it was a great intense close up that she.

Starting point is 00:34:02 It was. It was. It was. Yeah. Demand of the medicine. Most definitely. It was good. Now we jump over to an exterior shot of a Starfleet communications building.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Is what it said? Yes. Because it said Starfleet communications on the building. Literally. So there's no question where the communications building. It is a giant sign. Yeah. Yes.

Starting point is 00:34:23 Starfleet Communications Building So we're in an office It's early hours It's before office hours begin clearly And Barclay is handing Janeway A pad to da-da With everything that she needs And we find out that the shuttle

Starting point is 00:34:36 That she needs is also waiting for her At the Oakland Shipyard And he says, Barclay says that he wishes She would let him come with her And she says, no, I have to do this alone So we're getting closer to this mystery trip If you're on what this is Bit by bit

Starting point is 00:34:49 The little jigsaw puzzle is finally making some type of image that we can see what this is. He also hands her like a thermos. Yeah, fresh tea. He said, I made fresh tea for the trip, not the replicated stuff. And I thought, tea. When does she drink tea? Well, now she drinks tea, though.

Starting point is 00:35:07 Maybe that's what I thought she's changed now, where she's not drinking coffee. But she had the broken coffee cup in the first scene. You can drink tea out of a coffee cup too. So, yeah, I just, it would have seemed like more in character. if he had said, I made you some fresh coffee, not the replicated stuff. Agreed. Tea just felt like, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:35:28 Yeah, no, it's strange for old Janeway, but Admiral Janeway may have changed her taste. She may have changed a little. That's all I'm going to say. When I was a kid, I hated Brussels sprouts. I like them now. Right. That's the end of that scene.

Starting point is 00:35:38 And now we come to a shot of Janeway. I don't know. Is this dawn? By a tree. Is this the break of, yeah, by a tree on an evening or something. I don't know. Oh, I thought. I think they shot it on stage with a,

Starting point is 00:35:50 with a, like a backing, like a paint backing. Yeah, some mat backing and a tree. And it looks like she's on some type of promontory or a little bit of a hill. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, you don't know that in the beginning because all you see is her. You don't see any type of gravestones. And then you see you and it begins with her speaking and not knowing where she is yet.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Because she says, any final words of advice for your old captain? And then you're like, oh, what's happening? And then she squats down and then the camera brings us down. Yeah, brushes the leaves aside. see it is chikote's grave yes yeah yes and that was the funeral and by the way i did the math on his age he was only 65 years old the character when he died oh he was 65 because it said he was born in 23 29 oh you added the numbers good for you i did some math yeah that's kind of young in the future starfleet when people can live much longer so it's a bit young it seems agreed

Starting point is 00:36:46 something's gone on it's very suspicious all right so it's very sad now we know chikote is the one who's passed away and you know she's kind of getting advice from him about you know what i guess last second you know conversation whatever this mystery trip is she's just hoping that if there's anything she hasn't thought of

Starting point is 00:37:07 maybe she'll think of it if she's there and symbolically just to say you know yeah you know i miss you I guess goodbye, because she may not be coming back. That's right. That's right. Whatever she's doing, she, you know, she keeps saying she may not be back. Goodbye to everybody.

Starting point is 00:37:22 Yeah. All right. We cut to Tom and. Yes, we cut to Tom and Belon's quarters. Yes, we do. I love Sleepy Tom. Sleepy Tom's my favorite. This is one of my favorite scenes of the whole series for me.

Starting point is 00:37:37 Very good for you. Yeah. It starts in just a dark silhouette. We see a bed. we see balana sort of standing up in the in the light from the window and she's calling for tom tom and we hear tom say i'm sleeping and she says it's time for what i'll give you one guess and then tom pops up and he's half asleep and he realizes that it's time for you know having the baby so he reaches for his combat but it's not there and then he goes to the grabs it off the the ledge

Starting point is 00:38:13 and calls for the doctor and the doctor says, well, can she stand? And he looks over. The camera whips over to her. She's already putting on her jacket to get to lead. She's totally standing. Wips back to him. Paris very officially affirmative, still half asleep.

Starting point is 00:38:32 And Doc says, well, you've got to report to sickbay. And then it goes back to the wide shot. And Tom gets up and starts walking straight to the door in his boxer shorts and T-shirt. and my walk just made me laugh. It's like the sleepy sort of, you know, panic walk but still asleep. Yeah. And then he realizes he's going without Balani, turns around to go back and she's heading out the door. Yeah, it's just, the whole thing is very funny bit.

Starting point is 00:39:01 It's so funny because you're so manic and not there. Like, you're not, your brain's not, it's so foggy. And she's just moving very slowly, very deliberately. And she just calm is getting all get out. It was just funny. The whole scene was beautifully staged, beautifully shot for comedy. Alan Craker nailed it on the comedy with how he shot and saves the scene. I thought it was really one of my favorite scenes.

Starting point is 00:39:25 We go from that scene to Sick Bay, where now Tom's a little more awake with the doctor explaining that everything's fine, but they're not, she's not in labor yet. It's false labor. False labor. Ammon with Klingons. Yes. She's not happy about that. Her temper comes out on that one. She's a little pissy.

Starting point is 00:39:43 When she says, I want this thing out of me now! She yells, it was very funny. It was. But you even asked, Paris asked the doctor if labor can be induced and not recommend it. So you're back to square one again. By the way, what happened subtly in those scenes is we're going back in time. Like, up until then, we've kind of pretty much been in the future, right? That's right. That's right.

