The Delta Flyers - Maneuvers

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Maneuvers. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Maneuvers:Chakotay feels responsible after Seska masterminds a successful raid on the Voyager that gives the Kazons vital Federation technology.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise, and Rebecca Jayne, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Peter Patch, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Jason Self, Daniel Adam, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Shannyn Bourke, and Holly SmithAnd our Producers: Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Deborah Schander, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Breana Harris, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Gay Kleven-Lundstrom, Gregory Kinstetter, Laura Swanson, Máia W, Luz R, Charity Ponton, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Katie Johnson, Craig Sweaton, Maggie Moore, Ryan Hammond, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, Dave Grad, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Katherine Puterbaugh, Claire Deans, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Cutler, Crystal Komenda, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Oliver Campbell, Anna Post, Evette Rowley, Robert Hess, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Nathan Butler, Terry Lee Hammons, Andrei Dunca, James Keel, Daniel Owen, Brian Jordan, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, and Ming Xie Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. How are you, buddy? I'm good. Hi, guys. Good day back here on set. As you see, I'm just doing a little filming behind me in my virtual set back there. Yeah. I had a night last night. You know those nights when you sit there and you're like, okay, I'm going to go to bed at a decent hour.

And then you're like in bed and you just sit there and you look at the clock and you're like, Jesus, it's now 11. It's now midnight. It's now one. It's now two. This continued. I don't think I fell asleep, honestly, Robbie, until six. 6 a.m. 530 or 6th. Yeah, it was just, it was rough. Part of it was my shoulder. I have, I don't know

if you ever sleep wrong. And then you end up, yeah, you get a crick in your neck or your shoulder. That's, that's what I was dealing with. Just, it was a nightmare, literally. So I sleep funny. I don't know how I sleep, but sometimes I'll twist and I'll my hips, like literally my hip sockets are like, I'll wake up and I'll be like, ow, because I think I twist like a pretzel sometimes when I sleep I don't know interesting so you feel it in your hips wow yeah isn't that weird that is I used to I used to feel it in my shoulders some yeah but um but my shoulders are good these days but it's just yeah sometimes I think I twist around and like my legs are going one way and my shoulders are going the other and then and then my hips hurt in the morning because

I'm it's like it's like when you if you fall asleep and you get like a your muscles something falls asleep like your arm falls asleep because you got in a weird position that's kind of how it feel sometimes. So do you end up doing anything? Sleeping is hard. When you wake, you stretch it out or you just kind of grin and bear it? Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes. All right. That's good. Yeah. I just, I, here's the thing. I just finished Resident Alien yesterday. We finished the season finally, this show that has had so many obstacles. I can't even start to list all of them. And we finally finished yesterday up on a glacier. Helicopter rides up to the glacier filming. I went up two days in a

and finally finished that. So I'm going to be sleeping much better for a little while. I was not sleeping well. A lot of anxiety. We came back from the COVID break and shot elements and scenes from nine of the 10 episodes. And I was directing all of that material because we didn't want to bring back directors for, you know, quarantining and everything. So it's the longest, the longest stretch I've ever done.

directed. Wait a minute. So you're telling me you were finishing nine or 10 episodes and some of those episodes were directed originally by other directors, correct? Yes. Yes. So then did you try to imitate the feel of each director as best you could, you know? I talked to those directors ahead of time and ask them exactly how they saw the scene because I want to give them what they wanted. Of course. That's their episode. Yeah. So part of my job when I have to do that is to find out What's your shot list? What's your plan? I can't always guarantee because things happen when we get there.

Right. That we can get every shot. But I try to do that. So, yeah, that's what I did. Try to fit it, you know, shoot it the way they wanted. Sometimes they didn't really have a precise plan. So I could figure that out with the actors on the day. Yeah.

But yeah, we had a 10-episode season. I had to shoot the entire finale. We still had to shoot. Plus scenes from eight other episodes. some small scenes some very big scenes um so yeah i shot 25 work days in a row which i've never done as a director usually on a you know on star trek we shot those episodes in seven days yeah seven shooting days i had 25 days that i just finished yesterday so i'm ready for a little break you can hibernate now it's time for you to hibernate i'm ready okay i am ready all righty so

So this week's episode, yes, it's maneuvers. We're on to maneuvers. So let's go and rewatch this episode and come back and give our recap. And for our patrons, stay tuned for what do we remember? Welcome back, guys. We've just finished rewatching maneuvers. Yes, we have. Yes, we have.

Yeah, I got to say, I did remember some of this. Like those, you know, my memories when I was like, I got some images. Maybe it was the holodeck. Maybe it was, it was actually what I was, the memories I was having in our, in our, what do we remember? We were talking about earlier was from the Chukote interrogation portion. I remember filming that. I must have been shadowing David Livingston. Yeah.

