The Delta Flyers - Improbable Cause

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Improbable Cause, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell.Improbable Cause: A peaceful afternoon is shattered when an explosion destroys Garak’s shop. We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Nicole Toma, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, & Sean T.Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Michelle Z, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Chris Garis, Keir Newton, Cindy Woodford, Mariette Karr, Jeff Allen, & Tamara EvansAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, Eddie Dawson, Klee Wiggins, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Karen Galleski, Jeremy Conoley-Mayes, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Helen Brownrigg, Lindsay Bundy, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Robby Hill, Andrea Wilson, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, James Poesl, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Shawn Battershall, & Natalie SwainThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Delta Flyers' Journey Through the Wormhole, with Cork, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. For the complete and exciting and amazing and incredible and wonderful version of this podcast, check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. There was rhythm to that one. That was good.

I was trying to do it a little Avery Brooks. Oh, is that what that was? I was jazzing it up. Oh. You were jazzing it up. You Avery did. Let's just call that Avery. He inspired you.

Instead of jazzing it up. You, Avery did an Avery. He did Avery. He directed this episode we're talking about today. He sure did. A little bit, like, yeah. Oh, most definitely. The Avery vibes.

Yes, it's there. We have some birthdays to talk about right now. Well, March 30th, it's a special day because it's Tara Poland's birthday. So happy, happy birthday to Tara. Happy birthday, Tara. Happy birthday, Tara. And we have Carrie Roberts on April 3rd. birthday, Carrie.

Happy birthday, Carrie. Happy birthday, Carrie. Let's move it along home to our poetry synopsis with Robbie Duncan McNeil with his Limerick. Okay, there is no parental advisory for this one. Oh. I think everyone's welcome to listen, just for those who need advisories. Here we go, my poetry synopsis. Garrick's shop has a big nasty blast.

It draws him back into his past. His boss Tane from before is going to start a big war. Garrick's no longer a lonely outcast. Look at that. Oh, thank you. Slick. That was good. Very good.

And here is my haiku for improbable cause. Garrick's shop goes boom Who's behind the doom and gloom Talshiar O squared Wow You got a rhyme in there

Your haikus don't normally They never rhyme No that's unusual So I like the voice you have when you say it You have a whole different cadence Yes you do It's alarming

I have to kids attention. I just want to say the rhyme though, Robbie, I felt was possibly purist, haiku purists may think you're not supposed to rhyme that or they may think that's that I'm selling out. So I have an alternate second line. Can I disagree this from to you? Yes, please do. Because I felt a little uncomfortable with your. All right. All right. Garik's shop goes boom. Who would want to end Garrick, tell she are. O squared? Whoa.

I like them both. I couldn't fit obsidian order, so that's why I said O squared. Oh, I was going to ask what that meant, actually. Then I was kind of afraid to ask. No, I'm glad you did. So now you know. So that was my way of getting obsidian order in because it was so long. Good job.

Thank you. You know, your haikus are really good. I like a haiku. Much better than Limerick, to be honest. I really enjoy reading haikus, and there's a book I want to recommend to you. I may have brought this up before. There's a book called The Haiku. There's a book called The Haiku Year.

And it's a bunch of different writers, Michael Stipe, who is the lead singer of R.E.M., one of my favorite bands of all the time. Yes. Yeah. Michael Stipe and a bunch of other artists back in the 80s that were friends decided to write each other haikus once a month of whatever they were doing. If they were on tour, if they were painting, a piece of art or whatever they were doing and they'd write a haiku and they'd send it to each other and michael sype collected all of these and he published him as a book so it's over like i think

a two or three year period where they send each other haikus all the time and uh it's really interesting so the haiku year maybe it was a year why are we doing that we are on the podcast no i'm saying to each other like a message i can hike in life yeah oh that's sweet right Okay, I have to learn how to do them. It's a way of sort of like, yeah, checking in with someone, but rather than saying, hey, just wanted to say, hey, I'm sitting here in this hotel room and, you know, Minneapolis for a convention. Instead of doing that, you kind of say, you know, a little haiku about the weekend. By the window, snow falls slowly or I'm not doing a good haiku, but, you know, capturing your feelings and your environment in a way that's just simple. Yeah, that's cool.

Okay, so this episode that we're jumping into is story by Robert Letterman and David R. Long and also tell play by Renee Eshavaria. We love. We love. Yes. Renee's awesome. I worked with Renee on The Mentalist after he wrote a script. I think he wrote the script that I directed, but he was on the staff for sure.

Yeah. Renée is awesome. Wait, do you directed Mentalist? Oh, sorry, not the mentalist, no, medium, both an M show. Oh, medium. Patricia Arquette. Yeah. Yeah.

It was medium. That's what it was, not the mentalist. You worked on the medium then. I worked on both of them, but yeah. Oh, you worked on mentalists as well. Yes. Okay. Guest stars for this episode, Andrew Robinson is Garrick, Carlos La Camara, who played

the assassin. He did? Oh, yeah. He's from Cuba, born in Cuba. Yes, I know Carlos very well. He's married to a writer. Yes. Oh.

So I did not recognize him in the makeup at all. Oh, my God. So you know him personally then, Robbie. I know him sort of, I mean, professionally, I know him. Professionally. Yeah, Carol Barbby, I think, is his wife. Is he the guy that's the perfumer guy in this? Yes.

