The Delta Flyers - Lineage

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, everyone. And welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow Voyager actor, Garrett Wong, who, in 1998, played Troy Tashima in the film 100% and myself your favorite helmsman Robert Duncan McNeil

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Starting point is 00:00:44 forward slash the Delta Flyers well hello this hello if you recall from the last episode we did of the Delta Flyers

Starting point is 00:00:53 yes you did the intro then as well and you gave yourself you said me, Robert Duncan McNeil, Robert Dunck, Robert, Robbie Dean. So let's just go through everything that you've been called, because I asked about that last. I said, let's go through every iteration of your nicknames throughout your life.

Starting point is 00:01:11 So as a kid, were you ever Robert from your parents? Only if I was in trouble, I was Robert. Okay. Otherwise, it was Rob. Otherwise, I was Robbie. Okay. When I first started acting professionally, I briefly was Duncan McNeil. That's right. People called me Duncan. Yep.

Starting point is 00:01:27 I was Dunkin' Donuts as a kid. Will you ever Rob? I'm Rob sometimes still, but not often. Who calls you Rob? People that don't know me very well. And sometimes I'll introduce myself, like, to strangers. Like, if I'm at Starbucks and they say, what name do you want? I'll just say Rob.

Starting point is 00:01:45 Because it's easy. It's fast. Yeah. Rob. Easy for them to write. I get my coffee quicker. It's great. Okay.

Starting point is 00:01:53 Ethan Phillips calls me Robbie D. Robbie D. Robbie D, I get that a lot. R.D.M. I'll get a lot. McDunk, I'll get from my friend Steve Caffrey. Is there anyone that just says McNeil to you? Yeah, you? Besides me, other than me.

Starting point is 00:02:10 Some people say McNeil. Yeah? Yeah, you get that a little bit? Yeah. All right. I think that's it. Let's get back to Troy Tashima. 1998.

Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah, let's get back. This was in the middle of our show, right? It was. It was. But yeah, this was an independent film from a director who I'd worked with when he was filming his USC graduate thesis film. It was a project called Angry Cafe, and I got cast as the lead for that. It was a short film. Right, right. Yeah, so basically Eric Kuyenagi, the writer, director of Angry Cafe, the USC short film that I did,

Starting point is 00:02:48 he went on to do this feature-length film called 100%. And he pretty much brought everyone from the crew that he, yeah, that he did Angry Cafe with, so all his fellow classmates from the USC School of Film and Television to work on 100%. And I played the role of Troy Tashima. It's a story of three friends who are living in Los Angeles, three Asian-American friends, different walks of life. And it was myself, Dustin Wynn from 21 Jump Street, another well-known Asian-American actor. And also one of the Bosco brothers, actually, I think two of them were.

Starting point is 00:03:21 worked on 100%. But my character, there's a monologue in there where he's trashes on Sulu from the original series saying, like, he never got the woman, he never got the gal, he did this, that, you know, he was sort of just a secondary character, this and that. And I actually refused to say that because I was filming Voyager at the time. I was like, look, guys, I'm not going to trash Star Trek while I'm working on Star Trek. And they were like, yeah, but that's what makes this line hilarious and silly me i stuck to my guns and in hindsight if i had to do it all again i said heck yeah let me bag into have fun with it yeah have fun with it exactly the fans would would have loved that and i want to thank you you and a couple other voyage members showed up to

Starting point is 00:04:07 the screening of i remember that yeah it was at the dGA i think where they had it so um thank you for showing up for that but it was a fun film but that can be found i think i think that's available online somewhere I bet it is. 100% of the film. Yeah, I bet you can find it on Amazon or Apple TV or something like that. And this week's episode is lineage. Lineage.

Starting point is 00:04:28 All right. Super excited about this episode. Let's go watch it and we'll come back and we will recap and give you our thoughts on lineage. Sounds good. For our Patreon, patrons, stick around for your bonus material. Well, well, well, looky who we have as our guest to, for the recap, for the entire recap. You said, Lucan, you don't like Lucky.

Starting point is 00:04:58 No, it's good. It's looky, lucky who we have. Let's welcome our wonderful colleague from Star Trek Voyager, Roxanne. Dawson, thank you, Roxanne. Hey, guys. Hey, rocks. Y'all looking good. Oh, you know, you're looking good.

Starting point is 00:05:13 Yes, you're looking good. You look better than both of us combined. So, all right. start right off with this beginning of this episode let's jump right into it and let us do our poetry synopsis yes okay so here is my haiku yes lineage which will be followed by robbie's limerick for lineage i like that all right here we go my haiku for lineage yes can't wait pregnant balana the past returns to haunt her proton saves ridges You're Captain Proton.

Starting point is 00:05:52 You save the ridges. Yeah. Naves ridges. Yes. The ridges on, you know, your baby girl. Proton saves ridges. Yeah. It sounds like a catchphrase from a commercial.

Starting point is 00:06:02 Proton saves ridges. It does, but for a potato chip commercial. Yes, exactly. Something like that. The ruffles route. It's like ruffles have ridges. It's sort of the... Poton saves ruffles is what I should have said.

Starting point is 00:06:14 Yeah. All right. Let's hear your limit. I love your limerick. Let's go. Here we go. Yeah. I got to loosen up. Yeah, loosen up, man.

Starting point is 00:06:24 Okay. Balana and Tom get a family upgrade, a new baby, but Balana's a bit afraid. As a child traumatized, she wants some DNA revised. Then she learns all perfect just the way we're made. Wow. Look at that. There's your limerick. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:44 Limerick synopsies. What do you think of that, Roxanne? You like that limerick? You like the hik? I am so impressed with both of these. I can't even tell you. All right. So let's go through these guest stars that we have on this show.

Starting point is 00:06:58 Juan Garcia, who played John Torres, father of Bellana Torres in the flashback scenes. And his first credit that I could find was the 1989 film, The Banker. We also have a really talented young actress playing Young Balana. That's Jessica, Jessica Gauna, I think. I don't know if that's a correct pronunciation. Roxanne, can you help me on that? G-A-O-N-A. Do you remember how she pronounced that name?

Starting point is 00:07:23 G-A-O-N-A. Yeah, G-A-O-N-A is the last name. It sounds right. Gona, okay, Gona. Playing young Bologna, very first credit, was an episode of ER in 1994. Oh, wow. Is she still acting? Did you find?

Starting point is 00:07:39 No, I don't think she is, yeah. But I felt she did a great job. She was great. Did you meet her, Roxanne? Did you ever meet her? I don't think I did. I wouldn't think so. In fact, I think the first time that I saw any of those scenes

Starting point is 00:07:53 was when the show aired. Okay, how funny. It wasn't there when it was all shots. Well, let me continue with our stars. Okay, Javier Grejeda. Javier played Carl. And very first credit for Javier would be a feature film called One from the Heart from 1981.

Starting point is 00:08:12 So that's a while back. One from the Heart was a kind of, of a big flop is what that was but oh you were wasn't it the uh the musical in Vegas or something oh my goodness it was like Francis Ford Coppola was that one from the heart uh I think that was the move is it are you sure maybe I don't know I feel like one from the heart was that big Francis Ford Coppola musical that was a flop it's legendary if I'm thinking of the right movie okay okay he was a part of that yes lucky guy yeah lucky guy Paul Robert Langdon, who played the very mean little Dean, Dean, the little bully cousin.

Starting point is 00:08:53 Then he apologized. He does apologize, but you know, I mean, you don't stick worms on your cousin's sandwiches. That's just rude. That is just rude. Unless your cousin is a bird and then giving them a worm sandwich is a really nice thing. Yes. It's all context, isn't it? I mean, you have to look at it that way.

Starting point is 00:09:10 Okay, very first credit, a 1995 film called My Family, My Family, which I think is a first Francis Ford Coppola film, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, which is crazy. As one from the heart, really? Well, not one from the heart, but my family, another film called my... So that's why I was wondering if Robbie was confusing that for one from the heart. But if one from the heart is his... I had just looked it up, and you were right, Robbie.

Starting point is 00:09:36 It was just, it was... Was it? It was Francis Ford Coppola's musical that was a big flop. Oh, my gosh. I wish I was in that movie. Okay. Well, this is crazy because... Dean and Carl, the actors that played Carl and Dean, are both, their first credits were both

Starting point is 00:09:51 Francis Ford Coppola films, which is insane. Wow. The budget from one from the heart was $26 million, and it's gross with $637,000. Exactly. This is in 1981. It was a $26 million film in 81. Which, by the way, in $81, $26 million film was like a $300 million film right now, exactly. It's huge.

Starting point is 00:10:16 26 mil and 81. Oh my gosh. Okay. Moving on, Nicole Sarah Fellows, who played cousin Elizabeth. Cousin Elizabeth. I found the first credit to be kind of a tie. Alien Resurrection in 1997 and Mad City in 1997.

Starting point is 00:10:33 So I think we have a feature film and a television credit. And finally rounding out our guest stars, we have Gilbert R. Leal. Gilbert R. Leal played Michael, the other cousin. 1994 touched by an angel very first script yeah we all know that show

Starting point is 00:10:49 we all do okay you want to talk about writer and director James Kahn did we guess those right anything we did everything wrong everything wrong

Starting point is 00:10:57 we we guessed before we went and watched it Roxanne we we guessed it who wrote and directed totally wrong James Kahn wrote the script right not the actor not the actor K-A-H-N like Madeline and Khan spelling. James Kahn.

Starting point is 00:11:15 I don't really remember James. He was a producer on our show the last season, but I think James had come and gone as a freelancer, and I don't know how he was connected. But our last season, James Kahn, was actually a supervising producer. Well, Roxanne, do you remember talking to him for this, with this episode, about this episode? No.

Starting point is 00:11:34 Okay. No, and I feel like I would have. I know. Yeah, which is. I don't know if he wasn't around, and I was talking to somebody else about it because there's no way. Yeah. that I wouldn't have to talk to you.

Starting point is 00:11:45 Knowing Roxanne Dawson, every single avenue would have been explored and nothing would have been unearthed by Roxanne Dawson. So yes, I really do feel like you did speak with James Kahn, but you probably just don't recall that meeting. Because this is such a heavy character piece. This really is this character. I mean, you must have had that conversation. How Roxanne did such detailed and thorough homework.