I remember dealing with a stunt of that and a few things. about that scene, that interrogation scene, definitely came back to mind. A lot of the stuff that was on the Kazon ship, I remember being there to shadow and watch. So that was the memories I was having. As well as I think I somewhere remembered the pregnancy, but I couldn't articulate. I mean, I knew that happened in the series, but I felt like that was around this episode. So, yeah, I have vague memories of this episode. I had fun.

I actually really liked this episode. I thought it was great. Well, thank God that you had motivations to direct and that you shadow, because that's helping your memory. That's the only things I remember. I know. All right. So let's do our synopsis. You want me to take a shot in mine right now, or do you want to go? I've got a limerick. Okay. I've got a limerick for my synopsis.

I don't know how all-encompassing. It was a complicated episode, so it's hard. Yeah. But my limerick, let me get to it here. Uh, my limerick was, here we go, for maneuvers. Cessca can't forget about Chocote, and she uses Maj Culla the same way. Janeway took a chance, and by the seat of their pants, they saved the crew and their technology to fight another day. Whoa, that was actually good. When you told me earlier that it wasn't so good, I was expecting me to be very subpar. but that was actually above par.

Oh, really? Yeah, I like that. I like that. Okay. My haiku synopsis would be. Cessca steals module. Chikote goes after her. Hostage trade works best.

It does. Hostage trade usually works best. I've got a whole big, huge issue, though, with I've got a huge issue with the ending but we'll get there and I'll get there we'll get there we'll get there I've got written I'm like a huge hole but anyway go ahead okay written by Ken Biller directed by David Livingston obviously you recall shadowing with shadowing David for this particular episode you remember that interrogation scene what really stood out to me in terms of something that I don't recall at all was the use of that Kazon shuttle as a kamikaze shuttle

where they just punctured our hull with it. You know, they modified their hull to be more of a, you know, to puncture, basically, to get into us. And I don't remember filming that at all. And that's such a big setup for this episode. But it's for me that was kind of like, what? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't remember the kamikaze thing either.

I just all, I still struggle with the Kazon generally. Whenever they say like, oh, they need our technology because we can make water and we can make food. And I'm like, dude, you just created a shuttle that can puncture Starfleet hulls. You've got laser beams from your ships that shoot out and almost destroy us. You've got so much technology, but yet you don't know how to make water or food. Would it play devil's advocate? They do have, they do have SESCA kind of, you know, helping out and kind of guiding them with the technology. But it's true.

Even when in those scenes with SESCA on the K's on bridge, when she's talking to everybody and she's like, make sure we reduce the emission, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm thinking, these guys don't know what you're talking about. They don't even know how to make water. It's like, I don't believe this. Like, they literally look like, you know, Tibetan goat herders with their uniforms. And they're so advanced that they're going to know all these like techno babble turns. So it is a little, you have to kind of, you know, you kind of kind of just have to trust that this is the way it is.

And just go with that because otherwise, I'm going to get a little annoyed. I'll go with it. Let me go back, though. I'm going to go back for a second. The very first, the very first scene. Bala and Chik, yeah. Well, even the turbo lift, the very first scene. Bala and Chakota step into a turbo lift.

Yeah. And they're talking about hoverball and they've been called to the bridge. I noticed that that was shot as a oneer. So if the fans go back and you watch, you'll see the turbo lift doors open. And then Chocote and Bologna step in and then you see kind of a shadow of as if the door shuts.

You never see the door shut. And they talk for a while. And then the light opens again as if the door open and they step out and they're on the bridge. I just want the fans to know that was shot. They started that scene in the turbo lift that's on the bridge. They just stepped in, pretended like the doors shut,

pretended like the doors open, and then stepped out as if they had come from somewhere else. But if you watch it again, you'll notice, and I remember when they did that, I thought it was super clever. I'm like, wait a minute, what? But if you don't show that the turbo lift they're stepping into is actually already on the bridge,

then it looks like you've actually gone inside turbo lift, gone up somewhere else, come out on the bridge. You didn't. You just went in the same turbo that's right there on the bridge. And it works right. I, man. I did not catch that at all. Look at that little bit of Hollywood magic there to cover that up. I want to say that the first time that we're on our bridge, you give a very low, yes ma'am. Typically, I'm used to, yes, ma'am. But this one, you're like, yes, ma'am. You went really low in the-interested. thing. I did I did notice in this episode more than ever the kind of distinctive vocal qualities of all of us. I mean, clearly, I know that I have a sort of, yes, ma'am, sort of a, that was what

