The Delta Flyers - Let He Who is Without Sin...

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Let He Who is Without Sin…, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell, and Armin Shimerman.Let He Who is Without Sin…: While vacationing on the planet Risa, Worf falls under the influence of a traditionalist group bent on destroying the pleasure paradise. We would like to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers, Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, Tim Neumark, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Jenny Cordina, Izzy Jaffer, Andrew Cano, Francesca Garibaldi, Jonathan Capps, Chris Dellman, Chris Garis, Sean T, Cindy Woodford, Interstellar Tess, & Tamara Evans. Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Cindy Ring, Lee Lisle, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, David Wei Liu, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Randy Hawke, Penny Liu, Matt Norris, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Ryan Mahieu, Robby Hill, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Jeff Allen, & Linda Paiges. And our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Sab Ewell, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Kelly Brown, Sarah Thompson, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Sarah, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Steph Davies, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Sarah Dunnevant, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, SnazzyO, Karen Galleski, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Slacktwaddle, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Jim Poesl, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Michael Jones, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Brian Heckathorne, Kilian Trapp, Katherine M. Prioli, Nelson Silveira, Kit Marie Rackley, Gordon Watson, Andy Bruce, Durrell Bishop, Andrew Golden, & Daniel Friend. Thank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Progressive: https://www.progressive.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors Terry Farrell, Armin Schimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. For the complete and exciting version of this podcast, check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. Hey, hello, everybody. Hello, hello, hello. Hello. You're no longer Robbie Duncan Donut McNeil. You're Robbie Slim Jim McNeil.

Oh, how many pounds you have shed from your body. Look at you. You get out, you walk, you hike. You're just doing old-fashioned workout. I will tell you that, you know, I did a cocktail video for this podcast for a few years. I love my cocktails, but I've cut out the drinking, and that has changed everything. I don't have as much snacking. I don't.

And I love a cocktail now and then, still, believe me. It's a lot of empty calories. Yeah. When you say cutout drinking. It's not good for us anyway. You're done now. You're done with drinking. I still have a cocktail now and then.

But, you know, I was having a few a week. And now I'm having one a month or something. Oh, wow. Maybe greatly reduced your intake. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I think that makes a big difference, you know, just sometimes simple choices.

Yeah. And let's face it, alcohol really is poison for your body. Your body is like alcohol at all. It doesn't. And it's empty calories like Terry said. It really is. Okay. Good for you, man. You look great. Yes, thank you. We have some birthdays to talk about. We've got Liz Scott on January 22nd. Happy birthday, Liz. Happy birthday, Liz. Elizabeth, happy birthday. Happy birthday, Liz Scott. Who else has a birthday? Alex Metinous on January 25th. Happy birthday to our good friend Alex. Happy birthday, buddy.

Happy birthday, Alex. Alex, happy birthday. Good day to you, Alex. I do have a limerick for this episode. It goes a little something like this. Jazea just wanted some romance. And Quark wanted anyone in his pants. But Worf's jealous rage put her joy in a cage.

Too much restraint and fun doesn't stand a chance. Nice. genius. I love it. I mean, Quark did. He was looking for some action there. That made me laugh so hard. That's why I laughed. Cork wanted anyone in his pants. It was so true.

You know, with the two horrogons. Like, who else? I'm here. You had more arms. You would have had more horrigons. All right. My haiku. Field trip to Riza.

Upright Wharf joins terrorists. First look at Cork's legs. Is it the first time we've seen your bare legs as a pharynge? Yes, yes. Is it the only time? No. No, I remember Karen having to shave me twice because every time I wear a costume that shows off flesh besides my head, they have to shave whatever hair I have on my arms and legs off because Ferengi don't have hair.

Well, what a, how was that for you, that experience shaving it? Did it it itch growing back? It did. Yeah, I bet it did. But holy cow. Why didn't you shave your own legs? Because Karen wanted to. That's why.

So, Armin, typically, you have a very hairy, are you a very hairy leg individual? I am a hairy man, yes. You're a hairy man. That's a biblical quote, which I'll get to in a moment. Okay. Holy buckets. So the title of the episode is let he who is without sin. And the rest of the biblical quote is throw the first stone.

Let him who is without sin throw the first stone. It comes from John chapter 8, verse 7. Jesus goes to the Mount of Olives, then goes to the temple to preach, and the Pharisees bring him a woman who has been taken in adultery. Jesus is put in an impossible situation to choose between Mosaic law and his policy of forgiveness. He shifts the argument to the scenes,

to the sins, excuse me, to the sins of the judges, and puts them in an impossible situation. Now, sometimes law must be tempered with mercy. That's the meaning of the biblical quote. However, in this episode, I think they're suggesting that sometimes a law must be tempered with trust, if I may, from the episode. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I didn't put the biblical quote together, but as soon as you said it, it's obvious that that's where that comes from.

Yeah, I wonder, did they pull a lot of stories and titles from biblical or religious? This is evidently one of 24. Is it really? Biblical titles. There are 24. I know. Isn't that shocking?

It's like 20. There's 23 more. But that's from a memory alpha entry that could be archaic. So there could be even more, right? So is that including all of the Star Trek shows? I think that's including up until the person who posted that. So probably more Golden Era Trek. So without the newer stuff.

Oh, oh, oh. But a combination of shows, not just deep space night. TNG, original series, Voyager, Deiast, yeah, all of us. But it makes sense that they pull from these kind of ancient archetypical tales, like biblical tales or fairy tales. Because Trek is very much that. It's morality plays. Yes.

Classic lessons over and over. Yeah. Yeah. So with that in mind, there should be 50. Yeah. It feels like there could be a lot more. Yeah. And maybe things from other religions or mythology.

They do pull from other religions. We've discussed that here. I mean, religion was a huge theme for the writers of Deep Space Nine because there were so many religions involved, which was something that the Paramount Studios did not want the writer. to deal with, but they did anyway. All right, written by Iris Stephen Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolf, directed by our esteemed Mr. René Obergenois.

And we have our guest stars, Monty Markham, as Pascal Fullerton. Chase Masterson is Lita. Frank Copick as the Bolian aide. And may I say something about Frank Copic? Frank Copac was supposed to be my best man. Really?

Yes, he's the boleon in the name. in the episode. Frank was a working Broadway actor, and when I got married, Frank was doing a show and couldn't make being there. And my good friend, Neil Elliott, stepped in for Frank. But Frank and I were enormously close while I lived in New York and years after I left New York and came to Los Angeles. And I believe Renee must have known Frank from Broadway theater. Interesting. Oh, so did he call? him personally to ask him to come in? I don't know, I don't know, Terry. I asked Kitty yesterday, do you think they knew each other? And she said probably from the Broadway theater. So I'm just

quoting my wife. Frank Kopeck was in Sunday in the park with George. Yes, he was. And Sweeney Todd. Yes. Oh my goodness. And happy end on Broadway. And there was, you know, he wasn't doing a Broadway show when I got married. He was doing an off-Broadway show and I can't remember what it was. He was also in Chaplain with John Ali. With John Ali. Yes. My roommate, my first roommate in New York City. We also have a special appearance by Vanessa Williams as Arandas.

And when I saw the credits, I said, is that the Vanessa Williams I think it is? And it was sure as heck was. Now, this is interesting. There was already another actress that was cast in that role. It was Sue Ann Brown. She's a great, great gal. and she showed up at the wardrobe fitting and they told her, yeah, they've recast your role.