Starting point is 00:12:11 We would come on set and I would see my script open with like a maybe a word written here or there. And then I'd see Roxanne's script open. And it had Post-it notes and charts and graphs and- Like PowerPoint presentation. I mean, literally, it was covered in thoughts. And you would journal in these scripts and you would really work out a lot of detail that I still think about the kind of detail you did. And I mean that, like, very respectfully, no one else on our show did that kind of detail. I think this is a side business for you, Roxanne.

Starting point is 00:12:48 I think you can start a business teaching people how to direct and be thorough as a director. And it should be called No Stone Unturned by Roxanne Dawson. And you just show these people everything that you do. I'll tell you, now as a director, when an actor walks onto the set with their scriptation and a million notes and all of this stuff, that's when I start to worry. right i go what are i'm not going to be able to mold you man no you've got a lot of thoughts you figured it out a lot of thoughts just add a half hour to this rehearsal so that's funny that should be part of your uh audition process ruxan the question should be

Starting point is 00:13:27 does this actor take a lot of notes beforehand and prepare because we don't want that we want we want moldable actors of this project okay okay director director was peter lawritson Our supervising producer, right? Our post-producer. Is this this first one? Yes. The Voyager, for us, for us, for us. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:48 It was, which was, yeah, I do remember that. What do you remember from Peter directing you? Yeah. Well, I feel like we both talked about it and knew that we had a really good episode. You know, I felt it was super well-written, and we, but I know he was a bit nervous and excited. And, you know, I think he did a great job. And I felt like we communicated well. So, yeah, bravo to him.

Starting point is 00:14:13 I think he did a great job. I think he did a really great job. Robbie, do you even remember him directing? Because I don't. I honestly don't. Like the main thing I remember is, you know how the names on the buttons? They would be like Rick Berman would be re-B-E-R, like R-I-B-E-R, the first two letters of the first name and the first three letters. And so the button that I pushed all the time at operations was P-Low, Peter Lortson, P-E-E-E-E-R-E-E.

Starting point is 00:14:39 L-A-U. I push that button more than I push any other button. So that is how I know Peter Larson. He's a button to me. I do remember Peter the P-E-L-A-U. Yeah, P-E-L-A-U. Do you remember that, Roxanne? I do. Oh, I remember all those buttons. Oh, my God. It looks Hawaiian. The way it looks, it's like, yeah, the Luao almost, right? So, yeah, I push the lu-ow button every time. Wow. Yeah, Peter Lourtson was our post-production supervisor. his full-time job. He was in charge of the editors, the sound mix, the color correction, the looping. ADR people. He supervised all of those people in post-production, visual effects. He was in charge of making sure those got through the process. Yeah. So he knew the show really,

Starting point is 00:15:26 really well. But yeah, it was his first time directing. And this is a big episode for the first time. Oh, my God. Huge. Yeah. Let's jump into our story. Go, Robbie. So first thing happens. We see Voyager flying through space still in the delta quadrant um we go to a corridor and there's tom and balana that's you and me rocks we're walking down the hall we were young weren't we we were so young it's one of the first things that occurred to me was oh my god we were baby anyway okay yeah i know we were but balana is unusually cheery she's super she's chipper super happy Tom even says you're in such a good mood. She says, another beautiful day in the Delta Quadrant.

Starting point is 00:16:13 And one thing I noticed in that first hallway scene, there was a background person behind us. And that person, I was like, she did a really good reaction. I'm trying to remember her day. I couldn't at first. I think it was Aaron. Was it the blonde lady? Sort of. She would have a bun or something.

Starting point is 00:16:32 Yeah, yeah. She reacted well. But as Balana says, oh, another beautiful. day in the Delta Quadrant, that background person turned like they had never heard Balana say a positive word. And it was really well done. Like a lot of times our background just didn't react to anything. You know, the background would just be very stiff and stoic.

Starting point is 00:16:52 And that was something I noticed in that scene. I was like, good for her. Who is your first AD? Who was the first AD on this episode? Do we remember? Who knows? Because then that's the person that directs the background. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:05 Isn't that person doing that? Yes. Yeah, it would have been them. But anyway, it was just a little detail. I thought, you know, you and I, we were fine in the scene. We were good. But the thing that jumped out with the background person was actually acting, like responding. I loved it.

Starting point is 00:17:22 Well, what jumped out to me is you guys don't typically have that much PDA going on, but you smooch right there in the hallways, which is kind of different for me. I felt. Yeah. Yeah. Roxanne, any thoughts on that? Yeah. No, it was definitely different.

Starting point is 00:17:35 That was a lot of PDA. It's funny. Fans ask me all the time. Like, how is that must be weird, you know, kissing another person. Your TV wife? Yeah, you're not really in a relationship with. I think you and I were very comfortable with any of that stuff. Only my kids find it weird now when they watch it. They go, mom.

Starting point is 00:17:53 You just kissed that guy. That's not Eric. They're very funny when they watch stuff like that. That's funny. It's funny because I don't know. maybe because I started, like, in the theater when I was a teenager doing musicals where you had to kiss somebody or something. It just never felt like...

Starting point is 00:18:14 Romantic or anything. I was never, yeah, never felt to me as an actor, like, oh, there's something real happening here. Yeah. No offense, Roxanne, but you know what I mean? Like, do you know? Like, it felt very comfortable and... Well, yeah. I think my first kiss when I was like, I don't want to say how young I was, was like,

Starting point is 00:18:35 in a scene. I remember I had to like get the guy in a scene. I'm going, I haven't really even kissed yet. I was like, so I kind of began on the stage. Yes, it was so weird. Your first kiss ever, Roxanne was on camera. Is that correct? No, I was doing. Oh, God. On the stage, doing a scene for a class. For class. But that was your first kiss in an acting class? Well, in school. When we were like doing. Like theater, like the drama. Theater, drama class, you know. Okay, fine. Wow. Your first kiss was in a, that's how perfect is that? I know. You guys even, well, would you, I think your kiss looked very natural and it looked good. I do too. You guys are both good kissers.

Starting point is 00:19:16 I'm assuming you both remember that you both kissed well. Yes. Well, we've been through so much already. I mean, even just personally, I mean, I was already given birth, right? We were both. Yeah. And we started this whole thing out, not knowing what it was like to be parents. And I think here we're doing an episode about becoming a parent.

Starting point is 00:19:35 It was kind of like a, you know, wink, wink, like we just both went through that. You know, it's funny. Yeah. We know exactly, you know, where we should be at that way. Yes, that's true. I don't want to forget to mention this. But at the end of watching this episode, Roxanne, it really resonated for me that the writers had written this sort of the conflict, the struggle that this couple had, Tom and Bolana had over some of these issues of parenting. and all that.

Starting point is 00:20:05 A lot of these scenes echoed in my real life. Like I'm like, oh, wow, I wonder if the writers were picking up vibes from me or were you. Like, I feel like how much did they write these characters based on us as real people that they were sort of absorbing or, I don't know. I just, it felt very familiar some of the issues, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:27 Yeah, yeah. I was actually super impressed with us. Yeah, we were not. not bad. It was. I've been like, damn, we're good.

Starting point is 00:20:36 We were pretty good actors. I feel like I yelled at you too much. Let's move it into engineering. This is really interesting because Roxanne comes in there and she grabs this pad. And she says, thank you. Nice job, Benson.

Starting point is 00:20:51 And then she looks at someone else. It's like, hey, you keep the warp field that stable and you might just get us home a few years early. This to me was like a 50 sitcom. It was like, hi, hey.

Starting point is 00:21:01 You know, and then Roxanne's, was unhappy pills. She was. She was. And she sort of dances from station to station. She twirls like a ballerina. It was wonderful. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Roxanne, do you like that scene? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Crazy. High and low. You get it. Yes. The high. Yes. The mood swings are about to hit. Yeah. All right. So next we go to the upstairs, which the second level. The second level in engineering, which we didn't shoot in off. And it was a bit challenging to get the cameras. and things up there. It always slowed us down. So whenever I saw a scene, I was going to play upstairs, I was like, oh, great.

Starting point is 00:21:40 It's going to take twice as long. Yeah, this is going to be a long setup. Yeah, but it was nice. We go upstairs, each have and seven are there. They're working. Can we start a fun to, like, buy each of another outfit? Yeah, he's more in the same outfit for like two years now. For two years.

Starting point is 00:21:57 He doesn't have any other clothing. Okay. Yeah. But they're working upstairs, and Balana arrives. And suddenly her mood swings from the happiest starfleeter on the ship to she's pretty pissed off. Didn't give Eichib permission to work there. Seven says, well, I'm just helping him study work mechanics. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:18 Just snarky. She's snarky. She's not happy. And gets kind of faint as she comes down the steps up there. She kind of falls into seven, tries to walk, but she's a little dizzy. Echab scans her. He says, he's picking up another. He's detecting another life sign.

Starting point is 00:22:35 Another life sign. He thinks it could be a parasite. A parasite. It's inside of her. He doesn't understand. She's being invaded by some alien life form. Seven looks at the scan. She's like, uh, I know what this is.

Starting point is 00:22:51 Falls the doctor. Bala's like, what is it? What is this alien? Seven says, uh, I think you may be pregnant. Yes. Bum bum. Yeah. Huge. I had forgotten this episode was about that. Roxanne, we don't look at this ahead of

Starting point is 00:23:07 time. We don't. When we first come in, we do our intro. We are completely cold. We do an intro where we try to remember which we've done already. We try to remember what this episode was. I had no idea. Right. All right. We're in sickbay. The doctor is examining Torres. And I guess that fetus is already seven weeks old. But everything's, you know, everything's good. Paris is concerned. Why Is she faint? Doctor says, well, you know, cling on human metabolism. Sometimes they just, you know, they don't mesh. That's it. That's pretty much it. So the doctor keeps going through a briefing, Torres and Paris, about this upcoming pregnancy. I love the moment where the doctor where Bob says, well, you were planning to have a baby, right? And both of us look at each other. Yes, of course. Which meant, no, we weren't. Actually, Roxanne, because she did all her. her homework with all those extensive notes. Roxanne's performance was believable.

Starting point is 00:24:05 You know, she covered. She's like, oh, yeah, of course. Robby's, my performance was so obviously lying. Well, clearly in that scene, the only note you had on that paper was bagel, something like bagel. Yeah, get some bagels on the way home. That was my note to myself. Get bagels for family.

