The Delta Flyers - Facets

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Facets, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell. Facets: Jadzia Dax prepares for her zhian’tara, the Trill Rite of Closure. During the ritual, Jadzia will meet Dax’s previous hosts.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, Chris Garis, Sean T, & Cindy WoodfordOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano,  Randy Hawke, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Keir Newton, Mariette Karr, Jeff Allen, & Tamara EvansAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Klee Wiggins, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Karen Galleski, Nicole Brettell, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Lindsay Bundy, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Robby Hill, Andrea Wilson, Angela Clermont, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Jim Poesl, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Shawn Battershall, & Natalie SwainThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Garrett Wong and Robert Duncan McNeil and myself, Terry Farrell. For the complete and exciting version of this podcast, you've got to check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. Hello there, friends. Oh, hello. Our monsoons have started here in New Mexico.

Oh, really? Yeah, it's great. I don't remember the last year. Do you have like a monsoon season? Is that a thing? Yes. Isn't that exciting? I mean, what are you dealing with there with the monsoon?

Just heavy rains? Is that mainly it? Heavy rain. Okay, yesterday it hailed like teeny weenie hail where it looks like, you know, little who's from Whoville, the little teeny puffs to like suddenly it became like really big, like the size of a marble. A dime, a small marble. Yeah. And poor Betty was outside and I was running after. She's like, oh, poor thing.

And then just sprinkle. Yeah. Hail is so serious in terms of like, if you think about it, if it's warm enough, it's just rain, which does nothing to your car. But if you have hail, Robbie's had hail damage on his car. Yeah. It's just, it leaves these horrible dents, which you're screwed. You have to replace the whole thing, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I was worried about the roof. That's what I thought about. I think they're rated for that. they already, yeah, I think you'll be okay.

Yeah, they're tiny. Your car was not outside when it hailed. I wouldn't. Honestly, one of the first things, I don't know, you guys, when you have a list of things you want, when you're wherever you're renting or buying attached garage. Yes. For safety.

I just can't, I can't live without it that way. It makes me too nervous. So not even a carport, right? If you got a car port, which would be opened everything around, no. You need an enclosed attached garage. to your foundation. Yeah, single woman.

You've got to be smart about it. I mean, if you're asking for something, attached garage is not too much to ask for. Also, if you have an attached garage, you can dump all of your junk and your stuff in there. So where are you going to put all that stuff? I mean, my garage is too small. My Prius fits and my, I have, my dad gave me his bicycle. Nice. Congratulations.

Thank you. I'm so excited. When it stops raining, I'm going to go ride it. Is it flat enough that you can ride comfortably, or is it a lot of hills? Yeah. Well, there's little, no, it's pretty flat. I mean, even though I'm in the mountains, it's sort of like plateaus where they put houses. I don't know.

You know what I mean? There's these weird kind of, I don't know what they're called, but. Well, good. I remember riding my bike in L.A. Because it's so flat around the, you know, the flats of L.A. The hills get hilly, but once you're down and where I was like Venice. The hills get hilly, ladies, ladies and gentlemen, did you know that? You heard it here.

You heard it here. Is that mansplaining as well? I don't know. I don't know. But I want to say for Robbie, he would ride his, he told me once. He said, I'm going to ride my bike. I said, to work. And this is when Robbie was working at Warner Brothers.

So he rode it. So, Terry, you understand the distance involved. He rode from Marina, Del Rey to Warner Bros. Studios in Burbank. Holy cow. Is that like 20 miles? I don't know. I don't know if it was that many miles, but it took like an hour and a half or something

for me to get that. Yeah. Yeah, it was a long ride. It must have been insane shape. I used to love riding. Marvin lost a ton of weight doing that. Yeah. Marvin Rush did?

Marvin Rush. Yeah. He'd ride his bike to work. Yeah. So I'm sorry. I was just saying you're insane shape. Clearly, I need to. on my medication, and I interrupted you.

I'm so sorry. Well, congratulations on your bicycle. On your dad's bike. Thank you. Your dad's bike. It's a history there. Yeah. We got some birthdays.

Were you in insane shape? Did you love doing it? I did. I don't know if I was ever an insane shape because I like donuts too much. But I was pretty fit for a while there. Yeah. I loved cycling. One of the A.Ds I worked with Chris DeLopena.

He was a triathlete. He did the Iron Man and stuff like that. Oh, I didn't know. And he lived near me. Yeah, Chris was on Chuck with me for five years. He lived near me in Marina del Rey. So we would meet up on the weekends and go for these long, like, six-hour rides up to Ventura or all over. You know, we'd go all over the place.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, Chris was always in good shape now that I think of it. Oh, yeah. I visited Robbie many times. when he was producing and directing on Chuck over at Warner Brothers and Chris, I got to know. Chris was very nice to me because one day when I was visiting Robbie, I was sitting in one of the director's chair, and I broke it. You did?

Yes. I sat down in a weird angle and the whole thing just snapped underneath me and I fell on the ground. Yes. I said to Chris, I said, Chris, I'm so sorry. I just broke the chair. And he joked around. He was like, that's no problem. We'll send you what it costs.

We'll send you the bill. And I was like, okay. Yeah, let me give you the address. And Chris was like, I'm kidding. We're not going to charge you for breaking a director's chair. And I'm like, thank you, Chris. Thank you. So that was nice.

Chris is awesome. Those chairs go through a lot of, yeah, a lot of abuse, for sure. I still have my Star Trek chair in the garage. Me too. Speaking of garages. Yes, me too. Do you have your DS9 chair? Oh, you didn't take the chair.

Cherry, you didn't take the chair. No. Okay. Because they put Nicole DeVore on that chair. Oh, that's right. they didn't give us our director chairs they let us have our canvas usually they just give the whole chair yeah yeah the chairbacks I was on the cheap show yeah all of our money was on screen it was all on the screen for sure yeah yeah yeah you take the back off right you could take the back off and you can take the canvas back off and then put it onto a different chair so they would swap out the chair backs correct during the day because they didn't have enough chairs on hand to fit everybody that could possibly show up so they'd switch the chairbacks because they were over on our set yes well i took my whole chair i have the wooden frame and everything yeah me too i remember early on

when i got to hollywood going to you know meetings in producers offices or things like that and they would frame their chairbacks inside of a frame and they'd have all these chairbacks from all the shows that they had worked on nice wow i remember being so intimidated and impressed by that. I was like, wow, they've got 10 chairbacks up on the wall with all the shows. Yeah. Birthday time. Birthday time.

Yes, we have some birthdays. Birthday time, starting with Terry. Zachary Voss, you're having a birthday on May 13th. And I want to be the first to say, happy birthday, Zachary. Happy birthday, Zachary. Happy birthday. Zachary Voss. Next up we have Nicole Breddle.

Nicole Breddle, happy birthday to Nicole. that would be May 16th. Happy birthday, Nicole. Happy birthday, Nicole. We also have Tristan Everts on May 17th. Happy birthday, Tristan. Happy birthday, Tristan. Happy birthday to Tsunami Tristan.

Next, a very happy birthday to Victor Ling, May 17th. Happy birthday, Victor. Happy birthday, Victor. Happy birthday, Victor. Also on May 17th, we've got three people with May 17th birthdays. Yeah. Chris Hansen. Happy birthday, Chris.

Happy birthday, Chris. Happy birthday, Chris. And last but not least, we have Andrew Cook Feltz on May 18th. Happy birthday, Andrew. Happy birthday, Andrew. Happy birthday to Andrew May 18th, which is also my sister's birthday. So happy birthday to Laura, my dear sister, May 8th. Happy birthday, Laura.

Happy birthday, Laura. Who you've met, Robbie. Who I have met many times. Yes, you have. Okay, let's jump into our poetry synopsis, starting with Robbie's poetry. Go ahead. Yes, yes, here we go. Here's my limerick for this week.

Dax has Zintara and meets the host that came before. With Curzon Odo, she must settle a score. Nog nails his Starfleet test in spite of Cork's loud protest. Now both Dax and Odo appreciate things a whole bunch more. That was good. There you go. There you go. Thank you. I didn't know what to call Curzon or Odo, so I named it. I was going to say Curzodo. Yes, you should have. You should have. With Curzoto. she must settle a score. But then there's a note or you or Odo

Curzon. Ozone. O'Don. O'Don. Could have been Ozon. O'Don. O'Don. O'Don. Yeah. That would have worked too. Okay. How about a haiku? Sure. Here's my haiku for facets.