Starting point is 00:40:07 So going back to your bedroom now we're at the current. The first time we come back to. Yes. This is the first time we see modern, our normal time, exactly. So no jowls, no prosthetic weirdness for you. You don't look like Bitt. It's been funny if you popped out looking like Biff and you were in the wrong time zone, right? And you're like, well, that's so, yeah. So we're our normal selves.

Starting point is 00:40:30 Yeah, normal selves. We're in Janeway's ready room and Chacote is there to inform Jainway of the false labor alarm that just happened. And Chacote mentions that Harry has started a pool to guess. the day and time of the actual birth. Janeway is like, yeah, I'll take next Friday at 2,300 hours. So she's into this whole little pool that Harry has started. And Chocote does mention that Crumann Chelle wants to take over the mess hall full time.

Starting point is 00:40:57 This made me sad when they were talking about this because it reminded me that Neelix's gone. I know, I know. That made me sad. I miss Neelers. It is sad. I don't want Chell's plasma leak soup. Yes, you do.

Starting point is 00:41:09 You want his chicken. a warp cordon blue. I know you want that. I didn't want red alert chili. Oh, yes, you do. I didn't want it. I wanted Leola Roots do.

Starting point is 00:41:22 That's what I wanted. Janeway does ask Chikote if he will join her for lunch, but he says he's already made plans. And we jump to the next scene where we see him walk into the cargo bay. And this is where I kept thinking like,

Starting point is 00:41:37 yeah, you know, Seven really deserves her own quarters. I mean, she's just going the cargo bay. That's it. But she has a whole picnic thing spread out with a little, you know, blanket. Yeah, she did research. She did research on how to have a picnic. It's appropriate on a third date. Where were the other dates? Exactly. Because everything was just sort of in her, remember, she did the holographic test of holographic Chikote? And I thought that's all it is. But I guess they had real dates since then. So I was confused. Because this is their third real date. I know, but I was,

Starting point is 00:42:08 date completely confused i was i was confused it felt very unmotivated no i thought about like tom and balana literally took three seasons to build that relationship i know and they've done this they've had three dates off camera before just before the last episode it just felt unmotivated to me and you know it's just this scene is just offensive to all jc shippers yes it is and a story it's just offensive that comes on and they probably just go look. Roll their eyes and disgust is what happens. Here's the truth for me. I don't,

Starting point is 00:42:42 I don't hate the idea of Chikote and Seven as a couple for by the end of our series. I just don't like the way it was hand. It was tagged on as such a. Completely tagged on. And like you said, it takes time to like build things up like that. And just they're all of a sudden,

Starting point is 00:42:59 they're like an item. You know, it's like, what's happening here? This is bizarre. Moving over to the mess hall. Echib is playing Calto with. The Tuvok.

Starting point is 00:43:07 And I like this thing because Harry is sitting next to Tuvok trying to give secret signals to Icheb to help beat Tuvok. Tuvok catches on to Harry's little bruise. And, you know, he says to Icheb, I must inform you that Harry has never beaten me. And that experienced players may take hours to make one move, even days. And then right that point when he goes, even days, that's when Icheb just decides to put it in his place where he would think he would put it. his first original thoughts, you know. And he hits it there and the whole thing switches into a full.

Starting point is 00:43:41 He wins the game, basically, right? So Caltoe is achieved. Harry is amazed. Echep says, well, maybe it's just beginner's luck and Tuvok just looks completely out of sorts. But Harry says maybe this is his chance. So he runs around and says, I'm ready to play you now. And Tuvok says, no, I have to excuse myself. And he leaves.

Starting point is 00:44:00 He's very disturbed. Yes. And I feel like because we know where he's going in the future. this feels like the first signs. Yes. This is the beginnings. Yes. This is the beginnings of his dementia. And so he goes to sickbay and the doctor does examine him. Tuvok says that the loss at the Calto game was a result of another lapse in concentration. And the doctor's tricorder does read lower neuropeptide levels. Tuvok says that his condition is deteriorating. And the doctor says that, you know, it's just a small change and he just needs more medicine. This is another

Starting point is 00:44:35 example to me not quite as bold as the seven chicote out of nowhere thing but i felt like oh this is a great story and i wish there had been some moments that we had seen in any other episodes where it's like yeah he's just a little off you know if they had put in a line or two or just a mistake or two yeah in in a couple previous episodes by the time we get to hear and the doctor says yeah it's getting worse you kind of go oh yeah that's been happening since whatever episode yeah but it just came out of nowhere completely came out of nowhere we just like what and then the doctor says maybe it's time to inform captain janeway and tuvac quickly shuts that down he says no i will inform her only when it begin to affect the performance of my duties so he's he doesn't want anyone to know you know it's just

Starting point is 00:45:24 something that he's not happy about at all because uh it's scary too you know i mean you're losing you're losing your senses. You're losing your ability to process things. And also the doctor, Bob played this very empathetically. Like it was very sad even for the doctor. Like just a tragedy this situation. Yes. Agreed. Yeah. Astromatrix. We are in astrametrics and seven of nine is there. And on the view screen, we see Neelik. So all of your sad feelings about Neelix are now gone. Because you get to see Ethan Phillips, our good buddy Ethan on screen, playing Katis Kott is caught with seven. Do all our gains begin with K? Calto

Starting point is 00:46:03 Caddiscot? Okay. And now she asked how Brax is and Neelik says, you know, he's doing well and that he is planning on asking Dexa to marry him. Seven is happy for him as well. He does ask how the picnic went because it was his

Starting point is 00:46:21 suggestion to go on a picnic with Chakote. And at that point in alarm sounds, alarm sounds and seven notices that on long-range sensors, there are extremely high neutrino emissions, accompanied by intermittent graviton flux. And Neelix asked, is that possibly a wormhole? She's like, I don't know, I have to investigate further. But it's about three light years away.