Oh, no. They told her at the wardrobe fitting. And the wardrobe fitting. So here's the question, guys. Would that agent be compensated? I mean, there has to be consequences. You can't just switch midstream like that. Am I right?

If you've signed a contract and you told an actor, you have the role. Then you still get paid. You're absolutely right, Garrett. If the contract is signed and if she went to the, custom fitting it was signed, then she has to be compensated for whatever she agreed to. If it was a guest star, the fee was about $8,000 a week. So they had to pay her the $8,000 in addition to whatever they paid Vanessa Williams. Now I have another union thing that I want to talk about Vanessa Williams really quickly for this is just me being really wonky. Vanessa Williams,

there was another Vanessa Williams in Screen Actors Guild at the time that she signed up. So the Guild told her, well, you can't keep that name. Now, she had already done lots of stuff. It was very familiar as Vanessa Williams, and she said, I'm not changing my name. This is my name. Everybody knows me as Vanessa Williams. And she sued the union. And they took it to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court agreed with Vanessa Williams. She gets to keep her name. So the philosophy, the mythology, that everybody has to, after that court case, anyone was allowed to keep their name, even if there was another person with your name. in the union. Wow. So that's Vanessa. Wow. She changed the law in the union. That's amazing. In the country, because if there, if anybody else asked for that, the Supreme Court ruling stood.

So, you know, God bless her, because why should she change your name? That was her name? No, absolutely. I haven't thought of that moment of signing up and them checking to make sure that I could have my name because I remember a discussion with like, what would you want to be called if you, Oh, like, I don't want to be called Teresa. I mean, it'll wear off that it won't feel like I'm in trouble, but it... Yeah. Well, I was... Well, I was...

Close to Riza. Tessa. When I first joined the union, I was... Because there was already a Robert McNeil in AFRA. That was the first union I joined. And that was the journalist, the McNeil-Lera report. Robert McNeil was in AFRA. So I could not be Robert McNeil.

So I joined the union as Duncan McNeil with a first name Duncan because it was my middle name. Right. And I went by Duncan McNeil was my actor name for about a year, year and a half. And then I just didn't like people calling me Duncan. I'm like, it doesn't feel like me. So I'll just go with three names. I'll add my first name. So there's some credits out there that still have Duncan McNeil.

Yeah. But, you know, to your point, though, Armin, just talking about Vanessa Williams, If you think about that, every actor who joins the guild when they hear, oh, your name's already taken, then they add an extra whatever. They just follow the rules. She dug in her heels and said, nope, I'm taking this to court. I'm so impressed with that. I mean, most people would just follow it blindly, like, okay, I'll change my name. But she just went through with it and said, I'm not going.

She was. Miss America. Yeah, she was famous. And then there was, remember the controversy around it? Yes, that's right. Yes. So, yeah, it would have been really bizarre if she changed her name. Yeah, to Martha Williams, that wouldn't have worked, no.

I have to tell you, they didn't check on my name if there was a double. They didn't. They didn't even check? No, they just stamped it and went, okay, fun. I produced a show called 666 Park Avenue that Vanessa was the star of. So I worked with Vanessa for a year, and she was great. I loved working with her. I agree.

I got to spend a lot of time with her on this episode. And we just felt like pals. It was just an instant, easy. We had some similar stories that we shared that were like, oh, that, you know, stuff that actors don't share with everybody that you go, you too. Yeah. What? So, you know. She's really down to earth, you know, when I work.

She is. She's a real, very real hard worker, really hard worker. Took it, you know, took the work. She's a terrific woman. She has a lot going on. A lot going on. She had, you know, did concerts. She was on Broadway.

She was always busy. She's a go-getter. No grass under her feet. Yeah. And family. And she, doesn't she have horses? She does, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Amazing. I think she's amazing. When you worked with her, did you know that she worked on DS9 at that point? I don't think I did. And did she know, did she go, oh, you were on Voyager. Did she say anything like that? No, because I was a producer and director on the show.

We just kind of talked about the show or life, but we didn't talk about past career stuff. The one thing is she had done a revival of Into the Woods on Broadway recently. Oh, she did. And I had done the first national tour of Into the Woods. So we often talked about that. You did? Oh, my God. That's so cool, Robbie.

Yeah. That was the best connection that we had was doing that play and, you know, sharing our experiences. Let's talk a little bit about trivia. The story for this episode originated in a discussion about Eugene O'Neill's 1947 play, A Moon for the Misbegotten. And the main theme of this play is the destructiveness of alcohol and sexuality, and the lives of several characters in this play and in tragedy due to their pursuit of drink and sexual satisfaction. So that was the original idea of how this came about. I think a lot of it got messed up because of the time that this was filmed in the 90s.

Television networks were saying you can do this, you can do that. So a lot of the sexuality that they wanted to show was not shown, basically, right? They weren't able to show or really, they talk about sex in here, but they don't show anything. And in fact, we'll get to a certain scene that when we talk about that scene, I'm going to tell you guys about how they originally shot. it and you're going to go, what? Because the actor had zero clothes on in that scene and that was taken out. So we'll talk about that later. I think that's what really kind of kiboshed this whole.

A naked Ferengi? I can't believe they did. She didn't shave that far as I remember. Armine is smooth as a dolphin. He doesn't have one bit of hair on his body. Oh, my goodness. Let's just keep going. Robert Hughes.

Hewit Wolf regards this as his least favorite episode out of all those that he wrote or co-wrote. Iris Stephen Bear has commented that if he had to choose one episode, he'd go back and refine, it would be this one. Ronald D. Moore, same thing. It's a show that we all wish we had a second crack at. And in fact, Robert Hewitt Wolf was so against it, even during the actual production of the show, he kept saying, let's scrap it. I want to pause there and say, I agree with the writers. I agree with what I've heard from the fans about this episode. It's not a great episode.

But Terry, you did some incredible work. You really did. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Honestly, I think there's one scene when we get to it where I forgot I was watching Star Trek or sci-fi or any of that. Your work was so good. Thank you. It's a shame.

It reminds me a little bit. I did an episode called Threshold on Voyager that is the most. hated episode, when people say the worst episode of Voyager, it's threshold. But 100%, everybody agrees. But I look back on it. It was a big episode for my character.

I love some of the scenes I got to play, and I'm proud of the work. But it's not a great episode. And so it's hard to have... So you can understand that frustrating feeling. It made me so angry because at the time doing it, it was fun.

Yeah. But you're not thinking of how it's getting pieced together, there's too much going on. It's not my job. I'm not going to worry about it. I'm doing my job. That's my focus. This also remind me, I will say, that how important a director is to an episode, especially problematic episodes. Because Renee had not directed a lot, I don't think he had the experience to kind of go, uh-oh, this is a problematic episode. Let me figure out a way to soften the problems and amplify the strengths. And so he just sort of let it be what it was. He shot it pretty neutrally, I guess, would be my description. And so he didn't,

he didn't help. Can you guide it as a director? I think you can. I think you can tell your story within that story. I think the director can kind of say, you know what? If we just, if we shoot this big and wide, it's going to amplify the problem. So let me, let me, you know, frame in a way and stage in a way and pace things in a way that we scoot over the awkward stuff and we focus on the strengths of this story. I don't know that there was a lot of help from the direction. I hate to talk badly about Renee, because I love Renee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think he had the experience to help make it a better episode. And so it was a combination. It was a combination. of a lot of things, I think.