Dax must Gentara. Jazea meets the seven. Rom stands up for Nog. Nice. Yeah. Well,

This is a really interesting episode, just because this ritual that we're talking about, Gentara, it's, there's so many, as many hosts that you have, we have that many different pronunciations of that of Jintara. Zintara or Jintara. I'm pronouncing it the way that Dax or Terry did it because she's in the whole episode. So the way Terry pronounced it was, she joshes it up, so it's Jintara. Then when it goes to Quark, he says Jintara. He doesn't go, he goes, he goes jintara.

Then when the trill dude comes up, or the trill guidance guy, what is his name? He's a trill guardian. He says, Jontara, okay? He goes, jauntara. And then Cisco says Jontara with a J. So there's like seven different pronunciations of it, which is fine. Everyone can pronounce it wherever, however they want it. But I'm going to pronounce it the way Dax does, which is Jintara.

And then Robbie just did. Zintara without the jeet with just now. Well, it's kind of Z is how it's spelled. It does have a Z, but it has an H-2. Yeah. That's what I was going to ask you. Do you have the actual script in front of you? How is it spelled in the script?

It is spelled. I'm really curious. Let's see. You must have spelled it how it's spelled. Z-H-I-N-N-I-N. I think so. Because on screen when you hit, like when you're watching episode, you want to do subtitles, they spell it Z-H-I-N with an A in there and then T-R.

H, H-H-I-A-N-A-N-A-R-A is in the script. Okay, so in the script there's an A there. Yeah. Oh, which explains why some people are saying, Jeffrey Allen Chandler said. John, yes. John Tara. John-Tarra. That's right, because he saw the A, you know, so.

All right, it is what it is. Slight issues. So I would say, don't rely on me, but for pronunciations. What's your world? Garrett, you're so good at that. Okay. Well, I, again, I'm going to just pronounce it the way your character did. So I'm going to, since you're the main character in this episode, pretty much, I'm going to say Jintara.

Okay. Yeah. But anyone can choose to pronounce it any way they want. Written by Renee Eshavaria, directed by Cliff Bull. And Robbie, this is the very last episode that Cliff directed at D-Space 9. I can't believe that. No, you can believe it because guess what? Are you sure?

Yes, because I'll tell you what happened. They moved him to Voyager Because this is when he started coming to Voyager And just directing him to Voyager a lot Yes Is he not with us anymore? No he is not No he passed away

Yeah He retired And it's a ball without the yes at the end Teddy bear of a man Twos Sweet sweet man He was awesome He got me

The opportunity to go Shadow on the X-Files When they brought that show back to L.A And they were filming over at Fox Studios I got to go Shadow an episode. He was directing. Was he directing? No. He, he wasn't even directing, but he got me the connection on the set. Yeah, he, I think he was prepping or something. And I went and watched Kim Manners, who also was a legendary old school director who did Supernatural for many years

as a producing director until he passed away. So, and then when I did my first episode of Supernatural, it was about five episodes into the first season I came in. They didn't have a producing director, but Kim had directed one, a couple episodes before me, and they loved him so much that he came on in the middle of my episode while I was filming to take over the job of producing director, producer on Supernatural, and he stayed there for, I don't know, five, six years. Wow. Okay. That's the connection. It all comes back to Cliff Bow. And the cliffs of bowl. They've named a geographical location

in Star Trek on Cliff Ball. The Cliffs of Ball, which is very funny. Guestars. Can we talk guest stars very quickly? Yes. All right. Let's talk about the Trill Guardian. That's played by Jeffrey Allen Chandler. Do you recognize him, Robbie, from a Voyager episode? He looked familiar, but I can't place it.

What was it? Yeah, it was from Eminations. My season one big hurrah episode. He's the alien that swaps with me inside of the, like I take his place inside that little coffin. he escapes to the mountains. That's Jeffrey Allen Chandler.

And believe it or not, he did Voyager first, and then he did this episode. So the Voyager episode, yes, preceded and aired before this one did. I think the Voyager episode was March, a March airing, which means we would have filmed it much earlier than March, of course, right? Yeah, months before that.

And then I think it was June, April, yeah, June that this episode of FACTS premiered. So we're talking a three-month difference. in time. But he did do Voyager before the DS9 episode. Yeah. We also have Max Gredenchik as Rom, of course. Aaron Eisenberg is Nog

and Chase Masterson as Lita in this episode. She's back for her second episode. He's back for her second episode. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. All right. So, shall we just jump right into this episode right now? Let's do. We're in a runabout. Nog is there. He's at the helm.

Clearly, this is a simulation that he's running in the holodeck, which we will learn a little bit later. But he is in the middle of a Cardassian attack. And what I find funny, Robbie, is Aaron decides to do this whole move thing, where he's moving his body. You know, it's evading one way. But the camera should turn. With him. With him. With him, right?

Come on. You should have tilted the camera. So basically, they, they, they, So he looks like he's flying. Yes. So we are tricked, too. We're with. Yes.

That would have helped. But camera, camera threw Aaron under the bus on this one. Aaron just left out to dry. Just doing his little moves. I'm like, what? So that was not on our shake tape that we were sent, by the way. We didn't see that one.

No, no. But the funny thing is. We were experts by then. Yeah, I know. We were. As he's going through this simulation, all the sudden, we do see Jake. up, Jake is standing outside of the, of the, I guess, the window. The window itself, yeah.

Yeah, and he's knocking on it. Which, by the way, do you remember on the set, like the windows of DS9 didn't have glass in them, right? Correct. And neither did Voyager. We didn't have any glass in it. And neither did our shuttles, honestly. Like, because it would reflect the lights and things like that. So when Jake comes and he knocks on the glass.

I was like, oh, they put glass in for this scene because normally it doesn't have glass there. Yeah, he had to knock on the glass. Right, right, right, right. Huh, okay. So that's a rare time that any audience number will see. Usually there's nothing there. That's correct.

Real glass, real glass. So, Nog is upset. Yes, Nog is upset that he's being interrupted by his buddy. He tells him to get out of here. He ends up ending simulation and he falls to the ground because he was sitting and that's when, And that's when Jake says, don't you know to never be seated when you end a holodeck simulation? So he gets that.

But he's trying to, the whole thing that, you know, we've learned is that he's trying to lower his reaction time so that he can get past. There's like a pre-exam that he has to take to even be considered to take the Starfleet Academy entrance exam. So he needs to pass this first step. And so he's just trying to end it down. All this simulation work has dropped it down 20%. So he's doing better, but he needs another 5% for the cutoff. Jake is totally confident in him that he will get there. Yeah.

And he's trying to get these numbers up because there's like a summer. He mentions to Jake as they walked into Quarks Cafe. Oh, right. He talks about he's going to do the summer program that he's got to get into if he wants to qualify for the academy next year or something. So there's a couple of stages. he's motivated he was also 30 minutes late

to meet Jake and that's why Jake interrupts him so that you know that's why he interrupted him yeah yeah so he's really so focused on this he's not paying attention to Jake which is saying a lot

for how important this is to Nog right because Jake's is his best Jake is his best friend so it's a big deal but they have plans to go have lunch or something I guess they're in quarks and then quark quark walks up, and Quark is really frustrated. He's mad. He says, you know, Nog might, you know, might get into the academy, but he makes a very bad stock boy. And Quark even mentions even,

even Jake's interest in writing is more profitable than being in Starfleet. And Quark offers to fund some kind of writing startup for them for a holodeck program. A salacious holodeck. Yeah. Yeah, he mentioned, what is he, let's, let's break this down. He is offering to fund them writing a hollow porn program is what they say. Yeah, he says, he says, uh, holosweet programs, especially the more intimate variety are very profitable. Yes. So yes, he's going to fund it. And Nog says absolutely not.

