The Delta Flyers - Progress

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode is Progress, hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.Progress: Kira must convince an old Bajoran farmer to leave a moon becoming uninhabitable due to mining operations. Jake and Nog try to trade off Cardassian yamok sauce.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Janet K Harlow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Vikki Williams, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, & Jan HanfordOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Chris Knapp, Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas,  Matthew Gravens, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Mary Jac Greer, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Tom Paynter, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Steven Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu,, Stephanie Lee, Lisa Hill, David Smith, Stacy Davis, & Sam MikelicAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Meredith Hudes-Lowder, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Samantha Hunter, Jamason Isenburg, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Ryan Benoit, John Richardson, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Ryan Tomei-Sigurðarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Jennifer Vaughn, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Rik Moran, Constance, Loretta Reyes, Jeremy McWilliams, & Timothy McMichensThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Dax, Quark, Tom, and Harry. Your hosts for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong, for the complete version of this amazing, amazing podcast. Please check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today to get your awesome bonus material. Hello, Robbie McNeil. Hello, sir. Hello. Hello.

Guess what I got in the mail. What did you have? Sirs. Oh, I know what you got. Yeah. You got the shirt. I'm showing off my left breast. You sure were.

It looks so much better with this. Love it. Isn't it so nice. It's so nice. It is. I have the woman's version. Yes. Oh, of course you do.

Yes. Of course I do. We have so many sizes. We did a big order of these shirts because it's the launch of DS9. It's a launch of a whole new journey for us. It's a journey through the wormhole. But it's a beautiful. It's a cool shirt.

Rebecca did an awesome job. Yeah. If you're not a Patreon patron, if you're a Patreon patron at the level that gets the perk of this shirt with your Patreon membership, if you're not one of those people, you can still get this shirt at our store, at our merch store, which. which is the delta flyers.org. Go to the store there. You can buy one.

We have tons of sizes. We did a big order because it's such a cool shirt. It is such a cool shirt. And then you need to come to conventions and have us sign them. Yes. We also have our episode shirt. We have a large quantity of our Voyager episode shirts. So for those of you who missed out on that, that is also available on the store.

There's cool stuff. There's cool stuff. There's stickers and mugs and I don't know what else is there. I don't know what's in stock, but you better check it out before we're sold out again. Oh, boy. I know. I'm checking it out. It's good stuff.

That's good stuff. I need to have my swag. Yeah, you do. Well, you got your shirt now. I've got my shirt now. You're starting. I am starting. How's life, Terry?

What's going on? Well, it's really good. I'm about to actually, my producer, Mark Altman, from our boldly going, our documentary about the greatest Star Trek locations ever filmed. I love it. It's very exciting. So excited. I think we have like $110,000 on our, what's it called?

Kickstarter. Yes, our Kickstarter. Yeah, yeah. I'm bad at those things. Details. Yeah, so we're doing really good. And, you know, the more we get, of course, the more we can show and the more we can do, more guests we can have.

And we're really excited about it. And I think we're going to start filming this summer. That's great. I saw the link that you sent me of all the locations and I was scrolling through like some of the places they're going to go and explore and film. It's amazing. It is going to be amazing. It's going to be amazing.

There's so many locations on that list of your documentary that I didn't even connect with. And I'm like, oh, my God. Not just Star Trek was filmed there, but other stuff that was filmed there. Yeah. Yeah. And we're going to talk about the history. too of these locations, which is going to be really excited. I'm mostly excited for San Francisco because there's such great food there.

We have different producers on this than the documentaries of our show. So these guys did 1982, and they get stuff out faster. Okay. Hopefully. But here is the little QR code. Inglorious trickspers. Yeah, the inglorious trickst. Experts and Terry Farrell take you. Yeah, to boldly go. And you go to make the trek.com. So now,

you know, being that I'm the host, and we haven't started filming yet, I feel like I should know this for sure. But I'm not sure if it's called to boldly go or if it's called Make the Track. Or Make the track? Do you know what I mean? Oh, well. What does someone donate to this Kickstarter? What's the, is there a web address? You go to make the trek.com. Okay. make the trick to support us to go to these amazing locations okay well you everybody should go to that website whether you can you know support or not because there's some great history just described on the website i there it's awesome does the website show all the locations that will be that they will be filming at is that on the website did you see that robbie i did see it it shows a lot of

locations but i think there's going to be more i that's what i took away from it like here's some of them and And there's a lot they're showing, but I think they're going to keep going and do more is the impression. Yeah, we're on February 1 right now. We're not filming it until this summer. So everything is not set in stone yet. Yeah. But there's like a bunch of groovy things, you know, like limited edition pins, and they're going to be autographs. And right now there's these groovy jackets that say to boldly go on them.

I was thinking, none of them have been taken yet. I think they're like $75. I was thinking, I think I might want to get. that one. I mean, I don't know if they give me one like I got this fabulous shirt from the Delta Flyers. I wonder if these producers took the cue from the away missions for the Voyager documentary because the away missions for the Voyager documentary were all locations where they filmed different track episodes. So I feel like maybe they were like, hey, that's a great idea. Let's make our entire documentary about this is what it seems. I don't know. I'd have to ask them.

I mean, Mark Altman is, yeah, and they're, it's the inglorious trexperts. Have you ever seen those guys talk or any of their interviews? I've heard of that, but I haven't. Yeah. Great guys. Is that a play on the, on the title, Inglorious Bastards? So they're the Inglorious Tech Trexperts. Is that kind of where they're from?

Probably, yeah. Yeah. That's very exciting, though, Terry. Good for you. You're going to be the perfect host for this. Yeah. Oh, my God. They picked a good person.

person. Oh, thank you. When they asked me, I was just like, oh, my God, 100% how much fun. And we need to get like a van. And so we're, you know, going to get a mobile home and travel to all these places and mobile home. What am I saying? An RV. An RV, yeah. Sounds fine. Terry, I've got a camper. If you guys need to borrow it, you can come grab my camper. Yeah, it's got bed and all the stuff in it. That's pretty sweet. What? He's got it all. Yeah. I got your back. Whatever you need. Anyway, I can help you. That's a good with that. That's a great tie-in, too, Robbie. You might have to come in and check in on us to make sure we're treating it right. Let's jump in this episode, written by Peter Allen Fields, directed by none other than Uncle Les Landau. That's what we call him. We called him.

Love him. Agreed. He was my director crush. Oh, we loved him, too. Mine too. Mine too. Robbie's crush as well. He's awesome.

He's such a nice guy. He was funny, smart. Yeah. Yeah. Guest stars, Brian Keith as Mullahbach. Aaron Eisenberg is Nog. Nicholas Worth as the Lisepean captain. Michael Boffshever as Minister Tehran.

Terence Evans as Baltram, one of the mute bejorans. Annie O'Donnell as the other mute pejoran as Kina. And Daniel Rejordan as one of the guards, the first guard that spoke. I wonder if they made them. mute Bajorans to save money, like literally, hey, we can hire them for extra prices and not pay them if they don't speak. So we'll just write in the, that was what I was thinking. That's probably right.

But wouldn't they get a bump up as being featured extras, Robbie, where they would get a little bit extra. Not as much. And they don't get residuals. It's just like a real cheat. It's a paramount cheat. They should have given them some lines. It's a great storyline.

to also tell us how despicable and horrible and horrific. The Cardassians were, yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. They're like, you know. I will give you that. All right.

