The Delta Flyers - Memorial

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Memorial. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Memorial:Capt. Janeway worries about crew members who are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorders after they return from an exploration.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, Brannon Braga, & Bryan FullerAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Daniel de Rooy, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Adm. Bill "Seoulman" Yu, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Zachary Upton, Lori Tharpe, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Brandon May, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Jeremy Mcgraw, Jason Bonnett, Ali S, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Susan V. Gruner, Feroza Mehta, & Michael DismukeAnd our Producers:James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Chloe E, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Species 2571, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Craig M. Nakashian, Will Forg, Max Wilson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Jordan Marie Benko, Christian Koch, Lisa Gunn, Kath L, Wendy Weatherholtz, Lauren Rivers, & Shane PikeThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow Voyager actor, who also played the role of Eric in the 1985 TV movie, Ein Fencer in Manhattan, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, your favorite reverence and Garrett Wong. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a patron at patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers.

My, oh, my. Just to let you know, in 1985, I was graduating from high school. And so that became my freshman year at UCLA in 1985. And you were filming this TV movie. Einfenster in German. Of Deutsch means a window in Manhattan. A window in Manhattan?

I remember. I'm Fenster. I don't remember. That's so funny that you bring. That's such a long time ago. So I was in New York City. I had gone there to be a theater actor and then got into Juilliard and I was studying drama. It was my freshman year.

And we saw that they had a bulletin board in the student area. And there was an announcement for an audition for a German film. It was near the end of my freshman year. spring in my freshman year right and so a bunch of us went in from school you know my class some older classes you know seniors and everybody yeah i ended up getting this role and i was thrilled because i hadn't really uh i don't know if i had done much film acting very little right any anyway i got this role and it was it was a german little indie film art film it was a tiny little role, maybe one scene, I think.

I think it was just one scene where a young German man had come from Germany to New York City to find himself. And so it was, I think that movie was, I can't even remember. Wait, you played German then? You're playing a German citizen? No, I was playing an American. Oh, you're playing American. German actor come over. And most of the film was in

German. And the scene that I had with him, he was trying to find his self creatively and who he was and so I think a window in Manhattan was like a window into who his authenticity

of being an artist and being creative and being who he really was. But still for being a first year student much about it. For being a first year student at Juilliard

and you see this bulletin board posting and all of you guys pretty much everyone probably as a student they're thinking hey I don't have an agent I can go ahead

and audition for this is great. Yeah it was an open This is amazing, open call. Non-union, it wasn't in the union. Yeah. A lot of, it was very exciting for me. I got to do a, you know, a scene in an indie film in New York City. Most definitely.

Don't remember. So much of the script was in German, I didn't even know what it was about. Yeah. That's fine. But still, you must have been so excited when you booked. It was thinking that, hey, I'm the one that landed this role. None of y'all. It was me.

Woo-hoo. Yeah, that's summer. I got that role in the spring. And then in July, I got my. first TV job, which was the Twilight Zone for CBS. It was a reboot of the Twilight Zone. So that summer was after one year at Juilliard, I was like, wow, I feel like I've found myself as an actor in a way that I had never had that kind of success before. It's validation from the universe, right? You felt like, look, I'm booking. I'm still a student and I'm booking, which is a huge, huge deal.

Because at UCLA Theater Department, there is almost animosity towards anyone who booked anything in Hollywood while still being a student in the theater department. I don't know why that was the case, but there was that weirdness about, oh, oh, okay, you're out there auditioning already? I mean, there just seemed to be some anger from some students. I don't understand why. There was that same thing at Juilliard,

but because it was New York City in the 80s, there was not much filming in New York, very little. So people were auditioning for plays. That was the thing. Everyone was trying to get a theater job in New York City or some, you know, Shakespeare in the park in the summer, the New York Shakespeare Festival, or things like that. That was where everybody's focus was.

So this little German film was not in anybody's radar, really. People weren't auditioning for TV shows. So let us go watch this episode. Memorial is the name of this episode that we're going to go check out. And we will be right back with our recap and discussion of Memorial. For those of you who are Patreon patrons already, please stay tuned for your bonus material. Okay, dokey, we are back from watching Memorial. Yes, we are.

You know, this whole episode to me, it's like moments of levity, of cuteness, and funny lines, and then it goes straight down the pooper. I mean, it just gets so, so serious and hard-dore. This was not a lighthearted episode at all. But I have to say, I really enjoyed it. I really did. But there were some very light moments within the episode, some moments of comedy, some humor. Now and then, but very rare, much less than we normally have. This one was pretty intense.

Okay. I thought for me. Okay. Well, I'm going to point out all those moments as we go through. Okay, good. Good. I want to hear them. Let's start with our, uh, let's start with our haiku and numeric synopsies. And here we go with my haiku for Memorial. Long away mission. Crew have unexplained nightmares. Guilt can teach us all. Oh, wow. oh yeah that was very deep deep but it was difficult to do it was so difficult i wanted to talk about your tv and all that stuff but i couldn't even get i couldn't fit that in my way not a lot of real estate for no deep stuff it's not even a front lawn it's sort of like you know there's maybe a welcome mat that's about that's how much that's a hyacu but that's the whole point of it it's just very brief

it is do you remember when we started this podcast the synopsis that we would come up with where we'd try to explain it, just would go on for like five or ten minutes. It was like, we're like trying to. I remember I had you do one. You were doing it for a while and you would meander and meand. It would be the long, long, long synopsis for yourself and for me too, I guess. That's where the poetry came from. We were like, we got to do this quick.

Yeah, we have to somehow condense this. So basically the limerick is a condensing of the synopsis, but the haiku is even a further, further condense. dancing, right? So you're just down to the essence at that point. All right, don't make me wait any longer. Let me hear this wonderful limerick. Here we go with our limerick synopsis for Memorial. The Voyager Boy's mission was a success till memories of a battle caused them distress. Paris got a TV, but yelled at Balana meanly, it's really not fun having post-traumatic stress. nice

yeah there you go yeah and haunting at the same time I got the TV in there you did yeah you did you squeezed it in good job okay you're welcome all right let's talk about

let's talk about directors guest stars writers okay the whole yes let's do here we go so our writer was Robin Berger

did the teleplay and remember we couldn't remember Robin Berger when we talked recently about her but she was a very experienced writer i just don't remember her at all we we by the way none of the writers ever came to set except i remember brian fuller coming to set more than most and brandon every now and then i saw brandon and brandon every now and then i saw monoski every now and then for sure the one person i never saw was burman our grand pooh-bah i

And never saw him. No. You know. He came down for the 100th episode. He came down. Sometimes he'd pop into, very rarely, into the hair makeup trailer to approve something last minute, like an alien makeup or something.

But he wouldn't come onto set. No. Yeah. So a story by Brannon Braga. You got that right. You guessed Brandon. I guessed Joe. I said Joe Monoski.

You did. You did. So you got that right. And you also got the director right. Alan Craker, bang, a guess. You got a tofer on this one. Wow. Very good.

Yeah, I love Alan's work. It's so good. He's just a very talented man. I didn't realize how many low angle shots there were in this, in this episode. Oh, my gosh. And also oneers, these long, like, long ones in the briefing room. It's just like, what is happening?