Starting point is 00:24:25 That's the only note you had. Yes. Yeah, good job, though, Roxanne in this scene. Great job. I love that in this whole episode, Roxanne, your work with Bob also was really, really good. I think the two did some great work. Do you have any memories of this episode with Bob? No, I do, Ashley, but I had forgotten that we made him the god, the godfather at the end. Yeah. Wow. That was huge. I went like, oh my God, that's like so cool. Very touching scene too. My goodness. Yeah, it was really great. We also talked about in this.

Starting point is 00:24:57 I didn't need to jump to the end there. No, no. That's all right. We jump all around. That's all right. And we're done. We're done with the recap. Thank you, Roxanne.

Starting point is 00:25:04 We love you. We missed a couple things. We did also talk in the scene about the doctor could tell us the sex of the baby at this point. One thing I noticed was Tom was like, yeah, yeah, let's tell us. He didn't ask. Belana doesn't want to know. No, she doesn't want to know. He doesn't want to know.

Starting point is 00:25:21 I can't imagine a husband just saying, yeah, tell us without going. Without consulting the wife. He didn't consult her at all. all that's dangerous territory i apologize that was very rude of me roxanne to yeah to without consulting you're in the moment and you kind of that i'd be i was like right there with you yeah but that was that was a that was a little moment i thought oh you can see the the the crack in this relationship forming already beginning yeah and why did i yell at you so much in this episode i felt like i will get there but it's like i justify it's to no i don't think it was the tone was right roby trust

Starting point is 00:25:57 me. I should have been. You're too critical. Let's keep moving. Okay. Okay. Back in the corridor, another walk and talk. Yeah. There's a lot of walk and talks with you, too. There are a lot of walk and talks. Oh, my gosh. It's unbelievable. Yeah. We're talking, uh, Paris wants to, to maybe go to the holodeck for some child rearing programs. He wants to replicate an antique crib. I had a line where I said, uh, you know, we can replicate. It's an antique crib. I thought it was an antique crib, like A-N-I, dad. That's what I That's what I wrote down to. I'm like, an anti-crib. Antib?

Starting point is 00:26:31 Because antique has a sound at the end and crib, and I just didn't, I didn't enunciate. Oh, you ran it right into it. You went anti-crib like that. It sounded like anti-crib. I can't believe you had the same thought.

Starting point is 00:26:46 I had to rewind it. I did. Yes. I don't know what an anti-crib is. It doesn't sound very parent-friendly. Yeah. Sounds like I don't want this kid. Anti-crib for an anti-crib.

Starting point is 00:26:56 for an anti-kid. Yes. Anyway. But you guys hug and you laugh at the end of this. There's so much hugging and love in this episode between you two, which was nice to see, too. Oh, yes. Smiles, hugs. I wrote that down, too.

Starting point is 00:27:09 Okay, so next we're in the mess hall. Tom walks into the mess hall. There's Nelix with everyone clapping. The word is out that they're having a baby. Tom's confused. Neelix says Echib has leaked the information. Yeah. And then Nelix grabs a dream.

Starting point is 00:27:26 to toast and it's like some blue liquid I was looking at the scene going what the heck were we drinking it was probably just water with like blue food coloring in it or something that's not paris delight it was not did you guys have a paris delight drink before no no I don't remember that was there a paris delight I thought there was no I don't think that was paris delight I also noticed in the scene everybody applauds like a big deal and then as nilix and I walk over no everyone turns their back to me like you're having this conversation and everybody turns away and goes back to whatever they're doing i mean it was just like hey great and then did you notice that so like everyone just ignores ignores tom after that they're like forget it i think people would

Starting point is 00:28:10 come up and like pat you on the back or there was no padding no it was like we did our obligatory applause and now we're back to our snacks snacks are important that's the message here snacks are important. Yes. Okay. Neelix does say that it's great news is learning that he's going to be the godfather because he has experience with Naomi and Tom says basically in the scene he says, yeah, there's nobody who's more qualified than you to be the godfather. So we're sort of setting up this expectation that Neelix is great with kids because of Naomi. He's going to be the godfather. But Tom, you forgot to consult your wife again on who to be godfather. Oh my God. Another faux pop.

Starting point is 00:28:56 Oh, so many bad husband choices here. How many lessons learned in this episode? There's a lot. For all of us. Yeah. Yes. We go to engineering next. There's Balana.

Starting point is 00:29:10 Chacote steps over to Blana. He asks about, have you checked for warp core radiation leaks today? And Belana's like, no, why? And Chacote says, because you have a certain glow about you. This is Star Trek. humor. Such a cheesy. So cheesy. Yeah, there's some pretty cheese, cheese bowl common. And then where does Janeway show up? She just just materializes. Does she go site to site transport? She just shows up. She's like, I just heard. Congratulations. She just pops around the corner.

Starting point is 00:29:40 Hello, here's my head. I just heard. Congratulations. It was fun. It's a little creepy. It was very creepy. She came from nowhere. It's like she came out of the bulkhead. She's like, hello, I just heard. So anyway, that's a good imitation. Thank you. It was a little creepy. I've missed your imitations. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Yeah, she hugs Bologna.

Starting point is 00:30:03 She heard Bala was dizzy. Wants to know if she's okay. Yeah. If she needs some time off, she should take it. And Bologna says, no, she wants everything just to stay as usual and keep working. She's fine. Yeah. One thing I will say, Roxanne, every time you and Robert Beltran have a scene, I always comment,

Starting point is 00:30:23 Chocote is really flirty with Bologna. And I felt it in this episode, too. I'm like, dude. No, dude. She's having a baby. She's married. Like, stop being all suave and hey, balana. Look, no, Chocote knew Bala before you even set eyes on her.

Starting point is 00:30:42 Of course. They were a really good friend. Like this. Yeah. Okay. It's a little flirty. Whatever, jealous boy. No, you're so jealous.

Starting point is 00:30:49 Oh, my God. She already kissed you in public in the corridor. But Beltran cannot help playing a scene with Roxanne without a little extra... You said it's flirty. I say it's friendship. I mean, there's no... Roxanne, tiebreaker. What do you think?

Starting point is 00:31:04 You think Cote is flirty with you? Well, it was a kind of flirtation that was part of the relationship since we knew each other for such a long period of time. Okay, okay. It's not out of the norm. Okay, that's all. Let's move on. In the corridor, Harry Kim is congratulating Tom Paris.

Starting point is 00:31:21 Yes, he is. I like that scene with you and I. It was funny. I thought it went well, it flowed. And then at the very end, I love how I go, time to let reality sink in before your life spends out of control. And I make this goofy-ass face. And I walk off camera.

Starting point is 00:31:35 I've never done that before. You left out something very important, Garrett. You make the goofy face you walk off, but you hit me on the chest, which is what I used to do to you in real life. That's why I made that goofy face. Because Robbie, Roxanne, Robbie used to, we would be standing by craft service. and I wouldn't say anything. Robbie would walk up to me

Starting point is 00:31:54 and smack me really hard on the chest, knock me back like a big brother would do. Hey, buddy, and it would hurt. I would like, ow! And so I got to get him back in the scene and that's why I made that funny face. I went, it's the first thing I noticed at the end of the scene.

Starting point is 00:32:09 I'm like, oh my God, he stole my bit. My bit from real life. In real life, I put it on camera, yes. That's what I did to get you back. Okay. Nice scene. That's my favorite. scene of all. Okay. Now we're in the

Starting point is 00:32:23 Jeffrey's tube. Yeah, at first I was like, where is this? I couldn't figure out where Tuvok was working on some panel. But then I realized it's that. That's what that that little room off engineering. Oh. It's like that little

Starting point is 00:32:38 said, oh. Remember that little closet? No, but it's so funny because just just the other day somebody made a joke when I was like on a different set and they went this must be like a Jeffrey's tube, and I went, God, what is that again? I was like, you know, I was like, I was just trying to go.

Starting point is 00:32:55 It's that claustrophobic little corridor. Oh, I know, which makes sense now. But it's like I'm going, God, what was that again? It's something I could remember. Roxanne, when you see that person that said that, when you see them next, just go and then walk away. And I'll get it. Just yeah, delayed reaction, laughter. Okay.

Starting point is 00:33:13 Here we go. Anyway, Tuvok's working. Tom walks in. Basically, it's a scene about Tom needs some advice. And he asks. And the only father he knows, which is Tuvok. Yes. I love that he didn't know.

Starting point is 00:33:25 I love that he didn't, hadn't heard yet. I know. Yes. That was brilliant. The person you go to for advice. It doesn't know what are you talking about? Tom talks about this is a big responsibility. Feels like he's ready for it.

Starting point is 00:33:37 And it's funny. I felt like I was kind of talking to myself. Like Tuvok's just standing there. And Tom's like, that's a big responsibility. I mean, I feel pretty ready for it. And it was a fun little, it was a fun thing. You're talking to the Vulcan. It's like talking to the Vulcan.

Starting point is 00:33:49 It's like talking to. to a, you know, a two by four. It's the same thing. I liked his wisdom. The writing is great here, perfect for the character when Tuvok says, offspring can be disturbingly illogical, yet profoundly fulfilling. You should anticipate a paradox. That is great writing. I thought that was brilliant. Yeah. Because I feel that way in real life about my children. They are completely illogical sometimes. they're incredibly fulfilling and they're always a paradox paradox there you go good job james con at the end of the scene tom basically tells tuvok i think i'm going to be volunteering to work with you on a regular basis so i thought that was sweet because

Starting point is 00:34:33 tom and tuvac as characters didn't have a ton of crossover and so to feel like tom is is you know warming up to tuvac in a good way i like the scene okay then we go to what i guess is Tom and Bologna's quarters. In this episode, I was like, yeah. Yeah, we go into this room. He's lighting candles for a romantic dinner. Have you shown, have we seen Tom and Bologna's joint quarters yet until this episode? This is the very first time.

Starting point is 00:35:04 Wow. This is the first time? Yep. We had seen you and your quarters. We had seen Tom and his quarters for sure. But not together. This is the first time we see after they're married. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:15 This is the first time in the series that we see there. We got an upgrade, Roxanne. Yeah, you got a bigger room. It looks nice in there. Yeah, our old set was when they would convert that room over by Sick Bay. They'd flip it to Harry's quarters or whoever. But this room is the one that's over by the mess hall side where the captain's quarters are. Two box quarters, Chocotay, so you guys got a bigger room.