Let's do some poetry. Let's do some poetry. Oh, my gosh. Mine's very short today. Oh, is it? Okay, can we start with yours and then Robbie's then. Yes. I'll start with yours.

We'll go to Robbie and then I'd love to end up. Yes, because I don't know it's my best word, but I just. I love your poetry. Okay. Holding on by. tooth and nail death of opportunities to no avail open your eyes and see change as blessings for thee wow change as blessings for thee and it was like a little biblical or shakes it was a little it was very yes for the i like well see what else is there besides thee i just couldn't think of anything

it's good it's good it's good it's really good all right okay here's my here's my goofy limerick that really Al Pacardo would tell me is horrible with the rhythm and the rhyme and all of it. But I'm going to, I'm going to go with it. Here we go for progress. Yes. The limerick. They try to push Mullabock around, but his love of his planet is profound. Nog wants to be a boss, and he starts with yarmak sauce.

Then Kira burns Milibok's house to the ground. Wow. Wow. I don't know. Boss and sauce is what he did on that one. Yeah, I like the sauce. The yarmic sauce was huge. I had to work that in.

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to do it. I just went for the other story. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Haiku, my friend. Hikoo time. Here we go. Did you notice, Terry, Robbie pronounced it progress, the UK way of saying progress.

That's what Armin told us. Armands told us. Progress in England. Progress in America. Progress and progress. Here is my haiku for progress. slash progress, moon core to heat homes. Settlers must evacuate. Uncle Bill won't go.

Uncle Bill? Family affair. That's his main character that he played. I know. But right when you say, Bill, in this context, I think of Shatner. So it's kind of funny. It's like, Uncle Bill. Uncle Bill Shatner won't go. I won't leave this homestead because I am Shatner. Okay, no. Uncle Bill from Family Affair. He's, Isn't that the most notable? Doesn't everyone know Brian Keith from that series? Both of you are old enough to know that. Buffy and Jody.

You know, you don't have to bring age into this, Garrett. I am just the right age. All of us are old enough to know that. I think Keseykees wanting to point out that we're older than him. Well, we're not that nobody can tell. We're all 60s babies. We are all 60s babies. All three of us, right?

So we all know. So what are you like 69? 68. 68? No, 68. 1968. No, 668. I'm four after Robbie and I'm five after you, right?

Come on. But you know what? I can't stand. What I can't stand is that technically I am the same. I am a boomer technically. Yeah, me too. But I am not. Am I right?

As my father. No, you're not. You're Gen X. I'm Gen X. Thank you. Yes, you are. How can I be the same generation as my father? I know.

Does that make you upset that you are the same generation as your father, though, Robbie? Do you feel like you? It doesn't make sense. I don't think you can't be the same generation as your parent. How about this? You're not boomer. You're boomer light. I'm boomex.

Or you're boomerang or something different. Boomex. Well, here's the thing though. I do think there is a difference in, of course, this has nothing to do with the show. But I think that we're boomers has more to do with how we invest our money and our kind of our work ethic and how we move through the world is much more like our parents than the genics generation like how you sort of take care of your

your your home your security your your your life i didn't have max until i had a career and i could afford to be an at-home mom those things were really important to me i wasn't going to have a child unless i could afford one that was so important to me oh i just had kids all over the place i didn't care if you did willy nilly you're just like oh She's going to let me do it, and I'm all over that. Go for it. No, thank you. No, I didn't mean like that, but I mean, I wasn't thinking that.

I was just thinking for me being the oldest, I felt like I had to, you know. You had to be responsible and you had to have an income and you had to have the wherewithal to raise a child, which is a very boomer way of looking at it, a boom generation, right? I couldn't count on my parents' inheritance. I wasn't going to inherit anything. That's not the family I came from in middle class. So to me, I guess that's how Boomer speaks to me. For me, Boomer speaks to me that I grew up trying to emulate Brian Keith as Uncle Bill. I wanted to be his kid.

I wanted to be little Jody. Yeah, but you know what? You look like you could have been his kid. Yeah. I thought that watching that. Really? And I really liked his character. Yeah.

He was great. By the way, I thought so too. I read something that Rick Burm. and was like, ah, I didn't think Brian Keith was going to be that good. He was better than I thought. And I was like, what? But the writer was incredible. The writer was not happy with it.

Oh, really? Yeah. I'll get to that. We'll get to that when we get. I think Brian Keith was phenomenal and his naturalism was refreshing for Star Trek because they pushed us into this anti-naturalism, all of us on that generation of shows. And I fought it. Yeah.

I didn't fight much of anything. I was like, I'll do whatever you say, just let me direct. Okay. Can I, can I, so Robbie, what you said about Rick Berman, his quote was, I think it turned out real nice. The end is rather bittersweet. Brian Keith gave a performance that was very interesting and was in many ways better than I expected.

It's a very poignant story in the relationship between Major Cura and this old man. So that's Berman. Writer Peter Allen Fields was not happy with how Mullabock came across in the finished episode. According to Fields, he'd written. the Bajoran as a much more manipulative and less likable character. I wanted a strong guy who did not change at the end. There are too many old guys in television dramas who start out nasty and then get meek and gentle at the end. That's not what I wanted. To help illustrate what he meant, Fields cited the scene when Mullabuck asked Kira for her given name. In the script,

the question was specifically used to manipulate Kira. He said it because he was trying to con her. But in the final episode, it seems as if Mullabock feels a degree of warmth for her. Fields specified he didn't fault Brian Keith's performance, but instead, Mullabock simply comes across as too sympathetic a figure. He is less of an adversary than he ought to have been. He was less of a mountain for Kira to climb. There you go. So that's his opinion.

Yeah, he's very specific about that. The interesting thing is writers can write whatever they want. That's the first time you make the movie. and then you film it that's the second time you make a different movie because it's never what the with the writer initially attended

yes yeah and as a director I know I'm making the second version I'm not making the movie they wrote because things occur to you when you're putting it on his feet when you're out on the floor doing it where you go that doesn't make sense or this just doesn't play

or the actor so that's the second time and then the third time is in the editing room you make a third movie there's three versions of that So, you know, for him to get home up on the set. I mean, you need the writer on the set. The lead writer to the show then should be on the set.

But we all know that the real directors are the producers in television. Yeah. But I've been on sets where writers are there and the writer will say to me, I don't think that's how it should be. I think it should be like this. And I'll listen to them. And if I think what's happening on the set is the best version with these actions. in this moment that we're going to get and it's working if something is happening that an

audience would pay attention to I don't care what the writer's note is often you know how do you do with that though well your job is telling the story a story that's going to touch people right I think the the the truth is the director there's only one director that's a DGA that's the number one rule the DGA my union is that there's one director one that's it and so the actors aren't the director the writer's not the director the dp's not the director the line producers not there's one right and the only option and i've been a producer with a director who might be struggling who i get frustrated with my only two options are to help support them to get what i want or to fire them that's the only two options i can't say no don't don't do it like that

put the camera here and have them do this i can't do that because i'm not the director there's one director yeah so but what about when the writer is upset and saying hey this is not what i really envisioned this character in this scene to go this way well how do you and you know i will say i hear you i can see what you're describing but that's not what we're going to get today got it we can't you know i can't get that out of this actor they're not i've i've tried to have the conversation and they don't agree with that and then often the writer will say well i want to let me talk to them one director no yeah i'm the director no no I'll talk to them and I'll tell you if we can do it, but you can't talk to the,

because now we've got multiple directors and everything becomes chaos. And that undermines our confidence is actors, if you feel like everyone's telling you. Yeah, it's so confusing. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, you know, when you're saying I didn't just did what they told me to do. I felt like I was just trying to do what they told me to do. And I could see in those, like in this last episode, we did.

was it battle lines when it was me and Chief O'Brien in the runabout? In the shuttle, yeah. Yeah, in the shuttle. I felt you could tell that I was confident. I felt fine. Absolutely. Right. And it was the director and it was working with Column.

