The Delta Flyers - Prey

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Prey. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Prey:Seven of Nine disobeys Janeway's order to release a Hirogen hunter in the ship in order to subdue another deadly invader.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill, & our Post Producer Jessey MillerAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey,Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Melissa Lau, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Paul Young, Elly Post, & Brandon MayAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Bronwen Duffield, Red Wizard, Jessica B, & E.G. GalanoThank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers of Tom and Harry. As we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager, your two hosts along this journey, are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Well, hello there. Roby. Hello, I'm okay. Hello, I'm okay. How are you?

Happy podcast day to you. you happy podcast day to you too sir thank you yes you look like you're at your op station is that is that that that's the panel that's on the bridge that's behind janeway and choket so it's like between ops and tactical where tuvac is right yeah that's a nice panel i always liked that panel i remember we would sometimes just stand around and we kind of look at it we'd stare at it as if we were school children at a zoo exhibit we're like and we're like look That's where we are and look. Did you ever look to see like, yeah, we talked about, yeah, we would kind of like look at the different areas on the, on the map.

And sometimes I would look for my quarters. I would say, like, I wonder where Harry sleeps. And then I would kind of point, I think Harry sleeps over here. And then you would say, oh, well, I think Tom is over here. So, you know, we kind of have fun with it. It's a good, it's a good graphic. It really is. I like that graphic.

Yeah. It's very cool. Akuda, right? Akuta made this one. Okuda. Yeah, Mike and Denise made this. And it is, I think, at the time, one of the coolest Star Trek ships that had ever, at that point, it was super cool. It is. It still is super cool. It is. Can I just relate? Maybe I told you about this, but when Voyager is being cast, and I booked the role, Jonathan DeLarko, who plays Hugh Borg. and who is the significant other of my my my ex personal appearance agent I could say that yeah yeah that's who that's who he that's who he is to him he said he was he's messing with me as a friend

after I booked the role he's like you know what your ship looks like a spoon he would say that all the time he would say a joke I always thought our ship looked like a shark oh yeah that was always what I thought it was like a shark yeah that was always what I thought it was like a shark. Yeah. It's very, like, tactical and I like it. Aerodynamic and very cool. Yes, I like our ship.

I don't think it looks, I don't think it looks like a maybe a, maybe a soup spoon at a Chinese restaurant, maybe. But other than that, I still think it looks really cool. I love it. I agree. What's new on the McNeil front? What is new? I don't know.

Nothing really exciting, you know. It's working a lot. The holidays are coming up. Yeah. Very excited about the holidays. Yeah. oh my gosh the weather seems to be i know the holidays the weather seems to be crazy lately it's like extremes it's either really sunny or record rainfalls or windstorms or i don't know it's it's very

life is intense lately because the weather's intense yeah the weather is just but that's that's been happening for years now where the weather just gets more and more intense you you know Everyone's noticing that, right? Yeah, you know what that makes me think of is like when we went to the Delta Quadrant on Voyager, I wish we had dealt with weather more. You know what I mean? We did sometimes. Yeah.

But like there's got to be insane, like, you know, weather. I guess our environment was controlled on the ship, but we didn't really talk about, like, oh, we've never encountered this kind of environmental, you know, the Delta Quadrant. Maybe it would have very different weather than the Alpha Quadrant or environmental situation. It could have been, I don't remember us dealing with the weather. There wasn't a ton of weather stuff at all. I agree. Every planet that we visited always seemed to be sunny and just.

Like Southern California. It was like South Carolina. Kind of the same all the time. So, yeah, so we never saw. Oh, except for that one episode. No storms. There was that one episode. You and Boulana are in the really cold area, right?

That's true. We were in the ice caves. Yeah, the ice caves. So we did have that. A little bit. A little bit of snow, a little bit of ice. But in life, like, I feel like the weather is one of the main things I talk about. I think about constantly.

And we just never really, like we didn't worry about weather. We never had a really windy day. Like a, like a gale force type of, you know, a wind. Every time we went to a planet, because they were built on a soundstage. Yeah. They were relatively calm. Yeah. there wasn't much wind there wasn't rain there wasn't snow i don't know just comes to mind yeah comes

to mind good good yeah all right uh this week's episode do you know what we're watching i have no idea okay it's called prey all right pray pray yeah well let's well okay okay then let's go watch now i'm now i'm kind of head down a road okay good and you can talk about that later so all right everyone and we're going to go watch pray. We'll be right back with our recap and discussion of pray. Thank you. Hey, everyone. We are back from watching pray.

Yes, we are. My goodness. Yes, we are. That was intense. That was so intense. Okay. All right. Well, let's just, you know, let's start off with our poetry synopsis.

Let me go with my haiku. Okay. And then you will follow up with your limerick. Yes, I will. My synopsis, poetry synopsis, my haiku for prey. A hunt in progress spills over onto our ship. Seven disobeys. I think you captured it. Thank you. I think you really did. You captured a very complex episode in three lines. So good job. Thank you so much. Let's hear. All right, ready for my limerick.

I'm so ready. Here we go for pray, my limerick for this episode. Goes a little. little something like this. Alpha Hirogyne is tracking his prey. Then he shows up injured one day. We take him aboard. The captain's orders are ignored. Seven gets reprimanded by Jane Way. Oh, yeah.

That was compact. It was succinct, you know. I love it when it was succinct. Because you're going to agree with me. With limericks, you can end up stretching them out pretty long. where they could be a very, very long limerick. And that one was not, it was very succinct and to the point. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. Good job. Good job. And I liked rhyming prey with Janeway. Yeah. Pray Janeway. Janeway, pray. Yeah.

It works for me. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So Prey was written by Brannon Braga. Another Brannon episode. Yes. Brandon Braga.

Directed by Alan Eastman. Do you remember Alan Eastman? I don't. And that's what I wanted to ask you. Who was Alan Eastman? So Alan Eastman, who directed this episode, he is a Canadian director. He's from Manitoba, Canada. He also had produced some television as well.