Starting point is 00:46:42 At the very end, you know, Neelix says we can finish her game tomorrow. And Seven says, I'll contact you with the usual time. Yeah, which is cool, which means that he's still in contact with us all the time. It means he's been in contact. But the part that was funny to me is it seems like, Neelix and Seven are suddenly good friends. And again, these are all great ideas. I just wish they had pulled some of this story forward so that we could have seen some of it.

Starting point is 00:47:09 Right. So that we could have seen a Neelix seven scene where she's asking him for advice or things like that. And it's probably because they wrote it right. But they didn't have this, you know what I'm saying? They didn't have this thought until now. I mean, I guess that's where like, I think the seven Chikote relationship is a great idea. But it could have, there's so many opportunities if they had pulled it way forward and started that halfway through season seven. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:35 Or with Neelix and Seven's friendship or, you know, a lot of these things. Yeah, no, I agree with you. You're making perfect sense. Or even Harry becoming a captain. Like, if you had gotten some opportunities to, you know, get a promotion or you're heading that way. Or if Janeway had said, you know, you're going to make a great captain someday or something. Just those little things throughout the season, then this would be the payoff. off for things that we had set up.

Starting point is 00:48:01 Whereas they're all great ideas, but they weren't set up. And that's why they are, to me, less satisfying because they just feel, oh, that's a great idea. Why didn't this, you know, where did that come from? Anyway. Yeah. No, you're making perfect sense. But, you know, as well as I do, they were writing to the last second, dude.

Starting point is 00:48:22 I mean, you remember how that was. We would get that script at one in the morning, we'd shoot the next day. It was like, what? when's that coming they were literally not done yet not done yet so when you're acting like that it's really hard to pull things out to sort of track

Starting point is 00:48:38 them you know for six seven episodes and then have the payoff at the final episode I'm sure if they had and it wasn't the style back then for our soundtrack it was very standalone episodes it wasn't very much connective tissue agreed but it would have been more

Starting point is 00:48:54 satisfying if there was more of a payoff and that they brought all these little side B storylines up earlier, like in the beginning of season seven, right? And pepper it in here and there. And then we would have been, wow, that's cool. All right. So we're on the bridge. And Seven is explaining to the bridge crew that the emissions are occurring in the center

Starting point is 00:49:12 of the nebula and that there appear to be like hundreds of distinct sources. And then that just peaks Harry's interest immediately. He very excitedly adds, which could translate to hundreds of wormholes. Seven says, you know, radiation is interfering with our sensors. but if Harry is right, it could be the most concentrated occurrence of wormholes ever recorded. Tom says, one might take us right into your parents' living room. And Janeway says to Harry, Ensign, when you speak to your mother, tell her we may need her to move the sofa.

Starting point is 00:49:44 So some cute dialogue here, okay? So I felt there was Robert Doherty in this action right here. Yeah, there may have been Bob Doherty's stuff. I felt like Tom's sarcasm, like, oh, Harry, maybe one of them will lead right? right to your parents living room like it wasn't sarcasm to me you read it as sarcasm i read it as i read it a little mean like why is tom being mean oh putting fun at him or making fun of him he just wants to see yeah his his parents he wants just like everybody else even jane at the end tell your mom we may need to move the sofa yeah like it it felt like they were teasing harry a bit about how much he

Starting point is 00:50:22 wanted to get home to me okay i'm being you know yeah i'll tell you my take on it i i really felt like, you know, I mean, of all the characters, there was only one person who would only where this was their first mission and that was Harry. You know what I'm saying? So it was sort of like Harry's the every man. Harry's the lower decks guy in essence. And he's the guy that really wants to get home more than anything else. And so that's that's why if there was some teasing, I didn't see it as being malicious teasing. I thought it was sort of good. No, I thought it was a little worried like Tom's being a little bit of a jerk teasing. No, good. No. I thought it was funny.

Starting point is 00:50:59 I was like, that's pretty funny. Living room, ha, ha, ha. So, yeah, it didn't bother me at all. So, good. All right. All right, we are at the, the, it's so lovely that Starfleet labels their building so clearly. Like, we're able to see medical center, medical, massive sign, yep. Yes.

Starting point is 00:51:16 And now we're in Tuvok's room, and he's walking around. It's weird because in the beginning, you hear him say the numbers like this. He says, 7153, 5331, 7153, 5331. seven one five three five three three one but then when the physician starts talking about him repeating the numbers he goes he keeps saying the same numbers he says five three three one seven one five three one and i'm like oh that's okay that's not the exact um numbers that he said earlier but that's all right that's okay that's fine um but the doctor is there he's very concerned and he uh tuvac is just rambling on about janeway's disappearance is a mystery yeah janeway's this and that and it just it's a very um it's a

Starting point is 00:51:56 Her disappearance remains of mystery. Her disappearance of remains of mystery. He keeps repeating that over and over again. And all this emotion from Tuvok to me was very unsettling. Like I'm not used to Tim. We're not used to seeing him like that. No, he was very emotional and it just was hard to watch. Like it's, yeah, knowing the dementia storyline and who Tuvok truly is.

Starting point is 00:52:17 Yeah. It was very unsettling. I thought it was great, great performance. And great handheld shots like that kind of the lack of stability. and feeling a little, you know, unsettled with a camera. I thought it was really good. It added to it. Yeah, good choice, Alan Craker.