And we'd gone enough episodes in that I had already had the Ivana Chubik helping me say, don't listen to them. Those producer notes. Yeah. executive producers. I sat down and they said, we want you to be, Rick Berman said, I want you to be like Grace Kelly and Yoda. And that was the best I could do with that note. I didn't know what to do with that note. And now somebody else might have taken that note and gone, had an aha moment because somewhere in his head that made sense.

And he saw it and it was real. I'm not trying to poopoo it. I just like saying, I couldn't do it. No, I could not embody that. First of all, Grace Kelly is just like, okay, that's hair and makeup looking elegant and holding yourself. But Yoda, you don't even write me like Yoda. I don't know what that means. No, I don't think that was as descriptive as you could. I mean, that really, hey, Yoda and Grace Kelly. That's like a line reading you don't get.

No, because like your idea of Yoda is maybe different than his idea of Yoda. Your idea of Grace Kelly is different than his eye. He needs to be more descriptive. And when he just throws that out, I think that's a, that's a disservice to you. It's more confusing than enlightening in a way. Because then you should not say those titles. You get specific about what about those people. And honestly, I was so nervous.

I didn't even think to ask that, but that's what I should have asked. You know, there's something for the future. If somebody says something that confuses me, I need you to be more specific. That's a little too. What is it about Grace Kelly that you see in this character? And what is it about Yoda that you see in this character, the blend of those two? What traits, what characteristics? And then I can work off of that.

Right. Okay. So, all right. We can't change what's already happened, but future. Right. Yeah. Yep. We start on a shot of playing cards.

We follow the cards up to who's holding them. It's young Jake. Jake and Nag are playing cards in Quarks. And it looks like they're not open for business yet. I think this is sort of, you know, after hours or before hours before Quarks opens up. Yeah. But we do see Quark walking down a spiral staircase. chastising who I thought was ROM, but it's not.

It's a fringy employee, Broick, I think, for not cancel. Oh, I thought it was ROM too. It's not ROM. If you look closely, it's not ROM. I wrote ROM and I was like, that's not ROM. So he chastises this Ferengi employee for not canceling this large order of 5,000 rapages. I don't even know what a rapage is. I have no clue, but a 5,000 rapages of Cardassian Yamek sauce.

gnaug overhears this and his lobes start tingling there is an opportunity for profit Jake is just not getting it Jake's like well I'm quitting playing this game because you're not playing it with me but I want to make one comment about Jake's hair looks completely different in this very opening so we need the lighting coming down yeah maybe but it looks like he has long hair it's pulled back into a ponytail it just I don't think that I don't think he did he did not have that But that's what it looked like. It almost like they put or the hair department said, let's put relaxer in your hair and change the consistency of your of your hair.

Oh, I'm going to go back and watch. You got to look at it. I don't remember saying that. It must be lighting. Well, here's my comment on this first scene. Yeah. I saw that Les Landa was directing this. I had high expectations and he exceeded expectations in this first shot.

Yes. The very first shot, as you described, comes up the cards. You see a close up, reveals another actor, then finds them coming down the stairs. then plays the boys in the foreground with Quark and, I thought, Rom in the background, plays it through that. And then as they leave, it pushes in a knock. Like, it was elegant beyond my expectations, less knocked it out of the park. This is the first time for me that I've seen on this series first season.

Yes. That kind of sophisticated direction, camera direction. It is the most, by far, the most sophisticated camera shot making on this series yet. And he continues to do it throughout the episode. Well, I think, Robbie, I think we can expect no less from Uncle Les. Yes, agreed. In a way, he always brings it. He always brings it.

And it's a great shot. You're right. We have an exterior shot of the station with a station logged by Commander Sisko. With the help of the Federation, the Bajorans are about to tap the molten core of Bayjore's fifth moon, Gerado. I don't like about these, when he has his star date, he competes with the music. They have the music way too loud. You can't hear what he's saying. Sometimes that it should have been dialed down, right?

Yes. I mean, not that the music isn't elegant and beautiful, but it should not be more prominent. You shouldn't fight to hear his words. I agree. I agree. I've noticed that a little bit, too. Of course. No, I totally agree with you.

And we want you to interrupt us at any point, please. Okay. We do. We need that. This will be a massive, massive energy transfer. We then jump over to Ops. And Cisco is with Minister Taran, a pejoran minister. Both Dax and O'Brien briefed Cisco on the current status of the moon's core. Minister Tehran asks if what O'Brien reports is good or not. And this is awesome because he's like, what's that blinking light? Which we never see that on Voyager where people are asking us what's going on with our console. But this guy's clueless. He's very nervous. Yeah, he's a civil servant. He's a, you know, he's, he holds an elected office clearly and he doesn't know anything about what's happening. But Kira reassures him, okay, if something was wrong, they'd tell you about it. But he says that Bayjor is counting on this energy to heat, not a thousand, but hundreds of thousands of homes on Bayjore. And Kira is now off to perform another inspection of the moon to make sure that all the evacuations have gone according to plan. I loved this scene because the way, again, I'm going to say it a lot, the way that Les shot it, you got to see all of the characters on Ops falling into the background of shots. Was it a oneer, Robbie, in this one too? No, I think there was coverage in it at the end. But it just elegantly flowed out of that first scene so beautifully.

You use, yes, you use elegant, Robbie. I'm going to say, I'm going to add another adjective as effortless is the other adjective I would like to throw in there. I like that the world together. I don't remember being in that corner very often, at all, more than a couple of times. But it was a really nice having us all together. That's a higher part of us. Is that right?

Terry, that's the higher part. Yeah. And so if you're looking at Avery's office, it would be to your right. So the right, if you're looking at the office, right? So if Avery comes out of the office, he would go left. And that's where that area is up high, yeah. Up high to the left. Great place to put it.

And I find it interesting that you say, I don't remember being there often because I think less designed it this way. Yeah. And you're right. When it's just close-ups of you all separated in different parts of ops, you feel very detached. This felt like the team was all working together. Yeah.

Really great. I love when Dax says, well, sorry, now we're on the Ganges. Oh, yeah, we're on the Ganges. Dax and Kira are scanning for inhabitants. And, you know, they should have evacuated. And they talk about Morn asking Dax out on a date. And she thinks we learn that she thinks his face hairs are very cute, which I never would have guessed. That was a surprise.