But around the time of Star Trek Voyager, he was directing shows like he directed one episode of DS9, he directed the Outer Limits, which was a cable show. he directed he did direct two episodes of uh of our show he directed prey and relativity i think in the next season he directed a show called nightman and andromeda a bunch of episodes of andromeda about 12 episodes and a couple of degrassy the next generation so oh okay which i've seen i know yeah okay so a lot of kind of genre-e stuff yeah but i i don't i i have to say i just I remember him. I felt a little bit like he didn't quite get our vibe.

That was my, you know, if I got to be on. And I'm being honest, I'm always going to be honest. Well, I think you're dead honest about this because he obviously didn't get our vibe because I don't recall him at all. You know what I'm saying? So I think Anson Williams only directed two or three of our episodes, you know, but he got our vibe, though. Nearly the same amount.

Yet he just connected with us in a way that I just. didn't feel like Alan Eastman. And I do remember him. He did. I don't feel like Alan connected with us. But yet, having said that, I thought he did a great job in this episode. Like, I thought it was well directed. And there were some really cool shots.

And especially the first sort of going to look for a species 8472, just to jump into that moment, like going down the hallways and everything. I felt like that was more of a scary sort of sequence than most of our. previous shows where we've had those moments where we're sort of it's supposed to be like a haunted house. This one actually felt like haunted out. There's some tension going on. Yeah, there was definitely tension. So I think Allen succeeded in a lot of ways. And Brandon's script is super strong. And we had a couple of great guest stars starting with Tony Todd as the Alpha Horogen. Yes. And that I don't recall Tony working on this show either. No, no. Oh, I totally remember. remember him working on this show. I remember those scenes in the hallway. Yeah. Uh, working with Tony.

We just had so much fun with Chacote and Seven and myself. Yeah, well, you know, what's so cool is that you guys got all that time with him. I didn't have, I didn't have any scenes with him. I was just on the bridge, right? So I never even, that's what probably why I don't even remember Tony Todd. Like, Tony, Tony, I consider someone who I consider him a friend. You know, I see him at conventions. I see him out and about. and I consider him a friend. So for me to not even recall that he was in this episode, it's sad. But it's also par for the course. If I'm on the bridge, I'm never going to see the guy, right?

He was never on the bridge. No, he was never on the bridge. I was only on the bridge, this entire episode. They just left Kim alone, basically. Yeah. The other guest star is Clint Carmichael. Clint Carmichael is the other Herodian who ends up getting torn to pieces in this episode. and Clint worked on Star Trek Next Generation in 1987.

He played a Gnostican. So he played an alien over there. So Clint was, you know, cast as an alien on Voyager. He's six foot four. So tall, not as tall as tiny Ron, but still a tall guy, six foot four for Clint Carmichael. And Tony Todd's also up there too. He's up there in height. He's not a short guy either.

Yeah. But yeah. So those are our two main guest stars. And I'm still, I feel bad that I don't remember Alan Eastman. I really do. I wish I had a tie machine so I can go back and observe him and talk to him. Yeah, you know, really long intro scene. The teaser scene, my goodness, that went on forever before we saw the credits, right?

The whole, the hunting and the prey and locating 8472. Yeah. But just intriguing. One thing that I love about these herodians. and I love the costumes and makeup on them. But because it's so thick, there's so much going on that really the voice is critical because that's where you're selling character and performance. You don't have a lot to work with as an actor.

So as soon as I heard Tony Todd's voice and started remembering this, I was like, oh, this is going to be awesome because his voice is just amazing. And yeah, so we find them tracking some prey. They're following this ship. I love the cool flyby of the Herogen ship tracking the 8472 ship. And they said the praise course is erratic. And Tony Todd has a line. I love that he says the way a creature behaves when it is wounded is the key to its destruction.

And I love that line. Brannon wrote some really deep, profound thoughts. It is true. When people are backed in a corner, you can see their weaknesses coming out because they're acting from fear. They're acting from the lowest form of themselves, that fearful place. So, yeah, cool. So 8472 ends up beaming down to some asteroid and they're going to track it down and they put on some paint. Luckily, they do put on paint on their head so we know which one is which because sometimes it's hard to tell.

They had super cool guns, I thought, the Herojin. They pull out these super cool weapons that are just like, I don't know, they look like old revolving. machine guns or something with all kinds of barrels coming out of them they were cool they definitely were cool and they were shiny too yeah they were shiny weapons on this one yeah and we end this uh with them firing they disengaged their sensors they really want to he says he wants to take him with his own eyes he doesn't want to use technology on his guy and says see him and they find him trapped in a corner and they fire fire fire and it looks like he says a flawless kill so we feel like they've gotten they've just beaten eight four seven two so we think right now that's

right um we come onto voyager and we're in sick bay i love this scene with seven and the doctor he's trying to train her in uh doctor responses she's repeating these doctor risk and at first you're on a close up of seven and she's saying you know whatever doctor lines and you're like wait a minute is she the doctor and then it starts to pull out and she's just repeating these doctor phrases and you realize oh he's scripted this She's reading from the doctor's script. Yeah. And he's trying to mentor her here.

But the interesting note I made about this scene is that she definitely was in character as seven, but there is one point in this dialogue where she gets a little frustrated and Jerry Ryan comes out for a split second. Oh, really? That's Jerry when she's like, you know, I'm done with those. You know, I said, that's Jerry. That wasn't really seven. Oh, that's funny.

I could pull that out. Definitely. I saw that. That's my note for that scene. But I love that one line where he says, exercise 17, bridge banter for beginners. And I thought, I wrote that down too. Bridge banter for beginners.