Starting point is 00:35:40 We got an upgrade to the suite. Yeah. And then I just kick you out. Yes. Yes. As Torres does. That is, yeah, Torres will do what Torres will do. Continue. What's happening in the quarters? You guys are having a romantic dinner. We're trying to have a romantic dinner. Tom talks about Nelix has offered to babysit. Talks about him being godfather. Balana says Chocote should be the godfather.

Starting point is 00:36:08 Well, she says he wants to be. She didn't say he should. Wants to be, yeah. We do learn in this scene that, according to Chell, Bolians believe that if you give birth near a warp core, it will improve the baby's disposition. So I love this kind of wives tales about sci-fi. Non-scientific advice that he gave you. Yes. You start to see some annoyances. Pickering, yes, happening.

Starting point is 00:36:33 The beginnings of something is happening here, yes. I did not like when Tom says to Bolana, hey, take it easy. Advice to everyone here listening. Don't tell your partner when they start getting passionate to say, hey, take it easy. Take it easy. Or, hey, chill out. These are words you should never say to your spouse when they're in states of anxiety because you are going down the wrong path right there.

Starting point is 00:37:02 I did like the blocking in this scene. There was some movement to it. I know, you know, and Tom comes around kind of giving Bala a shoulder massage and camera pushing in a nice two shot. Yeah, it was well, well directed and staged. You know, sometimes I've said to directors, Roxanne, like, first do no harm is one of my goals as a director. Like, first, do no harm. Don't get in the way of the story. Then if you can add value with the staging or shots or special, you know, special things, sometimes directors can get in the way of the story. And I feel like Peter stayed out of the way. Let us act it. His shots were.

Starting point is 00:37:42 simple but effective I thought it was that was one scene where I was like oh that was I don't remember specifically but I feel like he let us do our thing and then kind of work that into you know a way to block it but he listened to us you know I think he worked well together and I think that he was responding to that so I think that's good yeah yeah this was one of those scenes where I was like oh we're I feel like yeah I feel like we must have felt some instincts to move around and he was able to work that into his plan in a great way so yeah yeah this scene is ended with a hail from the doctor so the doctor hails both lieutenants tourists in paris to report to sick bay which then brings us over to sick bay and we basically see a holographic extrapolation of

Starting point is 00:38:32 the child's spine and this is 10 months after birth and it is completely curved right there so Torres mentions that she also had surgery for curvature of spine when she was younger and Paris doesn't know that. So now we have information that Paris has no idea about. So we see some curiosity from Paris, how he doesn't know things like this. But clearly this is a past that Torres is very, you know,

Starting point is 00:39:00 it's very tender for her. It's a traumatic time for her. Well, she says I had, she doesn't say it. Yeah, she says I had this surgery. And Tom goes, oh, I didn't know. know that. She'd never shared it. And then the doctor says, yes, it's very common in Klingon families, especially in females. Uh-oh, he almost gives away the sex of the baby. Right. I was like, what, is it a girl? Right. And I thought Bob's performance, no, I didn't say that.

Starting point is 00:39:25 It was great. He was great. Yeah, seeing the doctor sort of busted in this slip. Yeah, very funny exchange. He says something like, well, you can un-infer that. I didn't. Bumbling. It was great. Balana does ultimately say, no, it's okay. You can tell us. The doctor does confirm it is a girl. We have Bala and Tom have their happy hugs. Paris also asks for a projected image of the actual face, of the actual, you know, with not just the spine.

Starting point is 00:39:57 He wants to see what the baby, the whole baby looks like. And of course, Torres is taken back by the ridges that are there, not happy about that. But what did you guys think of that visual effect right there? That to me looked like a renaissance painting of like some cherub or some type of angelic little feet, you know, pudgy angel or something. We talked to someone recently who said this was around, season six was around the time when CG was becoming affordable enough

Starting point is 00:40:24 that we could use computer generated images rather than 2D images. I guess my point is this was not a CG image. This was a 2D. Like a matte painting? Painting of a baby that I think. It was not great. Let's be honest. It was not. It wasn't. It looked very high tech. That's because Peter was busy directing. Directing.

Starting point is 00:40:50 You put no time into post any visual effect. Peter was like, whatever. Well, you think about back, though, to like when I had my kids was just like a rat right around this time. That's right. We saw Emma. It was this black and white, barely. You could barely see the baby in there. Now people are coming out with these color photos that are. almost got a camera down there, you know? It's so bizarre. And so I don't know where we should have been in the world of Star Trek at that point in time.

Starting point is 00:41:19 But it told the story, I guess. It told the story, but it was definitely in the early days of computer-generated 3D imagery. It wasn't quite photorealistic with a baby. It told the story. And Balana is quite upset you can tell about the ridges And she says something I think about, well, it's only, the baby's only one quarter Clingon. How come the ridges are so prominent?

Starting point is 00:41:46 And the doctor says, well, the Clingon traits remain dominant for several generations. I started thinking, oh, this is going to be a story about there's going to be some kind of racial component to, you know, what Bologna's decisions are. But this story, to me, was much more than that. It was about childhood trauma about abandonment. Yeah, it was about abandonment. It was about science and what's, you know, what is ethically, you know, appropriate for science to do. So it was really a, this was a really powerful story, just, in my opinion, on so many levels. It's not as simple as maybe, it might look at first.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Yeah. Anyway, we go into a flashback. We see Bologna's father for the first time. We've never seen a flashback with Belaana's father. No. No, no, we have. Really? We have not? No, I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:42:41 Okay, all right. But I love how his line is, Belon's father says, you are so much like your mother. And right before this scene, you hear Paris saying, oh, she looks just like her mother looking at that little visual effect of your future baby. So it just transitioned very well, I felt. Yes.

Starting point is 00:43:01 I will say, I felt like in these flashbacks in this episode, it needed a stronger visual cue. I felt like a simple, I don't know, from a directorial critique, I guess I would say. It's like it needed something. It needed, even if it was just editorial, that there was a flash or something visual because it felt like it just...

Starting point is 00:43:22 To cue you into the fact that it's a flashback, you're saying there should be something a little bit more definitive? In my opinion. It could have. It could have been lived a little bit. It felt like they were using a certain filter on it, you know? Yeah, I thought there was a filter on it, right?

Starting point is 00:43:35 A whole bunch. I mean, just in terms of, there were a couple of transitions in there. I think that were appropriate and stuff. But there was license to, like, do a little bit more. I mean, normally I would say that, but, you know, it's too much. But I think there was license to take this one step further, I think.

Starting point is 00:43:54 One step further, just to sharpen this, the idea that we were going into her flashback. So the filter was not enough for you then, Robbie. Like, the filter was sort of a dream. state filter as best as they could have used, right? The filter gave it a veneer of we're not in the same time. Right. But I guess for me, what I mean is like, whose point of view are we in?

Starting point is 00:44:18 If we're going into Bala's mind, then are we going into her point of view or something that felt a little more, a stronger visual cue? Yeah, it felt very, it's interesting. That's a really good point because it felt very objective when in a way it's, It should have, it's subjective. It's completely from her point of view. Yeah, it's totally subjective. But it was really treated like it was sort of an omniscient objective.

Starting point is 00:44:44 A God vision. Yeah, like, yes. And specifically, there's a later flashback where we go in. And the scene starts with the two fathers sitting there talking outside at the campfire. And I was like, wait, whose memory are we yet? Like, where's Belaw? And then eventually Belon is in the tent and you see that she's eavesdropping. Right.

Starting point is 00:45:05 But I would have started from that point of view, personally. I would have started from young Bologna, right? Inside the tent. Inside the tent peeking out at, yeah. That was the part of the flashbacks I felt were, yes, objective and subjective are perfectly, but it should have been a stronger point of view in my... It should have been subjective is what we're saying. We come out of the flashback.

Starting point is 00:45:28 Yeah, and in Paris says, she's perfect, isn't she in Sing Bay, right? And now we jump to Torres and Paris's quarters. yes and you guys are kind of just recapping the day yes tom says six years in the delta quadrant nothing has scared me as much as hearing our baby had a problem which i i just noted in this scene like tom's evolution as a character i really love that he was able to change so much and hearing that kind of vulnerability out of him as a character he was not a vulnerable and open person when he came on the ship so i just noted that in this scene He was more like Chacotet.

Starting point is 00:46:06 Yes, exactly. Flirty in every scene. Flirt with anybody. Chacotee flirted with Tom. I mean, yeah. Chacote flirted with everything, including inanimate objects. Okay. All right, continue.

Starting point is 00:46:26 I did notice in this scene when I was, Tom was in bed and kind of turned to Boulana, I didn't have real sideburns. on the show. They would put the glue down and lay in the sideburns. And as I turned, the way the light hit the side of my face. Did you see the glue? So much reflection of the glue. Oh, man. It was so much glue reflection in that triangle shape. I was just like, oh, why didn't they put some powders? Who's supposed to catch that? Makeup is supposed to catch that, right? I guess so. My hair was a wig. I don't know if you knew that. Yeah. We know. I saw your wig every morning. when I came to the makeup trail, I'd just be staring at your damn wig.

Starting point is 00:47:07 I'd be like, there's her. Glue, glue, glue. So I'm very aware of that. You had a lot of glue. Oh, I had a lot of glue. But they would hide like that your wig had lace. Your wig had a little bit of lace around the edge. But they were really good at hiding that.

Starting point is 00:47:22 This is what I don't get, Roxanne. You already have good hair. Why did they give you a wig to begin with? Why did you need the wig? We had ridges. And how do you blend in the ridges into the hair? Oh. Okay, so you need to put some lace.

Starting point is 00:47:35 They have to go over that. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. Pretend I never asked that. Okay, let's go. That's why I cut my hair off because I had really short hair during that because I was so fired of pin curling my hair up into the wig. So when you booked the roll, was your hair long when you booked Torres?