But she turned him down. Remember, she said she was busy. But, but Kira is shocked. Right. However, the seven or eight wiery hair is coming out of. of his head make him look kind of cute. Did he really have wiery heads? He does have those little hairs on his wier head.

He has wiry heads and wiery hairs. Yeah. That's gross. It's, no, it's cute. It's still funny, though. I find it interesting that Dax.

I am not Dax. Believe it or not, I'm just Terry Farrell. I do not find them attractive at all. However, yes. I also love that they talk about having a conversation with Morn, who never speaks in the entire world of this year. That's another very funny thing.

People talk about him talking, but we never hear him. We never hear him talk. Apparently, they gave him lines, but it didn't really work out. Exactly. Dax does notice that her sensors show a humanoid presence in sector 15 Delta. And she wonders if that's one of the thermologists down there, the Bajoran thermologist, preparing for this molten core tapping. But they're saying, no, that's, that's definitely not a thermologist. So Kira decides that she needs to transport down there to investigate.

And she transports out of the back of the runabout, goes down to the planet. And they've called it a moon at this point. Yes. And then we see her beam in. Yeah. And that's the nicest moon I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Yeah.

It is. It is a beautiful moon. I didn't believe that moons could be that beautiful. Yeah. And then I actually looked it up and there are, yeah, there's plants. I would expect a moon to look like, you know, plant. A moon, our moon or just. Yeah.

But there really are moons. I looked this up because I was like, why did they couldn't have dropped the ball. There are moons that could support life that. That could be lush like that too and have. Yes. Yes. Oh. Yes.

Robby on a site. Okay, what website is that? Are you kidding? I can't remember. It's the Googles. It's the Googles. that. Robbie, so on a side note, in the last episode, recapped, we talked about the Navat, the circle, the square. No, the Paku and the Navat, okay? Yes. And they said that

there's a Bajoran saying, an old saying, that the land of the people are one, and the land that is inhabited by the Paku and Navat is some of the harshest on Bejore ever. And this is a note I did not bring up in that episode. But Dan Curry used tropical. tropical lush Laotian jungle to put in that exterior shot. So that doesn't look harsh at all. It was a very sort of, you know, so it was like, oh, no. What is Laosia? That's a new word for me.

Laos, Laosian jungle. It was Laos, Laos, the country of Laos, close to Vietnam. But just again on the side note, they were talking about the Paku and the Navat. They came from Bejjor. This planet where the jungle was wasn't their planet. That was where the square, the, it was a different place. No, that's Bejor. That's a part of Bejor.

It's a part of Bejor, but I'm saying the Paku and the Navat could be somewhere else on Bejure that's very rocky. Like the Laos looking place. They showed the exterior of the building that the guy lives in, the Serra lives. Remember that? They showed his, and the town square is surrounded by lush jungle from Laos. That's a Laos, you know, a picture that he took and melded it together. wait wait now i know what you're talking about yeah that was a moon that was not i don't think that is baydor itself that's a part of bay drawer that's supposedly harsh i was like saying you're so

confusing me i'm sorry yeah because i watched that thinking that that was my show not this one i know i got myself confused you sent us all the reaction videos for that show and i was like uh-oh she thinks yeah i think there were more reactions for that than there were for this one it was it was so funny but it was i liked that episode yeah i did i gave it a very high it was uh robbie gave it an eight i gave it an eight and everyone else gave it like a five uh storyteller storyteller storyteller the storyteller yeah yeah robbie gave it that manipulative old man so she'd beamed down to the thing and then this to this gorgeous moon planet and then this man and woman with these alien gardening tools kind of step up

and trap her and they're pointing the tools at her and then we go to a break. Right. Opening credits. We come back after the title and we meet this old man Brian Keith. He's in the doorway of this like cabin or something. Cottage is what they say. He's a farmer. His name is Mullabok and he and

he and Kira talk and all he knows is farming and he tries to go inside and talks about farming and he tries to go inside but she holds the door open. Yeah. And then she starts spouting this farming knowledge, which who wouldn't thought that Kira knew farming? She was making it.

Was she making it? I think she seemed to be impressed. No, she grew up on Bayshore. I think she knows it. Yeah, but he turns and he says, he goes, you come from farmers. And she goes, actually, no, I'm just trying to make something. I'm trying to make sure that I can hold this door open.

I can't hold it. Before my arm. Yeah. I'm just, please, you know. I thought it was real farming, like, the little bit she knew from her dad. She was trying to use that to, like, delay him or something. Right.

Right. Yeah. But he invites her in for supper. Yeah. And it was a cute repartee, witty repartee between the two. I love how he goes like, he goes, yeah, you're half pretty. When he said that, I was like, what? So he's kind of digging into her.

So what that writer wanted originally was that hard-ass sort of old guy. And you hear it in the dialogue, I think. Yeah. He also mentions he doesn't like uniforms, which I thought that was a nice. Right. And they don't like uniforms. That's why they've got. got the pitch fork at you, right?

But I don't feel like he's a heart ass in it at all. Right. No. Grumpy, yes, crumagony, a little, but not really. He seems lonely to me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's with two mute people that can't, he can't talk to him.

He can't talk to him. No, and he picked the roots that take three hours to cook so that here is stuck there for three hours. She is. Yeah. She is. And just then, when he's saying that, I'm thinking, oh, please let Dax know because I'm already starting to worry about her up in my mind, watching the show.

She's sitting in the run about waiting. Yeah, you're in orbit. You're just like, doop-de-do, yeah, tapping your fingers. Exterior space shot of the station. Then promenade upper level, we see Nog is on a mission with Jake, tagging along. They see the individual that they are looking for in the lower level. They head down. Nog approaches this Licepian captain, and he knows if this captain does business with the

Kardashians. He tries to sell the Yomuk sauce to the captain. for latinum but the captain says no i don't have latinum but i can make a trade nog starts to walk away but jake is the one that says wait a minute let's find out what does he want to trade and he says self-sealing stemboats an order for a pejoran that could not pay he still has it nog and jake confer and they agree okay one catch how to get a hold of corks yamick sauce because that hasn't been they haven't they have no point for that as of yet i loved for the makeup The makeup on that alien was amazing.

It was so cool. It was cool. It was super cool. I want to know what was the significant, did I miss? Why was he so, um, um, gnaug, so insistent about five bars of gold press. He wants five. He just wants to know. But he was so stuck on that number.

It felt like it should have some meaning for him to be so stuck on five as we find out as we. Yeah, he keeps asking for five. But then later on, doesn't he go five bars? Okay, four. Four. Okay. I'll take three. Actually, I'll take just one.

We'll get there. Yeah. He's not the best negotiator to be. Not yet. No. He's trying to be a good, a good. A good. A good.

I think they're a pretty good team. I think they're very cute together. I love the two of them in this episode. I just absolutely. So good. I'm not going to say at every scene, but I do want to say for this one, the boys are on the second level. The camera's down below.

Les pans them all the way over, sees them see something and start to run. The camera continues to pan down and find the aliens. So the captains. Finishing up something. And then as the alien gets up and starts to walk in the promenade, the boys reenter the frame and turn into a walk and talk. Great shot. Unbelievable.

So good. Unbelievable. The efficiency and the connection and without any cutting. That's another efficiency. Yes. And can we just add to his less's demeanor on a set? Very relaxed. Oh, my God.

