The Delta Flyers - Profit and Loss

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode, Profit and Loss, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, & Armin Shimerman.Profit and Loss: Quark's one true love flees to the station with two of her students, members of the Cardassian underground being sought by the military.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Stephanie Lee, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, & Jonathan CappsOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Neil McRae, Tim Neumark, Danie Crofoot, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, & Hailey Lugo, & Chris GarisAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Jennifer Vaughn, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Loretta Reyes, Timothy McMichens, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Carol Ramsey, Willow Whitcomb, Jadzia Mehari, Mo, Leslie Ford, Douglas Lawrence-Plant, & Heather CThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Okay, everyone. We just wanted to pause before we start this podcast. We want to dedicate this podcast to James Darren and his contribution to our Star Trek family. I only got to meet James a few times at conventions, but he was incredibly kind and warm and just always such a joy to be around and he will be missed. But we're so glad that he was a part of Star Trek with us. Yeah, same for me. Like Robbie, I knew Jimmy Darren from conventioning appearance. and every time that I interacted with him was always a warm, kind, open-hearted sort of interaction, so he will be greatly, greatly missed. I had the great, great fortune to know him better than the other two, and I can only reiterate

what they just said. Jimmy Duren was one of the kindest, friendliest, most charming people I ever met and talented. I worked with him not only as an actor, but also as a director. And whenever he came on this set, it was a very, very good day. And just for those of you who are interested, the last scene ever shot by Deep Space 9 was one between Big Fontaine, Jimmy's character, and myself. Our scene was the last one ever shot. I want to very quickly tell a story that.

that is indicative of jimmy when aaron eisenberg passed away and there was a memorial for him kitty my wife was sitting next to jimmy and he turned to kitty during the course of the of the memorial and said it shouldn't be erin it should have been me oh and that's indicative of who jimmy was he was always thinking of others wow well thank you for sharing that thank you for sharing that and he he really uh was a great human being a great talented man and a really important part of star trek so he will be missed and he had a great sense of humor that's the other thing i didn't yeah he's just an incredible voice but just one of the great mentions of all time yeah Everybody out there, welcome to the Delta Flyers, Journey Through the Wormhole with Cork, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry.

Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host's longest journey are Terry Farrell, our super-duper science officer, Armin Sherman, our very beloved businessman. And of course, myself, your Forever Ensign, and my good old buddy from Voyager, your favorite, I don't even say beloved. I'm going to say, talented, talented, Helm-Skilled and trained. Highly skilled, highly skilled, yes, are highly skilled and trained and daring pilot, Robert Duncan McNeil.

Thanks, buddy. Yeah, you're welcome. Today we have Armin. Hi, Armin. Hi, how are you doing? You know, I heard a lot of good things. I attended two conventions in the last two weeks, and everybody was talking about Delta Flyers.

I'm so glad so many people are listening. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, Armin and I were together in Blackpool. I got to see Armin over there for a convention. We only meet across the pond. Yeah. We'll be right back after this message from our sponsor. How was that in Merry Old England?

What was it like, you two? What was it like? It was fine. It was fun. It was fun. People were very nice. I got to visit with some European friends. That was great.

I think I attended the convention for three days and I spent two days flying back and forth. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. What about the weather? It's worth it. Was the weather okay, boys? The weather was perfect. The weather was nice, yeah.

The weather was very nice. The rare nice weather in England time. We had some alarms in our hotel go off while we were staying there. But aside from waking us up at 1 o'clock, 110, 120, 1.30, 140. The other thing about that hotel we stayed at, Armin, is it's a, so Blackpool is kind of like the Coney Island or Atlantic City of England, sort of. It's on the ocean, there's rides, there's, you know. It's a destination city then. There's roller coasters and all kinds of things.

Yeah. And this hotel we stayed at all of our rooms, it was built right on the edge of the amusement park. Oh, goodness. So the wooden roller coaster would come like 20 feet from. your bedroom window you'd hear every 10 minute five minutes or so people screaming the screaming started at 10 a.m. and ended at 8 but luckily during most of that time we were at the convention we were at the con yeah I couldn't believe it when I walked to the room I'm like what is that noise I opened the curtains there's a rollercoaster 10 feet of the window you could you can see

their faces as they're going past oh yeah oh you could touch their faces from where my window Ormond, did you see the train, the little choo-train that also went around? I saw it once or twice. And it was so awkward because it goes really slow. And so if you peek out and you touch their eye, you're like staring at these people 10 feet away as they slowly go by. Are they looking in your windows as well? To me, they did. Yeah, when I poke my head out, I was like, oh, this is awkward.

All right. You know how at Disneyland and like the log ride, at one point there's a camera and it snaps a photo of everyone in the thing, right? And at the end, you can buy it. Listen, this could have been a frinky moment for either of you. You could have taken a photo out of the people as they're on the roller coaster, printed, like a Polaroid, and then just, and then sell it at the end when they come down. So, there you go. I missed an opportunity there.

I'm so sorry. Sounds like a perfect idea. Oh, my goodness. I didn't know you guys had that type of noise disruption. But isn't that dangerous in terms of, aren't there like zoning laws against having a roller coaster 20 feet outside of a hotel? I mean, it was, it was that close. But the lovely thing was you could, you could sleep until eight, no noise. And if you went to sleep after, oh, until 10, actually.

And if you went to sleep after eight, there was no noise. It was perfect. Yeah, yeah. But I just want to add to what you said in the beginning, Armand, a lot of people coming up and complimenting the Delta Flyers. But you've also noticed, and I noticed as well, because I also attended a convention as well recently, There's still a ton of people who, when they come to the table, they're like, what? There's a podcast? They don't even know.

And so we always have our QR code and some type of a little link there for everyone. I was giving out cards. You guys had given me cards. I was giving out cards as I was signing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's good to get the word out there because you're right, Garrett. A lot of people don't know about the podcast.

All right. Birthdays? Shall we go into that? All right, we got a couple of birthdays this time around. We've got our first birthday is loose. Luce R on September 9th, happy birthday, Luce. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, loose.

Happy birthday, and don't lose your children at your birthday party because you have a tendency to misplace your children on exciting days like that day. I feel that's an inside joke. So anyway, happy birthday. She doesn't really lose her children. She doesn't really do that, exactly. Exactly. We want to make that clear. We know loose quite well. And it's just a funny thing. Anyway, moving on, we also have Danielle Kaminsky on September 13th. Happy birthday to Danielle. Happy birthday, Danielle.

It's time. Let's not even wait for this. Let's jump right into this. Go, Robbie McNeil. Yes, poetry time. Poetry, poetry. Here we go. This was a very sweet episode and heartbreaking. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my goodness. Did not expect this episode. No, no. Yeah, we'll get into it.

But yeah, we'll get, let's, let's start with Robbie's Limerick for. I just say that because it was so emotional, I might cry during my, oh, wow. No, maybe, maybe probably not. That's me. I do the crying, Robbie. You don't do the crying. All right, here we go with my Limerick adjacent poem. Some Cardassians arrive on the stage.

and Quark's love, for one, shows no hesitation. Garrick seems like a spy till he makes Tehran die, and Quark's love feelings get some deep validation. Oh, very nice, very nice. Very nice. Lovi-dovey-dove. Very. All right.

And here is my haiku for profit and loss. Long-lost love returns. Political dissidents. Odo for justice. nice very good nice very good i don't know why but my voice is slowly turning into benjamin cisco oh no for justice it's just doing that today sometimes some days i wake up where you guys know this you guys know this there's days when you wake up where your your register of your voice is lower than other days right where it just dips do you ever have that right yeah

where it's kind of raspy and more ben ciscoy you know in a way so i i felt that way today mine is usually like an adolescent boy squeaking and cracking yes ma'am okay good okay you etymology time please etymology so it's got you know two words and so i've got two definitions we'll start with profit the word profit comes from the old French word gruffi or perhaps porphi meaning to advance was first found in either 1315 or 1340 the definition of course

is the advantage or benefit of a community person or thing or its use or its interest but the word is pretty old and comes from the French French the original Ferengis can we say that I don't know invented the word profit

They did. They did. They did. Pofi, which means poor fee. And the word loss. Yes. Appears first in the middle of the 14th century in English. And it may be a back formation of the past participle lost.

The definition is perdition, ruin, distraction, the condition or fact of being lost, destroyed, or in the case of quarry, Ruined. Poor quark. Is there a country of origin for loss at all? Oh, middle English. It would be England.

English, yeah. Thank you. Profit and loss. Yeah, I expected a whole money episode from that title. I thought it was all going to be about Latin. I did not expect a love story. You thought the entire episode was a Latin. As much as it's a love story, and of course, that's what I took part in.

It's also an enormously important episode for Garrett. and his and for the station understanding a little bit better of who Garrett is and for the audience to understand a little bit better who Garrett is and I have to say Andy's performance is wonderful we'll get to the scene between Quark and and Garrick but I had totally forgotten about that scene and that is one I drooled over watching this time I went And oh, whoa, that is real.

Andy is not firing on all cylinders. Yeah, but you were firing on all cylinders. Yes, I was. That was. But you know, all life comes from the other person. I agree. But that scene, that scene, Armand, that was a full meal. That was a full meal between you and Cork and Garrick.

There is a, we'll get to it. I won't take up the time now, but when we get to it, I have a couple more things to say that. Okay. Let's get some of the Dietz out of the way. All right. So let's talk about, let's go to director. Director is Robert Weimer and written by Flip. I thought it was Philip, but it's not.

