The Delta Flyers - Move Along Home

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

The Delta Flyers is a weekly podcast hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode is Move Along Home.Move Along Home: A strange game introduced to the space station by a race from the Gamma Quadrant tests Quark's ethics and the senior officers' resourcefulness.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Janet K Harlow, Brian Barrow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Vikki Williams, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Matt Norris, & Izzy JafferOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Chris Knapp, Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas,  Matthew Gravens, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Mary Jac Greer, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Tom Paynter, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, Christopher Arzeberger, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Steven Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Mars DeVore, Stephanie Lee, & David SmithAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Meredith Hudes-Lowder, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Samantha Hunter, Jamason Isenburg, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Ryan Benoit, John Richardson, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Ryan Tomei-Siguroarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Jennifer Vaughn, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Lisa Hill, Stacy Davis, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Pamela Miller, Rik Moran, Jan Hanford, Constance, Loretta ReyesThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Worm Hall with Dax, Quark, Tom, and Harry. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Ferengi extraordinaire, Armin Shimmerman, and Pilot extraordinaire, Robert Duncan McNeil and myself, Gerardineer. Extraordinare. You're extraordinary. I give you guys extraordinaire as your descriptive. And then what, do you know? That's French for so-so, so-so. I was going to say, do you know the etymology of extraordinary? Extraordinaire. Extraordinaire.

Extraordinaire. Extraordinaire. By the way, I'm working with an actor right now. You do the French accent, and it just made me think of this. Oh, no. The actor, Gil Bellows. Do you know Gil Bellows? The name is familiar.

He was on Allie McBeal. He was in, uh, that's where I know. All kinds of things. Yes. I've known Gil for 30 years. And the AD keeps calling him, Gilles. And I'm like, Jody, it's not Gilles. It's Gil. His name's Gil. And the 80's like, well, but he's from French, he's French Canadian. He's French Canadian. It's probably,

no, no, just call him GIL. Trust me. Does she call you rabbi? Rabbi McNeil? Maybe. I don't know. Let me finish this intro, gentlemen. Yes, finish it up. For the complete and awesome version of this podcast, please check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up today to become a patron there we go i got it all there we go it's good we got it all out a patron a petron yes fini as the as we say in la france i don't speak french i don't know what i'm talking about armen but petit per in a petit but i'm french as well what uh what is the status of your roof right now is it my roof is it finished the rains came i found another lake but that's that's that's that's the

neither here or there that's just another this is after they replaced the entire we made the mistake of only doing one section of the roof oh no and it's leak proof there but uh but now we have to do another section and unfortunately we have solar panels on that section as well as well so those solar panels have to come off and the same process is going to have to yeah yeah okay luckily i get my $13 residuals and we can pay for this. You know what? This is more evidence that the way to go is a condo. Condos, townhouses, houses are a pain in the butt.

They really are. Money pits. There was a film many years ago. Money pits. It's a money pit. When Robbie bought his house in Georgia, every time I called him, he's like, I'm working on this. I'm doing this to the house.

I'm doing that. He never stopped. working for three years we renovated that house that house in Atlanta so many and then sold it and bought another house to do things too too yes yeah it's a progress it's yes it's a lovely problem to have actually it's a little problem to have all right it's now time to say happy birthday to some people and I think Robbie has the first happy yes yes we have some birthdays our first birthday is Ryan Tomey on January 31st Ryan Tomey's birthday. Happy birthday, Ryan. Happy birthday. Next up, we have Karen Gilleski. February 5th birthday.

Happy birthday, Karen. Happy birthday. Yeah. And our last birthday for now is E. LaRocque on February 7th. E. Happy, happy, happy birthday. Our good friend. Happy, happy birthday. Yes. Happy born day to everybody. Yes. Another journey around the sun. That's right. I think it's time for poetry synopsis. Yes. Okay, starting with my haiku. Okay. For Move Along Home.

Here we go. The Wadi love games. Quark cheats. Four must play chula. It was just for fun. That's funny. That's funny. It's good, good, Gary.

Yeah, you captured an element of the plot that's hard to do. I'm not so sure I like quark cheats, but, you know, well, then you're not going to like my limerick. Oh, no. You know, I'm gone in about a minute. Okay. Go, Robbie. All right, I actually have two limericks. You've got two?

This was true. Isn't that cheating? Wait. I'm going for extra credit. Is one a Rebecca limerick and one is your limerick? You know, I never tell secrets. I never, never, ever. I know what's going on now.

I'm curious to hear how the audience responds to these two. If you want to email us, let us know which was your favorite. Yes. It may, you know, end my marriage, but please, please do. Okay, here we go. Limerick's the first Limerick for Move Along Home. Here we go. Cisco dresses up when the Wadis visit the station.

Playing games is their favorite recreation. Cork is basically a chance. cheat. When the game is complete, Quark's gotten a fair play education. Oh. Sort of. What do you think of that, Armin? I'm not quite sure about Quark getting a fair play education, but okay, okay. Cheating again, problematic, but we've already done that. Yes. So let's hear the second one, Robbie.

I mean, I think he's learned a bit that it's stressful. Like, there's consequences, right? I want to give away the plot. Right, right. Okay. So I'm going to talk more about that, actually. Let's do. Okay. My next limerick, the Wadi have come to visit the station.

Playing games is their favorite recreation. Cork likes to cheat. Alla Moraine on repeat. Fallow gave Cork a fair play education. Another fair play. Similar, similar, you know, we're playing around. I just wanted to work in Alla Moraine. Okay, okay.

Alamorraine. Alamarain, Alamorraine. Oh, my God, Avery loved that. Yeah. Did he? No. They all look so miserable doing it. Oh, they were.

They were very miserable. I was trying to think, like, if we had had to do a scene like that on our show, how I would have, how I would have felt. And I think I would have felt exactly like them. Like, this is so. It's silly. But it's the game. So it works for this particular episode, I think. think. I don't think. Yeah. It's funny because when they were chanting Alamarin, I kept chanting

Robbie McNeil, because like the same amount of, um, syllables. So Al-A-Morraine, see, Armin, shimmerment, too many. Garren, too many. And yours is perfect, Robbie. You're like the porridge that was perfect with the three bears. And it's Robbie McNeil, count two, four. See, that's what I was saying. Instead of Al-a-Marine. Just I'm going to throw that out there. Okay. Very good. I want to hear Armand's etymology. There aren't a lot of bizarre words here. So I took a very a very pendent easy word

home home comes from a teutonic place it means a village or a town a collection of dwellings a place or region where one properly belongs

in which one's affection center or where one finds refuge however i do have a more eccentric word and that is wadi wadi is an arabic word Arabic word. And in certain Arab countries, it's the ravine or valley, which is in the rainy season,

which in the rainy season becomes a water course, the stream or the torrent running through such a water course. That's what Wadi means in Arabic. The Wadi. Interesting. And also interesting on the same note is that on Duolingo, I am now learning Arabic. So there. Good for you.