Yeah, because there's obviously a learning curve. Yeah. And a skill set you acquire from the experience of directing. Yeah. Yeah. Like acting. Yeah. Here's a quote from Iris Stephen Bear. It was supposed to be a show that looked at 24th century morals and sexuality.

We pretty much failed on both accounts. Here's another little entry here. The main reason the episode failed was because of the restrictions placed upon how open they could be about sexuality. This was a show that was supposed to be examining sex. but it wasn't allowed to actually show any sex, as Wolf explains. Kids watch this show, and in some markets, it airs at 5 o'clock. That meant we couldn't show skin, so there was no sex.

It became a totally asexual show, and once that happened, the whole thing got flushed down the toilet because none of it made sense anymore. I wonder if the onus of that, of what the writers were thinking and the producers were thinking, affected Renee in the sense that it was, okay, he had a problematic script, but did he also have producers, writers at the tone meeting and afterwards saying, this is going to be a real problem and maybe we should scrap it? And this is his chance to direct, which, you know, he didn't get a lot of those chances. So he wants to do the best job he can, but he's getting pressure to just scrap the whole thing altogether.

Yeah. Yeah, that can't feel good. Yeah, and I'm sure they gave him feedback about what he was doing right and what he was doing wrong. I mean, I will disagree with the writers that. they're kind of blaming it on the fact that, oh, we couldn't show sex. I mean, Moon for the Miss Maggotten is about, is a play about passion, about sex, about a human experience with sexuality and vices and all of that. But you don't have nudity in the play of Moon for the Miss Maggotten.

You don't have sex. You don't need that. The words. You could have scenes, yes, where the writers were describing the experience in a way that moves the audience and the characters. And then you could have told the same story. You don't need to show naked bodies to tell that story. So I disagree with the writers.

I think it's a failing on the words and the way that the script was written that the audience isn't, we should be moved by, you know, yes, connecting sexually or connecting with our vices. You can describe that without showing it and move the audience and tell a story. So I don't know. It was flat. It was just flat. Yes.

Yes. Yes, even Daxon were flat. Yeah. Like, oh my God, wow, that was a colossal car accident. One last pit of trivia. Nana visitor, Sirak Lofton, and Colmini do not appear in this episode. Nanah does not appear because she gave birth to Django during this episode. Oh.

That is why. Sid actually commented this was one of his most, you know, his least favorite episode because of the fact that he was so focused on his chance. child being born. The next day was a scene that the big breakup ceremony, the ritual thing. He had a film that the day after his kid was being born. He said he was so unfocused the entire time. So he mailed it in. He phoned it in. So he wasn't proud of his performance because he was so distracted. And rightly so. He's charming anyway. All right. We start off in the replomat. The O'Brien's, we discover one to name their baby Sean, which is Bajoran for Swamp.

Lovely. You've got to be careful about that. Yes. Dax shows up. Dax has pulled another muscle. She's been pulling a lot of muscles recently. Odo says it's what a coincidence. Worf has pulled a lot of muscles too.

A busy body. Odo's a busy body. He is really. Who knew? Mrs. Cravitz lives. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Yes.

And Dax shares with Odo and Cisco that she is going to ride. and then Warf arrives. And he immediately is really uptight about her sharing their personal information. So we see even though they're pulling a lot of muscles and getting very physical, there's some conflict already. We see. Maybe he's pulling muscles because he's so uptight. Maybe he needs to relax.

Maybe all they really have is a sexual connection. And that's how that felt. Because it was like, why is he so upset? This is so bizarre how possessive he is. It's upsetting. Yeah, it's out of the gate. Here's another thing to this point. Worf already is there's conflict.

You know, he's mad at Dax for sharing information. In my opinion, usually, it's great to see a character in a certain state of being and then something happens and they change. And that is the story arc. Right. It didn't feel like we had a story arc. We did not. He did not have a story arc. No.

He didn't change. If he had come into this scene and been all into Riza and then suddenly he gets there and he's thrown by it, that would have been a change. To that point, and it's a very good one, I would venture to say there isn't anybody that has a story arc in this episode. Nobody changes. Yeah. No. Nobody changes. No.

I agree. And that's part of what we're flat. It's flat. Yeah. It's just kind of the same. and I don't care how many naked bodies they show. It's not going to make that story structure any better. In this introductory scene, we do hear about Worf being a little jealous about

Dax's lunch with Captain Bode. Now, we've heard about this guy multiple times. A little. The Gallamite with the see through skull. Can we see this person for once, for goodness sake? Do we ever see him, guys? No. No.

No. He's never ever. Captain Bode has never seen. Bode. I think there's a lot of very interesting. interesting creatures, Dax has spent time with that nobody has ever seen. And Dax thought Morn was cute, too. So Dax is an equal opportunity dater.

Look, she's dating Wharf. Yeah. Why? For this episode, I do not understand why they're together. I agree. It's a good question, Terry. It's an excellent question. I watched this and I thought, there's no reason why these two should be a couple whatsoever.

He dropped her on her head. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Seriously, they're, because, where did she go? Suddenly, I am, oh. Well, Lita and Bashir show up. Lita says, you know, Julie and I were talking it over. We'd like to come along with you to rise if that's all right. And we haven't seen this relationship for centuries. No. Yeah. Is that weird? When did they get back together? Yes. We barely saw that they were even together. Exactly. Barely established that they're together. up until this point, we know that Lida has had her eye on Rom. We've already established that. So why is she would?

We're kind of going backwards. Yes, I do not know. It's almost like they forgot, you know, that, oh, yeah. Well, they didn't forget because later on. Yeah, later, of course. But it doesn't feel like we've, we have not built up these relationships. Even the Wharf and Dax stuff, I feel like they could have had a few more episodes to really explore the good side of this relationship before we go to this story.

Yeah. Like, I don't get it. Like, you can't just drop little nothings. And then expect everybody to fill it in. It's just, it was crazy. They're expecting people to fill a lot in. A lot. But also, don't you feel that Dax, now that we know who Dax is, Dax would never stand for anyone like this. She would have broken up with Wharf like that is my feeling. Like this never would, they never would have gotten past the first month, I feel. Seriously. I didn't give Julian the time of day. You're going to let Wharf slide on all this?

Honestly, I don't see it. Intellectually. No. Spiritually. It's not supported. It's not supported by the writing. The next scene is in a corridor. Cisco's sending them off.

He shares that he wishes he could go. He does mention that he and Dax had been to rise before, Cisco says. And he goes, Curzon, of course. So another forced situation to make Worf jealous. It felt like, you know. Mr. Sensitive Steve. Yeah. Worf's reaction.

And Cisco picking up on it seems odd to me. It felt forced. He and Odo picked up on it in the first scene. I guess so, yeah. Because they were both kind of like, I'm not touching this and leaving. And then again, it's just, it's the same scene. I play the same scene with Worf. Yeah.

until he has his breakthrough. Yeah. And then suddenly the story is completely different. Yeah. Well, we're in the airlock. Quark is waiting. We see that Quark is joining them too. So it's Quark with Lita and Bashir.

It's a party. Everybody's going to Riza. And Wharf is really grumpy about this. I love that quark joins us. I do too. Mm-hmm. How do you feel about that, Armin? But why?

Why is cork joining them? It's my question. Go ahead, Armin. Free right. No, you've already answered exactly why is he joining them. I understand of the frivolous, that's the wrong word, but for the character that seems to be interested in free sex, more than anyone else on the station, yes, that would indicate Quark.

But really, it doesn't make sense really for him to go, except it as a vacation. And I would have loved a line where he said, the bar is just driving me crazy. I need to get away. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. That would have sold it for me.

