The Delta Flyers - Nightingale

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

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Garrett, Survival Island. Oh, my gosh. you bring up you bring up something that's just the oh gosh what is it I tried to find a I tried to find a trailer I didn't try that hard I'll be well I think it has multiple names so wasn't it called pinata or something demon yeah pinata was one survival island is another demon island is another so it has multiple names I don't know but it's available on you know DVD and some and usually I would get text at two or three in the morning from people going, dude, you're on showtime right now. I'm like, oh, that's funny. Yeah, it'd be on late night cable. It would, they would show this. Oh, yeah, I've done some of those.

Yeah, this is basically a pinata and not not the colorful kind of kids parties. This is a traditional Mexican clay pinata, so made of clay. And it comes to life. It's inhabited by some evil spirit and it starts wreaking havoc on these campers. And I'm sort of like a camp counselor, like I'm older. you know so it was this group of people which included uh zander from uh buffy uh nicholas brendon he was in it uh nicky brandon nicky brandon um series regular from sabrina the teenage witch um the boyfriend of Sabrina who played Sabrina uh camp i'm blanking on his name right now so he was in there um Jamie

Presley was also in it um it was a it was kind of like a who's who of younger Hollywood and I was a bit older than them, so I was playing the camp counselor, basically. And fun experience shooting, but it was the reason why I missed out on Cameron Crow's almost famous. That role of playing his boss of who hired him for Rolling Stone was my role. It was my role. And it was like, I went in to read for that. And the casting director was like, hey, you know what?

Forget about, I'm not going to record you anymore. I'm just going to have you meet with Cameron. The minute he meets you and just has lunch with you and talk. talks with you, he's going to hire you. I know he will. And I was like, okay. I said, well, where is he? He's location scouting in San Diego for the next week and a half. I said, fine. I offered to fly myself and the casting director on my own dime, both of us. I said, I'll book our tickets now. We'll go meet him. She goes, oh, no, you don't have to do that. We'll figure it out. We'll have him come up to, we'll have him come up to the casting office.

And I said, well, come up from where, where he lives in Orange County. I said, well, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's just say right now that I'm filming this project, Demon Island, and it's just taking a long time. I'm afraid to schedule anything on the days that I'm filming, so can we avoid that? So we had one scheduled time, which then Cameron canceled, so that we rescheduled a second time, which then got canceled again or something. And so the third reschedule was on the day that we were filming, I was first seen up, first scene of the day, call time with 6 a.m. So I said, what's the latest we can make this, this meeting with Cameron? And she said, 4 p.m. is the latest?

I go, fine, let's do 4 p.m. Because that'll give me a nice cushion to film out in the middle of nowhere and drive to Santa Monica and be there by 4 p.m. Because if I'm the first scene in the day or 6 a.m. call time, I should be done by noon at the latest, or noon at the latest, right? But first scene, if we hit it really quickly, I could be done quickly. Well, guess what? No, it's now 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock.

We haven't shot anything. It's 10 o'clock. It's 11th, noon. We haven't shot a thing. What? And yet nothing, nothing. Everything was going wrong. The actors were acting up.

Things were happening that just they didn't expect what would happen. Just all these crazy hurdles came up. And I kept telling production, I said, I have to get out of here. The latest is 3 p.m. It's going to take me an hour to get to Santa Monica. So it's the latest. And at 245 or 250, they were like, dude, we can't. we're not going to get to you until another two or three hours.

I was like, what are you talking about? I said, fine. So I called the casting director, and I said, listen, I'm so sorry. It's now three o'clock. This is the latest that I can leave and still get there in time. I said, it's not going to happen. And she goes, what? I said, I'm sorry.

I told you I'm filming and this crazy stuff is going to happen. I know it was first up, but they are so behind right now. And she goes, do you know Cameron left his house in Orange County? just to meet you and now he's already driven up he's driving or he's driven up he's waiting and now you're going to say you're going to cancel and I was like yeah I I yeah that's what I'm saying she goes okay well we'll call you don't worry about calling us never heard back from him oh no and that was it and I was so bummed out oh god it brings up so many crazy memories demon island that was yeah and that was also the production I was on where I had met I was flying

on Southwest and I had met this flight attendant that I'd gotten along with very well. And I was like, here's my, here's my number. Just call me next time you're in L.A. and I'll show you around. She called while I was working on Demon Island. And it was one of these calls. Hey, it's Angelina. And so my number is like that. Oh, no.

And it was because I didn't answer because I was in the midst of Demon Island. Ruined my chances with everything. Yes, with Angelina Seaford. And it ruined my chances with, uh, Almost Famous, being on Almost Famous. And it's like, it's so crazy because for years after that, I just, I couldn't get that out of my head that I had lost Almost Famous. And for years after, I kept checking Facebook for Angelina Seafurt

and could never find her again, ever. So that vanished just like the job. Yeah, you should have known when you knew this movie was called Demon Island. Demon Island. It was haunted. Yeah. I'm wondering what would have happened if I just said like, you know, guys, I was first up.

I have a meeting with Cameron Crow. I'm leaving and if I just left because I felt like I could have left Robbie gotten to Santa Monica and come back. Oh, easy. And still been able to film. Probably. Yeah, it brings up some sad memories, unfortunately.

Oh, I'm sorry that I brought that out. That's okay, buddy. So deeply. That's okay. I got really passionate. You didn't expect me to go that far. No. I just said you played Paul.

Yeah, and then all this survival island or whatever it's called. Yeah, and it came out. My God. Okay. All right. So this week's episode. Are you ready to watch this? I am ready.

Nightingale. Nightingale is the episode. And Robbie and I are going to watch this and come right back with our recap and discussion of Nightingale. We'll be right back. Yes. For all our Patreon members, stick around for your bonus material. Hey, everyone, we're back from watching Nightingale. Wow, Captain Kim.

Look at that. Harry Kim's big episode, season seven, huh? What'd you think? I did not remember this at all. At all. Not at all. Well, you know, you also appear at 19 minutes and 37 seconds. I have a couple of hallway scenes and I sit on the bridge once or twice.

Like, I don't do that much. But honestly, I don't remember even ones that I had a lot to do sometimes. So it's not because I had a lot or a little. Okay. All right. just i don't remember um yeah we were wrong on director entirely that was we were wrong on um writer as well story by robert led letterman and dave long i think maybe this is an outside pitch or something like that let me let me tell you what this is i when i saw

that so bob letterman yes was an editor on our show oh yes that's right okay so not he doesn't go by Robert, he goes by Bob Letterman. He goes by Bob Letterman. That's right. Okay. He was an editor. He edited at least one of the episodes I directed. I know that Bob directed on NextGen.

And I think he sold a couple of story ideas. I don't think he ever wrote the script. Yeah. He may have sold like a NextGen story, a couple of DS9 stories. Like he sold some stories. And his partner, Dave Long, when I didn't know who that was when I looked it up, there is no other credit other than Star Trek he only he must have been a friend of bob letterman's and they came up with ideas and yeah pitched them to Rick Berman or

whoever and so love that I love that so teleplays by our friend Andre Bormonis yes I'm very excited to see his name on this episode yes and and for those of you that are patrons supporters you have probably heard his interview we did we recently interviewed Andre and he talked about so many things behind the scenes about how he got connected to Star Trek his ambitions to be a writer not just a science consultant and it was a really good interview yeah mr. Bourmanus and you know and for those of you out there if you haven't had a chance to be a Patreon supporter this is your chance and you get all of these interviews from the commander level level up so these are all the perks that you get these extra um

It was fascinating. It was really, really fascinating. Yeah. It was really. And it's typically, you know, we've been around on this planet long enough that we've heard pretty much everything. So when we heard new stuff that we don't know about, we get excited. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was great. I was glad to see his name on a script so close to when we interviewed him. Yes. It was like putting all those pieces together. It all makes sense at that point. Yeah. It's like a little validation.