It's like he's on value. If he lost it, he had a good reason to. But he is so relaxed. Seriously, he had a good reason to. But just think of him as being very, you know, relaxed and competent. Yeah. That's the bottom line. It's important as a director to set that tone.

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Kira informs Mollabach that the moon's core will be tapped in seven days. He says he knows that. But the moon is his home. Ever since he escaped from a Cardassian labor camp 40 years ago, he says his life is here. If he leaves, he would die. So he'd rather die in the moon. That's plain and simple. That's everything about him. And that's never explained.

Yeah, see, that is never explained. But I feel like this is his way of life. And that is all he knows. A broken heart. A broken heart. He loves this moon. He's the first person to tame this moon, as he says later. But then why not say that in some way?

You know what I mean? Because it's like feels like. Like, you have a heart condition that will, your heart's going to blow up if you. Right. What is it? Is it a health thing? Yeah. Are you going to explode?

No, it bothered me. It's just like, eh, back there. I hear you. We go to Quarks. Yeah, back on the DS9, we go to Quarks, Nog and Jake are visiting Quark. Quark is really on edge in the scene. He's like, as soon as they come in, he's already wound up. And he grabs Nog's ear and scolds him for giving some free refill to someone who dropped

their drink last night, didn't charge them. He grabs his ear, which you don't want to do that to Ferengi because they might get turned on. Well, if you grab it lightly, that's Omo, I see. If you grab it hard, that's not good. Yes. No. And Jake is not with him, actually. Jake is standing away on the other side of the bar at the time.

He tells him that he wants to move this yamek sauce in the storage room to make room for some incoming low carbines that are arriving. And Cork says, well, he doesn't want to see this yamick sauce ever again. He wants it, you know, he'd be happy to never see it. Tells Nog, as he leaves, he turns and he says, you know, you're a good boy, Nog. Which I thought that was a sweet, sweet moment. It was a touching moment. I thought it really was. I'm glad they gave that to Armand.

I mean, to Quark to have, like, you know, I'm sorry I blew up. Like, all parents or aunts, uncles, family, your village that raises you has those moments where we. I think, yeah, I think it also, yeah, I think it also shows that Quark is aware that Nog is kind of looking up to him and trying to impress him. Like it shows an awareness of Quark and no, you know, gives Nog what he needs. Well, first he insults him that he's like his father. Yeah, he says, I warned you about being like, you're taking the habits of your father, which is an empathetic.

If you think about it, Rom and Nog are much more empathetic than Quark is in terms of people spilling their drink. Oh, oh, sorry, we'll replace that, right? So they're being nice. And so it shows they have a heart. Whereas Quark is kind of cold-hearted, I think. He's only about profit. But after he realizes that he's gotten the okay to get rid of the sauce,

he looks across the bar to Jake and gives him this mission accomplished fist pump, which Jake returns in return. And it's a lovely moment between the two of them. They're very excited. I love that relationship. I love those two. Yeah, me too. And they're so impossibly cute.

Super cute. Yes. We go back to the cottage. Cottage interior. Yes. Yeah. Kura, Mullahbock, and the two mute. Bajorans are seated at the dinner table. Mollabok recounts a story of how he stowed away on the

Cardassian survey vessel. He made many stops in the Bajoran system looking for possible mining sites. When they arrived at Gerado, he overpowered the entire crew and took what he needed to start a new life on the moon. Kira is really surprised that he single-handedly took out six Cardassians. And as the first settler on the moon, he had to figure out how to farm the barren land, but he tamed the land. And Kira talks about how they hung on like fanatics to eventually defeat the Kardashians. And Mullahbach walks outside, Kira follows. He talks about... But he's that fanatics moment, you know.

He sort of says, how did you survive with the Cardassi? So he's smart. And she says, oh, because we were fanatical about it or whatever. He's basically saying, you and I are the same. You're like me. You and I are the same person, basically. I love Brian Keith is so good in this episode. Again, we said it before, but the naturalism, the charm, I think is phenomenal.

Yeah. Me too. Yeah. You can't help but really like him and want to root for him. Yeah. Kira, Dick Kira even roots for him too because outside at the kiln, she says that she sympathizes with him, but he cannot stay there. But the minute, and she explains, the minute they start tapping the crust, all this carbon and sulfur compounds are going to come up to the surface and you cannot breathe the air. He's going to die, right? Mullerbach says, yeah, it's unlivable. Malabuck says, well, tell them they can start cracking this boom apart whenever they're ready. I'll be here. That's all he says. And he's like, I'm like, do what you want. You know, I'm not going to leave. Cargo Bay, Jake and Nog, standing amongst the 100 gross of self-sealing stem bolts. O'Brien arrives and asks about the cargo, and Nog says it belongs to Uncle Quark. O'Brien wants Nog to inform Quark that he needs to stop bypassing the import procedures. O'Brien has never seen these before.

O'Brien leaves. Nock has an idea. He feels that the Bajoran who ordered these stem bolts in the first place would definitely know what these stem boats are used for. And his name must be on the shipping codes. Jake finds this scanner on top of one of the containers, scans a labeling. Guess what? Circo Chano's name, address and contact info pops up. And Jake wonders if Circo will be mad that they have his stem boats. Nog says, no, he couldn't afford him. And they can offer them, they can offer these stem boats to sell back to him at a discount. So super happy that they're going to make a profit. Super smart.

Super smart, too. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I love it. those two they're wonderful um any any other comments on this scene anybody no because i'm jumping to the next so i in what happens to no in what happens to them so i don't want to say it oh okay all right so we'll say that yeah we'll say that later uh we're back at ops kira gets off the turbo lift dax is relieved that kira finally made it back and she asked dax if cisco is alone in his office dax says that minister toron is in there with him um we did we then cross into the office and Tehran doesn't understand. Why won't they leave, like the other 47 people?

Here's that number, Robbie. 47 is used on Voyager a lot. 47 is here on DS9 now. It's like, what's happening? Numerology. It's something with the writers. Is it? Yeah.

It's a, yes, there's a whole ancient thing. No, I don't know. I just made this up, but it's probably right. I'm like, wow, 47, but four, you have to add four and seven. It's 11. Yeah. Then it's two. It really comes down to two.

Yeah. Cisco asks if there's anything they can offer to make Mullahbach leave. And Kira says, that's absolutely nothing. There's nothing that he wants. So she talks about using this alternative method, phased energy retrieval to extract the energy. Minister says, that'll take way too long. And if you cannot get rid of this people, if you can't evacuate them, I will find somebody else to do this. And she says, okay, I'll do it. I'll handle it. And she's off. And this is this time she comes back with two. security officers. Yes. And she sends them off to go get those. She sends them off to get the two mute Bajorans. And they... Did you see one of the security guys? She warned them. Like, don't be careful. They're afraid of uniforms. Yeah. She says, be careful. And yeah, that was very funny. And I noticed Tom Morga was one of the security guys. So I immediately went, oh, yeah. No. There's going to, there's going to be a fight. The second one. That was Morga? Yeah, Morga was there. I didn't Yeah, there's going to be a stunt because Morga is one of these guys. Oh, my God.

By the way, Tom Morga is 82 years old now. I looked it up. He's 82. Wow. He did so many stunts on all of our shows. She tells those other officers, just go to their cottage. If they're not there, just take their belongings and get them ready to evacuate. And he goes, should we ask permission?