Yes. That's the one. He has a little. Okay, great. Yes. Interesting character and interesting makeup as well, for sure. Yeah. We'll get to that.

we'll get to that we also have joseph ruskin joseph ruskin played does everyone know who he played he played he played the informant okay so or am i incorrect who was the informant he's the guy that's sort of up in the shadows and telling oh yes yes yes yes well you just really saw his eyes yeah you barely saw him was joseph ruskin an acting teacher did he run an acting school in l.a possibly because i know that he worked for sag for many many years so i think Armand knows him personally is my guess. I think he also had an acting school on the West side that was pretty well known in a little theater company. Okay, because the name is familiar, right? His last name seems familiar. Yeah. Well, he was actually in the original series

for the part of Galt. This is what's so crazy. He's played in the original series in the episode the Gamesters of Triskelian. He's in that episode. And then D-Space 9, he was a Klingon in two episodes. And of course, here he is a Cardassian in this episode. So he's played on the original series, D-Space 9, and also Enterprise and Voyager as well. He was in Gravity, but a Vulcan master in that. And then Enterprise was probably his last, yes, I think that was his last, last Star Trek appearance. But he's done so many different roles on Star Trek already. That's amazing.

And you said he had an acting school. Is that right? I think he had an acting school. Yeah, Ruskin acting. Ruskin School of Acting and they had a small theater a little black box theater where I've seen a couple of playing productions

Okay Where was it? By the Santa Monica Airport It was in an old airport hanger Oh yeah Then I would have seen the name If it was outside Right yeah

Okay Yeah Darwin Carson is another guest star She plays the Taushiar The Tao Shiar Romulan that we see on the view screen Talking about How yes I did destroy

The Assassins ship, basically. That's that character. Juliana McCarthy plays the An Auburn Tane's Housekeeper, the one that's on the view screen talking to. Oh, she was great. What's her name again? She was an original cast member of the soap opera, Young and the Restless. She starred in the role of Liz Foster, the Matriarch, from 1973 to 1986.

That's 13 years straight. Oh, that's why she was familiar. Did that sound familiar to you? Soap daytime actress. Yeah. I used to watch Young and the Restless with my stepdad. Now, here's another little tidbit that's very interesting for us. In 1986, she appeared on stage as the character Berta at the James A. Doolittle Theater in Hollywood in the Mark Taper Forum production of Hedda Gabbler, which was directed by Robert Egan, starring Egan's then-wife, Kate Mowgru as Hedda. I knew that was coming.

Wow. The production also included Linda Pearl as Mrs. Elfstead. So this is super cool that Juliana McCarthy was in a stage. production with Kate Mulgrew. That's crazy. And of course, we have Paul Dooley, as the other guest star, who plays Anabrant Tain, the unofficial leader of the Obsidian Order, evidently. That man has had an incredible career as well.

Yeah. It's unbelievable. He was literally discovered, I think, by Mike Nichols, who cast him in The Odd Couple. So while he was in a smaller role in the Odd Couple, he was under what am I trying to say understudying yeah he was understudying the role of

I guess it was Felix whoever wasn't Walter Mathel who the other character so that would be Oscar or Felix that was Oscar is Walter Matho okay so then he understudied the Felix character yeah Felix Unger character

and then when Art Carney left that production he took over oh wow yeah which is pretty cool to get that job it's a big deal that was a big big deal i haven't seen that for that version forever was it walter mathow and jack lemon walter matthew in the movie i think in the movie that's what i'm asking when he said walter math out an art carney on stage yeah the other thing about dula is that he was one of the creators of the children's show the electric company was he really i watched that all the time like I did too.

Electric Company. Yeah, I was told to watch it by my teachers. Sesame Street and Electric Company were the two children's programming shows that every American kid at least saw. Back in the day. Back in the 70s. Huge. So he was one of the creators and main headwriters of that. You have not touched on his biggest credit in my mind.

He is from a movie that Robbie loves. And he played in the movie Breaking Away. And Robbie has said many times, this is one of his favorite films of all times. love breaking away. He's got the classic line in the movie. He sells used cars and he tries to get his son, Dennis Christopher, to come work at the used car shop. And Dennis Christopher sells this car and his dad's real happy. And his dad comes back the next day. And Dennis Christopher has given a refund to the guys that. So, although his character just has like a nervous breakdown. He's going, refund, refund. And then it cuts to him sitting at home.

in his chair still going refund it's a classic moment so you love paul duly uh duly this is interesting duly formed a company with andrew duncan and lynn lipton now reason why that sounds familiar rob because andrew duncan is one of our profits same name same name not the same person so he formed a company with andrew duncan and lypton called all over creation to create commercials for radio and television. They produced around 500 television commercials and 1,000 radio spots with this little company that he had. A character named after him that appeared in a lot of the television commercials

was named after Paul. Paul the gorilla, Paul Dooley. But that's amazing that he's done all those things. Create a children show. Create an advertising company to come up with radio jingles and also television commercials. And also, he was a stand-up comic for five years. Was he really? He's a Swiss Army knife.

He's done so many different things. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. Because if you think about a stand-up comedy is one of the most harshest, you know, industries to be in terms of it's very, you're in it, you try it, you get spit out. He did it for five years straight as a stand-up comic. Wow.

Yeah. So anyway. Love Paul Dooley. Refund. Refund. All right. Let's jump into the episode. Let's do.

We start in Quarks Cafe. There's Bashir and Garrick having a meal as they. often do. Garrick is very talky. We learned that he's not a fan of Shakespeare. So I'm glad that Armin's not doing this podcast. Armin would have lots of thoughts about that. But Garrick does not like Shakespeare.

Bashir says he's got a lot of work to do. He's eating pretty fast. Garrick wants him to slow down. But Bashir says, I got to go. And Bashir does mention maybe you can finish the pants that I dropped off. And Garrick says, you know, I'll leave. with you. I'll take off. I've been eating chocolates all morning, so I'm not very hungry, and Garrick leaves with him. It's a nice scene. I kept thinking that some of this was going to

pay off, like, you know, Julius Caesar conversation. Yeah. I don't know that it does. I don't think it does, but I will say that I've never seen an actor eat that much food or put that much food in his mouth. Maybe there was a spit bucket next to him, but I typically, when actors are in eating scenes, they refrain from eating anything. He had to physically pound that food, and that to me was pretty crazy. He was eating a lot. Yeah, but I also thought the one, you know, one of the, the two characters that did not make it into this episode, we do not see Cork, and we do not see Jake, Cisco.

