The Delta Flyers - Living Witness

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Living Witness. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Living Witness:Reactivated after lying inactive for 700 years, a backup version of The Doctor tries to uncover the truth about war crimes supposedly committed by Voyager when they passed a planet centuries ago.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey,Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Melissa Lau, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Bronwen Duffield, Elly Post, & Brandon MayAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Jennifer, Ann Marie Segal, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Red Wizard, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, & Robert PicardThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a Patreon patron at Patreon.com, that's P-A-T-R-E-O-N.com, forward slash the Delta Flyers. Make sure you have the S on there. It's a plural. Yes, it is because there's two of us. It's plural because there's two Delta Flyers. You have to make that distinction, though, right? Because there is another podcast by two fans, Thad and my apologies to the gentleman who is the co-host of that podcast, but it's the Delta Flyer and they reviewed, I think, up to season three maybe and they kind of discontinued

it. So yeah, we've surpassed the original Delta Flyer with the Delta Flyers. That's because there's two of us. Although there were two of them, but they didn't get the whole plural thing. Yes. If they had done the plural thing, which one? Which song? Just the two of us. That song. Just the two of us making castles in the sky. Just the two. of us you and i yeah that's you and me yeah the delta flyers plural look at that okay get a little songy song in there this almost like a new segment we've started like a songy song singing the same last part of the last episode you did unforgettable that song I did I did but we're starting kind of early this morning I don't know if my singing voices la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la I'm

to give you another shot at the very end in the bonus material to see if you can just yes for just the two of us yes for just the voice will have relaxed your throat your vocal cords will have been yes i will be warmed up and and song ready you'll be good to go you'll be good to go okay i want to bring something up yes i forgot to ask you last time yes if you had direct and don't answer after i say this is what i'm saying because i just want to keep going right i i wanted to ask you last time whether or not you had directed a show that Megan has been binge watching like crazy. And she's pulled me into it too. Oh, boy. And lo and behold, she finally gets to the end of it. It's the next to last episode of this series. It's this. I know which one you're talking about. And so then boom, she screams. I'm looking down

on my phone, looking at my fantasy football. And she screams. And I'm like, what? What? She goes, wait, wait, wait, let me rewind this. And then she realized it. And she had your name, on screen directed by Robert Duncan McNeil. I go, there he is. There he is. So you know the show is suits, of course. Yes. Oh my gosh.

What a, what a show. So my question is a fun show. It's a really fun show. Yeah. So my question to you, is that the, did you direct earlier episodes besides that season nine episode? No, I did not. Okay. So what happened was my agent had represented the creator of that show, Aaron.

I see. And so he had been talking to me about that show since the pilot script was written. Oh, my gosh. He sent me the pilot script. And then I was always working and the show took off. And it just never, there were conversations, but we never worked it out. Right. Anyway, they get to their season finale.

And Patrick Adams, one of the actors in the show, Patrick was supposed to direct the next. The Mike Ross character? Is that Patrick Adams? Yeah. Yeah. Mike Ross, exactly. Ross, yeah. Patrick was supposed to direct it. And then he got cast in a miniseries or a movie or something like that. And he was able to do his acting. But he was like, I just, I can't direct. I can't be there for the six weeks that it'll take. Yeah. You know, to or whatever to direct. Right. But I can come in for my acting obligations because I'm going to be shooting this other thing at the same time. Right. So it was very last minute. It was like, you know, weeks before he was supposed to prep. Yeah. And so my agent called me, he said, Remember that show suits that I, you know, have taken through the pilot through many years.

And Aaron just called me and he said, hey, you know, we lost our director. It's very last minute. Yeah. Everyone that's ever done the show before is not available because it's so last minute. Yeah. Is Robbie available? I happen to be available. Finally, after like eight years or whatever that show ran.

Can I get this straight? I get this correct. So Aaron, Korsh, the showrunner. is the one that reached out to your agent to see if you were available to direct. I think Aaron reached out or maybe, maybe Dennis knew that they lost it. I don't know how it. Dennis is the one that, you know, it came through Dennis. And how amazing, you get on set and lo and behold, there's another Trek alum there.

I know. Denise Crosby, Denise and you, she must. So when you saw her and she saw you, was it like, oh, my God, did you know? Well, you did know she was cast for it, obviously, right? I knew once we started the conversation about directing it, I knew that Denise was in the show. And she had a very large role in that episode, you know, it was a big episode for everybody. Huge episode for her. She did a great job.

And so my question to you is this. When you are asked to come direct a show that has been on for a while and this is your first time directing and maybe only time directing, like suits. Yeah. What is your process? Do you actually sit there and go, okay, give me the first season? I'm going to binge watch everything. Or do you say, give me one episode from season one, one from season two, three, four, five, six. Or do you say, just let me see the script and give me the synopsis, give me the Bible of who these

characters are, and I'll work on it on my own. I'll do my homework and I come in and I work. What is your process? I ask them if there's anything in particular they want me to watch that they think would be relevant to my episode, you know, let me know. Otherwise, I just do my own homework, you know, if the show is on the air and been on the air, I will look at previous episodes. The only thing that's different that I may ask if they don't offer something that's relevant is I may say, hey, you know, this season, I know you guys have been shooting, but those episodes aren't on the air.

And I'd love to see the most current cuts of what you have that's available. So I'll look at, you know, they'll send me some rough cuts of things that I can't get online or I can't find on my own. Right. So you'll try to see that at least the most recent episode that has been either aired or filmed, if you can get a copy of it, right? just so you know, what's the theme of the show or the pacing of that show at that point in time, right? Because it changes from year one to year nine. There's definitely a huge difference, right? Huge.

Yeah, because I saw the pilot episode. Megan showed me the pilot episode of suits and completely different from the final episode. It was like, oh, my God. Yeah. This is like a crazy soap opera, you know, law show wrapped in one with comedic moments. And, you know, they're quoting, oh, they've quoted Star Trek. Trek quotes. They've talked about, you know, there's all kinds of stuff that goes on in this show. So did you have fun? Did you have fun? I did. I had a lot of fun. Yeah. I really did.

It was a great cast. Did you get along with those guys? The cast? Yeah, I got along with everybody. The cast was great. I got along with everybody. Rick Hoffman, who plays Lewis Litt on the show. He had been on Chuck before. Oh, he already work with him. Yeah, he's awesome. What did he play on Chuck? I can't remember the episode, but he was, He's a bad guy. I can't remember. Really? We made 100 episodes of that show. That's true.