I did for Tom Paris. You're breathy. Very breathy. I noticed that Janeway whispered, she either whispers a lot, or she's barking very sharp like you do, you know, like you do a good imitation. but I definitely noticed balana has this sort of warbly well captain it's kind of a warbly sound i don't know i do horrible impersonations but i notice every time Roxanne had a scene that was sort of a dramatic warble to her voice and I never had noticed it before but I'm like totally that's the distinctive Roxanne Dawson quality it's this sort of dramatic warble thing. Look at it when you watch another episode. I will. I will, but I'm going to say

our voices, our characters and our voices are pretty much instruments in a symphony orchestra. We all have a different cadence and a different sort of warble, you know, so that's true. I'm going to listen for the warble. Do you notice with her hair? Yeah, her hair changed in the middle of the episode. It's like she went to the salon. Like Balano was like, I'm upset about Chacote's gone. I've got to go to the salon. It was like, whoop? What was that? She had a little haircut. So, yeah, so the beginning,

it's all poofy and, like, she just got out of the salon. It's like a buffon hairdo. And then starting in that scene where she's in the briefing room, it's now flattened down. It's not as poofy anymore. And that's towards the second half of the episode. So first half of the episode, salon, second half, not so much. And I thought when you brought up that turbo lift scene with Chacote and Mauna. I did not know. I thought you were going to get on to one of your little jealous things, saying like, look at it, look at what's going on.

But no, you told us about the camera move. So I'm very impressed that you haven't let it get to the, get to you. I was trying to not go there, Garrett, but thanks for bringing that up. You know, thanks a lot for bringing that up. Oh, I noticed. I noticed that they were in the turbo lift. I noticed that Balana goes and begs to save her dear friend Chakote. Chichote very emotionally with extra warble in her voice.

I did notice, I noticed it all. Okay, let's just say, when they were talking about Cessca, Chocote, before he takes off on the shuttle, and he's talking with Boulana about Cessca, and she's like, oh, she's getting to you. I saw her little jealousy of Cessca. I saw her getting flirty. I saw him with his little smile. Oh, I saw it. I did not miss a moment.

Yeah. But I'm not going to let it get to me. Not going to let it get to me one. Oh, yeah. I loved when she goes, that little conversation between Balana and was, yeah, with Chikote. And she says, she's like, you have a lousy taste in women or something like that. waiting for and the subtext was like you should have picked me yeah totally was and I knew jealous for watching that scene jealous it's not the right word um confused confused

just I was baffled confused why is she behaving that way with chukote who clearly can't compete but anyway uh Martha Martha Hackett when she comes on to the view screen and we see her for the first time yes once again such a delicious performance by Martha Hackett as Cessica. Again, just relishes that role and she does such a great job with it. And once again, we see Anthony DeLongas, my college theater department movement and stage combat teacher as Maj Kula. And, you know, I just wanted to say that typically when you go to any university's

theater department, it's filled with teaching personnel that nine times out of 10 gave it a shot in Hollywood but kind of like eh nothing really happened so they went to teach you know so if you can't make it as a you know if acting can't be your way of making a living well then you can teach acting typically right but with a lot of the teachers especially with anthony delongus being a professor at the UCLA theater department that afforded him the chance to go on auditions because he was already in L.A., you know so that that you know is really I think more it's more rare to see that right we have someone teaching and also actively acting in roles yeah i want to bring that up yeah anthony is great i as we talked about before i had worked with him on masters of the universe he played

that's right um in the movie and so i i knew anthony as well yeah a very young anthony at that point right i mean he yes he was yeah definitely i was a much younger uh robert tumpf mcneal you were a at that point. I was a terrible. You were, I was a baby. Okay. Your skin was so smooth then. Yes, it was. And I was so innocent and naive. With your, with your long locks, your night, early 90s. What was it? What year did you film that? Masters? Like 86, I think.

Okay, that was your 80s hair then, right? Oh, totally 80s hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So on the bridge, when we hear that there's a beacon sending a Federation signal, and there's some shots of Tom Paris turning back and talking to them. I think Janeway was up at Tuock Station in that very first scene. I noticed that I wanted to share, I guess, that shot of Paris down front with a view screen, those would always get shot. I did a lot of shots sometimes weeks after the rest of the scene was shot, because they would never turn around and shoot the view screen, almost never,

while we were filming an episode because that required Viz effects and they put that on their second unit days so if there was a view screen up front we'd often, almost always put that on a second unit list so I would go to these second unit days because I was down front

and I would sit there and do multiple episodes sometimes of like okay wait what was this what is this scene again oh this is when we see the beacon and we see SESCA and I'd be there by myself with someone reading off camera and no one else was around