What Wadi is. I know what Wadi is. Vocabulary. Yes, I can. Interesting. Tutonic. When is the Tutonic period? Tutonic in English is the invasion of...

German knights? Is that German? Tutonic is German, certainly. But it's also... I may be totally wrong. I may be bull-shitting everybody here, but I think it's the invasion of the Danes and the Norwegians and the Vikings.

Oh. We'll bring that sort of Titanic. So that's how old a word it is. Now, there are various variations on the spelling and probably the pronunciation of the word home. But the original concept, the original word comes from the Teutonic. It's where you belong, the village, the gathering of people too, the people you belong with.

Which I thought it was very important. And I'm going to talk about the people that you belong to. I think that's, for Quark anyway, is a very interesting. subject later on in the podcast. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Well, let's get into what happens. How about guest story?

Let me just run through these. Sure. So, uh, teleplay by Frederick Rappaport and Lisa Rich, ampersand, and Jeannie Kerrigan Fauci. These names are like soap opera names, you know, on Jeannie Kerrigan Fauci. I'm Frederick Rappaport. Story by Michael Pillar, directed by David Carson, guest starring Joel, Brooks as our lovely wadi leader, Mr. Fallow himself with his lovely handlebar mustache. And

James Lashley is back as Lieutenant Prim. All right. Let's jump into this episode. We begin with an exterior shot of the station. And then we're in Cisco's quarters where Ben is looking quite sharp. He's putting on his dress uniform. Jake's there as well. And he's talking about watching Bajoran girls coming to the station with their families. And Ben basically looks at Jake and says, I need to have a birds and bees talk with you, but not now. I'm busy because we're about to greet the Wadi. This first contact situation is about to happen, so I'm going to talk to you tomorrow morning, but he already knows that Nog is not a very good influence on.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He believes that Jake is starting to be interested in girls. Nag's explaining all of the facts wrong, probably. He just doesn't like Noggs influence. and why do you assume he's doing it wrong i do i don't assume he's doing it wrong i think

cisco is assuming that he's doing it wrong i think cisco thinks he doesn't trust nog to be the the influence here shall we call that race prejudice i think there's a little bit of racial or species profiling going on i do i do i do yes i agree yeah he's a little he is a little harsh on a nog all throughout the first few episodes. I thought, uh, I thought Sorok was great in this scene, though. He is terrific. Isn't he?

He is terrific. He's watching these episodes and charming. And that, that 14-year-old boy is outshining all of us. He is terrific. Was he the age that he says his characters? I don't know. I have no idea. He certainly was a teenager, but he might have been, as I remember, he was relatively

young when he started. So he might have been 14. Yeah. Okay. Wow. He is really good in the scene. He's really good. He's open.

and charming and funny. He's having fun. You know, you see a lot of kids on TV shows and films that they're just anxious. You know, they're in a set environment and they're just not relaxed. And you can feel the tension and you can see how stiff the child actor is. They're not open.

They're not playing. They're not free. And it is like a glaring, like compared to all the other actors, you can see it so clearly. But definitely, Sir Rock did such a nice job, blending in. And credit for that has to go to Avery Brooks, who always made Sir Rock feel at home, always made him feel as though he was a surrogate father for him. Right. Right. And that helps the

relationship. You can feel that. You feel that chemistry both both ways in the scenes with him. Yeah, he's great. We're in Docking Bay 4. Kira Dax and Bashir are there. Bashir, who ended up forgetting to pack his dress uniform when he came to DS9. How dare he? So funny. I have said it before. I'm Team Bashir so far on this show. He's funny again. Like, they write it funny and he nails it. It's just, he's panicking. He forgot his thing.

But Kira, Kira hasn't changed. It's a big occasion. Kira's wearing the same uniform. That's what I was going to ask. He doesn't have the fancy little piping on the edges. You mean to tell me that the Jorans don't have fancy dress? They have to have dress uniforms. Every, am I right?

They should. Yeah, it's just, it's shocking. Jake, Jake says. something about Bajoran's fashion now is like baggy clothes or so. He talks about that. Yeah, the prior scene, yes. They've got to be stylish. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, we do see the Wadi. They appear for the first time they come in, led by Falo, who refers to himself as master searched of the Wadi. And this is really the favorite part of, this is what I love most about this scene. Cisco is introducing the other three behind him. He's saying, this is, this is Dachy. This is Kira, this is Bashir, and Fallow's like, yes, yes, yes.

Now, where are the games? He doesn't even, he's just pointing at each one and going, yes, yes, yes, but he only cares about one thing. And that's the games. Yeah. I just love that. What was your first thought when these guys walked in, by the way, this Wadi? I have a couple of thoughts, but I'm curious.

They're tattoos on their head. What do you, the forehead? The forehead tattoo felt like a big cheat to me. It felt like, oh. We don't have the money to do a fan. Is this from a guy who had worked with an actor who had a tattoo for some years? I don't know. It just felt like, yeah, but our guy, the Chakote guy, he was supposed to be an indigenous traditional human, right?

Yes. These are aliens from the gamma quadrant. This is the first contact with this species. You want of them to be less humanoid, correct? Yes. I was excited to see. oh what are they going to come up with yay creatively there's going to be tentacles but blue tattoos on their head yeah yeah i thought and they also all looked like an 80s rock band to me

i'm just going to say they did it was a little sergeant peppers a little bit you know in terms of that flashingness and oh no more like a glam rock band it was glam rock it was like uh twisted sister yeah something maybe something like that and why didn't any of them except joel speak why was Joel the only one who's good funds. Yeah. I mean, I know why. Money.

It's money. They don't want to pay the other actors and the actor rate. No. By the way, this is something not to get into union

or sag after up issues. But I remember in the afterworld back in the 80s when I was doing a soap opera, they would pay under fives. You had under five lines. It was a discounted rate.

So it allowed a lot of actors, I got my after card as an under five on as the world turns. I had three lines or something like that. But now we don't have that. We don't have it. You do have it. We do? It's under the after guidelines.

Oh. Oh, well, I didn't know that. So if there are after rules and there are SAG rules, even though it's SAG after, there are two different contracts. Okay. And the contracts allow you to have an under five. Oh, but like on this, what you brought up, why didn't the other one speak? Yeah, well, we weren't under an after contract.

Yeah, it's a SAG contract. There's no 105 here. I wish SAG. And certainly the unions hadn't merged at this point either. No, right. Boy, that would make more sense of SAG. But I wish that SAG, I wish back when they made this scene, that there was an option to give a couple of lines that wouldn't break the bank. Right.

You know, that would have been nice to hear some other people speak. Exactly. It would have. It would have. And it would have been good for the actors. They get a couple lines on camera. Fallow then talks to his cohorts, and he basically says, we want to go where Quarks is, quarks.