I can't remember. He was the bad guy of the week in a very long running show and an excellent show at that. All right. I can't wait to go watch. Living Witness. Let's go do this. Let's do it. All right.

See you soon. Yeah, soon. Hey, y'all. We are back from watching Living Witness. Yes, we are. My goodness. This is an interesting episode. Very dense is what you talked about earlier.

It was very dense. Yeah. It took me a while to make notes on this and there were a lot of guest stars. And in making my notes, I kept mixing up names. I was like, wait a minute. I know. What's that person's name exactly? Yeah, some of the details like that.

Yeah, we're tricky. Well, let's talk about how dense it is with the teleplay. This is the first time you've seen three writers contributing to the teleplay. Yeah. Fuller, Braga, and Monarch. What? I mean, that's a first. And so a dense episode for us to watch, a dense episode to write, obviously, with three writers working on it, story by Brandon Braga, directed by good old Timoteo Russ, Timothy Russ. Timmy, Timmy Timmy Tim. This is how he got his DGA card right here off

of this one episode right here. This is Tim's directing debut of Star Trek Voyager. Now, before we go on and talk about Tim's directing, which he did a great job, by the way. I do want to ask you, did you do research on the guest stars on this one? Yeah, so we had a lot of guest stars in this episode. Yeah, it was very dense with the guest stars. A lot of them had done Star Trek episodes as guest stars before. But the one that I want to start with is Brian Fitzpatrick. He played Tedron, who was the guy that gets assassinated by Janeway and the bad version.

And then he turns out to be a pretty bad. guy not a victim in the real story in the doctor's version but brian fitzpatrick was on all my children with me back in the 80s and he wasn't he wasn't that much older than me so we hung out quite a bit and uh so this is your this is your running mate in new york city like you guys were hit in the town again he hung out a little bit he was on he played i forget Mitch was the character I forget the whole name, you know, Mitchell, Mitchell Anderson or something, I think, but Mitch was, it was what comes to mind. And Brian Fitzpatrick was, yeah, he was, he was young and he was going to be a movie star and, and he came on our show not long after, came on all my children, not long after me. So how was it when you saw him on the set of Voyager?

Do you remember, were you like, I think I only saw Brian in the makeup trailer, maybe on set once. We didn't have his scenes together, but it was so great to see. him he's just a really nice guy cool um the other guest stars we had was uh henry warrenich and i'm not sure if i'm pronouncing that correctly but he played corin who was the head the museum creziorator or whatever you want to call yeah yeah he also was on the next gen uh series he played uh jadan in an episode called the drum head right and he was also on voyager in Season three in the episode Distant Origin playing Gagin for a Gagin. What?

So, yeah, so Henry Warnich. You mean he played the professor's right-hand man, the younger professor? Is that him? In the drum, sorry, in Distant Origin. Oh, no, wait a minute. He is the professor. He's the older guy. Oh, Gagin, yeah.

He played, oh, my gosh. I did not put two and two together. So that was Henry Warnich, yeah. Oh, my. Goodness. And our show, season three, and another character. Then we have the character, Daleth. Rod Arendt's is his name.

Okay. And he played Daleth, Ambassador Daleth. What was his other works that he did? He did just in terms of Star Trek. He was on TNG. He played a character called Rex in an episode called Manhunt. Okay. Gotcha.

And then we have Craig Richard Nelson played the Vaskin. an arbiter so in the mess hall when when uh the vaskin and the curian were arguing about whether they should let the doctor um you know tell his side of the story he was the oh yeah he was in the committee he was on that committee right there were two vaskins a vaskin male a vaskin female and a curian female in the committee that were kind of debating whether or not is that what you're talking about it was when they were in the when they were in the mess hall set And they were, yeah, they were arguing about it. Yeah.

But that's Craig Richard Nelson. But this is another Craig Nelson, not the guy that played the role of coach on TV. Not Craig T. Nelson. This is Craig R. Nelson. Craig R. Nelson. Not Craig T. Nelson. He was also on NextGen. He did an episode called A Matter of Perspective.

Oh, my goodness. On Next Gen. Look at all these Star Trek. And let's see who else. Oh, an interesting one is Morgan Margolis. So that was the Vaskin spectator that got in the argument in the, the museum hallway early on in the episode.

Yes. Well, he challenges him. Yeah. Corrin, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Morgan Margolis.

Yeah. He was the son of Mark Margollus, who was an actor on Star Trek Next Generation. Oh. And he also, Morgan Margollis, his dad, Mark Margollis is a fantastic actor. He's a wonderful. Right. So Morgan Margollis, grew up in New York City, went to the high school of performing arts in New York.

He also ended up doing Enterprise, Star Trek Enterprise, in season two in the episode Vanishing Point. So our goalless family has a Star Trek connection. That's about all. There were so many actors. I didn't want to go through all their resumes, but I wanted to highlight all my children connection and the other Star Trek connections that they had. All right.

Let's jump to our poetry synopsis. Yes, let's do it. All right, living witness here is my haiku. History is wrong. Doctor tries to set it straight. Dawn of Harmony. Wow. Okay. All right. That one's a little more cryptic than some of yours. It fits, but it's cryptic. Well, do you know, did you get the reference of the dawn of harmony? That was the period of, as the very end shot when you pull back

and it's a future risk it's now the museum way more in the future than we come when we first see it and they're like and that is what started the dawn of harmony is what she says

Oh, that's funny that was really nice I threw that in there so maybe that that cryptiness was because that line was not in your head it didn't land for me but I got it now

I get it now now I get it all right let's hear the limerick here we go with the limerick not quite so cryptic An evil Janeway has a new hairdo Destruction in war is what the crew now pursue History is up for debate

Doc sets the record straight but Harry's promotion was sadly never true I feel like that's a direct jab at me right now actually or at least Harry You were a lieutenant I know for one episode you were a lieutenant but you were such a jerk lieutenant i was bad oh you were like sadistic i was sadistic and that was and we'll get to that we'll talk about that that that was an acting choice that yes so we will talk

about that okay we both did we both used the doctor tries to set it straight i use that in mine and you you you use something about the doctor setting it straight in your limerick as well so we're on the same wavelength there but uh yeah so let this is let's just jump right into this right right off the bat right off the bat janeway her first line when diplomacy fails there's only one alternative violence force must be applied without apology it's the star fleet way i mean come on what an opening what an opening force must be applied without apology it's the starfleet i was like what who are you know who are you with a short hair and the black gloves on i know i didn't know what was going on and the show's dark and what a fabulous opening

though i mean talk about a scene to pull you in as an audience oh yeah this is it yeah oh my gosh love that line it was great we realized she is talking with this uh curian i'm sorry this vaskin ambassador this is day this is day lith is it day lith or day live or day liff or day liff Dayless. Is it a TH? I think so. D-A-N-D-L-E-H. Okay.