Starting point is 00:52:34 Starfleet Academy at the classroom of Berkeley, Berkeley's classroom, the doctor arrived to talk with Barclay about his concern with Janeway's request for the experimental medication. Red starts stammering, which is the tell that the doctor has picked up on, picked up on. He's like, wait a minute, you don't stammer anymore. Something's going on here. you're withholding information, where's Janeway? So, yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:59 Doc is a very good lie to detector. Yes. And the doctor, by the way, says, you know, you wouldn't be, you know, withholding this information unless she's doing something dangerous. So the doctor is concerned that this is a dangerous move. Yeah. And the doctor demands at the end of that scene, tell me where she is, rich. So we don't know if the doc finds out or not yet.

Starting point is 00:53:20 We don't. They don't. But it's a cool cut, because when he says, and very infat, He says, tell me where she is Reg. And then it cuts to the exterior shot of Janeway shuttle orbiting this moon or planet? I think it was a moon. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:36 It didn't look too planetary. We have a shot of a cave interior. We see Janeway materializing from her beam in. Moral comes to greet her with a couple of clings. At the very beginning of this, I was having flashbacks to Sacred Ground. The episode goes into the caves and the candles. The candles.

Starting point is 00:53:54 I had sacred ground flashbacks. I was like, oh, I remember directing this episode. Yeah, but you're a very first directing job ever, right? Yeah. Professional one, that is. So, yeah, so anyways, as the Klingons come in with Moral, there's a little bit of, I guess, a heated, you know, exchange between Maraul and one of the Klingons.

Starting point is 00:54:15 Yeah, Maraul's tough. She's a tough. I wrote down, that's my girl. That's your girl. Yeah, she snapped right back. And Janeway asked what she said. and basically said, well, they felt that Janeway was disrespecting them. And basically Moral steps in and says, like, no, she's not.

Starting point is 00:54:32 And if you don't let, you know, if you don't back off, I'm going to break your arm. This is what she said to him. So she threatened physical violence is what your daughter is. So she's an enforcer. That's my girl. She's an enforcer. Okay. Janeway dismisses your daughter.

Starting point is 00:54:43 She's a thank you. You're done. And Maral's like, what? She doesn't want to go. I'm with you. She's like, no, no, no. I have to go do this alone. You're done.

Starting point is 00:54:51 Thank you. So she leaves. and Janeway continues to walk into the room where Corath is located and they have a little bit of talk back and forth and it's Vaughn Armstrong that's playing Corrath, right? So he does not give her what she came for, even though she already gave him what he needed

Starting point is 00:55:09 the seat on the High Council, but she did not get what she was coming for, which we still don't know what it is. We just know it's very dangerous, whatever it is, right? Janeway's dismissed by Korath. She leaves, not happy. we jumped to a scene on the bridge and Janeway is there. The whole gang is there.

Starting point is 00:55:27 She hails seven to see if seven has any further data on the neutrino emissions. We hop over to astrometrics and we see seven and she says, no, she hasn't really seen anything more than what she saw before. We're back on the bridge and Tuvok does detect a tritanium signature. At which point, Janeway, who's standing by Paris, says evasive maneuvers. So we're trying to get away from what are the tritonium signatures. And it's kind of in this cloud. Oh, yeah, the nebula has all this, yeah, cloudy stuff going on.

Starting point is 00:55:54 So we don't know what the heck's going on. It's like fog. It's like driving in the fog. It's pea soup. Then Kim quickly reads another Tritanium signature. I really liked my reading of this line. I said, I'm reading another Tritanium signature right on top of us. I gave this urgency to it, which really cut well with that, you know, the next scene of the

Starting point is 00:56:10 the core cube emerging out of the nebula gas. Very cool reveal. Oh, my God. Cool reveal, but even cooler was when Janeway says your name. she said your name the same way as if your wife was sitting next to you and you're driving and you're about to hit something she was like Tom she would Tom

Starting point is 00:56:27 like that and both of you ducked which I thought like that is hilarious it's so funny if that would actually make us miss the board cube by ducking no no no it's your commands it does as if it's going to like come in the view screen and over our heads and yes exactly

Starting point is 00:56:45 and give you a bit of a haircut what's going on yes what would why did you you guys did crinker actually direct you guys to duck there he must have or maybe the script said it no but see what but what shocks me is that nobody including myself that was on the bridge nobody looked at that script and said excuse me why are they ducking um there's no you know what I'm saying nobody even even the script supervise the first AD nobody said hey no this doesn't really make sense why are they no it doesn't make sense but it made us not it made us laugh I know you laughed

Starting point is 00:57:18 when you saw it. Yes, I did. I think it might be in my reaction videos. Yeah, it's, it's yes. Yes. Anyway, Jamie tells Tom to get us out of here now once we realize that this, this is like Borg Central. So we have an image of Voyager on a Borg view screen. And as we see this, we do hear the voice of a Borg voice saying a vessel identified as Voyager. We will pursue and assimilate. Then the camera pans over to the Borg queen standing in this very cool. looking chamber that she's standing in and she's got this great back light behind her she was great cool she's she kind of comes down yeah it comes the the elevator thing does she move down or she already standing he does she comes down a little bit the light and the light follows so they've got like rock and roll lights behind her that are yeah tilting down the lights moved with her as she

Starting point is 00:58:08 yes and that's a complicated thing for the crew to program because you've got to get it just precise good enough that it lights the actor but it doesn't flare the lens That's those are hard shots to do. They take a little time. It was great. Great close up. And it's Harry's girlfriend. It's my girl.