And so Kira says, yeah, let me lead you over there. Okay, dokey. And as they walk out, you see that Cisco did not think that this first contact went the way that he expected it to go. It was funny. It was a little light comedy out of him. Well, it's not what it used to be. First contact is not or something like that.

It was very, yeah, it was funny. Nice to see. A little levity coming from Cisco. Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. All right. We jump to Quarks.

We go to Quarks. Boy, Quark is so excited about the new customers. So excited. And he gives the Wadi a free spin at Dobo. They lose that first time. So then he says, okay, your second spin, what would you like to wager? And I just love the presentation of that box. You think it's going to be something amazing.

He pulls out these sticks. And then clearly, Quark's not enthused. He's like, no, I don't need sticks. And then he pulls out this liquid, you know, this drink, which is price. It's juice. Yeah, it looks like juice. Yeah, it looks like, you know, fruit juice. Yeah.

And you take it, you know, you drink it. And you're like, nope, I decline. And then he goes, well, we have nothing to wager except for this. And he dumps out this bag filled with gems and crystals and diamonds, whatever it is, right? Marbles. Marbles. Cork's eyes open up. Cork is okay with that.

He agrees with that. that one. There's a little bit of a passage of time and Cisco is now chatting with Cork off to the side this entire time the Wadi continued to win. And Cisco says, just keep the Wadi happy. I have to go get some sleep. Yeah, I liked, there's a moment where you taste the juice or whatever. Your reaction to that was so perfect. I mean, I expected, I think I expected that it was going to, that that's the bit they were playing there was, oh yeah, the sticks are bad and the juice is going to be bad. But what you did, the way you did it, was so funny and unexpected. I didn't expect that reaction. I thought it was really great. Maybe. Thank you. Just getting anything

past the teeth was a problem. Yes, I bet. That's true. That is so true. You probably didn't eat a lot on camera. Drinking made sense, but eating not so much. All right. So Cisco leaves, but now Cork walks over to the Davo table. And he's, you know, he's trying to get these winners out of his casino basically. Yeah, there's some time has passed and they've been clearly they've been doubling all. They've been breaking the bank. Breaking the bank.

He's like, aren't you tired? They're like, no, we're just getting started. And then he's, oh, okay. Well, but my, my, my, my, my, my dog girl, the dealer, she, her arm is really tired. And then Fallow looks at cork and says, replace her. And so, and I just love his affectation of the voice that he chose for this character. It's so crazy. And of course, um, cork does replace the, the dabbo girl with brook.

and as Broit comes in he kind of tugs him I love that little quick tug and that knowing look which is time to hit the button look right and he does and then that begins the losses but it's Fallow who does catch it Fowlo sees it for a split second you see that he's busted he's looking at it and he knows something's going on

but he's going to let it play out for a little bit though I like at the beginning of this scene Armin with you and Cisco and he's sort of I don't know if he was playing like he had a little to drink and he's telling stories and he's sort of lost and reminiscing about this McCullough guy, Captain McCullough,

and all you can think about is the money you're losing over in the corner. I like the beginning of that scene. It's rare in Star Trek that we have those moments where people are just kind of sitting around reminiscing or talking like humans. There's so much mission all the time. There's so much plot we're pushing.

I must say in my memory, I don't remember that many scenes with Avery. So I was actually watching the episode just this week. I realized that's one of the few. And where it was just Avery and I, even though it's brief. All right, we go to Cisco's quarters next. Jake is still awake and Cisco comes in and he's very angry about him staying up past his bedtime. Blames Nog. Sorry, Armin.

He blames Nog again. He does. But he's working on a school project. So I'm siding with Jake because this is schoolwork. He's not being a delinquent. He's in the quarters just doing school work. And yes, it's a project that he's doing with Nog. And of course, Cisco then blames Nog for stuff that.

And oh, here's the funny thing. Did you notice this? He pronounces Nog, knock, like K-N-O-C, like knocking on the door in this scene. I don't know if you remember that. I didn't notice that, but it's... I'm not surprised. Yeah, not surprised. I don't want to go into it, but I'm not surprised.

Knock. Good on knock. Okay. So this is just a scene of him just being a little upset with his son for being up. And then he's just so tired. Yeah. He says, go to bed. I'm going to bed too.

Right. Yes. We jump back to Quarks. And this is where Fallow actually catches Broek in the midst of pushing the button and yanks his hand up and realizes that He's been cheating the entire time. And this is the scene where Quark backpedals for the entire scene. Literally, literally backpedals with all of them swarming in. Yeah, yeah, coming in.

That was a tricky one to walk backwards in that makeup and all the other things you're doing. Yes, yes. And Fowell tells Quark that he will now play a new game called Chula, is the game. I don't understand, like, he's got the magic box with his game in it and he pushes a button. But isn't that where the daubo table was? Like, does it... Yeah, yeah. It's where the dabble table was.

So does it... Does his magic box disappear the daub... I suppose it's like my Zoom background right now. I mean, I've got a window behind me, really. So it just disappears and this appears, you know. Yeah. Okay. I just didn't understand the magic box.

It felt like they only had one place in the set to put a game. So we'll just make a box that'll put it. It was the one place in Quark's Bar where you can get a lot of people in the area, in a small area. Right. So they just removed the Dabu table and put in the other. And put in the Chula table. Yes, the Chula table. How sturdy was that chula table?

Do you remember? I have no idea. I just like that thing looked like. We didn't knock it over, so it must have been fairly sweet. Yeah. It wasn't T. I didn't knock it over. So, yeah.

Yeah, he does say he tells Quirk that he can play his game now. and tells cork that he can win back all the gemstones right so that's kind of why why quark is into this because he's lost so much money you know it seemed to me that quirk was like oh wait i got a way to win all that money back sure yeah give me the dice and again i refer to the the the false scenario that there is no money in star drink yes right right oh there's money there's money we did we yeah there's got to money even on our ship we didn't have a farangy or we didn't have a corks bar but we were trading with people we you know whether there's cash or a credit card or you're using your ATM debit or whatever it's bartering it's trading it's valuing things this thing is worth this many of

that other thing so yeah there's i'm just imagining captain janeway telling an alien representative I'll go ahead and Venmo you after this transaction, something like that. Yeah, they Venmoed. We Venmoed in the Delta Quadrant. And you, and you, okay, so you started on the second Shapp. What did you think of that? When they said that, I was like, what? Just making up names and things.