And I thought this would have been a great chance to use Cork in this opening scene. If it was in Corks at his bar, he's talking to Garrick about this. and we find out that Quark is this Shakespeare affixionado if they wrote that into his character where he's actually arguing. Yeah, where he's arguing for Shakespeare against Garrick. And I said, there you go. There's a nice ability.

Oh, I would have loved to have seen that. You know what just occurred to me? Whenever I hear people talking about Shakespeare or Greek tragedy in Star Trek early in an episode, I feel like that's a clue to where the story's going. and it just occurred to me. Garrick's talking about Julius Caesar and he says, you know,

Caesar didn't figure it out until the knife was in his back. Right. And Bashir says, well, that's what makes it such a good tragedy. Caesar couldn't conceive his best friend

would plot to kill him. Well, guess where I think this two, part two is going. I think Garrick is going to kill. Garik's got a kill Tane. It's Julius Caesar. Wow.

I was so afraid you were going to say Bashir. No. I was just like, he's going to kill his share. I got to watch part two as soon as we're done. Right? But I think that's why they're talking about Caesar. I think that's why they're talking about Julia Caesar. They don't do that randomly.

Writers don't put those things in. There's a reason that they're talking about Julius Caesar. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wouldn't be random. It's like when we're talking about a cough or. Yes, it's never. A hiccup or whatever.

Yeah. Actors don't improvise those things. Or itching their ear like in, Yeah, it's, there's always a reason. Okay. So it's foreshadowing is what you're saying. I think it is. And I'm going to guess that the clue is that, is that,

Tane is Julius Caesar and Garrick is going to be Brutus. He's going to kill his mentor. They do walk along the upper level. Kira joins them. Kira arrives. She says that the Yelosian ambassador's quarters, the atmosphere that Bashir had requested was so strong. it dissolved the carpets, which I thought was funny. She's like, we're going to have to talk about this.

That's so gross. A little more. And then just before they can continue, there's a big explosion down below. Yeah. And it is Garrick's shop. Yeah. Bum, bum, bum. Yeah, we actually pick it up in Garrick's shop.

We see Bashir runs down there and we, Bersheer finds Garrick laying on the ground. and Garrick, he's alive, he's conscious, and delivers one of the best lines in the episode after Bashir says, are you okay? He says, well as well as could be expected, but I'm afraid your pants won't be ready tomorrow after all. Yes, Garrick. Very cute.

We come back after the opening credits. We see a little CSI work happening in Garrick's shop. I like that. Miles and Odo and Cisco are there. Yep. And they're searching for clues. Miles says that the conduit behind a wall had exploded. And O'Brien detects some nitralin.

That's a great guess. Right? Nitralin seems like. I am not going to argue that with you. Yeah. Thanks. You're the science officer. So if you say so, I was thinking, right?

I trust you. That looks good to me. Actually, if I was confused, I would ask Garrett. She just knows how to read words. It's like, oh. I want Dax in this scene. I want O'Brien to go, I'm detecting traces of Nitralin. And then Dax's head pops in and says, that's good to me.

And then leaves like that. Well, he finds this Nitralin stuff, which could have been planted there to make it look like an accident. Right. Well, they talk about a residue from a micro explosive device. So it's so tiny that you could miss it. Yeah. And that's why they could make it look like an accent because it's so tiny. And it's extremely unstable.

Yes. This particular. Nitralin. Nitrolin. Cisco says nobody's leaving the station until we, you know, lock this place down. Nobody's leaving until we figure this out. Right. And we go in the infirmary next.

Garrick says He's basically saying I don't know why anyone would try to kill me I'm a simple tailor Odo and Cisco are trying to get him to help Like tell us who this might have been But he just keeps saying I can't imagine who could have done this

Maybe it was the Nossackan Whose wedding suit I misplaced her Maybe Major Kira She really doesn't like me You like when Cisco says Could this attempt on your life Have anything to do with the reason You were exiled from Cardassia

And Garrick says I seriously doubt the finance ministry would try to have me killed for failure to pay my taxes. That is his answer, which is like, oh, my God. He's full of stories. He's so good at just coming up with anything, which is the best. Well, he does have good writers. He does. He does.

He really does. Yeah, so Cisco and Odo say we'll follow these leads, but stay close to the, we're going to give you a security detail, stay close to them. And that's when Bashir, they leave, and Bashir tells Garrick the story of the little boy who cried wolf, which is where the boy tells the same lie over and over about there's a wolf coming until they finally don't believe him when a real wolf comes. And Garik's line at the end, he's like, love this. Yes. Yeah. When he says, doesn't Bashir ask about the moral? Well, Bashir tells him, the point is, if you lie all the time, no one's going to believe you even when.

when you're telling the truth. And Garrick says, are you sure that's the point, doctor? And then Bashir says, well, could it be? No, that you should never tell the same lie twice. And then he leaves. Yes, isn't that genius? Oh, my God. I was like, wow, I never thought of it that way.

I know. Andy Robinson must have, every time he opened up a script and saw this awesome writing for his character, he must have just been going, yes. I mean, he got some great dialogue for an actor. Well, they all did, but they were all excited to have great characters. to yeah yeah yep uh we go to the security office next um garrick comes to otto's office to look through some passenger manifests odo says i'm not i'm staying right here because i'm not i don't trust you in my office you'll keep looking through other records i like when garrick is like well how do you

know i haven't already seen them so he's just toying with it's so funny he plays innocent but then he, like, pushes the boundaries all the time. He's like a cat. You know, cats do that lot. Yeah. Miles O'Brien comes in. And it's funny how he walks in. Do you remember when he walks in the door, like, kind of looking at a pad and with a lot of energy?

And then he sees, he sees Garrick there. And he's like, oh, he pulls over to the spot. I'm not going to talk in front of this guy. Yeah. He gets all reserved. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, it's funny. Yeah.