Okay. And LeVar came back and directed. He hadn't directed in a couple of years with us. That's right. That's right. The last time that he directed, I think, was the 100th episode, season five, timeless when he directed me in that big one. So I think that was the last time he was here. Let's do our poetry synopsis.

Okay. Okay, this is my haiku for Nightingale. The Kraylor need help. Harry asked to be captain. The crew mutinies. Okay. Nice. Covered a lot.

Yeah, give me that. Give me that limerick. Okay. Here we go. The limerick poetry synopsis for Nightingale. There once was an acting captain named Harry, who probably should have been a little more wary. Eichab feels the love tickles from Balana's mixed signals to the Kray lore. Captain Kim is legendary.

Here's ends on a better note. than mine yeah you're a legend you ultimately ultimately i do help them survive you even you know you even help out the military involvement that we're not supposed to do but you do you do all the things i did um yeah yeah huge episode for harry yeah oh my god you do you see how many lines i had in this one holy a lot a lot of words yeah a lot of words yeah a lot of words and you want to talk about the guest stars yeah let's talk about the guest stars uh let's start with ron glass yes who played loken now in the beginning i was so confused with you and i'm sure it's been edited so that it doesn't look like i'm confused in the intro but i kept thinking

ron glass was from wkrp in cincinnati and that's incorrect the classic iconic sitcom barney miller is what and i know that but you know my brain was just fried i guess what I was thinking about that. But Ron did 164 episodes of Barney Miller, okay? Wow. So, yeah, so that's where he, you know, that was his claim to fame. That was his, you know, entree into a series regular. And so he did that.

And that was a huge show. I remember watching that as a kid, too. Oh, yeah. You did too, yeah. Ron's very first credit was a 1973 episode of All in the Family, which, again, I watched that as a kid, too. Huge show, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, super, super cool credits. Yeah, that was a huge credit for him to be on such a big hit at that point. At that point. I mean, that's his first role to be on a massive hit like that. That's a coup for him. And if you look at his resume, it's just one after another. It's a very long list of credits. It's similar to like Bob Picardo or Ethan Phillips' resume.

A lot of comedies, I think, you know, a lot of a lot of half-hour comedies, which is interesting because we didn't get a lot of comedic actors on Voyager. You know, they were usually like theater trained. Very serious. Yeah. But I love when we got, you know, these actors that were used to doing comedy. It brought a different, just a different vibe. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And, you know, it was great to work with on set. And I remember being in all of the actor from Barney Miller, you know, and also Firefly in the feature film, Serenity, the feature film for Firefly. another sci-fi franchise there. But unfortunately, he passed away, November 25th, 2016, yes. So he's been gone for about seven years now.

Gosh, it's so crazy to say. 2016 was seven years ago. All right. Next up, we have Manu and Taramee. We've already talked about Manu before. And we have Beverly Leach, who played Dela. Her very first credit is a 1986 episode of Facts of Life. You remember that?

Another half hour. Look at this. Yeah, look at this. And she's born in Paris, Texas. So there you go, Tom Parris, Paris, Texas is where she's from. Nice. Yes. Next is Paul F. O'Brien.

So Paul O'Brien's very first credit is a 1985 episode of Spencer for Hire, where Avery Brooks was the lead. Wow. Yeah. We also have Scott Miles. And he played Terrick, the young crew member, the cradle of crew member that I was sort of, you know, bossing around. Bossing around, mentoring. Mentoring, yes.

1998 feature film, A Soldier's Daughter Never Cries. Oh. Yes. And so that was his first credit. Was that a TV movie or something? I don't even know. Yeah, it sounds a little TV movie or a lifetime movie or something like that. Or straight to video or something like that.

Yes, maybe. Okay. Alan Brooks, who played. The Inari Commander, 1979 feature film called Going in Style. Going in Style was Alan's first credit. We also have Bob Rudd, who played Brel, and his first credit was a 1994 film. Married People, Single Sex. And interestingly enough, 1994 was his first credit, but Voyager, this episode of Voyager,

was his final credit as an actor. I don't know what he went on to do. Yeah, and I couldn't find any obituary or any type of information on whether or not he's passed or not, but it seems, yeah, Bob Rudd just said, hey, I'm doing something else, you know. All right. And so that's it. That's a round up around. All right. Well, let's talk about this episode, the story here. So. Yeah. Okay. So we start with a, uh, a cool ship shot. It's on Voyager is on a planet. It's touchdown on this kind of deserty uninhabited planet. Yeah. We hear the captain's log saying that we've touched down on this uninhabited planet. We're doing maintenance.

and maintenance overhaul on the ship that's long overdue. There are shuttles off, looking for supplies. And I noticed this was a digital ship. This was not our model. This was definitely a digital ship, and it was really well done. And this was around the time that we were sort of transitioning from the model work,

those large-scale models that they had filmed into mostly digital stuff. And this was great. Yeah, you had people walking on. on the deck of the ship, on the outside of the ship. Great interaction with shuttles lifting off and things. It was just cool. Well, did you notice the shuttles were used to lift the equipment?

Equipment and it looked like they're pulling out structure, but the actual structural part of the nacelles was being lifted by the shuttle. And I thought, wow, that's interesting. We're not even using a crane. We're using a shuttle as a construction device. But, you know, if you're not in a shipyard and you're in the Delta Quadrant, you need to become a MacGyver, basically. You need a McGiver everything.

So that was pretty cool. Yeah. Oh, and one thing you left out is that. It was Torres. It was your honey that convinced Captain Janeway to do this major maintenance overhaul. Yes. Lieutenant Torres was bugging her for months. Yes.

We had to take care of this stuff. Yes. So then when we go into engineering, there's Bala, you know, on. mission. And the thing I laughed about was like, Janeway is chasing Bala around engineering. I've never seen Janeway chase anybody. Janway's like, you know, I don't know the dialogue, but she was like, you know, how's this going? How's that going? And Bala is just like tossing over her shoulder. You know, I don't basically, I don't have time for you, Captain. Like things are fine, but I got a lot to do. It was really funny. And this is seen where, where there's like a some kind

of blackout or something happens. Yeah, everything fritzes out. Suddenly the lights come back on unexpectedly for Bologna. And she's like, what happened? And Echab's back there. And he says, oh, I just fixed a charge imbalance or something in the, some matrix. And Janeway and Bala are both impressed. But I immediately went, wait a minute, Bala's being super friendly.

Oh. Like, what is going on? And then Janeway assigns Echab. to engineering, like he's done that, fix that, you know, charge and balance so quickly,

you need to help us with these maintenance and repairs because you're so smart. But I just immediately thought, this is out of character for Bologna. She's never this friendly to anybody. Why is she being so sort of coy? Which we'll see later in the episode,

right? It's to, you know, amplify E. Echab's feelings about, about Bala being flirty or having a crush on him, but it just seemed like, I don't know, I would have had her be much more normal

and have him just pick up on the littler things rather than, yeah, yeah. I mean, Bala's not even that nice to me, to Paris. And she wasn't, you know, why suddenly is Echab, like, is it because he's the boy genius? Is that why she's so nice to him? I don't know. But frankly, when he popped up, I'm like,

oh, man, I had completely forgotten about that character. as if like it just wasn't even in my mind and now because it's been a while since we've seen each ab right so now yeah he pops in and um uh has this scene and you're right very uncharacteristic of her to be so nice because she's usually not that way with anybody including you right so why would she be nicer to him than she would be to her her love so yeah it's weird it was a little weird we go inside the delta flyer there's uh neelix Harry Seven is there. The first thing we see is this fly by, and then we see this foot shot.

Was it like Neelix's feet? And then we hear. Yeah, he's sleeping. Yeah, he's sleeping. That's right. And the camera sees his feet. Yeah. And then suddenly he wakes up.