Bridge banter for beginners. Oh, that could be a T-shirt too. Yeah. And they start going through the scenario where he's playing the nurse and she's playing the doctor. Yes. And then he says something like he's written this scene. And one of her lines, she's supposed to respond with,

oh, doctor, you're so charming. Yeah. He says, oh, your line. Oh, doctor, you're so charming. I laughed out loud. It's good. And then she's like, I'm done. Exactly.

Yeah. And then she walks out. She's like, I'm done with this. She walks out. She pauses, turns around and says, have a pleasant day. Like very dry. Like with one of, one of her lines that she memorized was have a pleasant day. But she said it so.

So annoyed. Yeah. Yeah. We go to the bridge and the Hrojan ship is approaching. And it's kind of erratic and it approaches and seems to stall next to Voyager. And we scan it. There's one wounded life sign. And Janeway wants to board and help this wounded horogen.

And Seven disagrees right on the bridge in front of everybody. Yeah. So you see the Herosion as a threat. It's a threat. Yeah. Janeway sees it as an opportunity. So this begins one of the first episodes. Well, not the first, but definitely this theme, this ongoing theme of seven not seeing eye to

eye with Janeway. She's seeing she's seeing it the Borgway still. Yes. Yeah. Challenging the authority on the ship in a way that no other character could ever get away with. No. If you or I had done this on this very first scene.

It would have been off with their heads. Off with their heads. Demoted. We would have landed in the brig halfway through this episode like no one would get away with this. No. But somehow seven of nine. It's away with it. He gets away with it.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. So Chikote leaves for this away mission and asks Tuvok and Paris to join him. Yeah. And we beam over to the Hurojan ship and we're where things are wrecked. And there's bones everywhere, torture weapons everywhere. I love that big bubble tank that Chukote looks at and Tuvok look at and there's bones and body parts.

Yeah. It was just so creepy and disgusting. Yes. My favorite moment in this scene is Paris when he says, oh, a helmet. Looks like somebody lost their helmet. And he picks up the helmet, turns it around. It's the head. It's still in there.

It's, it's Mr. Carmichael. It's Mr. Carmichael's head. And he says, this head appears to have been ripped off. Yeah. The body. Yeah. Yikes. They litter it, whatever alien.

So now we're starting to put together, oh, species 8472, that they we thought they killed on that planet they must have brought it back onto the ship but it recovered and has torn them apart because this place is a wreck. It wasn't gory enough though to be

torn apart. You know, maybe that's 90s television censorship where you can't show too much go but I'm going to say I'm going to justify it as when 8472 rips your head off his claws also cauterized the wound

It seals the bottom of the head so cleanly that it's, you know, it's like Tupperware. There's no, there's no blood whatsoever. There's nothing coming out. That kind of, a little bit. Pull me out a little bit. I thought it was pretty creepy, though, especially the bubbling body parts in the tank. That just freaked me out. Creepy.

But we do call back to the ship and say we have one injured Herogen and we're going to beaming him over to sick bay. and now we jump to the briefing room and they're discussing that they've downloaded the logs from the Herojan ship and they realize that these Herojin are nomadic

that they hunt for food and it's very kind of a spiritual there's a lot of sort of cultural you know rules that they follow in their hunting and that's kind of like wolves they're nomadic like wolves

and that's why they've traveled so far yeah and so we learn a little bit bit. We learn a little bit about this erosion. Janeway was right. This was so far, pretty, pretty smart move. What we don't know is we cut to the outside of the ship and we see A472 has jumped over from this Herogen ship right next to us and is on the outside of Voyager climbing around. He almost looks at camera too. He breaks the fourth wall. He climbs a little bit and looks over. It's like, I'm right here, guys. I just want to jump back to the briefing room scene. Seven does say, quote you were right captain this time and it was like oh boy here we go you know there's a lot

of this is a lot of rebellious teenager in here i'm gonna go ahead and give my opinion my editorial opinion about this whole story sure i found it uh unbelievable that jane way as the captain would have put up with this for as long as she did yeah and i think the writers put cape mowgrew in a tough spot because it seemed inconsistent with who her character was to put up with this kind of rebelliousness. And this is just the beginning. Like, we're only a couple of scenes in. And there's this, this, like, constant sort of questioning and having the last word

and picking a fight that I just thought was, it was over the top, and I didn't believe it. And I felt like, you know, Cape Mulgrew probably was frustrated with that story as well. I think it was, it seemed inconsistent to me with, with what we'd seen from the captain up into this point. I agree. I know what they were trying to do, but I feel like it could have been a more subtle story and it would have, I would have stayed along for the ride. It seemed so, so such a big leap that it lost me sometimes.

But yeah, we do see the outside of the ship, an 8472 climbing along the outside of Voyager. And nobody is aware of that yet. for some reason our sensors don't pick up giant aliens climbing around the hall you would think that what our sensors would we would have known hey there's something going on on the bulkhead back there yeah and it just that shot of 8472 it just makes you realize how amazing this alien species is they don't need an environmental suit they could so they could literally be let's say they're on a transport ship or a 8472 transport ship with hundreds or thousands of troops. And if it gets blown out of the, if it gets blown apart and they're just floating in

space, they're still okay. Like they don't, they're just going to, they're just float along for a while until they come up against something and then, you know, they're still alive, which just keep going. Crazy. Yeah. It is crazy. But we cut in to Sick Bay from there. And now our alpha the Horogen, Tony Todd, is waking up and he immediately wants to continue the hunt. Yes. And he's behind a force field in sick bay. And they say, nope, you're severely injured, internal bleeding. Like, you need to get better.

And the doctor's going to step inside this thing. Yeah. But the doctor says, I'm a hologram. So I cannot be bent or spindled or something else. I didn't write down all the things. I, you know, I think that's funny. but I also think it would have been funny if Brannon wrote it so that as he walks in

847, sorry, Hirogyn, Alpha Hirogyn tries to bend him and spindle him and do all the things that he says like, he's doing all this stuff and nothing happens. That would have been cool too. It would have been fun. But it was a funny moment for sure.