He does say that they found traces of a pheromonic sensor, which I guess is pheromones. It can sense what type of species is nearby. So it is set to go off when a certain species gets close to it. And that's when Garrick jumps in, in this case, Cardassian, me. So now we know it's definitely targeted towards him specifically. Targeted towards Kardashians. and Odo says that's the method that's favored by Flaxians. Those damn Flaxians.

Laxian. I just like their name. Flaxian assassins. Not just any flaxian assassins. That's like a seashells by the seashore kind of thing. Flaxian assassins, flaxseeing assassins. Try I'll say it 10 times fast. Sounds like that's why I was only in one scene.

Flaxseed assassins. Like they throw flaxseed assassins. If you want to lower your cholesterol, you can use a flaxseed assassin. To assassinate your cholesterol? I like that. Odo does say that this was favored by Flaxians to kill people and that a Flaxian is on board. So we finish that scene knowing that,

uh-oh, there is a flaxian here. And then we go to the wardroom. Guess where Odo's going to see that flaxian, that damn flakshund. Yeah. This is a great scene. This is a really good scene. I'll do this one.

This is Carlos. It's your friend Carlos, who you, you had no clue it was him as Ritaya. He's the Flaxian. He is being interrogated by Odo, but Odo's doing it a roundabout way. Odo's sort of looking at what he's got. I love it.

Isn't it a great way, Terry? It was so good. So good. And he's talking about how he has these fabrics, he has fine wares, but he also deals in these fragrances. And that's when Odo uses this whole crazy, it's not even a line of questioning,

but it's not directly about what, you know, you think it is. So he's saying, you know, Okay. It's clever and in a lot of trying to be clever way, but it just really well written. Yes. Good job, writers, again. So, yeah, so jealous right now.

It's like so good. Yeah, so basically what it comes down to is mixing these little fragrances together. If you mix two and then add a third one, the third one will actually cause this noxious gas that's poison that will kill the person who inhales it. So this is how Odo discovers the. flaxian means of how he was going to take Garrick out. So it was not by explosion. He was going to use this poison to take out Garrett. It's also funny how Odo sets him up because he's like, oh, I just have a few questions.

And while I talk to you, I can't smell these sins. So can you describe them to me as a, so he pulls it out. You know, he's talking about one thing, but he's actually setting up the, describe this one? Right. Oh, it's musky. That one's musky. Right, right. I love the whole.

Spicy. Yes, every step. Floral, was it? Floral, something like that. Floral musk and spice. This whole scene was, I guess, I would describe it as methodically delicious. It was so awesome to watch this kind of develop. You're like, oh, my goodness.

So smart. Basically, Odo figures out that he was going to try to kill him with this thing, but can't pin this explosion on him. So he says, you know, you can go for now, but I'll let you know when you can leave the station. Right. Yeah. So the next thing, we're on the promenade. We do see, we're on the upper level, but we see down and we get a shot of the Flaxian walking through the crowd.

O'Brien walks up to Odo and says everything's set. We find out that O'Brien has been, you know, instructed by Odo to place a tracking device on the Flaxian ship. And the only caveat is that you have to stay within half a light year or else you're going to lose that signal. So you have to follow them. So that's, you know, a cool little scene where we jump into the runabout in the next scene. and Garek's already in there Garek's already in there digging through his duffel bag

and Odo walks in. Yeah, wasn't that a little disturbing that he was already sitting there? Yeah. He was like, what? And he jumps, you know, he jumps and zips his bag up. Yeah.

Which at first I thought, what has he got in that bag? Like, there must be something, but I don't think anything pays off. It was just... Okay. But you thought he was doing something... I thought he was hiding

either a weapon or something inside. Well, isn't that part of his charge? you never know if he's just jumpy or if something's afoot yeah yeah exactly it always looks like he's hiding something yeah yeah but but garrick does tell um odo that he wants to come along to trail this flaxian and he's basically it's funny because odo's like what are you doing here and odo even says like what makes you think i'm going to follow him garrick's already figured it all out he knows what you know i happen to know that you're too dogged an investigator that don't to let the only witness get away like he's already thought through what odo will do and uh he wants to join him

but what are you doing here to me it was almost like odo going what are you doing here i'm only i'm only in runabouts with other series regulars not guest stars it was like a just a random sort of thing what are you doing here but i will say the team up of those two is pretty cool i like the chemistry and the dynamic and the energy between these two characters together. Yes, definitely. Two very talented actors. Oh, yeah. Were they good friends in life?

I feel like they must have been. Oh, they must have been. Because they both came from theater. They did a lot of theater stuff together and knew a lot of the same people. Like Andy Armin and Renee and their wives, I think they did a lot of stuff together and got along. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it seems that way to me. I would guess. Like, you know, we're flying. They're doing conventions. at the same time in Europe back then over the summer. Yeah. That's cool.

Okay. Very sweet. Odo wants Garek to get out of this runabout. Garrick does not. They argue, which is very entertaining. Garrick says, look, I can help. And if you wait much longer,

he's going to be out of range. I did notice Garek staring at the monitors through a lot of it. Odo was like looking at Garek, but Garek was just like almost dismissing him like he had his eyes on the on the radar but he was just like

I'm going to go with you you need my help and it was very funny I liked it by the way can I pause and just say so Avery directed this episode I feel like this episode was the most

polished that I'd seen Avery do in terms of just shot selection how he's moving the camera yes yeah it was the most polished however I will say

it was almost so polished it was not inventive in any way there was nothing very inventive about it or... Okay, it's run of the bill? It's plain. Yes, it felt like very plain to me.

Predictive. Yeah, predictable. Nothing surprised. Predictable. That's why I couldn't finish that way. But I will say I like the progress though, Robbie. I do like the progress. He definitely got more polished.