and it was so I feel like that shot was one of those because it felt like it had nothing to like I was not actually talking to Janeway or anybody it was probably you know long after the fact and I had you know somebody up there

like an AD or somebody reading the lines of everybody else but that would often happen those shot anytime you see the view screen and Paris or the view screen and the captain down there and she turns around. That was usually done separately from the scene. So, yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting because, like, you did multiple episodes there. And now, as a director, you had to do multiple episodes of Resident Alien as well. So you kind of had, you're trained as an actor dealing with multiple episodes in second unit. And Second Unit, I didn't know that you were doing that much in second unit. I would say in the entire seven, yeah, in the entire seven years, that I worked on Voyager, I think I probably showed up for second unit maybe twice. Wow.

I really, it's, and for those of you who are listening, second unit is really just a very, very scaled down version of first unit. Like, you really feel the energy when you're with first unit, you feel everybody's energy, everyone's there, but then second unit's sort of like you can hear crickets in the background. It's like you're in the country. There's no rush. It's a couple of people, small crew, and they're a little confused often.

They're like, wait, so what do we, what exactly is this? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I did it a lot because of where my seat was. Right. All those shots of the view screen that I was tied into. Okay. Did they actually film your hands touching the console?

Because most of the time, it wasn't my hands. It was second-deme. Sometimes. Yeah, they'd have a double hand double often for hands, but if it was. was over my shoulder to the view screen and someone talking to the captain behind me, I would have to sit there so that when I turned around, they had my face. Sometimes they'd put a photo double even for the wide shot down there. But often I was there.

I was there. I wouldn't say every second unit, but I would say at least once a month, I was in for a second unit. And I do multiple episodes and have no idea what the scenes were because they had been done weeks before. Right. And wasn't the person in charge of second unit usually vis vis effects? Yeah, it was usually vis effects. Dan Curry would come into it. Did the director of photography sometimes direct second unit or no? Like I don't think so, Doug Knapp, no. I don't think so. I think it was usually vis effects coming in or why was why did Dan Curry get that job to do that though? Because it was usually second unit was visual effects.

It had something to do with a visual effects. Yeah. Shots that needed some very specific framing or very specific elements that would take more time. That's why we didn't do it in first unit. It was just slow. It would take more time. So, you know, balancing. Back then, the green screen had to be, you know, very evenly exposed.

It was much more touchy than nowadays you can put anything up. Literally. Computers. Yeah. You can put almost anything else. get anything you don't need tracking marks and all the things that you used to need so yeah technology has come a long way since we film voyager yeah yeah so back to our plot the kamikaze ship that was very cool i love that they used sort of an old school way combined with with like new school sci-fi ideas to

sort of break into the ship and then exit through the via the transporters i thought that was a very dynamic and cool exciting way to to break in um agreed So the Nistram now have some Starfleet technology. They stole one of our transporter modules, and that's a huge issue for Janeway. She's got to, you know, they are required to do almost anything to prevent Starfleet technology from altering, you know, the balance of power with any kind of alien interactions that they have. So it's a big deal that this transporter. technology got stolen um that it's called the quantum residence oscillator is what they stole i think they say um look at you with your techno yeah the quantum resonance of course everybody knows about the

you know uh transported technology duh duh do you remember you remember that movie fish called wanda and uh jimmy lee curtis is yeah kevin lee curtis's character is always um getting really turned on whenever Kevin Klein uses these different accents or whatever. I'm just wondering if there's someone out there that gets really turned on by hearing techno babble, like quantum resonance oscillator, yeah. There's a bunch of it in this. By the way, this episode, I thought the plot, like all the beats were really interesting. There were a lot of turns and twists and turns in the plot.

I thought all the sci-fi elements were conceived really cool. I mean, the weakest part of this episode to me is still the Kazon as an alien. I just struggle with feeling a lot of jeopardy with them because they just seem like bumbling. They set it up that way. You know, in the beginning, if you start showing people that are amazed by water, the capability to create water, then you're going to make everybody go, I'm not really on board with this group, you know? And the wardrobe, the everything without those guys.

It's just off. But we do learn a little bit more about the Kazon. We learn that there are other groups as the Hobai, the Kazon Hobai, the Kazon Mastrol, the Kazon Rolora, and the Kazon Oglamar. So we have all these new groups that are introduced. We don't see them before this. Let's see. The Kazon Rolora Maj gets beamed into space.