Where are we next? We're on the bridge and more Horogen ships are detected. We're a little bit worried about that. But then in the midst of this happening, we hear, you know, there's a shaking of the, ship and we realize that there's a hull rupture on deck 11 section three then another big bang

and a shake and we realize that a bulkhead collapsed in jeffre's tube 84 so janeway sends tovok and kim to go investigate and we do and and and janeway says to harry at one point you know a report and you say Garrett you say the plasm network is stable and I went what the plasm now you said you said plasm did I miss for now what are you said plasma yeah you did why would I say plasma when I know I don't know that I know as long as I've said that other people have said plasma before as long as I've been alive it's always been plasma for me I know are you sure that was my line Plasma. I said plasma.

What network on the ship do we use blood? I mean, plasma. I don't know. I think it just, you know, they used a take where you said it with a little different A sound. Oh, my God. Now you're going to make me go back and watch it again for that. Oh, my goodness. This is on the bridge, though, right?

Because I think Polana has said plasma before, too. Plasma? No. I think so. I was very happy. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. It made me laugh. It was good. We find you in the, in the Jeffries Tube, Tuvac and Harry are crawling down the Jeffries Tube. By the way, did Harry give a side eye to Tuvok? You were like crawling and then all of a sudden I saw you kind of look over at Tuvok. Like, I don't know. It was a little side eye. I think you side eyed him in the Jeffries tube. And I thought maybe you side eyed him because Tim Russ farted and you were climbing down. And you were like, maybe he you know a little gaseous anomaly in the tube probable but it's possible it's possible it's

I shouldn't say probable it is possible that that may have happened but more than more than anything I believe it was probably me not being happy to be on my knees inside that Jeffrey's tube because we've mentioned this before that that that was not a very forgiving surface and it really hurt your knees. It was like it had like ridges and knots on it and it would just like tear up your knees. Yeah, for high density plastic or whatever that material was, you would think that there would be some give or whatever, but no, it was painful and it hurt like crazy. They should have made it out of foam. Everything should have been foam in there, but no, they didn't. They made it out of the most unforgiving material. It was a torture chamber. It was a torture chamber. Yes. So maybe I

gave him the side. I like, oh my gosh, this hurts. Can we this hurts? Why are we still crawling in this? Let's finish the scene is what it was. Yeah. Not happy. But we also see the, we also see blood or plasma from species 8472 on the actual surface of the Jeffries tube floor right there. And we realized that something has happened that this is not a regular. It's not a regular plasma. Yeah. It's alien plasm. Yes, it's alien plaza. Yes, it's alien plaza. Plasma. It looks like, and it looked like slime from Nickelodeon, that kind of greenish little slime. I was like, I wonder what they used for that, because it was weird looking.

It was weird looking. It did look like jello or something. Yellowish stuff, yeah. Yeah. Lime jello, green jello. Okay. So we're on the bridge right now, and we realized that it's 8472. We've examined the, we analyzed the plasma, and we realized that it belongs to 8472.

love that we're going to call it plasm for the rest of the show. Yes, we will. And we cannot detect. So Janeway says, okay, can we find, you know, where can we locate 8472? But we can't because 8472 has natural, I don't know what it is. They have a, they have their own kind of fielding or something. Yeah. Shielding. Yeah. They have their own. That's, that's what makes these aliens the most impressive aliens of all. They have their own shielding. Their own shields. Yeah. And they don't need any atmosphere. just unbelievable. By the way, as soon as they say, yeah, it's 8472. Yes. Chukotay's in a close-up. He's like, he jumps up. I've never seen Chukote move that fast. That was the

that was unbelievable. He was he freaked out. He freaked out. And well, you know, and so we cannot use sensors to scan for this alien because he's got the shields. So Janeway says we have to track it visually. So she brings that up. So this is something that we have to just, you know, get down there and use our eyes, the old-fashioned way. And then Janeway grabs this hidden phaser, which is, you know, I kind of remember filming this scene where they were trying to figure out where is she going to grab this phaser from. And they were like, well, I guess maybe there's a hidden compartment behind the captain's chair or something like. And I think, you know, there was a conversation between the director and and and Kate about you know what would be the most realistic place to have this this I just found it so odd that she's I think I remember this conversation yeah she just I think I remember this conversation too because I don't think we'd ever done that before no that was the conversation it's like yeah we're just saying that there's a place that like a drawer here it's like a phaser end table we're gonna keep phasers here so yeah it was a little bizarre to see that yeah we also go to

engineering around this point. And they've sealed off engineering trying to keep 8472 out of here. And they're all running around. And then we're on Balana and she looks up. She hears something. He hears something and she looks up. And there's 8472 on the warp core. Yeah.

And he jumps down. Crops on top of her. Right. And then did you notice this the first time he? Like that. Was that the sound of the plasma that you just did? Yes, that was the plasma hitting her. So that's A472 Plasma when it hits a human, human skin, he goes like that.

Yeah. Makes a little fart sound. Okay. That's it. Did you notice when he's falling on Boulana, this is the first time you get a look at the gaps that, like the neck has holes in it or something like that, you know? Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, that was kind of interesting too. Oh, okay.

So, yes. So 8472 clearly wreaks havoc in engineering. I'm surprised that Bala. Lana's not torn to pieces. I'm surprised that they're not all dead. Yeah, everyone should be dead. Exactly. Right. A little bit of a hole in the script there.

Someone should have died for sure. And Janeway shows up with security detail into engineering to get the lowdown and what's going on. Blana's out cold. She's unconscious. She's out. A bunch of people are out on the floor. Yeah.

Seven's giving her all the debriefing of what happened. He attacked us. Our phasers didn't do. anything and then it escaped 8472 escaped and that's all we know and seven says when 8472 would attack the board that they would go after their power source first that was the first thing they would do right so why did the 8472 come into clearly 8472 didn't want to destroy them because he's you know he's he's he's on a mission for a different reason he's not here to destroy our power source and kill all of us.