Look at this choreography. It's amazing. And he really, really just, you know, he did a stand-up job on this one for sure. Yeah. Okay. Uh, guest stars. Guestars, we have a bunch of them this week. We have L.L. Ginter as Savdra.

Mm, Commander Savdra. Commander Savdra. His very first job was a TV movie called Rita Hayworth, the love goddess. In 1983, starring Linda Carter as Rita Hayworth in a TV film. What? Yes. Are you serious? And Linda Carter was-Wonder Woman was playing.

She was Rita Hayworth? Rita Hayworth in a TV movie called The Love Goddess. Oh, God, I want to watch this. I really want to watch this. And she was at the height of her, you know, fame and celebrity back then, 1983, for sure. Oh, I am a huge, huge Linda Carter fan. Yeah, she's awesome. I've always, oh, I've always done.

Well, he made his debut, his acting debut. With Linda. Yeah. We have Scarlet Palmer's, of course, is Naomi showing up. We have an actor named Fleming Brooks. playing Soldier One. This was his acting debut. This was his very first job.

Voyager. Yeah. And then his next job was Charmed the next year in 2000. But his big job in show business was as an assistant to the producer with Casey Silver, who was among all the films he produced. He was a big Hollywood, big budget feature producer. he also ran universal pictures for a while so he was the assistant to casey silver oh wow so he mostly did that i think acting was maybe uh he was toying with it but i think he

ended up going into that kind of executive world right behind scenes and things like that yeah okay we had joe melis as young soldier okay his his very first uh job was the lazarus man in 1980 86 with Robert Yurek. Okay. We had Susan Savage, or Susan Savage, playing the alien woman that you murdered, Susan Savage. And Harry murdered, yes, or Harry's Vision murdered. Okay.

Yes. Her debut was in 1987, Highway to Heaven, the TV series with Michael Landon. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, that was Susan Savage's debut. We have Maria Spassoff as the female, colonist. She was looking for a husband, I think. Yeah, she's talking to terrorists at that point, right? Yeah. Maria Spassoff and this was also her acting debut. The only other credit that she had on IMDB was a movie called Strangers Online in 2009. So she didn't do much acting. I'm not sure what else she

did, but this was her, I guess I would say, her biggest credit was that role. Okay. And, and, And we have two more. Robert Allen Calgizzi as the dying colonist. This is his only... You know who that is. That's the father or the uncle of the woman that Harry shot. Was that the... That was the older...

Yeah, the older gentleman. Well, this is his only credit. Yeah. Yes, that sounds about right. I thought he did good. He died good. And last but not least, I want to point out speaking acting role in this episode

was done by David Keith Anderson our long term stand in and I remember oh god I saw that and I was like he got a line he did because I don't remember he had a long close up too when he was feeling the PTSD

and Janeway comes over to him and it wasn't just a line I mean he had to be in a he had to be in a mood yeah he had to be had some a little bit of you know, tears in his eyes. I mean, he really, yeah, he did a good job. David was awesome. I was excited for him.

So good. Yeah. All right. That's our actors. Lots of guest stars again. We haven't, we've had this recently a couple of times with a lot of actors in the show. And it continues. Now, all right.

So we start the episode. We're looking into space and here comes the Delta Flyer. It does a cool fly by. I love the Delta Flyer out in space. That was awesome. We come inside and. and Harry's not happy. No, he's not happy,

but I wasn't happy with my line delivery either on that one. Because I think I should have said, you know, someone left the dirty plate and the replicator and then just wait for it. Give it a beat, just a healthy beat. And then Tom, but instead I went, someone left the dish in the replicator, Tom, I just threw it out there.

I kind of gave away. I liked it. I thought it was. You thought it was okay. You could see that the four of us are, getting a little stir crazy within two weeks on this away mission a two week away mission yes with the with a malfunctioning sonic shower so we haven't had a shower in a while yeah so yeah and by the way tom never admits that it was him so maybe it wasn't tom like you blame me but

maybe it was chocote maybe it was neelix i don't know but anyway they're getting on each other's nerves and your hair by the way your hair was really down down it wasn't kind of messed at all i liked it you like it like it like all right loosened carefree fancy free yes all right all right it was good you should keep that look neelix is also there chukote's there we've been on this two-week mission we're finally heading back and uh paris uh sees voyager up ahead he he uh calls calls them on the com he says 15 planets scanned in 14 days and we've got a cargo overflowing with dilithium ore which is what we need been a successful two-week mission and then we go into the hallway yeah and the doctor before the hallway there is a very cool exterior space shot of the delta flyer

kind of banking going in going into the shuttle bay yeah it was cool yeah and then we cut to the hall yeah the home there's the greeting the greeting party is there right the greeting party which is the doctor in balana um he's waiting you guys do a lot of smooching right there we do i was waiting for you to comment smoochy smoochie yeah a big welcome home kiss yeah there's a lot of elements going on on the scene and it just like a lot of movement but everything choreographed quite well though i must on my everything choreographed very well i must add yeah um yeah yeah we It was a lot of people. And I love when Bologna comes in.

And by the way, we've never seen Tom and Bologna this PDA. Like, he rushes into his arms like he's been away at, you know, on, you know, overseas at war or something for years. It's like, wow. In fact, I think he does say, I should go away more often. Like, this is great. Yeah. Harry's just annoyed. He just wants a, he wants a shower.

He wants his bed. And the doctor chimes in. saying that everyone must have a physical. This is away team protocols. And he says all crew members must submit to a physical if the mission lasts for more than two weeks, which is now my first point of contention, because it didn't last for more than two weeks. It lasted exactly two weeks. You see what I'm saying? So there's a little, I don't know. Well, that's why maybe we all refuse. Everybody splits up and heads off a different direction. And I just noticed that Bob Picardo was was very excited to give everyone physicals.

I was like, wow, I have never seen the doctor this excited for a basic routine physical. It was funny. It was funny to me. He was sort of left alone there with like a kid waiting to open his Christmas presents. And everybody just disappeared. And it's like, okay. See you. Oh, yeah.

We go to Tom and Bolana walking down the hallway towards his quarters. And they go inside. and she has a surprise for him. It is a television set. It's a television set from the 50s. Yeah, but you ask if it's a naughty surprise first. Remember that? Yeah.

It's a TV, a TV, a vintage TV from 1956. Yes. Yes. I love it. She said she replicated the parts, but she assembled it herself. Look at that. That it's put the love into it. She loves it.

She loves you. Tom's a little critical. He says, you know, this remote is not authentic. because they didn't have remotes for TVs in the 50s. And she says poetic license, which I love. Yes. And then he gives her a kiss, a big thank you kiss. It's very romantic.

They're starting to kiss. And then a cartoon comes on. And Tom is more excited about the cartoon than the kiss, which I thought was really sad. Poor Tom. Poor Tom. Did you notice the kiss was kind of on her. corner of her mouth a little bit. I think maybe

you were cheating towards camera. You guys was that possible? Yeah, maybe. I was like they're not like directly on like you were off to this a little bit further over on the corner of her mouth. So I thought maybe that was because you were on purpose trying to cheat towards camera to show more of your face. But who knows?

