The Delta Flyers - Investigations

Episode Date: January 4, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Investigations. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Investigations:Neelix suspects Paris of trading information to the Kazon when Paris takes leave to pilot with a Talaxian convoy.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca Jayne.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, and Lucas ShuckAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Gregory Kinstetter, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Katie Johnson, Craig Sweaton, Ryan Hammond, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Crystal Komenda, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Robert Deveau, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Oliver Campbell, Robert Hess, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, and Heather Chappelle Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. How are you doing today, sir? Hello, sir. Happy post-Christmas. Welcome back post. holidays. I have eaten a lot of food. I have stuffed my face. We have celebrated. We've driven around and looked at all the Christmas decorations in Vancouver. We did what Rebecca calls an ooh-a tour where you drive around when you see the pretty lights, you go, ooh. Ooh. Yeah, you got to do that. So we did that. That was a fun night.

What did you eat? Tell me what you ate. Oh, we had ham and the turkeys and the cranberry sauce and all the classics. Yeah. Yeah. Just that's what the holidays are all about, right? Food. We made cookies. We decorated cookies. Yeah. It's been a fun holiday. Yeah. See, when it comes to like traditional holiday foods, like a ham and turkey, it's difficult because Megan's vegan, right?

And when you're vegan, you can't have ham and he can't have turkey. And nobody to this date has come up with a really good ham, like a vegan ham, an imitation ham. There's a great imitation burger. I think you've had a Beyond Burger before, right? I love Beyond Burgers, yes. They're lovely. Oh, delicious. I don't know how they make the Beyond Burger taste.

So it's got the fatty yumminess of like a beef of a brown beef that's just, it's buttery in your mouth. It's delicious. You agree. It's like if someone was to hand you, here's a Beyond Burger, here's a regular burger. Take your pick. You would pick Beyond Burger almost every time. Yeah, I love them. And I just got a text for Megan saying imitation ham is amazing. I did not know. There's a good imitation ham. Okay, well, I stand corrected. Oh, good to know that. I'm sure there's good. I remember once years ago, I was stuck on location by myself during Thanksgiving. I couldn't fly home or, you know, be with family. So I decided to go to the store and I was on one of those. I am not a vegetarian, but I was, I was working and I'm by myself and I was on one of those health kicks. So I decided to get like this small imitation turkey, like vegetarian turkey. And it was like a little ball and you stick it in the oven and you bake it or whatever and I did that. It was the most disgusting

gross. And it made me even sadder. I'm like, I'm by myself in a hotel room on Thanksgiving. And I'm eating this imitation turkey that just, it made me nauseous to eat it. It was so bad. So there are some good ones out there for vegetarians, I'm sure. I don't mean to offend or insult vegetarians because there's some amazing food. But there's also, let's admit it, some really bad junk out there that's just disgusting Robbie, would that rank as your saddest Thanksgiving then? I think it might have been. Yeah, it was pretty

it's funny because people think like, oh, showbiz is so glamorous and there's moments where it can be very glamorous, but it's kind of like the carnival. It's like being a carnival worker. Like you're always traveling in strange places. You don't get the comfort and warmth of

some of the traditions that a lot of people enjoy with family and friends. And it's not glamorous a lot of times. That was a pretty sad little by myself in a hotel room with a fake tofurky, tofu turkey.

Well, I'm going to share my saddest one and two then. My saddest by far, yeah, we have to balance that out. My saddest Thanksgiving was in college when I was at college at UCLA and I had been invited to Thanksgiving from

more than one person. This is when my parents were still living back in Tennessee. So I obviously, I wasn't going back for Thanksgiving. So I had received two invitations from two buddies of mine to go back to their parents' house. Right. Come on. Come on down. And one female friend. But there was this one particular young lady that I was really hoping to get an invitation from, which I was waiting and waiting. So I turned down everybody else thinking I would be invited to this one girl that I kind of had a crush on. Right. And I never got the invite. And so what I did was I went to a local restaurant that was still open, that made just a turkey dinner to go and it was in a styrofoam box and I remember taking it back

to my condo and I was sitting there and of this I don't know 600 unit condo 590 people were gone there was like nobody was there no so I'm eating out of this styrofoam box this turkey dinner at college thinking about I could have been somewhere else if I wasn't so stupid and held out for this supposed to come that never came And I remember sitting there eating that turkey dinner and hearing all the leaves rust just being blown about by the wind outside of the patio. And that was the only thing. Yeah, it was very, very sad. And sometimes if you're from the, if you're like from the East Coast or a place where there's more seasons and weather and then you go to California, that first holiday in Southern California when you're from somewhere else, it can be very unsettling because there's no seasons in Southern California.

Like, you know, if you're used to a, you know, a crisp Thanksgiving dinner, you know, dinner and outside throwing the football and the cold or something, it's not like that. It's 75 degrees and sunny and, you know, or Christmas or New Year's in Southern California. You know, the weather is amazing, but you sort of miss. I like feeling the seasons change. I love when the snow comes and the, or the rain, the heart rain in the spring and seeing the blossoms and things like that. Hey, did you guys get snow in the cove? In Vancouver, there was some snow locally. Definitely the mountains are covered.

We actually drove down to White Rock and Crescent Beach area. And there was snow down there, which was really fun. We took Walter the dog and ran him around in the snow. So we definitely are getting a great hallmark Christmas experience for sure. Gotcha. Yeah, two days ago, we got hammered. We got hammered. There's snow everywhere here.