So it's a little, we're trying to figure out what's going on with him. Like what is the strategy here? Right. And this conversation happens in the corridor, the walk and talk with Jane Wayne 7, right? Before they enter the turbo lift to then go to sickbay where once they arrive, the doctor tells Janeway that Torres is going to be fine. So your future wife is okay. I found this a little confusing, by the way.

So they were in engineering where Balana was. Correct. Then they walked down a hall and got in a turbo. And then they're in engineering and there's Bala. How did Bala get there ahead of them? You mean sick pay, right? And sick bay, I mean, yeah, then they go into sick bay and there's Bala. So she wasn't engineering when they walked out the door.

Right. And did they beam her over? Yeah, that's my assumption. They beamed her straight to sick. Then why didn't 7 in January just beam over? Why did they go out in the dangerous hall where 8472 could be? Why didn't everybody just beam from engineering? Because I think, you know, they'd already reach their daily beaming

credits, okay? You get a certain amount of credits per day of how many times you can beam. And once you've used them up, you can't. You got to use your old-fashioned legs and walk to sick bay. But yeah, you're right. They should have all beamed together. That would have made sense. I didn't get it. I didn't get a little odd. Janeway asked, Janeway's in sick bay. She asked Alfa Herodian about this thing. And he really wants to finish it now. Yeah. Seven says that he can't kill this thing because the only thing that will kill them is Borg nanoprobes. Yeah. And Janeway says, modify the nanoprobes. I don't want you to kill this thing. Right. Just wound it. Just, you know, we don't want to kill it. Let's have some compassion. Seven protest this.

She doesn't like this. This is going to take an extra time. This will take extra time to modify it to not kill them to sort of fit, just kind of sedate them. And then this exposes the crew to unnecessary risk. So off the bat, she's she's the arguing again. Arguing again. She's being the teenager again. Janeway is, you know, starting to get a little annoyed at this point. Oh, yes, she is. It's, yeah, it's building slowly. And, you know, for the Herogen, we clearly get this understanding that the hunt must be completed, you know, in order for them. It's almost like, it's probably the biggest, the most shameful thing when you cannot complete a hunt.

Like you almost lose, the goodness of your name as a Herogen is just thrown into the mud. if you can't finish the hunt and he then threatens weight doesn't threaten he just tells janeway you have a choice you allow me to continue the hunt and if you don't the other horogen will then come and destroy voyager and yeah if you allow me to continue that i'll tell my buddies to back off and leave you but if you don't allow me to continue this hunt they're going to tell them to destroy you yeah they're going so she's in a pickle she is and then tuvok calls by the way yeah and tuvac says hey two vok's in hallway. Yeah. And he says, hey, environmental controls have been damaged. And we found this guy. He's in section 49. Right. And he's kind of trapped there. And then we, we have a moment where there's

some more damage happening. And artificial gravity is compromised. And you see Tuvok start to float a little bit. Yes. And I was like, oh, that's so cool. It was cool. Do you remember how that was shot? Did they put a wire on him or something? I don't remember. I don't either I thought that he was on some type of I thought he was on some type of platform that they were able to raise some type of little I don't know I just I don't remember how they did it

but I did I was really like I thought that was super cool and I really wish that they had had a different shot like a wide shot to see him just kind of floating in the hallway I just we never did that and I wish we had done that more on on our show where we lost gravity control and our characters could have floated for a minute or had to deal with that fact,

that we never did that. That was the only time that I can remember us doing that. Can you call it Tim right now? He's riding his bike with Bob and the party. That'd be a quick answer, though. He'll know exactly how that went. He would. I'm sure he would remember. Let me just try.

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See if he picks up. Okay, I'll just call mobile. Is it working? Can you hear it? He's not answering. Oh. All right. This is Tim West at the time.

Please leave the message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks. Even on his answering machine, he sounds like a Vulcan. Timmy, it's Garrett. Just trying to call you to ask about that one episode, Pray with Tony Todd, when you're in the corridor, you talk about how artificial gravity has been compromised and all of a sudden you start floating up towards the bulkhead in the corridor. We just want to know what they use to make you float. Were you on a wire? Did you have, were you wired up beforehand or was there some type of, I don't know, some type of platform?

Yeah, platform you're on an Applebox that was connected to a steady cam. I don't know. What was it? What happened? We're just curious. That's all. All right. Text me. Call me. Bye. I want to know. This is really kind of, I was sitting there called. The people need to know. Yeah, people need to know. Okay. Let's move on. Yeah. So the artificial gravity, cool shot, definitely. Now we're in sick bay. And we're back in sick bay and Janeway does finally say to the Herogeon guy, all right, we'll let you out. Under Chakotay supervision. That was exactly.

under Sukkote's supervision. Yeah, you need a chaperone. Yep. You need a Herogen chaperone. So that's what happens. The Herogen heads down the hall with Chocote and Paris. Yeah. And they're talking.

Yeah, they're in the cool spacesuits and the horogen's got his thing on, his little environmental mask on. And he's talking about one time when he was tracking some prey through this very dangerous situation. And then Paris says, well, I. once tracked a mouse through Jeffrey's Tube 32. And the look on everyone's face after you say that was just like silent deadpaned looks from both of them. I love that. That was a good moment.

I laughed so hard on that one. Yeah. So hard. Okay. So now this corridor shot sort of, it jumps back and forth between Chiquet, Paris, and Alpha Hirogyn in the corridor and Tuvok and seven. also in environmental suits with phaser rifles in another corridor. So it just jumps back and forth,

jumps back and forth. Alan Eastman did a great job. He did. And Marvin did a great job of creating real tension and suspense. I remembered these spacesuits again because I'd worn them before with Balana floating in space. They had these fans inside of them. So loud. So that they wouldn't get fogged up and stuff.