Starting point is 00:58:25 The board queen says to the cube, do not pursue Voyager. I will keep an eye on Voyager. So now we know something's amiss. Something's afoot. Something is happening right now with the Bork Queen. And we don't know what it is. We don't know what it is. We jumped to the briefing room and there is confusion over why the cube did not detect us.

Starting point is 00:58:46 and Kim wants to go back. Kim's like, I want to go back. Chaymway says no. And she says her quote, I'm sorry, Mr. Kim. You might be the captain someday, but not today. Oh, you might be the captain. So there is that in there.

Starting point is 00:59:02 See, there is a little bit of that. Yeah. Get it? Because he's the captain. Yes, I get it. We're shadowing. Okay. Exterior space shot of Voyagerid Impulse,

Starting point is 00:59:10 and now we're in the corridors. Yes. But we see Tom kind of strolling along and Harry runs and catches up and says, hey what's you doing after your shift is over and tom's like not much so harry suggests one last adventure before tom becomes a father so he hands him a padda and the minute that tom looks at it he's just like no not into this because clearly these are plans that harry has drawn up to modify the flyer to help it to be to remain i guess undetected when we fly back into the nebula to find the right wormhole to get back home. So Tom's like not even been into this. And Harry's

Starting point is 00:59:48 like, no, no, no, we can get this approved by the captain. Just come with me. And again, Tom's like, no. And I love that little ending scene where you're in the turbo lift. And Tom and Harry sticks his foot in stopping the doors from closing. He's like, Captain Proton would never do this. And then Tom's like, yeah, Captain Proton doesn't have a kid coming along. So it was a nice kind of like a real, a shot of realism basically. Like, you know, a shot of reality for Harry to realize that, look, Tom's growing up now. He's got. responsibility he's got a family he's not going to jump into the delta flyer and fly into 47 board cubes for fun you know or to find a way home he's just not going to risk it so well i also like

Starting point is 01:00:25 in the hallway scene near the end just for the turbo lift part where yeah harry says don't you want to find a way home and harris's response is i am home harry yes that that was a pretty profound moment that's very profound yeah that is very he likes it here he's got it good he's changed yes of all It was great. Great scene. Very, very good scene. Okay. So now.

Starting point is 01:00:50 Astromatrics. We got astrometrics. Chocote. Chocote comes in. Asking for dates. Yes. He's here in an unofficial capacity, he says. I'm wondering about when they can get together again.

Starting point is 01:01:03 And literally the way Beltran was like kind of walking around and chasing her. I was like, wow, he has got the hots bad for her. He's like, when can we get together again? Walking, following her. being all charming i did not read it that way i totally did he was ready for more dates like bad and he makes a joke she says well what what what should we do on a date and he says well it depends on your research would a quiet dinner be an appropriate fourth day and she says no i think that's more of a fifth date right and chokote with all his his kind of innuendo is like well i'm willing to

Starting point is 01:01:42 skip ahead if you are innuendo like let's go beyond the dinner and all of it let's just cut to the chase is what i was feeling from it it was feeling very like very let's cut to the chase okay you know that was my vibe in the scene but not a long scene very short scene no it's very short the next scene is longer we're in sick bay the doctor is giving seven her maintenance checkup everything's fine and then seven asks if the fail safe device and her cortical node can be extracted. And the doctor said, oh, you know, actually, I was hoping that you would ask me about this because I've already gone ahead and done the research.

Starting point is 01:02:23 I figured out how to actually reconfigure the microcircuitary with a single procedure. So now you can experience a full range of emotions and she's not going to shut down like she did in that one episode. But then after that, the doctor says, speaking of dates, once the failsafe is gone, you'll be free to pursue more intimate relationships. And Seven says she's aware of that. And you can tell us she's very embarrassed to talk about this with the doctor. How did you read what he said after that? He says, which part?

Starting point is 01:02:49 If you decide that you need help with that aspect of your humanity, I'm always at your disposal. I think it was if you want to have a relationship, I'm interested in having a relationship with you. But I didn't feel like it was so blatantly nooky as the previous Chikote scene. The previous Chikote scene to me was, let's just skip all the other dates and have Nookie. Whereas this one was like, the doctor to me was like, oh, you want to learn about being human and explore your romantic side? I can help you. I would be willing to have a relationship with you and develop a romance. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:24 And she shuts him down immediately. But she's clearly wanting to explore that side of her humanity, having intimate relationships, not just sexual, emotional, all of it. Right. And he's sad. It's a sad moment, you know. Yeah. Because she says, I already have all the help I need. And when he responds, ah, of course, it was very sad to me.

Starting point is 01:03:47 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, the sad part was because she says, I already have all the help I need. And he goes, ah, of course, you'll undoubtedly be running more simulations with the Chikote hologram. And she goes, no, actually, I'll see you at 8,800 hours. So now he knows that she's not with the hologram.

Starting point is 01:04:08 she's with a human an actual human version that's what he gets out I don't think he knows that it's Chicoatay yet I don't think he just knows that there's someone there's some real yeah and then someone real

Starting point is 01:04:18 and that landed that land was hard like he was tarp I love this scene with the Doctrine 7 I thought this was a great struggle with her about letting go of her boredness and the fear of

Starting point is 01:04:30 going into a more human experience and all the things that that means I thought it was a great scene for both of them We're in the Klingon Lab next, and Janeway comes in. She says that, you know, she's reconsidered his offer about the shield emitter that he wanted to buy. And she said the first time that it wasn't for sale, but now she says, I'm willing to give you that shield emitter. But first, I want to inspect the device that you say you have.