Yeah, I mean, totally. And Quark, of course, has no idea what Chap is, what it means, and therefore is totally a loss. and is winning doesn't understand how he's winning I mean he will win the second chap But as long as he's winning I think he's happy

Yeah Did you look up Shapp The etymology of Shapp as well Is that something? No I didn't Okay I'm just checking I think that's a made up word

It's got to be a made up word Shap Yeah it is made up Just like Chula Chula and Shapp are both made up words Yeah but he's starting it You know the upside here He's starting at the second

chap he says only children started the first shop so he does respect quark enough to to not start him where the children start i think that's right that's a little bit very kind of him yes it's very kind and we go we didn't have time for the first chap anyway it's only 48 that's what it was they had they didn't have time for the first chap they go to we go to cisco's quarters and he is sleeping in his bed he's a he's a triangle pillow by the way did you notice he has a triangle pillow He's a triangle pillow. Why? Again, it's, it's Cardassian, I think.

Remember the beds are a certain shape, and again, the pillows are, you know, it used to be a Cardassian station. So they sleep on triangular pillows, as my guess. But he's a little restless and he turns over a little bit. As he turns over, he's no longer in his bedroom. He's in this strange location. He's like on a tiled floor. A tiled floor.

And by the way, triangular tiled floor. Yes. The same shape as a pillow is now the floor tiles. I'm not sure if David Carson had that in mind when he went from that scene to this scene. But that is a cool, you know, segue, though. Maybe Herman Zimmerman did. Maybe he could have. But I love that.

Robbie, you like that shot when it comes to the very final. Yes, it's a lovely shot from above, which that crane shot. It's a crane shot, but it's not a crane, I don't think. Oh, it's not a crane? No, I don't think so. What do you think they use? Because it is dead center. punched. It's dead center over Cisco. And it goes up and keeps him right there. Right.

Crosshairs. Almost impossible to do with a crane back in the room. So they probably put it on a cable and they literally pulled it up. Because then it would stay straight up and down. So they probably rigged something would be my guess. They rigged something that would keep it centered over every. Because if you think of a crane, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, fixed length, right? Unless you have a techno crane, which we did not use on Star Trek. Okay. Techno crane, um, can, can I telescope out, yes.

In and out. Right. But the fixed cranes, yes. If you bring it down, it's, let's say it's a 30 foot crane. That's 30 feet from the base. Yeah. But if you start to bring it up, it starts to pull back because that 30 foot arm is now arcing back.

So to keep that shot over Cisco as perfect and beautiful, it was a beautiful shot. Because I thought about it. I was like, that's either incredible crane work or they probably just put a cable and they fixed it to something and they brought it up, you know, smoothly. And that way it would stay center punched. It would come up that smoothly? It's a tribute to David Carson who's looking for new ways to shoot the show. Who you remember is also the director of the first. episode i don't call it the pilot but the first episode of deep space nine yeah yeah it was it was

i will say um it's the first time i've seen a shot where i was like whoa i'm aware of the shot making right generally so far in ds9 it's been a pretty traditional safe filmmaking style everybody's kind of kept things um a little more traditional i guess i would say this is the first time where i was like whoa that's a cinematic shot that's that takes a little plan I feel like it must have been tied off on more than one point because if you just have a single filament or a single wire, it's still going to wobble the camera if you pull it up in some, you know, but if you have multiple points where everyone pulls at the same time, maybe. Depends on how they wait things and things like that. I've seen situations when you want a really big move outside where you'll take a construction crane that goes up, you know, 80, 100 feet in the air. Yeah.

And off that cable, you'll put the camera and you can you can either start up high and just dive down. on a straight line, or you can reverse it and go up. But that shot was anyway, I didn't mean to get lost in that shot, but it was very well done. It's not, it's, there's some detail in there where I thought, wow, that's not just, they didn't throw it on a crane and just raise the crane up. It was, it was more tricky than that. Yeah. And it was a type of shot that we don't see on Voyager that often, at all, to be honest.

So, yeah. If we go to a commercial, after that cool, big shot, we come back and he's stuck inside some kind a room and he tries all the doors just go tries some doors finally one of them opens he goes out into the hallway and then this other door in the hallway opens and there's fallow the uh the wadi boss guy yeah i call him a twisted sister uh sister opens a door and he says chap two move along home and he laughs and the door shuts and i i had a i had a memory from our show arm and we had an episode that Garrett had a lot to do in, called, what was the one with a clown? The thaw.

Yeah. My same thought. This is almost like the thaw set. This moment to me, we had Michael McKeon playing sort of this clown in a embodiment of fear is what he was. Yes. And this moment when Twisted Sister comes in and says, Shap two, move along home.

It reminded me of that sort of like, Phelini, you know, magical realism. the kind of absurdity that Fellini would shoot in, this reminded me about that, yeah. And Marvin was D-Ping at this point, right? Yes, Marvin was a D-P. And Marvin directed Thaw. Therefore, there's the connection.

I think that he drew upon that same Fellini because he was talking about Felini when we did Thal, right? So now he probably did the same thing here. Marvin remembered this episode, this labyrinth sequence and took some of that tone into the episode he directed. I agree. Twisted sister, or fallow, as they call him on the show. He disappears.

And then says he's going to hear Bashir screaming. Well, he doesn't know it's Bashir. He just hears yelling and whatnot, right? And then he comes around the corner and guess what? Bashir is asleep standing up in the midst of a nightmare. Robbie explained that to me. What is going on right there? Why is he like that?

I don't know, Armand, can you explain it? I don't ask me. I don't know. You mean why isn't he on the floor? Exactly. Yes, Cisco was on the floor. It was the weirdest staging ever. Yeah, yeah.

It's the weirdest stage you ever. I'm sure they just didn't want to have another shot of somebody on the floor. That's probably right. Yeah. Yeah. And when you shoot the actors in a traditional way, like standing, you can stay on the dolly in studio mode. The dolly can go up or down from a range of like waist height up to higher than your head. But if someone's on the ground, you have to go into.

low mode or you have to change the dolly or you have to and that takes time so i bet they didn't want to put bashear on the ground because oh now we got to go to low mode or we got time and money time and money okay kira and dax do run into the same room everybody shows up yeah everyone's there kira is super frustrated she is not happy being there no no kira was definitely not happy being yeah and they don't even know yet that they're going to have to go play hopscotch in a minute and say some silly rhyme so i don't know why they're so mad right now because that happens later but uh um i love the last line in the scene by the way though cisco says use your tricorders for proximity checks every two minutes and if all else fails he turns to bashear just yell again doctor

we'll find you yes they had some jokes in this episode yeah i i yeah we we uh you know they thought of it I'm sure as a comic episode, so they gave everybody a little bit of humor, which is good. Which is always good. Comic relief. Yeah, and I haven't seen so far much comic relief with the Cisco character. And I doubt I will. But in this episode, they gave him a few buttons of scenes or some lighthearted stuff, which I thought, I wish they had done that more.

