The Delta Flyers - If Wishes Were Horses

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode is, If Wishes Were Horses, hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.If Wishes Were Horses: The crew investigate readings of unusually high thoron emissions coming from the plasma field in their area of space. We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Janet K Harlow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Vikki Williams, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, & Jan HanfordOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Chris Knapp, Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas,  Matthew Gravens, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Mary Jac Greer, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Tom Paynter, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Steven Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu,, Stephanie Lee, Lisa Hill, David Smith, Stacy Davis, & Sam MikelicAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Meredith Hudes-Lowder, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Samantha Hunter, Jamason Isenburg, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Ryan Benoit, John Richardson, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Ryan Tomei-Sigurðarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Jennifer Vaughn, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Rik Moran, Constance, Loretta Reyes, Jeremy McWilliams, & Timothy McMichensThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Dax Cork, Tom and Harry. Your hosts for today are my fellow Trek actors, Robert Duncan McNeil, and Garrett Wong, and of course myself, Terry Farrell. For the complete and amazing version of this podcast, check out patreon.com. slash the Delta Flyers and sign up. Sign up and become a patron today. Yeah. Rodney and I feel like proud parents. We really do. Oh my God. We've never had anyone do the intro before. You are the first. He's the first other than us in over three years. Thank you. Thank you. You nailed it. Yeah, we liked it. That's like being the first girl in GQ. You got, yeah, pretty much.

Were you? Yeah, I was on a cover of GQ. Yes. Oh, I thought you were joking. You're being serious. I know, me too. And then Julia Roberts was on. They had my profile on, but then they had her like, like full on.

Different covers. You were the first. Different covers. Yeah. Oh, I see. That's very cool. Well, how did you wing that? I mean, I don't.

How did I wing it? No, they just liked me. I worked with them a lot. I worked with them a lot in the 80s. And we just got along really well. And I love, you know, adventurous stuff. So, I mean, I got hypothermia working for GQ in the Arctic. That was the first fashion shoot in the Arctic.

Wow. We were five miles from the Arctic Circle. It was pretty cool. You know what's crazy if I can find them. I used to subscribe to GQ in the 80s when I was young, hoping that I would at some point. Yeah, when I was a teenager, I was like, at some point, I'm going to have enough money. I'll have my own job and I can buy really cool clothes and watches. But I must have seen your image multiple times then.

If you worked with them, right? Oh, yeah. Well, you would have probably seen me on commercials and stuff that you didn't even think about. There were times when I was on more than one cover a month. Wow. And I remember living in New York, those newsstands on every corner had so many magazines. So I bet you walked by and you were like, that magazineed that there I am and there I am. Wow.

And sometimes they give them to me for free, my neighborhood ones. I lived on 60 second and first. So I'd have to go by Bloomingdale's to go home from the subway. You'd have to buy something, of course. You can't not go into Bloomingy's. Well, no, I was 17 when I started. So I couldn't really afford Bloomingys. I could barely afford the apartment I was in.

Oh, my goodness. Like I told you guys, you don't make money doing covers. That's sort of like they, the good thing about doing covers is then they want you to do advertising. because people get used to your face. So they trust that, you know, if you're selling it, people feel comfortable. People will be familiar with you.

They've seen your face. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Do you remember at Bloomingdale's when you said that you live near there? There was a, it was like a muffin shop, but they only sold the tops of the muffins. Yeah, that was like a big thing. Wasn't it in the 80s? Yeah. That's the best part.

That is the best part of the muffin. When you walked by and they had the bakery in. And it was basically attached to Bloomingdale. To Bloomingdale's, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And you'd get the muffin tops and they'd throw the rest away, but they were so good. Oh, my gosh. But that is the best part.

Yeah, and you know what you're thinking, oh, I'm eating a brand muffin that's so good for me. And when you learn how fattening they are, it was like tragic. Same with like frozen yogurt. Remember how frozen yogurt was like a big thing? Big deal. And then you put granola on it. Oh, see, that's healthy for you. Right.

That makes sense. You've had your daily caloric intake in one serving. 800 calories of healthy yoghens of calories. Let's talk about a birthday for a second. We've got one birthday. Yes, right now it's for Chris Knapp. Chris Knapp's birthday is on March 24th. Happy birthday, Chris Knapp.

Happy birthday, Chris. Wow, happy birthday, Chris. Oh, my sister's birthday is on March 3rd. Oh, my sister, Chris. And my Aunt Jan, her birthday's on March 28th. So I've got two families. Look at the March. A bunch of marches.

Yeah. Before I get into my poem. Yeah. Full disclosure. I'm going to just put it all out on the table. This was not my favorite episode. However, Terry Farrell playing both of those roles was amazing. was amazing.

That was incredible. That was the highlight of this episode for me. The only highlight for me. The only highlight. But you were incredible, Terry. Thank you. When I was watching this and Megan was next to me, immediately she said,

Robbie will not like this episode. She said it immediately. She knew it. She knows your sensibilities. Well, it was so inconsistent with the rules of, is it imagination? What's imagination? How does imagination work?

Sometimes it's, It's real with consequences. Sometimes it just comes and disappears. It just didn't make any sense. Okay. So here's my limerick. Here we go. Is there a problem in the holodex subroutine?

Dax is acting like a love sick teen. Odo chases some bird. This episode is a turd. To quote, Kira, what the hell does it mean? Wow. You got critical in your limerick? Holy moly. I loved it.

Great limerick. Mike drop. Okay. Yeah. This one didn't do it for me. But, you know, there's parts and pieces and details that were great. And like I said, Terry, it's my favorite performance of yours so far in the series. It was just too bad.

It was embedded in a turd. Wow. Embedded in a turd. Well, I'm going to first off name this episode since we haven't even said the name of this episode. If wishes were horses is the name of this episode. So my haiku. for if wishes were horses. Thoron emissions.

Imaginations run wild. Dax, smooch is Bashir. I don't know why I said it that way. I did not plan on saying that smoochishish before I read it, but I just didn't just from now. But it sounded like an eight-year-old. I liked it. Guest stars Rosalind Chow, Gianni Young. How many times in Star Trek?

Do you have two Asian guest stars? probably never is my guest not often okay not often yes right Michael John Anderson and of course I didn't know Molly but she's not listed as a guest star Hannah Hatay is listed as a co-star at the end credits which is a little shocking but I guess maybe her agent wasn't as powerful as they could have been she should have been listed at the beginning I think so too is Robbie isn't she part Asian she is yes well the And that's three actors. That's three.