That would have been great. That's the missing scene. But you know what else? It was a free ride. Well, that's true. It's true. It's free ride. We're on the runabout.

We're on our way. Lita is serving drinks. It's like she's at work. It's like she's at the bar. Serving drinks to everybody. Six more hours till where the air, quark comes on. He says his cabin is tiny.

Worf is super rude to you, Armin. What else is new? He never even says you. name. He just calls you Ferengi. He's rude to everyone in this episode. Yeah, he tells Quirk, go back to your quarters, or I'll turn around, and then he just starts to turn around, and Quark's like, okay, fine,

I'll go back, but he gives everybody, Quirk gives everybody a Horgon. Everyone except Worf. One for you, one for you, not for you. And none for you, Grumpy Boy. Yes, exactly. It is me being someone interested in language and the

sound of words. It is interesting that the idol is called a whore gone. Yes. I thought the same thing. I didn't even think of that. Wow. It's a rise in fertility symbol. Well, I don't think it really portrays women very well in this episode, and that's probably what upsets me the most.

There's a lot to that. Yes, there is a lot to that. And then you add that. I didn't even think of that. I didn't hear that. How about this? 30 plus years later. Thank you for the education, Armin.

Yeah. Well, Dax decides to go. change into her vacation clothes. So does Lita and Bashir. And Worf is still grumpy, the same way he started this episode. Nothing's changed. Nope. We go to Riza. We're out on a lawn. Where did you shoot this? Malibu. You guys? You did? Yeah, it was gorgeous. It looks like a spot in Malibu where I shot an episode of Murder She Wrote. Probably. There's not many grassy little parks around there. Yeah. Yeah. I did an episode of Murder's You wrote that was set in Hawaii, and we shot it out in Malibu at this place, and it looked like the exact same spot.

Speaking of this location, Tarfair, here's a question. On Memory Alpha, it says a number of problems occurred during the filming of Lethe, who is without sin, at a beach in Malibu. For example, Terry, Farrow, cannot be in direct sunlight for very long, which meant that for many exteriors, there needed to be a shelter nearby. And according to director Renee Obergen-Wa, the producers forgot to organize a tent for Farrell. And Obergernair himself had to hunt one down and set it up. He did. Putting up, putting the shoot several hours behind schedule.

So that did happen. That's not a fallacy. Yeah. And also when we get to the point when there is the rally or whatever it was. Yes, yes. Renee made sure that whole structure that we were under that was shaded. Yeah. Because it was the hyperpigmentation.

was really alarming. It was, you know, how when you see people, women sometimes with the kind of mask, that's what happened to me. But Renee was incredibly kind and generous to take care of me. Oh, totally, for him to run out there to do that. He didn't, like, give me, he didn't, he was the one sticking up for me. Got it. Yeah. And then, you know, in that scene when they, like you said, when they put up that little,

it's tinted shaded area during the big speech, right? Yes, yes. extras, he chose this one area for the extras to stand on, but when they actually stood on it, it was covered with these like burrs and stuff that was hurting their feet. And so a lot of different things happened that really pushed this filming schedule backwards. Yeah. Yeah. We're out there in Malibu, Bashir and Lita head off to go have a little fun. Quark finds two ladies with his horgons. He's got a couple of horgons. How many horgones did you bring? Many as it takes. suitcase full of horrigons.

Oh my gosh. But they're into it. The fertility symbol works and he's off with the two ladies. And then Worf is complaining how this is just a fake paradise. The whole place is manufactured because in its natural state, this would be a rain-soaked jungle. Worf removes her beach wrap to say, you know, it's a beautiful place. I remove my beach wrap. Yes, you remove your beach wrap into her bathing suit.

and Worf finally says something nice that she is the most beautiful thing he has ever seen. And that was refreshing to me because he had been complaining since the first scene and I was like, oh, that's the only nice thing that came out of his mouth. The whole episode, that's it. The rest is Grumpy Wharf.

Yeah. So I guess that was the poet. Yes, the poet came out. Briefly. Is Jamaharan just the rise in way of saying sex? Is that what that is? If you seek Jamaharan. That's what they indicate, yes.

Okay. Yes. It's interesting that this, you know, I kept wondering, wow, they're visiting Riza. But when I did more research, Iris Stephen Baer was the writer who introduced Riza in an episode of TNG that he wrote. So it's kind of, yeah, it's, yeah, it makes sense. Which Max was on. I didn't know he was on TNG. Oh, Max was on that? Max Prudencech was in that episode.

In that episode of Riza. Oh, that's cool. Not as a Ferengue, though. Yes, as a Ferengi. Oh. Oh. Oh. As Nog?

Not as his not. Not as ROM. Not as ROM. Just as I appeared on other TNG shows, but not as Quark. Not. Okay. Got it. Copy.

All right. Well, Vanessa Williams shows up in the scene out on the lawn. She's very happy to see Dax. We learn that Arandis, Vanessa Williams' character, was Curzon's lover at one point. And yeah, she does say something about death by Jamaharan. Okay. This did not make sense to me because in the... episode where you see me getting my simant that when the he's very much alive yeah on the table the very

very old man and so it's how could he have died in risa if he was on a table alive when i was receiving yeah because she says i killed him and worse i killed him and she says yeah death by jama haran And I suppose there are worse ways to go. And then DAC says, trust me, he died happy. So they're making this joke about something that just doesn't seem possible with the other storyline. Well, no, it's a glitch. It's like somebody should have read that and said, oh, no, no, no, no. He did not.

Yeah. Say he had a heart attack, but he did not die. Yeah. Yeah. And I think somewhere I read that they've given Curzon multiple different types of deaths in reference to him. Maybe Curzon died many deaths. He was a cat.

He was a cat. Curzon was a cat. Curzon began with C. Cat begins with C. I didn't mean to make it go off on a tangent. I just wanted to point out that is inconsistent with the storyline that I was aware of. It felt inconsistent to me. And I didn't know, I didn't piece together the details, but it felt like something where they

were making a joke. about dying from sex. Right. When I, it felt like a cheap joke. Yeah. It didn't land. Exactly. Terry, here's a really funny thing that a fan pointed out.

Evidently, in your swimsuit, you can see the Speedo logo on your right hip. It said it could be that Speedo is still making swimwear in the 24th century. Oh, that's funny. That's what the fan wrote. Oh, I did not like that bathing suit. Really? Oh, you did? You know, it's uncomfortable?

No. I don't like the whole, like that kind of pattern being the cell that it's sci-fi. Yeah. It's like, I think they made a better effort with Vanessa Williams and I thought Chase looked amazing too. Okay. But mine was just too on the nose for that stereotype of it being sci-fi. That's how I felt about it. All right.

But I must say this, both you and Chase were very comfortable in your swimsuits. Whereas when I look at Sid in his swim, suit. He's covering up. Yeah. He's got his arms up. Well, here's the thing. Whatever you feel uncomfortable, because I learned this modeling, you just got to suck it up, Buttercup, and act like you feel comfortable. That's the only way to get through it because otherwise it reads that you're acting to me. Because, I mean, if your character's comfortable, your character is comfortable. Right. Yeah. You have to get over that. And his offers to show them around, but Worf says, no, he's not interested, and then she leaves. And Worf says Dax doesn't take their relationship seriously at all, that if she were a Klingon woman, that they'd be married by now.