Yes. But it felt less yeah ultimately less interesting even though some of his attempts in my opinion some of the earlier attempts were more ambitious and may have missed the mark or fallen short

at least the ambition you could see oh I see what you're trying to do here whereas this episode I felt like he almost oh I know how to do this now I'm just gonna it felt a little more phoned in if I can be reasonable okay the good news is

he's actually getting more confidence in some of the like the traditional kind of fundamentals right which in the beginning he was sort of ignoring tradition and doing things that were I could see what he was trying to do sometimes succeeded sometimes didn't but at least but it was not traditional yeah now he's doing more traditional stuff but he's lost that maybe that spark of just his point of view. Yeah, his point of view. And so it just comes off a little more vanilla. Okay. That's fine. So we're in the runabout. They literally have left the station for, I don't know, like 10 seconds. They barely have left. They are tracking the Flaxian ship. They see it. And it's Garrick who says, oh, well, because, you know, like Robbie said, he's been staring at every monitor. If I'm reading this correctly, and I'm no expert, it looks like the Flaxian ship is about to go into warp. And then we see a graphic or we actually see a visual effect of the Flachian.

Axian ship, which is traveling along, and it starts to, you see the nacelle sort of kind of get a little brighter like it's about to go to warp, but before it completes its cycle, the entire ship blows up, which is quite shocking to everybody, including the characters, obviously. I think Garrick's face is completely like what, like he's clueless. He has no idea what's happening. But yes, we do see that that is the end of their, their little trip together. I was hoping that they would have a long, for long time in that shuttle together, but no. No, it ended. Well, we go to the wardroom next, and Garrick is standing like a statue looking out the window away from the everyone else is at the table. This is a moment probably Avery said, hey, I want to have Garrick sort of in his own world, so I'll put him over here. Yeah. I thought this was interesting to me. Like, it's not conventional. It wasn't like Garrick was sitting around the table just like everyone else.

What you expect. Yeah, what you expect. He was, it was interesting, but it definitely got my attention of like, oh, Garek's looks like a statue. And Garek usually isn't, doesn't behave that way. So it definitely got your attention. Right, right. Okay. Yeah, everybody's trying to figure out what happened.

We learned the neutrino inverter is something that Romulins use. And Cisco asks Garek why the Romulans might try to kill him. Right. Well, he has enough. No, right? He has no clue. Yeah, he doesn't know. Yeah. And Cisco gets really mad at one point because Garrett goes, I have no idea.

And Cisco goes, I am tired of hearing you say that. How do you, how long do you? He like goes off on. Yeah. I was like, whoa, Cisco, you've been holding this in for a while. But that's because he was directing it. He couldn't direct himself. He didn't have anyone telling him what to do and pull him down.

Yeah, maybe modulate. that a little it was it was it was here big yeah yeah he was big he was big he went from zero to a thousand yes yes but it was maddening he wasn't helping them no everyone's out everyone else is at 55 and he went from zero to a thousand everyone's that no one's above a hundred in this scene and it's like oh no it's the only scene i'm in and i was like totally well do you have evidence to support that theory well terry maybe you should have did it the other way you should have do you have evidence to support that's there maybe you should have went there too so just imagine well oh my god well garrick says i don't know anything uh have no idea and odo says he's telling the

truth if he knew he'd be spitting out some long you know made up story to cover up the truth so he's He's telling the truth. He doesn't know. And Garrick at the end of the scene says, well, if you want to know what the Romulans have against me, you're going to have to ask them. And Cisco's like, great, let's do that. But he doesn't expect them to tell the truth. And we cut right to the, it goes right from him saying, I don't expect them to be entirely forthcoming. Hard cut to the Romulan woman going, yeah, we did it.

Yeah, that was hilarious. I don't expect them to be very fourth company. Yes, we destroyed the Flaxian ship. It was totally just like right there in the open. Very funny. It was very funny. And we're proud of it. Yes, exactly.

Do you see the change that happened in the Romulan clothing or uniforms? Do you guys notice that? I did not. Oh, I did not. Not only at Taosciars, but the guards later, they're also in much slimmed down. Well, it's interesting to say this because there's a lot. line in the middle of this where about Romulan

uniforms, where the heck is it? Yeah. Cisco says, why would the, Cisco asks Odo, why would the Romulans want to have Garrick killed? And Odo goes, I don't know. Considering those uniforms of theirs, you'd

think that they'd appreciate a decent tailor. I was like, what is? Oh, yes, yes. I couldn't tell if that was a shot. It is. It is. You're like, oh, they hate those uniforms. Do you have trivia on this? I do. I do.

That line jumped out at me and I was like, what are they taught? What am I missing here about Romulan uniforms? I highlighted it in my notes. Right. Yeah, you did. This episode marks the appearance of a new style of Tulsiart uniform as well as the other standard Romulan guard uniforms, which we see later in this. The redesign was Ronald D. Moore's idea.

after he watched the episode visionary, he came to feel that the old style Romulan uniforms were unacceptable and he had Robert Blackman give the design an overhaul. Quote, I hated, underline, hated the Romulan costumes. Big shoulder pads, the quilting, I just loathed it. I begged, insisted, screamed, and pleaded, end quotes. So Ron Moore hated it. Yeah.

So he hated it so much, he put it into the lines of the episode. He put it in the lines. I was like, and I said to Rebecca, I was like, is that a shot at the uniforms? The new uniforms, they're trimmer, they're slimmer, the shoulder pads don't come out. Well, the 80s shoulder pads. That's from the 80s and Norma Kamali and all of that, right? Yeah, so, right? Oh, Norma Kamali.

I know. I used to have so many of them. I know. I bet you did. I can totally see walking down Lafayette Street with shoulder pads out. Oh, my God. Gosh. This is the very first Star Trek two-part episode with different names for part one and two.