And quark tells rom, uh, to man, tells, tells, tells, um, tells, tells, um, demand the bar that he's been invited by Dax to some very important meeting he's got to go to. That's how that scene ends. Yeah. Dax has a meeting. What's going to happen? All right. So now we're in the corridor with Bashir and Odo. Their little walk and talk. Essentially, it's Dax who has invited the senior staff to the conference room to talk about something that's very important to Dax. So Bashir doesn't know what's going on. Odo doesn't know what's going on. They're just, they're just kind of walking and talking. But this is what the writers put in in order to explain Lita's appearance there. But she says, apparently she asked Lita to come

as well. And Odo goes, well, I've noticed they've been spending quite a bit of time together. So this, and the thing, what's so nutty is that we just met Lita within like, what, a couple episodes ago? In one scene. Like, yeah, in one scene, like a couple of episodes ago. So it hasn't been that long. So they're trying to explain this. away that Dax and Lita became such tight, tight, tight, friends. But the reality of the situation is that they were trying to get Rosalind Chow to do this part. So Rosalim was unavailable. Rosalim was unavailable. So they're like, um, quickly pivot, pivot, pivot. Chase

Masterson, let's grab. But yes, because three of your prior hosts are female. They gave one to Nana. They gave one to Armin because they thought that would add some comedic, you know, uh, levity. which it did. And the third one, they said, let's give it to Rosalind Chow. Rosalind was working on another project. She was unavailable. She said, I can't do it. And they went with Chase. Because when I was watching the episode, I'm like, what is going on here? What did Chase get promoted? I love learning this new, the behind-the-scenes stuff that you don't know when it's happening. That's so cool. But that it explains how we all went, huh? Because when we heard about Lita and saw Lita, all three of us were like, what's going on here? But now we don't happen fast. Yes, very fast. There are BFFs like that? I mean, how did that even, yeah.

Well, it worked to Chase's benefit to help build her character even more into the team. It did, it did. But the end of that corridor scene, we basically have Bashir saying, do you keep tabs on everybody? And Odo goes, not everyone, but Dr. two Delvin fluff pastries for breakfast this morning, you know better than that of all people. So we now know that Odo keeps tabs on everybody and everything. And a nice little comedic little element at the end of that scene. So that's good.

Yeah. All right. Yeah, it was nice. We go in the wardroom next where everybody's there. The gang is all there. And we learn that Dax is going to have her gendara. Yes. Jindhara.

Yes. Yes, I am. And we do see a moment, a flirty moment with Bashir and Lita right up front. Yes. So they're tracking that. Yep. They're tracking that. We learn about this genre.

Tarah ritual. It's a trill right of closure. Yeah. Lita says. She's very well read on this. And I think doesn't Bashir even mention at some point that she's, she's an amateur sociologist or something. Yes, exactly.

He's very impressed. He's very impressed. He's very impressed. Yeah. Again, trying to make the audience not go, what? Like, why is that Davo girl? Yes. Well, Dax explains the ceremony to every.

one that they're going to take on a personality of one of her hosts. And we also learned that they will be kind of aware as they have these personalities, that they can, you know, break through or whatever. The real personality can take over at any time. They're safe. If they get overwhelmed, they can have a timeout. Correct? They can all hear what's happening. They know what's happening. Okay. They're aware of it. Okay. Yeah. Before you go on it, just so you guys know, a little background info. This episode originated with Ira Stephen Bear's desire to do a version of the 1976 television movie, Sybil.

So Sybil was, it was a movie about the psychological study of a woman played by Sally Field, who because of a traumatic childhood, suffered from an extreme form of multiple personality disorder and had at least 13 distinct different personalities. And Bear thought that this would be, and, you know, an interesting approach from where we could examine Jedziah Dax in a new light. He assigned Renee Eshavaria to write the teleplay, but it was Renee who kept thinking like, okay, you know, I don't know how, because originally they weren't going to have the other people in, you know, they were going to have Terry.

They were going to have, yes, the original idea was Terry was going to do seven different voices. That would have been way more fun. It would have been way more fun for me. but the problem is you can't interact with yourself, though. You see what I'm saying? So they needed to separate you. And the minute that he suggested, hey, why don't we, you know, utilize the other series regulars and have them manifest the different hosts, and then Jedzia can talk to them, that's when

the light bulb went, and then it changed right there. So that's the thrust of the script because of that. Interesting. Yeah. But it would have been so much more fun, in my opinion. To see you do it, Terry, to see you playing all these different personalities. Wouldn't that be great? And you could have still interacted with everybody. Yeah.

Like I could, if it just affected me in some way. Right. Yeah. Right. So Dax explains how this is going to work. And everyone agrees. Everyone's in except for Quark. Cork does not want to do it.

No. And as he's trying to leave, Dax sort of grabs him on his way out and starts to rub his lobes. and whisper in his ear. Now, Armin has... You gotta do whatever to work. Clearly, right? I guess. Armin has described in the past

that his earlobes are, the lobes are almost like his erogenous zone. That's what I said. That's a pleasure center. Right? Yeah. So she basically grabbed his crotch. Yes, that's what I said.

In a way. Well, Wow. I didn't grab. rabbit. No, no. But it just, I tease his earlobes. You tease his earlobes.

But if it was on a human character, if it was Bashir who said, I'm not doing it, you essentially are rubbing his crotch through his Starfleet uniform before he leaves to make him stay. That's kind of what we're seeing. And it's like, that's what I felt. Or it could be nipples, right? It could be. Okay. Maybe not the actual.

Okay, fine. Like, maybe directly on the, okay, the hot spots. All right. So it's just you taking Bashir and rubbing his nipple going, please, Julian, stay. I mean, it's similar to that. It's a little uncomfortable. It's not fair. That's playing dirty.

I needed to manipulate him. I did. I got what I want. We understand. And he did it. And he did it. And it was very funny. Oh, my goodness.

We'll get there. We'll get there. Dax says, I really want you to be part of this. I'd hoping you would embody Audred for him. me and she says i think it'll make us much closer and he finally agrees and then when he leaves i love how cisco says correct me if i'm wrong but did quirk just agree to embody one of your female houses and they both laugh it was so cute so funny very cute um okay so next up we are in the holodeck and miles o'brien is basically helping nog out he's trying to tell him okay

This is what's going to happen with the test. And I'm going to run you through the paces here. And, you know, O'Brien, while he's standing there talking to him, he's holding a pad. And on the pad, you can see it's still written, Go Away from the episode where, yes, where you guys remember this. This is when Bashir is flirting with Lita and then Dax walks up. And the Bashir typed something in his pad and hands it to Dax, and it reads, go away. They'd never change that pad And the way he's holding it

It's turned out to camera You can read it I thought there was something written on it Honest to Pete And I didn't rewind to look at it Yeah It still says it Go away

They didn't take it They reused it But you know what It would have been smart Is someone They just grabbed it Or just turn it around Show the backside

But they just grabbed it No one thought They totally just No one even thought about I bet that happened A lot more than I was wearing a ring I was wearing a ring

A couple episodes ago Oh my God And I thought, oh, my gosh. Nobody said anything? They let that go, Terry. Wow. I'm shocked. Mm-hmm.

I kind of, when I saw it, I vaguely remembered the sick feeling in my stomach of like, I'm, I can't say anything now. By the time I realized it, it was like, shit, we've moved on to the next stage. Let's call Ira right now. Let's call Ira. Oh, my God. No way. Hey, Ira. Everybody has things like that.

Or, yeah. But didn't they just... Or that, the pad? They used to just print out like on stickers, basically, something to put on the pads. Right. That was, you know, if they needed something specific. It wasn't a real electronic device.

No, it was just a practical little piece of sticker. That's all. Yeah, it wasn't visual effects. No CGI. It was just, that's it. But they didn't change it for this scene. They clearly just gave them that. Yeah.

Whoops. The ring thing. just reminded me, Terry, when I was filming in New Mexico, I was building the railroad in the 1800s, and the Chinese railroad workers are putting in charges. Thank you. They're putting in explosive charges in these tunnels, and they had to run out. And in the scene that we're running out, Christian Kane is in the movie, is in the episode with me. He's running ahead of me.

No, I'm running ahead of him, and what happens is I forgot I had my cell phone in my wardrobe pocket. And as we're running, it flew up out of my pocket in mid-air. Okay, this is the 1800s. And Christian Kane sees it and catches it mid-air and keeps running like that. And at the end, he was like, dude, you're going to get into so much trouble with the director. There's no cell phone in 1872 or whatever you see, you know, the year it was. But he saved my ass and he caught my cell phone in mid-air. So they didn't use that take, though. That would have been really weird to see that pop up and he catches it. Yeah, they couldn't use it. No, they couldn't use it.

But the director had no idea that that had happened. He just saw a weird blur. He's like, what's going on? Because it was dark inside the cave, right? He didn't really make it out. But he said, let's just do another one just for safety. We're like, thank God. Thank you.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, almost got in trouble. Yeah, the go away. Very, very funny that I saw that there. I started laughing my butt off. I'm like, oh, my God, they forgot to. That's from a prior episode. Yeah.