I'd like to see that side of the character a little more. And you'll see very little humor from Kira as well. so interesting next scene is in the security office odo is there jake comes in to report his dad's disappearance there's a nice little bonding moment between jake and odo because odo actually acknowledges the fact that jake is watching these pejoring girls come on to the station and he's okay with it he's not critical of it he's actually like i know what you're doing young young little Jake. But he says, don't worry, I'll find your dad. Move along home. Move along to your wherever you need to go. And so he has to go check into what happened to Benjamin. Yeah, but he asked

the computer, you know, locate Cisco. Computer says, no record of that. Well, what ship did he leave on? No record of that either. So Odo's a little worried at this point. We go back to ops. Here's my favorite cowboy security guy. Lieutenant Primin. There he is. Lieutenant Primin, Roy Rogers. He tells Odo that none of the senior staff reported for duty. He thinks they probably partied too hard the night before at first contact. Odo informs him that they are missing. There's no trace of them on the station. No trace. Completely gone. I do like the continuity though of this cowboy security guy primmon yeah i like the fact that he comes back we didn't do that much on our show we didn't have as many recurring characters as you guys did and yeah it was a big part

theme of our show was recurring characters i love it does he stay with the show till the end primmon no okay already uh he will have a cup i don't give it away yeah yeah don't give it away something's gonna he's gonna die isn't he he's gonna die just say it he's gonna he's gonna go he's gonna go the way of the dodo bird he's going to be we had some of those characters too they come on for like one or two episodes and then they die in some great cool way yeah i'm going to liken him to lieutenant carry lieutenant carry was with us for a very long time and i think the final season he died in the seven season seven season like the next to last episode he dies so and that actor was really mad about it too as i recall he came back after he had established his character early thought he was going to be

sort of recurring throughout he didn't and then they bring him back in the last season and just to kill him off. He's like, you know, this is not what I signed up for. Yeah. Yeah. I reached out to him on Facebook asking him to come on the podcast. He was like, nah, I'm going to pass on that. So he's so mad about it. He's still mad. He doesn't even want to talk about it. So, okay. That's funny. It's fine. We are now. Back at Quarks. Quarks, yes. How much to wager on the second chap. That's the important part. Quark has to roll some dice. Now, you blew on the dice in this scene. So my question to you is, was that scripted or was that you doing that? I don't remember. Okay.

Because later on in another scene, he asks Odo to blow on them. I would assume it's scripted. Okay. Because I don't know about your set, but there were no ad libs on our set. Right, right. No adverbs on our set either. Yeah. So I assume it would be scripted.

Okay, because that blowing on that procedure or that method, you know, action, that action of blowing on the dice is very much a thing that people do at craps tables, right? Why do they do that, though? What is the... It's a luck thing. So people are like, come on the dice. Like something about blowing away the negative energy or bad juju or something like that, you know, along those lines. I don't when I, and if you don't already know, Armin, I'm an avid craps player.

I do, I never blow on the dice. It's all about, it's all about rhythm. Concentration. Well, mostly rhythm and smoothness, relaxness when you throw the dice. The three longest roles in Las Vegas history are by gentlemen, three different gentlemen from that don't know each other that are all from the island of Hawaii. And if you think about Hawaii, how relaxed and, yeah. So some dude rolled for two hours and 45 minutes.

That's the top one. The second one is two and a half hours and two hours and 20 minutes. All three of those guys come from Hawaii. They're Hawaiian natives. And in Hawaii, everything's all hang loose and take it easy. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Well, we should start doing the podcast like that. Come on. Here we go. We're just going to relax and take it easy. Right. Yes. Yeah, so he has to roll, blows on the dice, and he needs to keep his chandra, he's told, or he learns. He doesn't know if that's good or bad. So clearly, Quark doesn't know what he's doing, but it seems to be going okay for him right now. And it's a game. At this point, it's just a game. Yes. Granted, there's rewards. There's jewels to be had, but it's a game. It's a game. Yeah. Yeah, Falo says you're, you, Your pieces or your players will meet the Chandra.

So we don't know what that is. It should be a evil thing. Is it a monster? But later we learn it's a little girl. It's basically a wadi little girl named Chandra, I think. Or Sandra. Sondra. That's the wadi pronunciation of Sondra is Chandra.

Well, we go back in the labyrinth. This goes by himself in an empty hallway. He hears this creepy kid. Doro opens. She's playing hopscotch with this rhyme. calls for the team and they by the way are magically quick there

like he calls to the team on his you know tricorder whatever he does and they're there in like five seconds time is money Robbie I get it I get it it just felt a little easy but this is the Alla Moraine scene

Alla Moraine count of four Alla Moran then three more Robbie McNeil if you can see Robbie McNeil I'm sorry go ahead

one two three yeah yeah I'm sure this was their favorite part of the episode sure it was it was mine for sure because i didn't have to do it and they were doing it that's why i'll see the look on abry's face so he can't he doesn't mask it at all this felt very much like an original series kind of it felt like twilight zony and kind of old school original star trek

just didn't it rolled into one yeah it did it did i didn't find the little girl that creepy what i've found amusing about this scene is their reaction to hitting the force fields like no one on Voyager when they hit it maybe this is a super force field but when we come up throws them back yeah and they're in pain they're like ah they're almost that's true they're doing a shatter it's early on we had we hadn't learned how to do it correctly basically yeah because on Voyager if we run into a force field that's all we do we run into it we realize oh it's a forest field you can't go any further but nobody nobody backs up in pain like literally it looked like someone that shocked the be jeezes this out of Bashir and out of, who was the other person who got shocked?

Kira, so it looks like they were, maybe this was the Shondra. Maybe the Shandra has a lot of painful energy and you don't want to touch the Chandra. All right, I'll go with that. Maybe it wasn't the little girl named Sondra. I'll go. It was the force field. Yes, Chandra is the force field.

Okay. Yeah, but it's kind of creepy. They try to talk to her. She keeps playing. Kira tries to go through first. She's to the other side of the room. she's knocked down by the force field. Bashir thinks that maybe if we copy her steps,

that that'll work, but that doesn't work. And then Dax says, no, we got to do the whole thing. The rhymes, the moves, exactly the same. And they all do this weird Twilight Zone hopscotch saying Al-a-Morraine and doing the hand gestures. But it's staggered. So it's almost like a row, row, row your boat thing with multiple people, right? That's how it came off.

But it does give this scene, adds to the understanding that Dax is the science officer she's the smart one she's the one that figures it out it's important that that goes to Dax Yes she does this a lot

in this series so far I've noticed that she's saving the day over and over and over again she's having the breakthroughs that you guys need Yeah she's super smart And I love that I think that's great I agree Yeah they do all the weird moves

They make it to the third shift I still don't know what shaps are, but they're cool. Level, level, right? Levels, I guess, yeah. And they're going down on the game board, aren't they? Right, they're going down. Yeah, second chap is up here, and then they go down, down, down. And usually, yeah, usually you would imagine that the move would be up to the top.

Yeah. But they made it to the third chap. We cut to Quarks, and Quark has won some more gemstones, and he thinks he is getting it. Yeah, he does. This is the point where in the last time we saw Quark, he didn't know what Ashandra was. He didn't really know. He was aware that he didn't know how the game worked. Now he thinks he knows.