Wow. It's crazy, yeah, which is nice. Happy holidays. You know, happy holidays, everybody. This week. Yes, what are we doing this week? Yeah, we're doing the, we are reviewing the episode, Investigations. Investigations is the next one.

Yes, it is. Next one, right. So why don't we go watch this episode and come back and give everybody our two cents worth on this? Star Trek Voyager investigations. Let's go investigate. all right welcome back guys from watching investigations investigations yes it's uh wow that was a little bit of what i remembered i guess from you know put together from the title and and everything but not at all i had no idea that tom paris had such a big story i didn't remember any tom paris story i know

and i just want to say i want to apologize you you you You were literally done probably 36 minutes before I was done with this review watching this episode. Yeah, I don't know how I got through that one pretty fast. I was actually enjoying watching it. So I didn't pause. Sometimes I'll stop it and I'll make notes and stuff. But I was kind of caught up in it. So I didn't make as many notes.

I just sort of watched it. I didn't. I paused a lot. And I got distracted. And I paused a lot. There's the one part I probably pause and reround, reround 10 times. I'm going to go over and over and over again That's seen with you and Nelix in the room

When you're packing like right Right So yeah so it took me a lot longer to get finished So I apologize for that But we're here so that's good Here we are let's do our Let's do our little synopsis Your limerick and then

Oh yeah let me get to my limerick This is very exciting Yeah I'm excited to hear it's Okay here's my limerick For the episode Investigations meelix starts a morning news briefing tom quits and announces he's leaving jonas is caught he and neelix fought and the doctor can't get the attention he's seeking what percentage of that is mcneal and what percentage of that is rebecca 50 50 i'll split that down the middle yeah right down the middle

50 yeah i got to have i got to have a collaborator on this i can't I can't do a limerick by myself. Huh. Okay. Well, season three, I'm going to, I'm going to have to probably enlist the aid of Megan. She is Irish in background. So she'll have natural abilities in the limerick. Yes.

Yeah, natural limerring, limer. That is, that is one of the prerequisites of being Irish. You must be really good at limerick. Limericks, exactly. An Irishman or an Irish lady. Okay. What's your haiku? Yeah, I want to hear.

Here we go. Tom, Lee. Voyager. Search for spy intensifies. It's Jonas. He dies. Nice. You like the delivery there? It's Jonas. It was almost Shatneresk. It's Jonas. He dies. He dies. So, and did you notice, I rhymed, search for spy intensifies. There's a little rhymes in the haiku. You're warming up for the limerick you're going to have to do in season three yes i am and i was sitting there thinking why did i agree to do that am i an idiot i don't know why i sat there and i took it on and i knew that i just saw this weight just lift it was like an invisible weight lifted off your shoulder the minute i said

i'll take limericks for season three and you were like ah thank you all right thank you um i like this episode it was fun um yeah a briefing with neelix i i have to be honest i felt like there's a lot parallels between Neelix and myself in a way, like at the end with his crazy goofy laugh. I have a crazy goofy laugh. Neelix with his whole briefing with Neelix is kind of my idea of Delta Flyers. Like this is our briefing with New

it was doing like his podcast. He was doing his podcast. I can't believe it. Before podcasts for a thing. Yeah. So maybe that's what I got it from. Maybe subconsciously I got my idea from Neelix's ideas. Briefings with Neelix. We should change the name of this to

instead of Delta Flyers, it should be briefings with Tom and Harry. Yeah. Or, you know, to make it even shorter, just put Tom and Harry together. Briefings with Terry or briefings with Hob. HOM is Harry and Tom, so. Hom. Yeah. So did you notice anybody in this episode in the very beginning?

Did I notice anybody in the episode? Oh, well, yes. Okay. Yes, let's get there in a second. All right. Neelix is trying to boost morale briefings with Neelix. And then he runs into Harry in the hallway, in the, what do we call it? Our hallways are corridor?

Corridors. That's what, that's the Starfleet word. Yeah. So you're in the corridor. And I literally went, oh, my God, when that moment came up. It was the Prince of Jordan. I forgot. This was the episode, and that's the moment.

famous moment for all of us that the Prince of Jordan was on our show and I forgot that you were yeah you were chit-chatting with it. What were you talking about with him? Do you remember? Yeah, you know what's so funny is I don't remember this scene properly. Like for years

I've been telling this story about the Prince coming on the show. Yeah. And I always sit there at conventions and I talk about, yeah, you know, I get a memo and it says next week you will be in a scene with Prince Abdullah of Jordan who will be here in Starfleet uniform as a walk-on background actor. I said, wow, okay.

And I remember meeting him, and I said, Prince Abdullah, how are you? My name is Garrett, and he's like, oh, very nice to meet you. I said, how's it going? He said, I'm really nervous. I'm really, really, really nervous. I said, really, you are the crown prince of a country. You will soon be the king of your country. Yeah, which he is now.

He is the king. Yeah, he's the king. He's been the king of Jordan. King Abdullah. And I just, I honestly felt that was the most oddest thing to come out of his mouth. I thought, oh, like, you clearly have, you know, been in front of a camera in terms of talking to your nation and to the people, your followers, your subjects. And you're probably used to that. And Prince Abdullah or King of, let's just call him King.

He's king right now. So King Abdullah is fluent in English. I think he went to, he and his siblings went to university in the U.S. So they had U.S. upbringing for part of their lives. I feel like he went to U.S. Did he go to U.S.C.? Not sure, but he really, his English is perfect. He's very well-spoken, and he is a huge, huge fan of Star Trek.