Does that make, every time we see a two-parter, it's past tense, part one, part two. Or blah-b-b-da-a-a-part two. This is the only one that has one name for the first, and it's a completely different name. Yeah, it's weird. Improbable cause. Is it the only time they've done it? This is the only time, the first and only, as far as I know. It was really irritating to come to the end of it and say, too.

be continued. I was like, what? I hear you. I know. You should have that part one on this. That next episode, the die is cast, but still, it's pretty cool that this is the only episode like that. Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and interesting because we have this, the through storyline, the way we tell the story is they're not one-offs. Right. So everything is to be continued. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Your whole series. series is to be continued to be continued yeah they should they should have called your show the first episode deep space nine and then after that deep face nine part two deep face nine part three part three just go part 175 yeah or chapters chapter two exactly like a book well our next series let's do that

The Romulan lady says, admits, yes, we did kill Ritea, but she denies that they tried to kill Garrick. And Cisco and Odo don't really believe her. They talk about the uniforms in this scene, which is so funny. Considering those uniforms of theirs, you'd think they'd appreciate a decent Taylor. That's a great lie. Cisco does talk a lot about how mysterious Garrick is in the scene with Odo. And he says, you know, how the Obsidian Order doesn't like to talk about their agents.

Odo admits at the end of the scene that he's got a contact at the Obsidian Order, which is the first time we've ever heard that, anything like that. Oh, yeah. That was my question. We've never heard that. This is the first time we've heard this. I don't think so. No, I don't remember ever hearing that. Okay.

But it's nice. He's had this in his back pocket. Yeah. This is ace in the hole for sure. Yeah. And he's kept this. in the hole to save a Cardassian. What?

Yeah. Why do you use it like to save the station or? Yeah. Yeah. Seems weird that. But anyway, he's got the contact. He won't tell Cisco anymore about it. And Cisco says, sure, give it a shot.

Well, and you know, it makes sense because Odo was on deep space when it was Terek Knorr. And it was occupied by the Cardassians. So of course, Odo had relationships with all. all of those people. Correct. So he probably needed that informant when he was actually on Terek Nore

before it was deep space. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes sense. He requests a runabout at the end, right? So he says, I have my contacts in the government. I need to runabout and Odo grants that. Does Odo have the power to grant runabout usage? I don't know if that's...

No, Odo doesn't grant it. Cisco grants it. Sorry. Okay. The commander. Odo says, I'd like to request the use of runabout, and Cisco says granted. Yeah.

And Odo says, thank you. And off he goes to find his mystery connection. Mystery Mad. So now we're in the caves. And this is this meeting with this informant that we've never heard about until now. And it's interesting because I never got the fact that he said, I don't want you to see me. Don't look at me. You know, it was just weird.

Like early on. Yeah. The entire thing is shot with, because in the beginning, the way Renee played it, he's sort of like, where are you? And he's like, nearby. I've changed my appearance since we last saw each other. I don't want you to see me. But the rest of this scene, René plays it like he's still looking for him. And I'm like, why is he doing that?

I'm so confused. It's like, just look up until the very end when the guy goes, hey, I got something for you. And he throws that ad to him. That's what Odo all of a sudden clocks where he's at. I mean, that doesn't make any sense. So it was really awkward. Yes.

It was so awkward to me. He could definitely tell where he was coming from. I thought it was awkward too. I agree. Thank you. So I was like, okay. I felt like, I felt Avery was trying to be artistic. He's like, all right, I'm going to have just the eyes.

You're not going to see anything but the eyes. Everything else will be in shadow. He's on a whole different level. But to me, it was confusing. I didn't understand what was happening. That was my take on this one. Also, if the guy doesn't want to be seen, why does he stand out in the wide open? Why does he hide behind a rock?

He, exactly. He should have been behind a rock. So you hear where. Exactly. Yes. With his back to where Odo was, even. Yeah, or turned around, exactly. It just should have been directed differently.

It was very weird. I agree. As you were talking about Robbie, Avery has take some steps from the prior directorial efforts. He's more polished. Elegant and polished. Yes, more elegant. But this is the scene where I said, what are you doing, man? This is the one scene that pulled me out of it again.

I'm like, ugh. I often say to like directors, when I'm not directing and there's a director, sometimes I'll just tell a director. I'll give a note of, like, I don't think this is reality. If someone's trying to hide their appearance, they're not going to stand out in the wide open. They're going to hide. They're going to turn away. They're going to do something. And the person who.

They're going to have a cloak on. Yeah. So they're going to have a cloak on. Yeah. And the person who shouldn't be looking is going to be tempted to look, is going to try not to look. But, like, that's what normal people would do. You don't have to make it theatrical and weird. It's already weird enough.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Well, we learn from the informant that he did not try to blow up Garrick. And Odo says he feels like it was the Romulans. The informant's like, oh, good, Odo. So I see that working with the Bajorans hasn't dulled your senses, your instincts. So we know that he's on the right path there. It was the Romulans. But we also realize that there's a much bigger thing happening under wraps here. Because this is what the informant is trying to tell. tell him. There's all types of troop movements going on near the border, the Cardassian border, lots of Romulan ships. And so Odo thinks that this sounds like an invasion. And the informant's like, yeah, well, we kind of realize that this may be it. We're ready for it if it happens. And of course, Odo says, you know, does war ever make sense? Because the informant says it doesn't make any sense why these troops have been massing. We don't understand why they're doing this. Why would they attack us?

So we're kind of left with more questions than answers, but we do know that there's a lot of unusual things going on and that the Romulins were behind it, the actual attempt on Garrick's life, I suppose. And yeah, but again, the question is why. So the informant throws a pad down to Odo, and he basically gives him the names of the other five Kardashians who were also. associated with the obsidian order and they were all mysteriously ended I guess is the best way he said some of them died quickly some of them died slowly

two of them died for health reasons three had accidents right three died from natural causes and two perished in accidents so even the natural causes is what obviously were still contract killings I feel so it's also they they end the scene with

the informant saying You know, if you learn something from your tailor and wish to share it with me, I would be indebted to you again. So it's like this, this informant's going to be maybe a recurring. He's going to come back. Yes. Helping him. Right. It felt to me like that was the suggestion there.