Yeah. And clearly that would be no longer on the screen any longer. at this point, right? And I love the look at the end when I think Nog gives O'Brien this funky look. I don't know if you noticed that either, Robbie. It was just this, where he's trying to tell him, you got to do this, you got to do that. He's just, he gets this really weird look. I don't know exactly what it was. I think he was just totally stressed out. Is that what it was? Yeah, he was been giving a test. Yeah, he's going to test. Yeah. How do you handle stress? He had a stress test, basically.

So he was upset because it was different than all of the programming he'd been working on. So was that kind of look like, are you really doing this to me? Kind of look is what it was. I'm stressing out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good look by Aaron, though. It was bleep.

Nice little scene. And at the end, when the place shakes and the alarm goes off and Nog says, what is it? What's happening? And O'Brien says, you tell me. Dog goes to work. He's like, okay. Yeah. I thought, good teacher.

Yes, yeah. We go out to an airlock real quick. This guardian arrives from Trill. This is the guardian who's there to perform this ceremony. He does mention in the scene that they've been trying to get Dax to return to their home world for this ritual for years. And she just has never wanted to do it. And so they head off to make preparations. I was busy.

Yeah, she just said she didn't say she didn't want to. She just said, I haven't had time is what she said. Avoiding. And Cisco says you could have made the time. So there is some avoidance happening here. Okay. Yeah, she's been avoiding it a bit. All right.

So now we go to, I guess, are these, Dax's quarters? Are we in Dax's quarters? I think we're in guest quarters. Guest quarters. I think it's his quarters. Okay, his quarters. All right. Wherever they've set up for this ritual to happen,

they're in those quarters and he starts speaking would that be trill? That's got to be trill language we understand none of it except for when he says Jadzia so he'll say a bunch of stuff and we don't know and then Jadzia and then we're like

oh we know the hat and then he goes through this whole thing and it's basically he is the conduit between Dax and Kira and we see what looks like the essence of, because it's supposed to be memory implant, but we see almost like a smoky kind of energy

thing that transfers in through the guardian, through his face, and it right into Kira's body into her head, and she opens up her eyes, and guess what? She is Lila, and I do like, I almost feel like she was sort of channeling, to me, like an older woman from like a black and white movie, basically. Like a 1940s film is what I got from Menop on this one. But, yeah, it was really, for me, I enjoyed this episode a lot just to watch all the different actors do their thing as a different person, which was very exciting to see. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, it really was.

When she comes out with her 1940s movie star voice, the Guardian decides to test her on her memories to make sure that. this worked right and Lila says she remembered Kerson and he asks who supervised Lila as an initiate and she remembers it was Joe Bell yeah and so he says well this works this you know everything seems good so he takes off he leaves and and we learned that Lila's walking around with her hands behind her back Dax mentions hey I do the same thing I walk with my hands behind my back and lila explains well she started doing it when she was a politician because all the male politicians originally made fun of her because she was so animated with her gesturing and so she decided to put her hands behind her back be more formal and that's why dax does this so yeah um you know

dax is learning a little about where these things came from that there's a reason for it you know that it's not just a random quality that she has, but it comes from one of her prior hosts. And Lila says that's the point to find out who you are and why you are the way that you are. Yeah. Yeah. It's a discovery period is what it is.

All right. So next we jump over from the Lila scenes to Chief O'Brien. I have to say, the more that I watch Col Mini and the projects he, happens to act in. Most recently, I binge-watched all of Hell on Wheels and Column is all throughout that episode. What a great job. And here, this character, oh my gosh, as he's playing Tobin, he starts off by biting his nails. Dax is like, hey, I don't think that Chief O'Brien's going to be happy about you chewing or biting his nails. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And he's like,

okay, I'm a little nervous. And they go through this whole bit where he keeps apologizing. Dax is like, look, you don't have to say sorry. And he says it again. The three comedy comes in threes. Very, very funny. Dax does get a little into the nitty-gritty of geekdom, of nerdiness, and talks about Fermat's last theorem, about finishing the proof for Fermat's last theorem,

and praising him for the work that he did on there. And that Dax is actually trying to further his work to finish it off. Tobin then stops his nervousness, because now he's engaged and into what he loves. But I do love Colmini's interpretation of Tobin. It was very simple, but yet elegant. Do you remember shooting this with Colm? Terry?

Yeah, I kind of do you remember shooting this episode. Yeah. It looked like this would be a lot of fun because he was just playing such a nervous, nerdy, like so different than we've seen Column be on the show. I would imagine it was a fun little scene. I love working with him, no matter what it was. I just really enjoyed him as a person.

And yeah, he made, he just was, he didn't take it too seriously. And I think part of that quality of being relaxed, I think helps you really do a much better job. Agreed. Armin has said that Colm and Sid both would come in to work each day. having not studied their lines and that they would learn them literally on the day. Yeah, that was frustrating, though, honestly, because that was really hard. You know, I'm trying to learn my lines by myself, and I look forward to rehearsal to just get them down. Yeah.

Okay, so I'm in the get them down phase where I've got it pretty much in my head. I just need to hear it out loud. But then when that person doesn't know their lines, you're like, oh, shoot. No, now I don't, oh, I need to hear what you're saying. Scary. I mean, because it's not a film. We don't have, like, all day to shoot this one scene and see how we feel and try another shit.

We only have a little bit of time because we have eight other pages to get done. Yeah. So it's a little inconsiderate. Yeah. To you, to you. To you. For you. Because you're expecting them to be off book, right?

To help you. Or at least be where I'm at. You're almost about to get it, yeah. Yeah, because I didn't live with someone, so there's nobody there running lines with me. I would have ran lines with you on the phone. Oh, that's so nice of you. You could have asked me. I totally would have.

If I get a TV series again, I will definitely call you to ask you. I will be the line guy. I love running lines. That's one of my favorite little guilty small pleasures. I'm not surprised. Okay, fine. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh, so much already.

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Did they talk about Emmany in the conference room, though, in the first meeting, at all? I don't think so, no. I can't remember. So there's no mention of Emmany. Well, just her name, right? I mean, they did describe, I mean, she did play Emmony, but we didn't say her name, and it was frustrating to me. Okay. Because until I saw our notes here, thank you, Robbie, I was like, oh, write it down,

Eminie, from your notes. Emmony. Yeah. It's in the script. It's in the original script as well. But it's never mentioned. You're right. And the audience, when you're watching it, you don't get the script. So somebody needs to say that name. You're absolutely right. You know what else somebody else needs to do is not have the gymnastics double turn to camera so that you can see that is clearly not Chase Masterson. Because when the gymnast, the gymnast, like, tumbled, you know, did a... Oh, when she did the hands in it to a somersault? Yeah, but then she turned to camera. And we know it's not her. And I'm like, that's not... No.

Case Masterson. And if you... Honestly, I was going to ask, Chase, how the fuck did you do that? Because that hurts my back looking at that. No, that was some... Well, clearly, as the scene progressed, she's stretching in the foreground. She's doing other kind of... Right.

She does a kick. She does a high kick. She does a kick. She... I don't know why they couldn't have had Chase just do something normal. Yeah. But here's, but here's a deal. Why did you need to do a somersault?

Yeah. But if you're going to have her turn towards camera, at least have the hair match exactly. And it didn't. The hair was not like all. Yeah, that made me mad. I'm like, why is the hair? I think I was too obsessed about why aren't we saying her name? That you didn't even notice that part.

Yeah. No, they didn't say her name. That's what I was focused on. Well, Emmany's in her dialogue, she says, oh, I love this body you've given me. she says you know she can do all these gymnastics um and we learned that when she was joined that she improved it improved her concentration and now she knows cling on martial arts so eminy uh we learn uh was really into like the physical side of dax the gym well right she wasn't a cling on martial arts dax is right oh just how you said that it's a little confusing yeah no no no no

so eminy is the gymnast and so emily had the the gymnast period and now that she's joined with Dax she's experiencing the Klingon martial arts through Dax. I see I thought it was the other way well I don't think that she discusses that

no no no because she is pre-Curzon and Kerson Dats right Kerson is where Dax learned or Jazea Dax learned all of her stuff about the Klingons. I see. And then I think it was Jadzia's passion to get into the martial arts.