I mean, a mega fan. And this was one of the things he wanted to do. he wanted to have a walk on. And I remember when he said he was nervous, I was like, wow. I said, you know what, Prince Abdullah, let me help you a little bit here. Let me give you like a little bit of an acting exercise or something to get your mind off of your nervousness. And it instantly took me back to the pilot episode of Voyager, Caretaker, where I was so

nervous in that intro scene where Tom comes in and orders the tomato soup. And I'm sitting off with the other, the first officer. Oh, yeah. Doctor. I was so nervous. I was so nervous. and they helped me by doing a little improv, you know? So I said, you know, this is my time to pay it forward

and help out this person, the prince, from being nervous. And I just said to him, I said, listen, you're not, you don't have any lines in here, thank God, so you don't have to say anything. But you are on camera. And anybody who's background, who is worth their salt as a background actor, is going to try to keep a life going and not just be a prop.

You know, you have to be able to, do something to make it look like you are in an imaginary circumstance for yourself of what you're doing, what your activity is, why you're here, where you're going. Yeah. Yes. So and I wanted to keep it simple. So I didn't go through all that kind of stuff that an actor needs to do to prepare beforehand. I said, just do this. Imagine that as I'm talking to you, as the camera comes up to us, I'm sort of just chatting with you. And I don't have any lines until Neelix talks to me. So let me just talk to you and I'm going to move my mouth and just you imagine something can you just think of something an amusing story or maybe a joke that somebody told you in the last couple of months that that you know

made you smile or made you feel good and and he says yes I can and I said okay so imagine now that when I'm moving my mouth I am repeating that story or that joke or whatever you have in your mind right now that I am going I'm telling you that same thing and now when you hear it I want you to try to imagine hearing this for the very first time and go through your emotions of what that feelings, the feelings that you had when you first heard this. And so this will keep your mind occupied so that you're not completely dear the headlights, you know, no syndrome. So, but the funny thing is I recall, I didn't have any lines. I recall this scene was a scene between Nelix and another person on the ship. Oh, that it was just the, yeah, the prince and I were

in the background and that at the end of the when the scene is over uh neelix leaves whoever else leaves and that's the end of the scene that i wasn't part of the scene and you thought you were background as well oh that's funny because you had a big speech to him about being a journalist and what you say in that scene to him is very important in the story i don't remember any of that i don't remember any of that but being part of this i remember just being the very background and i also remember I also remember Prince Abdullah having more of a reaction. I thought, and I've been telling this story at conventions for years, that the camera comes on me, I move my mouth, the prince remembers whatever I said, it was a funny story,

and he got, and he does a little laugh. He doesn't really do a laugh. He just kind of like looks at me and just kind of nods at me. But he does smile. It definitely was a light reaction, but it was very subtle. Yeah. Yeah. So you felt very natural. He didn't seem nervous at all. whatever you said to him seemed to have focused, I think so, yeah. Yeah, it did help. It did help, yeah. And he looks good in a Starfleet uniform.

It looked great. Yeah, for a royalty, it looks great. They look like you fit right in there. He fit right in. So, you know, that was fun to see. That was really fun to see because I, you know, it's legendary when the prince at the time was on our show, but for all of us, but I hadn't seen that. I don't think since we filmed the show.

So that was great. It was a surprise to see. And that scene was very important because you pushed Neelix to do the hard, to do hard news, not just lighthearted stuff on his briefings with Neelix. And you tell him the job of the journalist is independent. So that's why he keeps going after, you know, the truth here and eventually helps out Jonas and obviously. So I did this whole thing. And then years later, after filming this scene, I'm back in Taiwan visiting. It was a wedding of a cousin or something.

something like that. And then all of a sudden it comes out that my cousin's father, my uncle, met the prince. And I was like, what? Yeah. What a small world. That's crazy. A very small world. And so my cousin goes, yeah, you know, my dad also met Prince Abdullah. And I said, what? Wow. Because like my uncle is the youngest general in Taiwanese military history. So he went over to Jordan as a Taiwanese general for the Taiwanese army. And he went over there to basically some type of ceremonial type of like, we acknowledge you. Yeah, this kind of exactly. And Prince Abdullah presented my uncle with a Jordanian ceremonial dagger. Like it was like he has this dagger and its sheath and everything like that. And I didn't know any of this stuff.

And if I had known this beforehand, I could have brought this up. I would have said, you know, well, my uncle's, you know, General Wong, you know him. And I didn't know that until years later. So that's the side. Yeah, just want to throw that out there. Small world. Small world, for sure. Yeah.

Did you notice after they leave Prince Abdullah and Harry starts adjusting his comp badge? I think this is the first and only time that Harry Kim adjusts his, that anybody actually, I'm literally twisting it around and adjusting it. I'm not hitting it. I'm just like playing with it. And I thought, wow, why did I do that? Why did I make that choice? Yes.

Yeah, that is unusual. I've never seen anyone do that before. No. In fact, in this episode, to jump to much later, Jonas takes Neelix's com badge off and his own com badge off, which I've never, I don't recall other stories where we've purposely removed com badges like that, that I can. think of it. Yeah, there may be one other time, I think.