Starting point is 00:47:50 It was longer. Yeah, it was like shoulder length. Okay. Did you wear a lot of wigs in your career generally or was this like this was the biggest? I've worn a couple of wigs on stage, you know? Or chorus line you wore a wig? wig? No. That was, yeah. That was your regular hair. Other stuff. Yeah, other stuff. I did the Into the Woods for a year on the on the road. Yeah. And I had to wear this like page boy red wig as

Starting point is 00:48:20 Jack and the Beanstalk. So yeah, I would have to. Page boy. It was so funny. And I would have to prep my hair. You prepped it. No one else. Correct. You did it. The way that it worked for me, eight shows a week was I would. put the bobby pins and prep it and put the wig cap on and then i would go we would all go into the wig room to get applied they would fit the wig on me there but i had to put on the wig cap and stuff in the theater you do your own makeup if if there's a wig involved you do the prep work for that and then they they put the wig on damn and they also wire the they put the microphones when you're on stage they put the wire up your back and so the microphone comes in through the i never had microphones

Starting point is 00:49:02 We only had, I only had ambient ones. I've never worked with that. Wow. I was in the, I was doing it in the transition, yeah, because I had only done, yeah, the ones that are, I guess. And then from my check to come in when we went to different places. You have to be, you know, making sure if it was being picked up and, you know, the sound of people back there going like, oh, crazy.

Starting point is 00:49:26 Yeah, yeah. So, Roxanne, you saying that you never wore one of those microphones, is this your sort of story? of saying that you walk seven miles through the snow to get to school and that you didn't deal with the new technology of that. In the old day. I had to progress on my own.

Starting point is 00:49:41 You had to use your own natural microphone. Your voice is what you had to use. That is a loss in my opinion in the theater is that now, because of the technology has gotten so good. Yeah. That actors are able to be on stage and sort of whisper and it's just amplified.

Starting point is 00:49:59 Yeah, they can hear it in the back of the house. It's a shame because there's something. something about that projection that brings out a theater experience to me. And remember a stage whisper? Yes. To whisper on stage, you can hear you in the back row. You project the whisper to the back of the house. Nobody else has to know.

Starting point is 00:50:19 Nobody has to know how to do that anymore as an actor. No. I've used that phrase as a director with younger actor. They'll be like, do it more like a stage whisper. And they're like, what? What does that mean? What's a stage whisper? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:32 I don't know what you're mean. Explain that. Oh, God. That's so funny. All right. Back to the script. Yes. So they're in bed.

Starting point is 00:50:43 My sideburn glue is shining all over the place. I was blinding Boulana with my sideburn glue. Right. Bala seems very conflicted here. So they start to go to bed. We have another flashback. The kids and the dads are on a camping trip and the kids are going to go on a hike. Alana doesn't want to go.

Starting point is 00:51:02 She doesn't want to go. She wants to just go fishing with Uncle Carl and Dad. She brings a poll up. She says, Dad, I increase the field strength of the targeting lure. That's like, nerd alert. Yeah. She's nerd alert. She's engineering the fishing poles to try to impress dad.

Starting point is 00:51:21 But that's so Balana though. It's so Balana. But she doesn't want to go with the other cousins because they are really mean to her. She just wants to hang out with pops and uncles. Isn't enough. don't you i agree one thousand percent hang out with the adults who are not going to be mean to you right so there's a little moment here where balana says dad and he goes yeah and she goes never mind and she goes on the hike anyway and that was a heartbreaking little such a little moment but to me

Starting point is 00:51:49 that moment is like gave you the feelings as a kid that they don't say that they stuff inside you know she's stuffing this her feelings there and i don't know that little moment was powerful he did well with that she did really well i thought yeah yeah all around i thought she did a great job and we come out of that flashback seeing balana still deep and thought not asleep yet so clearly not a great memory now we have a ship flying by the ship is shipping itself through space and uh back in the morning tom belong are up and i went i wrote down a toaster tom's got a toaster I know. Just a toaster, though.

Starting point is 00:52:30 Like, why didn't Tom set up a little mini kitchen, like 50th style? I don't know. I think that toaster was a gift from Boulana because she knows you love. It was a wedding gift. It was a wedding gift. But you could replicate toast. The fact that you were doing it the old-fashioned way is very Tom. I know, very Tom.

Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah. It was cute. Cute little detail. And it seems like you only know how to make one thing for breakfast. Peanut butter. butter toast that's it peanut butter toast yeah i also notice that tom is not concerned about being late he's like it'll be fine he's you know whereas balana doesn't they're heading to an appointment and balana doesn't want to be late but tom's like yeah it's no big deal i related to

Starting point is 00:53:14 that very much like me in real life a little bit like well if i'm kind of close to the time it'll be fine good enough yes very much like me and then balana says it's okay you don't need to come with me it's a minor procedure and tom seems to be fine with that he's well then you're on your own and he eats his toast and she heads off to sickbay any comments on that last thing for you no because i mean i obviously don't want him to come with me correct you're doing you're going to be dastardly no no no stay where you are it's all fine let me just and i've got to get around you know and so it's i'm manipulating is what yes most definitely we go to sick bay next uh Doctor says he's expanded his database to in obstetrics and pediatrics.

Starting point is 00:54:00 He's added some programs. He wants to start with a transabdominal vocalization, he says. Palana's like, wait, you mean sing to my baby? It's like, yes, it'll help the mathematical abilities. And she's like, yeah, we'll talk about that later. And I love the shot where he kind of leans down with a pad. He says, sure, we can talk about it at our first parenting class. And the pad sort of appears in the foreground.

Starting point is 00:54:30 It was a very funny, dark comedic moment that I thought was well done. But Peter Lortzen kept that focus on Roxanne the entire time, which is great. The lights ultimately dimmed down and the doctor starts this procedure to fix the spine. That's all we think we're doing right now. Yes. We're going to fix the spine thing. And we go into another flashback. This is where Boulana is invited to come have lunch.

Starting point is 00:54:55 she's off by herself working on a on a path yeah this is when she goes off with the cousins remember she doesn't want to be with the cousins right so doesn't want to be there lunchtime yeah uh one of the boys is it drew is that his name no it's dean dean dean because he's mean remember that dean is mean dean yeah mean dean sees a worm i did all earthworms don't really hang out on top of they're inside the dirt so he should have found the worm come sticking out of the dirt. Can I just say one thing? Those kids probably have kids now.

Starting point is 00:55:30 Oh, yeah. Yes, you're right. Those kids probably have kids now. It's like really weird to like think of them as like kind of just caught and stuck in time when in actuality, if they're all existing on this earth. Yeah. It's like it's a whole other thing. We keep forgetting how long ago this was. Oh, definitely.

Starting point is 00:55:48 Yeah. Those actors are paying taxes right now as we speak. they put the worm on the sandwich which is horrible little balana does a really good job reacting to it i thought it was really good yeah especially for it has novice of an actor that the actress that played young balana is wonderful job yeah great job great job uh we come out of that flashback back to sick bay the doctor's finished spine is perfectly aligned now and the doctor does say her spine is better than all right if her parents are any any indication that was a really nice comment from the doctor definitely seems like he's always sort of trashing tom paris but in this scene he's very nice yeah he's often

Starting point is 00:56:33 the doctor can be very sarcastic or you know sharp and he was very warm and yeah it was nice to see yeah then we go into the holodeck where balana sneaks in pulls up some computer files ask the computer to look at the baby again that cg baby or whatever it was Scary baby. Scary baby. The hollow image comes up. Then she says, what will the baby look like at 12 years old? But I love the way you played that, Roxanne,

Starting point is 00:57:02 because you don't really have any lines, but in that part, when you see the 12-year-old extrapolation of your child, but you can tell that you are affected by the past. You play that very well. So you brought that baggage in in that scene. So kudos to you. Yeah. Especially when you're looking at,

Starting point is 00:57:22 nothing like there was no yeah we film these scenes that we have to imagine these visual effects so we're looking at absolutely nada at this time very well done she says a computer delete the following gene sequences punches in some genes she wants deleted extrapolate what the child would look like now the image changes to a blonde first a blonder version yes of i guess you know instead of the dark hair, it's now blonde, but it's still the ridges are there, so she deletes some more sequences. Yeah. It says extrapolate that. Now the ridges are gone.

Starting point is 00:57:58 Completely. And looks like she found what she's looking for. She says save changes and restrict access to Balana only. And I wrote, whoa, I feel uncomfortable. Yeah, this isn't this is a tricky medical

Starting point is 00:58:15 area, ethically we're going into is literally changing the racial makeup of of a child, a bias of one being more desirable than another. It was becoming possible then. It's completely possible now. And there are definitely some ethical questions to be asked just because you can't do something. Is it right to do it?

Starting point is 00:58:37 Yeah. That's really interesting. Very, very interesting question. Yeah. We go back to Sick Bay and the doctor's walking. Now Boulana's chasing him with a pad in her hand. come around the corner. He's wound up about this. He says, there's no medical reason for this. And she's saying, no, there is a medical reason. These genes create redundant organs, for example.

Starting point is 00:59:02 She says, these are superfluous. And the doctor says, no, they're there for a reason. This third lung, this extra lung gives Klingons more stamina on the battlefield. She says, well, my daughter's not going to be a Klingon warrior. I love his response. He says, with all due respect, you have no idea what your daughter's going to be. Yeah. Yeah. What if she develops an interest in athletics? Great a lung capacity would be an advantage. So very wise for the doctor to say. Yeah. A great debate here, very heated. She argues, well, this could be preventative care because the extra lung might become diseased. And she says this is like just removing an appendix before it gets inflamed. I mean, her whole mission is she's trying to convince the doctor that

Starting point is 00:59:46 this is health concerns. That's it. Has nothing to do with the fact that she's going to look cling on. I call BS. It's not about health concerns. And then the doctor says, does Tom know nothing? Have you talked with, you know, your husband about this? And she says, no, he doesn't know about it yet. He says, well, I will look at what you're proposing, but you need to talk together about this.

Starting point is 01:00:09 And we jump into the Delta Flyer next with the scene with Tom and Bolana. This is where I felt like I was yelling too much. Just it was, I didn't like my performance. Really? you mean right off the bat yeah i felt it i felt it was i felt the tone was right because this is something that you're completely against so you couldn't have just been like absolutely not you know you couldn't have been that lack of days ago hey i'm tom paris hi yes ma'am i couldn't have been the chocote chicote would have flirted his way through the scene but no tom paris needs to be yellie in this

Starting point is 01:00:45 one so i thought you were right you're too critical dude do you agree roxan i think i think i think the tone was right yeah because yeah if you think about it's like your your wife is going off the deep end like what is she i mean i think it's like what are you doing it's it's so insane i mean that's yeah that was huge i think you expressed really well most i think the conflict was justified absolutely i just feel like it was uh more about levels for me i think they okay i think i could have found some other levels in some more nuance is what you're saying right yeah maybe that's what i'm I was missing is a little more nuanced. Okay.