I play that weird alarm right there. And I kept thinking, God, they had so many options. And I feel like Paris would have programmed that Delta Flyer. to have a funnier sounding like a funny alarm or you know what i'm saying like the like if it was the horn from the the walton's car gunguga something like that you know just you know from the something from the 20th century that would have been that would have been cool yes that tom paris would have been into a sound that we're familiar with so but harry is driving he's driving again by the way harry has been driving the delta flyer a couple times in a row yeah um we find out they're scouting for

dilythium and some nearby nebula and they have scanned and come up with nothing they've scanned like four times nothing and then suddenly there's some small weapons fire around them and there's a vessel approaching there's another vessel becomes visible decloaks basically yeah and we realize there's a bit of a battle going on and the one that decloaks asks for help and neelix wants to help and harry's like no we can't get involved in a fight you know prime directive and all but neelix kind of begs like you know we have to help these people they need our help i think they say that it's like a hospital ship or something right a medical yeah well they say it's we're on a humanitarian mission humanitarian we're delivering medical supplies

medical supply yeah they're playing the the you know the feelings card the oh yeah really hard here neelix they've hooked neelix he wants to help and here yeah because kim is already like no forget it we're not even going to get no we're not going to get involved we're backing up reverse course. And Neelix is the one that convinces Harry. Yeah, we should help these people. Yeah. So Harry comes up with the way to disable the attacking ship's weapons. We cut onto the Kraylor Bridge next. Yeah. And Harry and Neelix beam over to this medical humanitarian ship, supposedly. Lots of wounded there. We realize that the captain and all the officers are dead except for one. This is Terrick, who has no experience on the bridge. I mean, in that one,

attack, which didn't look that that bad. Yeah, no, it didn't look that bad, but they've killed half the people on the ship. Fifty-six crew members. There's only 27 left. So after a few hits, which clearly didn't do that much of damage. There's all these dead

people. So they're very, very fragile aliens. They seem very sympathetic still. Yeah. And they say there's only, basically only passengers left alive and this one guy on the bridge who doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah. Do you remember the name of this race? They are the Kraylor?

They're the Kraylor, but then the people that are firing at them are the... Anari or? Yeah, yeah. And Anari, do you know what Anari is in Japanese food? It's a little pocket of, it's like a soy base pocket with rice inside there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, every time they were talking about the Anari, I kept thinking about sushi. Yeah, so whoever's editing this, maybe they can flash up an image of,

anari um pat thing pocket things just to show okay anari you're making me hungry i know harry does decide to help them and he kind of does some stuff and brings the warp back online yeah um and harry goes even deeper and says we're going to have to go deck by deck yeah to restore these systems and they basically say well we want to we want to fix the cloak our cloaking device first seems very important to them right and then we go into one of their whole always i think next right uh yeah we're we're kind of like it looks like it's their engineering area maybe something but we're kind of work harry's working on on fixing all the damage and terrick's with him and terricks you know terry's amazed terry's like wow how did you disable the anari so quickly

and and then you know harry starts talking about well you know it's all part of my training it's my starfleet training and terrick asked about that and the the best question is when terrick goes oh so how long have you been captain and Harry's like no no no I'm just an ensign he doesn't even know what ensign is like most people in the western in the world right now ensign is such a you know very I think a very small percentage of people even know that ranking because it's just a naval ranking only in the US military right you don't have ensigns in the army air force or any other branch of the military so yeah so he explains ensign is the most junior officer and we find out that Terrick is on his first deep space assignment. So Terrick is really Harry Kim

season one right now. Yeah. And, you know, Kim and Terrick have a bonding moment, basically. I feel like this is a time where Kim has become, in a way, a mentor or, you know, someone to to guide Terrick. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh, my gosh, so much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's been insane. Trip after trip. You've been doing your impersonation of me. Yes. You know what doesn't belong in everyone's epic summer plans, though?

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It was a nice shot. By the way, I thought LeVar did a really nice job directing this episode. Okay, so you did like his direction. Yeah, I did too. Yeah, I was hoping that. camera movement and it just yeah it was very elegant and very um very smooth everything about yeah nothing was nothing seemed out of place no yeah it moved well but there's this crane shot boulana's coming in to check on echeb and uh i noticed he's got a snack in there okay it looked

like nachos that's what i said didn't it she's he goes what's that he says oh the diagnostic of the anti-matter injectors he goes no no no the stuff you're eating and he goes nutritional supplements replicated to meet my metabolic requirements my requirements are nachos so and i said no he didn't say that but i didn't say that but it looked like nachos yeah goodness so and he's like and and he's eating while he's working so she's basically like hey you don't have to work all the time yeah you need to relax sometime have fun again i'm like who is this balana yeah why are you saying this why why I mean, here's the trick, right? Just to step back for a second.

You're telling a story where someone we know, Balana, we know her very well, is seen by another character in a way that's not quite right. Yeah. And the way they achieve that in this episode was to have the actress playing Balana do things that weren't normal to help that story. And I'm like, I would have been much more cautious about playing. her, you know, and maybe they meant to be more cautious, but they weren't because she was very different than we normally see her.

And it was only to help sell this story of Echab, seeing her like intentions and thinking that she's romantically interested, but I think it would have worked better if she had been more normal. And he had been reading into things that were normal. It just, it, it seemed strange to me. It seemed. It is strange, but you know, the way I validated the whole thing was I felt that she looked at him as he's a kid, you know, and usually when people are sort of short and curt and, you know, fiery like Bologna's character is, when they're, sometimes when they're dealing with kids, they get a little bit more like, oh, so, you know, what do you do for fun? Yeah, so that's how I thought of that. I thought of that too. Yeah.

but it still felt like it felt like we were intentionally playing her in a very different way than we ever see her okay so that this story would work and i feel like it actually could have worked better if she had been normal yeah and the kid without the experience was misinterpreting normal things as as romantic interest yeah yeah it's just like when paris came in and said um you know oh you should try drag racing i mean i'm jumping ahead but like yeah yeah And he's like, oh, are you challenging me? Right. I was like, yeah, let's go do it.

Let's have fun. Yeah. I feel like that worked because I wasn't being any different to him. Then you normally would be, yes. Like the story, the way he interprets it is, oh, that was a Klingon challenge for a mate. Right. But I wasn't playing it like it was, yeah, let's race. You know, if I had suddenly become Klingon like an aggressive and made it, it would have,

I see why he would have thought that. was a Klingon challenge for sure, but it wouldn't have been Tom Parris. Like, anyway, you get what I'm saying. Well, if she, I do get what you're saying, but if she, okay, if Roxanne was to play it where she was her normal self, her normal self as Balana, would that have been enough for this B storyline to even work at that point? I think so. Okay.

I think it would have worked better. Better. Okay. Because, you know, when you saw Balana running around engineering and Janeway chasing her, that i'm not i i don't think oh well now balana doesn't think janeway's captain because she's not respecting her right i just thought oh she's doing her job like that's how balana is yeah that looks like how balana's obsessive intense nature if she's got to do repair she would you know walk away from the captain because she's got a million things to do and and right force

the captain chaser i bought that yeah but i didn't buy when she was like stopping everything to go Hey, how's it going? You should come rock climbing with me. It was just like, what I love you? Anyway. Okay, let's move on. Moving on. Where are we?

I think we're in the Kralor. Kralor ship, yes. Now it's a very clean bridge. How they went from this complete destruction disaster, that unbelievable to like a beautiful bridge. I don't understand, but anyway. Harry's done it all by himself. I wrote down, Harry has repaired

and done a full detail cleaning. It's like you took it to the detail shop and polished and shine and armor all the everything. That's Harry's hidden talent. He's a good starship detailer. He details. It cleans the starship well. They've repaired the vessel.

And Logan, who's the head of, he says he's the head of this research team, basically says he says he's a doctor is what he says, right? Yes. He says, Harry should be. captain and bring them back because no one no one else can fly the ship back yeah and tarrick says he's only trained you know with shuttles right you know harry's worried about the prime directive again lokin says they've got this vaccine um to help all of these people that are dying on their

home world and they've got to get this vaccine back even neelix again gets involved neelks very sympathetic and neelix says you know the planet that they need to get to um is on on the way back to where Voyager is. So Harry's like, okay, all right. Seven is not happy. No. She's like, does not think this is a good idea. But Harry agrees.