And it was hard to hear the other actors. So I do remember sometimes. and then Tony Todd had so much stuff on mask on like he he was muffled we had fans in our ears it was so hard to hear each other I do remember that it was just really hard you know playing a scene because you couldn't hear anybody else you guys probably looped every single line you did voice over every single one of these lines and Tony was probably there for hours doing all of his lines because oh yeah that face mask thing that they threw on I mean you can't hear anything it's completely muffled right

Um, well, and I love the, I love the scene in the corridor which Cote says that it's his hunt and he's taking point. And the Hurogen says, well, you're probably going to be attacked first. They usually attack point first. And then Paris says, no problem. I'll take up the rear. Yes. That's funny. So Paris is basically saying, I'm going to stay back here.

Yeah, there's a couple of funny lines like the, you know, I once tracked a mouse through Jeffrey's tube, whatever. And there's this one when, yeah. the horogen finally backs off of this tense moment and steps next to paris and paris and the horogen are looking at each other and yeah and then paris's like you can have no problem no problem i'll take the rear yeah i'll go back this way i'm not going to fight you on this yeah yeah i was very happy with my light comic moments in these scenes and then in seven and two vok there's a light coming moment there seven is a little touchy with her phaser rifle she ends up shooting the shadow that she sees and or whatever she saw

And Tuvok walks over and just very calmly says, you missed, which was, again, a very, very funny, little light moment of levity of that pairing over there. Now, we're over in the corridor and with Paris and Alpha Hirogy in Chakote, and we see 8472's blood plasma molecules. The blood plasma, yeah, floating in the air, which is super cool, which also reminds me of the Star Trek. film, there's a feature film where there is also gravity is not working and there's blood plasma also floating. So it was reminiscent of that. I think that was Star Trek 6 and I will be quickly corrected by everybody when they hear this if that is not Star Trek 6, but that's what it reminded me of. Yeah, it was very cool. Yeah. And the Horogen then warns everyone that 8472 will now try to sneak behind and attack from behind, which means now Paris, you're the one in danger,

since you're in the very back, right. Yeah. I thought I was so clever. Yeah, you were. Yeah. So then they come around a corner, and now they see 8472 just floating in the corridor. And the Herojin is a little bit too, you know, bloodthirsty.

Yeah. And he starts firing like crazy. Chikote tries to stop him. He gets knocked back. Alpha Herojin turns and shoots Paris, stuns Paris. And Paris just kind of just kind of. kind of, I don't know what you do, you just kind of like back up and lean up against the bulkhead and you just, were you told to be stunned as in you were unconscious? Like, what do they tell you?

I don't remember. I don't remember. All right. I remember there was a bit of chaos in this fight. It was. You know, Alfa hits, Chukota, and then Tuvac comes around the corner. He shoots the Albaughan in the back and he comes over to check you to see if you're okay. And you're just standing, you notice that? You're just standing there with your hands out like that. And then Tuvok sort of holds your elbow a little bit. And then he kind of turns. away from you. And I thought, oh, I didn't, I guess he's passed out. That's what I thought. You must be just, you know, I was stunned by the Horogen weapon or something. Yeah. And it's just the way you were posed there. It just, it was awkward looking, you know,

and I wasn't sure. You were so far back. That's what most people say about me. When I'm, when I pose, it's awkward. Well, I just want to know for my awkward poses. I just want to know if you recalled anything about that day. I don't. Okay. That's all remember goofing off a lot with Tony Todd. Yeah. Like, what did you guys? do? Were you guys playing games? No, we just, you know, we just laughed a lot. I remember that we just had a lot of fun. Okay, good. Good. I'm jealous. All right. Yeah, we go to, we go to mess Hall. Tuvok comes in and asks Neelix to get a weapon. He's like, Neelix, you're going to have to join us in this fight. This is getting serious. And then, and then Tuvok sees 8472 around me. I was very

confused in this. Yeah. I was like, wait, is 8472 here? Yeah. It was weird. It was weird. And then they sort of left. Yeah, it was telepathic speaking. Yeah, we realized later that A472 is communicating telepathically with Tuvok. In the next scene, we're back in the hall. And Tuvok's explaining this, that this 8472 alien was wounded in this fight. Yeah. And the other ships had left him behind and he is dying now.

And he just wants to go home back to fluidic space. Yeah. And Janeway comes up and Tuvok fills her in on this. and she's got so much empathy and compassion for him. She does want to help. Well, she does because look what's happening. It's a microcosm of what we're dealing with. This is one, this is one 8472 alien trying to get back home.

We are a crew of Starfleet and Maki trying to get back home, you know. So I feel like that's kind of what made Janeway so passionate about saving this one alien just like okay he's in the same boat as we are and we need to be we need to do the right thing is what it was i think that you know in this episode janeway's attitude is compassion and empathy is going to put us in touch with the better side of ourselves with the better part of humanity yeah and it could build bridges so that we don't have these enemies so we won't be fighting the horogen in eight four seven that's right and then on the other end of the spectrum you've got seven who's saying nope we got to kill them we got to fight them we got to run

away leave let them die because they're they're bad people and and we have to just think of ourselves and protect ourselves and in my opinion i think seven's attitude is much more the lower kind of human experience of fear coming from fear and paranoia and so you're really fighting with these two two ways of thinking about danger and about threats you know agree Agreed, agreed. And did you talk about how 8472 had accessed deflector control through the panel in the corridor? I did not. Okay. So that's, so essentially he was trying to open up a singularity to get back to fluidic space. So that's, that's what he was doing. Then we walk around the corridor and Tuvac and Janeway come across 8472 and Tuvac is telepathically communicating with 8472.

and Janeway says, tell 8472 that we are trying to send him back home. We are not a threat. Does he understand me? Tufok says yes, but then 8472 actually kind of falls into the state of unconsciousness because of all the wounds that he has over all this time being tracked by the Hurogen. We jumped to sickbay, and Janeway is now having conversation with Alpha Herogen, with Tony Todd, and she refuses. Yeah, by the way, so Alpha Herogen is back in the bio bed.

area. But the biobet's gone. He's just behind. It's cleared out. It was like, where's the bio bed? Where's the bio bed? Did you just like roll it out of here? Yeah. Put a button and it goes in the floor or something? Maybe he was so angry. He just, he just demolished it and he vaporized it. Maybe. Who knows?