Starting point is 01:04:59 I haven't seen it yet. I want to inspect it. She wants to make sure it's the real deal. Yeah, he's offended. He's like, oh, you question my honor. you don't think I'm telling you, you know, the truth. And she says, well, you change the terms. So you question.

Starting point is 01:05:13 She calls his, yeah. She says, if you were honorable, you wouldn't have changed the terms of our agreement. Like you already, you already changed everything to begin with. You're the one that's dishonorable. So he thinks about it for a minute. He has the other Klingons lower the force field that's hiding this device in this little alcove. She steps in to look at it.

Starting point is 01:05:30 Not only was it a force field. Wasn't it also something like you couldn't even see it? Like a cloaking device, yes. Yeah, it was a cloaking thing that happened there. Yeah. And then she looks at it and she kind of puts something on it like a tracking device or something. And she says, this will do just fine. And then she hits her tricorder.

Starting point is 01:05:51 And she and a device beam out. Isn't that what happens? Yeah, she's tricky. And he's pissed. She just stole it, basically. She tricked him and stole it. As they shoot at her as she's beaming out. Yes.

Starting point is 01:06:05 Yes. I love it. And now she's in her shuttle, that she's going on the secret mission. Yeah. She asked it to deploy the armor. We cut outside, we see these plates of armor going over the shuttle.

Starting point is 01:06:18 And I thought that was super cool visual effect. It's cool except for one thing. It covered everything, including the nacelles. Like, don't we need the nacelles to be sort of open so that we can, you know, impulse and warp out of there? Like, it's like, I think so. It's sort of like covering the muffler.

Starting point is 01:06:35 on your car, covering every way of venting any type of anything, you know? Yeah, maybe. Nothing's going out. So it was kind of weird. Maybe the shielding is like one directional, you know. Ooh. Okay. Hey, look at that.

Starting point is 01:06:49 You're speaking science now to me. Yes, I am. I'm an engineer. They fire. It looks super cool. Tom Paris is jealous. I'll just say that. I'm sure.

Starting point is 01:06:57 She's in the super cool shuttle. They fired her. She flies away. Korath comes on the monitor. He's pissed off. he even says you know we will not rest

Starting point is 01:07:08 until you are drowned in your own blood so he's yeah he's pissed but to me I kind of chuckled a little bit because I know

Starting point is 01:07:19 Von Armstrong very well and he's oh he's the most mellow sweetest guy and for him to say I won't rest until you've drowned in your own blood

Starting point is 01:07:28 is like he would never say that no he would never it's so opposite of who he is as a person but that's why he's a good actor so she's gone she's out of there, right?

Starting point is 01:07:35 She says later, computer warp six. And this is when I realized when she went to warp, the nacelles are completely covered. How the hell are you going to warp? So that's what I was thinking. It's a unidirectional. It's a unidirectional shielding. It only shields from the outside,

Starting point is 01:07:51 anything from the inside can exit. I think Tom designed this unidirectional shielding, and she's just used, he's part of it. Clearly you did. A little later, we're still in the shuttle. The computer tells her that they're a approaching the coordinates. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:05 She comes to a stop where she wants to be, vector one, two, one, mark six. No, no, that's not where she wants to be. That's the computer warning saying to the vessel approaching from. Oh, yeah, that's right. To one mark six, yeah. We see a Starfleet vessel. And guess what? It's the USS Rhode Island, which is Harry's ship.

Starting point is 01:08:23 Harry gets to command that one. He says, lower your shields, Admiral, prepare for transport, taking you into custody. And Janeway says, look, you've got no grounds to take me into custody, captain. And Kim's like, look, Reg told the doctor, everything. Doctor told me to stand down. Janeway's like, okay, all right, I will. If you let me explain why I am doing this. So that brings us into the next scene, which is on the USS Road.

Starting point is 01:08:48 Harry's ready room. I get her ready room. I know. I'm so happy. Very cool. And Harry is just not convinced. They're clearly mid-conversation. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:58 He says, you don't even know what the consequences could possibly be. and she says, well, I know the consequences if we don't do something. Right. And so do you. Right. And she wants to change the future, the past. You know, she wants to change the timeline a bit, clearly. I put that together at this point.

Starting point is 01:09:18 Yes. She's trying to go back and change it. Harry says, have you told anybody Starfleak Command? No, she hasn't. Harry is very insistent when he's talking to Janeway. He's saying, are you absolutely certain that it will work? Because you're not absolutely certain, I mean, even if it wasn't a violation of every rule in the book, it would be so, so risky. Dangerous to do this.

Starting point is 01:09:41 It's just dangerous, right? And then Janeway says, well, I remember a young ensign who wanted to fly into a Borg infested nebula just to explore the remote possibility that we might find a way home, which refers back to the scene where Harry was trying to grab Tom to do the modifications on the flyer. And Kim says, well, yeah, but if I remember correctly, you stopped me. And Janeway says, look, we didn't know what we know now. And so, you know, Kim's like our technology may have advanced. But Janeway goes, look, look, this is not about tech. This is about people, people who are not as lucky as you and I are. So we're basically talking about Chikote.

Starting point is 01:10:14 So with J.C. shippers everywhere they can rejoice. Here she is trying to do something to get Chocote back with us, basically. That's what I love. I also love the way that Alan Craker shot the scene, the profiles. When you guys are debating, you know, you're like, no, it's too risky. Yeah. She's like, here's my side, your side, my side. I love the profiles. And then when she gets into, it's not about this technology we're debating. It's about people. He came around to the front and started pushing in on her. And it was just beautifully built drama in the scene, the way that he shot. The kinds of shots he used were perfect. They were so organic. That's what I liked about it, right? There was an organic feeling to that shot. It just flowed. It flowed very well. Yeah. It was great. Now we go to Chiquote's quarter. We're clearly back when he was alive, so back in our real-time line, and seven beams in to his quarters with flowers. And he kind of makes a joke about something wrong with the door, but she didn't want everybody to see her carrying flowers to a first officer's quarters.