Oh, three. That's right. And she is, oh, she's so yummy. She's super cute. It's ridiculous. I don't even know how old was she when she filmed this. She's probably like six or seven. She's a very nice person, real smart lady.

She is. I've met her since as an adult, and she's actually super cool and really fun to interact with. Yeah, I really like her. Tell play. Nell and William was Amper Sand. And then Michael Pillar got the. regular and that would make sense actually michael was michael was running the show he would have his own yeah he was the head writer at that point yeah maybe maybe they were writing team uh the stories

by nell crawford and william l crawford and directed by robert legato i don't know special effects man he was yes and that's how i remember when you were talking about the twins what episode was that and i said oh yeah the twin mirroar and twins because i got to play myself and crossed screen, right? So I got to be in that position of playing the twin, basically, of myself. And Robert was there. And it was the same special effects. Wow.

Yeah, I'm looking at his credits right now. Yeah, he did. He was a visual effects guy. And Dan Curry came in because of him. They had some kind of, you know, friendship. So Dan Curry was brought in on Robert Legato's recommendation. I did not know that. Because I don't think we ever worked with, I mean, with Robert.

Did we, Garrett? I don't ever remember meeting it. Original air date was May 17th, 1993. This was near the end of the season because May is usually May sweeps. That's where they keep an eye on the ratings. So it's an important episode, yeah. Yeah, so this would be an important one. Okay, so we start off in Quarks with this long oner.

I was very impressed. It's very bold. What happens in it is Quark tells Odo that he should relax and just stop working all the time, maybe use one of Cork's hollow suites have a little fun. Odo thinks fantasies are a waste of time and people should appreciate what they really have. And then we see Jake going to play baseball in a suite. All of this conversation, by the way, continues in one shot. Yes.

Jake is going to play baseball. Odo gets concerned that maybe he's going to use the fantasy suite. And Cork says, no, no, of course not. Family Entertainment is the future. Get your mind out of the gutter. Exactly. Well, Odo says, are you going to switch it all to family entertainment? And he's like, no, no, no, no.

I'm expanding. I'm keeping the sexual fantasy ones and adding the family, family hall of sweets as well. Yes. But I was very impressed out as a game, this director who I didn't know, doing a wonder like this and staging it in a way, you know, Odo was in the foreground at the bar. and Quark was kind of moving around, coming close, and then walking back and doing some things,

and then Quark comes around, it hands off to Jake. It was beautifully staged and very bold. Yeah. I like it when they open with the two of them as well. Yeah. Because they're both so funny together. Yeah, their energy is very fun. Yeah.

It's very cute. Next, we go to a corner of a quarks, and we see Bashir sitting with Dax, flirting hard he is flirting very hard yeah but dax kind of calls him out kind of how terry calls us out on this podcast she calls him out and says like well really you really you've you've been thinking about me all the time and all this stuff and well what about this girl and what about that lady and what about this person i mean it's over and over again she calls him out which is wonderful puts him in the friend zone yeah puts him in the friend zone yeah that's funny because uh one

our Patreon Zooms recently, somebody brought that up. They said, you know, Bashir is more of a womanizer than anybody on Voyager than Tom Paris. Yeah. I was like, really? What I find interesting watching it back, I was, I wasn't paying attention to that so much as his being young for Dax, right? Yeah. But seeing this now back, it's like, ugh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because he's professing this love, but he's still going out and flirting with every girl. He's so lost and all over the place. And I was so busy worrying about my own stuff. I didn't even notice how lost and all over the place he was.

Yeah. Yeah. It definitely seems like as a character, his work is as a doctor, but all of his free time is as a skirt chaser, as a flirt. He doesn't care about anything else. Other people read, other people do sports, but Bashir, it's all about the conquest or the chase. That's what it is. It's the chase of the women more than anything else, I think. I also love Terry how when he's leaving, you turn back and you tell them to take a high-pitched Sonic shower.

And even better, after she's gone, Bashir's like, oh, I tried that. He's what he says. He's like, I did try that. It was funny. It was funny. He used it for all of these women. None of them have ever fallen for it. He needs to go to Skirt Chasers Anonymous is what he needs.

He needs some help. Yes. Yeah. I think that's great. called being a sex addict. Yes. Terry, I have a question for you. So as you leave the Bashir scene, you had your hands behind your back.

And I thought, oh, that's kind of a formal walk. And then you walked into ops with your hands behind your back as well. And I thought that is smart that you, the continuity of I left like this, I'm coming in like this. Did you think, was that intentional or was that just an accident? Actually, I made it as a character choice in the beginning. There are all kinds of times where, in the very beginning, when we were together, I can't remember what scene it was that made me go, oh, I'm going to have mine behind my back. But there's no pockets, as you know, with the uniform. So what do you do with your hands and your arms?

So I just sort of adopted that as like, Dax has her hands behind her back. I love it. And I couldn't move my neck for the spot. So it also made sense to just kind of make it a very militant. our military kind of thing. I love it. I thought it was great. And I noticed the continuity.

And I noticed kind of the, she's all business. She's, you know, there's a formality in a good way that says something about her character, a professionalism or something. Anyway.

Yeah. Well, she's a scientist. It made me feel like, you know, I shouldn't have fingernail polish on. I should have short nails. And if you see pictures, inserts where the nails are long,

I got mad about that. I was like, because you didn't do it. I would have stayed to do it. At least if you're going to have somebody else do it, have them cut their nails or pick somebody with short nails. She's in no nonsense. She always has her hair and a ponytail. She's no fuss, no must. And I think that makes sense on a space station or even on a ship or whatever. It's like, this is my job. Yeah. Thank you for noticing. I did notice. It's a great detail. And I didn't know about the nails, but I'll keep an eye out for that. That's great. I think whoever they picked to do hands for Harry on Voyager, just, I don't know. I don't even think they looked at my hands to compare it. They were like, yeah, that's just picked that guy's hands. Because every time I would watch an episode and I look down at my hands pushing buttons, like that is not, I mean, I know immediately. That's not my hand, you know?

So I don't know if you felt the same way, Robbie, in terms of can you recognize that it's not? Yeah, it was almost never my hands. But I think nine times out of 10, as long as things like nails and stuff, stuff like that is appropriate. It doesn't matter. But every now and then, the insert hand acting does matter. There's something about the way that it's getting pushed, the button. The way that something's being held and turned and looked at is part of the character.

And they shouldn't have us do it. Yes, agreed. Yeah. And I think the only reason they don't, if I remember correctly, was just they couldn't have me be there for more, more over time. Right. They need you to get the turnaround to get back. in the makeup chair first thing in the morning. Oh, yeah, seven-day episodes.