Right. But now we've introduced a new concept in this game, which is double their peril, double your winnings, which is initially very enticing to Quark until he realizes a little bit later what's really happening. Odo does come in at this point. And he's asking, when is the last time you saw Cisco and just giving him the whole, you know, interrogation bit? Yeah. And Quirk does pick up on the whole thing, you know, we can't find four of our senior officers. And that's when Cork goes four? Cool.

Uh-oh. Four players, four officers missing. And he realizes that they are the players in the game now. And so Cork, instead of choosing the shortcut, which is double the peril, he says, the safer one. Right. Let's just go to the safer one. And I'm going to say. that moment where Quark says I'll go with the safer one even though he would prefer to have double the money double the peril it's the first time I believe in this show in the in the series yeah that Quark demonstrates an affinity for the other characters he has a relationship a working

relationship with all of them from day one but the sense that you know what that he's actually going to give up profit yes in order to be careful about people that he knows and it's beginning to like i mean he does that because he's acquired some affinity with them some they're becoming friends yeah and i think you're right it's the first time i've seen it i've seen some other clues with Odo like it's a love-hate thing with Odo but yeah yeah there's something they had been together for a long time that's true Odo and Quark had been on the station together a long time so there's a relationship there but this is the first time he's showing that concern for Starfleet people for the newbies for the newbies on the station there's empathy

finally coming for well a rare moment of empathy really that's right of court which is nice to see and and and that will grow this despite what people think about this episode and perhaps i agree with them but but there is important things that do happen uh that this is part of the arc of the first season okay yeah i think that's a great thing to point out but that's a big it's a big character move forward when he makes a sacrifice personal sacrifice to take the safer route less winnings and begs not to be in this position anymore right yeah um that will happen in a a moment but um later it is his we see the audience is seeing that he actually does care about the starfleet people to some extent yeah well we go back into the labyrinth the team is in some other hallway

trying to figure out what's happening to them dax thinks that this is a just part of some kind of game and then a door opens and there's like a party going on inside and they enter this party and there's wadi with the tattoos, the forehead tattoos all around, with drinks in their hand, and they're laughing. And our team tries to ask, you know, what's going on? How do we get out of here? Kira's getting mad. She throw, Kira throws a big plate of food, which I thought was, that was a pretty dramatic move.

It was. She could have, you know, banged on the wall or something other than waste that food. I didn't know why she was doing that. Yeah, what if they're trapped here, they could have. If I may make a guess at this. yeah and it's just it is as a guess is that i've known from past conversations with nanah that she originally thought the character was male that she was surprised when she found out it was a female character oh and i think uh some of this may be left over from that original

uh idea of hers she's asking she's using male like uh behaviors reactions things like this is how a man would react right yeah yeah but we're seeing it in a female um so i think i think that explains some of the things that that the actor is doing in the scene yeah okay i just thought she was a hot head i was like she's the hot head and she but then i see she definitely is that but i like that detail the specificity of what would a what what would a you know stereotypical man do in this situation it's yeah now i could be totally wrong about that i'll have to ask an odd the next time i see her but if she remembers but um but i but i thought that when i was watching it that makes sense well smoke starts to fill this party room and our our team is all starting to choke and suffocate

yeah um but the wadi who have these drinks in their hand they're fine they just keep laughing yeah and then fallow arrives um and he says again move along home and they're choking to death but shear realizes he's looking around he takes one of the drinks it and realizes this is the antidote they all the team all drinks and they survive this poison gas that's coming in yeah and then fallow says uh shap four and the room sort of flashes and the party's gone and the smoke is gone and it's just a total reset so they've moved to chap 4, but it's a reset in the room. It's very holodeck like this game. It feels a bit like that. Well, that's why Quarks says this might fit. Yeah. And also, we didn't talk about this, but in the

beginning when Cisco wakes up in the labyrinth, he says computer and program, he thinks it's the hollow. Oh, he thinks it's a holodeck. Yeah, he's like, he's like door, which exit, yeah, which then the exit should appear and it didn't happen. So, yeah, very much like a holodeck. And that drink, it looks so tasty. I wanted to have some, it looked like apricot juice to me. That's what I was saying. It did look refreshing with all that smoke. After the reset, we cut back to Quarks. Fork is still playing this game.

The pieces moved down to Shap 4, I guess. And Ork wins. He wins another big gemstone. It's the largest one I've seen, that big round thing, I guess. Oh, is that the reaction shot of Cork just looking at it like, he looked like, what's the character from Lord of the Rings that? Gallum. Gallum, yeah. It was very gallum with the ring, yes.

Precious, yeah. Precious, yeah. But that's when, so he wins that. And then Odo has a thought. You see Odo in the foreground, think of something and moves off very quickly. Yeah, he takes off. We go up to Ops next, and Odo comes in.

This is the idea that he had. He asks Roy Rogers Starfleet guy, Pryman, if he picks up any human life signs on this ship. And Primin says, no, nothing. And Odo wants to beam over there to search their ship. And Prerman says that it's not Starfleet policy. We shouldn't be doing that. But Odo says, I'm not Starfleet, beam me over.

And Primmin energizes, off he goes. And then we're in the Wadi ship now. Odo's over there. Clearly, it's a Wadi ship because they're Wadi stickers on the walls. Right. Because it kind of looks like a Starfleet ship. But they got the Wadi stickers, so it must be Wadi. Which are the little yellow caution that,

You know, danger stickers is what they are. Quotograms, yeah. I feel like this was a ball. This was like a save money episode. I'm just going to say, let's put some stickers up. That's it. We're not going to do any makeups on the faces. It felt a little bit like, uh-oh, we've overspent.

We got to buy back some money. For a second, I thought that was Voyager. I was like, hey, they're on Voyager now. It looked like a Starfleet ship. It looks so Starfleet to me, but it had stickers. Yeah. So, yeah, it's definitely not a Starfleet ship. He opens a door with a sticker on it, and the super bright light comes out of there, which I thought was pretty cool.

And Odo very dramatically, Odo uses all of his heroic moves to go through this light. I thought it was, that was kind of cool. So he goes into the peril. Would you jump into the white, to me, I was like, why are you jumping into the, that's my thing. He's going to dive into not knowing what he's diving into. That could be a pit of despair. That could be the, you know, the, the, the shark tank. Who knows?

So I don't know. Yes. Painfully bright light, is what I wrote down. Painfully bright. I would not go in that room. Right. But I'm, you know, I'm kind of fair-complected so I could get this on burners. And isn't that the mythology for death?

Oh, yes. You see a bright light. Go ahead. Yeah. What are you thinking? And in what world is that a good idea? Anyway. Yes.