He's like, no, just do it. Just pack him. Yep, Mollabuck comes out and looks at Kira and says, you're going to use that on me, pointing out her phaser. And she's like, look, no, I wouldn't do that. That was a big phaser on her hip, by the way. It was not a, that wasn't Starfle. It was Barclay, it was Bajor. I don't know what that was.

Can I just say, why didn't she have it on the first time she went down to the planet? Yeah, she should have had it then. Yeah. She definitely should have it then. She didn't have a cool looking weapon. She should always have it. It's her Bajoran phaser. Yeah.

Mollabuck comes out and tells Kira a story about a two-headed Malgorian, which is sort of a bit of a metaphor. And he continues to finish building the kiln. As Kira walks towards the kodas, to gather mullabock's belongings. You hear a yell from one of the security officers saying that he's been stuck with a farming implement. He's been stabbed in the stomach. He's holding on to Baltrum.

The other one, Morga, is holding on to Kina. Mollabock sees Kina being restrained and goes ballistic. He just starts to choke him, throws him on the ground. Then the other guy who's been stab ends up phasering. Fasering Brian Keith. He goes down like a sack of potatoes. I wonder who's who doubled, stunt double. And then Kira freaks out.

She's like, Kira freaks out. She's kneeling there like Romeo and Juliet or something. She's not happy. Help him. Emergency. She's not happy. Very dramatic.

Exactly. Very dramatic. But poor Brian Keith falling back and bang, I saw his head hit. He had to be doubled. That was a double for sure, right? There's no way that he did that. Brian Keith is, you know, this was 1990. No, they wouldn't.

They wouldn't let me fall back. Yeah. Yeah. So within four years, less than four years. years after the airing of this episode, Brian Keith passes away. So this is the, and Twilight of this life. It was from that fall. No, it's not for the fall. That's horrible. Akira orders the officers to beam up to the runabout and call the station for Dr. Bashir. Now we see an exterior space shot of the station. And of course, we're back in Cisco's quarters now. Nog is tinkering with a circuit

board. Jake is beside him. They're speaking with Circo, who says he still can't see them. So clearly, Nog is doing this on purpose. He doesn't want them to see it. It's two kids, right? Yeah. Hello. Yeah. Hello.

You're there. Yeah. So they can't see that they're kids. Yes. They hesitate. And Nog comes up with the No J consortium, which is kind of smart on his part. He's thinking on his feet. Genius.

Very funny. Nog says he has the 100 gross of stem bolts. And immediately, Circo is like, you've got my stem bolts. And he wants Latinem. Once again, he's really, really intent on getting latinum. CERCO doesn't have any, but he can exchange seven tessepets of land for the stem bolts. Nogus thinks this is worthless dirt, but Jake convinces him otherwise. And Jake says that they need to proof of ownership of the land and Circo agrees.

And that is it. Circo sounded or Chano or whatever, is it? Sircichano, yeah. Circa Chano. He sounded like some guy from Brooklyn to me or something. Didn't it sound like an old school 40, sort of like, and now, come up. Hey, maybe it was something like that. Like, I remember money.

Yeah, I remember. I was proud of Jake. Because I was like, yes, land. Yes, land. Very responsible. But just an interesting voice to use for Circle though. I don't know who voiced that voice, but it seemed a little out of place. You're right.

It wasn't New York. It was more of that radio announcer. And now horse number seven is coming around the track. He has that kind of weird voice. Yeah. Like, how do people talk like that? I find that fascinating, though. When you watch different eras.

of things of how people spoke and their tone and everything is amazing. I thought Circa was Ferengi. It sounds more like a Ferengi voice, like the Nagis coming in or something. It just sounded weird. It was a weird interchange. Yeah. Okay. So we go back to the cottage down on the, down on the moon, the beautiful moon.

And Bashir's working on Milobach's injuries. And he calls, when Milibok calls Kira, nearest, near? Neree. Yeah. Norese. Norese. Yeah, Norese. He asked for her familiar now.

It's okay. I can help out. I heard it for a lot more than you. Yes. So he calls Kira Noree like turns around like, wait, what's going on? They must know each other more intimately than he thought. So, right. Kira heads outside.

Milibok wonders why Kira didn't just sweep all of them off while he was unconscious and take him, send him back. But he tells Bashir. He's not going to leave. Bashir goes outside to Kira, outside the cottage, and relays that he's still refusing to leave. And this is when Kira decides to stay and take care of him, which is just like, but this is why I think the charming choice that Brian Keith made works because it motivates Kira to care. Yeah. If she felt like she was being bullshitted or manipulated, she would have just, I think, taken him right away.

Yeah. I agree with you 100%. If it were different, then it would be. or forcibly. They would take him forcibly or let, you know, okay, sarah, sarah. But this is the first time.

You're 107. You're going to die anyway. We're going to go. Yeah. But Robbie, he was an asshole. Did you understand that Kira Norese, Norese,

because I thought that Norese was her last name, but that's not. It is her first name. And it's the same way that certain cultures, and most notably the Chinese, always say last name first, and then first name second. So it's the same order there.

And I was confused. I thought Norese was her last name. I did too. No, it's a first. First name. Major Kira Norese. So that sort of says it. Right.

Yes. Yeah, flipped around. She does tell him she's going to stay, tells Bashir she's going to stay, take care of him. She starts working on his kiln that he's talked about. He's wanted to finish this. Very important to him. She did a good job, too. Yeah, she did a really good job.

Yeah, better than he did. Much better, yeah, she's a much better kiln builder. She also takes off her jacket and is wearing a very fancy t-shirt underneath. Is that standard issue for, I mean, it looked like kind of fashiony. It was like, wait a minute. It was very fashiony. That's what Pachorans wear under their uniforms. I guess.

She needs to be sexy underneath that uniform. Yeah. It was a good looking t-shirt. It was. It looks like the t-shirt they tried to. Yeah, they tried to put me in a shirt like that once. Oh, they did. Too feminine for you?

Yeah, I put my foot down. No, Robbie was not happy. We go to the commander's office. Did they ever put you, Terry, in something that you just were like, no, I'm not wearing this? Oh, no. I think that I, in that, those kind of instances, I was put in things that made me feel uncomfortable. But I think for me with thinking of it as that's box. Blackman's job. I have a suck-it-up buttercup kind of attitude with that kind of thing. I really think

sometimes actors can shoot themselves in the foot by saying, no, it should look like this, or I know my character better than you do. It's like, well, you're taking away all the input of every other department that helps create your character. Pretty much. So, you know, you just realize that you didn't have to mow Bob Blackman's lawn. Bob Blackman will mow his own lawn, basically. right you don't need to do his work okay that's just this is robbie's wisdom that's my saying yeah i'm sure that would be the day the day really just mow your own on you know i need a lot robbie you know makeup would bother me more if something on my face felt like it like yeah yeah yeah then that's harder for me like if they draw outside your lip line or something like that it's

like no i was lucky on on deep space i'm not saying that you looked great did you ever do prosthetic makeup on D-Space for any reason at all. Yes. Oh, it does come up later. Okay. Yeah. Just curious. You got to watch the show.