It's Flip, Kobler, and Cindy Marcus. Any notes or any comments on either the writers or directors are... Mr. Weimer, that's the only episode of Deep Space Nine that he ever directed. I believe he did about eight or nine next generation. He wasn't a prolific director, so I'm wondering how he got the job. actually not that he did a bad job i'm not saying that but it's the only time he directed on our show and yes he had directed on tn g but when i looked at his background he he wasn't he didn't do a lot of directing i wonder if he was a friend of ricks or somebody you know did i pronounce his name

correctly guys is it weimer or weemer i don't know i'm i'm saying weimer but it could be weamer okay because the eye becomes and he's passed away now so we can't ask him i okay yeah he did he did pass away in 2014. I'm just looking at some of his credits. Okay. Yeah, he's directed some, but you're right. It's not it's not like a prolific

list that often you would expect from some of his veteran directors. And why did he only direct once? That seems to indicate that the powers of B in the producers building weren't happy with what he did. And I wasn't

unhappy with what he did. But in fact there's some shots I went wow he really gave us new looks into the station but I wonder why I was only one I have a hint go ahead I have an instinct I did find

I think there was one scene with you and Odo in this episode where you were moving around a lot I don't know if you remember the scene I do remember that yeah and I made a note and I thought the blocking was really wonderful and complex and amplified the moments of the scene it was really

well done well staged but most of the episode wasn't if if i'm being honest most of it was a lot of people standing around just talking for a long time and i know rick berman mentioned to me many times i've said this before on podcast he always calls he says you know this is motion pictures something needs to be moving the actor needs to be moving or the camera needs to be moving i don't want still life paintings i want movement and there wasn't a ton of movement with a camera or the actors in this. So that could be why. And I have also my theory and I'll bring that up later. We come across it. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about guest stars. Yes. Mary Crosby as Natima Lang, none other than the daughter of Bing Crosby and hence the aunt or aunt

of Denise Crosby graduated high school at 15 and was the youngest person accepted into the American Conservatory Theater. The youngest acceptee at that time. I guess, to the ACT, which is a pretty amazing. Yes. Was a very good school. Yes. I don't know how it is now, but it was one of the... Kitty went there.

Did she? Oh, I didn't know that. She took a summer course there. Okay. I almost went to their two-year program. I was accepted, and that's, yeah, anyway. It was a great school. Back in the 70s especially was maybe one of the best.

Okay. Mary Crosby, yes, Mary Crosby is best known for her role as Kristen Shepard on Dallas. Spoiler, it was her character that shot J.R. Ewing. So that's a huge thing. And she shot Gwark as well, by the way. Yeah. Watch out for that

lady with a gun in her hands. Exactly. The episode after the revelation or the revealing of the shooter episode, which is right after J.R. Ewing was shot. That was rated the highest. It was the highest rated program in television history at the time.

And it remains until this day, the second most watched television episode in the United States of America. Wow. So a lot of people know who she is because of that. Hello. Wow. I would think so. Yeah.

Yes. Other guest stars, of course, Andy Robinson is Garrick. We have Michael Riley Burke as Hogue. Robbie, any work with Mr. Burke at all as directing him or anything? No, I don't think so. He's about your age, to be honest. Armin, had you worked with... No.

Okay. No. And as the episode proves, there wasn't a lot of interaction between... Between us. Very little. Maybe in that first scene. But I have a little story about Mr. Michael Riley Burke. Yes.

So when I was actively, you know, starting my career as an actor before booking Voyager, I used to go to this, I think it was called San Francisco Saloon in West Los Angeles. I would go there to eat dinner by myself. So I'd sit at the bar and my bartender was always Michael Riley. Oh, really? Yeah, it was such a nice guy. Like, he literally, he's got one of those smiles. I mean, you can't tell with all the Cardassian makeup on him, but he's got this just awesome curly hair and just this really amazing smile.

So it was one of those things where you felt really comfortable going there, you know, it's like, oh, there he is. And he's super nice, right? So he was a great bartender as well. So I ate dinner there a lot. And then when I saw him in, because he's done not only this, he's done a couple of other episodes. He played Goval or Goval in the next generation's Descent Part 2.

He played Borg. The Borg costume that he wore went on to be worn by John Delancey, when John Delancey comes in, I guess, in some episode as a Borg. And also by Tom Stutman, Tom. Oh, my God, probably. Who's our Stubman? Morga? Yes. Tom Morga?

Mercury is not only in retrograde for just the world, but for my brain right now. I can't even remember Tom Morgia. last name. Yes, Tom Morgan wore the same suit that Michael Riley Burke wore in TNG, Descent Part 2. Of course, he played Hogan in this episode, and he played Koss in the Enterprise episode, Home. Oh, in more than one, The Forge and Kier Shara, excuse me, he did three episodes. So, Armand, yeah, he got his just desserts. He did, you know, yeah, you're right. Because they sort of slighted him and Heidi both in this episode. Big time, yes. And Armin's referring to Heidi Swedberg, who played Raquelin, the other political dissident student, how we're going to

call them. And of course, Edward Wiley, or Wiley probably, yes, Edward Wiley as Tehran or Tehran. Who was recently, I remember him telling me that he had recently moved from L.A., from New York to L.A. So he was very happy to have the job. Although he was there, this episode is when we had the major earthquake in L.A. and it was quite a shake. up in the makeup trailer while we were experiencing the earthquake. Yeah. That was the Northridge quake, right? That was the big.

Yeah, there was two quakes that affected Star Trek production. This was one of them, right? There's another one later on. And interesting enough, I think there were other actors during that disturbance that were in Cardassian makeup as well. So that was an interesting parallel there. One other fact that I want to bring up for Robbie about Michael Riley Burke, he was cast as Rex Vanda Camp

in the original pilot for Desperate Housewives? Oh. But was replaced by another recurring Star Trek Enterprise actor, Stephen Culp for the series. Oh, Steve. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But Michael Riley Burke had Steve Culp's role originally.

I think I was looking at Michael Riley Burke's credits too. It looks like he got his sag card doing the next generation episode. That's his very first credit. As the Borg, my goodness. Yeah. So Star Trek got him started. It looks like. It's so crazy.

Yeah. Well, interesting, interesting. I love that there were, I mean, I don't love that there was an earthquake, but it's fascinating. Speaking of which, we had an earthquake here in L.A. yesterday. I heard. Oh, my goodness. Not as big as that one. No, no, no, no, not anywhere near.

But I, it sort of went, are we having an earthquake? I guess we are. Yes, we are. It was a very, it was like four or to five somewhere. It wasn't that big. It wasn't that big. Yeah. Yeah, you know it's a four or five level.

you have to question the person next to you. Is this an earthquake? I'm not sure. You know it's a four-fiber. Yeah. Yeah, that Northridge quake was in 94, I think. It was the year, 94, yeah. It was the year that we started filming Voyager later that year.

But I was doing a series called Second Chances, I think, was the name of it. Yes. In Northridge were our stages. And I was going to work. that morning. I was supposed to be not a 6 a.m. call. I had a 7 a.m. call or something.

But when the quake went off at 4.35 o'clock in the morning, obviously there was no communication. I wasn't going to go to work. I found out later that our stages collapsed in Northridge and all the sets were destroyed. They canceled the show after. Are you serious? On the show you were working on?

Oh, my God. Rob, you know what that means? If you guys were in production and it happened, And someone would have really been injured. Or worse. Yeah, the stages just didn't make it. They collapsed. Yeah.

And we were very lucky. We were in the makeup trailer. At least those of us in the makeup trailer were in the makeup trailer. Right. And we felt it. But it wasn't huge because the makeup trailer has shocks and springs. And actually, it was only after the earthquake was over that the real danger happened because I got up in my lights had gone out.

So they had lit some candles. And my arm flicked one of the candles and knocked it into the alcohol. So we had a little bit of a flame for a second or two. But that was post-earthquake. That was post-air. I could just see this in my mind. You flick it over into the alcohol and you hear Renee going, quark! Like that all upset.

Lucky for me, Renee was not there that morning. Yeah. Well, at least you guys were in the makeup trailer. You weren't on the set. But, of course, some of you had makeup already applied on. You had the, you know, so alien makeup. Now, in Memory Alpha online and various sources, it talks about the actors sort of rushed home in their cars with their makeup on. Is that correct?

That is correct. In my case, I don't know about the others. I believe Andy was there. Andy Robinson, plays Garrick, was there that day as well in the trailer. I believe Mr. just forgotten his name. Hold on. I'm going to come back at Mr. Wiley. Mr. Wiley was there.

And Mary Crosby was there, I believe, that morning as well as all the makeup artists who were plumbing the makeup. Right. But we got shook up. Andy was able to call Irene, his wife, and find out there wasn't much damage to his house because where his house is, which is high up on a cliff. And I was able to finally get hold of Kitty, my wife, and she said, said yeah we've had some damage so i decided i was going to go home but i'd already been glued into my prosthetics and and karen said well take another hour to get you out of this and i said i can't wait for that so i said i'm going to go home and the second ad said well you can't leave the law in that

makeup because contractually you're not allowed to i wasn't allowed to yeah and i said stop me i'm going home to my wife. And I turned to Karen, who lived about a mile from me, my makeup artist, and I said, when you've checked your house and everything's fine, come over to my house. She certainly knew where that was. And we'll take off the makeup then. So I got in my car. At that moment, there were no lights in Los Angeles. All the traffic lights had stopped. And people were being very good, very good about letting the person on the right go through the intersection and everybody was taking their turns. I got to somewhere in Hollywood.