But still, it's rare to see that to be removed. And also rare for me to sit here and adjust and play with it. What the heck? And I don't think this is a directorial thing. We used to do that all the time when the wardrobe people would come up for what we call final touches, where right before we're about to roll, hair and makeup come up, and wardrobe comes up, and they used to use these rollers and get all the lint off of our costumes. And then sometimes they would take the com badge, the wardrobe people, and they'd go,

oh, that looks a little crooked, and they'd adjust the com badge. So we did adjust them all the time, but it was more of an off-camera thing that we would do. Oh, definitely. Definitely. And, you know, it's just so weird to me. And I don't think Les Landau, who directed this episode, would have said, Garrett, I need you to walk down the cord and adjust your com badge. I think that was just some weird, nervous twitch that I had that I did. And just to quickly credit who the teleplay is by Jerry Taylor, story by Jeff Schnellfer and Ed Bond. And of course, I just mentioned, directed by Uncle Les Landau on this episode.

The scene in the turp, that was a long scene for Kim. I had no clue that that even happened. Yeah, that was a nice long scene. And then I thought it was weird at the very end of that scene. Nelix gets a call from the bridge It's a female voice I don't know who it was Yes

I don't know who was calling Nelix And I don't think I ever remember any of our crew members getting some strange voice From anywhere saying Hey Harry you've got a call What? When does that happen?

Like when do we ever get called? It seems like that would be a big deal That sounds like Janeway Is calling It wasn't Janeway It was somebody else yeah and and they made it seem like we get calls from other ships all the time like personal calls like when do we get personal calls like if some vessel is contacting our ship it usually goes

through the bridge and the and the senior officers before they just you know randomly call somebody in a turbo lift hey you got a call coming in it was very strange uh anyway it was strange neelix goes to his quarters and laxeth is calling him and i loved at the end or not at the end, in the beginning, he says, oh, you old di-lythium scrubber. I love that line. I have that note, too. I wish Nelix would use that expression all. I wish that had become, oh, you old di-lythium scrubber.

What is, is that a, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing to be a dilithium scrubber. I don't know. That might be a T-shirt. I like it, though. It might be a T-shirt. De-lithium scrubber. Or ye old dilithium scrubber. The old dilithium scrubber.

I don't know. I like it. I like it a lot. And so, yeah, Laxeth says to Neelix, oh, and by the way, one of your crew members is leaving the ship. And Neelix is like, what? He's shocked. Totally shocked. He goes to Janeway's ready room and Tuvok is there.

And they give Neelix the news. Yes, Harris was relieved of duty. And he's decided he wants to leave the ship. and not be a part of Starfleet anymore. And Neelick seemed very sad at the end of that scene. I thought that was very sweet, especially with like having gone through parturition with the Tom and Neelix story.

Yeah, your bonding episode. Yeah. I thought that was really sweet that Neelix seemed very sad. Yeah. And Neelix comes to Paris's quarters to try to find out what's going on and like talk them out of it. and boy Paris was

Paris was yelling at him and just being a jerk I was like you yelled once like towards the end right in the closet area you got really loud in one line

and came back down but this to me was like a breakup scene like Paris was breaking up with Neelix because you even say to him look it's it's not you it's me

like you even had that that corny line that everyone said classic breakup line it's not you with me it's not you It's me, Nelix, not you. Because he thinks it's him because of all the, you know, the jealousy things and I ever.

But you guys already, you've already squashed that drama. So it's already passed. But it definitely seemed like it was a breakup. Paris was kind of harsh, though. And Nelix just kept, you know, being super sweet and nice. And at the end, Nelix even goes in and just hugs him. Just like at the very end of that scene, I thought that hug was very sweet. And you sort of saw because Paris obviously is putting on a show here for Nelix.

bit. But when Neelix comes in for the hug, you see Paris's face. And he's like, oh, this is really hard to keep this act up. I could see that. I thought that was a really, really nice moment. Yeah. I just also want to just pay some homage to your suede shirt and tweed pants combo. Yes, thank you. Was it suede? It looks suedeish to me. It probably was. I had memories as I watched this episode of that outfit, and it was not comfortable. I remember the pants sort of like at the hips. It was hard to bend my legs because they didn't really stretch. They were they were just like it was super tight around the hip areas, I recall.

And it was tweed. You're right. So it doesn't, it's not like, you know, stretchy fabric of any kind or any room in there. It's just I don't remember it being very uncomfortable and kind of itchy pants. I'm glad you have memories of that. Because that was my next question. What do you remember from that bizarre? outfit that you had on and it was uncomfortable because first I thought it was velour I was like is that

a velour shirt I go no wait a minute it looks more swatish actually I also noticed by the way I noticed I had a lot of chest hair poking out there I wrote that down too I'm like what the heck is hello chabaca what is that I mean is your your chest hair doesn't go that high does it like right now pull it down where is I don't see I almost cussed right now I don't I almost cussed right I don't see anything right now. No, I've got. It's very light right there. It's very blonde.

I don't know why I seem to have a lot of chest hair in that scene. Well, you 24 years ago, for some reason, 24 years ago, your chest hair was higher on your body. Yeah, it's actually, the older you've gotten, it's gone more and further and further south. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why. That was a surprising amount of chest hair. I, you know, I thought it was applied by makeup. I thought, did makeup apartment actually apply his chest hair?

No. You were very hairy. I was a hairy guy. You should have been Harry Paris. They should have made that shirt a little bit lower, and it could have been a classic sort of like Neil Diamond chest hair or something. It would have been awesome. Oh, Neil Diamond.