You got to watch the show and you got to join the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole. Nice, Terry. Patreon. And what level? Any level. Any level you want. Whatever level up. Level up.

Level up. You know the real untold story. You're good, Terry. You are good. Thank you. So we go back to the commander's office. I just want to say, Terry, you are the Delta Flyers salesman of the year. You are.

You are. You are our cover girl. You are literally our cover girl. Oh, my God. All right. I will take that. Back to our story. Tell us.

We're in the commander's office now. Bashir's filling Cisco in on his visit down to the planet. Cisco says that Kira can stay temporarily on doctors. orders in this scene and Bashir says but that's not true and Cisco goes no you can make it true I love this scene it is it's great scene so smart okay that's so Avery too it's not just you know Captain Cisco it's definitely an aviary thing to like let me help you put that in your mouth yeah yeah he says he goes commander oh he goes okay commander I advise that major Kira remain on Gerado for humanitarian reasons for how long?

He whispers. Cisco's like the next day or two, for the next day or two, sir. And then Cisco's like, I'll consider that. I'll consider that request. Dismissed. Amazing scene. The comedy premise of it is beautiful. It's a beautifully conceived kind of comedy premise.

Well, it's interesting because you've got, yeah, you got Cisco controlling the conversation with Bashir. You've got Mullabock controlling the conversation with Kira. So it's happening on the moon surface and on the station at the same time. Yeah. And with the boys. And the boys. And the boys.

Yes. There's a lot of opportunities for everyone. Going on. Yeah. Yes. Two sides of the story. Yes. Well, both of these stories kind of have that, yes, that echo, their themes echo each other,

this sort of manipulation and sort of trying to prove yourself in some ways. and evolve and open your eyes. But like the last episode, Robbie, I feel like the A and B storyline are closer to A and A minus again. Yes, yes, yes, yes. They're close. Very close.

We go back down to the cottage. Kira's using some kind of medical device to treat mullabach's wounds. And she gets really mad when he asks what the others will do to her because she stayed. She gets very triggered by that. And then she stands by the window, tells the story of like an ugly,

tree when she's a child this gnarly tree and he he he says something like it's nasty right and she goes yes nasty nasty and then he asked her if she would if she cut it down when she was a child and she says i don't know yet so it's like oh that's just a metaphor let's talk a metaphor the entire time it's great but cisco calls and says to tells kira he's coming down Yeah. And she says no. Yes. Don't come down. Yeah.

Yes. And Mollabach also says, wow, he doesn't have much faith in you. So he's trying to like separate her from, you know, her captain. But he beams down into the garden, comes and knocks on the door. Kira opens it. Oh, no, not Kira. Remember, he tries to go open it, but then it's still my home and he gets up. That's right.

He goes and opens it. And then she joins him in the doorway. But he answers the door. He's super rude to Cisco, basically. Kira tells him, dude, go back inside. Tells Milibok, Mollabok, go back inside. She steps outside with Cisco and she starts working on this kiln while she talks to Cisco. And I love this scene because Cisco reminds her that she has an important job, that she has a purpose, that's her destiny, and that this may be his.

And I just mentioned my favorite line before, before her going out. Mullabock says, talk to him as long as you want. Why don't you tell him the story about your tree is what he says. Oh, my God. Mullahbox's great. Mulebock's awesome. I love the scene with Cisco and Kira, though, because Cisco says, for the first time, I think, you're a friend now.

Like, we're close and I value you. I love that scene. He did a great time. And he reminds her that now she. on the other side of it right she's not the rebel anymore she's not the underground fighter anymore yeah yeah is this the first time that he actually says how valuable she is to him in the series would you say that i think she says how valuable no no that no that cisco says how much you mean doesn't he say you know kira you really how much she means to him yes i never say

He's being very empathetic. He knows exactly how she feels. Yeah. But she has to detach from being one of them again. Correct. He is no longer one of the victims. She is in charge. She has the power to say, no, you.

And he says to her, Sisko says, he has already written his fate. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But you have yet to write yours. Yeah. It is not your destiny. This may be his, but it's not yours to die on this planet. And you're not responsible for him.

Yeah. I feel like Cisco in a way is taking the training wheels off of Kira's bicycle in a way. Like, you can do this. You know, you can take care of this guy. Yeah. Yeah. And she gets choked up about him. She does.

Yeah. It's a lot to her. It's a lot to her. It's very difficult for her to open up and feel safe. So that was huge. You said you liked her. I like you. Also, I will say again,

Les Landau knocked it out of the park. There is a low angle shot where she's listening to Cisco in the background. And he's out of focus. And you hear what he's saying. You see him, but he's not in focus. The focus is on her. And her reaction.

And her reactions. Yeah. And it's amazing to be there. And in that character's experience, not in what Cisco's saying, but in her absorbing it and being affected by it. Les Landau freaking knocked out of the park

It would be totally different if he shot coverage on Cisco right while he's saying that to her and and the fact that he Yeah back and forth no it's not as effective No it's not as good storytelling

He leave the camera on curious face It's a visual medium Let it be a visual medium Yeah We go Inside the cottage now A little bit of a time has passed And at the end of the last thing, though,

Cisco says there's a runabout standing by. And he leaves it up to her. He beams back up. Yeah. And kind of leaves this decision up to her. So we go inside the cottage. Kieran Milibach are sleeping. He's having nightmares talking in the sleep.

Clearly very agitated. She gives him a hypospray. He wakes up. And she is very gentle with him, very tender with him in the scene. Yeah. And. Because his nightmare is all about, you know,

the Cardassian occupation, basically. Clearly, he was, yeah, he names a name, Lucilla, which I'm guessing was maybe his wife, somebody who was possibly killed by the Cardassian. So it's, it's a hardcore, you know, dream or nightmare that he's having. But she, she, they go to fall asleep again and he says, wait, you know, get that chair and bring it over here like a real nurse. And, you know, sit by me. You're my nurse. You're my nurse. Like, you need to be sitting right next to me, which is very sweet.

Again, that's why I don't get the writer's idea that this guy was manipulative. How would she stay? How would she stay? Yeah, yeah. It's totally worth it. And she puts her hand at the end. You know, he closes his eyes and she puts her hand like on his heart or his chest or something. Very sweet.

This is when she should have whispered, Uncle Bill, sleep well. Like that. Go away. All right. Go back to. Okay, Robbie. Back to Robbie. Back to our story.

Go to Quarks. the boys are playing cards. They're arguing over the value of this land. You know, Jake's like, land is worth a lot. And No, he's like, it's dirt. It's just dirt. And then Odo and Quark pass by, and they're discussing some mystery consortium called No, Jay. Quark works like, I don't have a clue who that is.

And he goes to check the security transmissions. The way he played it before he goes to. check, I thought he knew the way he was... Oh, you did? Yeah, the way the scene was, I thought that Quark knew from the name exactly who it was. So it was like confusing. It was like... I did not. I didn't either. I didn't

think he was knew. Totally clueless, yeah. Wow. Okay. That's interesting that you're just assuming that Quark's always lying maybe because I could see why people would assume never believed Quirk. Yeah. But we do get... I assume, yeah, well,

Yeah, he does lie a lot. We do get an excellent piece of information from Odo. He says that he was contacted by a government official this morning and that they want to build a reclamation facility on a strip of land owned by four different people. Three of them have agreed to sell, but the government doesn't know how to reach the fourth, the no-J consortium. No-J consortium. These youngens, these teenagers have basically walked backwards into the most amazing deal that they can possibly have had, right?