I wasn't taking the freeway, so I was taking the local streets. And I remember there was a four-by-four facing me, and he caught me in his headlights. I'm in my full Ferengi makeup. It's not colored, but it is the prosthetics around. And he just goes like this. He waves me through.

And for days after that, I looked in the inquirer to see if anyone had written about aliens invading Los Angeles. But I didn't see any articles. Yes, yeah, Garrett. For those of you listening and not watching, Armin just, his eyes just slowly got bigger and bigger and bigger. As his jaw dropped. And he just waves Armin through. You've got right away, Mr. Alien. Yes, right.

Director Robert Weimer was quoted as saying regarding you guys driving home and people seeing you in makeup, it must have seemed like the bowels of the earth had opened up and those creatures had come out. So very, very funny. Oh, my goodness. And when I got home, my dogs were frantic

because of me. But they did. They sort of looked at me like, you smell right, but you don't look right. You don't look right. That's funny. Well, let's see. get into the episode. Let's start right in. So first scene, we're in ops. There's a big ship on

the view screen. It looks like the ship is, you know, damage in some way. It's going to floating. It's meandering, yeah. Yeah, it's like leaking some plasma as well. You have a effect there. The ship's disabled, but Kira says definitely Cardassian ship. And they try hailing them, no response to hail. So Cisco orders a tractor beam. It says pull them into cargo bay. By the way, like, would you pull a ship into cargo bay? That's what I noticed. They, They did some special effects there where maybe Dan Curry did some painting or something, but it looked like it was being drawn into the cargo bay. I don't think we ever did that again.

I don't think we ever did it before that. Yeah. Seems like you would, because they mentioned docking clamps all the time. Yeah, well, the docking clamps are on the station. Let's see, for those of you who can see my chair in the station behind me, now you can't see it. There are clamps, especially at the top. On the pylons on the top, there are clamsome. But as long as you remember, Robbie, on Voyager,

we never factored anyone into our docking bay, correct? We never did that. I don't think so. We had a different situation. Yeah. We had a... You had parking spots. Terric Nor is about bringing freighters in and loading them with ore.

I mean, Teraknor is... We call it Deep Space Nine, but the Kardashians call it Territour. And it was... It's a mining station, so there are... facilities for having ships and cargo vessels and things well they pull them into the to the cargo bay we cut over to the cargo bay and the door opens again i got a comment i love the doors on your set the those round like giant gears that roll i just think it's such a cool yeah it's a cool look yeah and this very soft-spoken cardassian beautiful woman steps out of the the door with two

of her students. Actually, the students come first. Oh, the students come first. Yes, right. And then Mary is in the docking, is, is, is, is, is right where the door usually, yeah. Yeah. I just want to say, Bob Blackman, good job on that dress. That's a very beautiful dress. A piece of wardrobe on her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, beautiful dress. She's very soft-spoken. As she was in life. As she, I mean, she's, oh, really? Okay. Very soft-spoken, very sweet. Really a dear to work with. Just, just, just. And considering all the shit we threw on her face, she never complained about that at all.

Wow. And not just on her face. In certain scenes, it goes all the way down, her clavicle and, you know, very, very elaborate. Very elaborate. And the wigs and the hair and all. She had, you know, beautiful kind of hairdo up here and then a long piece in the back. Never complained at all.

And considering what she had done already as an actress, usually you get a little complaint here. in there or frustration. Not a word from her. Never, ever. Wow. I love hearing that. Yeah.

That's great. Well, she tells them that they were caught in a meteor storm and asked them for some help with repairs. And she does mention this scene. She's like, she says something like, you know, we don't want to, you know, Cardassians on the station on a Bajoran station. We don't want to stay here for long. Like, we don't want to cause any trouble.

So she seems like a very super sweet, you know, empathetic. nice Cardassian teacher harmless right but we haven't seen that many empathetic sweet cardassians no it's kind of refreshing to see this yeah and she's concerned about being a cardassian on a Bajoran station yeah yes yeah very concerned about that the one thing at the end of the scene when Cisco says you know mr. O'Brien can fix your ship in the meantime you're welcome to stay here and if you stick to the promenade I'm sure there won't be any trouble now when he said that, I thought, that seems like the last place you would want three Cardassians strolling down Main Street.

Seems like bad advice from Cisco. And not very cordial, not very cordial. We almost always, if we're visiting the ship, we always found quarters for people. So why keep them in the promenade? Repairs are going to take much longer than that. I mean, it's not like you're waiting for your tires to be changed. It just seemed uncourcial. I know it's necessary for the story.

But it just seemed like, it just didn't seem cordial. Well, because we've already seen, they always find quarters for any guests that shows up. And they tell these folk, hey, just hang out in the town square. You'll be fine. But everything happens in the town square. So that's not a good choice, I don't think. Yeah. No.

Funny. Well, off of Cisco's advice to go stroll around Main Street, we cut to quarks. Yeah. And there's a meal being served to Bashir and Garrick. They're discussing, basically having a nice... And I just want to point out, meals being served by my waiter whose name is Broick, played by David Levinson,

who was my stand-in for seven years. I was very happy to see Broick featured in that shot of him coming up the steps and serving the meal. Yeah. Yeah, it was a nice shot. It was a nice shot. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Like, I think the directing had some good, moments. But I think the thing, there were some longer scenes where it got really static. And I thought, oh, not much creativity and, you know, doing it the simple way. But this was nice. Nice opening. The meal gets served. Bashir and Garrick are having a deep philosophical conversation, basically about loyalty. And Garrick, they're talking about some Kardashians where one of the brothers turned the other brother in. And Garrick says, well, I would protect the state. over my own family. Just, you know, I agree with that Cardassian

that turned his brother in. Well, just to be precise, Robbie, it was a story about Trelonians, not Cardassians. Like, I initially thought, I initially thought it was also Cardassians, but in my second watching of this episode, I'm like, oh, okay, because it says, what's a Trelonian?

Yeah, he goes, are you telling me you agreed with General Geary's decision to execute his brother? He goes, Garrick says, of course I agree. Geary's brother was a traitor to the Trelonian government. So it's like, it's like, Oh, I thought it was some other, yeah, some other species. Yeah, they are in other species. It's not about the Cardassian people themselves.

But clearly, the Trillonians are well known in the galaxy, I guess, because the way they're talking about it, seems like that. Do you know who the Trolonians are? I don't know them. Armand, do you know the Trollone? No, no. It's very possible that they aren't necessarily known all over the galaxy, but they are part of the Cardassian Empire.

Okay, there you go. That's probably what it is. Well, they're talking about loyalty, basically. Yes. And Bashir says something I thought was really interesting. He said, you know, you can't be loyal to anyone until you've been loyal to yourself first. Yeah. I just like that thought.

I do. And this philosophical discussion is fun. And Garik answers, sentiments like those, you wouldn't last five seconds on Cardassia. Yes, exactly. But to Robbie's point, I found this episode to have some really amazing dialogue in terms of, you know, from the writers. I really enjoyed some of these scenes a lot. Well, Bashir does in this conversation fish a bit about Garrick being a spy or an outcast. You know, he's fishing for more information.

And Garrick is being very coy and just toys with him doesn't admit anything. He won't. We'll not admit if he's a spy. But he does admit it in this in a way as well. Because when he says, or maybe I'm an outcast spy, because we do learn later on that he is in exile, so he is an outcast. And in a way, he's the one that, you know, was the one that sent the message to the Central Command for Cardassian Central Command and therefore he is a spy. So he is admitting something, I think, in this scene. Yeah.

Even though the way he says it, it's almost, he's toying with Bashir. He's definitely toying with him. He's, because he says, Bashir says, well, maybe you're an outcast. maybe, and then Garrick says, well, maybe I'm an outcast spy. The shirt goes, how can you be both? Garrick says, I never said I was either. It's very clever rhetoric. It's very clever rhetoric.

Very clever. And brilliantly done by Andy Robbins. Yes. Gosh. Agreed. We go to another part of Quarks downstairs. Odo has just walked in. Odo's interrogating Quark about some rumor he heard.

But gently, gently. He only will very, very gently pulls the costume with one finger. as opposed to some of the other people on this show. I was going to say, I think, you know, how you were saying when you started this show, you and Renee were at odds because of a stage production that you did. But by this point, I think your friendship is there because you're right. It's almost like he hooks your little, he hooks his finger inside where he can get it behind the button and gently nudges you towards him.