She was she was Balano was given Tom lots of kisses. He seemed more interested in the cartoon. She kept trying to give him kisses. He says, oh, you forgot one thing. She's like what? And he said beer. Beer. So she goes to get him a beer she comes back she's filling him in she's like climbing and hanging on him and i remembered this scene when when they got to that part yeah because i'm a little claustrophobic

oh were you feeling that way when she as a human being oh no and so even though tom's supposed to be watching a cartoon while she climbs all over yeah i remember filming it and feeling like oh my god i'm having an anxiety attack like roxan and i know that's what the scene is about but i'm just like I it's too much closeness so I do remember that I feel like I remember like sweat it like a little sweating because I'm like having an anxiety attack from claustrophobia oh no it was these romantic scenes on TV are not not always romantic no but also she hasn't draped herself over you like that in any other scene that you've filmed so far so no this scene was almost going to the nth degree in terms of your canoodling

and it was like oh my goodness she's all over you and I know it was for the story I totally get it yeah but I love how you're kind of ignoring her you played it well when you're looking at the TV right and she's joking with you she's like oh yeah you didn't miss much

the doctor gave a lecture on insects of the Delta Quadrant really boring until someone snored and then the warp core overloaded then the Borg invaded and we were all simulated and the whole time you're sitting there watching the television and I said to Megan, I said, God, Robbie looks like a little kid right there. And right when I said a little kid, she goes, with a beer. A little kid with a beer. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Overall, it was a good

scene. It didn't come off like you had anxiety over her draping yourself over you. Just claustropho. I just, I'm claustrophobic. I hear you. She, she ends up by saying, you know, maybe this was a bad idea. Right. And then we have a little time passing and she's fallen asleep. Yes. Tom is still watching this television show. It's like a gangster movie or something. It's like a gangster film or something. And by the way, all the things that are on the TV, it felt they were vintage like commercials,

cartoons, the gangster thing. And I remember as I was watching it, one of the reasons that they put in those vintage things is because they're cheap. Like they're almost free. Whereas if you were to put in a more modern television show or movie or something like that, You have to pay royalties.

It's much more expensive, but the old stuff didn't have that kind of thing. So all that old stuff was not only creatively right, but it was financially a smart move. Okay. So that commercial that they showed, the one where the lady, the jingle was mop, mop, don't stop. That mop, mop, don't stop, jingle commercial. How much do you think they would have paid for something like that? Probably not much at all.

Less than a grand, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Whereas if you, you know, get a clip from a, a famous more modern movie. It could be tens of thousands of dollars if you could even get it. Wow. Yeah.

Got you. Okay. But, yeah. So she's falling asleep. He's still watching this gangster show. And then suddenly it turns into like an alien battle. Yeah. A futuristic battle scene is what it is.

Futuristic battle scene. And he's like, that's weird. And he tries to change the channel. Like, you hit the remote. It's not working. Nope. By the way, in this shot, I did notice my orange background in my room. And I just have to say,

I pick that color with the art department. Orange is my favorite color. I'm holding up my phone. There's an orange case. I have a lot of orange in my life. I was happy to see the orange in there. Orange. You glad that you got to pick orange?

Yeah. Okay. Well, even you getting close to the set doesn't change the channel, doesn't do anything and still stuck on this. And then you actually see yourself in the battle scene, which is now really freaking you out. Your character gets shot and next thing you know, you fall back and you're kind of unconscious.

We then morph into the intro credit scene. But as we come back, you are shot in the arm, you're knocked out, and we basically have Balana waking you up. And she's like, well, maybe you need to watch something different. And Tom's like, nope, I'm going to turn it off.

But this is definitely strange. Like there's no explanation. how can this happen it's very twilight zone at this point yeah yeah he said i she said you were dreaming and even when tom like looks at the shot that he took in the arm he's confused because it felt so real yeah uh what he was a part of and uh yeah she says i'll i'll turn on those cartoons that'll that'll brighten you up and i'm like no no i've had enough tv no no more tv that's what tv does to you boys and girls. Be careful with the TV. It'll give you nightmares. You even say something about that in this scene or the prior scene. Too much TV or something. Yeah, which I thought was hilarious because

what are we doing? We're making a TV show, right? And in it, within the show, you're saying how TV's bad. Don't watch TV. Exactly. So at this point, at the end of this scene, instead of mop, mop, don't stop. Paris is going to say mop, please stop. You don't want to see anything else. That's right. Now, We have the Jeffrey's tube scene. Harry is working on a section of the Jeffries tube. Either he's running a diagnostic, whatever he's doing. But he starts getting dizzy. He starts, he's crawling too.

He's crawling, which is going to be important in his vision. Yes. Yes, it's a foreshadowing, right. So he's crawling through and he's feeling kind of weird. He gets to scanning the thing, the section. Here's some noises. Doesn't he hear some noises? Battle sounds.

And his vision starts to distort, but he does see the end of the Jeffries tube where the, you know, the exit is. And that's when he starts crawling even more. And as he gets to the outside of the Jeffries tube, he kind of falls up against the bulkhead and he's just sweating profusely. And he's gone through some crazy, crazy experience. Yeah, he has no idea. Kind of like when Balana was crawling all over me and draping me, Harry is having his claustrophobia of panic. We're like Corsican twins. Whatever you feel, I feel is the same thing.

So now we're in sick bay and the doctor is examining Harry and the doc thinks it's a plain old anxiety attack. And Harry says that he's never been claustrophobic before. And I made a note that that's funny because I in real life am similar to you and that I also am claustrophobic as well, very much so. And the doc says that the reason is you're just overworked. And I recommend you to take the next two days off. Harry protests, but in the long run, he does comply with the doctor's recommendations. Still not knowing what caused this anxiety and this stress and hearing these sounds and noises. Now, we do jump to Mess Hall where we have a very jumpy Nelix.

Yes, very agitated. He's chopping vegetables back in the kitchen. The water kettle hisses. He turns around with a knife. He holds the knife up. Just like, what? Okay, I just want to insert a question here. This is a Rebecca question.

So while we were watching the episode, she had me pause. She says, wait a minute. Has Neelix been cooking for the entire ship all these years by himself? She goes, doesn't he have like an assistant? There's 160 people or more on the ship. And he seems to be cutting off vegetables. Shouldn't he have help? And I was like, well, there's like,

like a sous chef and like all these other people yeah someone it's a good point like neelix has i've never seen anybody helping him cook he's all always by himself that's a lot of people like if i try to make a dinner for a dinner party you know or anybody you try to make a dinner for a dozen people that's a lot of work yeah there's 160 170 people that ship what anyway good point it's a great point and now that i Now that that question has put everything into perspective for me, I'm going to say that Nelix is the MVP of Vulture, providing 150 meals per, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

So that's seven years, he does that. That's a lot. 450 meals a day for seven years by himself, yes. That's not fair. Poor Nelix. No wonder if he's agitated at this scene. Yeah, he's very agitated. I wonder he's pissed off.