Yeah, that was crazy, by the way. That cool act out when, you know, the Roloura. Loramage is there and they're trying to convince him to you know for them to work together and he's getting a little heated and Cessca's like you know what let's just take a break let's calm down let's think about this and you think that she's sort of giving up and then you cut back to our ship to Voyager and all of a sudden there's bodies floating in space you realize she didn't give up she executed these men she had an idea let's beam them into space and just get rid of them so

the Loramage and his companion floating in space yeah I like the reveal, though. I like the reveal, because it didn't just show up the close-up on the view screen. We see it from distance. So we're thinking, is that a shuttle? What is that? Are those rocks? Is that an asteroid?

And then close up, it's two dudes. It's just like. I wonder how they filmed that. They might have had to put them up on wires with a green screen to get those bodies floating. Like those seems like a quick, easy thing. But that's the kind of thing we'd do in second unit. We'd never shoot that in first unit because you'd have to get them wired up. and in front of a green screen and moving in the right way.

So, yeah. Yeah. They had really calm looks on their faces, though, for being dead in space. Like, if you were an actor, like, wouldn't you try to, like, put a little jeage on that? Would you be more like, like, would you do something with your face? Like, you just had drank prune juice? I don't know. Yeah.

That's a good one. Thanks. Yeah, I just made it. The one eye open? Now I'm making a really awkward smiley, faith. Yeah, I would have done that. It would have been funny if, like,

one of them had a horror face on, and the other one just had a really huge smile on this face. That just would have been weird. The horror face would have been the mage, because he's the leader. Yeah, and the companion. The companion, the lackey is the guy. He would have been, like, he's finally dead.

It's like, this guy's been abusing me for this entire time. Let's see. So we go to. sickbay. And I got to say Neelix is the one that is critical for us solving this, solving this, this dilemma. So we know that there's dead bodies. They've been executed. But Neelix is the one that sees the little wristband and says, wait a minute. That is a mage. That's a leader. And so they sort of are able, because of what Neelix knows, they're able to put together that there must have been some competition. SESCO used the technology to execute these guys. So I love that even though

Nelix didn't have a lot to do in this episode, that he was very critical in that moment to to help us understand what was going on. Yeah, not only is he the Kazon expert, he's also a bit of Sherlock Holmes in this episode. So that's nice to be able to see him help us out for sure. We also learn about a Kazon alcoholic drink that we see SESCA drinking. Yes. And it's called Enemy's Blood. I think that's the name of the next drink that you do next month for Enemy's blood, yes. Enemies blood. So can you come up with something that will look like enemies?

I will work on that. Remind me of that. I'm going to make a note. But yes, enemy's blood will have to come up with a good cocktail. In that scene when she's drinking, there's that whole back and forth between Chakotay and Suska, where she's like, it's like she loves him. She loves him not. It's like this. She's coming in.

She's trying to seduce him. She pulls back out. She comes back in again, she pulls back out. And it's just, it got a little soap operary, soap operary. Well, it definitely showed with CESCA either she's got really strong feelings, which I think is true. But the thing about Cessca is you never know whether she's playing you or not, particularly when it comes to like seducing or feelings because she does it with the Cazons. She does it.

Yeah, that scene was very melodramatic and kind of classic, I don't know, kind of classic. kind of classic femme fatale sort of you know the the dangerous woman um i want to jump back just before that there was a after chikote stole the the shuttle yeah um which is amazing they say how he did it by you know bypassing something but it's amazing that he was able to steal the shuttle get off the ship without anybody knowing um true and immediately you see tuvac and Janeway walk and talk down the hallway. They're heading into engineering. That is one of the fastest walk and talks I've ever seen. The steady cam must have been flying backwards or if they were rolling. I don't know how they did it. But what it reminded me of was David Livingston, do you remember

when he was directing, he'd do a ton of takes and often the only note he would give is, let's go faster, go faster, go faster. He wanted like pace. He always, that was his note. Like, let's do it again, just go a little faster, go a little faster. Hmm. And that was a scene for me that I realized, I bet they had done that a bunch of times. And David had said, walk a little faster, go a little faster. The whole scene plays really fast.

So just reminded me of a common note, David Livingston would give. And it was a smart note. It was a good note. Yeah. One thing about David's directing in that scene where Maj Kula is on his bridge, and he kind of the way the lighting was he kind of looked back and the light was just on his one eye do you remember that yeah and that was like oh my god i don't know if livingston planned that but it was perfect it was just like this is awesome you see the light on the one eye and everything else

is in shadow so yeah i enjoy that yeah um i did notice in the scene with boulana and janeway that boulana was really defending chakote you know and saying don't you know if he survives and if we get him back. Just no, she was defending him. She was really defending him hard. And to be quite honest, I think Chacote should, like, Tom Paris was thrown in the brig for, you know, 30 days for for not following orders and not doing what he was supposed to do. And I just, of course, I knew that Chacote was not going to get thrown in the brig and he was going to get off. And that was a scene to me that was like, yeah, he probably should be thrown in the brink. Like, this is a big deal, you know, risking, risking the way he did.