Starting point is 01:01:21 But anyway, they argue. Bilan is still talking about the child's health. And he calls her out on it. He says, you don't want her to be Klingon. That's what this is all about. Torres brings out that line. I was treated like a monster, which is, you know, it's heartbreaking to hear. Torres have to admit that.

Starting point is 01:01:38 But that's how she felt most definitely. And Tom says, you know, she won't be treated like a monster. Everyone on this ship is going to accept her just how she is. Yeah. Can I ask you, Roxanne, because like for me, a lot of this episode resonated because being Asian in America and being looked at as an outsider, did you also, when you were working on this, acting in this, did you draw upon any of anything's racial, anything racial from your past being Puerto Rican? Did you have any, you know, issues with that?

Starting point is 01:02:10 I did only because I was in a profession that didn't really have very many Latin people in it as role models, you know, at the time. You know, and that was very discouraging. I didn't really have any role models that look like me, even though I wasn't at the time looking for role models that look like me. I was just kind of always amazed when people would say, yeah, you can't do this because you don't look like everybody else. And it was like that was.

Starting point is 01:02:33 And upsetting. There were definitely things I was personally pulling from as being kind of caught in two worlds, you know, as being an actor. Like, I just wasn't really good at a sick accent and playing a drug dealer or a maid. You know what I mean? They weren't hiring Latin doctors yet. Like this was,

Starting point is 01:02:55 that's why Torres was such an interesting character because they really weren't doing that. At all, definitely. I know. That's the most advanced degree character for Latina. It was Torres at the time. Am I right? I mean, you weren't cleaning somebody's house.

Starting point is 01:03:11 You weren't, you know, you weren't doing all the stereotypical roles. It was an amazing role. Wasn't a gang. I was. Yeah. I guess I guess I would. like to just dig a little bit deeper. Like when you were a kid growing up at grade school,

Starting point is 01:03:22 did you get picked on for being not Caucasian? That's my question. I didn't, but it could be, I just wasn't aware of it. I grew up in Los Angeles. And it was before there was an influx of a Mexican population there. And I think nobody had their past. There were a lot of Jewish people that went to my school. There were, you know, Italians. Where did you go to school? Where did you go to school? Beverly Hills High School. Oh, you went to Beverly. Oh, okay. And at the time, I just thought I come from my background as this exotic island, you know, called Puerto I was, it just never, never, I don't know, I just, I just didn't cross my mind. Wow. It just kind of like, I don't know, everybody was different. Maybe I just wasn't sensitive to it,

Starting point is 01:04:05 or I don't know. Yeah. Well, good for you. I mean, that means you, you were, you felt adjusted that you were part of the, part of the group then. You didn't feel like an outsider, really. I only began to like an outsider later on when I got into my career. When you got into your career. Wait, wait, how do you look different. Right, right. But Beverly had so many different races already going to Beverly Hills High, right? So it wasn't a big deal.

Starting point is 01:04:31 That's exotic. From that island that I've never been to. You know, it's like pretty cool. You know, I'm Puerto Rican. Isn't that like cool? Like from West Side Story, isn't that cool? Do you guys? You guys never flew back to Puerto Rico when you were a kid to visit

Starting point is 01:04:45 relatives and any of that stuff? Oh, my great-grandparents had come over and became Neorecans, you know, and then they had my grandparents and my parents. And then I was born in L.A. And actually, I did go back there once when I was too little to remember. The first time I went back there was when I was doing a course line on the road. And we performed in Puerto Rico. Oh, wow. And I had coming out of the woodwork that were all claiming to like know me. And they all showed up to the cedar, you know. So the caballero clan. was coming in full. Is that what was happening?

Starting point is 01:05:18 I was in the Florida. And the Florida side of the family, actually there were there were there were the ones that were really there. But just really side note, it's so funny because in one of the songs I sing in the chorus line called Nothing, there's one where she goes, there are no bobsleds in San Juan,

Starting point is 01:05:31 where she's, you know, being asked to act like she goes in and on the day doing the sound check, I'm out there and I'm running through it. And I go, there are no bobs. And all of a sudden they lower this bobslet over my head. And everybody starts stuffing. And I'm looking, I don't even know what it is. And it says,

Starting point is 01:05:45 They put the bobs with me, and San Juan. It was like, they lowered it over your head. That is so funny. Oh, my God. I love that. Oh, my God. Really funny. Okay.

Starting point is 01:05:56 Well, thank you for going down the rabbit hole. That's something I've always wanted to ask you. Okay. Where are we, Robbie? They have a fight. Obviously, Tom and Boulon are having bumpy conflict here. They go to the captain's ready room. Janeway's like, I'm not sure what exactly what you want me to do here is, is,

Starting point is 01:06:14 Is she the couples therapist now? Clearly, Tom and Balana needs some couples therapy. Yeah, Balana's saying she wants the captain to order the doctor to genetically alter this baby. And Tom says, no, he disagrees. Janeway says this is ethically questionable. Torres's argument is that you did this for seven of nine. You removed all of her implants. And then that's when, you know, the reverse argument is, well, no, we just made her.

Starting point is 01:06:44 looked like she did before originally, which is human. So that was the argument. But Torres doesn't see it that way. That's like, no, you change seven. Really valid discussions. I just thought they weren't afraid of really going down every avenue here, which was No. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:59 Agreed. Yeah. Tom brings up mood swings, which again, listeners, I would recommend do not blame your partner's mood swings on anything. We're in the quarter next. Boulana is walking ahead, walking away from Tom, Tom runs up. I love how in the beginning you guys are together. And then as arguments come, Tories is further ahead and further ahead in the corridor.

Starting point is 01:07:25 Tom does suggest, again, I wish I wasn't yelling. I was yelling at you in this. I don't know why. In the corridor? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, okay. He's like, he wants to have a civilized discussion, but he's yelling.

Starting point is 01:07:37 So it makes no sense. Yeah. But anyway, Tom suggests, let's go to the holodeck, maybe a change of scenery. she's like the holodeck is your solution for everything you know which i thought was a great comment on their characters let's see balana says yeah she says i'm just tired of talking about this she walks off we go to harry's quarters and the sweet sweet sounds oh my gosh i get to i did not remember i thought i only played the clarinet i know that i asked them to give me a saxophone because at the time president clinton was playing a saxophone and that was much cooler than a clarinet yeah and and here we

Starting point is 01:08:12 have Kim playing the saxophone, which I loved. Thank you. It looked good, didn't it? And the way, and the way that the shot, the formation of that shot, when you look at what Peter Lorson did, it worked well. I was very happy. It was really well. I believe that you were playing.

Starting point is 01:08:29 It was really good. Thank you. Thank you. But Tom is there because evidently he not only did he not get the couch. He had to leave quarters entirely. with he's he was uh he's gonna sleep at harry's uh ask if he needs a reservation to sleep over harry lets him in my couch is your couch and they start putting sheets on the couch yeah and i was like in the future do we have to fold the sheets the same like it's a doing making a bad

Starting point is 01:09:03 doing the sheets is a lot of work haven't we figured out an easier way in the future there has to be advanced you know technologically advanced sheets where you don't have to fold them and you don't have to do tuck them in and I don't know I just it's a sidebar but I was like it was very retro wasn't it yeah yeah it was retro for sure but again I like the dialogue in here I like I did you guys relationship there's yeah it was very nice I throw the pillow at you like I said my couch is your couch it ends on that line which is very good all right back to the flashback right we have another flashback back

Starting point is 01:09:39 at the campsite young balana has run away they can't find her this is what yes they're worried that she's not back she shows up says they got separated her cousin her female cousin does feel bad she's trying to own up to the fact that this is pretty much their fault right the cousin's fault we're losing their cousin and we find balana by herself her dad comes up to talk i love the business she had a leaf in her hand or something oh it was pulling this leaf and you know how nice you know We've all done that probably, like just torn up a leaf. It was a subtle little piece of business, but I thought it was great to show the anxiety that she was feeling.

Starting point is 01:10:20 It was a good bit of business that I liked a lot for this little girl. Again, this whole scene really, really resonated with me because when Bologna says, I wish I weren't Klingon, this is an exact conversation I have with my mother when I came home from school after being bullied. I said, I wish I wasn't Chinese. I said not to my mom. I said, I wish I was never born to you. And that was, you know, now I get choked up that I would ever say something so horrible to my mother.

Starting point is 01:10:46 But that's how bad the bullying was. So I was basically Blana Torres, young Bilanna Torres, in real life because that was. Yeah, you had a lot of bullying in Memphis. Oh, my gosh. But to tell my parents, like, I wish I was, I wish I wasn't Chinese is, that's hardcore. That's exactly what Bala's dealing with here. She wishes she wasn't who she is. her chemical, her racial makeup. She can't stand it because of all the hardship she went through.

Starting point is 01:11:14 And it's interesting, Roxanne, that living in Los Angeles that you didn't really have a lot of that stuff, people making fun of you being Latina or anything like that. I said, I didn't have the bullying, but the feeling that I was to different worlds and that perhaps the profession that I'd chosen, the thing that I wanted to do wouldn't be available to me because of that. Right. That's in my early 20s. That's what I went through. Yeah, you went through it as a career. Yeah. I did. Yeah. And just kind of, you know, wishing I could be blonde and blue eye. And I feel like I could just, I can do that job if you would, you know, change the book.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Yeah, back then in your early 20s, you know you had talent. You know that you had prepared. And we, God knows, we know, you know how to prepare. We know that. Okay. So then you learn all out of the blue that casting or producers are like, no, no, no, you can't play that role. You don't look the right way.

Starting point is 01:12:00 And now you're like, what? I've never heard of this before at Beverly. So it must have been a shock to the system for you to hear that. It was also very naive, I think, on my part. For some reason, I think I was just either sheltered or blind. I think I've always been a bit blind as to a lot of, I don't know, just in the, and that's helped me sometimes, but not all the time. Right.