Yeah. She's going to give them some medical supplies and in exchange. He's going to give them coordinates to a wormhole that will help them get home faster. Oh, yes. They just want her help with these Kirians that they're fighting this war with. Right. And she's like, all right. Well, we'll take care of them.

He just wants Janeway to intimidate the Kirians. That's all he asks for in this scene. And then when he proposes the whole wormhole thing, this intrigues her. But I love that shot when Janeway turns the camera, that close up. And she's like, if you're lying. I mean, she just gives this look to him like, oh, yeah, you know what's going to happen. Evil Janeway. Yeah, I'm going to draw and quarter you, basically.

That was evil Janeway luck. And it was wonderful. It was just set the tone for this episode. Yeah. We go out on the bridge. And we see us a turbo lift. door open and a Kazon and a Starfleet uniform comes out. They're like, wait, what?

And then the Kazon Starfleet guy passes by Neelix who's in a gold Starfleet, Starfleet gold uniform. Yeah, look where he is. Look where he's stationed. He's right behind the captain, right? No, he's actually. I think he's in my station is where he's at. He's at Ops.

Oh, he was? Maybe he was at, maybe he was behind the captain at this point. But definitely later in this episode, he's, He's positioned at operations. But that's perfect because this history is all wrong. It has everyone in all the wrong locations and wrong roles, right? It's incorrect. All right.

Continue, please. They fire on this Kiryan ship. And one thing I noticed here when Janeway gives the order, she says something like chakotay. Yeah, chakotay. Everyone pronounces it chakotay in this episode. Everybody's saying it different in this one, chakotay, which I loved. And I loved how she's lounging in her chair. Very loungy.

Yeah. She's kind of got a leg over one side. She's leaning off the other side, very casual. Yeah, it looks like someone's going to bring her a lemonade. She's sitting on a porch right there in the middle of the summer, a little mint juniper, something like that with lemonade. Yep. So they're fighting here and not getting anywhere. And she decides she wants to use biogenic weapon. She wants to hurt the people.

She says, quote, the best way to bring down a ruler is to make his people. people suffer. Woo. Vaskin's like, no, no, I didn't want to do that. And so Vaskin is looking like a good guy here, really. And I also noticed how dark, dark, dark, dark the ship was lit. Yes.

It was very different. Oh, my gosh. Normally have. Yes. Yeah, she calls to the sick bay. And the doc doctor is hooked up to this thing. The first thing I thought of because I've just finished watching the matrix, all the movies again.

Oh, yeah. And the latest matrix. The first thing I thought of was, it's coming out of the back of his head, like in the Matrix. It looked like a matrix moment. So the doc is hooked up behind his head. And she calls to the doctor, is it ready? And he says, I'm sending a bio agent into the, he will send a bio agent into the atmosphere. Yeah.

He's loading this bio weapon. But you also notice when you see the doctor, you see his eyes. And they've given him the same context. They give data or any other Android because the doctor in this history is an android, an evil android, which I add, yes. And then we go outside, so the weapon is ready. We go out to a ship shot and we see that Voyager has these giant cannon weapons on the outside of the ship. And you're like, wait a minute. What is this?

What is this ship? Everything's all wrong. And all of a sudden, that image freezes. as Voyager is firing on the Kiryan city. So you see the fire, the phasers shoot out and then it freezes. And then we realize we pull back, we realize that we've kind of been watching this movie at a museum. Yeah. It's the Museum of Kiran Heritage is what this is called.

Right. And a Kiran named Koran is telling a group of Kirians and Vaskins. Yeah. About how the, the quote, warship Voyager visited 700. years ago and he calls it a ship of destruction yes voyager was a ship of destruction i love the description he has a compliment of over 300 soldiers this is uh this is during his q and a portion right so he asks is i'm going to open this up to questions and then he he starts telling about he he answers one of the questions and he you know he fills us in on what they think voyager is

so it's all soldiers right there's no there's no scientists all soldiers yeah and he used the word assimilated. Yes, that we assimilated the people. They had assimilated all these species along the way. They assimilated the Borg. They assimilated the Tlaxians, the Cazon, and they all were forced into basically slavery or subjugation that you have to fight for the warship Voyager now that we've conquered you. So this is a crazy depiction of Voyager and its crew, which is completely just out of control. It's just like that game of telephone, you know, when you keep whispering it down, after all these years now you have this crazy crazy image and then he says now he gives an advisory warning

now what you're about to see is graphic and unsettling and then starts up the simulation again oh my god what a crazy they're like playing all these people in the museum a movie yeah of the history that they the history that they think yes and so as the as the history starts again we're back on the bridge janeway wants to report and there are three thousand days dead now. But she asked Tuvok about the bio weapon what's happening. And Tuvok says, when it disperses, 300,000 people will be dead within an hour. Yeah. Yeah. And when he says within an hour, Janeway goes, why do you always keep me waiting, Tuvok? And he smiles the creepiest smile. Tim Russ just is so out of character. It is. I love it, though. It was.

Cool. I love it because they actually kept the closeness of the Janeway Tuvok relationship, right? Even in this evil version of it, this fake history, you have the same closeness, the same bonding, and that you're right, that evil smile. It puts it when you watch that as a fan of Voyager, you're like, what is happening now? Yeah. That's great. And in this simulation, Vaskin, who's on the ship, he begs them, you know, begs Jamie, no, don't. do this this is genocide he says he's begging these evil starfleet people yeah not to do this yeah and so janeway says it's too excessive it's too excessive yeah and janeway throws him in the brig she's like a deal is a deal yeah i'm gonna do what i said right and you're gonna fill your promise so you see a kazon dressed in security detail security reform that takes him away but you also

see another security detail individual standing on the bridge at attention with the phaser rifle and that's our long term yes that's our long term background actor Pablo Pablo oh that's right yeah Pablo Pablo standing back there holding this the phaser rifle in the in the evil costume or the evil uniform yeah very effective and very I love the costumes by the way the black you know underneath everybody had and then the gloves and how everybody's like paris's hair was parted on the wrong side on the other side yes it was probably we had the short hair we go to the brig next and the first thing we see is from behind someone slap this prisoner just like haul off and slap him and the camera moves around and there he is evil Harry Kim

with his grease back flip-to-do hairdo and the black gloves on and just enjoying this prisoner up there's Harry and Chicoat today okay so let me just say first of all This, to me, I thought that was the doctor's office inside sickbay. That's what it looked like to me. It did. I think that's where we were. So I'm going to correct you on that because you said maybe not the brig. Yeah, it's not the brig.