And anyway, so that was just a scene where I was like, preemptively going, nah, he should be thrown in the brig. I disagree with you. And it's not about my jealousy with Paloma. It's not about that. I think Janeway threw you, by the way, when did Janeway throw you in the brig for 30 days? When did that happen? I forget the episode.

I think it's called 30 days, but there's an episode. It's true. That's the name of the episode. I forget what season it was, but it was a good episode. It was a lot of, I think Les Landau directed. I remember having a really good time. Less was great. We'll get there at some point. When you say it's called 30 days, and now it makes me think of like, it's just you in the break for 30 days. Tom Paris brushes his teeth. Yeah. Tom Paris uses the washroom. It was a lot of like journaling and reflection. I remember really. enjoying the episode that's for another day that is really but don't get mad about her throwing you in the brig because just remember we found you as a penal colony person remember so jane way's thinking you know what he's used to it that's by the way when you just said penal colony did you think of wanted to act like a 12 year old and make a joke i know but i didn't you do you should just just be yourself come on no i'm not going to make jokes about the word penal colony you were going to say penis colony is what you're going to say i don't know

I don't, you know what? I'm not a 12 year old. I'm grown up. And I don't have to make penis jokes or butt-prack jokes all the time. I can rise above that. Please let your inner 12-year-old come out. I'm going to say, so Chakote gets on the, Chakotay gets on the, the Cajon ship,

and then he hands CESCA his phaser, and I'm just like, what? Yeah, what was that? I don't know. He was clearly, he was able to not, he was like, I'm not going to fight. That's not going to be the answer. I'm going to have to trick my way out of this. I think Chocote was actually saying, he was saying, you know, he was saying to Cuska,

Cicca, take this before Robbie breaks this phaser. Keep it for me. I just realized I was, I had not plugged in my, my computer that was getting very low on energy. Energy sources. The energy source of my computer was depleting. We must reroute the power variance to the warp core and modulate the anagrams until I get battery implosion. I don't know.

I don't do the technical babble good, but now my computer's power again. You missed my joke. You were distracted. I was just saying that the reason why he handed the phaser to Seska was he was saying, Suska, take this phaser before Robbie breaks it on set. I did miss it.

I was trying to get my power cord. You were focused on your power. All right. I'm glad that you saved you because you're the one recording this particular episode. Yes, I just saved. Not only did I save Star Trek Voyager many times, but I just saved the podcast. You saved the Delta Flyers podcast. Exactly.

You're such a hero. Oh, my God. Okay. We talked about, there's a moment in the interrogation scene, by the way, which I thought was really great, interrogating Chikot. where there was this low angle wide lens that you could see Cessca standing above Chacote and then and then Cullo leans in and the two faces Chocote and color in tight with it's a wide low angle lens and I remember you know I was shadowing that was sort of an eye

opener for me that kind of lensing and sci-fi David Livingston used the wide angle lenses a lot he was known for it as one of our directors most of the actor didn't like it correct boy I really liked that. I know you didn't, but I like that shot. And I think David Livingston could use it sometimes very, very well. I also want to commend Robert Beltron and his acting in that interrogation scene. Oh, yeah. It's really good. Very, very realistic, you know, and the makeup looked really good when he was, he had that big bruise on his eye there. It just all, it all came together well. It all came together. Yeah. And I thought when they drugged him and his sort of hallucination that when they

had his point of view and played that well too played it great and and that lens that they use uh i think it was called i think that's called the squishy lens it was a type of lens that david living so would use a lot of kind of trick toys and that lens that sort of makes everything move around weird uh it was either do you call it what did you call it squishy squishy lens um yeah could have been a squishy lens or a let yeah probably a squishy lens it could have been a lens called the mesmerizer that was very popular back in those days where things would sort of move around in an odd way but David would use those lenses and I and I I I use those lenses myself later on because of learning from about it from David Livingston so that is the

industry-wide terminology yes the brand was called squishy lens yes oh the brand was squishy okay can you spell that it's not like S-Q-U-I-S-H-Y is it squishy Yeah. Wow. Because if you moved it, it had some gel in the lens, and you could kind of move the lens and create that sort of weird distortion happening. Nice. Yeah. It was a very specific kind of lens to use. That retractable needle gag, those always give me when Seska put that needle in him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Even though I know it's just a trick needle, and it just always gives me the shivers. You cringed, didn't you? Yeah, I did. Um, this is a general, this is a general comment here. Um, in almost every episode where we are, uh, dueling with other ships.