And I said, wow, that's the way I like to see people treating Armand Sherman. I don't like the rough The rough housing. Yeah, we've seen the rough housing. People throw you around like a rag doll in the prior episodes that we've seen. It's too much. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm welcome. I also thought about the makeup department when Renee did this instead of grabbing you hard. The makeup and wardrobe was probably like, oh, thank God. Thank God. Later on in the episode, the makeup department was

not frustrated, enormously frustrated, which I'll tell you about when they, moment when we get there okay does it have to do with kissing i want to know it does okay okay i thought so okay so yeah but uh oto comes in and he interrogates quirk very gently very nicely accuses him of having a small cloaking device which quirk denies adam and that and just to add that cloaking device is the exact same device that was used on our show robbie on voyager in the episode, Live Fast and Prosper, as Neelix's malfunctioning heating coil. So it wasn't a cloaking device on Voyager, but it served as a heating coil. Oh, how interesting. Yes. I wonder if, and I don't

know the answer to this, you know, we had two separate shows, Voyager and DS9, separate crews, separate departments. But I wonder for props, there must have been some mixing and matching. Wash over. Yeah. Alan Sims was our prop master. Was he your prop master as well? No. We have. We had a Pat and Bud. Well, they must have just... But they could have, you know, they could have had a store store where they all shared, yes. I feel that just as they repurpose garments

between different Star Trek shows, they also repurpose props. Because after Voyager, it was used yet again on Enterprise in the episode exile as a piece of Zindy Debreed, the antagonists in the show. Mr. Berman's saving money. Yeah, because these Star Trek shows just don't make any money.

money for anybody so you got to count for the actors anyway but it's a cool looking prop though i i like that prop it was it looked good on good it was cool and i'm glad paramount saved some money i am too you know i worry about them i worry about poor paramount and redstone poor sumner redstone did didn't they sell it recently i think they said the redstone yeah they got rid of it okay all right we go the promenade next because at the uh so talking to Odo, he sees something and just cuts the conversation, starts running through the crowd, excuse me, excuse me, out of my way, moving people out of the way, runs out to the promenade where he saw Natima. Yes. And runs up to meet her, calls her name, she knows

his name. She's not happy to see him. And she slaps him. Right. She backhands him. It was when I saw that this time I went oh my god all the women I was involved with always backhanded me why is that not Pell not in the not in rules of acquisition back in a future episode it's always a backhand I'm the first thing out of the barrel is that she backhands me they both did the team in this in this episode and and Clingon lady in another episode in another one. It was specifically a backhand for the Klingon as well. This was a good hit, though.

Like sometimes those slaps, you guys sold it. Yeah, you sold it. Really well done. Good job. But she backhands him. Odo appears at the end of the scene when she slaps him, says, I told you never to speak to me again.

She exits and Odom comes up kind of confused and asks if you're all right. And Cork says, this is the happiest day of my life. I was like, this doesn't seem happy. You got reversal. No, but again, it was a great tag on the end of that scene. And you hand the jar of alcohol to Odo and head off to your true love.

Which, good for the director. He used that handoff there later on. Yeah, he did. I had totally forgotten about that. I went, oh, that's good, good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, tracking all those things.

Yeah. After Quark says this is a happy day of my life, we go to the opening title sequence, which is, again, just a beautiful opening title sequence. It is. And then we see Quark running to catch up with Natima and her students by the spiral staircase. He really wants them to come have a drink. He mentions a Samarian sunset. Come into the bar, have a Samarian sunset. And she says, I don't drink Samarian sunsets anymore.

clearly there's a history here I was very intrigued yeah and I want a Samarian sunset I do too yeah look good she doesn't drink them anymore because those drinks remind her of him so yeah they've got history for sure and then cork grabs the students by the arms you sort of like grab the students escort them and turn them sharply like you're not taking no for an answer you're coming to have a drink right you've got to come into the bar you got to come into the bar you got to come into the bar Right. He does ask, Quirk does ask about the classes, what she teaches. And Hogue says political ethics.

And Reckelin, the female. Raquelin. She says about Natima that her teachings will change the future of Cardassia. So you know that there's some... Something going on. Politics and, yeah, something's going on there. And Natima is even like No, don't talk about that

Like that's enough She doesn't want them spilling any beans here And technically she's right They the two characters Hogan Raquelin They should have known better Yes They really should have known better

If they're fugitives who will be killed And if they're If they're leaders This is one of the things I had a problem with this episode They should have treated these two characters The students a little with more regard and deeper thinking.

They didn't know whether to treat them like teenagers or to treat them like political activists. They weren't quite sure how to do that. Yeah. I think that's a, yeah, smart observation. Yeah, they treated them kind of like lower status. Like, you know, they were kind of the dumb students. Right, yeah.

When, in fact, they have much higher status than Tima as far as Cardassia is concerned. Right, right. And also your last line before you leave to go prepare that drink because it's only her drink that you make. You say, you're right, it'll be better. I'll be right back with refreshments, but they should have wrote refreshment and not put the S on there. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, she's still mad. He goes to get a drink for Natima. And over by the bar, Odo appears. This is where he's got that bottle. Yeah, that's right. He brings it back. And I thought that was a great touch. It's a good detail.

Good detail. Yeah. But that's not the only thing. You start with that bottle, but you also add other bottles to form to formulate this drink. And it's of note that everything that you pour in there is clear liquid, which then serves its purpose later on, which was so cool. We've never seen anything like that. Nor sense. Absolutely.

Really? Wow. It's an amazing effect. I liked a lot. Yeah. Okay. Well, Odo appears with his bottle, sees Quirk, he comments that Quirk seems very nervous. Cork reveals that he was, that he was the love of her life when she had worked on the station, Natina.

It was before Odo's time. So he's, you know, this is stuff that Odo wouldn't be aware of. This happened before Odo was the constable here. And we learned that she was a correspondent for the Cardassian Information Service. And that she served on the station. He takes the drink, the single drink, back over to Natima, and sends the students off to the bar. Yeah.

Basically, he says them, oh, hey, you guys, if you want to drink, you should go over there. Yeah. Get out of here. Kicks them out. And they start to catch up. Is this when the effect happens where he taps the side of the drink and it goes, when it glows, it was so nice. Yeah.

It's a very nice effect. And considering how little. it has to do with the story really that they spent that much money on that little effect i'm really quite impressed by that you know it seems it makes the drink seem very special like very rare and exclusive and yeah so it bonds them even tighter that the you know the drink that they shared with each other was right and and something that obviously he doesn't serve every day and and he wants it to be perfect. So, Armand, we, when we were doing Delta Flyers before we had you guys join us,

Robbie used to do this extra bit for our Patreon patrons where he would do drinks with, what was it called the segment, Robbie? Cocktails with Tom Paris. Cocktails with Tom Paris. This could have been an amazing cocktail. Well, no, I would say, instead of Samarian Sunset, you could have made your own version called the Salamander Sunset, but still, ping like that where you hit it and it just glows like that. Anyway.

Basically, you know, she comments on quarks that it looks like he's, you know, been successful. But he admits he just really missed her. And as they're catching up, Garrick and Bashir come down the stairs and the Tima. And the students panic, basically. They thought that all the Kardashians were off the station. But before we don't know that, though, that why they're panicked. If I may, before we go ahead. Before we go ahead and I just I took these notes and I want to get them in Quark says to

Natima you know you're as beautiful as ever and the team it says and you're as big a liar as ever and then again talking about direction and and Mary Crosby there's a beautiful beautiful shot of her eyes so that the audience gets to see what Quark is seeing a beautiful beautiful set of eyes and then he of course asks her so how long are you going to be on the station and then garrick yes yes exactly yeah just as he's getting into that how long are you going to be here she's like uh-oh got to get out of here it's because she didn't expect to see another cardassian no right but we don't know what the dealio is as the audience though no it hasn't it hasn't come out that the uh the damage to that that ship was cardassian uh phasers basically yep

we go to ops next miles o'brien tell cisco that the ship was not hit by a meteor shower it was hit by cardassian weapons so they lied as they're talking about uh it not being a meteor shower that it was cardassian weapons uh natima arrives and she really wants her ship she needs it now and before cisco can even bring up the cardassian weapons fire she brings it up she admits it She shows up. I mean, she comes up the turbo lift. Again, not through a door or anything, but actually through the turbo lift,

which wasn't easy to operate. And she shows up with the two students and says, you're right. You're right. We weren't hit by meteors. Right. Yeah. Yeah, she admits it, admits it right away.

Yeah. And she said the reason we lied is because Cardassian politics are private. We keep these things to themselves. And again, my quote what I thought is of a lovely, line. We didn't tell you the truth because Cardassians don't tell outsiders about their internal politics. And for the story arc of learning more about Cardassian and its politics, this is really good. And that particular line is so intrinsic to the Garrick character. That is the core of

Garrick we only tell you what what we think you need to know and even then it it may be a half truth right yeah you're right that's an important uh quality in court and excuse me garrick's son garick's story yeah yeah but we never but we have never heard of any type of instability within the cardassian regime that you know there's always been this totalitarian and a sort of military, you know, ruled by the military. And we don't see that until this episode. And the students so, oh, my goodness. The minute I saw them, she's talking about them, we find that they're, you know,

they're the student leaders of this under, Cardassian underground, basically. It just reminded me of the students in Hong Kong back when, you know, they led the revolt, the rebellion, and they were in Tiananmen Square, and then the government definitely cracked out on those. Yeah, it was just the same feeling. The student of revolts that cause a whole culture to change. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think it was smart of them.

Like, when they arrived, when the team under students arrived, they were in very civilian-looking clothes, which we haven't seen Cardassians really. Garrick, I guess, a little bit, but he feels closer to the military than they did. They felt very civilian. Yes. First time. Yeah. And I think I'd ever seen Cardassians dressed like that. I didn't even clock that.

You're right. They have nothing military on. It's very casual, yeah. And lucky then, because those Cardassian costumes were the worst costumes as far as wearing for actors in anything we ever did. Because they're all based on wetsuits. Yeah. So you're wearing a wetsuit with material over it. And the moment you start to sweat, it just stays in there and it gets hotter and hotter.