And we go out to space and we see them cloak. We see this cloaking technology for the first time. And they cloak up and head off towards with Harriet as a captain, temporary captain. And then we're back on the bridge, I think, right? Yeah, well, it's a time, it's a bit of a time jump. And we, before, I know, before the bridge, we do have a part where we, like, we're heading back to the planet where we're supposed to deliver these vaccines. But as we approach the planet, we realize that, or seven detects, there's three alien vessels. Yeah, three in an orbit.

Are you orbiting around the planet. Right. And Harry's like, Voyager's in danger. Like, these are the guys that are attacking these super nice. prelors, these Anari are bad guys, hairy things. That's when we jumped to the bridge of Voyager. Got a worn Voyager. You're thinking, oh my goodness, our main heroes are about to be in danger, but then

now we flash to the Voyager Bridge. And Janeway is kind of in the midst of, it almost looks like she's giving a tour to Gerald or Geryl. I don't know how you pronounce that name, but she's just talking about possibly getting a trade done because we need certain resources. and they have certain resources. Yeah, she's giving him a tour. And by the way, I love the blocking and the shot that LeVar did here

because they come in on the bridge off the turbo lift. They walk on the upper level towards Harry Station. Then they go down to the next station. Yeah. And then they sort of fall into some coverage there. And it was just, again, elegantly done. A great flow to the scene. Yeah, very great flow.

The camera was moving. LeVar did a really good job. And, yeah, we realized they voice. Weager needs some deuterium injectors, and we offer some, what do we offer, zealic, zealytic ore. There you go. And that's when Harry Kim contacts suddenly, contacts them and ask, hey, Captain, is everything okay? And she's like, what? Why wouldn't it be?

Yeah, everything's fine. Harry talks about the several alien ships orbiting the planet. And James was like, you know what, that's cool. I mean, everything's fine, we've made some new friends, that's all. When you're coming back and Kim's like, you know, there's a bit of a delay, nothing bad, you know. Didn't find any dilithium, yeah, still looking for dilithium, captain, which is not true. Right. But he acts a little, you know, super friendly.

And even Gerald says, or Geryl says, we can get you dilithium too. So he does seem very friendly. He does seem very friendly. And that's the key word there for Janeway. she's like ha ha ha ha dilithium okay yeah we do see that uh loken on the craylor bridge says that looks like janeway and the annari they formed some kind of alliance and they seem really nice but you know they gain your trust and then they make you subjects of the anari and so yeah so kim is you know still suspicious and thinks that these uh this humanitarian ship is are the good guys

Yeah, I'm assuming Kim probably did a scan to detect when the Anari depart from Voyager, because that's when you are back, we're back on the Voyager bridge and you hear Kim hailing Voyager, and Janeway is like, oh, we didn't expect you so soon. And Harry's like, well, actually, I'm closer than I let on. I also have some friends of my own, which then leads us to the next scene in the briefing room where Loken is explaining his need for help, for assistance to get back to their home world. and with these valuable vaccines that they have, and of course we know later that it's not the truth, but Janeway's like, you know, okay. I'll think about it basically. I'll think about this, yeah.

And then he leaves, and Janeway and Harry continue to talk. I have to say in the scene in the briefing room, yeah, we had, you know, normally we're in space. So the lighting in there is always kind of that general space lighting. Generic space lighting. but this was golden hour lighting we were on the planet surface so outside the briefing room is the planet service so we had this really strong sunlight this golden sunlight coming in it looked like it was either uh it was sunset time right i mean it was beautiful it was gorgeous yeah it was really

nice to see that room sort of on a planet yeah just a different look i thought it was really cool and i think up until this point i've seen that i mean we've only really seen that i mean we've only really seen that type of light maybe once or twice, I think. We've seen it a couple of times before, but not the golden hour, though. It's been like regular daylight, but not this beautiful golden light that we got on this one. Yeah, it was pretty. It was very pretty. But basically, Janeway says to Harry in the briefing room, like, you put me in a tough position, and, you know, we could use the help of the Anari. They're offering to give us supplies that we need, and Harry basically pleads for a chance to help.

Yeah, Janeway says, I guess I could spare Chacote or Tuvok to do the job. And Harry's like, no, no, no, no. The Kraylor, they're already familiar with me. So, you know, why don't I just take care of this? Yeah. And his first real command, he says he's been dying for, for, he even says, like, if we were back home, I would be, you know, a lieutenant or, you know, far beyond this. I would have promoted a couple of times.

But being out here is kind of why I haven't had the opportunity. to you know go up through the ranks and right so she allows him to go back but she sends seven with him and since seven doesn't have a rank i do outrank her yes yes happens at the end yeah i like that we go to the doctor's office egypt comes in and he comes in for some he says for a hollow emitter but it's clear pretty quickly that he's not really there for anything serious he wants to know how do you tell if someone has romantic feelings for you and the doctor says well you know, compliments or invitations for social activities, finding excuses to be in close proximity. And he said, well, could that happen in a normal relationship that's not romantic?

Yeah. The doctor's like, yeah, sure, it could. But, you know, he kind of gives him some advice, basically. And each of, once he's got some advice and feedback from the doctor, he literally leaves without getting the hollow emitter or anything. So clearly he wanted this feedback. Yeah. He did. But before he leaves, the most important part of that scene is Egypt says, is there any way to be absolutely sure about this? And the doctor says, well, other than an open declaration of affection, there are some very reliable physiological responses, elevated blood pressure, increased beta endorphin production. And that's when he bolts out, because now he's got his information. He knows he can scan the Bologna. Yeah. We go to a corridor and there's Tom and Harry.

Tom wants to come along. Yeah, and this is the first time we see you, though, Tommy. So 19 minutes in, yep, in 37 seconds, we see Tom Paris. Yeah. Tom wants to join Harry on this, you know, escorting them back. But Harry says, you're a married man now, and, you know, you need to stay here. And it's interesting because Harry in the end, he's like, he says, basically, Tom, it's always been like Captain Proton. And I'm always Buster Kincaid.

And now it's my turn to be Captain Proton. But you do bring up, it's about a girl, isn't it? There's a girl on that ship, which is funny because, yeah, typically it is about a girl, but not in this case. Not in this case, true. We go to the mess hall. There's Neelix, asks Harry, you know, what he wants for dinner, offers a couple choices. He calls me captain, too, which is kind of cool.

Yeah. Yeah. But Harry's like, ah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, whatever. And Nielis is like, wrong answer. You've got to be decisive. Oh, yeah, that's an important line. I mean, he says, if you're going to be a captain, you have to act like a captain. Never admit you're uncertain about anything. You can't be indecisive in front of your crew. And now, I just want to throw in here. This is the reason why I wasn't a huge fan of Enterprise early seasons because I love Scott Bacula. I absolutely adore Scott Bacula.