Yeah. Um, there's always the evasive pattern and then it's, it's Delta Gamma 5. Yes. Yes. It's, it's in this show was Omega 2, whatever. So there's, there's the Greek alphabet letter followed by a numeral. Right. I mean, does anyone have a manual of? Yeah, yeah. I would like to know. What does it make it to? Someone's got somebody out there. Somebody has compiled this. Like reverse engineered all of these evasive patterns into a playbook.

Yes. It's kind of like a football play going, okay, exactly. Yes. And so that's what I would. Yeah, yeah. That's what I would like anybody out there who's listening. Please contact us if you have the playbook. That would be an interesting thing to actually, if somebody has done a little research,

to put that together and actually go to Paramount and try to publish a book of all the different Star Trek because it's not just Voyager that's done this. The franchise has done this. Yeah, we've been doing these terms for this tactical maneuvering forever since the dawn of time, right? So I'm curious. Yes, the military engagement playbook of Starfleet

and these are the different moves. That's an interesting concept for like a book. And I think the Delta Flyer, podcast can publish this book license from Paramount let's do it let's do it we should do do that let's make sure we create this I love and also when the when the pandemic is over I would like you and I when we're hanging out we're going to use that as code like if we're out in public and I don't want to say something to you I don't want anyone else to hear I'll say evasive pattern gamma four like that and you'll know and I'll just come yeah okay good I like

it smart very smart no one will know that we're trying when you do that when you say like of hey Robbie evasive pattern gamma four people will be like what that code has flummoxed me I don't know what he's saying and it'll be great I like the use of flummoxed yeah flumixed people would just be so confused it will be so flummoxed it we're almost near the end of this so big space battle big big space battle that That's exciting. And then one thing I did notice is I like the way that former Marquis, there was a lot of stuff in this episode about what people had learned about each other over time,

like in their past and how that affects their awareness now, you know. Balana talking about Chakote and he's a good guy and I know him from his past. Or Cesska saying, Chakote, I know how you would react here. There's a lot of those themes going on. But I did like the way that Starfleet and the Maquis use their experience and their knowledge to work together to solve this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so we can't beam Chakote because we temporarily beam him through at warp speed, but it doesn't quite work.

CESCA is able to kind of re-change the phase variance or something, and now we can't get him. which was a very clever idea. A daring, a daring rescue plan. Daring rescue plan. Let's beam him at warp. And then she says, they say, oh, that's not possible. And she goes, I've done it before when I was a machete. So stuff like that, I really love this. But they do, they do beam over some Kazon and Tuvok's got him at gunpoint.

And he says, here's the terms. You're going to return Chakote and the shuttle. and that'll get your freedom. And also how convenient is it that their weapons were also disabled by the transporters? Yeah, I've never heard the transporters doing that before. But I love it. But here's the biggest thing that I want to get to.

This is the whole. They're like, here's the terms. Give us Chukote, give us the shuttle. What two things did they leave? They didn't say give us the transporter technology. The, what did I call them before? I'm going to find it the quantum resonance

oscillator that they stole they didn't ask for that back and the biggest thing is they didn't say give us CESCA as a prisoner for our brig because Cessca is a danger to

she's betrayed Starfleet she's got all this why didn't they say give us CESCA and the quantum resonance oscillator two well they couldn't say that I'm speechless I'm

I'm I'm I can't even think of a word of what I am. I'm flummoxed as what I am. I don't think there was much room for negotiation. I think that literally they were stuck, their backs are up against the wall. It was like, listen, give us back to Cote in the shuttle

and then we'll let you go. That's it. Like, they couldn't really offer anything else. I don't know. I think they did it because they wanted more episodes with CESCA. That's why they did it. But she should have been in the britt. Like, you've got their leaders right there.

Yeah. You've got, I don't know. To me, that's a huge hole. But anyway, they left CESCA. They left the resonance oscillator. So I guess we don't care about all that stuff that started this. Well, the only thing matters is the very end of the show. The very end of the show, the soap opera moment is then you hear Cessca saying,

I extracted Cicote's DNA and now I've been pregnant. it inside of me. So now I have your baby just eating in my womb. Scary. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah.