He wasn't the memorial. It was that he's been cooking by himself. He only shows up. Even her arrival makes him jump. And she has been assigned a special project by 7 of 9. 7 of 9 has given her this project to build a tetragon. But she has to use everyday things and not a replicator. So she is asking for Neelix's help.

and she wants to use vegetables from the hydroponic garden I guess and he says he doesn't have time because he has a lot of work to do so Naomi says oh well maybe I can help you and as she walks into the kitchen and she grabs a hold of a pot lid handle and she burns her hand very quickly and she's like ouch and immediately but she just touches it she's like barely yeah like it was hot yeah and even she says I'm fine I'm fine and he freaks out exactly what I wrote yeah he says

say get down stay behind me and it's like what are you doing you know no one gets to the sick yeah and then and then he he sees some crewman uh enter the mess hall and he that's when he goes duck jump down get down he's got his knife out still he's like freaking out yes yeah yeah it's very very disturbing yeah it's really it just yeah it was very much just the way this was shot and how it developed it was like a horror movie really this whole thing right um the next we have a we actually have a battle scene and the chaos and the craziness is happening and it turns out that this is chakotay's dream he's dreaming it and it's so real the only thing that shakes him out of this dream is that um tuvok hails chak which wakes him from his nightmare so we

have a shot of chokote in his bed in his quarters kind of waking up very quickly hearing tuvok tell him that there's a security breach in the mess hall which of course is neelix's crazy um situation happening and we head back to mess hall and neelix is still experiencing his hallucination of battle he's holding Naomi tightly against him he's now holding her like a hostage like a hostage exactly and she's she's really concerned two vox there neelix is firing his phaser oh yeah he doesn't have the knife anymore he's got the phaser out he's got a phaser he's firing a phaser um chokote comes in orders him to release Naomi. And then Neelik says something like,

not until Sovdra calls off his attack. Right. Was like, wait, what? Yes, yes. Clearly. So now we're getting names of people in these memories and these dreams. Sovdra, the first time we've heard of Sovdha. Unfamiliar names.

We have no clue about. Tuvok's strategy that he tells to Chikote is that let's come up with some type of distraction. There's a back door. We can sort of, you know, overpower him. Choday doesn't want to have any bit of that. He's like, no, no, no, I've got a different plan. I'm going to try something else. Yeah. So he pulls upon his dream and he says

Sovdra has called a ceasefire. The battle is over. Well, how come I still hear weapons fire? Oh, just random soldiers celebrating. That's it, you know? And that does the trick. That actually releases Naomi. But what I found was interesting is as soon as he releases Naomi,

they go over and help Naomi. He's still got, Neelik still has the phaser. He does. Like pointed in their direction. And they approach completely defenseless. And I was like, Tuvok would not let this happen. Like, you've got somebody who's acted crazy with a weapon pointed at you still. Right.

I don't know. It seemed like a very quick wrap up to this hostage situation. And then the next thing that happens is Nielix drops his phaser, runs over to Chukotay's arms. He, like, collapses in Chukotay's arms. And they sort of exit Chukotay holding Nelix. Yeah. Like the two... He doesn't drop the phaser.

He hands... Chocote takes it from his hand. He hands it to another security guy. And yeah, that's what happens. And then Nielix just... He's just exhausted from this. Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. All right. So now we're in sick bay and the doctor has given Nelix a sedative. He tells Janeway and Chiquet that Nelix has been suffering from a form of post-traumatic stress syndrome. Chikote says that he dreamed of fighting in... an alien war and the same war that Melix seems to be reliving. The doctor mentions that Harry had come in earlier dealing with an anxiety attack, and Janeway then starts to ask if they ran

into any trouble during the away mission. Chikote says, no, that didn't happen. And the doctor says that Chakotay's engrammatic activities contradict that. His memories are real memories. They're not dreams or hallucinations. They're real. And Jainway says to Chukotie that maybe he was abducted and manipulated into fighting. And Jamie says that we have to retrace the mission, all the steps that the mission took and where they went, who they interacted with. She asked the sensor logs or the sales to flyers. She asked the doctor to revive Neelix.

And she says that each of you seems to hold a piece of the puzzle. Let's see if we can start putting them together. Speaking of putting them together. So Alan Craker shot this entire scene in a oneer. that was a oneer yes and i was like holy holy yeah like coming up off of neelix into the doctor and then janeway and then moving around and it was one shot yeah beautifully staged beautifully shot it had lots of different feeling moments in it it wasn't a static shot it was very active and i was just thinking like allen had a had a an instinct for these kinds of shots but he couldn't

have done it unless all of us were willing to play like you know what i mean like i agree he could not have marvin and alan always got excited about these sort of oneers with movement but i really want to give some credit to our cast too like looking in that scene you know if kate had not made the move she made if if bob had not moved the way that he moved around the the biobed yeah the shot would have fallen apart you would have had to have done coverage right you know close ups and things to make it work So our cast, I thought, was really good at that playing with Alan in making his ideas come to life and making them work in these one or shots. He does it a lot in this episode, by the way.

We go to the briefing room next. Chakote, Paris, Kim, and Neelix are there. They are discussing their memories with Janeway, the doctor's there. They each are recalling different parts of, they're starting to put their memories together and piece together the missing parts for each other. Yeah. In fact, at one point, Neelix even says, The Nekha, the Nakanna, and then Harry goes, the Nekon.

And I thought, oh, it was a warp particles moment. I thought you and Nelix could have had a word. You could have gone, the Nekan together. We could have. That would have been great. That was our war particles moment. It was. It was.

It's just interesting because this whole scene and then the subsequent scenes, because we jump back and forth between the battle, the real life battle, and then the briefing room, back to the battle, back to the battle. back to the briefing room. And every time we jump to the briefing room, these lines, just how they're just flowing out, it just, it was very theatrical to me. It was very much like a stage play for me at this point. You know, it wasn't, I loved it. I loved it though. I did. I did. But it wasn't our standard fair. Do you agree with me? I mean, typically when we're in the briefing room, it doesn't, the energy and the movement and everything and the way the lines are, it's not like this.

It's not like this episode. It's definitely very different. Yeah. And very cool, though. Yeah, we learned that they were called the Nikan, that we had all volunteered for this military assignment to evacuate a civilian population. We recall that Savdra was the commander of this unit in this scene. Yeah, I just, I thought this was, everybody was adding, you know, I think what you're talking about is that we were all piecing together different parts and kind of reminding each other of these buried memories. And so it really had a team effort kind of feel to it in a way that it doesn't always. It did. And what's interesting is that I feel like we were each remembering a memory of a different soldier. Yeah.

That's correct. You know, because I know later I'm jumping the gun, but they're that the memorial has been there for hundreds of years. So it's sort of like, you know, losing its power. But I felt like, is that what it is? Like it just assigns you one random soldier? or do you play the roles of every single soldier throughout your experience of listening to this?

But at least in this early parts of this episode, it seems like everyone is a specific soldier because there's even in these scenes in the briefing room, there's, you know, somebody will say like, well, it wasn't our fault. And someone else will say, well, it definitely was. It doesn't, you know, that doesn't justify murder. So there's a lot of this going back and forth

where there's arguing amongst the soldiers themselves, it seems like, right? Yeah. Did you get that as well? Yeah, totally. Okay. Yeah, I felt like each of us had a different, a different version of guilt or trauma. You know, each of us had a different version. Yeah.