Oh, and with the hot stage lighting of the 1990s, my goodness. Goodness. Not our stage. Our stage was purposely kept very cold. Oh, really? Because we had so many aliens. Oh, my gosh. I would have loved working on your show on your stage. I felt sorry for the, for the Starfleet people in their skimpy jumpsuits. But the rest of us who were in a lot of, a lot of material, it was, it wasn't unpleasant at all. But they kept it icy cold for us. Wow. Okay. Because you never wore. I see cold. No, it wasn't. And Armand, because you never wore a Starfleet uniform.

So at least I, not any of the episodes we've seen. I didn't. Okay. I didn't even, all right. Our uniforms, you call them Skippy, they're actually wool blend. So they were so hot. They were really hot and stiff. Ours were.

I don't know about, I don't know about on if it was exactly the same on DS9. It looked pretty close, Robbie. They just, except for the ironed the collar. So they stuck out a little bit, right? Well, I'm actually glad to hear that because it was. cold on our stage? Yeah. They had some protection. Yeah, it was wool. If it was the same as ours, it was a wool blend.

It was hot. Oh, my gosh. It did not breathe. Nope. No. No. Uh-oh. We'll be right back after this message from our sponsor. Well, anyway, so she admits that she lied, the team admit she lied and that their politics are private. And she's got to get these students to safety or they will be killed by the Kardashians. and if they're killed, so is the future of Cardassia.

Like this student-led civilian government will not happen if these guys are captured. Right. And this is when Cisco gives them quarters. It's like, you know, if you had just given them quarters in the beginning, Carrick never would have saw them, but now he offers the quarters. That's always necessary for this story. Yes, of course. Yeah, we go inside.

we go inside the commander's office. Natima does explain in this scene more about her students being leaders of the civilian government movement and the governments tried to kill them before. Cisco does kind of start to understand that they're fugitives in the scene. And she does say, she mentions that they saw another Cardassian.

And Cisco's comment is, yes, that Garrick is a real mystery. to us so you see like they feel the same you know Cisco feels the same way the audience does watching this like what is he a good guy is he a bad guy yeah Bashir has been trying for a very long time to crack that nut that enigma yeah and I'm sure he's reporting back to his boss yeah yeah Cisco says he's a mystery and and does finally Garrett you're right finally give them some quarters and also says that there be more work for us working on their ship to repair it he understands the the imminent threat and and will do more to help them get off the ship as soon as possible yeah now we go to garrick's uh tailor shop and this is the scene with uh garick and quark

here yeah wonderful scene really a wonderful scene why i had forgotten about it i don't know it's really a very good scene very well written You're basically talking about this dress and fashion, but you're not really talking about fashion. You're talking about everything else. Yeah, it's a brilliantly constructed scene, and the writing is delicious. Yeah, it was amazing.

Truly amazing. Yeah, great scenes. Yeah, this is when I was watching the scene, and I immediately thought, my goodness, I feel like I'm watching something on Turner Classic movies. You know, this is when I felt like, this is like a black and white film. This is a film from the 30s.

of 40s. And of course, the original teleplay for this episode very closely paralleled the plot of the 1942 Academy Award-winning film Casablanca. Oh, I never made that connection. I did not make that connection. Just look at the last shot. Look at the last shot of the episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, I guess the working title of this episode was actually, here's looking at you, but they were afraid of copyright issues. And so they changed, yeah, we're not going to put the line from Casablanca in, as our title of our episode, they changed that for that reason alone to avoid any type of legalities.

Right. Well, very interesting. Yeah. So they're talking about the fashion and the dress that Quark notices. And comes in, Quark says, I want that dress. I want to buy it and says, you know, 17 strips of Latin. I mean, Quark says, I'll give you a 20. That's not like Gwark.

That's not my corporate. Oh, no. And Garrick is basically saying, you know, making fashion choices is very dangerous. Yes. Like what you decide to wear could go out of fashion, and you wouldn't want that to happen. No. Yeah. So he's basically saying, don't pick the wrong fashion using it as a metaphor.

Cork admits that there are other Cardassians on board, and Garrick, says that he saw them as well. So they're both aware. It's a lot of like subtext this scene. It's all subtext. But it's so well written. It's so good. Garrick does say to Quark,

you know, tell her that she may not want to associate with such colorful people. She could get hurt. So by the end of this, they're kind of... Yeah, it could all end up like garbage. And then there's this wonderful rip of the garment.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, obviously has the same. subtext that she can be ripped out of the world. Really, whoever wrote it, and I don't know who wrote that particular scene or the number of people who did write it, just kudos to them. Just really, I've done 175 episodes. This is one of the best scenes I've ever seen on her show.

Yeah, it's really good. And you know what else makes this scene great? Armin, you grab Garrick by the collar at the end of this. scene. You grab Eric's collar. The tables have turned. Quark is grabbing other people.

I don't think I'd grab him by the collar. I may, I think I grabbed him somewhere else. By the shoulder or something. Yeah, by the shoulder. After all, he is taller than I am. I don't think I did that. But again,

kudos to Flip Kobler and Cindy Marcus, the writers, because the final line of this, the final piece of dialogue is from Quark in this scene. And he says, I think I'll buy this dress after all. See that it's mended.

Especially after the tear. See that it's mended. Come on, guys. That's awesome. What happens there, and I see that I did the right thing, is he puts him in his place. Your tradesman, you'll do as you're told. Even after he's been intimidated by what Garikas had to say. It's a lovely little turn at the end that I was doing.

very happy to see that choice had been made. One of the things Garrick says that again, for the subtext, he said, I find this style too radical. Just again, you don't

have to be a genius to understand that they're talking about politics. Oh yeah. It's so good. Okay, next we go to Natima's quarters and Quark has arrived. He says he wants to help her. He knows that she's in trouble.

and he begins, you know, a number of scenes where he's confessing his love very vulnerably and authentically. And I just thought it was a great performance. And surprisingly, because we did not expect this episode to be anything about this at all. Who knew Ferengi had heart? Who knew? Oh, my God. Exactly. You are a real romantic.

Well, we also get a little bit of backstory, a little bit of big. Because Natima says, I admired your courage. It was a brave thing you were doing, selling food to the pejorans. What? We didn't know any of that. So it's a nice little extra bit of tidbit that we find out about Quark. Yeah, I mean, it gave him just, and she also says it was a courageous thing to do, which is, again, an adjective that one doesn't associate with Quark or the other, Ferengi.

And I thought that's Ira and Robert Hewitt. expanding the ethos of the Ferengi culture that and especially my character that certainly you've been led to believe the quark is this kind of person but now you're hearing stuff that says well hold on now just a second you're calling him courageous you're calling him you know benevolent he has honor as a man of honor uh really um so that's the that's the genius of our writers of making sure that people don't just fall into a trap that thinking this any of our characters are only one dimension that we had multi-d dimensions well since you brought that up i do want to bring this up because in memory alpha and which came from their quote from star trek deep space nine companion it said that ire

was not a big fan of this episode because he felt yeah he felt that cork came across as too heroic bear felt that there were already enough heroic characters on the show and that this episode It should instead have been a Beauty and the Beast type of story with quark resembling Woody Allen. I felt we didn't need another tough, sexy, swashbuckling character on the show. We had enough of those. Why didn't he tell me that? I know.

I don't know. We needed more offbeat, interesting characters. It should have been a Beauty in the Beast or Woody Allen and every woman he's ever been with in the films. You don't take Woody Allen and make him into Bogart. You have Bogart telling Woody Allen how to behave, but he does it through his Woody Allen persona. scenes with Cork drove me mad. So I'm like, what?

I'm a little confused. Yeah, I disagree entirely. I understand where I was coming from, and he has often told me that he wish he had spent more time on the set, talking to the actors. You know, I got a Casablanca script. I'm going to play it as Rick. That's what I...

That's exactly. Unless you're telling me otherwise, I'm going to play it the way I think you want me to play it. Right. And I wish he had been there. I could have played more. And I think there's lots of Woody Allen in the performance. But I understand where he's coming from, and I just wish that they had been there to tell me that. Because certainly, Mr. Weimer or Weimer, he didn't tell me.

And I was working with Mary Crosby. I was doing my best to woo her, you know. Right. And the writers that we've been praising so far, they didn't write it that way either. You know what I'm saying? They write it. No, it's not written. I'm looking at the dialogue.

I don't know how you play, like Woody Allen. How do you do that? I mean, stay with me forever. It got quark there. So it's already half Woody Allen. It's half there. Yeah. But it's just what I said.

I'm playing something different. And because it's exciting to play something different. Yeah. And he's saying, no, I want you to play what you normally play. Right. I could have done that if you just told me. Yes. Yes.

But I'm glad that he didn't tell you because we get this episode. I like this performance a lot. We get a great performance out of you. So I mean, even in this, even in this scene, she talks about how she thought you were a man of honor. And your response is, uh, shouldn't have trusted me. You should have known better. I'm, I'm Ferengi. You should have known better or something like that.

Yeah. Like, he's even owning the fact that I can be this and that. I can have honor and be a Ferengi. Yeah. And that's what I found interesting about it. I think if, if it had been played, you know, more one dimensionally, I don't think it would have been as is interesting. Yeah. It isn't like, you know, it isn't as though I became a hero in the next episodes.