Maybe I thought, because she talks about the brig and then we go to this next set and there's a prisoner. I assume that there was somebody. But I want to just rewind before we continue with the entrance of evil Kim, of fake history Kim. I want to say, Paris, I, you know, for me, I was like, okay, yes, his hairs parted on the other side. but I would, I would have liked to have gone a little more extreme with Paris's hair. Like it had been cool if they gave you like a mohawk or something. Just something totally different because it was still kind of fluffy. You know what I'm saying?

It was still fluffy here. And I was like, yeah, it's still a little fluffy Paris there. Fluffy season for Paris. Yes. So I wanted to see a little bit more hardcore on Paris. But still, it was nice to seeing, you know, the evil side with the with the turtlenecks, different color. But when Kim is, when Kim is shown, and after that interrogation, do you, first and first and foremost, I want to say, do you recognize the person being interrogated, the Kirian being interrogated?

No. No, who was it? That's my friend Marty from the- Oh, that's funny. The bodybuilding, the really, you know, the guy that's in super good shape that was in the Talaxian Resort program where he sort of, yeah, the very slim little speedo swimsuit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Torres kind of looks at and kind of like, oh, yeah, yes, your future. That's Marty?

so they brought him back in for that day and I remember when we walked into that scene he's sitting there and I look at him and I'm like oh my god I go you're back and he's like yeah man how are you and it was like yeah evidently you have to beat me up today I'm like I'm like yeah because like take it easy on me I said don't worry I would never connect with you I will I will definitely play so it looks like I'm hitting you but it's not going to touch you right this but my decision was to play statistic like a sadist i so i thought he's gonna you know because i looked around i thought all right everyone's really serious you know but what if i smiled as if i enjoyed this like i really really enjoyed this right and i don't know if that's the way i would have played it if i had to do

it all over again to be perfectly honest because really yeah because it bogged it bothered me when i watched it i was like oh he's a he's totally getting into this like the decision i made great it was Yeah, so you're okay with it? It's different than regular Harry. Okay. It was totally different. I think it was more different than most. I mean, Janeway was very different for sure.

Yeah. Choncote was different. He was more intense, I guess. Paris wasn't, it's funny because Paris didn't have a lot to do in this episode. Right. But he wasn't that different. No, no, you weren't. I still felt like you weren't going to really kill anybody.

I felt, you know, evil Paris was a guy just doing his job. You know, I felt he was there. He was doing it. He didn't really care to, like, inflict extra damage on anybody he's just like just doing a job that's it you know yeah yeah and it's interesting because we later in the scene the doctor makes mention of that the doctor goes no one is the no one is the how they were on the ship well except mr paris he's oh that's right yeah that's right maybe that's why that's why you didn't that's why i forgot about that because the minute

i was upset seeing you not all messed up and maybe having putting a bald cap on you would have been interesting with like maybe a tattoo or two on your forehead but then having, you know, that comment made me think, oh, they purposely kept Paris almost the same there. You're just one part on the other side, still kind of fluffy, still kind of perisy, you know. Yeah, he's basically parisies. He's parisies still, right? But it's justified by the line later, right? So I think that was the intent of the writers, though.

Yeah. So Harry is beating this guy up. And then Chakotay gets involved, and he's interrogating this guy just saying, you know, give us this this information where is tedron that's who they're looking for where tedron is exactly i love that harry also calls him harry and the doctor i think both say chakotay you're in the scene referring to chakotay chakotay again and he's got a giant tattoo by the way i know it covers almost this giant the entire half of his face is covered right and it's crazy but cool a cool effect now you

were not in the scene. I was in this scene. And this is a scene where Robert was, I'm going to say, like his volume was up and he was kind of, he played really agitated. And Tuvok, sorry, Tim kept directing him, bring it down. And for one reason or another, Robert just wasn't making the correction. So I remember we did that three or four times where Tuvac kept saying, Tim kept saying, hey Robert bring it down a little more Zen because he's a little agro in the scene if you watch that right

and then which is not the same tone as later on when he sees Janeway and Janeway Janeway's like you know how did the interrogation go and he's evil Janeway and then evil Chocote is like well he proved to be quite you know what's the term when you volunteer when you

cooperate cooperative yeah he proved to be quite cooperative and he says it in a very kind of subdued delivery but still evil but in this scene he's super agro and i remember tim trying to pull him back a little bit you know in this scene oh interesting yeah and for one reason or another beltrane didn't wasn't having any of it he kept giving him giving it the same yeah he was like tell me where tedran is and i was like dude just chill just a little bit like tell me he kept doing the same little move and it was oh that's funny

god yeah but that's one of the few days where where beltrane's been rarely that i find throughout the series, his acting's been right on. Like, I'm totally satisfied with what he's done. This is the one scene that was a little bit like, oh, what's happening here. I don't know. I think everybody's got a free pass to go crazy this episode. You know, I think the doctor, you did. I think, oh, and by the way, so we realized last episode that, that Roxanne went into labor.

That's why she was not in some scenes. She's not in this episode at all. Not at all. She's clearly, but she's never shows up. No, she can't. She's at home. She's just gave birth to the baby. She's either still in the hospital or just getting home and dealing with a baby.

So they wrote her out of this. But they talk about her. They talk about her. They talk about her. I do think that in this scene, this is where the doctor is, is the scariest. He's the scariest. Oh, when he's talking about torturing, he puts. Well, no, because I walk up because I'm ready.

I look at Chakotay and I say, Chakotay, give me one more hits. give me one more chance. Let me hit him again. And he comes up behind me, that shot. And he says, that hypospanner would cause unacceptable level of damage. May I remind you that he just, what do you say? I remind you that he still needs to be able to speak like that. He says it's so gently that it just, you know, and I do find, it was evil. Yes, I do find evil is more effective when you don't play evil. You know what I'm saying? When you play evil with your voice, Because if the doctor was like, if he was like, that hypospanner would cause Alex, if he tried to play this crazy evil dictator type of voice, it wouldn't have worked.