Maybe. Maybe that's their transporter. That's like some kind of transporter. That is their transporter room, yes, is what it is. Because he jumps in and he jumps right back into Quartz. Right back into Quartz. Yeah, and Fallow sees him. He's like, uh, uh, uh, it's so funny.

That actor is so good with nonverbal communication. Joel Brooks is a wonderful actor. He's like my neighbor, by the way. What? Is he really? He lives next to you? My goodness. No, a block away.

Wow. How funny. I think we should go over and just, Alamarrain, count two, three, just like we should chant that and see if he comes out. I don't know. I'm sure. He'll probably throw some eggs at us to make his leave is what he'll do. Well, Odo's back in Quarks and Odo says you've got to stop this game. And Fallow says, well, if we stop the game right now, you'll lose all your players. And this is where Quark says, basically trust me. Look, I'm doing fine. Let me roll. So he's feeling confident,

even though he doesn't know how this game works he doesn't know any of the rules but he feels like he's been wins on a role he's on a role so so i i i sort of buy hits the confidence because it seems to be yeah luck is with him fate is with him it's been working so far um but he he rolls and it's a bad role it's a bad role yes we know it's a bad role right away an unfortunate role fellow says. And we go back in the labyrinth. And Bashir is also very confident inside. But they don't know the rules either. They're trying to figure out. So Quark doesn't know the rules in the real game. They're inside this labyrinth. They don't know what they're doing. Suddenly, this big light appears in the hallway and they all sort of go to the wall. Isn't it like multiple lights? It was like four or five

of them that came out. Yes. I would say even more five or six. Yeah. Yeah. And there is a moment where Bashir, this magnetic field variation, Dax reads, they go for cover, and then Bashir hits a wall and turns back. And all I could think of was like a 1980s music video. I was like, I don't know, Duran Duran Duran. See, I didn't picture him hitting the wall. I thought he was still there from trying to hide from when he said take cover. The light.

This goes to take cover that he's trying to get through the door. And I thought it was just a bad cut. I thought, wait, he should have gotten well beyond that by now. No, he's kind of up against the door and it's very Duran Duran, and he's got kind of a sexy Bashir pose, 80s rock star, awkward door standing maybe. Oh, wow. It's a modeling pose. That's what he's doing. He's modeling.

He's modeling. He's modeling his Sears, Toughskins, jeans. Yes. Turning over his shoulder, yeah. It was an amazing moment. I'm still team Bashir, even with that. Even with that moment, even with that moment, I'm still team Bashir. You're loyal.

Yes. Back up in Quarks, Fallow moves a piece to the bottom and tips it over, basically. Did you say what happened to Bashir? No. Well, it doesn't happen until he does this, right? Doesn't quark, sorry, Fallow, move the piece down. What happened to him? This is what Odo says.

What happens to that one? and Joel doesn't answer. Yes. Yeah, Fallow's basically saying, sacrifice one to keep two alive. But your Duran Duran Duran moment, like those lights converge upon him and he disappears right after the Duran Duran moment.

I guess that's when he, I can't remember exactly when, but yes, the piece gets knocked over. He disappears in his cool Duran Duran music video. Yeah. And Fallow says you'll have a chance

to win it back, win that player back. And Cork wants to take the shortcut At this point, Quark says, I want to take the shortcut, right? Yeah. So, Robbie, actually, Odo was like, I want that player back. And Fallow says, well, you can play the game after Quark's done. Oh, that's right.

He says you can probably get that player back. That's right. Yeah. And this is where Quark says, he wants to take the shortcut, right? In here. Yeah. Yeah. Even I don't know how the game works.

And I took notes. But this is the scene. This is the Tialo scene. And then he rolls the dice and it's Tialo. Tialo. Like sacrifice one so that two may live. And now we think this is serious. This is where the blow on the dice thing happens by the way.

From Odo? He holds out the dice. From Odo. Yes. He has Odo. The way Odo blows out is such just hilarious. He's like, he's just so like not. He doesn't want to do it.

He doesn't want to do it. any of this stuff. We come back after Quark has learned that he's going to have to sacrifice one. And basically, Quark has a meltdown in this scene. He begs, begs, begs, to not have to choose. Really emotional and intense. I like when you disappeared below the, you were so emotional, you collapsed, you know, below the table. I actually didn't, at watching it this week, I went, oh, I shouldn't have done that.

Really? Yeah, I really shouldn't have done that. Because I know what I was trying to do. There are some episodes where I distinctly remember what choices I made. This was a very important moment to me, to me, not Quark, but for me. Yeah. And why? Because up until this point, for the most part, I'm still thinking a little like the Ferengi from TNG.

I'm still thinking, oh, these are comic characters. And although watching this speech, I could have done it better, much better actually. But what I remember thinking was I need to show them that this character has heart and that he's equally three-dimensional as any of the other characters on the show. At least that's what I was thinking at the time. and i really wanted it to be uh both dramatic and comic at the same time but i i think it was written just to be comic and oh interesting because and i and i wanted to show the dramatic side of that um as well as the comedy and uh that's that that speech was and that that was the first time

they'd given me a speech i think you achieved it arman i'm i'm i'm i'm I'm going to say, I think you achieved both things. I thought you were going to be critical that, oh, I shouldn't have had any comedy in it. But that's kind of what I liked. I bought the beginning. I bought all of that meltdown and the emotional authenticity of that. Thank you. And then the idea that that took him to the floor.

Well, I took it to me to the floor because I didn't want to have them watch me anymore. I just wanted to disappear. And then when he says, okay, okay, you know, you don't have to pick. And you pop back up. You've got to laugh out of it. i got laugh and i if i had it to do over again i wouldn't i wouldn't have made that specific moment comic i would have oh i said i had it to do over again i would have been uh i achieve what i wanted to do yeah kept that character sincere and dramatic as opposed yeah exactly and

and years later uh whether was that scene or or others but you know the the showrunner ire Bear told me that oftentimes I would do things that they didn't want me to do when they were when they were conceiving the script really they they wanted the character to go one way and I would drag the character into a different direction and I that might have been one of them but I was I was happy that day because I achieved for the most part I hadn't seen the dailies there was no way for me to know for sure but I thought I had achieved what I wanted to do was was to make this character's just slightly a little bit more three-dimensional. I think you achieved it.

I really do. I thought the pleading and the emotional honesty of he is discovering he cares about these people. He really doesn't. He cares about these people. It's honestly the most emotion I've seen coming from Quark so far in this entire series. So it was very moving, very moving. Thank you. He says you won't have to choose.

Basically, he says, we'll pick, you know, the game will pick at, random, which is no better than before. No. Someone's still going to die, basically. Someone's still going to die, and this is the final move of the game, he says. We'll program the game to choose one at random. Final wager's last move, he says. So now we cut back into the labyrinth, and they're continuing through when they hear

Bashir calling, screaming, kind of like Cisco said, hey. Where has Bashir gone? Where has Bashir gone? You know, I would love to ask the character of Bashir, what happened between the time you disappeared and the time you show up later? What happened to you? As I would like to ask, what is the time we're watching the Starfleak people go through their perils? How long does that take compared to how long I'm throwing the dice? Rolling a dice, exactly.