I don't think that Curzon was into the martial arts. I think these are ideas that helped. It's all of these elements of the different hosts, thank you, of Dax that have helped Jadzia start to become her own version. of all of these people that it all kind of gets into a melting pot and now Jad Zia is a different person than she was before she got the symbiont

because of all of their experiences. That makes more sense to me now because Eminie's saying, oh, I've learned from your later host things that I didn't know. So it's kind of like Dax is learning about where she came from and Emmony is learning about where she went to,

like what happened after. So it's kind of like this joining is kind of teaching, giving them experiences in both directions. I think if you watch the scene again, she doesn't talk about the martial arts, just Judziah does. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I don't think they have the memories of the other hosts once they're standing there.

They're in their own entity. Okay, the other stuff is gone. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, it does. Next on deck would be quark. Quark as Audred. And, okay, all right, this scene proves to me that it's not just Dustin Hoffman. Tyler Perry, that can play a woman.

It's, and Eddie Murphy, other than those, then those three actors, clearly Armand Schumerman can also play a woman quite well. I thought he did a really good job, to be honest, as Audred. He was very good. Yes. He was. Very sweet. He was very sweet.

And you could really see it. It was very palpable because he's the only character who stops in the middle of a to say, how much longer is this going to be? So, and you hear the real Armin voice at that point, the real, you know, cork voice. Cork voice. Cork voice. You see the real cork voice. You hear the real cork voice in comparison to Audrid.

And you, you see the difference, you know, the sweetness and the brash sort of. It's very funny. It was very, and it's like a talented, talented man. Yes, yes. No, he couldn't. He could. Quark was just miserable having to play Audrey. Well, it's funny because he interrupts after saying,

there's nothing like nursing a baby to your breast. And right after that story, he's like, how much longer? I don't want to hear this. He's out. He wants to get out. He wants to get out. Hilarious. We go to the next scene and we meet Tyraeus.

And we learn that Tyraeus, played by Bashir, is very reckless. We learned that he died young in an accident. Yeah. Dax says don't eat so much junk food. He's grabbing handfuls of the, of whatever those things are, the treats, which is interesting because Odo mentions Bashir's eating extra donuts and now here, Tyraeus is eating. So it's kind of connecting both of them. Like, which one is eating too much?

Bashir. But Bashir, exactly. But look at him. He needs to. He burns calories. He's like, poop. Yes, he does. Yeah.

And you know what? I think Tyraeus, I thought it was Tobin. I guess I got confused. He was a fighter pilot, I mean a test pilot. Terrius is or Tobin? Terrius. Yes. I thought it was Tobin, but I'm guessing now it has to be Tyraeus because also

Tyraeus. Yes, yes. Accident widows, we're going to see her soon in the next couple episodes coming up. Okay. And I wanted to add, though, he sounds like he's also in like a 40s movie, kind of this brash, he does. He does. But I have to say, I mean, he, now that I know that he's a test pilot, pilots are very, very confident and cocky and brash like that. So I think that I really do feel that Sid did a great job in this character.

And yes, it is a little 40 sounding. but I felt that the way Sid did Tyraeus sounds very much like what I thought Curzon was going to sound like, okay? I thought Curzon was going to be confident, brash, and not as comedic and kind of comical and sort of as a drunkard as, yeah, we haven't gotten there yet, obviously. But I'm just saying, like, in advance, I felt that this, this interpretation of Tyraeus to me. me is what I thought Odo or, yes, what I thought, Renee was going to bring his curzon. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. That makes sense? Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't, I wasn't saying the 40s thing as a criticism. I like it. I like that everybody seemed to be in different periods. Because they are from a long time ago. Yes, exactly. So they can have an affected voice. They aren't from

the same time. Yeah. No. Okay. Next. Um, bum bum. Dun, Dun-bum. Next up, we're in Odo's office. We're in the security office. Cisco shows up. He's ready to go. But Odo's not totally convinced that this is a good idea because of the fact that Geron has had a murderous past. But not a serial killer past, a murderous pass. And he says, it's okay, it's okay. We're going to have him inside of a, you know, a holding cell. He's not going to be able to hurt anybody. But Odo's like, yeah, but you will be there. He will be inside of your body, basically, his memory. So there's a little danger involved, is the way that they set this up with this scene. And then we go into the transfer with the Guardian and Dax inside the cell with Cisco.

But when his head drops down like Kira's did, when the entity took over, they kind of creep out, they turn on the force field. And that's when we hear Geron for the first time. say hello chatsia in his creepy creepy voice yes yeah he did feel like a serial killer yeah yeah too much yeah i was thinking what baba beans and yeah it was very much like that but i yeah but if this is the reshoot i want to see the daily version yeah this is this is the this is the tame version the super serial killer version is in dailies which we never got to see which I would love to see. Oh, yeah, it would be interesting.

Almost inaudible whisper of a voice, which is like, it's scary. Yeah. But if you notice, they really push the whole horror movie thing because listen to the music in the background. The music is all amped up and everything. So even I feel like everybody was on the wrong page because the correct page would have been,

watched the episode where we see Geron for the first time. You know. Yeah, this was a whole different case. This is a whole different guy. It's like, who is this guy? That guy was like, he was in the music academy. I mean, he was musical. He was a good guy to begin with.

But the minute he found out they were going to take the trill away from him, that's when he killed the doctor who was saying that he had to be, you know, whatever it was. The guy that was in charge of trill assignments, whoever he killed died because of that. It wasn't because he was trying to murder everybody. But now in this episode, clearly, Geron, it comes off. He seems like a serial killer. He's a serial killer. He's killed many, many, many, many. many, many, many, many people.

And all he cares about is violence and death. That's what we're hearing. And the music went that way, too. So that's true what it looked like. Yeah, it bothered me. He's like, oh, my God. Well, he says, he gets really creepy. He talks about how she's so pretty.

Do you remember that? Yeah, that's like all she is. That's all she is, exactly. She'll never be anything compared to the other hosts. Which is exactly the whole creepy Hannibal Lecter thing with um yes Clarissa or Clarice what was her name that Jody Foster played yeah but he was too he was

he was trying to tear her down yeah yeah in the movie yeah very similar yeah but I've lower the force field I'll help you I'll help you you know realize your potential you know teach I'll teach you about my strength which again is not this music teacher it's not the same character at all I'm surprised they didn't use him to sing a little something or... Yeah. Because he sings beautifully.

And that would have been a way to, like, lower your guard down to if he would just add a little more dimension to him. Yeah, I feel like, even if they do go with this, I feel if it began with, yeah, serial killer idea, if it began nice, you know, like a lot of serial killers are, they are serial killers, and successful ones because they're so nice and so charming and personable that their victims are unaware of what's about to happen to them, right? So I think in the beginning when the Guardian says, Odo says, if you need me, I'll be right outside.

And Geron says, it's good to see you again, Jizia. If it was just normal, it was like, it's good to see you again, Jetsia. Tell me, have you been practicing your music? You know, if it was light, if it wasn't creepy. And Dax is like, yes, when I have the time, he's like, and then his response could have been, good do you think of me when you play instead of like do you think of me when you play it's like what the what is that right it could have been very very light until the pretty part right so if he said if he said i'm glad you're a very pretty girl jenzi a very very pretty but unfortunately

that's all you are and so if it started gently into that the negative then i think i would have bought it more but it started he dove in the deep end right from the time right from the beginning from the from the hello jedzia he was already serial killer guy don't show serial killer guy in the beginning had that come out a little bit and then nail it at the end but well then he goes crazy starts banging his head against the force field trying to get out holy crap that was super upsetting yeah oh yeah and and then dax and then you were like i'm like don't you know benjamin's yeah don't hurt benjamin come out so you call for benjamin and then he tricks you he acts like Cisco for a minute and says,

oh, I think I've had enough of Geron for now. So she lowers the force field and he grabs her by the throat. Yeah, it's still dry. And Dax has to give him some Klingon martial arts. Yeah. Yeah. I got pretty quick. I got busy. I got busy.

I knocked him out. What did you think of this double? Fail, another fail and stunt double. Another fail. Not on, not on Jidzee a Dax stunt double, but definitely on Cisco. Because this guy How tall is Avery Brooks, would you say? Six feet, six, one, six, one, six, yeah.

This stunt double dude was like five, six, five, five seven, okay, so the stunt double. It looked like he was about 18 years old. Yes, so it was that me in all of it? It looked like there was somebody else a couple of times. Yeah, yeah. You had a stunt double as well. Both of you had stunt doubles. I mean, it doesn't always happen.