But we do out of this briefing room scene flash back to the battle again, Sovdra is giving orders to round up all the civilians and relocate them. And he says at this point, this is before the battle began. Right. We're in the command post at this point. Yes. We're inside a tent. Exactly.

And he says he doesn't want any casualties on either side. So it sounds legit right now. I love Neelix at the end when softer finishes. Nelix is like, aye, sir. It's a very, it's like it doesn't sound like Ethan Phillips or Neelix.

It's like very military. I love that. It is. It is. So we go back out of that moment in back to the briefing room. Yep. We're still talking them through, talking Janeway and the doctor.

through the events that happened and we tell them that we're rounding up that we rounded up the khan got them all got all of them ready for transport right ready for transport until we got to the last enclosure and we realized there were 24 unaccounted for it yeah it was an empty enclosure empty enclosure and and we say you know we should have known something was wrong then hey garrett have you been traveling this summer oh my gosh so much already i don't always travel but this summer's been insane trip after trip you've been doing your impersonation of me yes you know what doesn't belong in everyone's epic summer plans though what getting burned by your old wireless bill so while you're planning your beach trips and your barbecues and your three day weekends your wireless bill should be

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a month. Limited time new customer offer for first three months only. Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details. And so this scene in the briefing room again is a oneer, this long one shot that's all connected. And then when you go to the battle or the tent or all those things, it's all chaos and handheld. I think that was very intentional by Alan to create these different visual styles between the remembering part that was all fluid and one long shot and then the jumpy chaotic battle. So again, I thought Alan did a great job. It sure worked. It definitely worked. So we're in the enclosure now again. And Chocote calls in the base, the colonists are ready for transport. One female colonist comes up to Paris's character

and says that her husband's missing. He tells her not to worry and that she'll be. on one of the transport and all of a sudden we hear weapons fire and they immediately think they're under attack and all hell this is where the battle begins in the memory we go back to the briefing room another oneer Paris says that it was the missing colonists the 24 colonists that were unaccounted for they fired the first shots yep Chacote argues that you can't know that for sure it could have been one of our own soldiers fatigue phaser malfunction it could be anything and Neelich says well you know what either way it doesn't justify what we did. Janeway grabs Neelix and says, what did you do? What happened down there? And

then we go back to the battle. It's intercutting back and forth between us telling the story and seeing it. We're back in the battle. There's shots fired everywhere. People start running and this is when you see, yeah, it's a massacre. But this is when the massacre begins. This is when you start seeing colonists getting shot. Did you notice that one of the background actors that is featured shooting at the colonists is actually our hair depart. personnel Charlotte's son. Oh, yes, I remember him. Yes.

I forgot he was in kid. Yeah, I forgot he was in this episode. He was in the Fairhaven stuff with us. He was, he's been a board before. And in this episode, he's one of the soldiers. Charlotte, who worked a lot on Jerry Ryan's hair. It was her son, her adult son that was in this episode as a background character. We go back to the briefing room and Harry is very emotional.

Oh, my goodness. He's really emotional. at this point. He's reliving it vividly. Vividly. He said we didn't have a choice. He said that I ran. I ran. I had to get out of there. And as he's describing this and reliving it, we go back to the caves. There's Harry crawling through a tight, very tight-squeez cave.

He gets into this opening. Before you continue with the opening, I just want to say that in the prior scene, the prior briefing scene, Neelix does say that he tried to protect the children, but he couldn't stop them. So that now kind of refers back to the scene with Naomi, like he's holding her so closely. That's right. All right.

Anyway, go ahead. Anyway, so, yeah, when Harry, we cut to his memory, Harry's crawling through this tight cave,

and then he finds an opening, and there's this camp setup, it looks like. There's, you know, a kettle, a hot kettle. So Harry touches the kettle.

It's warm. He knows that someone's around. Eventually, he goes, over to these big boxes that are stacked up and he hears a noise though he hears a noise knocks the boxes over and reveals a man a man a woman and an older man they're hiding behind those containers yeah hiding behind the containers uh harry says how do i get out of here yeah well that's all he wants he says look i'm gonna

leave you alone am i going to do anything just just tell me how to get out of this maze that you've that that and i love how she's like she's like just go back from where you came from And I thought that was all that she was going to say. But then she added more instructions when I thought that's pretty funny. But I do remember crawling through that, it was just, I kept thinking about all the cats that were on that stage. Oh, yeah, there were a lot of wild, feral cats that lived. Yes.

And I kept thinking, I don't know if I'm going to get some type of, you know, I could be poisoned from just crawling through this. It was not the most sanitary environment because the cave set had a lot of dirt on the floor constantly. And the cats would go pee in the set. Peep, poop, whatever they're going to do. Yeah. Yeah. And we discovered those things very often, quite often.

Right. And I had to do it twice. I had to do it as the soldier in the memory. And then later in the episode, I had again crawl through that muck. But there's the crawling back to the Jeffrey's tube. sort of echoes that trigger for him. But anyway, she doesn't trust Harry at first, but she ultimately tells him how to get out.

She gives him the escape. Yeah. And then he's, it's like, well, he's walking. He's walking away, but he sees the man reach for something or moves. He stumbles forward is what it is. Oh, is that what it is? And the minute he makes that stumble, it looks like a quick move to grab a weapon.

So that's when Harry comes back and takes them both out. He panics. He panics. He shoots the guy. he shits them in cold blood basically freaks out yeah and then we cut back to the briefing room and harry is is uh also yelling freaking out he was going to kill me why they wouldn't listen why wouldn't they listen and then tom comes over to easy harry and kind of helps calm harry down the doctor also is there uh but i you know i was watching that and i thought that wasn't enough

I felt like I could have gotten more here. I felt like I, maybe I could have more flailing of my arms and just, yeah, I felt like it was, no, if you're okay with it, that's fine. I felt it was subdued. I think, I think everybody really let loose from Janeway to Chacote, to Nielix, to you. And to you too, later. Yeah, later on. Let it go. Loses it.

Okay. So you had no issue with the level that I hit there. You didn't think it was too subdued. No, I didn't. I didn't. I thought it was great. Chacote says in the scene that ultimately 82 civilians were killed. No one was left alive.

None of these colonists. Colonists that we were supposed to evacuate. None of them survive. All right. So next we have an exterior space shot of Voyager traveling through space. There is a captain's log supplemental. We have now entered the system where the away team conducted its recent survey, hoping to find an explanation for the.

their memories of the Nekon massacre. Now we're in Paris's quarters. Paris is sleeping. It's a tight shot profile of him in the foreground there, but very agitated, not sleeping. He's trying to rest, I guess. He's just, but his mind is racing. Balana comes in.

She says, I missed you breakfast. And she says that she downloaded more episodes of the untouchables for him to watch. Yes. I love when she says, this is the one where they capture Al-K. I was like, oh, Roxanne nailed it. Yeah, but this, again, this is the lightness, the levity that I was talking about,

these little tiny, funny, cute moments. Al Capone was the cuteness right there and then right out the window. Yeah, Paris corrects her. It's Al Capone. Yeah. A very funny moment. I love that Roxanne got some punchlines because she doesn't normally get the comedy in the show. And so I love that they handed her some jokes.