And Dax argues, you know what, I'm not a Klingon woman, I'm independent, and I'm going to go have an IkoBerry juice. While you go change into your swimsuit, Wharf, just relax. But he doesn't relax. Worf says, Ikoberry juice, you're allergic to Ikoberry juice. And again, this is such a couple arguments. And then Dax's like, I know I'm allergic. I just like the taste of it. I'm going to drink it.

You know, so it just became what is happening here. Why are they together? Well, but because the real bottom line is she's pointing out that it's her mistake to make. Correct. She has her own autonomy. Yes. He's not in charge. Correct.

And but she does it was, it's like we're watching a rom-com from the 50s on some level. with this that's not funny, but there's something about the style of it that makes me think of that. I've always nicknamed this episode, Deep Space 90210. That's very funny. I did like the hard cut after the access go changing your bathing suit to wharf with the gold Lemae trucks. He holds it there, yes. Yes, that was funny. It was a funny cut.

Imagine how funny it would be if he actually came out with those on. Yes. Yes. Which he should have at the end of the... He should have. You're absolutely right, Armin. As grumpy as he was throughout this episode, there are moments of humor that Worf brings,

the holding of the swimsuit on the shuttle earlier when he looks over at Bashir, do not hug me. Oh, that made me laugh out loud. Oh, my God, there was some funny minutes. Yeah, yeah, his dry delivery in moments. Yeah, so Worf doesn't want to put on his man kini and then a man enters. And he is with the new essentialist movement.

We learned that there's this... Two men, if I may. Two men, yes. Thank you. Yes. They come in. They are part of the new essentialist move. The bollian comes in, too?

I thought it was just the Fullerton. No, the bollian comes into. It just as insane. Frank goes to say anything. We learn that the new essentialists are against all of this rise of stuff, the self-indulgence. They're like Puritans. Yes.

They're almost religious without any religious reference, but... Correct. Yeah, very moral. Which is the other side of when you're... The title, let he is who, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. They are the unenlightened. Yes, fundamentalists in a way. Yes, thank you.

Yeah. I mean, I guess it comes from, we're going to learn that it comes from this idea that the federation is all about hard work. So it's not really a religious drive. But there's a pure, like, frivolous, you don't care. There's a judgment for sure. Thank you. There's a judgment. And every time he came on, I wanted to say, we're on vacation, though.

We're taking a break from the stress of war. This doesn't work for me at all. This is the weirdest, like, where are we going with this? Yeah. Well, Fullerton is his name. He invites Worf to a protest, basically, and says they intend to shut all this down. And we can see Wharf is interested in this. He's intrigued.

Out into the solarium area, Worf still in his uniform, did not put on his man, Keeney. He's reading the new essentialist writings, and he's really into this. And Dax shows up. She wishes he would stop reading these fundamentalist beliefs and just change out of his uniform and relax. So, Worf is not interested.

wants to read about the new essentialists, and he tells Dex. It wouldn't hurt you to read this. So he's very controlling, Terry. Look, the red flags that are flying in my face, I mean, I honestly had some triggering moments watching this. I bet. It mirrored my life on several relief. In real life. Yeah. Yes. And to watch that, it was a little, not painful. I mean, I've worked on a lot of work, but it just revealed how, um, toxic past relationships were yeah well how toxic this relationship is and i never thought of dax and wharf as having a toxic relationship but this makes me feel so uneasy as a grown-up who's worked on their stuff and can see where i went wrong in the past and why and i'm not saying the why from dax but it i don't understand how she's

I don't know. I don't get it. I don't get how she's acting the way she is. Yeah. Well, we go inside a cubicle. Lita is getting a massage, a sonic massage. It's a nice camera move. It's a nice camera move. Yeah. And she looks gorgeous. Two things. The masseuse, the Risen, Risen, Rizian, how do you say it? Rizian. Rizian. The Rizian masseuse is my friend Marty. Oh, really? Yeah. He was also on Voyager as a featured extra. We talked about him before, I think. So a friend of mine from back in the day. This is the scene that was filmed differently.

They filmed without any clothes on? Yes. She was in a bathtub with no clothes on with just at the edge where you can, you know, she was leaned up against the edge and he was massaging her hand. That's too bad. It must have looked great. Yeah. And they took it out and they did this one. I feel like Star Trek, if I'm being honest, in the 90s in our day, made me uncomfortable. when they dealt with sexuality. And I don't know if it was the writing. I don't know if it was just the costuming. But it felt exploitive often. Yeah, and a little forced.

But the way that they wrote characters speaking and dealing with sexuality didn't feel right. It always felt exploitive and not natural. Like people wouldn't do this if they were really attracted to each other. It just they never quite got it right to me. me, our show or your show. I think Terry had the right word for it, puritanical. As much as they wanted to break that and they wanted to talk about sexuality, they were

leashed in by puritanical bounce, whether that came from the studio, whether that came from the head office, whether they came from the writer's room, don't know, but there was a puritanical feeling to Star Trek that I don't think they ever got over, at least not in the Berman years anyway. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It was awkward. It was just always awkward to me. Yeah.

All the shows. Whether it was TNG or your show or our show, whenever stories got into that area of human experience, I always felt like something's off here. It just doesn't feel real. When they dealt with it in a farcical way, it was sexy and fun, but not in a dramatic way. Yeah. It wasn't done. It didn't feel like those were. discussions, which could have been very interesting.

Yeah. Well, Lita's getting her massage in the reshoot scene. She's explaining how hard it is to be a Dabo girl. But Bashir is not there. I was a little confused. I was like, wait, didn't they come together? And they seem so excited to be here together. But she's with another dude getting a massage.

It's a MacGuffin. I mean, we're meant to think that. We're meant to think that. Yeah. But the massage of her naked is even more like, whoa. Because the whole thing is at the end, Dax has to take Worst's head and physically turn it to make him get out of there. So he's staring.

Initially, I thought he was staring because of Lita's nakedness. But really, he was shocked that Bashir was not there. That's what his whole stare was. But it would have been more impactful if they left it in the back time. Yeah. It just, the other way doesn't seem like a little cleavage. And Dax is now suddenly it bothers me. Yeah.

That wouldn't happen. I mean, I think that it bothered Dax to be protective of Lita. And in fact, it would have been better if she was in the bathtub and he was in the bathtub with her. Yes, that would have you seen. You see what I'm saying? Now we wouldn't know. Okay. There's two naked people.

And as far as cleavage goes, have they ever been to Cork's bar? Exactly. Not a big deal. No, it's not. But they make it like it is. Dax and Wharf walk out to the Salarium. Worf is offended by this. And Dax says, this is none of our business.

You know, Dax wants to go take in some sites. And Worf says, no, I can't. I'm going to the essentialist rally. And I plan to attend it. And I like Dax's line. You're kidding. You're not kidding. You realize this.

We go out to the beach and there's a big crowd out there. Wharf brings Dax to hear Fullerton and the essentialist talk. And they see Bashir with another woman out here on the beach. He's kissing her, right? Yeah, yeah. Days after his baby has been born. It must have been uncomfortable for Sid. Had to be uncomfortable.

I'll share a coincidence. So I was doing this mini-series, a Jackie Collins mini-series back in 1990. Jackie Collins wrote all these trashy books. I did a Daniel Steele. Yeah. Mini-series. Yeah, yeah. I did this mini-series called Lucky Chances that was whatever.