I don't. Right. It's just one instance. And my God, even Woody Allen falls in love and has real emotions about the women that he's involved with, one would assume. Exactly. And you're far more handsome than Woody Allen. Let's just move on. Okay.

Michael Biller also said this is, this was a disappointing episode in this. season for me and I and this is another de-space log book second season companion quote and I disagree with that too so I loved this episode personally I think it was a great up I think sometimes it's about expectations right yeah they probably had lots of conversations in the writer's room where oh it'll be like casablanca except with a ferengi and they you know they're in their minds their expectation was something as you said armand they didn't communicate that no and we don't know the full context of it all. So I don't want you to be offended by these comments, Armand, you know, at the bottom line.

I'm not offended at all. It's 25 years ago. I don't know. Yeah, exactly. All right. Just want to make sure you're okay. No, I think it's great. I think it's great that, that, Armand, your choice was to make him a Ferengi and a hero.

And I think that's really a much better choice. He can be both. Yeah. We do find out, though, yes, he was doing this honorable thing, giving, you know, selling food or getting food for the Bajorans. Right. But he was also skimming. a little off the top. He used Natima's personal access codes to authorize some payments.

They weren't going to miss it. They weren't going to miss it. Yeah, they could afford it, Quartz, says. They could have. Yeah, but he admits that, yeah, I skimmed a little off the top. He says, I was a Ferengi. What did you expect? But I can be a good guy, too. That's what I found really fascinating about the scene. So great job. I thought it was great. She says, and how could you betrayed me um and he he says um but what i really regret is betraying your trust that was the worst mistake of my life yeah um how do you play that as as woody allen yeah exactly that's what i'm saying yes exactly um can i just quick a quick interjection a little non-sec well not really a non-sec But, Armand, when you're doing a scene like this where this is the love of your life,

are you using substitution when you do that? I mean, what kind of, as an actor, I'm just curious of your prep work or what you do to get to that point. It's probably a combination of two things. I will be honest that on the rare occasions when I have had to play love scenes, I purposely fall in love with my co-star. Oh, wow. I just

fall in love with them and go okay, that's that and also there's then I if one of the ways to do that is to see how that person is this, it has the same qualities as Kitty or somebody else

there are a few ladies before Kitty so but basically I'm thinking how is this person like Kitty but which helps me to fall in love with my co-stop. And then when the play is done or the shooting is done, I fall out of love again. Right.

Exactly. Thank you, that insight. That's all. Moving on. All right. So we go to ops next. Back up to ops. Mazel Brian's there.

He says the ship repairs are going to be ready in about an hour. And suddenly this giant Cardassian warship starts approaching. Yeah. And Cisco brings up shields. They prepare to launch photon torpedo. when suddenly Garrick arrives. And I love his walk as he comes in. It's very, it was a very seductive sort of.

He's got a smile on his face. Would you say it is a saunter then, Robbie? Yeah, it was amazing. It was an amazing walk. Like to put his internal life into his body in the way that he was walking and just owning the room, it was great. I'm going to rewatch the episode. I think the whole point was to own the room.

I think that's what Andy must have been thinking. I'm going to own the room. Yeah. Because it's a very simple, very simple line. It's only a couple words. Yeah. I think we should talk. Yeah.

Commander, we think, yeah, I think we should talk. That's it. That's all you had. One line. But the walk said so much to me. He owned the room with the walk. Oh, my gosh. Robbie.

It was amazing. If we come back from a commercial break. In the old days, it would have been a commercial break. The old days, yes. We come back and they're in the commander's office. Garrick is basically a messenger in the scene. He's giving Cisco a message that the Cardassian, the Kardashians want the professor and her students. And Garrick tells Cisco they're terrorists, basically.

These are criminals. And Cisco says, well, they must be super dangerous if the Kardashians send this giant warship. And Garak's like, no, they're not really dangerous. They're just assigned to me. If they were dangerous, why would they assign a simple tailor like me? So again, he's kind of keeping people... We don't tell outsiders about our political situation. Yes, exactly.

Yes, he's hard to read here. Are they dangerous? Are they important? Are they important? Are you just a messenger? Are you more than a messenger? Yeah, very interesting. Cisco does say in this scene, though,

he says you are not just a simple tailor. So that's the first time someone has explicitly called him out on the suspicion. Yeah. Well, I'm not sure it's the first time. I think Bashir must have at times also sort of in episodes past saying you're more than meets the eye. Yeah, maybe. It's definitely the first time, Cisco has slapsed off. Yes, but it's definitely the first time Cisco has slapsed.

And that's a very important point, Garrett. I'm going to get to that little later. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. It's the first time we realize it's not just Bashir's little project that Bashir's trying to find this out on a personal level. It's the first time we realize everybody thinks this about Garrett. They all are suspicious of him. But he does not confirm or deny anything. And Cisco says, you know, tell your people if they threaten our station, tell that worship. If they threaten our station, we will respond in kind. And Garrett goes to leave with a big smile on his face. says you know come by my shop sometime some very flattering suits that would look great on you now this this uh cisco threatening that he will do something if they do anything yeah yeah echoes in my mind going back to that scene between garrick and and and bish excuse me garrick and quark i can't remember my character's name um where garrick says what will you do what will you do you know undercharged people at the

d'abotry at the overcharge people at the dabutum that's the same thing i think that's happening here what what could what could uh cisco possibly do to cardassia all he does he runs a station yeah now we'll find out later on that they have some weaponry but it's not like you can move that station to wherever you want to go you can but it's a slow process yeah yeah there's no evasive maneuvers yeah there's there's no teeth in that threat no Cisco to Gary, nor is there any teeth to Quark saying, I'll do something to you, Garrick. They're equally ineffectual threats. Right, right.

But Quark did grab Garrick by the collar. Yes. Cisco didn't grab him. Because Cork was more a bigger person than Armin is. Well, we go back to Quarks. Cork brings Hogan, Rakellon, some free drinks. What a change of pace. Remember when he was just ignoring them?

Go get your own drinks. Now he's actually getting them drinks. He needs them. He needs them. Yeah, he needs them, exactly. He does say that he's the only one that can get them off the station in one piece. Yeah. And then he starts to walk away and they're like, well, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute, come back.

I like that little moment. They ask what he's talking about. I love this bit you did here, Armin, where you tap the table. You tapped all the objects. What was going on? He was making sure that it wasn't O-No. Yeah. Oh,

I'm sorry. Odo has appeared in the strangest of places and morphed early on when they were, when they could afford morphing. He would morph, I think a glass morphed into. Yes. Yeah. So he's just checking to make sure that he's not being over.

I thought it was some strange pharyngey knock on wood ritual that you were doing. I didn't know you were looking for Odo. Okay, got it. He was looking for, he tapped a few, you banged on a few things. Yeah, the table. I think the wall. Yes. But see, what, okay, what happened?

If Oda was the table and you knock on him, doesn't he just stay in his form? Like, how would you know? Is it squishier? Is the table? How do you know it's him? I wouldn't know. Now, I'm going to make this out.

This is all bullshit. I'm about to do. Go. Rengi have great ears. Ah, yes. Hear subtle, subtle things. So if it doesn't sound right, yeah.

Again, this is B.S. If it doesn't sound right, then perhaps it's Oda. I buy that because the parallel in life is when we go to the grocery store and we pick out that watermelon, we thump that thing to see if it sounds right before we purchase it. I don't even know what I'm listening for when I do that, by the way. I thump it like I'm looking around, do I look legit? I don't know what I'm listening for. The other ladies shopping around you appreciate what you're doing. Yes, exactly.

Okay, got it. Okay, so cork checks for Odo, which, again, amazing bit. he even says you never know where otto might be but he tells them that he's got this personal cloaking to buy it it only works for about 15 minutes or so but it should be enough time to get them off the station yes and he offers this for free as long as they will convince natima to stay on DS9 with him right that's the catch yeah that's the catch yeah they're not very optimistic but they say they're going to try and they say meet us uh in their core

in our quarters in about an hour. So they're going to go check and see. And then the very next thing is just a spaceship approaching the station. And then we switch to Natima's quarters here. Yeah. We go into Natimas Quarters. Cork arrives with this cloaking device wrapped up in a... In a bar napkin.

Dish towel or something. Bar napkin, yes. And he says that... I like how he's like, you know, do you want to move in with me right away? Or do you... You can get to your own place. for a while. So one must assume, I wasn't clear about this. One must assume that some time has gone by that they have, that the students have kept their word. And that they, they have convinced her to

stay. And she has to some extent said yes. That takes time. And I didn't get the sense from the director or from anything that time had gone by. But simply that, that she has, said yes i'll stay and that they have talked to her the other way around right yeah it seemed like a very quick cut of time yeah yeah it did feel like a quick cut from him talking to the students to walking in we felt like we skipped a little something there you come in you're under the assumption that she's going to stay but she does reveal in this scene she's changed her mind she's not going to stay she's changed her mind so obviously she's told him i'll stay now she's changed her mind yeah exactly cork's not happy he said he had a

deal with the students. They get the device if she stays. But she grabs a weapon. I guess it's a Cardassian phaser. Is that what that is? It looked like it. Didn't look like a Starfleet phaser. It wasn't a Starfleet phaser. I think it has to be a car, because I think later on Agulteron has the same weapon. Right. Yeah, it looked like kind of a dome-shaped thing. Very interesting. But she does grab this weapon, points it at him. He does not think that she'll shoot. He's walking slowly towards her And it does seem like he's very courageous And she's not going to do it

He even puts his hand on the gun to take it away Well, that's a scene we see That's a scene we see all the time, right? Robbie in the movies where the person goes Touches the gun and pushes it down slowly And then the person doesn't shoot them We see that over and over again We're expecting, like quarks right

Yeah, he's going to be brave He's going to calm her down But nope, she pulls the trigger, boom Off he goes. By the way, good stunt there. Yes. Nice stunt fall with the device falling right into the foreground of the shot. Yeah.