But when he came in there all soft and just no expression on his face, because he's an android, it's creepy and scary too. Yeah, very effective. Very effective. So the doctor gives him a neural solvent pain. It's basically a very painful talk. and that he injects him with. And that's the part that was creepy to me when he's...

Yes, it continues with his description. Here's what's happening to you right now. You're losing your eyesight and your, your brain, you're, I forget what he said, something about his brain is going to be everything disintegrating or something. Right, right. But you can make it all stop by just telling you. I can give you a shot to reverse this right now. Reverse this, but you've got to tell us to where Tetran is.

Yeah, that was scary. It was super creepy. So we go out on this torture moment. We come onto the bridge and Chakotay tells the captain that he knows where Tadron is. And captain says lead an assault team to go retrieve him. Yeah. Bring him back on the ship. And everyone says, yes, sir.

To tell you, no one says, ma'am. Nobody says man. No. Everybody's saying, yes, sir. I think we have an attack, right? This is when we have an attack. We have intruders in engineering. And this is when Janeway releases the Borg, the Borg security detail to go and take care of the security.

She literally says initiate Borg activation sequence. Yes. Borg activation sequence. Yes. Yeah. So we've got some intruders that are in engineering. Neelik says they fortified engineering. We can't get inside.

So Janeway initiates the Borg activation sequence. We go to Cargo Bay. Now 7 is full Borg here. she is full Borg Megan we're watching this Megan's like oh my gosh how much did Jerry hate having to get back into that one for this episode she's full Borg

and then we realize she steps out first and then we realize there's three more Borg step out yeah three other drones come out and they transport into engineering and take care of these the Kirian threat the curian threat bang bang bang

and then Ging calls to janeway that we've we've done it yeah and janeway says assimilate the surviving two but seven but seven actually asked permission first so she's very you know obedient and she's in this in this world in this evil fake world she's like you know what should i do with the two survivors and then jane was like well you've been thinking about increasing your borg soldiers or whatever your drones so go ahead assimilate them it's just so evil so evil we do have this scene on the bridge with Janeway sitting at her at her chair and Harry

comes in off of the turbo lift and he slips he does that move where he slips underneath the rail underneath the rail another decision by moi that was me again very bad ass move under the rail right next to her I went up to Tim and I said look instead of me

coming up and standing at the railing or walking down to her on the same level why don't I kind of violently just slip underneath the rail where I'm right next to her in a weird way and Tim was like, let's try it. So we did. That's what stayed in there.

Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. And he's a lieutenant. She calls you a lieutenant. That's what I was going to say. This was the writers. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you so much, writers for faking me out.

Yeah, you got to be a lieutenant for an episode. For one episode. So thank you for the congrats. But it was short-lived. It was only 42 minutes worth of lieutenancy. And that was it. But, you know, I'll take it. I'll take it.

And basically, you, you inform the captain that the, attack team has captured tedron yes and she says take him take them to chamber 19 what chamber 19 it's coming even know we had chamber one yeah what's chamber 19 anyway yeah so we go to chamber 19 wherever it is yeah and the doctor's there yeah and i think janeway says something like the great tedron right so clearly he was a big deal to his people it was and chamber 19 I might add was basically the mess hall that's where we were yeah so exactly yeah chamber 19 Janeway meets Tedron and and his sidekick another curian another carry in there um she tries to get them to surrender yeah and Tedron challenges Janeway yeah because she destroyed their you know his

home world right and civilians and and he and he talks to Daleth about involved You know, Janeway and these horrible people when they could have just resolved this. Like, we could have taken care of this. Why did you bring these evil, evil people into this? Evil Voyagers. But she will not let them off the hook. She ends up stepping around behind and assassinating these two right there on the floor. Really brutal.

Janeway takes the rifle and shoots them both. Oh, my gosh. in front of everybody. Yeah. She doesn't command her evil henchman to do it. She does it herself. Does it herself. What?

And just off of this assassination tableau, the camera sort of pans over to the star field. And we have this weird reverse. Like instead of looking out of the stars in the center window, we're looking into the museum, which I thought was a kind of crazy, funny, weird shot. Yes. So we realized that we're in this kind of holographic movie,

projection of the museum simulation essentially i want to compliment to you on the usage of the word assassination tableau just no thank you that was really nice yeah that's what that's what it was just trying to paint a picture garret thank you all right continue so it's a we go inside the museum and and as as the museum director is is fin it wrapping up his um his lecture and And he says that two million Kiryans were slaughtered within days. Two million Kiryans, the evil Voyager people took out. They're horrible. And that's basically the end of his lecture.

Yeah. Oh, he did also mention that the Vaskans, the Vaskan leaders came in and they occupied all their lands and placed all the Kirians into subservience. So the Kirians were basically slaves at that point. And that it took many, many centuries for them to correct that. And they're still kind of fighting for their rights. and then he says oh i love it he's talking about all this you know this mayhem that happens because of voyager and then he says and then voyager continued on its way so like voyages came in cause crazyness

like the tasmanian devil a couple million people and left yeah yeah absolutely that's how evil they are that's how evil they are just come in kill leave and we do kind of pan off at the end of that act at the end of his lecture as the people disperse we pan over and we see the physical remains of a torpedo so one photon torpedo sitting there one photon torpedo over there yeah so we do feel they kind of we kind of leave that act feeling like maybe what he this story is true because they've got a physical piece of Voyager it's not like some of this is real right they may be simulating part of the story but some of the story there is a torpedo here right so yeah there is there is evidence look at this this is a torpedo this is a weapon or we're physically here we're not making all

this up yes this is from the warship Voyager yeah We have a time jump in the museum, a little bit later in the museum. And this is the scene where Corrin, the museum curator, is walking around. And this is where he gets challenged by a Vaskan visitor to the museum about the history, the correctness of this history. And the museum curator talks about, he defends his position. He says, and guess what? We just found a device. We just found a device that contains active data that will prove that my history in my history,

in my museum is correct. Yeah. So he's very passionate about us. They've got evidence now. They've got this data storage device, they call it. And it came from Voyager. They've recently uncovered it. And it may have personal logs and proof that all this did happen.