It was a very strange look to see that area without the biobed in it. It was, they were using it more like a brig, like a prison cell. That's right. Because he wasn't there for any medical reason at this point. That's true. So when she refuses to give up 8472, he says, okay, if that's your choice and 8472 is not given up to myself and the other Herogen, guess what? The Voyager crew will take its place.

Voyager crew will take 847. Yeah, you guys are going to be. And this is foreshadowing to killing game, parts one and two, basically, right? So just an eerie thought process there. So then we jump into the corridor and Janeway and Tuvok are walking along. And Tuvok tells Janeway, you know, I think you're going to have a difficult time getting seven of nine to follow along with this plan of opening up a singularity. I mean, this is the this is the one species that pretty much came close to annihilating all Borg everywhere. So, you know, she's going to say no.

Janeway is like, well, send her to my ready room. and that's when Seven shows up and this huge long scene and just all these, you know, some really nice pieces of dialogue here, right? Absolutely. Part of becoming human is learning to have compassion for those that are suffering, even when they are bitter enemies, right? Another great quote, a single act of compassion can put you in touch with your own humanity.

And then she, Janeway, says to Seven, I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow And I know you don't want to do this. Seven, but I'm telling you as a captain and your friend, you won't regret it. Seven will not comply. So then seven is, I wrote, sent to her room by Janeway. She sent to her cargo bay regeneration alcove by Janeway. It's a heated scene.

It's a heated scene, definitely. Yeah, I felt like Seven's attitude was not only obstinate and not listening to the captain, but she was doing it with a lot of attitude and a lot of she was pretty smug and pretty hot about it yeah and i thought at the very end you see janeway's reaction on seven leaves she just shakes her head a little bit and it felt so uncomfortable yeah seen to me yes she she was um you know you could just tell that she's using all of her energy to maintain composure as much she can so that she's not going to blow up and have this full on shouting match with seven right and just that shaking of the head you could just see in that

moment how frustrated janeway was with seven's behavior by far i felt like what i wanted was a scene in here where janeway says okay let's put this argument aside for a minute seven let me explain to you the chain of command on this ship so you're crystal clear okay i you know and then explain yeah i am the captain here's here's here's what how people respond. I will accept this much of an argument with any position I have. Right. But at this point,

I will not accept it anymore. That is my job. And you are not, I felt like I wanted a scene like that so that seven understood the level of risk that she was taking by continuing to argue with the captain. I really felt like I, you know, there's,

I feel like the captain sort of assumed that seven understands this. And later on, she talks about you encourage my individuality and now now you don't want me to be you know to have a different opinion right um but it was it was yeah it was very heated very heated we then jump to the bridge where we are now under fire from the horogen ships who have now showed up on the scene and janeway talks on the view screen to one of the horogen tries to negotiate a little something it just doesn't work out they keep firing on us and we're we jump back to the corridor and we have the doctor and 8472 is there and the doctor then messages Janeway that he needs more nanoprobes

to sedate 8472 so then the captain order 7 to leave her room and bring the nanopo nanoprobes to the doctor now we jumped back to the bridge we're still being fired upon and we jump back to sick Bay to find out that the Hirogen, Alpha Hirogen, has escaped because I think, I think it was Chakote that was like messaging down to the security detail in sick bay and no one was answering. So he was like, oh, something's happening. And sure enough, Alpha Herojin has escaped. Now we're in the corridor and Seven arrives with more nanoprobes. And as Seven is talking with the doctor, we see that our Starfleet security detail,

is being disabled by the Alpha Hirogyn. A472 breaks out of its own confinement theme. There was a force field over there too. A417 walks through it like it's nothing and starts to fight with Alpha Herogen. And they're just, you know, just tumbling, tossling, you know, just kind of in each other's grasp. And that's when seven starts, you know. She pulls out a panel, right? That happens to be right at her feet.

Right there. Yeah. Which I never knew we could just do that. We could just pull out a panel wherever we were standing in a hallway. We can't have access to everything. Only former Borg drones can do that, not start with personnel. They know that there's foot panels to access everything you need to to beam somebody off the ship. So she does.

She encrypts all her commands with Borg encryption so that Harry can't do anything about it on the bridge. And he is beamed, A472 is beamed off. And I got to say, for as menacing as 8472 has been in the past, you really do feel compassion for this 8472. And there is that feeling of just tragic loss when he's beamed aboard the Hurogen ship. And it was a death sentence. That was the end of the, you know, it's just like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. He was so close to getting back home.

And now he's going to be. He's on a ship of Herojin. He's done. He's going to be a trophy. He's going to be cooked. He's going to be thrown in that, in that boiling stew. Boiling bubbling stew. It's going to pour thing.

Just sad. Really, really sad. It was sad. We go to cargo bay. Yeah. Well, there's a quick scene on the bridge between Janeway and Chikote where they both go, Chikote goes, seven of nine. And then Janeway goes, seven of nine.

They both say this out loud. Do you remember that? I'm like, what? This is so stylistic. at this point, I was like, this is like an independent film, an artsy independent film. Seven of nine. Seven of nine. It was just, did you have any comments on that shot there?

I said, I repeated the same thing. Oh, you did. When they, yeah, I felt like we all had to say it. Okay, fine. I just, while I was watching, I said it. Yeah. All right. And now we're in cargo, Cargo Bay, the final scene.