That was you, right? I don't know if it was me or Georgie. I can't remember. Okay. George Carlucci, who is Danger's brother-in-law. Oh, I did not know that. Okay. He was your stunt double for everything.

Okay. But I think it was you. I think it was you because you can see your face on the fall and I thought I'm giving you all the credit. Thank you. Thank you. But we did not expect Cork to get shot, though, Robbie, when we were watching this. I think we were both like, like that. I was at least.

I was like, oh, my goodness. I'm sure I didn't expect it either. But she doesn't expect it either because she drops down by your side and she's just like, my love. I got the feeling that it was an accident that she, that her finger twitched a little too. That's what I think happened. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we, after another break for commercial, we come back to the same spot and there's

She is, she's running to him. Yeah. And she's cracked. You've finally gotten her to crack. She admits she loves you too. Yeah. She apologizes for shooting you. It's a very sweet, very romantic moment with her on the floor there.

Yeah. And her revealing that she really loves you very much. Tangentially, there's a, there's a photograph of that moment that they sell at conventions. I sign a lot of those. Oh, really? Of that particular moment of Quark's history, I sign a lot of those. It's a great image. I love that she was down the way that, you know, the image looked of her coming to your aid

and just being so vulnerable. Like Quark had been for the whole episode so far, and she just put up a wall. And now it's all spilling out. You're talking about picnicking and the holodeck that you've built and the butterflies. And it's just lots and lots of romantic reminiscing. Yeah, now in retrospect, you know what the image looks like? Because she's, Cork is laying on the ground sort of where he's propped himself up a little bit, right, off the ground after he's been stunned. But she's the one leaning over him, sort of supporting him and holding him in a way.

It's almost like a reverse gone with the wind image. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Where instead of the man holding the woman, it's now the woman holding the man in a way. And certainly what it is. thought you were going there. It's also a Pieta image. A Pieta image.

What's a Pieta image? A Pieta image is of the Virgin Mary holding her dead son in her arms. Got it. Okay. Yeah, it felt very kind of like the, yes, the romantic age of those great paintings. Yeah. Great scene, though. Great scene.

Great scene. Cork does ask at the end of the scene, will you stay? and she says, yes, she will stay. They've expressed their love and how much they care about each other. So, again, I'm not taking any umbrage whatsoever, but how would this have played if I had been at Woody Allen? Yeah, I mean, look at the dialogue.

Look at the dialogue. I need you. Listen to me, Natima. You've done enough for the moment. You lit the match. Let them carry the torch. Are you saying that the movement won't survive without you? Of course it will.

let us have all the happiness we deserve you really love me don't you with all that i am natima forever how would you have played that as a witty allen where's the punchline in that dialogue yeah um again 25 years ago i'm not going to go into it it's just i'm i'm with you this is the script i was given you know yes i'm sorry you played no direction no you play it the right way there's no other way you could play it you played it absolutely the right way and i think they Thank you. It's nice hearing it. Dude, they were right to write it this way. Come on. I think they were right to write it this way, too.

Yeah. Maybe the creators of the idea, the flip and maybe they had one idea, and Michael and Ira had another idea. Yeah. Possible. Well, they should have written that other idea then. Okay, the end of the scene, Natima says she's going to stay. The doorbell rings and it's Odo.

And I love that Quark says, can't you see, We're busy. Not now, Odo. You're really ruining the mojo here. Yeah, yeah. But Odo is there to arrest Natima. Yeah. And before you go on with that, Robbie.

Yeah, he does stand up for her. Can I, gentlemen, can I go back a little bit into that before Odo shows up? Lovely description of being, like one of their first dates, remember that? Was it in the Hall of Suite? That description, no one ever talks about how they felt in a Hallow Suite. You know, we never talk about holodeck programs, how it makes us feel. But you guys are gotten into huge detail, the sound of waterfalls, the whisper of the flitterbird wings above our heads.

And you painted my face with honey. I just love that whole interaction back and forth. Again, very earnest and romantic and not ironic comedy of Woody Allen. It's not written that way. It's very earnest and sincere. Yes, there you go. And romantic. Now Odo hits the doorbell.

But it ends with Odo arresting Natima. Yes. And by the way, uncharacteristically, he's apologizing for doing this. He feels bad about it. Yeah, he does say. And uncharacteristically, Quark stands up for Natima. He stands up and says, Odo, you can't do this. And we don't see that sort of belligerence coming out of Quark very often.

Not for somebody else. He does it for himself, often. Yes. But not for somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. We go to the holding cell where Natima and our students are all three of them in a single cell. Cisco and Odo arrive and tell them that they're being traded for about a half dozen Bajoran prisoners that Cardassians have.

And Cisco says, you know, basically that this is a Bajoran station and I have to abide by their decision, even if I disagree with it. So you can tell Odo, Cisco, none of them feel good about this. but it's the way that it's playing out and they can't do anything. We go into Garrick's shop next. He's working on one of his displays when another Cardassian named Toran appears behind him.

And Garrick even recognizes his voice without even turning at the beginning of the scene. He knows exactly who this is, so they have history. Oh, he has to say, Torin just has to say five words, how the mighty have fallen. And then he knows him right away.

And that's really important. And again, figuring out the puzzle about who Garrick is. Yeah. This is the first time we've ever heard anyone call him mighty. Yeah, exactly. Now we know that he had more power, governmental power, and he has fallen from that place. And we get a little bit more about Garrick in his background,

slight as it is. Okay. since Robbie and I have not seen that we haven't seen episodes of this in later episodes I want to ask Robbie what do you think his position was like what level what rank was he what did he do like when you were watching this what did it what did it make you think I'm just curious and I feel like he had to have been in some sort of intelligence service that he was that he did work as a spy but a very successful one very highly esteemed and now he's been exiled for whatever, whatever happened.

Yeah. And he's still doing, he's using his skill set, just more undercover as a, as a tailor in him. Yeah. I think that's probably what he did. Okay. Because I felt that he was the chair or the head of the Cardassian intelligence agency. Yeah.

Another CIA, basically. Yeah. So I thought he ran the whole operation. Yeah. That would make sense. Is that? Yeah. In the same field, I would guess that.

He had, you know, he didn't learn how to be a spy once he was exiled. That's something he had been doing and just forever. Yeah, you do what you know. Yep. Even if you're a tailor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But again, it gives us such insight, which is great. Yeah. Torin's there. They've got some history. Garrick can't believe that this guy, Torin, is a gull now. Yeah. He's like, you? He's shocked.

You. He'll promote anybody. Yes. But Torin insults him back about being a tailor. does confirm that he was exiled and Torren says Garrick needs to kill them before they leave the station

and if you do that maybe you'll not be exiled maybe you'll get to go home is what he said yeah good scene and yeah I did like not only in this episode all the love story stuff Armand that you played but this whole story about Garrick

is really fascinating and very satisfying it feels like oh finally we're been waiting for some of this but also I empathize for him just knowing that he's here on a station because he can't go back you know what I'm saying it's like this is not I mean obviously he must have had back on Cardassia a very opulent home you know and here he is he's got a shop yeah he's exiled he's this is horrible so I definitely felt bad for him in this episode well we go to the security office next

Odo is reading on a pad, reading a book or something. It looks like. I just want to say this is the scene where I thought the blocking was expert level, top notch, lots of great movement in the scene. I can't even begin to go into it because there was so many great moments that I noticed. Like when you disappear behind the desk and he gets up and looks over. There's all kinds of fun stuff that I thought the shot making and the staging was great in this. scene. Yeah, it's the romantic scenes that are static. Yeah, maybe. Um, that are too static. I'm not a

director. I don't know how you would fix that, but, but, but they seem very static to me. Yeah. But this scene, yes, has a lot of, uh, tons of movement. Tons of movement. Quick fact about the pad. On the pad da da da da, from which Odo is reading, I, the jury, one can clearly see an image of a wooded forest and a medieval castle above the text. This is a reuse of the pad used in the episode, If Wishes Were Horses, in which O'Brien reads his daughter, the story of Rumpel Stiltskin, which those images are appropriate. Good catch, good catch. Yeah, very good catch.

Well, Hork comes to visit Odo. He tries every way he can think of to convince Odo to not turn them over. He's really begging for their lives. Ultimately, he's going to get on his knees and beg. And does say, think about our relationship. So now a relationship that when we started the show two years ago was antithetical and now we understand that they do have a friendship, they do have rapport with each other. And he plays upon that and says, well, do it for out of friendship, out of friendship,

which he couldn't have said in the first couple of episodes of Deep Space Nine. No, not at all. When he does get on his knees and begs, though, Odo does finally agree, but he says, not because of anything you said, Quark. Odo says, it's for justice. I'm doing this for justice. It's the right thing to do. So he doesn't want to appear to be swayed by any of your personal, you know, please.