Yeah. So my first thought here was like, how did the data storage device survive get buried on their planet? It just makes no sense. It doesn't at this point. At this point. It gets explained later, but I made a note. I'm like, that makes no sense for their logic. I guess what I'm saying is so far we've heard their side of the story,

their history museum's story. Correct. So if that story is true, how did this data device in their version of the story end up on the planet? It doesn't fit their own story. Right. Do you know what I mean? That was the part where I was all of a sudden starting to go, wait a minute. Yeah, you weren't sure what was happening.

Yeah, there has to be another part of the story we haven't seen. We have another time jump in the museum. And this is when Corrin walks up and he activates the Voyager recreation. And he says, display engine room. I just love all the commands. These very, imagine, this is 700 years in the future. So their technology is arguably much more advanced now than what we even had. And Artifact 271, that's what we refer to as.

Artifact 271, that is the Voyager storage device with the active data in it. And as he's scanning this, he's actually using tools from our era of Voyager. it, right? Yeah, he says using simulated tools that may be more compatible with this data storage device. Yeah. And just as a, you know, if you think about anyone, anyone who is a historian watching this must be like, wow, that would be amazing. If we could actually do that to simulate, you know, the tools of that time period and use it to get to the, get to the bottom of the answers that he wants. So he does find that the data stream is much more complex than he expected. He does, realizes that the data, the active data, is much more complex that he expected. It's actually

an uptronic data stream or a hologram. He activates the doctor, has to do a few tweaks tweaks before the voice comes out clear, but it works. And the doctor doesn't realize what's going on. He doesn't know. He thinks there's an intruder alert. He thinks, yeah, that we're being attacked by. And that's the last thing he does remember is that battle that we're being attacked by the curian ships so he runs around trying to you know get people to come over and and assist in the curian intruder but that's when corin says you know this is all a simulation this is not going to help you this is the museum of curian heritage that you're in and the doctor learns that 700 years has passed and then doctor gets emotional he doesn't believe him he's like very emotional no it cannot

be and he runs out of the simulation and into the the interior of the museum which is where he realizes is, oh, my goodness, he's telling the truth. He didn't lie. And by the way, when the doctor first appears, Corrin is explaining that you are a living witness. There's our title in the scene. He says, oh, my gosh, he's so excited to have the doctor here to confirm all of this story that they think they believe because he's got a living witness.

And also, this is where the doctor does say, well, you know, you guys attacked us. That's the last thing he remembers. And he says, one of your attack parties must have taken. this portable data device. So that's where it came from. So now it's starting to come together a little bit, like the doctor's version is making sense and filling in some holes. Anyway, yeah, he's emotional.

He runs out into the museum. I made a note here, he has no hollow emitter. So how is he? I didn't know how he was running out there. But then later on, I realize he's got the, Corrin's got this, this, you know, data storage device with him. And that's, that must be what's projecting wherever he goes. Or that place is so, so futuristic that everything is, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's just like breathing to us.

And I do find it interesting, Robbie, that the set, I mean, it's, if you think about that mandate to the set design department and you're telling them, you're telling them on a futuristic show that you need to come up with something that's even more. more futuristic than what we have now. Yeah. That's kind of a tall order. I would be sweating bullets a little bit on that one. If I was head of the set design team, I'm like, okay, set construction. I thought the museum looked great, though. I remember that set.

I remember they were building it. It was pretty enormous. Yeah. But in the stairwell that kind of wrapped around the curb stairwell. And the ceiling, how the tiles were, of the glass exterior tiles. And it looked very futuristic. They did a great job. I thought they did a great job.

well. When we go into the museum interior, when the doctor runs out there, that's when Corrin does explain to the doctor that there's issues that need to be resolved first before getting back to the Alpha Quadron or seeing if Starfleet is still there. He said, and the doctor's confused. He's, what are you talking about? He says, well, in our time, in this time, artificial life forms are considered sentient and responsible for their actions, which is pretty much what data and the doctor have won the entire time that they've been alive and now this is a normal thing. This guy's saying you may face charges. You might face charges for the bioweapon. You may face charges because you were the one that created this bioweapon. A bioweapon that killed eight

million Kyrians, right? And the doctor is now just beside himself. It's like, are you kidding me? I didn't do that. And it is what evidence do you have? And then, you know, Corrin's like, well, the evidence is all around you. And he looks up, he says, what? A triple armored hall looking at a Yeah, he loves at the ship's schematic, and he's like, that's not what the ship looked like. 30 torpedo tubes, 25 phaser banks, and all on a mission back home. And then that's when Corrin says, to Mars, which when you asked me earlier about if there was humor in this episode, I was like, I'm not sure. Yes, there is.

There's a couple moments, a couple of moments. Yes. Yeah, when he says, yes, we know that you were on a mission to get back home to Mars. To Mars. To Earth. Exactly. Completely wrong. Yeah.

up. He's going to set the record straight. Yeah, he's going to set the record straight. We jump to the fake history briefing room scene. And my goodness, this is the highlight of this episode, all the little quips and all the little inaccuracies here, especially between Tom Paris and Jacote, Tom Paris and Nelix. Oh, when Nelix gives you, what is the comment that he says, Robbie? He said, what do he say to you? He says something about the effect that, you know, Tom says, evil Tom says, well, I'll go ahead and handle this. And Neelis said, well, good luck with that. I mean, just sarcasm. And then Paris calls Neelix a hedgehog. He goes, shut up. Hedgehog. I mean, he's really, it's just, it's so funny. Everybody's arguing with everybody. It gets into, it gets into, like, all the

boys literally get into a scuffle. Oh my goodness. Like fighting each other in a big dog pile. And then Janeway shoots her phaser at a console to spark it and break it all up. Yeah. But I got to say, that fight, though, Robbie, that was. almost Keystone Cops. Oh, it was. And maybe that was the intent of Tim. And I'm going to ask him that when we talk to him. I'm just curious about the blocking behind that, his intent.

Maybe that's what he was looking for, you know? Because really, anything can go. It can look like Keystone cops because this is false history. It could be anything, right? Except at the end, when the doctor protests this vision of this crazy fight that Janeway stopped. And she doesn't shoot just anything. She shoots the entire console and displays it out of the computer console. It's like, but in this scene, this is when they decide on a bio weapon.

And that's when the doctor goes, this is absurd. Yes, that's right. He said, no one behaved like this. Yes, except Mr. Paris. Which I love. Except Mr. Parrott. Did you laugh when he did that? Yeah, I did.

That was funny. All right. So that to me was very interesting that he threw that line out there, which then makes some sense about what happened earlier, how Paris does seem to be the most normal. of all the evil Voyager characters, right? At least. And the doctor does say in this scene, the real doctor, he says, I do remember that there was a real trade agreement going on.