They didn't have time. Absolutely. No. So we go to ops next. Dax arrives with her hands behind her back. I noticed. She asked what's going on. Cisco and Kira are looking at some unusual energy readings.

They think it might be a byproduct of all this warp traffic near the Donarius belt. And Dax goes to work to see if they should worry. She actually says to them, the question is, is it going to cause us problems? Right. Yeah, I kind of figured it might. at this point. So what they've seen is they've seen elevated thoron emissions in the plasma field. So there's the techno babble of this scene right here.

Yeah. Yeah, I had a lot of techno babble. Yes, you did. You did. Yeah. You did. Okay, so we go to Molly's bedroom next. And O'Brien is reading Molly a bedtime story.

It is the Rumpelstiltskin story, which that story always terrified me as a kid. I hated that story. Yeah. Reading the interweb, the Memory Alpha section, there was definitely a sense of scariness to the actress because even Hannah remembered this scene. She said that she was, oh, that that actor that played Ruppel Sealskin on set scared the bejesus out of her. Like literally she was so on edge as a kid. Well, the makeup was terrifying. Yeah.

Yeah, it really was. Yeah. It really was. O'Brien says, you know, time to go to bed. Keiko comes in, she says good night. They step outside to their quarters, getting ready for a little romance. They're going to Funky Town. Yes, they are.

Horizontal lambada. Yes. They are ready to go. And then Molly runs in and says Rumble Stiltzkin, Rumpy, is in a room. Yeah. He's here. He's here. Yeah, he's here.

And Miles is like, okay, I'll come look and then you need to go to bed. And he steps in a room. And there is the terrifying Rumpy. Yes. And he offers, basically offers his services to Miles. He's like, don't, don't be so distraught. I'm only here to offer my services. That's right.

You should need them. We come back from a little break there. Miles sends Kiko and Molly out. Yeah. Get out of here fast. This is terrifying. And Rumpy comes into the room. Miles calls security.

He asks if Miles wants him to spin straw. We're in a story. We're in a story. But seriously, if that really did happen, I think I might wet my pants in terror. I mean, even as the mom, right? You're just like, what then? So try to take this whole show on that level that, like, if any of this actually actually happened. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. They would lock them up. They would have them. being analyzed for, you know, what are they? How can this be happening? They would be in the brig or a holding cell or the medical lab. Yeah, but that brig would make no difference in this episode. They keep disappearing.

But they don't know that. I mean, I'm just saying like the way that they react. Yeah, so he's looking around. Rumpi's looking around the room for, hey, we find out. He wants to spin straw into gold. Miles tries to say his name, Rumpel Siltzkin, but Rumpi does not break into. And then security arrives, tries to grab him, and he vanishes and appears behind them. Okay, by the way, the security, why didn't we have security like that one big dude that comes?

I mean, we never had beefy security guy. No, you guys had the beefiest security dude. Odo hires the best. Honestly, I think he was Avery's stand-in. Oh, you're kidding. I'm guessing. I'm just guessing. I remember him wearing glasses and reading off stage.

Wow. I wish I could remember his name. I feel bad now. But, yeah, I don't know if he was always, I don't think always his stand-in, but that would be my guess. Okay. Because Michael Dorn wasn't there yet. Was Avery's stand-in either Kevin or Yvor, Ivor? Is it one of those two?

Kevin seems super familiar that name. Kevin Grevo is listed as human security officer. Oh, there you go. So O'Brien calls Cisco when he gets the question. call from O'Brien. He's in his quarters reading a pad with his feet up on the table, very comfortable. He looks very, very relaxed. Yeah. So Cisco heads out, runs into Jake. Jake stops him and says, I need to talk, Dad. And Cisco's like, no, I don't have time right now, son. And then turns, and there's a baseball player standing in his doorway. And not just any

baseball player. Bukai, he's basically the futuristic Babe Ruth, basically, right? He's that amazing. You know what's interesting? The way O'Brien said the hail to Cisco, he's like, I need you in my quarters on the double. He said that to Cisco. We would never say that to Janeway. You know what I'm saying? Like, we would never say, Janeway, get to my

quarters in the double. I just don't, it's just interesting how there's a different way of Rumpel Stiltskin is in his Yes. I mean, I don't think he has time to like worry too much about, I mean, I think that there's something like that might be happening. Yeah, I don't think that maybe. I liked that it wasn't perfect. Gotcha.

All right. So we go to Bashir's quarters next. Bashir is having a nice dream, sleeping. Yeah, but he's sleeping with a pad on his chest, which is hilarious. Like he fell asleep, reading it, right? You don't see that on Voyager. So I like it. Fell asleep reading.

Everybody's reading. Cisco was reading in the last. Everybody's reading pads. There must not be much going on. That's why they have such a fertile imagination. So Bashir's sleeping, dreaming, and then suddenly, as the camera pushes in, these hands come into the frame. Hands with clipped nails and no nail color on there. They would have been my nails.

The camera tilts up. We realize it's Dax who's caressing him. Oh, my gosh. Bashir is very confused. Oh, my gosh. He tries to resist at first, but then gives in. There's a lot of kissing in the scene. A lot.

Why are you fighting this, Jillian? And I love his reaction. Did either of you clock the fact that he pulls a medical tricorder from underneath his pillow practically? Like that's one right there to scan her. Always has it close by. They made fun of us because of how many times we had to do it over again. No, I bet. I bet.

But it's funny. He goes, yeah, why am I resisting? And then you guys fall out of frame. Yeah, literally off the bed. Yes. Because you know what those beds are. They're like a coffin. Yeah.

Right? They're the weirdest shape of. like one person who doesn't move. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you must have fallen off the bed because you disappear out of frame and then we hear Kira call all senior officers

report to ops immediately and I love how Bashir pops up into frame. Yes, it was very... Legato did a good deal there. He kept the camera there. He didn't move it. But was that the first kiss for both of your characters?

Yeah. Right? Yeah, it is. Like nobody... Yeah, you haven't kissed anyone up until this point and he hasn't kissed anybody. Not yet. I was kissing Bashir.

I mean, no. Yeah. It was it was very. pleasant it was highly enjoyable nice so he's a good kisser that's good wouldn't that be horrible if he was a horrible kisser you'd be like yeah it would just be awful

Dax and Bashir run into ops Cisco fills them in baseball players there Rumble Stilskins there Cisco asked Dax if this could be from that plasma field emissions the Thoron emissions that they picked up earlier Dax Dax is clueless she doesn't know

and then this is the Dax I'm going to start calling it Dax 2. Okay. Dax 2 goes, I don't know. She's kind of a legally blonde kind of character or something. Rob,

which I love. She's going to confuse me. Can you say kissy dachs or something different? Smoochie Dax. They called me a sex kitten in the description. That's right. Oh, that's funny. Okay.