But he says he wants to be alone. He doesn't want to be comforted. He's super, super guilty. You know, she says maybe his memory was tampered with, and he defends it. He says, I know what I remember. I know what happened. And she says, we haven't even analyzed the sensor logs. He can't think of sensor logs.

He says, my big takeaway in the scene is Paris freaks the heck out, like big time. I don't know if I ever yelled so loudly in the series. No, you haven't. And I wrote that down. I said, this is the loudest that Paris has ever yelled. The other loud yelling time was in the episode, Alice. But on a scale from 1 to 10, your yelling on Alice was about an 8 or 9. Your yelling on here was 12.

It was off the scale. It was off the scale. Lots of yelling. Oh, my God. I mean, as I watched it, I love seeing Paris get out of pattern. that he's often in and as an actor I felt like it was all authentic and motivated it was big but it was it was fun to you know my memory as I watched the scene was that was an intense scene but it was fun to do yeah I enjoyed the process of playing out that scene yeah you got

you got to act you got to act you had a full range of emotions and and also anyone watching this scene between you and Torres who cannot relate to this scene where I think everyone has had an interaction with the loved one or a family member where they're just trying to help. And what do they get back in return? A bunch of screaming and yelling and just, you know, it's such a resonating scene for me. And I'm sure other people have experienced things like this too. But again, you're right.

This is the loudest Paris has ever, ever been. I hope your vocal cords were okay after that. I think they were. I think it was okay. All right. We go to astromestrics next. Yeah. And Seven is reviewing all the away mission logs, sensor logs.

And here we go, right off the bat, there is a little bit of a flirtiness between Chacote and Janeway. Oh, my gosh. Did you see that? Of course. I mean, it's very clear. And again, this is, this furthers my theory of this whole episode is filled with cute little moments and little fun, funny moments. And this one's a cute, romantic, flirty moment for all the J.C. shippers out there. And then it just all goes to crap right after it, right afterwards.

because they're joking about the fact that, you know, there's a certain merchant that they came across, you know, and Jamie goes, oh, quite photogenic, isn't he? Yes, very photogenic, ha-ha, sarcastic. And then he had a formula that would stop them from aging and he was like, you didn't happen to buy any of it. Touching him and smiling. Well, you know, it turned out to be this type of compound. It would have been good for shoe polish, but that's about it.

So there's a little lightness and flirtiness. And then seven shows an image of the second stop they had on the away mission, which is this kind of off greenish color planet. And immediately, Kate's face goes from light, happy, effervescent to dark. It just like, it just changes in a split second. And she immediately recognizes this planet and immediately goes into a reliving a memory of one of the soldiers. And she says this is Tarakas, which is interesting because it's. pronounced different ways in this episode. Jane Way says Taracas.

Later, Paris, when we actually come upon the planet, and we see it on the view screen, says Taracas. So you have Taracas. She has Taracas. So it's tomato and tomato in this scene. And, you know, she is now feeling everything that's going on. She's having the kind of memory, the living memory, the dream like we had.

Right. She's now in battle. It flashes to her in the middle of battle. Chikote is there. She hears shots. She runs. over and she finds a soldier vaporizing one of the dead colonists. Yeah, they're in a ditch. They're about, yeah, one by one, right? They've all been laid out. And she's

laid out. The dead bodies, they're vaporizing them. She tries to stop it. She's yelling like Paris was. And she got so mad. She's like, you can't do this. We can just tell the command, command what happened here. They'll understand that it was a mistake that we lost it. And they were like, nope, nope, we're covering this up. So it says, we weren't even here. yeah we didn't even see them they didn't see them yeah just yeah we disabled their shield generators entered the colony and nobody was there stick to the story exactly so they're covering the whole thing up vaporizing the bodies and then uh we cut to mess hall and janeway jumps up awake from her hallucination yeah the doctor's there two vox there she asked how long she's been out the doctor says

three hours and mess hall's now no longer mess hall this is overflow for sick bay. And Tuvok tells our captain, the whole crew has been affected. So everybody is experiencing these same hallucinations, these nightmares, these horrible scenes of battle and death. I have a question. Yeah. This is a logic question. When we went on our two week away mission, as we returned, we were fine. We've been to that planet on day two because when seven's going through, they started here, they went there, and then the next day they were at this planet. So day, we were at the planet, 12 more days go by, we don't have any symptoms.

But yet they get anywhere near this planet and the whole ship starts immediately, like literally, Janeway just looks at a picture of the planet and she has the symptoms. Something's a little not consistent. I got you covered. Why did it take us 12 days?

I got you covered. Okay. So that beacon, that memorial, images for people to relive it's 300 years old okay so and we already know at the end it's faulty it's kind of malfunctioning we have to repair it and so basically whatever transmission it's sent to us was very weak it took 14 days for it to manifest but then when we got closer it had a surge yeah and some some short something happened right and then it became much more yeah explanation

I was like why is this happening so fast I'm going to be the debunker for you on this podcast. I'm going to debunk everything. So that's going to be my explanation for that, which is possible, right? I mean, you could buy that. Yeah. Okay. So the mess hall is filled with the crew members that are having this PTSD.

And the doctor says, we need to get out of here. He says we should reverse course. We should reverse course. Leave this area. Hopefully everyone will be better. Janeway says, we need to know if we were really part of this. to say if this was real or if this is just an implanted memory. She needs to know.

So she says set a course for Taracas. And then at the end of the scene, the doctor gives her a neural suppressant to try to subdue these memories. Oh, and also we also see David with his lines too. We see David there with the ensign. I don't think he gets a name other than Ensign, right? She's like, Ensign, I've seen you.

look better than this and we'll get through this. He's like, yes, ma'am. So he's, he had a nice, nice little moment there and good screen time for David. And I'm so proud of him and happy that he got that chance. Because a lot of times I don't remember anyone from background getting lines, but here we go. No, very rare. Right now. Yep. We do stay in the mess hall. We see seven bring the elix a snack. It's one of his favorites, Tlaxi and Stu and Terenut souffle. And Seven says, when Naomi is sad that she consumes desserts, maybe you should try that. It's like, another funny line. There are funny moments.

Am I right? See, everything starts like ha ha ha, ha, and then goes, blah, blah, right? Neelix feels really guilty about Naomi, that he, you know, traumatized her. He asked seven when she was aboard that she assimilated millions of people. Does she feel shame from this? Right. And she says that, yes, she feels remorse, but her remorse helps her not repeat what she did before. prevents her from repeating it and that to me was like oh that makes a lot of sense she even says

about shame or remorse that it can be difficult but also very useful and neelick says yes it certainly is difficult and then he looks over at that taranut suflay and he goes is that chocolate and she says yes i improvised she altered it or something and he reaches over and takes a bite of the taranette suflay which by the way he's wearing dentures you know those are faith to laxian teeth. So I was thinking about even eating the food and going, oh, that must have been just messy in his mouth because he's got dentures and some kind of food. They probably, yeah, they probably would have had to take those dentures out and clean them, you know, brush them good, get all the gunk off of there. Take two. Yeah, and do it again. So yeah. Yeah. So it's just one little quick talk

with seven and he's, he's a little bit more of himself, you know, he's able to notice that there's chocolate and souffle. And now we have an exterior space shot of Voyager approaching Taracas or Taracus, however you want to pronounce it. And now we're on the bridge. Yeah, they're approaching the planet. They scan for vessels. There's no sign of vessels. She says, take us into orbit. And Paris goes, ma'am. Now he says, ma'am. Ma'am? Didn't say yes, ma'am. He said, ma'am. Yeah, that's where something's up. Yeah. And she goes, do it. She's got her angry voice. But it would take away that TV from you, Mr. Paris. Yeah, so Voyager goes into orbit.