And Nicolette Sheridan was the lead, one of the leads of it. And I played a character who was like a politician's son that gets married to Nicolette. She said, She said she dumps him, and she's just trying to, you know, make her way up the power play or whatever. But my daughter, Taylor, in 1990, was born at about one in the morning. And that same morning after she was born, I had to go do the wedding scene in Pasadena with Nicolette Sheridan. And I had a 7 a.m. call or something. Oh, my God. I had not slept all night because it was a C-section.

I think I maybe dozed off for a half hour or something at 4 a.m. My daughter had just been born. Your first child. Yeah, six hours of that. I'm standing on set rehearsing a wedding scene, marrying Nicolette Sheridan. And I was just like, what is happening in the world? It was like, it was like Sid, though. That's why I share that.

I had the same kind of morning with having a kid and then having to go to a wedding scene. Having your first child. The show must go on. So, yes, we're at the beach. There's this essentialist rally. They see Bashir. Arandis joins them. And at this point, she's dismissing Fullerton in these essentially.

She's like, oh, they're wasting their time. It's a show. It's a show. Let them do what they want. Everybody's here to do what they want. If that's what they want to do, fine. Yeah, bless them. Yeah.

Fullerton does arrive and gives this big speech where he says they're all like children, like lazy, spoiled children. And they need to embrace hard work. That's what created the Federation. He says, if you don't, heaven help you. So there's a little religious... It's called Calvinism. That's exactly what it is.

Calvinism. Calvinism is you have to work hard for God to appreciate you. Okay, so he finishes his judgey speech, and we go back to the Solarium. Worf, Dax and Bashir are sitting there. And Worf tells Dax and Bashir that Fullerton is right. That the Klingons, you know, are attacking right now. because they think the Federation is soft and weak. So he's kind of justifying this Klingon War with, well, it makes sense.

You guys are just, you know, you're not working hard. You're not taking this seriously. And Lita arrives. And before you go any further, I have to say this, that this episode was done 30 years ago. Yeah. That's the same argument that we're hearing today from our government. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. It's a timeless argument, right? I want Dax to slap Wharf and go, wake up, wake up, you know, get out of whatever this reptilian brain you're in, wake up. But if I may, we know Worf's background, you say it in this episode. Yeah. He was raised by humans. Humans, yes, he looks Kling on, but his culture, it's the debate between nurture and nature.

Yes. Okay. And they're fighting back and forth. But Worf overdoes being a cling on. I mean, I'm not saying Michael does it. I'm saying Worf over does. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I understand.

Yes, to prove that he is because he doesn't feel validated. Overcompensating. Well, Lita arrives and kisses Bashir. So now, you know, they've got an open relationship, it appears, at this point. Which is none of our business. Yes. Yeah, but it's, it's worth business in this scene. He's very upset.

I know, but it's still none of it. of our business. It's so weird. Of course. Warrh says they dishonor each other. And Bashir and Lita explain that they're conducting the Bajoran right of separation. This is part of the process of breaking up in a Bajoran tradition. It's a reminder that they, why they love each other, and they share that, and then they head off to discuss it when we hear this commotion nearby, and we cut around to another part of of Riza here and they're tearing up the place. The essentialists are pulling down curtains and

they have phaser rifles. Phaser rifles. Their people are running and yelling and Dax grabs a phaser rifle and realizes it's not even loaded. And Fullerton says, you know, this proves how soft and vulnerable everybody is because we could just come in here and they can't defend themselves. And we didn't want to hurt anyone. Yeah. Right. But we wanted to wake you up and scare you and to understand your point of view. Yeah. Yeah. And Dax says, you know what?

I could arrest you for what you just did. And he goes, nah, the risons are too soft. They're not even going to prosecute us. They don't have the courage to stand up to us. And he finishes the scene with a reference to Wharf. He goes, you know, maybe Dax doesn't understand, but I think you understand. So he's kind of like seducing Worf into this cult. I would quibble with Dax's statement that I could arrest.

you. I don't see that as part of her skills or her ability or her authority. She is, she is an officer, yes. She's not security. She's not military police. She's not Starfleet. And, you know, she's a science officer. So does she have the capability to arrest somebody is the question? Right. You're saying no. He's a civilian. Well, we're military officers. Can a military officer walk into a room and arrest someone who's not military? No. I don't think so. I just feel it sounds. It's sloppy. The language, yeah, I was going to say lazy. It feels like lazy language.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. And also, I mean, I'm wearing the same bathing suit the entire time, which is a little gross. I'm sorry. Yeah, you needed some other vacation outfits. I mean, seriously. Right?

But you wore the same uniform for seven years. No, I did not. I had different uniforms that looked the same. I had three. And I bet you had three. too. Oh, I had more than three, but they weren't uniform. But you know what the right? Well, Worf is staring at the statue. Dax says, you know, come to bed. You had like a nightgown on or something here. I didn't have a teddy. In my notes, I called it a teddy. It's just like a slip. A chemise.

A chemise. A chemise. It's a chemise. Well, it's not that yucky bathing suit. You got a shamee's on. Something different. It's just the point is we're all in vacation. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know about you, but I pack more than one bathing suit if I'm going to a beach vacation. Of course. Well, Worf wants to discuss their relationship here. He says, you know, she is too impulsive. And he says, what you do, Dax, reflects on me.

That was like, what the, are you kidding? He says that. Yeah. I mean, are we back in the 50s? And it's a parental thing, right? It was awkward. Because I remember feeling that growing up. It was like, you represent.

me. Yeah. It's a very narcissistic thing to say. Yeah. When he said that, I mean, I kept thinking the hits keep on coming from Wharf and I was waiting for you to break up with him. I thought that's what's going to happen in this episode. Dax dumps Wharf. I'm done. She's very nice to him though. She says, you know what? I, because he says, I wish you were different because what you do reflects me. And she goes, well, I wish you were different. I wish you'd have more fun, but we're not going to change each other. Like you're going to be you. She's a Buddha in this. He's got the right attitude. She's Buddha. She keeps coming at him with love. Coming at him with love. Peace and love. It's just remarkable. Well, she goes to bed. He says he'll be in there in a little while. And we have a time cut the next morning. The Risons have cleaned up this mess. The Fullerton and his guys destroyed. They've cleaned it up pretty quickly. Dax is frustrated with Worf here. And Arandus is there. Asks if she needs a diversion.

and remembers that Curzon really loved it here. You know, come have some fun. And Dax says, no, Dax offers to help clean up the mess. And Arandis's response says, well, all that is ours is yours. So she's happy to have you help. That was sweet. That was a cute moment. Yeah, it was nice.

Out in the garden, Bashir and Leda are doing this ceremony. They're kneeling in front of each other, the separation ceremony. Quark is the witness to this separation ceremony. You have to have a witness. And he's very disappointed when it's over. Where were the fireworks? Like, where was the screaming and the yelling? Too tame for Cork.

Yeah. But you're like, no, this is great. I feel good. There's no drama. There's no hurt feelings. And Lita goes, yeah, me too. Finally, I can be honest. And she shares she was having feelings for someone else while they were dating.

And Maya, he goes, immediately thinks it's me. Right. Right. It was sweet. But she was looking at you, so I could, that wasn't completely out of place that your character was like. Yeah. Well, that was Renee setting that up. I mean, that's the angle of the camera.

Yeah. Cute. Yeah, but she reveals it's wrong that she's been thinking about. And Bashir is in shock. More than shock. A little jealous. Very jealous, yeah. The no hurt feelings.