So it's weird because you could see her face then. Right. Just like they showed the face of the stunt double for Lita, right? They showed the face of the other one. It was far enough way. I thought it was a pretty good sell, though. Yeah. It was okay on your side. It was fine. It was okay. But the match was okay, but the Avery match was hard. But Terry, you're also taller than your stunt double. So my feeling is the stunt double in this shot, because you're, what are you, 510 or 11? What are you exactly? Six feet. Sorry, so you're six feet. Excuse me. Your stunt double, your stunt double is 5.9. Okay, Avery's stunt double was five, six. That's what was going on.

It was like both were shorter. Oh, yes. That must have been like they couldn't get our people because that's a Dennis thing. Because our stand-ins were our height and we could have. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, your stand-ins are going to be the same height, right? Yeah, the stand-ins would be the same height, but the doubles were totally off. And Robbie was right.

Even though I'm seeing the back of this Avery Brooks stunt double, he clearly looks like that he could be Avery's nephew. Okay, I mean, this is like a young, young dude. Young kid. Young kid. Yeah. Did a good job in fighting, but again, not believable in terms of stunts. Yeah.

And matching. And matching. Yes. Yeah. But she throws. It pulls you out. It does. Yeah, it does.

But she throws Cisco down on the floor with her martial arts moves. And Cisco finally snaps out of it. And he says, thanks for not breaking my bones. I like that. That was sweet. Nice little button there. See how nice I am. You were very nice.

But the end scene was weird, too, the button on it, because Jadzia is very, like, laughing it off almost too casually. It was almost like, after all that craziness, there's, I feel like Cliff could have said like, okay, you got to, you got to step back. Like, you just went through hell. You should be like shocked. But it was almost like, oh, it was almost sitcom. It was like, oh, it's funny. Let's go. Let's move on the next scene.

It went so deep. It went so serial killer that it felt like, yeah, it's hard to jump out of that. It's hard to get out of that, right? Well, we go to Quarks next. And I love corks at the working at the bar. And we see Ron popping his head out from behind a column or something. Oh, it was so cute. He just pops his head out looking up at the hollow suites.

We don't see it for the longest time either. It's like the scene going on. And then suddenly. It's very funny. Yeah. The frame. He's very, he's very anxious about Nog's tests up in the hollow suites.

He does show Quark that he bought him a uniform, a Starfleet uniform. And Quark says, well, that's a waste. He'll get one of those if he gets in. He didn't just buy it. It was made to order by Garrick, which is even more expensive. That's right. Yeah. Five strips of latinum at cost them.

It's a lot. Wow. Yes. So, Rom is clearly supporting Nog in this. Very proud of him, very excited. Quark is not. Quark does not like this at all. This is not important, but it's going to drive me insane.

Yes. Do you guys know how much a strip of latinum would be to us? No. Value-wise, you mean? No. Yeah. What is it? Do you know the answer to this?

I do not. I'm actually asking because I'm thinking, we talk about Latin. I'm like, wow, it's a lot. But how did Rom get five pieces of it if it's so much money and he's just a waiter? He's more than a waiter. He's the manager kind of thing, right? Isn't he? Yeah.

A bar of latinum is a lot, but a strip. So I'm looking at, I'm looking at a bar of latinum is worth. 200 credits. One strip of latinum is worth 10 credits and a slip of latinum with an S-L-I-P is worth one-tenth of a credit. So he spent 50 credits then on the on the yes okay 10 does it say what 50 credits would be for us? Oh no it just kind of oh I hate it when they get that close but it's like a strip of latinum would equal $50 someone says they think oh okay so Okay, okay. What did he say?

Live strips? Yeah, so it's $250 is what he paid for that. That makes sense. Yeah, for a custom-made, you know, something. Okay. Back in 1990. That's still, yeah. In 95, that's a lot, right?

So can you do the equivalent of what is $250 in 1990? In 1995? If you bought an Armani suit at that time, it would be about $1,500,000. So maybe the Latinam's worth more. $250? Maybe. $250 in $250.95 is worth $524.60 today. Okay, that's, again, that's a lot.

Well, we go to the upper level of the promenade now, and we see Dax and Cisco up there. Cisco asks if Dax had avoided her ceremony because she thought that she wouldn't measure up. He's kind of got, he's got some insight into her at this point. And she says, well, maybe. Dax wonders, you know, always wondered why Curzon kicked her out. washed her out of the initiate program. She always thought it was to make her work harder, but now she's doubting herself.

She's not sure. Maybe Curzon did not believe in her. But Sisko's pushing her to, you know, to face Curzon and ask him the question, basically. She has a chance to now, which is great. You got a chance. We go back to the guest quarters, and now it's Odo's turn, that the Guardian is there, and as the ritual continues, we see the essence of Curzon leave Dax go through the Guardian

and end up in Odo. When it does end up in Odo, now things start changing. Odo's hair changes. He gets the spots on the side. He's basically a cross between Odo and Curzon is what he is, which is very interesting to see this. It was a cool transformation, I thought. Yeah, it's a cool idea because he's a shape shifter.

Yeah. His head got wider. His head was literally wider. Yeah, yeah. So all these changes are happening. Yeah, so we're back in Cisco's quarters now, and Odo is half Curzon, half Odo. And he thinks maybe it's his shapeshifter body. Maybe that's why this happened.

But his personality is very different than Odo. He's smiling. He's kind of, you know, very talkative. Gargarious. Gragiarious, yes. And Odo's in Cisco's quarters, Jake is there as well. Then Odo starts asking, or Curzoto. Curzoto.

I love that. It sounds like a dessert. Can I have another helping Chris. Sounds delicious. Yes. Yum. But Curzoto asks about Cassidy Yates to Cisco. And Jake thinks that's very funny and he's very friendly, very upbeat and talky.

And then he starts to ask Cisco about another woman that Benjamin had known in the past. And that's when Cisco grabs him and drags him out. It doesn't want to get into this in front of his son. So it was very funny. No. And Curzon is drinking right away. he starts wearing himself a drink and yeah let me read this little background bit here for both of you neither rene escherrera nor ira stephen bear was overly happy with how curzon came across in this

episode according to eshavaria quote if i had to do it over again i would have been more careful about his character he was almost always drinking or talking about drinking and quote Bear for his part says, quote, the way Curzon came across was by no means the way I saw the character. I saw him as kind of a bon vivant. Instead, he was like Shecky Curzon, a wacky funny guy. So, you know. I thought he would be more elegant too. Yeah. Also, by remembering the man who played him early for season, I thought he was like a gentleman and if like more like Hemingway in that kind of like a man's man like he would go on safari kind of man. A renaissance man or a jack of all trade. Somebody who knows a little bit of everything has some class and elegance,

right? And that's he's not the most interesting man of the world in this episode. He's definitely a little, to me, it seemed like he was drunk for a lot of the time. He was drunk a lot of it, not into it, yeah. But he was a big diplomat, too, who helped ease situations. He was the guy who came in and got the two countries to talk to each other kind of person. Yeah. So the whole fact that Odo is the only one who's combined with the host with Curzon, right? So we're sorry, Curzoto or

what do we say? What was the other one? What was the other one? Odds. Odzon. Odzon. Odz on or Curzoto. I like Curzoto.

So he's the only one that's melded together, which immediately gave me shades of two vicks, Robbie. I mean, I felt, oh, yeah. These are two characters that are completely merged and they want to stay together. They don't want to be separated. And similar storyline here, later we learn. He doesn't want to be separated.

But I thought about that initially. But I just wanted to read to both of you very quickly about how... But remind me of this happened first. What? That's true. Maybe they got the two-fix idea from this. Maybe it's very possible. So to achieve Odo's new look after he embodies Curzon,

Michael Westmore, got a photograph of actor Frank Owen Smith, who's already been established. as Curzon before, we saw that, and he basically digitally morphed Frank's face onto the Odo makeup. And so that's what we have. Oh, interesting. Yes, the actual actor playing Curzon, who maybe we saw for what, Terry, like five seconds. We didn't see very long, very long. Yeah, very quick.

But they took his face and just morphed it onto Odo's face, and that's what we have. And then the true spots. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. Very cool. Next, we're in quarks. Yes, Curzon and Cisco are sitting at the bar. Odo leans over. I love when he leans over grabs quark by the ears, basically.