And in interviews, he talks about his choices of how he played Archer in the beginning. And he said, because he's such an early Starfleet captain, he wanted to play it with indecision, where he wasn't sure if he was doing the right thing, if he wasn't. And to me, it seemed like he wasn't a captain, exactly what this speech talks about with Neelix. It just seems like Archer comes off as a first officer. So that was my issue with Enterprise. Interesting. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it's very well said by Neelix here about being decisive and what it takes to be a leader. And at the end, I think Harry goes, Neelix, what does he say about what he wants to eat? Pull me, yeah, pull me soup. Make sure it's hot, something like that. Make sure it's hot. Yeah. Yeah. You went from like, oh, whatever, doesn't matter to like mad about it. Yeah. It's like, okay. I'm going to say this whole, this entire episode is, it's just pretty much Neelix is the reason why we, I save these people. He's the reason why. He's the reason. why it become a little tough and hardcore because, you know, he's kind of, he's kind of pushing me

in that direction in a way. Yeah. So, yeah. We go back to the Kralor Bridge. There's Harry, seven enters. Harry and seven both enter. Yeah. Tarik says, uh, captain on the bridge when Harry walks in. And Harry's like, how, how do you know about that? Yeah. And Terrick says, well, I've been studying Starfleet and he studied the manual that I loaned him. Yeah. Yeah. And then he asked the ship, name and what is it named it's like medical transport one three sex yeah so and kim's like yeah yeah i can go ahead and name it something else better than that uh nightingale named after a famous individual florence nightingale who treated wounded soldiers on the battlefield and lokin likes it he's like ah it's perfect and by the way the name loken all you think of was christana logan

who guest starred in on voyager her last name is basically the name of our alien and And Harry basically hails Voyager telling Janeway that we're about to head off. Jamie says, good luck. And Kim says, see in a few days. Kim. We have a acting captain's personal log from Harry, which is the first time you ever hear that. That was nice. And then see him rearranging his desk.

And he's got like, I don't know, paper weights. And he walks around. There's a saxophone on a stand. and i remember this i actually remember this scene and i remember lebar was like like oh at the beginning of the scene garret i just need you to just straighten things out make it your own you know and i'm like okay all right i'll just kind of move things around and um i guess i'll make because there wasn't a lot of stuff there's a no there wasn't much so it was a little bit of a you know i i felt like oh i don't know if this is going to play but it looked okay it wasn't it was a horrible scene yeah

well it was weird to see the saxophone and all that stuff to me over over the um the captain's log but then when seven comes in it's like why are you decorating we're only going to be here a couple days at least they they owned it like they did own it yeah they put it in the dialogue because if you had done that and no one had commented on it'd be like right it's weird he's only there for a couple days like yeah moving in decorating the place but harry does say yeah i'm decorating because you know captains need to have a personal relationship with their vessel that's very important uh kim asked if there's anything else in seven basically says well i asked terrick to make a course correction and then kim immediately is like

what he's never done that before oh i i better check and seven's like look i think he can do this himself and kim doesn't even listen to that you know burst onto the bridge he's like status tariff's like would you write i wrote down micromanagement yeah that was exactly it micromanaging taric but uh yeah so we go to the bridge and harry's checking terrick's work and he literally pushes him out of the seat and says, you know, let me, let me show you how it's done. Oh, God. So difficult for me to film this scene because I hate being micromanaged and I had to play the micromanager on this one.

Yeah, you did. Oh, I don't want to do this. But I did it. But I did it. You pushed him out of the seat. We cut to seven at the end of the scene and she's like, oh, yeah, yeah. She's like, size. And it was funny.

Like, the entire time seven can see everything so clearly, right? So I felt like she should have come up earlier to have a conversation. Just said, dude. Yeah, geez. Let me shake you out of this, like fog that you're in. Like, come on, man. Just let him do his job. That's it.

Oh, so now we're in the Jeffries 2 with your lovely, lovely lady. Oh, my God. Again, I wrote down too flirting. What is going on? She's never this friendly to anybody. But then when he grabs that thing from her, he grabs her hand first. I'm like, what are you guys doing? Stop it.

I don't want to see this. If that had happened and she didn't have any romantic intention, she would have been like, each of what are you doing? Yeah, totally. Let go my hand. Stop being creeper. You're just a creeper. But I felt like she was being a creeper.

Like, again, and this is not, this is not Robbie's jealousy of a relationship on the show with Tom and Belana. This is just as a viewer, I don't buy it. Okay. Like, I really didn't. But I buy Harry feeling like he's got a micromanage. I buy all that. I buy Harry taking himself a little too seriously or, you know, whatever.

I buy all that. I don't buy. I don't buy Janeway chasing Bologna around the thing. Yeah. I would have felt like Janeway would have stood her ground and let Bala bounce around. Yeah. And are you done yet? You want to talk to your captain now?

Because I've been standing here or whatever. But there were some things in this that were. inconsistent a character for me so i also think torres would have would have you know would have given pause to that one time that in this scene when egypt says well wouldn't you prefer to spend time with your husband your free time with your husband yeah i think at that time she would have went wait wait what do you wait you think that i like you i think that's where this should have happened in this scene where she would have realized oh you think i like you but no no she doesn't get it yet but they kind of have this flirty thing

working in the Jeffers tube and then she stands up through like a portal in the top at the very end and he quickly grabs his tricorder and scans her body her no it was weird it was weird it was weird

and he's like scanning her thighs when he didn't when he pulled it out I think he almost dropped it and so he kind of like he kind of regained control so it looked like he was trying to scan her but I rewound it. He didn't scan her leg.

It was just a little awkward. But I do think that that Manu played that well, though, because the realization is like, the doctor's told me this and it's right. The blood pressure is elevated. Yeah, like the way he, his realization that, because in his mind, Balana is in love with him at this point.

Yeah, that's scientific evidence. It's scientific evidence. I have the proof. And I think that the way he played at, his reaction on his face was priceless. It was just like, she's up high. He's like, oh, my God. It's just, without any lines, he played it very well.

So good job to Manu on that one. I've never seen, by the way, portals going up in the Jeffries tube. We always have to climb to the end. It's always horizontal, correct? So it's not a vertical tube. Always horizontal until you get to a junction and then it goes up and down. I've never seen us like just stand up in the middle. You can't.

In a normal Jeffries tube, you're not able to stand up. You have to be crawling the entire time. We're back to the Kraylor Bridge. Yeah. Harry is in the captain's chair. there's an alarm. There's a power fluctuation in the propulsion system. Seven says it's destabilizing the cloak. Kim says I'll stop. The ship ends up decloaking. And the next scene, we're now in the engineering area for the Kraylor ship.

I call this the warp core room of the Kralor ship with the tiniest warp core I've ever seen in space. It is the tiniest. It was like a little popsicle stuck right there. Yeah. But to me, it felt like my vacuum. cleaner is bigger than their work. No, no, no. This is what. I feel like my Dyson vacuum cleaner is larger than the engine that drives their ship. Okay.

First of all, it's a small ship. It's not a full size starship, okay? Secondly, it reminded me of, okay, you remember a traditional hot water, 50 gallons, 70 gallon, 100 gallon of hot water heater, okay? That's in a house. All of a sudden, I don't know, maybe 25 years ago, companies had these, you didn't even have to have the heater anymore. You had this tiny box that was like instant heat, right? So it just went through that box and it heated it quickly. So you didn't have to have the huge thing

anymore. So I thought, oh, it's kind of like that. So you're thinking this thing, this thing is smaller than my vacuum cleaner. But I was like, oh, this is advancement in technology. No, I was like, no, this is cheaping out on the set costs. They just didn't because it would be expensive to build a big work. Yes, of course. No, we'll just build a vacuum. cleaner size. Okay. But we're in that tiny warp core and repairs are being made. Kim says,

Kim dismisses actually Seven recommends that they run a full diagnostic. And he's kind of starting to dismiss. It's getting a little power crazy here. Yeah. Not listening to some advice. Not at all. Seven even says, you know, Jane, we wanted us back before Voyager finished repairs. Right.

We need to get moving. Not only does he dismiss. But he dismisses Loken. Loken's like, look, this system is super delicate. He's like, well, you know what, correct me if I'm wrong. But you're a physician. And, you know, you have to trust me on this. So we're going to monitor to see closely.

It's getting a little power crazy here. Oh, huge, big time. But when they're alone, Seven tells Harry that she discovered a serious flaw in the whole ship systems, right? You know, she goes, I've discovered a serious flaw in one of the ship systems. One of the ship systems. which one what is it yeah he's like what is it the captain i love that i love that action she's like you're issuing orders you're having a seven is reality check right now yeah she's like

instead of issuing orders and having other people carry them out as most captains are supposed to function you're doing issue an order and you carry out people and you do it yes and harry's like well they're not experienced and i've got to do all this she's and she's like um you know when When you came on Voyager, Janeway supported you to learn. That's right. And she didn't do the work for you. She gave you a lot to do so that you could learn and gain confidence. So that's a great.