And it's kind of icky that sharing that the overlap of not that that's not real. it just felt like yeah it feels why did you have to make it such a long period of time not the last couple of weeks but she says the last couple of months that's like

why did you wait so long to say goodbye to this exactly again another missed step I think I know a misstep we have that very sitcomy beat here Lita says Rom he's so cute

and very sexy Bashir goes cute Quark goes sexy and Bashir and Quir and Quark together Rom like that I loved your delivery of sexy. It was the perfect, it was like salt and pepper, you know.

It was like, Sid was salt, you were pepper. And then it just was a beautiful, well-played comic moment. Not surprised of your talent, but it was just another laugh-out-loud moment in this episode. Which this episode needs. Yes. Yeah, well, there are only a couple, but yours was one of them. Thank you. I like at the end when you hand Bashir the horgan and you're like, here, you need this more.

Right, right, right. Yeah, that was good too. It's a very good button. We do find Wharf's looking for Dax. He comes around the corner, finds Dax with Arandis molding some clay, this giant phallic symbol. It's the ghost moment, the movie Ghosts. Yes. But may I say something about this?

Okay, she was, it was scripted that Vanessa Williams' character had her whole body around me like they had it in ghost. But she was so tiny next to me. Oh, it didn't look right with her arms around. You couldn't see her. I'm six feet tall and she's like behind me and it was like these little arms. We had to work with it being in another angle. Which I don't think is like, not unlike Lita being in the bathtub, it was not nearly as sexual or kind of misunderstanding. I don't get why he got so crazy.

But I can understand if they made it look more sexual that she was around me and kind of holding me and having her hands on mine really like how it was in ghost. that would have been more impactful. For sure. So maybe they should have had me behind her. Yes. Right? Just because my body could have done it. Well, Worf is really angry and jealous and upset.

He turns around, goes in the other room, picks up the Horrigon statue that's in your quarters and he throws it against the wall and it smashes into two pieces. Yeah. It looks like a preset prop. I don't even know if it's smashed into two, Robbie. I think it's smashed. Like a bit chipped off or something.

It was... Oh, my gosh. I had to see this the second time before I went, oh, that's why he's upset. The first time I... You're like, why is he so upset? And he throws a statue. This is, I don't get this drama. Yeah.

Well, he throws it against in the corner of the room and it breaks. And now we cut to Fullerton's room. And Fullerton's frustrated. It's just not working fast enough. They're not making a big enough difference. And that's when Worf enters. And he says, I know. what will work. So Worf's now gone to the dark side. He's a Calvinist. He's beyond gone to the dark side.

What he's about to do is a violation of the first principle of Starfleet. He's interfering with another culture's way of life. The prime directive. Absolutely right. Certainly one of them. That's one of the big knocks on this episode from fandom and from even for the writers. if you think about it, what he did that he had no consequences for. He should have been court-martialed for what he did. Okay? I mean, sorry. You can't just do that.

Oh, my gosh. Well, we come back from our commercial break and Bashir and Quark are discussing discuss Dax and Warf. They're discussing right in front of Dax their situation, but it's like Dax isn't even there. She says,

will you two please stop talking about me? Like, I'm not here. Which guys do? Which guys do? Yes. Actually, I really like this scene with the three of us because it feels very relaxed and in a real life kind of way. And we don't get very many of those moments in Deep Space Nine. Right.

So I really appreciated that three of us got to, it felt play together. Yes, it was three friends having a good time on the scene. Absolutely. And calling me out. It's a nice scene that you don't see often on DS9. Yeah, it is a nice scene. And I'm the only one talking the truth about Warfield. Yes, you are.

You're talking the truth. And then Dax is defending him and kind of saying, yes, he may not be perfect, but he's the one that I want. And I don't know. Why? Why do you want it? Why? I don't understand. Kitty and I had a very close friend who we knew separately, not together.

And when he found out that these two friends that he knew were getting married, he said, it'll never work. Was he right? I don't know it's 44 years later maybe he was wrong I don't know oh you're talking about you guys oh I thought you were talking about somebody else oh yeah I thought you're talking about somebody else oh that's funny oh my gosh dead wrong I can't even imagine you not together it'd be so hard it's like you know it's almost like we think of our we think kitty and armin we don't think of just armin alone so it's always a combo and usually yeah and it's right that's the right billing by the way yes it's not armin and kitty kitty kitty and

I do love corks, my little line here. Well, no sense waiting around here for him, talking about Wharf. I say we take some floaters up into the hills and go skinny dipping in the hot springs. I was like, what, what quark is this? Who is this guy? It was like, ooh. Actually, sounded like a really good idea to me, too. You should say, let's go, quark is what you should have said.

It did feel out of character for quark being here, just the way that he engaged this whole experience. I feel like Quark's always got an angle. Even if he doesn't come into it planning an angle, he would discover an opportunity and go down that rabbit hole. And I wish that he, maybe he came here thinking he was going to go on vacation. And then it would have been a more interesting story. And I would have understood Quark if he discovered a business opportunity

and then was trying to make that happen as a B story. Well, if you think of it, what's his purpose for being there? And they should have exported a tiny, bit, which is he's, they've asked him, Lita and Bashir have asked him to be the witness. And so he's coming along not only for a vacation, but also to play the witness. That and that was his purpose. And because he's friends with Dax, primarily and Worf, you know, he's included in those conversations as well. But, but you're right. I kind of felt like they didn't give me anything to do in the previous episode, so they gave you something to do in this episode. I think we're overloaded on scenes with Dax's and

war of having this frustration with each other. They could have, you know, edited out a few of those and added a real storyline for you. Yeah. Added more quarks sense. Because your character, what I like about this episode for your character is I feel relaxed when you're on screen because it's not messing with what makes sense in my head for the characters. You know what I mean? So it's like like a piece in a painting where there's like, oh, something relaxing

for your eye? Yes. You were very comforting whenever Quark came in. Very necessary piece of the painting that makes it like work. And yeah, I just love your character in this. I just wish they would have given you more to do or even just showed you with different women every time. Yeah. That would have been amazing in different situations like in the hot tub or down the hot springs or, you know, whatever. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I would have liked that too. I would have liked that too. I would have liked that. It would have worked. Well, Arrandes shows up.

She says she can't find Worf anywhere. And suddenly there's lightning in the room, which is not supposed to happen. This is a beautiful, sunny place all the time. There shouldn't be lightning. And she says, well, something must be wrong with the weather grid. So we've learned from Worf earlier that this is a, the weather is controlled here. He says this place is all fake. It's manufactured.

It would be a jungle. Okay. So what? We go out to the solarium. People are, you know, dealing with the rain. It's a really strong storm. And Arandis tells all the vacationers that they will fix the grid very soon. They'll get the sun back.

And Fullerton arrives and says, nope, you can't. You're not going to get it back really soon. And Worf admits he did all this. And Dax and Bashir and Kork can't believe it. They're shocked that he's done it. And Worf stands by what he did. He says, if the Federation citizens can't handle a little bad weather, how will they handle a dominion invasion? So he's very committed to this.

A little bit later, the lightning and the thunder are continuing cork comes inside from the rain. I kind of like that shot. It was like down that hallway and you see a storm. That was very pretty. Yeah. I like that too. We do learn that Ferengis have 178 words for rain. I never knew that.

It's a very rainy planet. Ferengenar is a very rainy planet. We do learn one of the words that Ferengi have for rain because Quark says, right now, it's Glebbening out there. So Glebening is a for for wringy word for horrible rain, I'm guessing, like hardcore rain. I like that word, glebening. Lebaning. We should start using that from now.

Glebening? It sounds a little Yiddish to me. It does. It does, yeah. Arandus tries to keep the guests entertain. She talks about indoor hoverball. But it's getting bad. Things are getting bad.