We have a planet shot, very pretty planet. It looks green. It looks very lush, unlike the battle look that it had, which was pretty scary. Yeah. The bridge says no life signs, no weapons residue, no snow, you know, evidence of this battle happening here. Harry looks at the sensors. By the way, when you're looking at the sensors, the shot was from the side. You were leaning way over, like much more.

more than I normally. Do you remember if Alan said, like, can you play that lower or lean into it? I don't know. For some reason, I was like, well, that's a little different than usual. Yeah, I think he did. I think he did make that direction. He was like, just going to, just for the shot, do you mind, you know, doing something a little awkward? And, you know, we all love Alan Cricker. So we will do awkward things. Yeah. I'll twist my body the wrong angle degree and. Yeah, it looked a little. Yeah, it looked a little dirt. You weren't standing up the normal. Yeah, good catch, Robbie. But you do find a power signature on the planet.

You locate it. You find this power signature, so there must be something down there. Northern continent, I think, this planet. We go to the hallway now, and there's an Ocean's 11 shot. It's like the heroes walking. It should have been in slow motion. It should have been. Come around the corner.

All heroic, pulling the weapons out. We're ready for battle. Oh, my gosh. Get onto the transporter pad. Yeah. Checking the weapons. Januously says, Faser rifles.

Phasers. Everybody checks their phasers. We're pretty cool. We're pretty bad ass. I hit a button on top of my phaser iPhone. I know. They added the sound in post. Like that.

Yeah. Just powering up. Yeah, that was a pretty cool shot right there. I agree. We beamed down to the planet. It's a very lush, beautiful green planet. Yeah. I remembered filming this stuff.

When I saw this, we were out at the Disney Ranch. Yeah. We shot out at the Disney Ranch, which is out near Santa Clarita, maybe, or somewhere out in that direction. Right. My very first TV, you know, broadcast TV show was the Twilight Zone in around 1984 or something. And you filmed it there? We filmed it there.

Oh, my gosh. We filmed at the Disney Ranch. It's like a homecoming for you. In fact, when we were filming at the Disney Ranch, Twilight Zone was premiering that year. We're filming our episode. Another show called Amazing Stories. I remember that. similar show.

Steven Spielberg was producing that show. Yes. They were filming on the Disney Ranch that day, and Clint Eastwood was directing that episode. Oh, wow. The TV episode of Amazing Stories. And I remember they wrapped me a little early for lunch, and this was before cell phones. Yeah. There was one pay phone on the Disney Ranch lot.

Oh, my God. And so the driver took me back towards base camp to the trailers, and I went to the payphone to call my, my girlfriend back in New York City where I lived. and uh what yeah i went to the pay phone oh this is at sorry you were talking about when you were filming okay i thought i was like your girlfriend what okay got you when i was 1984 yeah i'm i'm living in new york yeah going to school i'm still at juliar this is before you got right but i come out yeah come out to do this twilight zone episode first time in california i'm filming on the disney ranch yeah amazing stories

there. Clint Eastwood. It's a very Hollywood feeling. Yeah. To me, I was, I was overwhelmed. So I go back to use my calling card. Remember, you used to have to punch in like 1-800 and then you had to put in your code and then the number you want to die. It was like all these numbers you put in. Yeah. Use my long-distance card to call from the one pay phone. Yeah. And I'm talking for a while, filling her in and how exciting. And I notice a line starting to run behind me for the one pay phone. And I'm like, oh, honey, I should I got to go. I got to let people, you know, I think we're broken for lunch. I got to let people.

And I hang up. I turn around. And it wasn't our crew. It was the amazing stories crew. Oh, God. And Stephen Spielberg was standing in at the front of the line. Waiting to use the phone. Waiting to use the pay phone at that same location where we filmed this episode.

That was. And I turned around. I had the hat on. He was kind of short. And I was like, oh, my God. It's Steven Spielberg. Because they broke for lunch. And it was their crew.

And since he was Stephen Spielberg, he was up front, waiting for the pay phone because that's what you did. Oh, my God. I thought you were going to tell me that it was Clint Eastwood. No. And then he was waiting. And then you didn't want to give up the phone. And he was like, you're feeling lucky today, punk.

And he was getting all like a dirty hairy on you. But no, it was definitely. It was like, thank you very much. Thank you. And because he must have heard me say, oh, there's a line, you know. Yeah. And it's, well, I'm glad that you brought up the location because I was going to ask you, if that was Griffith Park.

But it's not Griffith Park. It was definitely Disney Ranch. Yeah. Okay. Now, there is a, you know, at conventions, we bring various photos to sign. And there's a photo that I have of you and me holding our phaser rifles up in the air and smiling like a funny smile with the same background actor that loads onto the transporter pad with us.

Yeah. So it's the you and I and the background actor holding our guns up and we're like, our phaser rifles. and we're like making this funny face. And for the longest time, I was like, gosh, I wonder what episode this is from. And now I know. It's from a more. You know, because we did some.

Yeah, because, you know, we always have a set photographer that would show up for one to three days of our seven day filming schedule. And that day when we went to the Disney, what's it called again? The Disney Ranch. It's the Disney Ranch film studio.

On that day, when we went to Disney Ranch, the set photographer did join us on that day. And I asked him if it's okay, if we posed a funny photo. And I grabbed you, I go, Robbie, Robbie, and I grabbed the background guy. And I said, hey, let's all take our phasers and tilt them the same angle

and have a funny laugh on our face, a look on our face. And he took that photo. That was the episode. Yeah, that was the one from that episode. That's funny. Okay. Yeah, it was a beautiful planet.

Great location, Disney Ranch. Janeway says, search the area. We're kind of going through. Harry's kind of leading this part of it. He's leading the way. He remembers where the tunnel. he remembers the tunnel so he's trying to find his way towards the tunnel janeway and chakote are scanning january detects a faint signature so they go off on their own we go back to harry's group we do find

the tunnel entrance paris says tuvac there's your physical evidence because tuvok's been skeptical so i had your back on this i'm like harry proved it so i thought that was thank you for my back Do you also remember how heavy those phaser rifles were? They were pretty heavy. Like they were not made of balsa wood. They were made of like the hardest wood known to mankind, that most dense heavy wood that they could possibly find. And I remember taking off my wardrobe at the end of that day.

And there was an indentation of where the strap was on my skin. And I was like, that's not even funny. I was like, you guys can't find some type of fiberglass to make this out of. And instead of this very weighty sort of. Yeah. Yeah, so heavy. And I was shocked to see that I had that, you know, strap indent in my skin, yeah. So we're climbing in the tunnels.