And then the Kiryans attacked first. The Kiryans were the aggressors. That's what is. Which is shocking to Corin. Corrin, can't believe this. What is happening? Go back to the assassination scene again. And the real doctor is there observing.

And he sees this assassination. And he's outraged by this. And he remembers that Tedron led this attack against us, against Voyager. He's the one that was the aggressor there. And that he says, you're rewriting history to make yourselves look better. It's revisionist history. And Corrin can't take this. This is just not making sense to him.

And so he shuts down the doctor's program. He just deactivates him right there. He activates the doctor. Mid-sentence. And he kind of says mutters to himself at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This doctor is just lying.

I will say the background music was quite effective as well in a lot of these, the classical music soundtrack that was laid down in the background. We are now in the museum curator, Corrin's office is what it looks like. And he is taking a dictation, not like the one that Ethan Phillips took on Wagon's East, wagons West. Is it Wagon's West or Wagon's East? Wagon's East. Yeah, Wagon's East, the dictation.

that's not the same dictation but he does talk about how the doctor was correct and he checked everything he's starting to think yeah he's basically saying you know the doctor is a hologram and we thought the doctor was an android so if we're wrong about that then maybe we're wrong about some other things yeah and he even wonders why would a hologram lie like he's not programmed to lie correct so he ends the the dictation and he ends the dictation by hitting a com badge Yeah. He had a comb badge on his chest. On the other side, like our com badges are usually on our left side.

Right. He had a little thing on his right side that he was dictating into his dictation. So I thought that was kind of a nice little connection. Do our com badges do dictation as well? I think so. I don't recall us anymore. I don't think we've ever, I can't remember ever using it. Yes.

We can also just talk to the computer in the room. That's true. We don't need the com badge for that. Okay. Yeah. So then we jump to the museum interior where Corrin then requests to display the medical chamber is what he calls it instead of sickbay. He says the medical chamber.

And now there's a simulation of sickbay. He walks in and he reactivates the doctor who has definite memory that he was deactivated recently and kind of treats him quite coldly, actually. Oh, it's you. He's like, stop treating me like a second class hologram. Love it. He stands up for himself, right? as he should as he should and corin says all my life i thought i knew the truth but now i'm not so sure right

and uh he does allow the doctor to create uh some holographic versions of of what he remembers the history the real history to be yes so the doctor gets that agreement and now we go into a recreation of the ready room from the doctor's version of the story yeah and now it's bright it's much nicer. Januay's hair looks the same. It's not short. She's not wearing the black gloves. And she's back in this negotiation with Daleth for the Dilithion in exchange for these

medical supplies. Yeah. And Daleth says, you know, we need to do this quickly because the Kirians are violent. Yes. Violent people. And just as they're about to steal the deal and finish. Ship rocks. Boom.

It rocks. We go out to the bridge. The ship's being attacked. Janeway's like Moosa out of orbit. but before they can get out of out of close orbit the ship is boarded by this curian rating party into engineering and security security jumps down to engineering and there's tedrin who was such a nice sweet guy earlier my good friend brian fitzpatrick and now he's got a gun holding holding seven with a gun at her head now he's evil test like this the version switch now

he's evil tedron it's evil fits i'm a yeah it's evil fits and There he is. And guess what? He's killed three people in engineering. Three are dead. Thank goodness. Roxanne was busy giving birth. So, you know, she was not in that scene.

And yes, three are dead. They kidnap seven of nine and maybe another personnel, engineering personnel. Yeah. They take him hostage. I think Joey, the Asian American background person, Joey, he was there. He was taking hostage with seven. I mean, not nice. Sad for Joey.

But nice. I said Joey was on screen. Yes. And this is when Tuvok shows up. The cavalry shows up, but Tedrin's got the upper hand. And he says, you know, stand down and they do. And they run out with the hostages. Down the hallway.

Now we go to a hallway chase. Yes. They're chasing Tedron and the doctor's there. And the doctor offers to be a shield at one point. Yeah. Because they run into the mess hall, right? So that's when we chase them to the other side. Yeah.

And the doctor offers to be a shield comes off like such a hero. And he goes, well, actually, I'm a hologram. So it doesn't really matter. Can I read his lines? Yeah, what did he say? He says, he goes, I'll go first, Captain. And draw any fire if need be. And that's when the ambassador, the Vaskan ambassador says, your crew is heroic captain.

And she says, and then the doctor says, I just happen to be invulnerable to phase a fire. But I appreciate the compliment. it's so heroic for the doctor it's so funny all these lines are just but thank you for the compliment but thank you for the compliment but i almost feel like what an interesting twist or another level if this is also the doctor's version which makes him more heroic and it doesn't really happen that way right yeah wait interesting yes there's another level here possibly possibly possibly okay so we go in the mess hall yep and there's uh tetran's got seven still and there's a bit of a standoff yeah And then as the rear door opens,

Tedron's distracted for a moment, and Daleth pulls out his gun and shoots Tedron and kills him there. Right. So the only way that happened was seven. Seven disarmed him with a karate chop. Tedron's weapon flies up in the air. And then she,

you know, she hits him in the solar plexus and he doubles over. And while he's doubled over, that's when Deilf pulls out his weapon. And Janeway, yeah, he pulls out his weapon. And Janeway goes, no, don't. Stop. Yes.

But Daileth does it anyway. So Tedron's not such a nice guy and Daileth's not such a, like, the version in the museum had them as such sweet, innocent people. Neither one of them are completely innocent. No. And that's when we freeze the program. We see that there's a Vaskan arbiter and a Curian arbiter now arguing over whose fault it was. Correct.

And the Curian Arbiter does not want to hear change the story because the Curian's, were innocent victims. Right. They've been the victims this entire time. This entire time. And the Vaskan arbiter is a little more open to we need to know the truth here. So there's a, there's a debate going on. They talk about race in his jab. Yeah, the race is in here, but he does throw in his jab, the Vaskin. He says, and this is what our people have believed the entire time that we were not the aggressors, that the Kyrians were. So he even throws in his little angle, which is clearly in the back of the minds of every Vaskin that exist on the planet. They were not the aggressors to begin. And the Vaskans have held on this resentment and the Kyrans have held

on this victim mentality. And so the story has gone on and on and it's just not true. So yeah, the Vaskans are more open to this interpretation because they were always painted as the aggressive race. Correct. The Curian representative wants hard proof and the doc says, hey, the medical tricorder that we have at the museum, if I can get inside there and do a scan, And, you know, to get the data out of that, I can prove to you that Tetran was shot by a Vaskan weapon. Correct. They can get it working. The bioredings will prove that it was the Vaskan weapon that killed Tedrin and not a Kiran or a Voyager weapon, a Voyager phaser.