Everybody's grabbing his ears and pulls him forward and kisses him on the head. So very different than the Odo we've seen. Quark is in shock. I love Armin's performance in this whole sequence. He's just constantly like, what the hell is happening? Oh yeah But Dax arrives And I love this moment

Where Curzon decides to switch his clothes Because he's a shapeshifter So he's changed clothes I must have looked at that Viz effect three or four times I kept going back because I was like That was good How did it?

Wasn't it seamless? For seamless I'm sorry for 1995 That was amazing It was so good It was great Very cool effect But, you know, it's interesting, didn't he say in a prior scene, I'm going to mess with that little toad?

He says something like that before they go to Corks Bar. He says, I'm going to do that. But yet, looking back at the script, I don't see that line anywhere. I was like, where did that line go? Maybe he got re- Maybe he ad-libbed. Maybe because of this drunk character he's playing. Maybe there was a script change that she didn't see.

Yeah, that never got into this version. It could have been. But you guys remember that, right? He says, I have something. something for this toad, because I thought he was going to pick on cork. But instead, he did the exact opposite. He grabs him, like what you said, Robbie, he grabbed him by the ears and kisses him and complements him. He says, you're a magnificent scoundrel. And he orders two tronias. He says, two tronias, please, very cold. Trania has been established before in the original series.

In the original series, Baylock orders a Tranya or give somebody a Trania. So Trania is already in Star Trek from the episode Corbamite maneuver. That's where it appears. Interesting. Yeah, it's a little trivia for you. I also liked that they connected these stories in this scene because Cisco, when he leaves, he says, you know, I need to go finish evaluating Nog's test results.

Yes, yes. He's waiting to hear how he did. And he leaves. But I like that they kind of connected them, that it didn't feel like totally separate storylines. Yeah. There's another scene later where as we open in quirks, You're seeing Kira and Avery, or Kira and Cisco and Jake all at a table.

And as you're moving, and I thought, I really like it when it's, when the series regulars are also background players sometimes so that you're feeling like you're really in the world. Yeah. Yeah. That was in a. It fills it all out. That was the beginning of this corks scene, right? They start on the darts with O'Brien and Sid and they kind of pan over. Yeah, they do the same thing.

Yeah. Only there's a scene later where there is no dialogue between, we don't hear the dialogue between Cisco. And Kira. That's where they're waiting for Nog to come in and celebrate. Yes. Yes. But it's nice when they open.

Yeah. They were literally just background players. Oh, yeah. Well, Dax wants to ask hers on something. Clearly, it's important. We kind of have an idea of what she wants to talk to him about. But then Kursoto sees a Ferengi Tongo hustler off in the corner. Oh, my goodness.

And he's got to go clean him out. So Dax does not get to ask her. No. No. Dax is like, my one question. Like she tries so hard to get that question out. It's not happening. He's an avoidance.

Totally. He knows what he's doing, though. I think he really knows what he's doing. Yes, he does. And he also knows how to play tango. because he kicks the poop out of all those fringi that are sitting there at that Tango game. Where do you think I learned how to play so well?

From him. And that's already been established. So I love the tracking there because we've already talked about Dax, Dax knowing how to play Tango so well from Curzon. So very good, very good. Yeah, we see that we see a little time cut and we see that it's late,

that the bar is shut down, but this game is still going on in the background. And then the camera moves forward to see Nog and Rom talking. and Nag can't believe he didn't get in. He didn't pass the test. Pass that test. How could he have failed?

It just, it doesn't make sense to him. And Quark is very gentle with him, very understanding, unusually so, because Rom clocks it. Rom, you see, Rom, wait a minute, right, working so nice. Because Quark's like, it's, you know, it's not fair. Starfleet has no idea what they're passing up. Yeah. You would have made a good officer, but. this place will always be here for you.

And Rom's very suspicious. Rom knows his brother. He knows what his brother is up to something. And we see it on his face for sure. Okay. We are now in the security office. And Odo is now pouring another drink. Another drink.

Curzotos starts by saying, I confiscated this from a Uridian smuggler. And Dax immediately says, don't you need that for evidence? He's like, eh, and he starts pouring it out to drink. And it's like, what police officer would grab something from evidence and use it for themselves? Nobody, unless you're a dirty cop, right?

So he's kind of like, I don't know, he's on the edge here. We don't know what's going on. But, oh, where is this? Well, this is where Dax finally asks Kerson the question. Oh, yes, that's right. She finally says, you know, did you not believe I was going to? good enough? Did you think I just wasn't smart enough or good enough to be a host? And he says, you know, I felt sorry for you. And she says, well, now she's going to feel like when you

return inside of me that if you didn't believe in me, I'm not going to believe in myself. You're part of me. I feel like I don't have your respect. Yeah. Well, he says, I'm not going to go back in, you know, I'm not going to return to your body because I don't know, I both want to stay right where we are. Yeah. Surprise. Surprise. Kids of Tuvix.

Yeah. But he's drunk already at this point because he's already had drinks in the bar and now he's drinking again here. So he's got a big buzz going on. And just this whole, that whole line when he says like, he says like, yeah,

but you made a host. That's all that count. You became a host. That's, that's all that matters. Right? And she's like, no,

it's not all that matters. But he's definitely avoiding. And like, Terry said before, I do believe he knows exactly what's happening through this whole all of this. He keeps pushing it off. And this whole episode to me is an opportunity to really do some like Dax therapy for her to look at those inner parts of herself deeply and realize who she is and either accept the things that are part of her or know what's part of her and know what she's got to do moving forward but i feel like we we still this far into the episode haven't gotten a lot of that it's

a little bit with curs on right i feel like it's a missed opportunity and maybe i'm showing my hand of my thoughts about the episode but yeah it just feels like a missed opportunity like we're i agree i feel like what we've learned so far is stuff we've already know about dads yeah and and that's what feels like a missed opportunity i don't think anything up to this point has has led to some really big aha moment or I kind of feel like what's the point of this this whole ceremony and exercise if it's just to find out that's I got putting my hands behind my head behind my back that person and Klingon martial arts from a gymnast I mean these are kind of vague and super very surface yeah not important and I

I guess that's why my analogy of, like, therapy. Like, this feels like she's literally in a sci-fi way unpacking these parts of herself to know herself better, but we're not really getting to know her. But what are we on? We're not unpacking anything. This is a candy therapist, a therapist that you go to to just hear yourself talk. La, la, la, la, la. This is what I did this week.

See you next week. Yeah. And my good girl, did I stay on track? Yeah. That's not real therapy. That's just, I'm lonely and I wouldn't need someone to talk to. Yeah. Yeah, I felt bad for you as an actor, to be honest in this.

Because when I first saw the, you know, the description of this episode, I'm like, oh, wow, this is going to be. I'm so excited for Terry. I'm so excited for this story. And then as it unfolded, I was just like, that's all? Like, I feel bad for you. This could have been such a great opportunity. and it really felt like a missed opportunity. Well, yeah, I mean, but there are some answers that we get.

There are some break. We do get one answer very late in the episode. And it doesn't even feel like if that's the big aha moment, and we're getting there soon. But if that's the big aha moment, then they should have set you up, Terry, to be struggling with something that this would answer in a bigger way. And it feels that way. They didn't give you the sense. set up to have this mean something. Well, but maybe that's because the big aha moment happened as an afterthought.

And they were like, oh, let's squeeze this scene in. And then there was no way to prep up to that, right? They'd already filmed on that stuff. Maybe. Maybe. All right. We're in the commander's office and we have, it's basically Cisco with the guardian, the Trill Guardian and Dax.

And the Trill Guardian informs everybody, guess what? There has to be cooperation from Odo. Odo has to give up these memories for Curzon to go back into those memories that go back into Dax. They didn't mention that in the fine print when they first told everybody. I don't remember that. No, we did not talk about that in the war room. No.

Nope. No, we did not. Yeah. It's complication. But this is the only juicy tidbit. Right. And I really feel like it would have been nice if they, maybe not with all of them, But one or two other hosts surprise us with, wow, I didn't know that about me.

To build up to, holy shitburgers. Yes. Yeah. And shit burgers are bad. Nobody wants a shit burger. Yeah. They do not taste good. They do not.