It did seem that way. Yeah. We go in the security office next. Garrick is happy that they're all dead when he sees the names. That was funny. But he does deny being. in the obsidian order, and Odo now explodes. So Cisco's exploded at him.

Now Odo explodes. Odo shoves his chair. Do you remember that moment where he like... I think it's good, though, that he does. Yeah. Lots of yelling. This makes sense. I agree.

I don't think that that made sense that Avery did, or that Captain Cisco did. But I definitely get why Odo is just, this is too much. Because he's running around doing all this work, too. Right. Yeah. He needs them to be honest with him. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

But this is also the scene where Odo does reveal to Garek that he knows. He says, you blew up your own shop, Garek, so he knows. He found the evidence. And my gosh, what a great interchange. He goes, oh, I don't think I've ever seen that particular expression on your face. Is it surprise? I mean, it was just great writing, great acting. Great acting.

The two of them really go at it. Garrick makes a turn. He does tell Odo that they were all associates. of and what's his name, Tain? Tain, yeah, Anabran. Anabran, that's how I'd say it. Anaubran, Tane. Yeah, the former head of the Obsidian Order.

And Garrick decides to help him, so he goes to punch in a code. And I love this when Odo's impressed. What does he say about the code? He says, oh, that's a very interesting way of scrambling a signal. Garrick's, you know, feeling pretty proud of himself. Yes, I thought you might appreciate it on the aesthetic level. Is that the end? Where is that that he does that?

Is that the... He does it just before the end when they... When Mila comes on a monitor. Yeah, just before Mila comes in. Yeah. But it's funny that he's got this very elaborate... Oh, yes. ...codes.

Clearly, he's been lying to them for a long time if he's got codes like this. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Mila enters. It's an older, you know, Cardassian woman. She knows him obviously very well. She calls him Elam, calls Garrick Elam.

Yes. Juliana McCarthy, as Mila, when she appears in this, is absolutely just shocked because she didn't think she would ever see Garrick again. This is actually the first of three appearances for this character. So she will appear two more times in DS9. She was really good. Yeah. She was really good.

She basically says, you know, he's in trouble. Promise you'll help him. Carrick says, I promise. And then Garrick says, all right, I'm going to need a runabout. I noticed like, we're going to need a runabout. Exactly. They're going together. Yeah.

Yeah, because Meele gave him the information that he took off in a great hurry. Wouldn't tell me where. But Garrick has an idea. Yeah, we go to a corridor next. Bashir is very worried about Garrick. It's a nice walk and talk with Bashir and Garrick. Ask if he can do anything to help Garrick. Garrick says, if I'm not back in 72 hours, there's a secret panel in my quarters.

find this isilinear rod and eat it. Bashir's like, you want me to eat it? Garrett's like, no, I was joking. But then Bashir gives him the chocolate. So it's a nice character moment. I like that. It was sweet. Okay, so that line is a line that existed in their original idea.

So this episode was supposed to be a standalone episode, not a two-parter. But the writers realized that the story's original ending was too weak. And so they decided to expand upon the plot to accommodate a second part. It was actually, I think Michael Pillar. It was Michael Pillar's last decision as executive producer for this show to turn this show into a two-parter, which made them flip over. But in the one parter, the standalone, before it became a two-parter, Garek tells Bashir that if anything should happen to him, there's an isolinear rod behind a wall in the quarters which the doctor should give to Cisco. go okay so there's that they were going to end it that way instead of saying eat it right so they but they kept that line in there but yeah it was uh originally meant to be a one parter not a two

parter got it yep well we're inside the uh the runabout and odo and garrick are heading to the unephyra system um garik says there's a safe house there otto asks about the woman About Mila. Is it Mila? Mila? Yeah. Yeah. Odo asks about Mila.

Garrick says it was Tain's housekeeper. And Garrick admits that Tain was responsible for his exile, for Garek's exile. And Odo guesses that maybe you owed Tain something. He thinks that Garek was maybe his protege. And Garek's response is just, hmm, interesting theory. So he still doesn't admit anything. I think he's in the ballpark, though. It felt like he was...

Oh, he's totally in the ballpark. That's why Garrick tries to turn the tables, and he starts trying to analyze Odo. And he says, you know, you just look at everything logically. You're all about justice and order, but you don't know what it's like to really care about anyone. Do you care about anyone? Is there anyone you care about? We know who he cares about, but he's not going to say it. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. And he tells him that. He says, I'm not going to tell you. And that's what Garrick said, that's a wise. decision not to tell me. Can I just finish the little point that I was reading you guys earlier? So, I still need a ride behind the wall, tell, give it to

Cisco. Then at the end of the episode with Garrick and Odo trapped on the Romulan Warbird, Garrick then tells Tane that if he doesn't let them go, the information on the rod will be revealed to Starfleet. And then Tane releases them and the audience never finds out what's on the rod. The writers hated this ending

and they felt it was undermined the otherwise superb episode and they were unable to come up with anything more satisfactory. So Ron Moore said everything we tried was just a writer's device or a cliche or a convenience or a cheat. That was until Michael Pillar, in his last decision as executive producer suggested, they turned the show into a two-parter.

This necessitated a quick rewrite of the end of the episode so as to lead into part two, which is the dais cast. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I'm curious to see what happens to this isolinier rod in part two. Yep. Interesting. One more quick note.

The two writers credited for this story are Robert Letterman and David R. Long. Their original idea for this episode revolved around the punishment exacted upon Garrick by the Obsidian Order for his killing of Ntec in the episode's second skin. Do you remember that one Cardassian Obsidian Order guy that was trying to trick Nana into believing that she was a actual Cardassian agent, double agent, and she had the father and all that? So in the very end, the Obsidian Order leader was N-Tech. That was the one that Garrick shot and vaporized in the home of the leg. So they're thinking, this is that payback.