I mean, this is huge. So Quark goes over, he opens that drawer where he's got these liquid vials. Liquid vial chips. I remember when the first one came out and we talked about it. And I think Armin was like, Armand goes, I don't think we're, we ever see those again. We've now seen them like three or four times now. Right. And the first one was like this long, slender piece of that I thought they looked like,

like a piece of plexiglass, right? A little piece of like kind of very thin brick. But then. and they were the liquid ones. I can't remember which time, which episode that was the first time. And they're just staying liquid. They're staying liquid.

So let's stay on top of that. Let's stay on top of that. We're going to be tracking the liquid security vials. We will be in charge of continuity. I don't get why they're liquid. It doesn't make any sense. No, it's weird.

It feels like it should be with Dr. Bishir. That's what Robbie. Robbie called it. It's a Cardassian technology. It has to be. It's got to be. That's why it's liquid.

Because the Federation is isolinear chip. It's not a vial of liquid. Yeah. You're correct, Garrett. Isolinear chips are the best. They are. They are. They're surfily.

Okay. And you can't break them. So what happened? Wait. So what happens? Okay. Back to our story. Quark goes over.

He opens the drawer. He pulls out these liquid vials. Yeah. And he's trying to look up some security transmissions, I guess, to find to figure this out. He's trying to figure out who it is. Yeah. And the Nog comes behind him. Uncle Quark?

And Quark goes, get out of here. Like, I'm busy. Or he's trying to get rid of him. And then Nog. mentions a business opportunity. Quark turns around and you see Armand go. Oh, you are J-no consortium. Yes.

He's like, no. Yeah, and that's all he says, but you know he's figured the whole thing out. I think he's proud of him, though. I do feel like there's this sort of like, wow, you did something that I did not think you could do, but you didn't. Yeah, yeah, he's happy. We go back to the cottage. Kira wakes up, and she's, she wakes up.

because there's a noise outside, so she goes outside, sees Mullabach is, his kiln is almost done. And so she comes out to help him finish it. And they talk a little, it's finished. And he says, I never thought that I would see this done. Yeah. And then she goes back in the cabin. Yep. As he lights the kiln, so now we see some fire, which I want to hear about your thoughts about

the fire, because that was a lot of fire. Oh, my God. I was so nervous watching this scene. I was freaking out. is this feel it do you think rob and do you think terry was this everything was on 18 stage 18 this entire am i right they didn't go on location because my goodness you they must have had the fire department on on oh absolutely standby or stay on the set because she lit it in multiple she let that whole cottage on fire i was like what the what the what the i i wonder okay so we'll get to the fire

i want to back up for a second he's he's lighting the kiln she goes inside and then once he gets the kiln lid she comes out with all these bags she's packed his stuff um she says uh his job is done he finished the kiln go ahead terry i was going to say he says what does he say he says when she comes back out yeah because he says an ultimatum the only way that i will be he says as long as that cottage is standing i stay here right as soon as he said that i'm like fatal mistake yeah you should have said that yeah yeah But instead of hitting the cottage, she first blows, she phasers the kiln. And he's like, what are you doing?

Yeah. I mean, I was like, you didn't have to phase the kiln. That was a little weird. Yeah. So, but then after that, she takes the weird. Yeah. Go ahead. She takes the little stick and she lights it with the kiln fire and then lights different parts of the cottage and fire as Mullabock stands there just watching shocked that this is happening.

She torches the place. That makes sense. The whole place. But leave the kiln alone. Take care of the cottage. Yeah, the kiln could have been like a memorial to him. It kind of like, they worked so hard on it. I was like, you just finished it.

Yes. I know. But to show the difference between Voyager and DS9, never once in seven years did anybody on Voyager torch anything? I don't think that's a lot of fire. We're pyros. We were pyros. You are.

It was, again, it was nerve-wracking watching that scene. I think it was a VFX enhancement. They probably had some fire. there, but I don't think that all of that was... Which part would have been? You're saying that... Like, if they had a little bit of fire... Yeah.

Then they can expand it and make it look bigger, I think, because that was too much fire to put on the stage. Inside a stage, yeah. Or it was like, were they at Vasquez Rock? See, that's what I thought, Robbie, that maybe they were on location. Maybe. When Terry does her documentary and she was there, she should answer this question. So, join her.

documentary to answer this. Yeah, guys, I'm going to get there. I'm going to get it. Anyway, so the thing's Torch. They have a heart to heart. And she says, he says, if I leave, then I'm going to die. And she says, no, I'm not going to let you. Right. And the two of them beam up. And before that, there's a very, very, very hardcore statement from Mollabakh. He says, you say you're my friend. Prove it. Use that weapon on me. He wants her to basically euthanasia him and end it for him. And she says, nope, can't do it. Then that's when he says, if I leave here, I'll die. He says, no, you won't. I'm not going to let you two to beam up and they're gone.

So sweet. I love this relationship. And I don't think he comes back. Does he, Mollabok? No. I don't. No, he does not. That's disappointing.

So disappointing. Sometimes, yeah. Can I give you one little tiny, can I give you one little tiny snippet of information here? Yes, please. In the interwebs, Mulabachukuk appears briefly in the novel War Child. So it's a DSN. novel, where he has Jadzia, you, Terry, pass on a message to Kira that he forgives her for her actions.

Wow. Cool. Okay, but that's not the same. I want to see him. Brian Keith. I want to see him with him then. I want to see him with him then. I want to see that scene on the, well, it's too late now.

Oh, we can talk about that for missing. We're going to let that go. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So my. theme for this episode my lesson is that home isn't where you are but it's who you're with that's what i took away from this um yeah i like that i do like that i think kira teaches him that and

you know and in a way he was home and reassuring to her like they built a bond and um yeah and i think the relationship of the boys like it's who you're with that's what feels like home you know yeah Terry, what do you think? Do you have a lesson in this one? Yeah, I think very much that if you can't change the situation, a person, your environment, then you have to look inside and go, you know, it's my, I have to change. It's my responsibility, whether I have to leave it, figure out how I fit in the situation. But, you know, this. Sell the yarmik sauce or whatever it's called.

Sell the yamick sauce and pack your bags. get off the moon. Be responsible. Yes. Yeah. Just this is a new phase. You have to change. Yes.

Yeah. And killing yourself is not the option. That's not the option. No. And I do feel that the last few episodes have similar themes in that, you know, here's a character digging in, digging his heels in, and not embracing the unknown. And then that's, and yeah, change. And I think, I think as human beings, we are all afraid of change in a way.

We're all wary of like, oh my gosh, we're so used to this routine and now it's going to change and this is going to ruin my life forever. And it's like, wait a minute, you don't know that. You don't know what the future is going to hold. Can you open up your mind to the point where you say, hey, I can try something differently once and see how it goes. Let's try it for goodness sakes. Who knows what's going to happen. So embrace the unknown and don't be so resistant to change that you dig your heels in and basically doom yourself, you know, is my lesson, I think. Right. Yeah. I love these lessons. Always good lessons in Star Trek. Thanks everybody for joining

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