Starting point is 01:12:23 But what I also didn't realize, you're like fifth generation or something. You said your great, great, is that right? Yeah, my great grandparents came over. Your great grandparents, yeah. So by that time, did your parents even speak Spanish at that point then? Yeah, they spoke Spanish. they didn't speak it around me though because they didn't want me to be by that right okay many of my dad would pass sometimes as Italian in his profession as a criminal defense attorney and people would

Starting point is 01:12:48 assume he was Italian and he wouldn't correct them wow I a lot and I you know and I started to realize this and especially as the ethnic makeup changed in Los Angeles and then people thinking that I was Mexican I was going no I'm not that there's anything wrong with that but that's not what I am And because you're Latina doesn't mean that you're the same, that everybody's the same. You know, it's like when you just go, wow, it's a lot of wanting to put you in boxes, you know? It's a fascinating thing. I think a lot of people connected with Alana in this episode because of exactly what you're talking about here. I was going to say in this scene, I identified in a way with the father when he comes over to talk to her.

Starting point is 01:13:31 She's pulling that leaf apart. And he shares a story. He says, oh, well, he tries to relate to his dog. He says, when I was a kid, I used to fall asleep in class, and they called me John Snores instead of John Torres. Right. And she goes, it's not the same thing. And he goes, oh, yeah, kids just tease each other. That's normal.

Starting point is 01:13:52 He says, you just try to be less sensitive. And I guess what I'm saying is, as your father, the white guy here, the human, he was trying to say, oh, I get it. And I don't think he does get it. I was I was like how could you say that just be less sensitive yeah you know why why wouldn't you say be proud of you who you are I thought that was bad fathering it was very insensitive to her experience because he was trying to say oh it's you know I was teased too so don't worry about it no you weren't he wasn't teased for being racially different or you know species different she was being teased she she was having experience of being teased as a cling on and for him to say oh i get how you feel is very presumptuous and i feel that in life sometimes like i can't tell a woman oh i get how you feel as a woman your experience in the world i can't presume that i know that that's your experience like you tell me what you've experienced i shouldn't be correcting you or diminishing you so this was a moment i related to the father in a way

Starting point is 01:14:59 being in that position of like in my life i have tried to say oh i experienced what you experienced what you experience, but I'm learning in life now. I don't, I haven't experienced, Garrett, what you've experienced. Correct. Great. One thing before me, just to remember that I also have a Chinese daughter. And so, yes. And that whole experience, which would be a whole other podcast, I think, but just with me being Puerto, I'm a husband, you know, German, Irish, my daughter being a mix there and my other daughter being Chinese. Chinese, yeah. Very interesting going through life and trying to understand how she feels because people always give that second look when she comes up to me like that your mother is you know it's like how does that work it's part of the whole thing

Starting point is 01:15:40 you know sure sure okay thank you for bringing that up though yeah all right so uh we end that scene with dad talking to young balana but she doesn't want to join everybody for dinner she wants to go off and read so right but there is a time jump right because it's the same scene where yeah the father and the uncle are having this private conversation and and little balana is listening in. Yeah. That's the end of the scene. We go back to Tom and Bala's

Starting point is 01:16:08 quarters, Bala's sitting up in bed. This is where I felt like we should have had the point of view from Bala because we go back into a flashback and we're with the dads and then Bala overhears them talking about her mother's intensity, talking

Starting point is 01:16:24 about how his parents were right. Maybe he shouldn't have married Bola's mother. Yeah, and that final line from Bala's father in that scene when he says, but she never thought I had the Constitution to live with a Klingon talking about their own mother, like John, so Bologna's grandmother. And now I'm living with two of them. Just that, you could just, you know that that was such a biting comment for young Bala to hear. And like, it's sort of like, it's almost like her father was saying,

Starting point is 01:16:55 I'm living with the two monsters. And I think that's what the young Bologna heard now. We also hear Balana's mother's name, Merle, and yeah. So this is landing on her, this sort of her father's, her parents' marriage and what's going on there. Was Barge of the Dead after this? It was before this. Well, then we didn't meet Maraul because. Did we hear her name? Did we?

Starting point is 01:17:20 Yes, we heard her name already there. Okay, so we heard. And then, whoever I forget the actress was who played my mom, but that was. Yeah, but we didn't meet her at that point. Yes, Barge of the Dead, you had a lot of scenes with her, too. Yeah. Yeah. Played your mother.

Starting point is 01:17:35 Yes. But are you 1,000% sure both of you that we never see your father before this? I don't think so. I thought we did. I'm pretty sure. In faces, with Dirst taking his face off and all that stuff going on there, when you were all 100% Klingon, we didn't see any flashback with her father. Okay. No, I agree.

Starting point is 01:17:54 I don't think so. I stand corrected then. Sorry. Let's keep on. All right. So we finished that flashed on. We come back to engineering, Bologna's deep in thought when Chakote comes up and offers up his suggestion for a name, Taya, the feminine form of... Is it tea or Taya?

Starting point is 01:18:09 Oh, I thought he said Taya. Oh, Taya. Oh, that's right. Chakotayya. Okay, Taya. Yes. Feminine form of Chikote. Yes.

Starting point is 01:18:17 This is where I wrote inappropriately flirty. Here's Chikote. Swav Chikote. Anyway, Bala says I'll add it to the list. right after Floxia, Nelix's name, suggestion. It's number 32. She's got 32 name suggestions. And we go to out to the corridor and Chocote and Bologna are heading off to grab some coffee.

Starting point is 01:18:42 And Tom shows up. There's an awkward beat with the three of them. Chacote says. Totally awkward. Yeah. I was like, I think I forgot my pad. I'm going to head back. I'll see you later.

Starting point is 01:18:53 I'm going to exit this situation. Yes. We do learn that Harry has the lumpiest pillows. on the ship hey hey that's not nice lumpy pillows the heck and that uh that harry snores we learn and he sleeps with the heat way up it was too hot all right i'm gonna say we learn a lot about i know i'll agree on lumpy pillows and snoring but i'm not going to agree on turning the heat way up i can't imagine in life you would do that you probably like a very cold like an ice cold yes do you remember every time robbie we walk in the makeup trailer if roxan was there before us

Starting point is 01:19:28 It would be 172 degrees in there. Yes. And then if Roxanne wasn't there before us, it'll be perfect. It was nice and cool. But I always knew when you were there before me, Roxanne. I'd open up that door and just be hit with the Amazon Tropic Heat. And I would like, God damn it. I know Roxanne did this every time.

Starting point is 01:19:45 I would be fighting the women to turn down that thermostat. Roxanne will walk back, turn it right back up. And I'd turn it right back down. It was like pretty much. Yeah, that's all. That's funny. I forgot about that. Tom and Bolana do reconcile a bit here.

Starting point is 01:19:58 and then the doctor calls report to sickbay, go to the doctor's office. He's changed his whole opinion. He says he thinks Bilan is right, that they should do these recommended changes. And Tom is very confused in this scene. And the doctor says, this is critical that we do this right away.

Starting point is 01:20:16 He scheduled the procedure for the following morning. And Torah's playing innocent. Oh, okay. I guess we should do what the doctor says. Tom doesn't like it. we go to the astrometrics lab seven and each other working tom comes in he says uh thanks for helping balana and by the way there may be some problems with the baby could you take a look ask eachab to take a look at the doctor's findings since eichab has such expertise in genetics and i was like

Starting point is 01:20:44 what what since when since when is echeb our geneticist yeah what is he your second opinion i don't know You know what? Echib is so focused on work that he doesn't have time to change his clothes. So I'm going to agree with that. You know, he has the same outfit. So there you go. He's an expert on genetics. Echab looks at the pad for like three seconds and says, oh, yes, you're correct.

Starting point is 01:21:09 There's a computational error. So clearly he is really smart. Tom says maybe it's a glitch or something. Seven runs a diagnostic. She says, nope, not a glitch. No. Program has been tampered with. Tom tries to contact Bologna.

Starting point is 01:21:23 She's not responding. Oh, Balana, what have you done? Gosh. He asked for her, a computer for her location. Balana's in sickbay. Bum, bum, bum. We go into sick bay, and she's in the bed. The doctor said that he's very relieved that she decided not to wait even until tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:21:43 She wants to do this procedure right now. I felt like the doctor was, Bob was playing sort of creepy doctor, like possessed doctor. But he still didn't. good job, though, I thought. It was great, though. I loved it. And when they said, you really need to turn your program off, it was absolutely. Absolutely. He's just too agreeable to everything, isn't it? A little creepy. Absolutely. Yeah, so they're starting the procedure. We go back to the Astrometrics Lab 7 says someone's blocked communication. We can't even contact the doctor. Paris asked if you can deactivate the doctor. No, access to his program has been restricted.

Starting point is 01:22:23 But Tom says Tuvok. You meet me at Tsik Bay. Come on. Outside Sick Bay, Tuvok and Paris arrive. The door won't open. It won't take Tuvok's code. So what does Tuvok do? He grabs a little plunger, sticks it on the door.

Starting point is 01:22:40 And with his super strength, that's all it takes. He just slides it open. That is a reinforced titanium plated door. Dovac, boom. He's Vulcan. He has power. Strong. Very impressed.

Starting point is 01:22:53 He had the power. We run inside. Tom says, stop this procedure, but there's a force field that we can't get close. He tells the doctor his program was altered. Balana says, ignore him. Jesus. Ignore. Roxanne, I'm going to say that's some of the best acting from a bio bed that I've ever seen.

Starting point is 01:23:13 Roxanne, you knocked it out of the park from the biobet. It's very hard to act in a biobed. And so good job that you. Good job. She's trying to get this done ASAP. I didn't have my feet up and stirrups. Yes, that would have been too much. TMI, TMI.

Starting point is 01:23:32 Tuvok calls the bridge, tells Harry to deactivate the force field by cutting power to the EPS relays. We go on the bridge, there's Harry, but he can't do it because. No, no, he says access has been restricted, but I will have to bypass them. So he's not that he can't do it. He just has to do a couple. He's got to push Palau button for it to work. Palau, Palau, Palau, Palau, that's it. Palau, Palau, three times.

Starting point is 01:23:56 Three brief times, exactly. And then boom, he's bypassed it. That's all it takes. We go back to Sick Bay. The power gets shut off. Tom goes over to deactivate whatever the doctor's doing on that biobed. Yeah. And he says to Tuvok, give us a minute.