He was very, he was very shocked by that. And and I think probably Balana was a little disappointed that, you know, Saska's going to be having Chakote's baby

and not her. You know, I think that made you happy though I think it did it did me I felt like the deal was sealed like Bala's not going to go there anymore like it's Cessca's Cessca has put the nail in the coffin of the Bala Chakote potential so for my theme I'm gonna say I was gonna ask yeah I would say trust your gut over what may be your better judgment which is what Janeway did okay because sometimes you know her head said her judge her mind said go ahead leave

Chacote but her gut was that's the smart thing yeah and I think that's one of the themes or one of the lessons here I get that that your gut really is working on in your behalf you know except when it comes to jealous issues obviously that's just not really your gut for being jealous of Bologna being jealous exactly by the way I just by this way I just want to say this is kind of a this is a joke like for those people out there I'm not actually I'm not actually like this is fun to do but I'm not actually do you need to make that disclaimer I don't know I feel like I might I feel like I might like people might think that yeah this is just disclaimer

everyone Robbie is truly not jealous of Chacote and no because Roxanne was married to Eric Dawson a good friend of mine like I know that she's not really Bala but it's just fun I had forgotten all of this stuff with Chacote and Balana early on. So I may continue to do it. We'll see. But it's a fun little runner we got going. So I'm going to... Is there anyone in the cast?

Is there anyone in the cast that you would call them by their character name? I was called... I would call Ethan Phillips. I'd always call him the Nelix. The Nelix. Okay. Oh, the Nelix.

And I'd ask him, yeah, I'd talk to him. But that was just funny. I wouldn't really mean it. I know he's not actually a metallaxia. I would always forget Tim Russ's real name. What? Did you? I don't know why.

He's the only person. Like, I knew your name was Robbie. I knew Bopacardo was Bob. I knew Beltran was Robert. But with Tim, many times I would forget. And I'd go, hey, Tuvac, come over here. I would call him by his character name on the set. because I didn't remember it.

I had some weird... I don't know what it is. Well, Tuvok and Tim are sort of the similar... Like, this show that I'm producing there... I produce this show called Resident Alien. We just finished. I think I mentioned it. But one of the actresses, her real name in real life, is Liz, Elizabeth, Liz Bowen, who I love Liz. I love her.

We go out to, you know, Rebecca and Liz and her boyfriend, Tim and I, we all go out to drinks and meals and fun stuff. So I know Liz really well. Her character name is live with a V. There you go. So I'm constantly going, live, Liz, zv, like I, it starts to come out as Liz, but it turns into live or vice versa. So, lives of that, lives, it's just too close. And Tim and Tuvok are a little, like a Tim, too, to, to, too, to, maybe, there's not.

Maybe, maybe. I have another, I have two parts to my theme. So for the first, my first part was the trust your gut over your better, better judgment. My second part is do not allow affairs of the heart to cloud your judgment, letting your emotions get the best of you because that's what sent Chacote on that solo mission because he was embarrassed because his ex-girlfriend was doing all this crazy stuff, you know, causing chaos. By the way, they had more than an affair of the heart because they had, they had a relationship.

They knew each other, they knew each other. They had tried it but decided not to keep it going. Like they had been dating, they had been a couple. They had done whatever couples do, all the things the couples do. Yes. Yes. So does that mean that she had all of her, everything of her genetics altered to be human? I would think so.

You know where I'm getting. I know. You know where I'm coming from. You would have to alter all of it. Yes. Yeah. Or he would have known. He would have known.

known with it first time, right? Yeah. My theme is kind of similar to yours. My theme I wrote down that your past can help you, but it can also hurt you and to know that it's got an upside and a downside. So similar to your, you know, affairs of the heart, cloud your judgment, like your past is going to give you lessons, good lessons that you can learn. And that's what all the characters did, you know, Balana did from her past, use the

warp speed transport idea. Saskia used her experience in the past. Chukote used his. But it can also hurt you. So, yeah. So similar. Yeah. Similar, right?

Good and bad lessons from your past. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Awesome. Well, that was fun. I really love that episode. For real?

I did. I did. I really did. I enjoyed the episode. I thought it was well directed. I thought the acting was good. It's just the very, end that I had a problem with like why didn't you get CESCA and the quantum

oscillator or whatever it's called it's not a resulator I think I took awesome resonance oscillator what you say quantum resulator it's a resonator isn't it quantum resonance oscillator yeah but I I you just mix it all up just call it a resonator a resonator a quesulator a quick Quesalator. Oh, boy. All right. Well, that was, like I said, except for that big hole at the end, everything about this episode, everything

else I really loved. Yeah. All right. Excellent. Well, thanks, guys, for tuning into our recap of maneuvers. What's next week? Oh, next week is resistance. Resistance.

Uh-huh. I like that. I like that name. I do, too. And I think I immediately, you set resistance. I immediately went. And, oh, I think I remember a couple things. So we'll talk about that next week.

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