That's a great scene. It is a good scene. We're back on the Kralor Bridge now. And as predicted, Harry didn't listen. The primary generator does fail. Yeah. As does their cloak. And now all these Anari ships move in.

they count six Anari ships out in space. We go out to space. We do see it decloak and the six ships start firing. We go back and forth between the bridge and engineering. By the way, I did like both Anari and Traylor ships, by the way. I did too. They look good. But during this little firefight, we cut between the vacuum cleaner warp room and the bridge.

And Harry's like evasive maneuvers. and Seven says the primary generator's failing. And then there's this big hit on the, on the, I think it was on the bridge. Yeah. And it was a cool stunt moment. Like great. Tons of stuff.

No, no, no. When, okay, when seven says primary generator has failed. Yeah. She's not on the bridge. She's an engineering. She's an engineering. And the explosion is what knocks her and another, you know, Oh, that's right.

Kraylor N.D. It was in the engineering, but it was a cool explosion. Yeah, it was a very good explosion. and whoever is whoever was jerry ryan's stunt double did a good job getting back with the hands flying back flying back yeah really good um harry calls for seven he's an answer he starts to go terrick says we no you can't go down there we need you here and dail dela dela dela says oh yeah i'll go i'll go dala volunteers which is a classic redshirt move if she's going to go on soon.

Yeah, but she's important, though. She's like the right-hand person to Loken. So I'm assuming scientist number two, right? You would think so. But Harry says, I'll talk you through all this over the calm. We go out to space with some more lots of shots out there, lots of firing of weapons. Yeah.

And we go back to engineering. We see Dela dragging seven out. And I was like, first of all, she sort of dragged her around the corner. dropped her probably on a pad or something that was out there to be a nice comfortable. I kept looking, Robbie, did you, I thought it was a mannequin. I kept saying there's no way that she has the strength to pull her out that easily and just kind of fling her onto the ground.

I know how hard it is to move a human being, and it's, it looked easy to her. I was confused here, because I'm like, why is she, if she's trying to get the primary, you know, generator power back online, why does she care about moving seven right now? And why? Because life support was failing down there. That's why she felt that seven would die. If it's failing, I don't know. It was weird.

It was like, put her outside and shut the door. And I'm going to like lock myself in this room where everything's failing. It just was not smart. I don't know. Who told her to do that? If Harry told her to do that, bad captaining. I didn't say that. But it was like, it was just weird.

I did not order her to do that. I guess what I'm saying is I knew immediately when we put the series regular out in the hall and shut the door on ourselves, it's basically a suicide mission. Okay. And it wouldn't have been better if she said that. Like, you know, I'm going to stay in here. And, you know, even if I die, I'm going to do everything I can. Like, at least say it.

But I don't know, it was weird. So we go back and forth between the Kraylor Engineering Room with Dela and, then Kralor Bridge with Kim just asking about what's the field polarity. She says 206.4. He says that's too low. We have to raise it. Dela says she's going to bypass the phase converter. And that's when Harry micromanages again.

He goes, no, no, no, I didn't tell you to bypass the phase converter. Dela says, well, won't that increase the field polarity? Kim's like, yes. But wait, listen to me. Listen to me. I want you to try. All of a sudden, Loken jumps in. He says, Dela, it's Loken, take the core offline.

And Harry's like, what are you talking about? And then all of a sudden, Logan gets all science-science-y. He's a bypassed, the driver, shunt the power directly, Polarov Matrix, all this stuff. Cloak is back online. And Harry's like, get us out of here, full impulse, secure engineering section. And we get back to the bridge, Dela. And that's when Logan says. But here's the thing.

Before she dies, when she's doing all those things, she does do a little, she does like one little, it was a very light. It goes from like, oh, I got to tick. in my throat, too. I'm dead. And I, so I'm sorry. That is, that is the one part of this episode that annoyed the crap out of me. I'm like, wait a minute. She just died

like a, but then again, we've already established a fact that from 54 crew members, half of them died very easily. So I'm, I'm just going to say that they're very sensitive. They're very sensitive to everything. These aliens, they're very delicate. The Kraylor are the most fragile

aliens in the Delta Quadrant. Okay. That's all. That's the only thing. Okay. We go to, I guess Loken comes in. Is this a quarters or where is this? Or are their medical bay? I couldn't tell where this was. I think this is in a crew, like a Craylor crew quarters area.

Yeah, because there's no, there's no sick bay here. It doesn't seem like, right? Even though they're supposedly taking medical supplies. They have no medical facilities. But Loken enters and Dale is dead and Harry's checking. yeah he's scanning her with a tricorder right which is not even it's not a medical tricorder it's like a regular tricorder and then he hands it to he hands it to loken and says what do you think we should do doctor yeah logan sort of looks at tricorder and then

holds it really funny like clearly doesn't know he's not doing anything he has no clue what's happening slides it around and he says yeah yeah and there he goes after he goes I believe she may be in shock. Harry says, well, do you think we should give her a cortical stimulator, a stimulant? And Logan's like, well, that might be the right, you know, way to go. And then that's when Harry knows. He goes, you're not a doctor. I'm going to talk to you alone.

And so now we're in the captain's ready room of the cradleorship. And Kim's like, what the heck is happening? Logan tries to play it off. He's like, no, what are you talking about? And Harry's like, nothing adds up. Nothing adds up. you know more about the cloaking systems than biology so did de la and then uh the second our cloak failed half a dozen annari warships come after us one little tiny medical transport so give me the

truth and um you know he does admit it he says it's not vaccines it's the cloaking it's the cloaking technology we're trying to get this cloaking technology back home yeah because we've been blockaded and how long was it blockade for three years that's what he said yeah people are dying because of this blockade and this cloaking technology would help help them survive and but harry's like it's not it's military it's not humanitarian like you're right right it's a complete lie but that's a long blockade that's that's a three year i mean i'm surprised they're even still alive after that amount of time it's like my goodness harry's done at this point he's like we're going back so he goes to the bridge tells them to turn around we're going to head back to voyager yeah and logan logan tells

Terrick, oh, he knows about the cloak, and Terrick feels bad. Terrick looks at Harry and says, look, I would have told you, but you know, and Harry's like, look, I gave you an order. Terrick says, well, what about this mission that we're supposed to go to our home planet? And Kim's like, no, that's that's not your concern.

We're going back to Voyager. Yeah, if you're, if you want to be an officer, you need to follow orders. And Terrick's like, nope, I don't, no, I don't think so. No, basically it's a mutiny. There's a mutiny and then Loken relieves him of duty. So Harry's temporary

captainship seems to be over for the moment. And there's a mutiny. They're not listening to him anymore. They're going to take back the ship. We go to a corridor on Voyager back to the Echup story. Before we get in the quarter, can I say one thing?

When we were doing the intro, I talked to you about there's one huge glaring error in this episode, hope maybe you'll find it. And it started in the scene where Harry takes Loken aside and says, you know, what the heck's going on? From that scene forward, if you notice, Harry has makeup on his face, but not his neck. Really?