So sexy Dax answers Cisco. Yeah. And she does not know anything about Thoron emissions or science, it seems at all. She's the space cadet. It doesn't know anything. She's a sex kitten, cadet. Exactly. And then suddenly the real Dax appears

And she said, you should ask me that question Because I'm full of science Then we have the split screen This is where the split screen is happening Like the twins Yeah It was very well done Took a long time

But it looked really cool Yeah there were a couple of split screenshots There was one where you walked behind yourself And that's a tricky shot to do I know for a fact That's a tricky one I'm sure that took time That's the end of the act

So we go to commercial break again we come right back to ops in the scene Buck is explaining that our baseball player is explaining to Cisco that he remembers playing ball with him and Jake so Cisco is sort of convinced that this is the same holiday character I guess

he's not a hologram he's an actual being yeah he's a being but he remembers playing with them so yeah he's it feels like it confirms to Cisco that he's real that he's not some hallucination or alien that wouldn't know that because he knows that he played with them. Anyway, sexy Dax is kissing and pawing Bashir like crazy. I wrote down inappropriate in ops, inappropriate, sexy Dax.

Shame on me. Shame on me. Sexy Dax. Sexy Dax doesn't care where she's sexy at. She does not. She can't turn it off. She can't. It's always on.

I love the difference in these. characters like yes i this is not my favorite episode it makes no sense but your two performances are brilliant thank you thank you it was so much fun it was a delight it was a true delight to watch this yeah oh yeah dream come true to get to do two characters it's yeah yeah it wasn't scary it was like yay yeah i felt fully that gave me so much uh confidence to get to do it because i knew i could do it so It came at a perfect time in the year. Awesome. Sexy Dax is doing all that inappropriate kissing.

And then the real Dax says it may be a dimensional shift caused by this plasma field. Sexy Dax just wants to go to Bashir's orders. Inappropriate. But he says he doesn't have time. And then when he's when he's frustrated and he says he doesn't have time, sexy Dax disappears suddenly. This is the beginning of me going, wait, what? What's happening?

What are the rules? what people disappear when when again anyway yeah but she disappears we have a hail from odo at this point and odo to cisco cisco says go ahead he goes is there something you want to tell me and cisco's like look i'm not in the i'm not in the mood for games what's going on and now we see a shot in the promenade area and it's snowing and it's awesome i love that shot i love yes i was so excited Really put snow in the promenade? Do you remember? Oh, look at how much I worked in that episode.

If I had 30 seconds to myself, I was probably not even there when that got shot. No, you probably weren't. I was probably at home or in the makeup trailer. I imagine it wasn't real snow. I can't. Even if it's not Viz effects, it looks great. If it's Viz effects or not, it looks great. But it could have been like ivory snow.

Do you remember when they used to use ivory snow? Yeah, it could have been like a combo. Yeah. Yeah. The soap flakes. But they couldn't really do snow on the set. How would you get that back up without it ruining the carpet? Yes, true.

That's what I was wondering. It's got to be a visit effect. Yeah, but Terry, you would agree with me. The minute it switches back to, because within seconds, it's no longer snowing. It's now that weird ostrich-looking thing. Didn't you feel like, oh, it's not snowing any longer? I wanted it to be more snow and people slaying and people like sledding. I envy that both of you get to be in.

snow and it's winter. I have a lot of snow. Yes. Don't you have a lot of snow in Canada, too? Oh, yeah. It's completely blanketed. Yesterday, it came down like crazy last night. I didn't quite move north enough. Odo asked if environmental controls are down because it's snowing. Right. And Cisco is like, what? And if snow would be on that option? Yes.

When would snow be on? Yeah, we push the snow button. Sure, Odo. We'll take snow as the climate control. Oh, I went thunder and lightning. But Cisco goes to yellow alert. So he's taking this pretty seriously. Then Dax finds something in the wave patterns of the plasma field, that it's all converging into a single point.

It's almost like sucking in energy. Like a black hole. Like a black hole. Yeah. So it converges. These wave patterns converge into the single point and then drops off suddenly. Cisco wants a full analysis. He says, let's send in a probe.

And then Rumpy, Rumpel-Silskin, for those that didn't. get his nickname Rumpy tries pressing buttons to help Miles at the end of the scene which I thought was very funny and Miles slaps his hand away. Yeah, he's laying on the side of the console and he's like, can I help you? Can I help you?

Very funny. Very funny. Oh, golly. Yep. And we talked about the gungy jackdow or the emu. That was the next cut. But that was definitely an emu. It was definitely an emu. And emues are

mean actually we had an emu on Resident Alien and they bite and they're kind of like they're not friendly so they're very aggressive and the minute that Renee Odo was pushing that thing forward I was like oh no I was expecting

that thing to turn around and attack him I really was but it didn't yeah well they're not wild they're probably raised yeah that's yeah sure they're raced right yeah of course but he they call he calls him a gungy jack Dow, which I love them. Yeah, Jackdow.

And I love him he's like kind of talking to the bird. He's like, oh, wait, this way, this way. And his body language when he's running is like this kind of. Yes. Very funny. It was very funny. Oh, my gosh. And it was so funny that he just keeps chasing him.

It's not the, it's not. Yeah, it's like it's literally a runner. No. Jackdow guy. No, I mean, there's more, more birds to come. We go to Quarks, and the first shot in Quarks is this crowd cheering Dabo, very happy, big, winning big, it seems. Odo comes in, Odo says, you know, they have to stop using their imagination right now. They've got a situation, no imagination.

And then Quark comes in with these barely dressed women. Dabo girls. Dabo girls, I guess, but they're not Dabo girls. They're like his imagination. They're like Vegas show girls. Okay. So I was staring at the blonde one going, why does that woman look so familiar? And then I looked it up. She's uncredited, but her name is in there. It's actress Kristen Bauer as a background actor, basically. Who is Kristen Bauer? She went on to do HBO's True Blood as the main vampire, female vampire in there. She did once upon, she was maleficent in ABC's Once Upon a Time. So she's got a huge career. She's been a convention. She's been a conventions next to my table. So I know Kristen.

So that's why to me, I was like, oh my gosh, this is her. She was an extra on DS9. The beginning of her career. She just showed up from Wisconsin or wherever she was at before this. And it was like, oh, it's Kristen. So that shocked me. That's super cool. Fork thinks the Federation has turned the whole station into a giant holo suite.