Starting point is 01:11:18 Right. And he goes to put him in water, and she grabs him and whips him around into their big, passionate kiss. and I just you went ooh I went ooh it just it's not that I went ooh because they should never it's just too fast

Starting point is 01:11:37 it's out of nowhere yeah but anyway it happens she kisses him there's some witty dialogue there what about the second kiss I'll have to check the database yeah she does say

Starting point is 01:11:46 you know she kissed him first because she just wanted to alleviate the tension she had done research she says she's going to check the database for the second kiss when he kisses her so they both clearly are choosing this relationship. They both want it.

Starting point is 01:11:59 Fine. And then Janeway hails them off. You know, you hear Janeway's hail. Senior officer reports to the bridge. Would have been funny if she says, and get your lips off of my Chikote. It would have been good. Would have been funny. She said, has them report to the bridge.

Starting point is 01:12:14 Chikote's his response is to seven. He says, well, next time we should deactivate the comm system. I thought, that's not very responsible for the first officer to say, let's just turn off. my phone while I have some nooky. You know, you could be a member of the lower decks and say that, but if you're the bridge crew, you're the first officer. You're the F.O. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:12:35 You can't do that. It just doesn't work. We go to the bridge. They come in from the turbo lift together, and I love when Kate looked back at them coming in. Did she give them a look? Was it a look? She sort of did like a head shake.

Starting point is 01:12:47 Oh, really? I did not catch that. It was a Cape Mulgrew. I didn't catch that. Together, huh? I didn't catch that. I did. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:12:56 Um, but she says that there's some sort of temporal rift. Yeah. And seven wants to know how it's, where it's coming from. Janeway says, trying to figure it out. Uh-huh. And we cut back to the future Janeway. She's in her shuttle. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:10 And Kim is working on, you know, propulsion, plasma flow. He's trying to make sure that if she's going to do this. Yeah, that it's going to go off the best, you know, that it can go off. But I love his opening line in this scene. If Starfleck command finds out I had anything to do with this, they'll demote me back to Ensign. I'm like, oh no, we don't want that. Yes, no.

Starting point is 01:13:32 But she's helping her get everything done. Janeway says, I always assumed this was a one-way trip. And that gives Harry pause because he didn't know that that's what was going to happen. He's like, you sure, I can't talk you out of this. And he looks at her conviction in her face. And he says, right, stupid question. And that's when she kind of, she grabbed my face over. She kind of grabbed you and walked to the back, looked at you, you know, turned you toward her.

Starting point is 01:14:00 And I thought, oh, she's going to kiss Harry. I guess everybody's kissing in the, I guess seven and Chakotay are kissing. I guess Harry and Janeway's going to kiss Harry. Why not? Everybody should kiss everybody. Okay. Okay. Right now.

Starting point is 01:14:15 But she didn't. She hugged you. She hugged you. But for a moment, I was like, what's happening? I will say after the hug and when I look at her, it's we're face to face, right? Yeah, it was a nice moment. That was a great moment. Once I realized you weren't going to make out, I was fine with that.

Starting point is 01:14:31 But for a moment, I was like, oh, God, they're going to make out. She goes, remember, it's always our secret. You're my little boy toy. And she walks right after she gives me this huge kiss. You're my little boy toy, and she leaves. Well, that would have been funny. But no, the minute I, after she hugs me, we have this face-to-face. We're looking at each other, this two shots.

Starting point is 01:14:54 And I just say, I say, Kim to the Rhode Island, one to beam back. All of my emotion and was, I felt more of my emotion was in that line and that last moment before I beamed out than the, then the prior, the prior beat. The prior beat I didn't think landed as well as that just Kim looking at Janeway, knowing that this is probably the last time. It was a really nice. I wrote down, it was a really great scene. It just freaked me out that you were in the beginning, make out with that I was going to make out

Starting point is 01:15:22 with Janeway. Wow. That's funny. okay it was funny it was terrifying because because you got thrown for a loop about because with Janeway and Chichote I'm sorry with Chacote and seven with the whole like you know

Starting point is 01:15:34 she grabbing him and kissing him and so you thought yeah it was coming kind of right near that and I was like oh great everybody's kissing everybody it was great oh my God and then you kiss the doctor and that'll be it yeah exactly like I wouldn't have been surprised which did happen in a prior episode remember that yeah yes okay so anyway so

Starting point is 01:15:54 Harry beams back and Janeway then activates the chrono deflector and this funky we see an exterior shot of the actual the thing turning on. It looks like a green as a green lantern day or something. Yeah. It comes up on top of the shuttle. And now that two Klingon ships just kind of come out of nowhere starts, you know, firing at Janeway. She wants to deploy that cool oblative armor, but it's offline. It's not going to be, it's not going to help her at this point. So she goes with evasive pattern Beta 6, and she hails Harry. She says, Harry, I'm under attack. How fast can you get back here?

Starting point is 01:16:27 Actually, like, Harry wouldn't have been gone that long, right? I mean, I think he just beamed back. Oh, no, just left. Yeah, he's close by. He's close by. Now we're on the bridge. Back in our real timeline. Is this real timeline?