Oh, my God. Okay, because typically I have a couple people that will do one person that will be my main guy, which was Mark Shostrom, Shostrom would do my makeup, you know, and everyone else was able to do my makeup but this was a individual who ended up um was a day checker then ended up being like more of a regular person and i'm not going to call them out about this their name but i'm just going to say they forgot to do my entire neck oh no so this is kind of darker and this is lily white practically and i was so i was so upset i was i remember walking back into the trailer after seeing this episode air,

I walked, the next time I worked after this episode aired, I walked in and talked to that makeup artist. I was like, did you watch the last episode that we did where you did my makeup? And they were like, no, I didn't see it. I said, you missed all of this. And they were like, so, yeah. Yeah, because you've got to take whatever you put on the face

and kind of blend it down. Bring it down, yeah, right to the collar. Because otherwise it looks like makeup. It does. And that. Can you imagine if we did prosthetics on aliens and we just didn't meet here and they just stopped right here. Yeah, if Neelix's face stopped right here, and then everything right here was John, was Ethan Phillips. Everything here is just

his neck. It would look odd. So that, yeah. And so really that pulled me out of it when I was initially watching this. Yeah, but if you didn't notice it, that's good. And to be perfectly honest, I noticed it less now than I did back then. Back then, I caught it so quickly. And I was like, holy molly this was a huge error but also that's on me too i mean i should also be looking maybe in the mirror like okay are my am i good for this scene and oh my neck's gone but yeah you know my neck's not covered uh but typically when you have this many lines all you can think about is get my lines right and get my lines down a lot of words yeah and a lot of words my only my only um critique of my a lot of my performance here is that sometimes when I was trying to remember my lines,

I start hand acting. I start gesticulating because it's a way. Yeah, the gesturing is a way for me to help or remember a line or I was getting a little a little foggy on what the next part of my speech was. Yeah, it's funny like, you know, when people give speeches like, you know, reading a speech, you'll notice that there is often, when someone's at a podium, they're teaching or lecturing or speaking. There will be emphasis because that's a situation where hand emphasis makes sense.

But in real life, people don't, people generally don't use their hands very much. It's not a natural thing. No. And Janeway, when she does use her hand, she does this. She'll just bring her hand up like this and she'll talk. So let me get this straight. I think so there isn't a lot of like hmm hmm and then that and that

and I was I felt like if I was able to yeah I don't remember that so again yeah so you didn't you didn't notice that that I was extra handsy but if I was do this again we'd tie your hands behind your back oh hell yeah tie them behind my back yeah handcuffs

whatever it took I remember one of the acting classes I was in that the teacher actually taped the uh she taped one actor's eyebrows down because he would always act with his eyebrows they was like her, and she was like, no, this is your facial mugging, you know. It's funny because that reminds me when I was in acting school, we had a class that was traditional classical mask work.

So it was a Comedia del Arte, French mask work. And I love the class. I loved it. Because you would put on these leather, you know, these beautifully handmade masks that had either neutral faces or different expressions. And you would work the scene. And in the beginning, we did no words. It was just just moving.

Miming almost, like going through behavior with a mask on. Right. And then you get into dialogue and things. But I love the class because when you put the mask on, it takes away that sort of, you know, eyebrow acting or facial acting. Yes, it does. You can't do it. It's not going to do anything. No one's going to see it.

You've got the mask on. With a mask on, suddenly you start feeling it. I did at least. Yeah. I would feel the behavior. the situation, the scene much more deeply with that mask on. And it felt safer for some reason. It sounds like this would be a good exercise for all actors to engage in mask work.

Yeah. It was really a great class. So, okay. So we're back in our story. We go into a corridor. Paris is walking with Echib. He even asks, you know, should I be worried about you and my wife going, you know, climbing together?

Kind of joking. But at least he's like, you know, I liked this little scene because at least Paris was like calling it as it is. Yes. But Ichb is so nervous in this whole scene that you're about to, that you're going to crush him essentially, right? That you're going to take him out. But yeah, Paris is his normal self, which is fine, which is exactly what we need, right? He's not going to do anything different from who he is. Even invites him to this holodeck program.

He says, oh, you know, if you like climbing, you know, you should try my race. our program. That's super fun. And Ichab completely misinterpreted this. And he's like, are you proposing a competition? You're challenging me? Challenging me? Yeah. So then we go into engineering and Echab comes in and he says, we can no longer see each other. You're a married woman. And you know, your husband just challenged me to a Klingon ritual competition. And she's like, what? He's like, I scanned you. He's like, you scanned me. I mean, Roxanne's reaction, you scanned me?

Yeah, in the Jeffrey's tube, your blood pressure, neurotransmitter readings indicated a state of arousal. Torres, like, look, it was hot. I've been a lot under a lot of pressure. And I'm climbing through tubes. Yeah. And he's like, Egypt, I like you. But, you know, aside for the fact that I'm an older woman, I'm married. And then Egypt, it still doesn't get it.

He's like, well, that's why you have to do the honorable thing. And I love how Roxanne played it. She's like, okay. Fine. All right. You're right. As much as the truth hurts, I'll just have to face the truth.

It's very funny. It's very good. I was glad that the scene happened finally. The last two scenes, the parisine and this scene. I was like, enough of this weird. Enough of this weird story.

Let's get out of this entire. Let's please get out of this. Yeah, but played well, though. Played well by Roxanne. Good job. Played great. We go to back to the Kraylor ship. Yeah.

Harry's going to visit seven. Yeah. He sits up and... Man, she sits up so quickly. She sets up very easily. Like, there's no damage to her. She's like, yep, boom, good to go. Yep.

Well, yeah. He explains that there's been a mutiny, basically, that they lied and... There's no vaccine. Yeah. Yeah. And Harry goes, you know what? We can get out of here. We can take these escape pods.

She's like, well, wait a minute. You can't just ditch. Like, you're responsible. You've gotten this involved. You can't just shut it off like at some holiday. program that you're not enjoying anymore this is reality yeah like we've got to uh we've got to see this through and these these people won't get home without you you've you've started this journey you've got to finish it and i thought that was a really good scene i liked it is a good

scene and hey you know harry brings up that dela died right someone died following my orders and someone's like you know you can't blame yourself for that captain uh uh she goes you can't blame yourself for that and harry's like well captain is responsible for the lives of the crew and Seven says we know people sometimes die on missions despite the captain's best efforts and Kim says well I should have stuck to playing Buster Concade seven says a holiday program can be turned off when it no longer suits you you know if you really feel responsible for this crew you'll help them get home because they will not survive without you so yeah you can turn off a holiday program but you can't turn off your responsibility as a captain at all good scene it's a good I feel like this is a really good scene and it feels at the heart of the story in a way of like what Harry's learning is that being a captain is not as easy as maybe he fantasized about getting these promotions

or whatever. He's dealing with the reality and Seven's a good mirror for that. Right. We go back to the Kraylor Bridge. We do so an exterior shot of two Nari ships that are releasing these crazy pulses that sort of just, they're like scanning pulses is what it is.

And so the beginning of this scene on the Kralar Bridge, Terrick is asking if that's some new kind of a weapon and Locan says no they're scanning pulses to illuminate cloaked ships if we hit one will be exposed so Terrick is like well how we're going to get through and that's when Kim

sort of says hey we'll find away that's he walks in right at that point yeah Logan's like I thought you were leaving buddy and Kim's like nah I get claustrophobic and escape pods and he says switch to manual helm control full power to the shields and Logan nods

over at Terrick and Terrick says, I, captain, so Harry's got his captainship again. This scene to me was, it happened too quickly for me. Yes, I was like, wait, they just let him take, they're going to follow him suddenly without having a conversation about like, are you really going to help? Like, he showed up and they're like, okay, you're back? Yeah. Well, you can take over. It was a little too fast for me.

But we go down to the planet again where Voyager is sitting on the surface. another angle of Voyager down there. I was very impressed with all those visual effect shots of the ship. It was just different angles every time look cool. We go to the bridge on Voyager

and Gerall or is it Gerol? Do they ever say his name? I don't think so. I don't think so. So let's just say Gerald or Gerald. Gerald. Gerald. Gerald comes back and this time he comes

He comes back, he's going to escort Voyager out of Anari space. Yeah, he did actually, he's on, so he hails them. So he's not on the ship. Yeah, he's not on the ship, but he's back in the story. Yeah. And he found out that they've attacked some of his ships or some of his ships have been shot at by the Delta Flyer a few days earlier. And he also detected two of their people on a Kralor vessel. Right.