But he tells Odo he wants to keep this going. He wants more time with these ladies. And then Odo says, yeah, okay, but you're losing money, you know. They're taking you to the poor house. He runs over. Everybody's winning everything. Odo says, Quark, you're outnumbered. Your imagination is outnumbered by their imagination to win.

And Odo leaves. Okay, so we're in the laboratory, Dax and Bashir studying science-y stuff. Who knows what they're studying? The rip, the tear in space. The air in space anomaly. Yeah, the thoron emissions and all. But it's just, I'm going to call it all science-y stuff. Okay, that's fine.

Okay. Oh, my word. Just goes into the sciencey bucket. But okay. Yes, to the science officer. Please move forward. To a pilot, to a pilot like me. It's just science stuff.

It's sciencey stuff. Yeah. Well, I'm a pilot too, so. Oh. You do it all. I piloted the defiant. Oh. You and Bashir do everything.

Yeah. All right. I do you guys you're good you're really good I just know how to fly things and I'm a nurse by the way so I you're a nurse and you chase skirts exactly but she awkwardly apologizes though to the real Dax that's who we're talking to right now but Dax is fine with it she she says she was a young man once Terry I loved when you said that because it seems so Terry to me like you're you are as a human being are so empathetic.

You're like, I understand that. I understand why you would act that way. This is great. He says everyone fantasizes, has fantasies, and maybe those fantasies should be kept private. So she understands why he feels awkward. But she kind of ends that conversation after the apology, right? But she's like, okay, good. The computer seems to be having trouble finding a match.

But it's our Dax that brings it back up again. She says, she really is submissive. Yeah, sexy Dex was kind of submissive, wasn't she? Yeah. And then Sexy Dex blinks in clearly off camera. Submissive. I'm not submitt. And I love your line reading.

You're like, I'm not submissive. Am I? And it was just like, oh, yeah. This is so juicy. I love it. Yeah. Very fun. This is a fun scene.

It's a fun scene. Yeah. Sexy Dax appears says, you know, stop denying your yearnings, Dax. Appreciate Julian. Oh, and this is the crossover. you were talking about we're on both sides of him at this point yes yes but i love the angel and the devil kind of thing to me that's what that's and it's getting under our dax our hero's skin but sexy sexy dax is not just about being sexy with bashear she's also got a little bit of a bite because she says

i'm just not the cold fish you are and it's like ooh there's a little dig there you know so she's his thoughts she uh in a way yes she is his creation of the Dax, he probably fantasizes about. So these thoughts are about him, think, they reflect on him more than her. Yeah. So he thinks the real Dax is a cold fish in real life is what it is. Well, that's his excuse of why she isn't attracted to him. Right.

That's what most men say when the woman doesn't respond. Oh, it's her. She's a cold fish. Couldn't possibly be me. In the middle of this awkward conversation with both Daxes, the computer finds a match at this point from the Hanoli system. And this is a system that was destroyed when this similar rupture happened. It expanded and destroyed the entire system. That's not good.

That's huge. Think about that. A whole system is gone. Now we're concerned on a whole other level. Yeah, we have a station log. We have a station log from Cisco. And he says, we have launched a probe to study the subspace anomaly. Meanwhile, more than half the people aboard DS9 have reported manifestations of their imagined thoughts.

Is this the first time that anyone's referred to it as DS9 as opposed to the station? Because I don't recognize, I don't remember anyone saying DS9, you know. And then the shot of, we do have a shot of the probe coming out of the station. Cool shot. Amazing shot. But Robbie, their probe looks like a little. shuttle like a cool sveled looking shuttle it doesn't even look like a probe it wasn't gold or something it was like a different color it was metallic and it but our probes look really lame on voyager

and their probe was so sexy it was like a they have a blingy it's a blingy kind of probe is that what it is a blingy probe okay this sexy probe yes sexy dax designed that probe six designed it clearly all right we hear dach say that all a probe systems are reading normal thing has been launched. We see O'Brien working on probe updates, basically, and he's arguing with Rumpy. And Rumpy says that O'Brien's afraid of him that this is his fear that empowers Rumpy, that literally O'Brien's fears are what are empowering him. Miles says, no. And then Rumpy says, Molly is your first born, right? That was a trigger moment. That was a trigger moment. He was about to open up a can of whoop ass on Rumpy.

at that point he was yep can't blame him yeah but he vanishes thin air right when he gets up to get yeah yeah see this is what I

you don't like that you don't like the disappearing part is that right Robbie it makes no sense okay fine so if they did not disappear it does by the end when we find out what they are

yeah well what yes then it makes sense yes so if the disappearing didn't happen then you would buy this episode is that what you're saying to me now would that have made it more realistic and more continuity

if the disappearing didn't happen. We'll get there when we get there. But if the ship gets to the point, or the ship, if the station is in jeopardy the way that this story says it was really in jeopardy until Cisco goes, wait a minute,

this is our imagination. But yet it really was happening. So it's either real or it's imagination. Either the ship was reading, these things actually happened, science-y-wise, or it was just a group fantasy, a group hallucination.

And then the readings wouldn't be the reading. But it's kind of, it doesn't, you can't have it both ways. You can't have them show up and physically do things, but then disappear. Or you can't have the fire come at Kira in the hallway, and suddenly the fiery guy disappears a second before he hits her. It just seemed confusing. Like the rules seem convenient to me. That's why it lost me. But Terry knocked it out of the park.

That's all I got to say. I'm serious. Like, that was what kept me in the episode. Terry's performance. Oh, I love you so much because I absolutely believe you. It's true. It was my favorite. I absolutely believe you.

Yes. It totally makes sense to me that my performance. It's not in my imagination. No. Did I imagine Robbie saying that? I don't know. So we go back to the laboratory. Real Dax is studying this probe's data now.