But it's the right thing to do, Odo says. Hey, Cork's like, so you're not really doing this for me? Odo's like, that's right. Cork says, well, then I don't owe you a thing. Thank you. That's amazing for the fringy. He's like, wow, I owe you nothing. Yes.

I do remember Renee was not very happy with that squeeze I gave him. You gave him a tight one. At the very end, they start to leave. Odo asked Quirk how he thinks they'll get past the worship. And Quark admits he's got this cloaking device, which I thought was very funny. It's a callback to that very first conversation. Odo heard rumors. Quark admits it.

We go in the holding cell, Odo and Cork release them. We cut over to the cargo bay. Cork brings them to the ship door. He tells them he's installed the cloaking device in the ship's engine, in their ship's engine. So as soon as the docking clamps are released, they should turn on that cloaking device

and get out of there. Just when the door opens and they're about to go get on their ship, there's Garrick. And no thank you from the students. Not that that's... What I mean is that the rider should have given them something.

Yeah, they should have. Yeah. We've just saved their lives. Yeah. They just sort of ignored those two characters. They were just there to help the storyline. They didn't explore the... The natural kind of conversations they would have or responses.

Yeah. Well, the door opens for them to leave, but as they're starting to leave, there's Garrick. The door opens. There's Garrick. he's waiting he's got a gun i think on them doesn't yeah yeah he does he's got that phaser and uh garrick does say you know even though i disagree with this uh order i'm going to have to carry out central commands you know orders and that's when torren appears and he's basically going to take over he's got a weapon as well yeah he's going to take over so he can get credit um still

insulting garrick he's just a bully this guy tore him He is. And just as Torin looks away to shoot the prisoners and to get credit for all of this, Garrick shoots him and he evaporates. He's just, he's like completely. Yeah, he's been vaporized. He's completely gone. Yes, he's completely gone.

Yep. Garrick has shot him. And then Garrick tells the team to hurry up and get out of here. And Hogue and Rekhellen go into the ship. That's when they say thank you. Oaks says thank you there. They do say thank you there? Yeah, he goes, thank you.

Okay, they do say thank you. So he does say that. Oh, that's nice. You got a little something there. I know. Okay. But they go in, Hogan, Rakel and go into the ship. Natima comes and kisses Quark and says to him again that she truly loves him,

but she's going to have to leave and finish her work. And that she's going to come back when it's all done. And for him to wait here, she wants to know he's safe and wants to know where he is so that she can come back. And she leaves. And Garrick says, let's get back to the promenade. Quark asks Garrick in the scene, why did you shoot Tehran? And Garrick says, because he loves Cardassia. That's the thing about love. Nobody really understands it, do they? As they walk off into the sunset. Right. And one of the reasons I think he shoots him is that what he asked for, what Garrick asked for and which the Central Council agreed to was a prisoner swap.

But nothing about killing the two students. Correct. And that's why he loves Cardassia. He doesn't want to have martyrs, you know, getting in the wave of Cardassia. So that's very good. And then, of course, the last shot of Garrett and Quark Walkingway is right out of Casablanca. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the smooching scenes.

The smooching moments. Okay. I think they look great. and the minute the minute Armand put his hand around her neck and started stroking her neck it's a great it's a great bit and that's obviously and naturally

what would happen between two lovers but I kept thinking my God the makeup the makeup is touch it this Ferengi orange is touching would you say gray green yeah it wasn't the it wasn't the fingers because the fingers I forget what they would put on my hands

some sort of sealant or something some sort of sealant so that the orange wouldn't get over everything. It did often. But the sealant kept it from really being a real major problem. The real problem was the lips. When we kissed, and of course, it isn't all in one take, so we had to do it several times. So the camera's got the angles right and everything, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Every time we kissed, my orange makeup would get on her gray makeup. So the makeup artist had to come back in. and touch up her face. And the same was true of me. Her gray makeup would get all over my orange face, and Karen would have to come in and retouch up my stuff. She was cussing. Karen was cussing under her breath every time we kissed

because it was more work for her. I was enjoying it. Karen wasn't. Yes. Yeah, the work was fun for you, not fun for her. Not fun for Karen. But we had to do it several times. several times. There was a 10-minute break while the makeup was...

My bet. My bet. Well, this is a quote. Sorry. I'm just giving Michael Westmore quote. This is a Michael Westmore. According to makeup supervisor, Michael Westmore, the love scene in this episode between Lang and Quark is one of his all-time favorite Star Trek scenes due to the fact that despite all the heavy makeup, it is still just a touching, simple, romantic scene between two people in love, and the makeup becomes completely unimportant. Nice quote. It's a very nice quote. Thank you, Michael.

I thought the makeup made sense because she did stroke your ear at one point. She did? Yeah. They've been together before. Couldn't have played that moment if you didn't have that makeup on. That's right. I know some of the people who don't like this episode just think that these two creatures are too ugly to have a love scene. Whatever.

And of course, you're saying differently. Yeah. I'll go with you guys. Yeah. And also, the other thing is, again, this is sort of, you know, play-by-play parallel with Casablanca, a black-and-white film. And if you look at Kardashians, they almost are black and white in a way. When you look at their color, you know what I'm saying? So that was something that I picked up on. But aside from the love scenes and the Casablanca references, this episode is very important to Garrick. I mean, it does move his character along. substantially we get a much better insight into who he is uh and that to me is very valuable for the arc of the show yeah yeah yeah it was very satisfying even though we don't know everything there's still a lot of mysteries around right and probably we have been told as we discussed before

that he's fallen yeah we do we do know that i mean he's the one that stands up to cisco and says you know i have the information why would a taylor have that information All of Bashir's suspicions are being played out in this episode. There's still more suspicions, of course. But a lot of things that Bashir has been alluding to and searching for and fishing for are sort of acknowledged here. Yeah. All right.

Let's talk about theme, lesson, more of this episode. Robbie McNeil, what is yours? We'll go to Armin, and I'll round out the end. To me, the main thing. theme that I got was quark this this memory and his his his his true self is sort of reignited by the appearance of this woman and it just reminded me that like in the end and and she comes around finally to reveal her true self and so to me the theme is that you can't deny your true self or your true feelings you've got to accept those and that's who we truly are we

often pretend we don't, you know, we're not upset about something or we don't care about someone or we protect ourselves by not sharing our feelings. But ultimately, you can't, you can't hide them or deny them. You can't run away from them because they are who you are. So that's the theme I got. Well, I think you can hide or deny, but that will be detrimental to your health to do that. I mean, that doesn't work. Okay, Armin. Well, I wish I was as smart as Robbie, but my theme was that they're really rather simple i have two themes actually okay the first one is relationships are complicated yes and it's not just the the tima and quark relationship it's all the relationships on the station are complicated they're complicated we'll be right back after

this message from our sponsor um and my other theme is and this is what about we that reference I made about Cisco, a lot more is happening on the station than Cisco or the Starfleet Command are aware of. There's a lot more things happening on the station than just the stories we tell about Starfleet. Yeah. I mean, it's not just the love relationship between Quark and Tima, but it's also, again, referencing Garrick and all the stuff that he's doing that Starfleet is really not aware of at all. They'd like to know more, but they know very little. Yeah, or the backstory of quark

feeding pejorans and skimming some money off the time. Like, there's a lot of stuff that is not Starfleet related that's going on in the station. I mean, do you have an episode in Voyager, forgive me for not knowing? Where you didn't have a lot of recurring characters because you couldn't. Yeah. But where, you know,

your captain and your crew doesn't know what's happening on the ship? It's not lower deck. It's a much smaller ship. It was, yeah, everybody kind of knew everybody's business. Yeah, but in lower decks, they explore that. In Lauren decks, it's, it's, things are happening that the captain is not aware of. Yeah. But up until now, I don't think Star Trek has ever really allowed that.

Everything has always been about the elite leadership. And here we're talking about, no, these are the secondary characters. in the show. What about you, Garrett? What's your theme moral lesson? Mine is, I guess, more about Odo's decision to do what he did at the end. And I just, I find that it takes a lot of courage to stand up and do what's right when a lot of people are around you or telling you to do something different. So that's it. Just standing up and finding the courage to stand up and do what is right. Because he did, arguably, you know, if he turned them in, they would have been executed. We know that. And because the Bajorans wanted them turned in to get the other prisoners

back, and that is the ruling group. I mean, their decision stands, but yet Odo stood up against what really was not the right decision and said, nope, I'm going to let him go. So standing up and doing what is right, which is sometimes very difficult. So that's right. And if I may, we have to include Garrick in that as well. He stands up and does what he thinks. Yes, I'm sorry, yes, you're right. Garrick is well. Both Garrick and O'Don. I mean, he's going to be ex-he... I mean, Tehran tells him he was never going to get off the station.

Right. But even so, by shooting Tehran, who is a gull after all. Right. He's not going to make him... That's a dangerous... Ruling government is not going to be happy about it. They're going to keep him on that station a little bit longer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Well, our Patreon poll for Lesson The Morrow of this episode is submitted by none other than James Morrow.

And it is, letting the person you love most be free is an act more valuable than Latinum. Okay. All righty. Like that. Fork did that. Letting the person you love most be free. I want to ask James, why does she change her mind? She says I'll stay.

and then there's a gunfight at the okay corral. And then she says, no, I'm going. When did that happen? I know. She's a little flip-floppy, but that's why you love her. Yeah, that's true. All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for tuning in to our recap and discussion of profit and loss with Armin.

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