Janeway comes into Cargo Bay and it's a big, long, like, it's kind of like high noon, like an old Western. Yeah. You see the door open and there's Janeway. Way way out in the hall. Yeah. And Seven's over here regenerating. And Janeway slowly walks in, hits some buttons, and off goes her regeneration thing. Yeah.

And basically tells her the consequences of her disobedience, that she has no access to any of the ship systems anymore, except in astrometrics, where they still need her help there. And that if she attempts to override any of those, she'll be thrown in the brig. She'll be thrown in the brig. Yeah. And then Janeway starts to leave. And it's, again, a very tense scene. It just feels like, and the thing that I didn't like about this scene is that seven just kept getting the last word.

It was like constantly. Yeah. At the end, she says, I'm being punished because I don't think the same way you do. And that I am not becoming more like you, you know, you encouraged me to think independently. And then when I did, I was punished. So the whole thing was just, you know, Janeway mom telling her teenage. daughter, this, that, and the other, and then the teenage daughter always having the last word.

And even the teenage daughter, seven at the end says, and you're punishing me because you're frightened. Yeah. Yeah. And Janeway's only response is, as you were. Yeah. I would have said, you want to see how frightened I am? You're in the brig right now, lady.

I would have thrown her. I would have, I don't know. She was seven of nine was not. It's like that scene in Breakfast Club where he's like, you know, getting detention. He's like, that's one week. And he starts saying, talking back, okay, two weeks. He says, oh, yeah, give me more. And he gives him more and more.

So that's kind of that reminded me of. That's what it felt like. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And so that's how we end. Seven is, seven's cut off. And there's a lot of tension between Jane and seven at this point. Oh, my goodness.

So what is your, what's your lesson from this? Is it one of the cool quotes that Brandon wrote in this? Yeah, my lesson really went back to what Janeway was trying to communicate to seven. Seven didn't understand or couldn't get, which was that a single act of compassion can put you in touch with your humanity. Yeah. That was my takeaway is like compassion is the better way. Yeah.

It's so easy to sort of meet anger with anger. you know what I'm saying when somebody's pissed off you know it's the easy route is like oh you're going to be you're going to be giving me this attitude I'll give it right back to you but where what does that solve anything not really it just it just aggravates both parties and yeah the lesson I also believe is that you know sometimes you need to take you need to come from that angle of compassion or that angle of love right if you come from love if you come from compassion even though you're dealing with somebody that may be your worst enemy or someone you don't want to deal with, but using that tactic is always going to be better than, you know, fighting head-to-head

and having more conflict, right? So finding ways to, yes, to D, what am I trying to say? Not de-escalate. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so tired right now. So thank you for helping me with my words. Anytime. I have compassion for you. You've helped me with plasma and you've helped me with de-escalate. So, yeah. Yes, de-escalation is the way to go, right? Mm-hmm, yeah. Okay. Very cool.

Awesome. Well, that was fun. Yeah, it was good. It was fun and uncomfortable at the same time. If it's fun and uncomfortable at the same time, is that fun comfortable? Exactly. Oh, Tim's calling me. Hey, buddy.

Hey, man. You get my message? I did. I'm sorry, I do not remember anything about any of that. Seriously. Wow. I seriously do not remember

what I did. It might have been a wire. It might have been a harness and wire. It might have been at the time. I vaguely remember something maybe about that. I do not recall the actual work. I don't recall the day. I don't recall the scene,

to be honest with you. Yeah. The way, okay, it's really interesting because the way the camera was set up, it was definitely shot from a lower angle, right, looking up, so you're not seeing your feet at all. And you're talking to Janeway. You said environmental controls have been accessed by species 8472. We're losing life support on this deck. And we have just, artificial gravity has just been compromised. And right when you say that, you literally start floating up towards the ceiling. And I'm like, what the, is someone, is that Charlie Russo underneath him? Like, what happened there? Like, I don't, we have. We

have no clue how you did that, that practical effect there. And we, Robbie thinks that you were on a wire. And I thought, I don't know if they would put Tim on a wire in the hallway in the corridor. It'd be a little odd, you know, so. Well, it's not, I mean, it's not a matter. I'd be a question of being odd. It might be more of a question of, you know, they've got to take the ceiling out in order to do a wire. You have to take all the ceiling out or whatever it was. Right. To get me up in a wire. And I don't know if it was a, um, a platform or a crane. or something else that I you know but you it is a difference if you're standing on something as opposed to if you're hanging from something just a different feel when you're hanging from

true true I don't think you were hanging I think you're on a crane that's what I think it just looked more like crane and they kind of pushed you up and you push it up yeah and you sold it that you were kind of levitated you know that's it yeah that's probably what it was I I don't remember doing a whole wire gag and it's just one shot it's a lot of work for one shot exactly so it might have been a dolly or a crane

that they raised me up on okay god knows man is a billion years ago does he remember Alan Eastman my head anyway all right the other hey before you Jimmy Jimmy before you go

Robbie wanted to ask you do you remember the director Alan Eastman he's the one that directed that episode because I don't recall him at all not Alan Craker Alan Eastman Alan Eastman? No. I don't remember. I don't remember Alan Eastman. No, I don't actually. Yeah, neither do I. There's a few of them I do remember, but he's, for some reason, he's not coming to mind.

He's not coming to mind. Okay. Yeah. All right, buddy. Cliff Bowles. I remember a few others. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks a lot, man. See you. Bye. Bye. I got a call back. Yeah, you did. Two Bob called me. Could you not hear that when I put my phone up? to the it was on speaker i could hear but he can't hear me he can't hear you no because he because i'm only in your headphones yeah and he's right if he was on a wire they would have had to open up the ceiling right suspend him from the from whatever contraption through so that would and just for that one shot that would have been probably so probably like lifted it up on a seesaw kind of thing yeah like some type of little exactly that's what i was thinking okay probably all right everyone

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