And we cut over to Fullerton's room. He's very happy that people are leaving Riza. And Worf is happy too. He says it's working. Now people will take a moment. They'll stop their vacations and all their hedonistic behavior. And they'll think about this message that Fullerton's been trying to share. And Worf says he's done on Riza and he leaves.

And Fullerton says, you know, tomorrow they're going to be able to fix the grid. And it's not enough. We have to do more. But he has a plan. So bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, a little mustache twirling there. And Frank's character tells us the 30% of the population or the guests on Riza have left. Yeah. So 30% is good, but it's not enough for Fulner.

I don't know. He wants more. He wants 100%. But why would affecting Riza have anything to do with the rest of the federation? Yeah, it's much bigger than this little planet, this little beach in Malibu. There should have been a backstory for a reason that he has so much disdain for Riza. Like he had something bad happened to him there and he wants to get back at them. Yeah. You know, it just is empty. There's no fuel. behind any of this. Perhaps it needs another character. Perhaps it needs a high mucky muck from Federation government to be there. And for Fullerton to be trying to affect that person.

You guys are high, but you're only on a space station. Somebody from Starfleet headquarters. Yeah, like an admiral. Right, to try to convince them. Yes. Another missing scene. Wow, we're giving everybody a lot today. Yeah. I think this is a complete rewrite.

We've written the whole thing now. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Back in Dax and Worf's room, Dax is really mad. She says that this isn't about Fullerton or Arandis. It's about the two of them. He says he doesn't want to lose her. And she asks why. And he tells a very long story, backstory about a boy who was accidentally hurt playing soccer and that that boy died. That Worf. you know, accidentally. The hit heads, but Worf didn't feel it at all with his Klingon head. His Klingon head. And those human boy. Turtle shellhead. Got crushed.

Yeah. After that, he always believed and remembered that humans are very fragile and he's always got to practice restraint. And she says that explains a lot. And that's a very nice moment for you, Terry. So good this scene. Thank you. Yeah, this was great for the two of them.

But to me, this had nothing to do with Fullerton. It was just wonderful for Daxon Wharf to have this conversation. And there should have, I think, more conversations, kind of like little appetizers. And then this is the meal, not this one note story. And suddenly we have this scene. And now I'm like, great, we're okay now. Yeah, it feels like this one story he shares about the boy and his backstory is enough to go, okay, it's fine, the way you've been acting.

Yeah. And messing with the weather grid and. Yeah. Yeah. And somewhere in there, Dax said, it said, well, you hurt me many times over. Hello. Yeah. What were the trips to the hospital?

It is a really nice scene, though, Terry. It is. I don't want to underplay that. It is so beautifully played by you in particular. Thank you. I think you did great work. Thank you. I appreciate that.

I worked hard to get. There, didn't I, Armin? Yes, you did. At the end of the scene, there's a tremor. And Worf knows that this must be the essentialist doing something else. And we head out to Fullerton's room. Fullerton's thrilled. People are running everywhere.

He just wants to push it more. And the bully and Mr. Copac in the room, Frank Copac says, no, you can't push it anymore. It's going to destroy everything. here. Every house will, everybody will be killed or hurt. And that's when Daxon Wharf arrive and they demand the uplink control. They restore the weather link. And Fullerton is very disappointed. Worf says he's turning his back on the Federation. And then he slaps Worf. Oh, oh. Like, what are you doing? But why? Why does he slap him? That's the dumbest thing ever.

physical violence that I did not see that coming from Follerton. It's out of character. It's so stupid. There's no reason for him to slap him. There's just none whatsoever. No. Push him maybe, yes, but slap him. And let's have a duel.

Yeah, let's have a duel. Grandpa Fulton. And according to the things we've learned about Klingon culture, if he slaps him a certain way, it's death to the, you know. It's a duel indeed. So it's like... The duel to the death is what it is. Yeah, due to the death.

But it doesn't make sense. And it just... And he just told the story about how we killed that boy and how he has great restraint. Right. Not, what, 20 seconds later, he's throwing this guy across the room? Well, before he throws him, he does something that he's never done before, nor do I think he's capable of doing.

He lifts him off the ground way up. I said, when did you become Spider-Man? Exactly. With one arm. With one arm? What is that? I've never seen that. He's still Klingon.

He's still pretty strong. I have never seen a Klingon. Do that. No, no, no. I'm sorry. You're right. No, Armand's right.

And I think more than Spider-Man, it was like Superman. Yeah. Because it was, Spider-Man's like kind of lith. It just, yeah. And I thought,

what is that? Yeah. There's many, ways you can you can respond to that slap but that one just is out of the universe it's wrong it's wrong it would be like me lifting someone up like that it doesn't make any difference no the level of rage after the conversation he just had with me that level of rage in this storyline that didn't have to do with me having him think that i am betraying him is odd too like with how he has his storyline you would think if he was going to act out like that, it would have been about me being with Arandas.

Right. So not about, it was just none of it. I don't know. Terry, how about this? At that moment, when he gets slapped, he picks up Grandpa Fullerton. At that moment, he looks over at you and you give him that look like, we just had this talk about self-restraint. And he lets him down. Yeah. He doesn't take him and throw him across the room like a rag doll. Both hands. Both. Both. hands by the collar like yeah you know what i'm saying just show the restraint that you just talked about that you have right don't there's no consistency for any of the characters other than i think quirk lita and dr bachir yeah but even the leader and bashear is out of the blue too because we haven't seen that relationship exactly that is weird too yeah well we go out to the beach the

sun is back up and cork cork says figures the sun comes back the day i'm leaving i thought that was funny it's a nice hero shot of uh everyone walking down the beach i love that shot too we used to sign a lot of that picture i don't know what happened to it but oh really that's great well lita's happy to go back uh cork goes to find bashear he says the last time he saw him uh he had a horgan so he brought a horgan down to breakfast and that's the last time I saw him. Arandus comes to say goodbye to Curzon's,

has come back any time, and Worf wants to watch both of the suns set, which I thought was a nice little detail. Dax wants to go for a swim. Worf says, I don't have a bathing suit. But he does. He's got the mankini from earlier. The gold LeMay suit.

He does have that. But not with him. No with him. So that's when he says, I didn't bring it. And Dax says, I won't tell if you won't, if you don't. And they go off in the sunset swimming. And when you got two suns setting, I like that shot with the two suns. Yeah, it's nice.

Nice phys effect shot. And I really liked it because the episode was over at that point. I wrote down, restraint can go too far and prevent you from experiencing true happiness. I like that. Terfair? Pay attention to red flags. Okay. And the green one.

ones and the yellow ones, but when there are more red flags than any other color, hit it, hit the road, Jack. Perfect. Armand Shimmerman. I wrote, trust is a fundamental element in relationships, but it takes time to earn and can be easily broken. Amen to that. Very well spoken. Yeah, so my lesson from this episode is this is this is the, episode everyone should watch and realize everything wharf does is what you should not do in a relationship this is like this is like literally a primer guide for do not act like this all right our patreon poll winner for a theme slash lesson slash more of this episode as submitted by cody is even star trek ds9 produced a genuinely terrible episode oh yes yes we did and it's not the only one

but this is a pretty bad one. Ouch. But there is a silver lining. He's even DS9, meaning Cody feels that DS9 is the best of all. Even DS9 can produce a poopy episode. All right. Well, that's it for this episode. Everyone, thanks for joining us.

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