So we go into the Sick Bay hologram simulation and the doctor's working on the tricorder and he wishes the doctor wishes that he had Balana to help him. This is when Bala finally gets, get some attention in her story because she's just had her baby, Roxanne. And so we talk about Boulana and what's his name? Corrin says, oh, Bala, the chief transporter operator. Yeah. He goes, no, no, she wasn't the transporter operator. The head of engineering. I will admit, Robbie, I really wanted to see evil Taurus.

I know, that would have been good. It would have been funny if she was exactly the opposite where she wasn't, didn't have any temper tantrums. She was totally zen like. Maybe that would have been pretty funny. It could have been cool. Yeah. Corrin says, you know, what was she like?

And the doctor says she was intelligent and beautiful with a chip on her shoulder, the size of the horse head nebula. Yes. What? That's pretty big. Is that big? I don't know what horse head. Oh, it is.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can actually Google that. It is a real nebula. It's a real nebula. Yes, it is. and that's how big a ship was it's big yes but he the doctor gets sad here as he starts talking about balana and he really misses the real voyager crew and he yeah and uh he wants to know if they ever made it

home yeah and even corin says he he wonders too because this voyager story is what made him fall in love with history in the first place when he was a kid oh yeah and so you get this moment of how profound history can be in sort of inspiring people, these historical stories. And that's so true. I could totally relate to that because I think as, you know, as kids, as more impressionable young people, these stories we hear, these true stories about whether it was maybe for you and I actors and their journey in acting that inspired us to kind of go down that path or whatever the thing is that inspires you to pursue your. your what you what you love and what you connect to even though voyager was this evil this evil

you know character in their fake history it was something there was a quality about this exploration and trying to get home that inspired him so it is also interesting that what inspired corin is the only thing that is true about the corin version of this history right and voyager was trying to get home that is the only thing that they have right and that truth of that story is what inspired him, which so it's cool. It's a cool little writing movie, I think. I like how the writers handled this for sure. And while they're talking and having this nice connection, there's a shake in the museum. And the doctor goes, is that part of the simulation? I don't think it is. No. No, it's not. All heck is breaking loose out in the museum.

Out in the museum, there's basically a riot going on. And then we start this long sequence of fighting and crashing and trashing the museum. My gosh. And, and it's, It had to have been all stunt people running around there because there were sparks and things falling. And, you know, Corrin says they're using proton grenades. It was a big sequence. Yeah. It's a very big destruction sequence. You know, the actor that played Corrin and Bob Picardo, they had to go, they did their own stunt.

That one where they're kind of huddled in the corner for shelter and that falling. Yeah, all this debris is dropped on top of their head. That probably wasn't very pleasing to experience. but they did it. It was a good destruction sequence. It was pretty big. And then we have a bit of a time cut. We come back later.

The riots's over, but the place is destroyed. Yeah. And they can't find the tricorder, which was the thing that was going to prove, you know, they can't find it. And the doctor says,

you know, two people have, he learned that two people have died already. And he's like, you know, I swore to do no harm. And people are, you know,

this is harm. like me trying to prove this correct the the history is harming people and it's not he basically says it's not important now ultimately it doesn't matter right i don't he doesn't want the responsibility of all these people getting hurt yeah and corin says um that you have to help us we have to correct this or else we're just going to repeat the same cycle correct that's what changes his mind yeah that's what changes in mind yeah so uh we have um a bit of a time cut and now we're now we jump further in the future now we're into uh a group of kyrians and vaskins are all standing around a view screen watching the doctors the the corrected version of history um and talking about

how how uh this was a turning point in both people's history and that it finally brought equality and peace to the Vaskins and the Caryans. And it was known as the dawn of harmony, which I was the dawn of harmony. There's your IQ. Yes. Yes. We learn in this sequence that the doctor became the surgical chancellor of the united races of the Quarans and the Vaskins.

Surgeon General, he was the surgical chancellor for many years, until he finally left in a very small shuttle to head back, trace Voyager's path and try to find if find out if Voyager got back home, yeah. To the Alpha Quadrant. Yeah. And he claimed to have a longing for home, which I thought was very sweet. It was. It was.

Yeah, it was a very sweet ending to the story. Sweet ending, a superb episode for the doctor. He did a really good job acting on this in terms of defending us, everything, you know, all along whatever nuances were needed for that for the for the doctor in this episode Bob Picardo met that challenge uh all the way all very good good word really good what is your theme what is your lesson that you my lesson is my lesson is probably pretty obvious but i wrote down those who don't face the truth of history are doomed to repeat the past yeah yeah i think that's a good one i'm not going to really you know i'm not going to go any further than that you know

You're on the same page? I'm on the same page. Just, you know, in essence, just do your due diligence, really, and just understand that there are many size to a story. Just know that, right? And just try to be, and it's so hard. It's so difficult to be subjective, excuse me, to be objective, because you're usually very subjective, right?

You're telling a story or seeing it from your angle, always, and to try to see it from everyone else's shoes, that's a tough part. that's a difficult part but if you can do that you know this is how you get world peace this is how you get the dawn of harmony yeah all right the dawn of harmony there you go a chockful actiony episode with a lot of layers and a lot of and i liked it i did and i'm going to ask you what is your rating what is your rating one to ten what are you going to give this guy i'm going to give this a seven i like the concept a lot it felt a little bit luxury to me and i wish there's been slightly more kind of plot action you know ups and downs but but it still was entertaining it was interesting and

intriguing and it didn't drag on for me i give it a seven okay what about you i'm going to give it an eight point five i give it higher because it is the only episode that is somewhat of a mirror episode for voyager you don't see very many portrayals of evil ensign kim evil paris evil jane way so this is why i'd give it 8.5 yeah it was good i really enjoyed it yeah honestly did all right everyone thank you for tuning in to rob and i's recap and discussion of living witness yes that was really fun and patreon patrons stay tuned for your bonus material everybody else we will see you next week when we review demon another amazing episode which i'm sure you will remember. Okay. That's my guess that you'll remember that. Thanks, everybody. See you soon.

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