But we just got a little hint of it out of the top of that very uncomfortable outfit. That outfit seemed to be a bit of a nod to the marquee side of Paris's life, that it was sort of in the marquee color. a bit. I don't know. Oh, okay. No, that makes sense. That makes sense because it was this earth tone thing. And I was just wondering, is this, is this symbolism? Is there something? I think it was a bit of like, maybe these were his maquis clothes or something. It was a nod to that, I think. I'll go with that. I think that. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh, so much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's been insane trip after trip. You've been doing your impersonation of me. Yes. You know what?

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speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan taxes and fees extra see mint mobile for details we also see neelix talking to the doctor after this and uh nilix is trying to convince the doctor to be on his show and the doctor seems seems very reluctant at first yes then his ego gets the better of him and so he agreed to do it and even calls not only does he agree he goes full he goes 130% into it He's like, oh, I have all these ideas. All these ideas. I love his first idea, which is a wonderful topic of how to keep your nostrils happy. How to keep your nostrils happy.

It was brilliant. Brilliant. First. Yeah. Who wouldn't want to know how to keep your nostrils happy? And the hidden mysteries of the adrenal gland is another subject he wants. I mean, boy, I wish I could have seen these great lectures and interviews. I think it would have been compelling.

Like reading a medical journal, like in the episode where he told the, uh, the, uh, the dean lady. The dean lady he's in love with to go read his medical textbook. I loved the, the editorial that Neelix did about Paris. I thought it was, uh, I thought this episode for Paris as a character was really great, not only the scenes, um, that I got to do, but also the way it was structured to sort of redeem this character from, historical kind of jerk jerky behavior you know it basically said for months he's been part of this this undercover operation right yes you do you think harry knew of this yes or no no i don't think so either no in the transporter room uh there's a very sad moment there where and and and paris gives oh speaking of taking off com badges paris takes his com badge off and he gives it to to harry i think

No, I don't think anybody, except for Janeway and Tuvok, we're in on this. The minute you gave me the Com badge, I should have been so distraught with your leaving that I end up just swallowing it in a weird thing. Like, it's like a David Lynch movie. It's like a David Lynch movie or TV show. Yeah, so I don't think I knew that you were leaving. No, I don't think anybody did. Yeah.

I don't think that even as an actor, I was told this story until much, closer to getting this script even though they may have been thinking this i don't think i don't recall them telling me this months ahead of time i think they just wrote these scenes where tom was a jerk okay and that was the instruction just to be kind of difficult and um so i didn't you know i didn't play those early scenes months prior i didn't play that with the knowledge of oh this is all an act i mean for this episode it certainly it was an act Right. But prior episodes, no, you would not have known that, right?

I don't think so. I don't recall knowing that. They always kept us in the dark, you know, in terms of story lines. The Neelix editorial about Paris on his little briefings with Neelich's show, is it cut around to engineering and people watching all over the ship? I thought it was a real, very lovely homage to that character and kind of who he is. Yeah. You know, Neelix's version of, look, yes, I judge this guy, but I know, I know that he's not that.

He's not a jerk. I know that he's a good guy and he's done heroic things. And I thought that was a really nice way for the writers to sort of buy back some of the jerky behavior, you know. Yeah, this is a good Paris redemption episode. Yes, yes, absolutely. For sure. For sure. Harry wants Janeway to wait

and replace Harry I wrote down and you know you went in there to fight for me and say look I know he took off but you know maybe he'll change his mind yeah let's not replace Tom just off the bat and she's like yeah and that scene shows that I don't know about it exactly okay yeah exactly

okay she says nope we're gonna replace him I don't know with who I don't know with who but I think they mentioned Bay Tart Yeah, they mentioned Baytart That's true Who evidently was the juggler on the ship Which we didn't get to see

Because no, we never did By the way, I was a juggler Do you remember I would juggle sometimes off camera I would juggle stuff? That was like my thing Why didn't they let me juggle? Tom Paris could have been the juggler Are you being serious right now?

I'm being serious You don't remember me juggling down at my chair? You would juggle off camera? Yeah, I would juggle like wads of hay How would you juggle? Wads of paper, whatever was around, of those stuff. That's why you would think, because I can juggle, you would think I wouldn't be so clumsy with the facers

and break a dozen of them, but I did. I dropped all the phasers and broke the props, so they wouldn't give me phasers anymore. I don't remember you juggling that much. I don't. Okay. I was very jealous to hear, to hear, Baitart is the juggler.

Right. So now you know how I feel when people don't do voices, and they don't use me for it. Now you know. And I understand how you felt because I felt that way too. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So in the briefing room, we got a call from Jonas.

Bologna gets a call. Hey, the warp engine's got some problems. You got to get down here. And Neelix wants to go and be the journalist because now you can tell he's your advice, Harry's advice, you know, be that investigative journalist. So off Neelix goes down to, down to engineering. Mm-hmm. And the warp core.

is having these plasma bursts that are that are radiating the core and all kinds of problems and Jonas seems to be very heroic trying to you know save the war core and everything he even risks injury and and risks his life really you know balana's yeah don't and he goes to sick bay because of his plasma burns yeah along with one of the crew member yes it was jonas and another individual with plasma burns yeah and the doctor's still wants to be on the show. I think he's got another comment about being on the show.

Yes. And we get a call from the Talaxian ship that they were attacked and that the Kazan kidnapped Paris, that the only thing they took was Paris, which is very strange. It's kind of weird. They don't take cargo.