Cisco asks, well, what's going to happen to Jedziah if we cannot persuade Odo to release Curzon's memories? And the Guardian says, well, it's just going to. to take some time to adjust to this new balance, but she'll be okay. Sisco then offers to talk to Curzon, saying that he knows Curzon quite well, maybe would be able to get him to cooperate. And Dex says, nah, I don't want to do anything. So Dex is now kind of a little bit shell-shocked and depressed. Yeah, she's closing off right now. Well, I think she's also not only depressed because of those things, but now she feels like, I'm here because someone felt so. sorry for me and they think I'm pretty.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Oh, my gosh. I don't even have any. It's very existential. You're thinking like, what does my life have any meaning at this point, right? So there's a lot of issues going through her head. But Cisco kind of asked to speak to Dax alone. The Tril Guardian agrees and leaves. And he gives her a bit of a, yes, he gives her a bit of a pep talk. He says like, look, let me just tell you about Curzon. I was friends with him. He was my confidant. He taught. He was my teacher, but he was also manipulative. He was selfish. He was arrogant. And a lot of things he gets away with because of his charm, because of his personality. But there was every now and then that I would have to, you know, stand up to him because he'd pushed me too far. So he, in essence, Cisco is trying to prep Dax to also confront and stand up to Curzon. Absolutely what he's doing.

We're in the corridor next, and corks walking down the corridor, you know, no problems in the world. It seemed do, do, do, do. And all of a sudden, Rahm grabs him and knows that he rigged the Hollisweed. I love this scene. It's very simply shot, but Rom going up to him, nose to nose, and then the tracking shot as he pushed him cork back and back and back up against the wall. Yeah. I thought it was great. Ram puts his foot down.

He does. And he says, I told Cisco what you did, and Nog is going to retest. And if you do anything to mess that up, then I will burn the bar to the ground. And he means it, too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He says, my son's happiness is more important to me than anything, even Latinum. Remember that brother and such an ending that scene.

Great dad. Oh, my God. Yeah, I want to read a little. I'm going to read a little thing about from Max. Max Gredenchik sees Fassets as an important episode for Rom commenting. In the next to last episode of season three, facets, Ajad Zia Dax episode, the B story was about Nog taking a pre-entry exam towards his entry into Starfleet Academy. Quark sabotages the test.

Rom finds out, he waits for cork to come down a corridor, throws him up against the wall and says, if you ever do anything to hurt my son again, I will burn the bar to the ground. That was a turning point, both for the character and myself. Rom begins to stand up to his brother, here standing up for Nog, and later on, standing up for himself. It was at the end of season three, and I think it helped me begin to accept the possibility that the writers were trying to do something a little special with Rom. Maybe a little bit of a, they like me, they really like me moment. By the way, the first take went very well, so we didn't do another. But I was really hoping I could throw Armine against the wall again.

That's funny. Who could blame him? But if you notice, he actually grabs Armin and he doesn't throw him against the wall. So I feel like maybe there was another take because he says there was the first take. Or maybe he confused in his head because he kind of grabs him, but there's no actual throwing against the wall. But still very funny quote from Max. All right. So next scene is in Odo's quarters.

Dax tells Curzon that she wants her memories back. And I am pumped from my talk with Cisco, giving me some confidence. Yeah. Yeah. Kruzot holds you a little girl. How did you feel about that? Not well. No.

No. It was kind of, honestly, there was the element of how that was how I was being treated by some of the higher-ups feeling like my head was being padded. You're just a pretty girl. You were a model. You would, you know, we don't really respect you because you don't have a lot to offer. You're just a pretty face. Well, he says, don't. He says, in the script, he says, don't use that tone of voice with me, little girl.

Yeah. Oh, condescending. He's also drunk as a skunk right now, right? Isn't he super drunk at this point? Well, he wasn't playing it drunk. But he had a lot to drink. He had a lot to drink part, he did, sort of when he was like, it's really nice to be fluid and everything. I'm like, wow, you're really going to drunk. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah. So I was just

oozing around the room is what he starts with. So, and the way he's sort of, he's propping himself up on the, whatever that museum piece was, you know, that he, in the room. So I felt like he was so drunk, he couldn't even stand up straight is what I, what I took from it. But maybe not. Oh, right. Maybe that is it. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, maybe that's part of it. It just felt so kind of, um, flippant. Flippant. But, but, but when you And taking advantage of my situation. You're just enjoying yourself and I've lost a part of myself. Right.

But don't you agree, though, Terry? When people are super drunk, they start talking like that. They're like, don't you say that? Use that tone of voice with me, little girl. It was that kind of a delivery, I felt. I love that Dax stands up for herself, though. And she literally says, you don't intimidate me anymore. You don't intimidate me.

I'm not a little girl. And this is when Curzon. says you know you're not the truth is you weren't a little girl back then you were a brilliant and beautiful young woman very beautiful and then dax puts it together wait a minute you're in love with me so suddenly this all comes out that he admits that he was in love with her that he kicked her out because he was her supervisor didn't know how to deal with his feelings but he was very relieved when she reapplied because he felt so guilty and such shame about it. And he says, you know, it's best that I stay in Odo's body and don't go, you know, I still love you and I should, I belong in

Odo's body. And when we get to the end of the scene, she says, no, we belong joined and we should be together the way we, you know, the right way through Dax. It's interesting, it's so interesting because he says, because Dax says there's no shame in that, Curzon. And he says, yes, there is. And if we rejoined, you'd feel it too. So he's almost like, you know, he's embarrassed. He's embarrassed and he doesn't want her to feel the shame that he's feeling. So he's like, I'm not going to go back into a body.

That's why he's like, I'll stay in Odo. That's fine. I'll be Curzoto forever to avoid that. But you're so smart though, Dax. I mean, you're so smart. Your character is so smart in saying, no, I love you. but us to you coming back into me we are then together the way you want you know which is brilliant writing i think i like that yeah it was really good

coming to that conclusion that way some some resolution i guess with like yes oh my god 100 she needed that she's been holding on to this for a long time she needed it feeling like it was her problem with her for a long time for yes well he's been playing a game with her for the entire episode. He won't even like own up to it. And it goes back further than that, right? It goes back further than that. Yes, yes, yes. Well, we go to Quarks next and the whole gang is there. This is where the, all our principles were background just for. Yes, this is what I was talking about. I'm sorry, I jumped, but I really love this when everybody's in the bar. Everybody's in the bar waiting. Rom steps in first. He introduces Starfleet's future. It is Nog who has passed the test.

Knaug comes in in the uniform that Rahm had made for him And I love this cutaway to Miles where he's playing darts And he says, oh, I just realized that if when he graduates from Starfleet I'm going to have to call Nog sir I love that too Such a great throwaway line Love it so sweet So funny

And Nog goes up to the bar with Quark And he orders a root beer And Quirk Quark's response is, well, this is the end of Ferengi civilization. As we know. A root beer. Yeah. Final scene is still at Quarks and Odo arrives and finds Dax asked to join her.

Odo apologizes and Dax shares that now she understands, you know, what a changeling feels, what Odo feels as a changeling, as a shapeshifter. Yeah. And Odo says, he now understands what humanoids feel, you know, that they've had this, literally had this experience physically because of the symbionts and the hosts, I guess, the host, you know, feelings and experiences. So they both have this deeper understanding of each other, which is a big gift. Yeah.

That's a great gift. And what brings us joy. It was a big thing about the joy that it brings. Yeah. I do think that it's nice to bring. bring the story back to series regulars and not anybody playing a character, you know, Dax has all her parts back in, her therapy session's over, she's got all her parts back, but she's got some, some resolution with it all and some, and she's grown a bit from it.

She feels things that she, and understands things she didn't, and so does Odo. So it's nice that it's the real characters, kind of like Tuvich. Yeah. Kind of like Tuvix, kind of, you know, back to Neelix and Tuvok and not. Not ending with, not to open a Voyager can of worms, but that's a very controversial episode. And I like the fact that it's back to our regulars at the end of that story. Same as this. Yeah.

Okay. In the situation, I think it's important to go back to the beginning again. And certainly the most important character or the character that we got the most information that was new and helped Dax was through Curzon Odo. Mm-hmm. Croz-O-Cerz-O-Cerz-O-O-Z-O-Z-O-Z-O-Z-O-Z-W-Z-W-T-W-E. What is your lesson for this episode, Robbie? My lesson is the old saying, sometimes you have to walk in someone else's shoes to know who they truly are. That's the lesson I got.

Okay. Literally, they had to take on the personalities, walk in their shoes. to really experience it. All right. Yeah. Ditto. Terry, same thing. Yeah. Same zies.

Well, yeah, those that walk a mile in my shoes. Yeah. All right. I guess we'll all agree to have Robbie's lesson then. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay.

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