We go into the tunnel. We cut over to Janeway. She's scanning a little deeper in the woods. Inside the tunnel, Harry's crawling, where we saw him crawl before. Same place. Back at the same place. He's panicking. Two bucks says, take some deep breaths.

Yeah. Harry pauses for a minute. He does. He calms down. He moves forward. We get back to this opening. Yeah. The same kettle.

All the things are there. But now. Now, cobwebs, heavy cobwebs. Clearly, this did not happen two weeks ago. We know that, right? And we even do- And cobwebs are spiders? So they have spiders on this planet.

Of course, there's alien spiders. There are spiders. Okay, spiders. Okay. But Harry goes in, he points to the corner. He says, that's where they were. Yeah. Tuvok goes over.

He finds the skeletal remains. Yeah. And the same wardrobe is sitting on the ground where the clothing was, too. Yeah. But Tuvok scans the skeletons. and he turns to Harry, he said, you are not responsible for their deaths. And in that moment, I was like, how does he know that?

And then he goes, these skeletons are over 300 years old. You couldn't have been here. Yeah, there's no way. Unless we jumped through some type of time warp. Yeah, I'm going to go with it wasn't us. Okay. Anyway, outside Janeway and Chikote come out to this open field. They see this giant monument,

which I remember the set piece was only that bottom pedestal. It was maybe 10, 12 feet high. Right. The rest was all CGI. It was all visual effect. But didn't it also, I made the note, after that many years, would there really be a clearing like that? You know what I mean, there's no, there's no one's lived there for hundreds of years. That, that beacon, that monument should have been covered in vines and it should have been completely overgrown at that point, I thought. Maybe interesting. Maybe they put, down some some weed killer that kind of lasted for it yeah some roundups they just did a bunch of roundup around roundup deluxe round up extra strength roundup delta quadrant roundup killed all the vines

it's good good for 300 years good for 300 years or your money back right now i can hear that 50s jingled mop mop don't stop so all right let's continue but they do find this she scans it she said i think we found war. Go to astrometrics. Seven's explaining that this structure contains a synaptic generator, powerful enough to permeate the entire star system that the planet is in with neurogenic impulses. Yeah. So that anybody that comes near here will experience the massacre. Yeah. A very huge sci-fi concept here. Yes. A synaptic transmitter. Right. But it puts, it transmits visions of this massacre into the minds of anybody. within range as if it was their real memory yes yeah as if it was their own memories and they

remember it as if they were you know a part of it yeah such a crazy concept but and and then they yeah very cool and then they read the inscription i wrote this down because i love oh yeah yeah read it that chakote reads he uh he scans the alien writing uh and or has seven seven do it yeah seven translates uses the translator matrix and interprets what's written on this memorial and chukotay reads it and it says words alone cannot convey the suffering words alone cannot prevent what happened here from happening again beyond words lies experience beyond experience lies truth make this truth your own

I love that super poor whoever wrote that idea in that way is just really powerful Robin Berger Robin Berger wrote it in that way so it was good job really cool very powerful I like how it showed up on the screen like it was the yeah the crawl

and the original Star Wars movie of all the letters coming on basically but yes very very emotional very moving yeah they realized the memorials over 200 years old and that it's deteriorating and that is why their memories are so fragmented. And Chocote wants to shut it down. But Janeway seems very distracted here. She's like thinking she's got another idea clearly.

You don't know exactly what. That's when we cut to Mess Hall at that point? We cut to the briefing room. The briefing room. Excuse me. I wrote that. Go to the briefing room. And that's where we are arguing about what to do. Yeah.

Basically, Neelik says we do not have the right to deactivate the trends. transmitter. If we do, it destroys all the evidence and we are no better than Commander Savdra in trying to, you know, enact this cover up. And Janeway is kind of, you know, as we're all debating this, Janeway's off to the side. And so all of a sudden she silently makes this decision. And she says, nope, we're not going to shut down the memorial. The 82 colonists who died here, they deserved their memorial. And Janeway suggests that we repair it, recharge the power cells and make sure that it lasts for another 400 years. And we're going to go ahead and place a warning buoy in orbit so that anyone who enters this system will know what to expect. They're not going to

get broadsided by this. And it's a good plan. And this is what we go with because she's the captain. Yeah. Yeah, which I think is, you know, she really wants to honor the intention of this memorial and but also give clarity to other people that might be surprised by it like us to say that there is a memorial here and it will give you the memories of of this horrible tragedy that happens. We have an exterior shot of Voyager in orbit over Taracas or Taracas and the next shot is basically of us on the planet surface at the memorial. It starts off pretty cool. It's like above all of us basically. We look down upon us and I think even that all, that's all CGI as well. Yeah. Even the crew members. And then as it comes down to surface level, we see that we are making

all the modifications. And by we, I mean Tom Paris and Harry Kim are making repairs to the monument as Chakotay, Nelix, and the captain look on as we do all the hard work, basically. But we beam out of there. And as we beam out, it just sort of ends on a shot of the memorial. And the power starts to glow a little bit, right? Re-energizing, whatever adjustments, improvements we made or working, this thing's going to work as it was meant to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Ooh, yeah, this was one gripping episode. Yes, it really was to me.

I thought it was great. What's your lesson? What are you going to get out of this? I mean, there's a lot of lessons. I have a couple of lessons. One lesson is always get your checkup on time instead of avoiding it like we did. Because if we had gotten our checkup when the doctor said, come get your checkup, we could have maybe prevented all of this confusion. So go to the doctor.

get your checkup on time that's one lesson what's your second lesson the other lesson is that the truth of the past can be painful for all of us all kinds of true you know events that have happened in our past or in history but by remembering those truths that we can prevent ourselves from making the same mistakes so that was sort of yeah my real lesson yeah the So was the doctor. So was get your checkup. But the more emotional lesson. Yeah.

Your second lesson is pretty much in line with what Seven said to Neelix in the mess hall, which is, you know, my feelings of remorse helped me remember what I did and prevent me from taking similar actions in the future. So that is, again, the lesson that I came up with, the same thing. So, yeah. Make sure that the lessons from the past will inform the decisions of the future. yeah okay what is your rating for this episode i'm going to give this episode a i'm going to say 8.2 oh we're very close what are you i was i had originally written down

8.2 but i'm as we've recapped it i'm going to up it to 8.5 i think this was a really good episode I'm going to say that the captains and admirals average rating is going to be 7.6. Really? Well, let's see, because I have it right here. The captains and admirals average rating for Memorial, I said 8.5, you said 8.2. You think they're going to be. I thought they were going to be lower. Maybe, maybe.

And then that's because of what happened last week. So I'm so affected by that. I'm sticking to my 8.5. This is a good episode. 7.8 is the average. Oh, 7.8. Wow. How well did I hit that average?

Wow. I point 0.01 off. I give it an 8.5. This was well written, well acted, a really powerful idea. It involved the whole crew. We had moments of levity, not as many as we often do, but still plenty. Yeah. Really well directed by Alan Craker, great writing.

I stick with my 8.5, but I respect the captains and admirals average 7.8. I totally respect it. Yeah. Still good. Yeah. There you go. Moke doke. We're done with Memorial.

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