They just took Paris. That's it. Peres. Seems weird. Yeah. Paris meets CESCA. He's up. He's prisoner there.

And she knows about the trouble with Chucote. And Paris is like, who have you talked? to. He's trying already to find out, you know, do his little spy work. Yeah. This is the note that I wrote down about your CESCA interaction. So Cessca and Paris. The blue light makes Paris look like the hologram from Star Wars of Carrie Fisher's Princess Leia. Like when in the original Star Wars, well, the first Star Wars movie, not episode one, but the first Star Wars movie when they're tinkering with R2D2 and out pops that little holographic message. And it says, help me, Obi-Wan.

You're the only one I can, whatever. She's totally blue. You are totally blue in that scene. You're lit under a blue light. And behind you, it's not blue. It's regular color. So it does make you look like a hologram to me. So that was my very first, not a hologram from our show,

but a Star Wars hologram. So I don't know if you noticed the lighting there, but it was very. I did. I noticed the lighting. I thought that set was kind of cool. I love the little, you know. sticks that were sticking out of the computer all the memory sticks and things

I thought it was lit very pretty I thought it was a cool set yeah yeah but you were not but the entire set was not bathed in that blue light just you were bathed in the blue light and the background behind us was regular colors so that made you look like you were the Star Wars holograp

so yeah that is my note there that scene was very interesting and SESCA offers a deal obviously this sort of the behavior has worked. Chiquote. She knows about the trouble with Chiquote. Paris is trying to find out who did it. And then she leaves, offers him this deal to join her team, you know, pick a side,

which side do you want to be on? And then you see him trying to hack into the Cazon computer with this little thing he snuck in, which is kind of cool. Yeah. Kind of cool. Finally, that turn, that reveal of like, oh, Paris, this was all a show. and this is why he's really here. He's here to be a spy.

I thought that was very cool. Yeah, you were essentially a human Trojan horse is when you were. Yes. You were there to try to get the info right in the belly of the beast of the enemy. This is when we go back to the ship. And this is where Neelix goes into engineering to investigate and be a journalist. And he's talking to Jonas about the communications. And Jonas is kind of saying, hey, there's nothing there.

Leave it alone. Right. And Hogan reveals that the messages were sent without using any of the. ship's antenna arrays. Even before that, though, you see Jonas come over with a weapon and Neelix, Neelix gets a call from the doctor who's pissed that he wasn't in the show again in the middle of this and Jonas has the weapon and he's coming over to kill. Is that a weapon?

I don't think that was a weapon. It was something that was going to hurt Neelix. Well, it looked like a tiny blowtorch. And I wrote a joke down. said, and this is in my video reaction. It's just, I'm going to, I'm going to tiny blow torch you to death. Like, I'm going to first get your ear, and then I'm going to move down to your earlobe. It just didn't look like it was a really effective weapon. Really? It looked pretty gruesome to me. I thought he was good. Really? That would hurt. Whatever that thing

does would hurt. Wow. I think so. Okay. All right. I do. I think so. Let's just agree to disagree. Okay. Yeah. So Jonas is about to kill him. And then that's when the doctor pops up. And so Jonas has to hide his weapon. And the doctor really wants to be on the Neelik show.

And he's ready to go again. And then Neelix says, you know, not today. He can't do it today. Neelix goes to talk to Tuvok. And Tuvok is like, drop it. Drop it, Neelix. Yeah. And you can see that he's not going to drop it.

But because Harry told him, like, you've got to bend the rules. It's all, yeah, he would have dropped it if it wasn't for that advice. So, yeah, he goes back to engineering to look at these deleted communication files. Jonas is listening in on the whole conversation. That was definitely kind of creepy. You know, I kept feeling like, oh, Neelix is going to, he's just getting into a dangerous territory here. Nix goes to Paris's quarters and discovers these. secret communications

yeah um that that we find out have been set up after the fact that that wasn't paris i love that moment when chocote has brought into the plan yeah he was pissed he's not happy no he was like wait a minute why didn't you tell me he he was really pissed yeah he just felt no one trusted him which is i'd be pissed too it's like i'm the i'm the freaking commander here you should let me know you know so yeah is he outranks two vox Right? Tuvok is not outranking Chacote. But yet Chacote doesn't know anything. It's just between Paris and sorry, Tuba.

Yeah, literally Paris, Janeway, and Tubac are the only people that know about this. So I get it. I understand you, Chikote. Is this where we flash back to the Cazons ship then? Where you're fighting? Is this what happens? Almost. Almost.

Okay. Because at the end of that scene, they encourage Nelix. They all agree. Neelix should keep investigating, even though it's dangerous. and two bucks says we got your back we'll keep you monitored the whole time um and uh and i loved in that scene when neelix goes i just want to do whatever i i have to to get tom home safely i thought that was a very sweet detail in the scene again neelix neelix really uh expressing his fondness for his friend tom i thought was very sweet yeah then we go to the the kazon ship and there's a bit

of a fight and uh i literally i literally literally was looking at the fight and I was like, oh my God, I'm doing my own stunts here. Like I looked at the different cuts and I'm like, there's no stunt man in there. Yeah, I went back and I literally watched it four times. I was like, oh, let me check out my stunt work, like my fall and my roll and my roll up to a knee and firing and hitting. And I was like, that was pretty good. I did pretty good with that stunt work. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, there was no stuntman there. Huh. Well, I, um, so before the, what happened? happens is when you're leaving that, what predicates the fight scene is that little device explodes, that little device you have on the console, it explodes. You get blown over the bed and then like in a delayed reaction, the Kazon also gets blown over the bed. And wouldn't you think that everyone would be blown at the same time? It's sort of a delayed reaction where he flew. Yeah, you would think so. But I had to do my bounce off the bed and roll on the ground. I needed