And they have five minutes to get out of here. Yeah. And also now, no deterium in. injectors, no dilithium, nothing. We get nothing except for an escort to leave. And she has no choice. Like Janeway is basically like, well, I have to comply with this. Like, it is what it is. It is what it is. We go back to the Kralor Bridge and Harry is, you know, tossing out orders here, stay 100 meters ahead of every pulse, but don't return fire because then they could triangulate our position right easier which was smart very smart little move yeah he does appear to offer like a negotiation

with them he says yeah he says open a channel to the lead an ary ship right so he says that they're willing to discuss uh terms for surrender and he says end transmission and logan is like how dare you you know we we trusted you as the captain and harry basically off harry offers to he says let us get the people back to their planet and we will give you this cloaking. Yeah, you can have this damn ship. Yeah, you can take it. But let's let everyone get off of this ship safely. And the Anari commander agrees.

He's like, yeah, okay, I'm down for that. So Harry's basic plan is to use the tractor beam of this, this Anari ship to propel the nightingale as fast as it. It's sort of like a slingshot effect when you're holding one person holds a rubber band and the other person releases it. It shoots the rubber band the other way. so that's kind of what Harry's plan is. That would get them inside the defense perimeter.

Yes. And they'd be safe. That's all they need. And they'd have their ship. Yeah. Basically use their own weapons against them. Mm-hmm. Someone says.

Yes. So the cloak. Yeah. The cloak is disengaged. The slingshot happens. They're heading into the defense perimeter. It's a super tight close-up on Kerry when he says, take us to the surface at the end or something.

Yeah. So, yeah, nice, nice big close up there, hero moment. Hero moment, for sure. And honestly, again, when I watched this, when it aired for the first time on UPN, the minute I saw the neck thing, I tuned out. Like, I didn't, I just, yeah, I was like, you know what? Like, this episode, I can't even watch it. Like, I was just a zombie at that point.

I kept thinking, I can't believe they missed that. And so I didn't really watch myself as captain. And I think other than the excessive hand movements, I think I did an okay job in this one. It really came off pretty well. And I'm happy with it, definitely. It was nice to see Harry in a different kind of dynamic in relationship with people than the young, eager ensign.

It was nice to see to have that change. We go to a Voyager fly by, Voyager's back in space. they've left that planet they're being escorted out of anari space janeway tells chokote in paris to take the flyer we're going to have to go find harry and seven when suddenly wait take the flyer isn't the flyer in the in the hold of the that's what i thought but then i started thinking wait harry came back on the ship remember you came back to tell the captain hey can i help these people and i it's not clear but i think when you came back on the the ship you must have put the flyer back in on our ship so when it was in the vacuum cleaner ship

yeah but but then what didn't didn't the uh didn't the other annari guy uh gerald didn't he say like hey i detected the hull of your shuttle inside that ship so i maybe he's just detecting residual yeah i think it's they detected earlier but i think the time that you put the flyer back on on Voyager was when you came down and said, hey, I'm going to help these people get home. It's a little muddy. I had the same.

Well, here's the thing. Why would I put that back? Because if I'm helping them, that's our way off to come back to Voyager. I think they screwed up. I think someone missed this entirely. That's my take on this. Maybe.

Wow. Because Janeway does say to Chacote and Paris take the flyer until two back to go. Yeah. It was a little confusing. Right, right. So they're trying to bring long range sensors on to find Harry's last known position. And the two-fogs's like, oh, wait a minute. And St. Jim's hailing us.

Do that? Yeah, he's hailing us right about now. And James was like, from where? A cloaked vessel, it's directly astern. So I'm right next to Voyager right now, which is great. We have an acting captain's log again. New cloaking systems are being installed in other Kraylor ships. So the mission was a success.

Harry says, still, I wish I felt better about it. And we have our final button scene. Our final scene is in mess hall with Neelix. Neelix says, welcome home. Harry's like, you know, it's good to be back. So what's it going to be tonight, souffle or lasagna? And Harry's like, you know, Neelix, truth is, I'm just not sure. And he says, I thought we talked about this.

You know, captain has to be decisive. And Kim's like, not a captain, Neelix. Not yet anyway. Not quite. Not yet anyway. Yeah. So I felt like, oh, this is great. This is the lead-in episode.

This is the episode which establishes the fact that, you know, down the road, Harry will show up as a captain at some point. Yeah. Yeah, there you go, Nightingale. What is your lesson that you have? What's the lesson that you got from this episode? The lesson I got was in that scene with Herring 7 when she says, you know, this isn't a video game. This is reality.

And in reality, the lesson to me is in reality, we all have to deal with the consequences of our choices. Right. And it's not a game that we can just shut off that we have to continue on for better or worse. You know, sometimes we make good choices and there's payoffs and sometimes we make. other, you know, not great choices, and there's a consequence and we have to deal with it. So that's the lesson to me. Yeah. What about you?

I think, yeah, that's definitely one of the lessons I got. Like, you know, you just can't act like an ostrich sticking your head in the sand when everything goes bad. So I do see that. But I think the other big message is about trust, trusting people to do their job that they're going to do and not having to do it for them. So really, the lesson is not to micromanage. That's a good lesson, too.

Yeah, that's something that everyone gets annoyed by. And you know what it is? I think most micromanagers are probably perfectionists in that they feel like, oh my gosh, I'm the one that can get this job done correctly, and I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway. And it takes a leap of faith to sort of give up that control, to being a control freak, and say, okay, I'm going to say this, someone else will do it, and I will realize that they can do the job as well as I can do it.

I can trust that they can get this job done. I don't have to micromanage everybody. So, yeah. So, you know, try to stay away from micromanaging everybody. That's my lesson on this one. Good lesson. Your rating. My rating, you know, there's a lot of things about this I love.

Obviously, I'm very happy for Harry getting, you know, a temporary captain's job, seeing a different side of him. But that whole Echab story just bugged me. on so many levels aside from the fact that it was just creepy so I'm going to give this episode and also here's the other thing

I like when there's humor in episodes and you know somewhere and there wasn't this was pretty straight ahead drama for the most part and maybe the ECHB story had a little bit I give this a 6.9 cut to the chase 6.9s

yeah I felt like there were some inconsist and characters and but i yeah that's what i give it what about you i'm going to give this a three what i'm kidding i'm going i'm going to give this a uh what are you doing i'm going to give this i'll give it a little higher than you i'm going to go 7.3 on this one 7.3 mm-hmm i mean just you know overall it it was an episode that had um good guest stars and it had uh a lot for my character to do that's for sure. So this is a big carry episode.

And so I'm going to give it 7.3. What about our admirals and captains average? Let me pull that up. Okay. Our captain and admirals average rating for Nightingale is 6.5. Hmm. So you and I were both a little higher. Yeah.

Because I do think there was good things in this episode. But there was enough. It was just inconsistencies. I didn't feel like Janeway was acting her normal way. I didn't feel like Balana was at all acting her normal way. Even the inconsistency with Harry, like, it was good to see the strength in him. Yeah. But I felt like where did all the other qualities of Harry go?

It's like all of a sudden we're watching a whole different character. Yeah. Rather than sometimes Harry doubts himself. And it would have been nice to have seen some of that or some of his own insecurities or worries or, you know, earnestness or some of those things in the story. over there. It just felt a little out. Everybody was playing a bit out of character for me. Okay. Fair enough. And the Delta Flyer just magically appeared back on Voyager. We don't know. We're going to go into even more depth in our bonus materials for sure on this episode. So we want to thank everyone for joining us for this recap and discussion of Nightingale, joined Robbie and I.

When we recap and discuss next week's episode, Flesh and Blood, parts one and two. So I guess they stuck both parts into one episode. Wow. Okay. So this is a two-parter. That's basically a one single episode. And that's weird. We don't do that.

It is very weird. We do Unimatrix Zero part one. And then the next week is Unimatrix Zero part two. But this episode is one and two together in an hour and 25 minute episode. What? Yeah. That's weird. That is super, super odd.

We'll see what that's about next week. But I'm, okay. That's, I'm very curious about that. Yeah, me too, me too. All right, for all of our Patreon and patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material.