Starting point is 01:24:10 Tuvok steps out. Tom is heated really hot here. Oh my gosh. He can't believe that she did this. And Balana says she upgraded the doctor's program so that he could understand what needs to be done. She's really rationalizing this. And this is a great scene. I thought Roxanne, I was very proud of us. I was really proud of us too. I really was, you know, to look back on it and go, man, that stands up. It does. It really did. I've had that experience in this podcast

Starting point is 01:24:41 watching all these. We're now in season seven recapping these episodes. And a lot of these I had not even seen once. I didn't watch our show regularly when it was on the air. I'd catch it now and them, but often we were working or kids. Yeah, there were episodes I never caught. I had the same thing. I mean, I did later on, I think, but probably are a couple that I haven't seen. Yeah, and when I see these, there's a lot of work like this scene that you and I did, but all of our fellow castmates had moments that just really hold up that are really worth of them. This is one of them. Yeah. Amazing cast. You really start to break us all down.

Starting point is 01:25:20 You know? Yeah. Yeah. Great scene. Tom is yelling and hitting consoles now and then, but Bolana is really expressing what's going on. Belana talks about how she was inseparable with her father. He spoiled her.

Starting point is 01:25:35 She completely worshipped him. But the older that she got, they just grew further and further apart. And this camping trip was, you know, supposed to be something that would make things better. but instead, no, it was an awful, awful trip. She ended up trying to run away, yeah. Yeah, we have another flashback.

Starting point is 01:25:51 Bala packing her bag ready to run away. We see Bala say that, you know, it was stupid, where was I going to go? And Tom's getting where all this is coming from, you know, that he just wanted to. That you probably just wanted to stop you. You just wanted to stop, you know, your dad. We go back into another flashback. A lot of flashbacks. there's a lot of flashbacks that's why i thought that actress did such a great job because it wasn't

Starting point is 01:26:20 just one under five that she had she was throughout this whole episode yeah yeah in the flashback though dad does reveal to young balana that he and and her mother are having some problems and she says you don't even love mom you don't love her anymore and she says you know you're just like everybody else you don't like clings so we've we see that you know she's blaming her parents separation or you know marital problems on yeah but also in this also in this scene she does say i heard what you said to uncle carl this is the whole you know this is this is where the where it drops yeah it comes out and the the big confrontation happens and tom tries to say we go back to sick bay tom says Well, maybe you misunder, you know, maybe your father was right.

Starting point is 01:27:14 He said you misunderstood what you heard. And Boulana says, no, I heard what I heard. I was so angry. And Paris does agree with her. Well, you had the right to be after the things he said. So now this is being good Paris, like Paris who's empathetic. We have that final flash, another flashback where young Boulana says, exclaims, if you can't stand living with us, then why don't you just leave?

Starting point is 01:27:38 And then we flash back to sick bay and we see modern day. adult Torah is saying and that's exactly what he did so the father left so here are the abandonment issues and here is the issues of losing her father because of the fact that she's going on at least that's what she shocks it up to and we come back to sick bay and tom and you know now tom i think feels like he can see what's going on he reassures her i'm never going to leave you bologna says well if you think it's hard living with one cling on pretty soon it's going to be Tom says I hope that's three or four I wrote down our 50 or 60

Starting point is 01:28:15 Why not all of them? That's very supportive of you But he was being supportive Oh my gosh, yeah Yeah I mean what he's saying is I don't care How many Klingons are in this in this family I'm down with it so

Starting point is 01:28:27 But Torres is not hearing this Yeah and he also he turns her around Beautiful moment Roxanne you were crying the tears It's very beautiful And I like when Tom says Balana I am not your father and you are not your mother.

Starting point is 01:28:43 Yeah. And our daughter's going to be perfect just the way she is. It's a great lesson for all of us. All of us are... Is this the tear scene? This is the crying scene? Yeah, this is the end of it, that sequence. But it was that, that was a great reminder to me that, like, we are not our parents.

Starting point is 01:29:00 They're part of us, but we're not them. And these childhood wounds and these things that we all experience, everybody's got their childhood wounding. But we don't have to just keep perpetuating. it that we don't have to be to reenact it over and over in our relationships and hang on to it that we can create our own life and our own experience and yeah it was a great way to kind of wrap up that yeah story and to me in a weird way it went from the medical ethics story and the racial stories and everything it went back to that universal experience of childhood wounds and

Starting point is 01:29:40 processing those in a healthy way so that we can grow and be something better and something different. That's the scene that did it for me. Yeah. It's great. We have a space shot. Medical officers log start 8-5-4-452.6. Lieutenant Torres has deleted these alterations. This is a doctor's law, medical officer's log. He says it's a relief to be back to my old self again. And our final scene is in sick bay. Balano walks in to talk to the doctor. Great scene. She apologizes. I like his line, not guilty by reason of biochemistry. I like moot swings. Like, you're not guilty.

Starting point is 01:30:19 I get it. You got some big feelings. She says, it's not an excuse. I knew what I was doing. And she feels the baby kick for the first time, which is beautiful. That's a great moment. Really great moment. And then she asked the doctor if he wants to feel the baby kick.

Starting point is 01:30:35 And it's a beautiful moment. She asks him then, would he be the godfather? and she says, Neelix wants the job, but he's already got Naomi Wildman. And Chocote knows less about raising kids than Harry, which I thought was funny. What is all these cracks on Harry in this episode? What did Harry do to deserve this? Well, Chocote knows less than you, so. Okay, so Chocote's in worse position.

Starting point is 01:31:01 Yeah, he's in worse shape than you. Fine. I'll take that. That's a win for me. We bring up the hollow projection one last time. and Boulana says she is cute, isn't she? And there you go. End of episode. Yeah. What is your lesson?

Starting point is 01:31:18 My lesson, I think I kind of said in that big scene with Boulana and Tom, that childhood trauma deeply affects us all and how we respond to it is up to us. That's the lesson I took from that. I think it was about, you know, so many things, but ultimately how we have the power to take our lives. This is what you said. It's just that we have more control than we think we do. We aren't subject to the way we look or the way other people see us is that we can actually step into a world of where we are not letting our parents

Starting point is 01:31:52 and our past define who we are, that we can create our future. And that's probably the most important thing, but I think that even taking that to the next step, saying that a future with this kind of knowledge to be able to make these kinds of changes, I just felt there was a big warning sign, a big red kind of flash warning sign is just because you can medically do these things,

Starting point is 01:32:12 you know? I mean, doesn't mean that you, that you should. It's what we're saying about that. That's putting our own fears onto our children if we want to change them because we're afraid that they may go through what we went through. You know, and it's just a horrible, horrible stars.

Starting point is 01:32:28 I'm going to say the lesson is the traits or the things that make us unique are the things that make us beautiful. So uniqueness are. uniqueness is our beauty is what i'm going to say that's great i really like i really like yeah can't change mine now you may change it if you'd like but i think you had a good one too but if you want to add to it you can i was rambling that was very succinct very nice okay good all right i kind of said what you said in a small all right we we also roxanne we rate our episodes on a scale of one to

Starting point is 01:33:07 10. I'm going to give my rating first. And then we also have a rating average from our Patreon, our captains and admirals. Yeah, our patrons. So we'll see how our ratings line up with their average rating. And we have not looked at that admiral and captain's average rating yet. That's something that it's in an envelope. So here we go, Robbie. What is your rating for this episode lineage? I am giving this episode. I really like this episode. And by the way, Roxanne, normally my criteria for a high rating is that it involves the whole crew, our whole crew, that everybody is involved in the story in a good way. And this one actually doesn't do that as well as most episodes. But I still give this a high rating because of the subject matter and the execution

Starting point is 01:33:52 by everybody. I give it at 8.5. It's my rating. Wow. Yes, I do. I stand by it. Okay. I'm going to go lower, but I'm still going to stay in eight. So 8.1, 8.1. So I'm still a favorite. I like this episode, but I'm not going as high as you. Roxanne, would you have a give us a number? Probably not because I'm nothing to compare it to it. It's like I just watched it again today and I'm not, I'm not seeing all of them. So, you know, this was if not my favorite, one of my favorite to do as an actress, you know, I mean, and that I'm, and probably, one of the ones that I'm really proud of. Yeah, with the most character development by far of any episode that I've seen for Torres, right?

Starting point is 01:34:40 I mean, really good. So, all right. So you're not going to, you're going to abstain. It will abstain. Okay. Robbie, what's the average rating between. Okay, this week, I'm pulling it up now. The average captain and admiral average rating for lineage is 8.2.

Starting point is 01:34:57 8.2. Oh, so in between ours then? In between ours, still pretty high. I almost nailed it. Yeah, yeah. So we were in the same zone. Everybody's thinking the same thing. We got you.

Starting point is 01:35:08 Great. Well, that's our recap. Ravi and I are so, so, so, so, so happy and excited to have you as our guest recapper. And we don't do this often, but we are so happy to have Roxanne here. So thank you so much. Once again, Roxanne. We are absolutely, absolutely beside ourselves in having you join us today. So thank you once again for all your thoughts and your comments and your laughter and your

Starting point is 01:35:31 Your opinions. And Garrett, you still can't imitate me. I'm still the only one. I know. This is the one thing Roxanne is so proud of, is that I do impersonations of everybody on Voyager except for her because it's so difficult to do Roxanne's voice because it doesn't have such a nice, yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:52 If she had a quirky, weird-ass voice, I could imitate it. But she has a nice, really resident, beautiful voice, which is very difficult to imitate because you have a normal. normal voice. If you had a, you know, when you, if you talk like Papa Cardo, it's easy to impersonate Papa Cardo because he does this. He goes up and down. So that's how you can. And if you have any look at Tuvok. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's Chikote. So I always have a key phrase to get into my

Starting point is 01:36:20 accents. And there was one episode where Chacote turns to Tuvac. It says, any look at Duvok. So anytime I get to that, that gets me into my to my Jacote voice. Yeah, Roxanne does not have like a thing. It's very neutral. It's very... It's very Midwest newscaster. It's like the perfect accent and it sucks because I can't impersonate

Starting point is 01:36:43 it. I don't like that. I want Roxanne to have a weird twang to her voice or a little corkiness, but she doesn't have it. I'll work on that. All right. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Thank you, everyone for tuning into our recap and discussion of lineage with our wonderful guest recapper, Roxanne Dawson.

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The Delta Flyers - Lineage

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