You did plenty of room for my fancy stunt. Yes. Then the other guy can fall in. Right. And now if you notice, the Kazon that you're fighting against, and this is probably because we just, our special interviewee this month was stunt coordinator, Dennis Madelone. So after that interview, I just, especially with this episode,

this is the first episode we've reviewed since interviewing Dennis. I'm now watching very closely to see who is doing the stunts. And so that Kazon, did you see who that Kazon is that you're fighting? I didn't see who it was. Who was it? Tom Morga. Was it Tom Morga? Yes.

Because the thing is he's got all the makeup on. You can't recognize the makeup. But if you look, it's those fricking, he's got these crazy blue eyes. Tom Morga has these really, it's like the same color as if you're, for those you don't watch in the video portion, like the nacelles on the back. background of my of my Voyager right here is it's that kind of blue it's like really really intense blue so that was morga for sure that's funny and i looked up morga morga's born the same year as my mom yes he's like 79 or something right now so i just i couldn't believe that means what he was doing

for those on video uh i've i've got a picture of tom morga who was on our stunt team for voyager and did so many characters and so many stunts. Yeah. Yeah, Tom Morgas. I would have to say that was Dennis Madeline's right-hand man. Like, he was literally, that's his go-to guy whenever he needed anybody to get dressed up as an alien or human, whatever. You know, like, it would be Tom Morga, right?

Well, here's a picture. I'm showing a picture now of Tom Morga, who doubled Jonathan Franks on Next Generation. Oh my God with a fake beard and everything for freaks for Riker Yeah Tom Morgan did so many Different Trek stunts Yes he did

Yeah so many Great great stunts Also you After you beat up Tom You kind of run out And you look at you look back at everybody And you go You say

Thanks for the hospitality And that's almost like the new Yes ma'am It's like, thanks for the hospitality. You did it a little. It was like an ironic, sarcastic sort of. It is. Thanks for the hospitality.

It had a little bit of neener, neener, boo-boo. It did. It did. If I ever make a shirt with your face in it, I could put those words on the bottom. Thanks for the hospitality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was very impressed and surprised. I did all the stunts. That fight outside, I did that as well. You did a good job because I kept looking. I literally watched it a couple times.

I'm like, is there a double in there anywhere? Because we did get doubled quite often for certain stunts. But for that whole fight sequence, I think I did all that myself. So, yeah, that was pretty cool. I liked doing stunts. I always enjoyed it. I thought it was a really nice moment with Paris in the shuttle flying back saying, you know what, get out of here.

It's dangerous coordinates. it's a trap they've got you know troops on the ground i might not make it i might not make it get out of here i'll take care of myself yeah and i thought that was a really heroic gesture it was a heroic gesture but i would like to bring uh uh notice to the fact that there's a little weird bloop not a blooper but just something that i caught in the initial conversation of you inside the shuttle and you're talking and and you're being you know you're being the shuttle's being right by fire and alien fire, right? And you're like moving around.

Your hand at one point braces you. You're trying to brace yourself. Oh, yeah. Up on that. And it goes outside of the shuttle. Like you're touching, you're, you can clearly see where the window, the, you know, not the, yeah, the window, right? I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's wrapped around.

Yeah. Your hand goes out outside of it to hold there. And I was, maybe, maybe the force field is on the outside. maybe it's a thick beam with the force field on the outside I just want to remind everybody when those things are shaking around and you're right in the show

it was crazy it was shaking almost upside down it was so much shaking but those sets didn't shake like nothing moved so it was just the camera operators rocking the camera around and whatever we did as actors

giving it that movement I mean if you sat back and watched while we filmed it it would look ridiculous It only looks like it makes sense when you see it through the camera. You know, the camera is actually shooting it. Correct. But I'm guessing you did not catch that little little. I did not.

No. Okay. It's very interesting because I've seen that on our show before. Like, you know, some of the bulkheads like in the captain's ready room and stuff, they're at an angle. And I've seen Kate sometimes standing up by the window. And I'm like, isn't her head sticking out into space? Like, isn't she a little. close to that. It's just the angle of the, you know, the way that it should be. You're like,

I don't think you can stand there. I don't think you're getting oxygen right now, Captain. Your head's in space. It's still in space. Okay. So, you know, just the fact that you're part of your digits were in space was okay. You're not going to die for that. But I just, yeah. Okay. And we're almost near the end here. You know, Neelix has a big fight scene with Jonas, which I did look for the stunt doubles in that scene and saw him a couple of times so I just want to say my fight scenes I didn't have any double

It was you and usually when you can This is how you tell a stunt double It's usually the wig is a little bit off They don't spend as much money on the wig For the stunt double as they do as the way Or as the hair of the person that's doing it Or if they were wearing a wig And Jonas' stunt doubles hair did not match

Raffaels not match at all. Not at all. Not at all. And the Nelix double was looked smaller and just, it didn't look as quick. He looked like a smaller Nelix, right? So it was like some of the close, close ups and that stuff, but the bigger fighting was doubles for sure. But they needed doubles because eventually they flip over the, yeah, throws him over.