Looks like the anomaly is drawing everything surrounding it. And it's getting larger, we find out, in the scene in the lab. So this is bad. It's heading in a bad direction. We go to the promenade on the upper level, and I loved this whole sequence. It's a long walk and talk with Buck and Cisco, but I love the way it was shot. It was a steady cam oneer up top, very difficult, getting them to the stairs, and it cut into the second shot of the whole scene was a crane shot that came down from the upper deck and pan them all the way over. I thought the shot making and the staging was really.

really good. Okay. Did this bother you, though? And I agree with you. The shopmaking and the moves, the camera moves, great. But I didn't like that Keone Young really was sort of kind of, you know, cornered in a way. Like as he's walking, he's contorting his body. But wouldn't that be a direction, a directorial note? Yes, it would. Yeah. It would. Do you, but Terry, it's also a question for you. the upper level the upper level of the promenade was that a very narrow walkway up there it was pretty narrow and there was that weird uh the curve was an arch to it yeah yeah think i generally ended up closer to the railing because of how tall i am you're okay yeah yeah also rob was our special effects guy right he wasn't a director in the sense that he got hired yeah no um i mean he was

lovely to work with. I enjoyed working with them, but clearly I had fun doing this show, the specific episode, period. And I feel like I finally took flight. Like it was like, I agree. It was a great, it was a great opportunity for you as an actor on this show. It was a whole new version of your capabilities that I was watching. It was great. Yeah, I felt secure. Thank you. I felt secure. I think if you watch it, you can see what that Ivana Chubbik definitely helped bump up my self-esteem with really making me feel more secure about, no, you've gone to acting class. You know what you're doing. Trust yourself. Trust yourself. How about that? If you could give yourself one note, trust yourself. Right. Yeah.

And that having that support is huge. Yeah. Your mastery of Technobabobo, it comes out so naturally out of your mouth in season one. I'm so impressed with that. It's just like, man. Damn. She really just, it's like the back of her hand. She knows it. It's so good. So that's, and it's hard to do. Take Camp Babel is not easy, not at all. So in this walk and talk, this long, steady cam into a crane shot, all that. Buck wants Cisco to come play some ball. He's talking to him to, you know, come play some baseball with me. But Cisco does not have time. That's on the upper level. You know, Buck's trying to get him to play. But Cisco's got to stop this. anomaly and then as they land down at the bottom buck realizes that this could be the end of him that if they do figure this out yeah this could be the end of this relationship so he wants to

thank cisco for caring about the game right i love that yeah it was very sweet i love that scene that way oh it was very sweet yeah we find that cisco we find out that cisco was there on the Holladek, at least, to watch the very last world series that only 300 people showed up at. So he wants to thank him for being there. And this, to me, was so much about, that moment was so much about Michael Pillars. 301 with Cisco. Yeah. But it's about Michael Pillars' love of baseball.

Yeah. And Michael's sort of imagining in the future, maybe people will get bored of this game. It won't be exciting enough and they'll stop playing it. Yeah. It's also interesting to me that in the upper level of the promenade, Cisco's more combative or dismissive of Buck. And then on the bottom level, and then also during the top, that's when he steals the baseball from him, right? Remember, he snatches it out of the air and Cisco's holding on to it. Then on the bottom of the promenade, when Buck kind of admits to like, oh, I'm so, you know, happy that you were there to support me and we won this and all that.

And that's when he sort of like lightens up a little bit and he throws the ball. back. So I like that little symbolism, the use of that ball where he takes it and then he gives it back at the end. So I'm like, okay. Well, Buck, Buck's being vulnerable. He is being vulnerable. I think any time someone's vulnerable with you, you have to. If you're not honoring that, that something is a miss. Right. We go to the next scene and here's our imaginary characters all talking with each other now. Sexy Dax doesn't understand men. She shares that. She's like, I don't get this. why is he you know pushing me away when I was his in his imagination rumble still skin wants to quit but buck says no I'm making a connection with Cisco I want to keep this going as long as it takes

right so you realize that these characters are more than just the imaginary characters yeah they've got their own agenda aliens there's some kind of alien and I'm wondering why we haven't picked up on that sooner. Right. Yes. As Dax watching it, I would say, why would we not have tried to investigate or measure with a tricorder? Yeah.

That's exactly my issue here. Yeah, that's right. Why didn't they do that? Yes. If we're all seeing the same imagination thing, it's coming to life. Yeah. Then it's either sentient or not. It's either an imaginary thing or it's not.

And somehow it just kept sort of conveniently being whatever. version in the script that it needed to be. That was my problem. I still like the ride. Yeah. I understand what you're saying completely, but I was still enjoying the ride. Yeah. I totally get it. But even though that this scene takes place in the

Repliment, this really is their briefing room scene. These aliens, this is their briefing room, right? Yes, it is. And I do feel that the alien that's taken on Buck Bukai's image is the leader. I think he's like the captain, or he's the commander of this mission. Did that come off as well for you guys? Yeah, it felt like he was the boss of it. Yeah, he's the boss.

For sure. Okay, so we're out in space now. We have a station log supplemental. Cisco says the subspace anomaly continues to expand. As of yet, we've been unable to find a way to contain it. As a precaution, we've diverted all incoming ships away from this station. So this is definitely a big deal. Yeah. Big deal. Well, they don't want it to turn it into the Honoli system, right? Which is exactly. Disappeared because of the expansion of this. So space and not. destroyed the whole system, yeah. We go in the commander's office, the whole team, our heroes are discussing a Vulcan mission that took place to deal with this in the Honoli sector last time.

And they used a pulse wave torpedo back then, but it didn't work. The Vulcans solution did not work, and the anomaly exploded and disappeared completely from normal space. We've never even heard of this type of torpedo before. Robbie and I on Voyager, nobody used a pulse wave to really. I was like, what is that? Well, we had issues with torpedoes on our show. Oh, because in the pilot, in the pilot, somebody says we only have 21 torpedoes left.

And we used thousands of torpedoes over the seven seasons. They shouldn't have said that at all. You're lost in space. How could you have anything extra? We definitely did not have a pulse wave. No. Like the Vulcans did. Like the Vulcans.

O'Brien says that this pulse wave torpedo may still be the best solution, but Kira gets really, worried she says this could destroy the entire Bajorn system and Cisco says well if the rupture expands then the system is going to be destroyed anyway the Bajun system will be gone so we've got to try this

Cisco says make the torpedo yeah I loved him this scene the scene when Bishir comments on the Vulcans plan and he says you know Obrant says something like they were only within range of the anomaly for 12 hours and Bishir goes yeah and Vulcans

don't have the most active imaginations. I just love throwing in the theme of the episode. Yeah, that was cute. We go into ops. Kira's now calling Odo to do a security sweep before they evacuate the pylons. So I guess the pylons are in the middle and the ring is around the outside

where they would evacuate. So they're getting everybody out of those. So what is the pylon? The spoke? Yeah, that's what I think. Okay. Those things that are like sticking up and going down. Oh,

Oh, you mean that the, oh, those are the pylons. That's my guess. That makes sense. That makes sense. My job is a professional science officer, I would say. Like, yeah, like, I don't even know what they use them. That's just what I thought the pylons. Why do they even exist?