Yes, I wonder. I'm going to say that Bashir, you're asking where he went, and I'm going to suggest that he is in the Chula Green Room. Yes. Eating snacks. He's eating snacks. And he's hanging out with little Alamarin Chandra girl, and they're just, you know, they're having fun. Having drinks out of those long glasses, yes.

I feel like at this point, the audience should believe that they are in peril to die, that each of these characters. Yes, exactly. that they're going to die. Yes. And then at the end, you do believe that. We believe that at this point. But at the end, our Twisted Sister 80s glam rock guy, what's his name again?

Fallow. Jow Brooks. Jol Brooks, Fallow. Your neighbor. In the end, Fallow says, spoiler alert everybody, but he says, oh, this is just a game. It's just fun. Right. So maybe they weren't going to die.

Maybe you're right. It's just a green room. He's going to hang out with some snacks. Although it was creepy. having Bashir or disembodied voice of Bashir calling to them because it really wasn't him, right? I think that's what I got.

It was a computer pretending to be him. Okay, yeah, or Fallow or pretend to throw in his voice or something. Yes, yes. But they hear him. He says he's found a way out. Dax finds some door, opens it up, and now we're in the rock part of our set.

Yeah, caves. Some earthquake thing happens. Yeah, there's an earthquake. She breaks her ankle or something. Yeah, she gets trapped under some rocks. Cisco and Kira come in to try to help. And then Bashir turns into Fallow. Bashir's in there saying, come on, you know, you've got to get home.

And then he turns into Fallow and Fallow says, again, move along home. It's Shap Six now. Yeah. So Shap Six, this is the final move, I guess, he was talking about. They make their way through the caves, helping Dax, who's injured. They're on this ledge. And I really liked the way that they're. that was shot, I will be honest. This very narrow crevasse that they're going along. The low

angles, all the angles that David Carson got felt like an action sequence in here. You know, sometimes in Star Trek, we don't have time or money or it's just not, doesn't come off super, you know, cinematic. I thought this scene with a cave walking was really shot well, very cinematic. They all three continue. They cross this super tight ledge. There's another tremor. and they basically all fall off this thing. The one moment in this sequence that I didn't like was when they fall because it appeared like they were jumping.

It didn't feel like they were collapsing because of this thing. It felt like three stunt people or maybe the actors even were told to three, two, one, jump. I bought it though. You did? Yeah, I did.

I'm fine with it. It was okay. I didn't like that moment. Yeah, that's okay. We don't have to like this like the same thing. it's fine um look at all this trouble you cause quirk do all this as they fall they end up and they end up landing in corks is what happens right so that's what we so they're they're okay they're safe quark is relieved but cisco

has a word that he must have with fallow he's pissed and he won't be oh yeah definitely he walks up to him about to you know try to get an explanation of how dare you put us through this and that's when oh Odo intervenes, it says, no, no, no, no. My good friend Odo. Yeah, your good buddy, Odo. Yes. And he basically squeals on you and says that the reason why this whole thing happened was because

of Quark's cheating. And so there in, therefore, we realize that this is, this is all about Quark doing that initial move, which caused everyone to be thrown into this Chula game to begin with. So Cisco's not happy with Cork on that point. He comes over and dresses down Cork a little bit of. for the for the cheating right and forgets about fallow all together i know he just he's really i'm not saying that quark isn't responsible at this to some extent but it's fallow's it's still fallow's game exactly exactly i do love though that quark is like you know

we may have some room for this game at some point it's like up in the balcony we got it's a holly sweet game if i ever saw yeah absolutely uh and then he goes chasing them at the end of the episode he goes chasing after to them to try to add their business so the two people that are responsible for the entire peril in the episode is is fallow and and quark and somehow they just able to scamper out and we don't care after yes we just leave them alone to do whatever they're going to do yeah that to me and this is this is indicative of what i always thought whatever the writers thought it or not i don't know but it they got they can't make they look foolish to me if they're not reprimanding quark for the for the

nefarious things that he's doing and they are they're just letting him basically off the hook here at the end of the episode as well as fallow for that matter it feels a little bit tonally in kind of the sitcom genre like yeah this kind of storytelling is like look at that wacky thing that happened yes all right let's go back to go back to life go back to the dimension Manian Wars. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just a situation comedy where we just have some laughs and there's no, and, and there's no consequence.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there you go. Move along home. Move along home. All righty.

What is your lesson for this episode, Robbie McNeum? My lesson is don't cheat people. Yes, I learned from, what's his name, brook? Broick. Brook and Quark taught me cheating. You're going to have to learn your lesson if you cheat because there's consequences to cheating. Yes.

Armin, what is your lesson? My lesson is a line that I had in the episode. There are risks in every roll of the dice. That there are. Whatever you do, there are possible. risks in it. Well, yes, Quark and Broek cheated, so there are risks in that. There are risks in everything that we do. Every time we make a decision to do something, there's a risk in it. I think that's a very good thing to know. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's, it's interesting

that you say that because during this pandemic and during all this time, you know, there's been people, everyone's been sort of evaluating their, their tolerance for. risk and tolerance for things like that. That's right. People aren't wearing masks now. It's wintertime. This is when COVID spikes. And they're not wearing them.

And even though they've been told, yeah, exactly. Yeah, everybody sort of some, and it's a good reminder that there is risk always. And just to be conscious, to be intentional about how much risk you're willing to choose, rather than just being naive and thinking there's no risk. There's always risk. That's a great lesson. But to add to that, I feel like you also have to be careful to not be so careful that you don't risk, like don't take on some measure of risk.

Because in the episode, Quark actually says nothing ventured, nothing gained, which is, you know, I mean, sometimes you do have to take a risk. And to find a better place, you know, or a better station in life, you've got to take a risk. If you play it safe all the time, it's not going to get you anywhere. That's the bottom line. When you play it safe, you're playing not to lose. You're not playing to win any longer. That's the difference.

And my other lesson is just cheaters never prosper. So, yeah, we're all on the same page on that one. Cheaters, cheaters, cheaters, oh, quirk and brook. And my question, and I don't know, I'm going to learn as I've watched these episodes, does he ever cheat again? And I actually don't remember cheating again. Oh, so he learned. He may have.

Maybe. He may have. He does nefarious things, but the cheating, I don't think he cheats again. Like literally pushing a button to. I'll get letters saying that, oh, he does this in this episode and that episode. But I just don't remember after this cheating. Interesting. We'll see.

We'll keep an eye out for it. Well, there you go. There is Move Along Home, a very controversial episode. for a lot of people. All right, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in to move along home, little doggies. It's so funny. When I made that funny little musical, you know,

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