Yeah. Into the, into the warp stuff or whatever, something. I don't really understand what that was. It was like a breach in a hole. It's green. It's green. Warplasma? Yeah, was it leaking warp plasma? I don't know. Something like that. I don't know. Whatever it was. Unclear. Yes, but you die immediately

when you're in there. You got to. Anything green that's that green can't be good through it. Yeah. No. It's like toxic Avenger. Yeah. It's not pea soup. It's not, it's not, it's not a seaweed bath. That was, that was bad. Is that lentil or tea? What is that exactly? Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to bring light to when, When weapons are back online, I'm on the bridge with Janeway. And Janeway says, Janeway says, fire at will. And right when she says that, Megan's sitting next to me. And I know it's like a dad joke, but she goes like, what did Will do? Like, why are you firing at Will?

Get it? Fire at Will. Like, I never thought about that. Yeah, dad joke. I laughed at it. It was great. Yeah, fire at Will. What did Will do? What did Will do?

Why are they mad at Will? Why are they mad at Will? He did nothing to you. the video at the very end when you're being interviewed. It's cute. And do you notice that you pronounce Chiquete? Chacote.

As if... No, I don't know. How did I pronounce it? No, you don't say, you know, you give it like a New York twist. You went to Chikote. Chikote. You said it like you were a New Yorker.

Chacote. Which was interesting, because nothing else out of your mouth is New York-esque except for the word or the name. You know what's funny? I have a very adaptable accent because I moved around as a kid and I lived in New York for 12 years and I and I lived in the South and I've lived all over. So I found I found that as I was moving around as a kid that when I moved to a new place like Philadelphia or the South, whatever, if I took on the accent that I would fit in, I'd make friends faster. So somewhere unconsciously I pick up.

If I'm talking with New Yorkers, I start bringing a little New York accent to it. if I'm talking to you know my family from the south I bring in my southern well that scene was with Ethan Phillips who is a New Yorker and so probably between takes we were talking and I bet I was picking up a little of his New York vibe so that when we got into the scene I bet I had a little bit of a New York thing happening because I I'm like a chameleon with my my unconscious kind of adapting to accents. I don't do it consciously. It just sort of happens. Look at that. We solved the mystery. That's probably where it came from. We're right there. We Sherlock homed that. I did. We investigated it. You see what I did. And I am. Yeah. Yeah. We investigated it did it. Yeah. I got to say I do the same thing.

I'm very much whoever I'm talking to, I take on their their accent to the point that whoever's with me will whisper into my ear. going to, aren't you worried about being offensive to that person that you're going to offend that person? Especially if it's like an ethnic accent. I know. I used to, I feel like I used to do that. Like if I'm in the, in a cab with a, you know, a Latino, you know, cab driver or something that has a thick accent, I will start saying English words. I don't even speak Spanish, but I'll start saying English words with a little. And it's unconscious. It's just about like connecting or, you know, I don't mean anything disrespectful by it but i know you just end up yeah you spanish fight it a little bit yeah yeah we're in germany i'll germanyify it a little or i'll yes yes yes and it's just not to be offensive

at all we just we're trying to make you feel comfortable when speaking to us that is what our natural entities are i think so yeah yeah what was your theme for this episode i didn't have one no I got a theme. No. It took me a minute because I was like, all right, what is the theme for me and this? And it was a hard one because it was a very procedural sort of episode. But I realized it was really through Neelix's point of view as a journalist, as an investigator. The theme to me is if you really want to get to the truth, the real truth, it requires a deep investigation.

And I think that's true about anything in life. That's a great lesson in life. is like you can't just look at Harris on the surface and know what's going on. You've got to look deeper. You can't just look at, you know, this mystery story of this investigation on the surface. You've got to go deeper. So that's, to me, that's like if you really want to get to the core truth of anything, you're going to have to look, you're going to have to really investigate beyond the obvious. That's interesting because when I was thinking about theme and I really couldn't get it, the first thing that came to my mind is really the flip side of the coin of your theme, which is, be wary of digging too deep because, yes, because you may end up, you have to be careful that you don't get killed by a mini blowtorch very slowly.

That's a good thing. That's good for everyone to remember. Everyone should remember this. Well, just to watch your back. You know, if you're, if you're thinking that deep. That you guys are going to get from the Delta Flyers, okay? The deep insight and profound wisdom of the Delta Flyers. Okay, so your theme is, if you really want the truth, you got to make sure you dig deep.

Mine is, if you're going to go dig deep, make sure you watch your back because there are other, watch out for many blow torches or just peril. There can be peril around the corner because of your extra deep digging, right? Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, okay. I think that's it for this week's recap. Holy moly, we're done. I had forgotten that that was such a big Paris episode, and I'm really happy to have rewatched it with you, Garrett.

Yes, got it. An important episode. Fabulous. Good character development for, yes. And, oh, by the way, I just want to say one last thing. I've never, ever seen closet area of any other crew member. Like the shelves that you were taking stuff out of. You don't see that ever with any.

everyone else's borders. So that was one other random observation that I had. That's true. But, yes, so I thoroughly enjoyed seeing that you were a major player in this episode, which I had no clue. Like, you and I don't remember you joining a Talaxian convoy at all. Do not. So that was an answer to us.

So, and it's a thumbs up for me. I enjoyed this episode for sure. Thumbs up for me, too. Good episode. Okay. All right. Thanks a lot, guys. Stay tuned next week as we review the episode dead. one of my favorites actually deadlock deadlock i can't wait see you then see yeah