Well, this is what, yes, this is the whole, this was the whole thrust of what this episode was supposed to be about, about N-Tech and second skin, right? But they changed it. They was like, okay, they connected it to defiant, defiant because in defiant, That's the episode where the Kardashians were trying to hide what was going on. The Obsidian Order was trying to hide what was happening in the Uriah system. Okay. So they attached it to that instead of the whole N-TEC killing.

So this is the reason why we have. Yeah, a little pivot. I like the original reason. With N-TIC? Yeah, that is a pretty cool reason. Yeah. It makes sense. Why make it more complicated?

Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll find out. we'll find out and we'll eat the isolinia rots ourselves we might we very well might have to we're still on the runabout a little time has passed i like that garrick comes back with a cup of coffee i just like something about a couple of coffee yes it makes it look like you're actually living in it when you those things happen i like that too yeah it was just a little detail but he comes back with a cup of coffee suddenly two romulan vessels uh decloving

right next to them and two Romulins in their fancy new uniforms from their trim tailored looks, yes. They beam on board. Uh-oh, we're in trouble.

And then we go to the Warbird. There's kind of this long hallway walk which I thought was really cool. We don't see that hallway, at least in this part, any more. So I hope they didn't build a giant hallway that was beautiful. just for them to walk silently in this scene.

We must go out in that hallway later on. Maybe they just redressed something. Do you think they could have redressed one of our hallways? It looked very different. Yeah. Yeah. It looked good, though. I like it.

It looked good. Yeah, my producer brain always goes to, wow, that was an expensive set to build for just a walk. Yeah, I do too when I see stuff like that. They must have built it for more that's going to happen in the next part. There's probably some fighting. And biting and chasing is what I'm getting at in the next part in the hallway. Did you cheat and watch it already?

No, I didn't. I'm just telling you. I know that they would not build a hallway. I'm just asking. I think the audience might like to know whether we cheated and watched ahead of time. I didn't either. I did not either. So none of us have seen the next one.

Gaw? I haven't. I haven't. No, smile at me right now. I don't believe you. What? No. Come on.

That was a forced smile because you demanded his smile. No, listen to me, guys. Why would I jump ahead and watch that next? No, we're teasing you. You're messing with me right now. Well, right now it was more about your smile, like, not looking at. You went. Yeah.

They go inside this Warbird ready room. Tane and Garrick start trading compliments in the beginning. It's like compliments mixed with insults. It's a very funny exchanges. It is. they're they're dancing around the truth and odo even makes a comment like you guys spend a lot of time trying to hide the true meaning of what you're actually saying to each other which means you're saying nothing yeah that's right to the point that everything you're saying is nothing is that he says it's a very very long scene i'll just summarize some of it's really long yeah just summarize please tain admits that he's partnered with romulins that they're going to go in the gamma quadrant they're going to try to wipe out all founders in one fell swoop and and uh and it might start a war and garrick asks well why kill me why why were you trying to kill me and why kill all the other people you killed tain says you and the

rest of them knew too much we had to eliminate them and there is a moment where garrick says i never betrayed you not truly not in my heart or something like yeah that's what he said and i thought Andy Robinson did a great job because in that moment I was like, oh, that's Garrick being honest. He really still admires this guy. Yeah. It was good. I think that's why Tane clocked that honesty, too. I think that's how good.

Eric is. Tane is definitely a father figure. He's like the best actor. Yeah. He's good. He's really good. I'm super curious to see Part 2. Me too.

Yes. Tain offers to let him go, right? he says yes garrick you can leave otto's got to stay here he's a he's a changeling he otto can't leave right and tain says i forgive you all is forgiven you can go back you can hop you know back to your shop back to your tailor shop or you can join me in the fight it's your choice whatever you want and garrick thinks about it and he walks over chooses to return to the fight otto is stunned at the end there Yeah.

He is stunned. Just to be clear, though, it's not just, it's not Kardashians and Romulans pairing together to fight against the Dominion. It is specifically the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order. So the rest of the Romulan, a central command of the Kardashians, no one knows. The regular Romulan people, they don't know either. It's just the secret services of those two species. eyes, yes, by units. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So like the CIA's. Yes, the C, exactly. Let's talk about our theme, lesson, or moral of this episode that we got from this first of the two-parters. Yes, Terry. Well, I was just going to say, the only thing that stood out to me was Sid telling the story of the little boy who cried wolf. And really, all Garrick has really done through this whole thing is lie.

Yeah. Yeah. But who's right? Bashir, like if you tell too many lies, you get you in trouble? Or is Garrick right? Don't tell the same lie twice. They're both right. I think in this episode, it's don't tell the same lie twice.

Because we're trying to survive in a world that is like subversive to everything else that's going on. And the only way that Garrick moves to the world is to continuously lie to survive. It's almost like he's a 13-year-old kid who just can't help being a pathological liar. Although he does have reasons. We just don't know what they are. So don't tell the same lie twice. That's probably the lesson. That's the moral.

If you're going to. And we all do as human beings. sadly. Hopefully it's over nothing that important. It's just to make people not feel bad. Yeah. Robbie, what did you come up with? I came up with, I wrote down,

choosing between who you thought you were and who you truly are is hard. Wow. Yeah, who you thought you were, who you truly want to be. Is this about Garrick? I think so. Who he really wants to be?

Yeah. Yeah, I can't tell who he wants. wants to be right now because I don't believe that he really is partnering with Tane again, honestly. I don't, I think he's, I think he's got a bigger plan than that, so. Yeah, I think he's still lying. I don't believe that he's like, he was so excited about all the other guys dying. So this one guy, the one who sent him away where he told us it was tax fraud.

Yeah. I don't believe that. Yeah. I can be wrong, but I don't believe it. I just happen to be a series regular on the show. I just don't know. Jared was her theme moral. Yeah, I just said, the truth will set you free.

Honesty is the best policy. That's all. Oh, there you go. That's the lesson that everyone should take. No, I agree with you. Can I switch over to you? Yeah. Okay.

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