Is that stability? I don't understand. Where people live, like, their quarters. They live in the pylons? Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

And then the promenade, I think it goes all the way around, right? Okay. You know, all right, whenever you watch the beginning of the show, the opening credits, see the station where is the promenade exactly in that thing is it in the main center ring is it the top part of it the lower part of it the center i think is ops oh okay yeah so the promonted is the ring itself then right the entire ring is the promenade oh yes and we only see a portion of it right yes you only see that little snippet that has corks and yes okay so i think of that is like being one quarter one segment of it okay

Of the ring, yeah. Thank you for explaining that. I did not know. I would guess it would be like four segments that we've been missing. Oh, yeah. Maybe we see those when we see going down in the corridors and when we're going around. You know what I mean? That could be the DS9 sequel, the spinoff, Star Trek, the other segments, you know, like that.

Or the other pylons or the rest of the promenade, because we only see that quarter. We only see the quarks side. DS9, the pylons. DS9 pylons. All right. yeah so uh kira says do the security sweep we're going to evacuate everybody otto says i'll do that as soon as i deal with these birds he's chasing the emus still now i think there's two right there's two of them yeah you know what i would have loved to have seen is jake and noggs sitting up there like with a picture of oh that would have been funny like come on what else can you think of i can't imagine it who are people that like can't um picture things in their brain

that would be that would be nogg and Jake is like the one doing it yes yes exactly so kira makes the call to otto and then she steps into some corridor and is thrown back by this giant fiery blast of fire coming the whole thing's exploding she calls ops but then a man suddenly runs out around the corner and he's on fire and just as he's about to run into her inches away, he vanishes into thin air. Cisco responds and asks her to report, what, you know, what's the emergency? And she says, no, just a false alarm. And then she goes and announces to lower pylon one to go to the outer ring.

But this is a part where I was like, if this is her imagination, first of all, yeah, everybody else has pretty fun imaginations. Even Rumble still is going to scary, but he's fun. Yeah. Does she imagine, this is what she's imagining, fire? Okay. Hello. She is a terrorist.

at I'm on it. She is a terrorist. She has PTSD. Her fear of this being catastrophic is triggering this response. So for me, this felt very true to her character. And I felt really bad for her for it happening. Like, of course, the woman who has PTSD is all by herself. And this freaking happens.

Right. Right. Because her entire backstory is just conflict, conflict, conflict, conflict, fight, fighting death, war. She grew up in war. grew up like that. Yeah. Yeah. There you go.

Good call. Okay. Very nice. All right. We go to the promenade again. We're still hurting these birds. Odo chases two birds with more security officers. Funny things in threes.

Yes. Yes. Quark wants Odo to find his missing women, his fantasy girls. O'Courke is. He is screaming. He is screaming at the top of his lungs. Like somebody stole his, you know, his birthright. I mean, what's going on here?

Missing women. He needs them. Yeah. And then suddenly the birds disappear that Odo's chasing and the women reappear. Yeah. And Quark says to Odo that, you know, he simply has no imagination. And then Odo lists all the things that he's been chasing to Quark in this scene. What does he list?

He lists incarnations of prophets, long dead lovers, Gungi Jackdaws, blizzards, Trollops. He's going on. with all the things people in the promenade are imagining. Poor Odo. He needs to get in his bucket and take a nap. Yeah, he needs to get in that bucket. I actually wish there had been more of Odo, and we kept seeing all these different things.

That would have been funny as like a comedy runner. Yeah, yeah, without even saying anything. Just doing the most bizarre. It was in a while interspersed. Yeah, yeah, that would have been great. But that comment from Cork about a man without any imagination, that cut or that dig on Odo is important at this point. Yeah.

It does. It pays off. Yeah, it pays off later. Well, it pays off in the next scene because we go in the security office and it's very insulted. He walks in and he's talking to himself, you know, like imagination. I have imagination. And he does a sweep of the pylons. And then suddenly Quark appears on the screen in a holding cell.

And he's furious. And Quark says, Odo put him in there. And Odo is very proud. He says, yes, I did. But he blinks out. So that is a fake quark then, correct? It's got to be it. Yes, it's, so that's his imagination.

It's like sexy quark. Yeah, that's sexy quark. But Odo does explain no imagination indeed. Harmer, I'm going to love that. That is his imagination. Yes, he realizes he does have some imagination. His dream is to throw cork into the brig forever, right? So that's why I love that scene.

Yeah, it's funny. We go to Cisco's quarters now. Jake's doing some homework on a computer. a laptop kind of thing. He's bored. He picks up his baseball glove and then Buck appears. So again,

it's starting to this pattern of like, you think it, it shows up. That's right. So I get that. Yeah. But then when it shows up, anyway,

you get my problem. Is it real? I do. Why does it disappear if you're still thinking about it? Is it real or is it Memorex? Yeah. Oh, that was the 80s.

These references you're pulling out of it. All that. For those listening, Memorex was a cassette tape brand. Yes. That is it real or is it Memorex was an 80s ad they had. Yeah, haven't thought of that since forever.

Buck appears, is he real or is he Memorex? Buck wants him to come play ball and Jake says, no, dad will kill me. And then suddenly Cisco appears overshoulder. And Jake basically says, is this sexy Cisco or is this? It's sexy Cisco. It's an imaginary Cisco. Jake says, uh, dad, uh, I was doing my homework. The computer lost my homework.

basically like the dog ate my homework yeah yes and sexy cisco does not believe him but then cisco vanishes yeah and jake goes back to his homework and then buck vanishes yeah so again i the rules of this i just don't i don't understand okay dead horse go on yeah i'm beating i'm beating it i'm beating it we go to ops dax real dax tell cisco the rift is growing very fast but o'brien says he's almost ready with a torpedo they look at at it on screen this rift and then buck appears in ops rump appears sexy dax appears things are looking bad they look at this thing on screen it's a big gash with everything getting sucked into it yeah so we've got all our imaginary people and a really bad rip in space

rip in space yeah we come back to ops after a little commercial break in the old days we had a commercial break now you just stream it right through yes but there is a break there Yeah, that's the old days. Now it's just screened a black for two seconds and right back into this. I'm right back into the episode. Kira says all the personnel have moved to the habitat ring. They're ready to evacuate. Sexy Dax appears.

And she's worried now and wants Bashir to hold her. She says, hold me. Hold please. He acquiesces. Yes, he does. He holds her. They fire the torpedo. At first, it looks like it works, basically.

But then the anomaly starts to fluctuate. And it explodes. and we cut to quark falling on the ground with furniture falling, glassware flying. We go to the security office. Odo's trying to call ops, but he can't get through. So these are real things. Okay. And this is the problem, right? Because like, is this collective consciousness? Because if you're in ops, you know that that can shake, right? But if you're quark in quarks, he doesn't know what's happening. He shouldn't be falling onto the ground then.