Starting point is 01:16:40 Yeah, normal time. Yes, that's right. And he says he's detecting Nadion discharges on the other side of the rift. Chikote's like weapons fired. And Tuvok says possibly, but the signature is Klingon. So Janeway now goes, Brett alert, because she doesn't know what's happening right now at all. And then we see back in Janeway's shuttle,

Starting point is 01:17:01 Harry does return. He does return. We see out in space, the ship returns, starts firing at the Klingons. Right. He wants to transport Janeway over to the Rhode Island. She's like, no, no, you know where I'm going. It's not to your ship. And Kim's like very worried. He's like, well, your structural integrity is failing. He's like, just get the Klingons off of my tail, Harry. And then she activates the Tachian Pulse. and directs it to the spatial and temporal coordinates. Flies into this rift out in space.

Starting point is 01:17:26 It's very cool. We cut to the bridge in our timeline. Tuvok says there's a vessel coming through the rift. Chikote says, a Klingon. No, it's a federation vessel. And then we see Admiral Janeway shuttle fly out of the rift from the future. And then back on the bridge, we're hailed. Janeway says on screen, and we see Admiral Janeway talking.

Starting point is 01:17:51 to Captain Janeway, and the Admiral says, recalibate your deflector to emit attacking on pulse. You've got to seal the rift. Janeway, Captain Janeway, questions her, well, you should probably introduce yourself first. Tuvok tells her the Klingon vessel is coming through, and Admiral says, close the rift. In case you didn't notice, I outrank you, Captain.

Starting point is 01:18:12 Now do it. And they close the rift. I love that Admiral Janeway is bossing Captain Janeway around. That's great. I do. Can I just tell you my alternate final third line ending of my haiku? So my haiku was 10-year reunion, Janeway plan solo mission, secret time travel. And the other one that first came up was 10-year reunion, Janeway plan solo mission.

Starting point is 01:18:36 Janeway meet Janeway. That's good. That's the other alternate ending of that haiku. So there you go. I love that she's bossing around. When they close the rift, the very last line is that Captain Janeway asked what's going on. What the hell is going on. Yes.

Starting point is 01:18:53 And then we see her response, the Admiral's response, but we see it on a Borg. View screen. She says, I've come to bring Voyager home. And the Borg Queen is watching this. And we know there's going to be trouble. And that's it. That's the end of this episode. Part one.

Starting point is 01:19:15 Or at least the first of part one, that's for sure. Part one finishes there. Oh, my gosh. What is your lesson from part one? My lesson, I did. I did. I had a lesson. The lesson is sometimes you have to break the rules to do something important.

Starting point is 01:19:32 I think that, you know, Janeway's mission of if she's going to help the people she loves and correct some mistakes, and she has a way to do it, she's going to have to probably break some rules. And she's only breaking the rules that put herself at risk. She's not breaking rules to put anyone else. at risk. So I'm on board with her logic here. I like that. I do like that. Yeah. I don't have a specific lesson for this episode. I have a lesson for actors from this episode, which is when they tell you they're putting old age makeup on you and they're going overboard and giving you too much, say, no, this is not realistic. I want less jowls and stuff, stuff. You know, I don't. I'm just be prepared to not just go with the flow always.

Starting point is 01:20:19 that they know what's right all the time because clearly that was not right. Yeah, I think Kate and Roxanne were correct. They were. Nope, no, they were. They vetoed all the jowls and they looked perfect. Whereas we should have vetoed the jowls and the extra prosthetics and we would. Although it's cool. I'm glad I got to put that cool makeup on.

Starting point is 01:20:39 Like, it looked cool. Yeah. Oh, I'm glad that I got to see you as Biff. So that made me happy. Okay. What's your rating on this? I'm going to give this a, I'm going to say a 9.5. Whoa.

Starting point is 01:20:53 I'm going to go high. Wow, you are. I'm going to go high. Just because it used everybody. We're all in this, okay? We are all in this episode. I felt, okay? I felt across the board.

Starting point is 01:21:04 There was humor. There was drama. It was a who done it. It was a mystery. You don't know what the hell is going on. It's masterfully created. Like I said before, I mean, all the story structure and how everything twists and turns. No, the story is really, really well done.

Starting point is 01:21:20 Yes. Story is really well done. I love the performances. I actually really like this episode too, but the lack of setup for the seven Chiquotay for me is a big ding on it. And I'm going to give this still very strong rating 8.5. Okay. 8.5.

Starting point is 01:21:43 But I think if that had been. set up and this was the payoff this would be a 10 for me this would be a 10 like if our all right if our old age makeup you and me was done correctly it was a 10 with that you know I dropped a point five oh yes man I mean I thought this was a great great episode it's a really good episode I dropped down to yeah it dropped point five because of our makeup and that was it there was no other reason other than that otherwise it had all the elements that you say is a good episode yeah I need to see all the players in there you You know what I'm saying? I don't want one guest star being the main focus for the entire episode.

Starting point is 01:22:21 It's not. It's not. We're, we are all equally in this thing, all the way across. Although, although Balana's not in this a whole lot. She's in there with her pregnancy. She's in there with her, you know, she's in there. She's in there. She's not, she's not an afterthought either. So I really, really, really enjoyed this episode. Yeah, that's good. All right. Well, thank you for listening. And I can't believe you joined us for this part one we've got one last podcast for the voyager episodes and it's end game part two the finale wow i'm gonna cry i know okay um yes all right but we still have more to do on this episode and for those of you who are patreon patrons please stay tuned for your bonus material You know,

Starting point is 01:23:18 So, I'm going to be able to be.

The Delta Flyers - Endgame Part I

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