Exactly. But we really. really shot the stuff into space. Yeah, we shot it. That's true. The real reaction to the environment is definitely going to still hit the station. Okay. Yes. If Boba Kai threw a baseball at your head and you didn't catch it and it hit you in the head, you'd probably feel it. Yeah. Right. Well, let's keep going and then I'll tell you why this confuses me. So cork falls the ground, Odo calls ops. The communications aren't working for real. Yeah. We go back to ops. Things are really bad. sexy dax is really badly hurt she's on the ground she's bleeding she tells julian that she's very sorry for

everything yeah and then i thought she died here but she kind of passes out um right because she's going to come back in a minute right she loses consciousness she loses consciousness okay rumpy offers to fix all of this in exchange for o'brien's wife and kid yeah um it's very scary Cisco has an idea this is all and by the way when he says for your wife and kid he brings them in it magically appear right and that's when I was like

right yeah they're shocked and that's when I was like well all the imaginary people are appearing are these real or imaginary like is he just trying to scare O'Brien well but but rumple skill rumple stilt skin

rumpy rumpy I don't like rumpy it makes me think of a butt I know I know that's okay rumple stiltskin is isn't he magical? Yes, he is. I don't know. He spins

straw into gold. So he can he's magical. Yes. Like a wizard. Right. Okay. So he just conjures them like he conjures them up. They appear. He wants to keep them in exchange for fixing everything but O'Brien is

terrified but angry. Well, the life and death is like, do you want to save everyone in the station and just give up your daughter? So one casualty or one loss plus everyone lives so he throws that out there that delivers that out there and right at that moment where miles has to make this decision Cisco has a light bulb moment they go wait a minute this is all from our imagination he tells them just believe that none of this is real you have to believe that it's not real though you can't just think it's not real but you have to

believe it's the three minute light bulb there's only three minutes left to the show somebody has to have a light bulb somebody I love that three minute light bulb somebody I love that three minute light bulb. Cisco says, believe that none of this is real. It's just all imaginary. One by one, all these problems start to disappear. And when things are completely calm, Kira asked how this happened. Dax thinks that it's the original problem, the thoron emissions that are still elevated. Cisco says continue analyzing these thoron emissions, but no more speculating, no more imagining what it is, only the facts. That's very important, tells O'Brien to take his family home, the ones that just appeared that I thought were imaginary, but no, I guess

they're real. They're real. And tells O'Brien to take the family home. And then we go into his office and Cisco sits down in his office by himself, closes his eyes. Yeah. So he must be imagining Buck because Buck appears. Yeah. That's what I figured. And Buck appears explains that he is an alien. He's from the other side of the wormhole. Yes. Well, I was just going to say, I don't think he's imagining him. I think he went into his office just because he's relieved that this craziness just ended. I just felt like he was like, oh.

And then Buck being the alien had to come in and say, hey, let me just fess up what would happen. You know, that's, I don't think he's not about it. No, I think he just, I don't think he just walked in. Yeah. So Buck comes in, says, I'm an alien. We're all aliens.

We're from the other side of the wormhole. And they came to study them. Yeah. And Cisco's like, why don't you just talk to us. Why'd you have to do all this mind games? And Buck says, well, we didn't know how the visiting team would be treated. I love that line. I love that line. Me too. You never can tell how someone will treat the visiting team, which is so true. So true. Yeah. Yeah. But he does say all of this was your imagination. And Buck and his species just wanted to see where it would lead, where their imaginations would go. Yeah. And Cisco

says, well, tell me about your species. Tell us about what kind of aliens you are. And Buck says, maybe next year, which is another baseball phrase of like. Which I wish he would have said maybe next season. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe next season. Right?

Because that's way more baseball. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for very, I'm sorry. I think you're making a joke about next season of DS9. No, no, no. Maybe next season of this show. Is what he's saying?

No. next season for baseball. Yeah, that makes sense. But I'm bummed. Yeah. I mean, it stuck out to me next year. It was like, what does that mean? Yeah, it's a little cryptic.

But we don't know the name of the species. We don't even know who. They don't know anything about them. We know gamma quadrant. That's where they're from. That's it. Right? That's it.

We don't know anything else. The other side of the wormhole is all he said. Maybe it's beyond the gamma quadrant. Could be. Yeah. Yeah. But is that the end of our show? I have two lessons.

All right. One is our imagination is very powerful for good or bad. So to use your imagination, you know, be intentional with your imagination. If you're like Kira imagining things blowing up and people on fire, that's what you're going to experience. Yeah. And if you imagine, you know, good things and optimism and positivity, then you're going to manifest that. So our imaginations are powerful. the other lesson I have is careful what you fantasize about because other people may learn about

your fantasies like Bashir so don't careful you may think it's all in your head but somehow it may get exposed like Bashir so that's my two lessons. I literally use the word very powerful. Generally what we think is what we become. it becomes our reality so be careful your mind is very powerful and yeah it's it is it's like amazing how i mean a matter of perspective right we can even though it's really hard to do especially when you're on a down side of things to try to flip your perspective on life but it's a very important tool to use and you know like i can just say for dach speculating about the wormhole

is is a super important in that she created it julian creating the fantasy and it came out loud that's like what you're saying more embarrassing but we are what we think we are what we eat those two things are huge yeah and you can't erase something that's happened to you but it is a fact that you can create new neural pathways. Yes. But you have to work really hard to do it. That's why a lot of, you know, one tool that a lot of people use is making a gratitude list every day.

And I do it. If you focus on gratitude, like the positive things in life, it will rewire your brain to create that experience for yourself. But if you focus on all the things that are wrong in your life and all the worries, then you're going to create that. Yeah, and sometimes it's hard. So I guess my lesson is, same as you guys, you are what you think. And this is something that Robbie knows, that at least for Voyager, I was using creative visualization, which is there's a book you can buy on that.

And it just literally, it was just thinking right before I went to sleep about the first audition that I went to, that they were going to look at my, you know, my tape, my audition tape, this and that. They confer. they say he's going to get a call back they call my agent the agent calls me so very specific intent and thinking visualizing and that's i did that for voyager for getting the job on voyager entirely was always that manifestation of my thought of me getting this role so and it's again something that we cannot see you know your thoughts you can't see a thought well your thoughts do manifest in what you want they're so powerful yeah so powerful yeah thank you for joining us for this one. Next time, we're going to be watching and discussing The Foraken. If you're a

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