The Delta Flyers - Remember

Episode Date: March 29, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Remember. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Remember:Dreams of a forbidden love affair haunt Lt. Torres after the Voyager crew picks up Enaran passengers.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, William McEvoy, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, PJ Tomas, and Nicholaus RussellAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Elaine Ferguson, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Megan Hurwitt, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Robert Hess, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Heather Chappelle, Kevin Selman, Heather Choe, Kelly Havlik, Richard Sandnesaunet, Justin Weir, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, and Kevin Hooker Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Delta Flyers. I'm your host, Garrett Wong. My co-host is Robert Duncan McNeil. Join us as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Robbie, how are you? I'm great. I'm great. Look at me. I'm on the bridge. I'm sitting kind of near for those that are just listening to this. I've got the big photo of the or bridge behind me, and I'm lining myself up right down front where Tom Parris sat. You're at the con, man. Seven years. That's right. I love it. I love it. I love it. Oh, the memories of the bridge. Yeah. A lot of fun times. Although the color of the carpet is a little bit off. So that might be... Yeah, this photograph is fading because it's old like us, Garrett. Yes. Hey, a couple of things I want to bring up. Um, first of all, I had a

dream that you were in my dream about probably about three or four days ago and you were I was walking past you and this is the craziest thing you were in a wheelchair and I I poked you in the chest I went and I made this sound I went boop like that and then you didn't say anything to me and you just ignored me and you kept going on in your wheelchairs so I don't know what that's all about no I was really bizarre so that's funny well i just saw this funny thing this morning it was a twitter account called the brimley cocoon line and what it is is when wilford brimley made the movie cocoon yes or when it was released wilford brimley was like you know this was a this was a movie by the way about like old people who are you know one foot in the door

to death like they're going to die and then the the alien egg shows up and all this adventure starts with the old, old, super old people, right? Yeah. Great movie, by the way. Great movie, cocoon. Well, Wilford Brimley was only like 51 years old or something when he made this movie. God, younger than both of us.

Yeah, I've, exactly. So this Twitter account basically like finds people and their birthday when they hit the point where they're passing the Brimley cocoon line where the age he was and it shows photos of them like okay so you know uh whoever passed the brimley cocoon line and here's them at that moment and here's wilford brimley looking like an old guy and they don't look old it's crazy it's funny it's a funny twitter account i highly recommend okay give me the twitter address for this it is the wilford brimley cocoon line is it is that long

I'm going to look it up right now. It's... Okay, you look it up. This is the Twitter is at Brimley line. So it's at... Okay, at Brimley line. Yeah, at Brimley, B-R-B-R-I-M-L-E-L-I-N-E. When Cacoon reached the theaters on June 21st, 1985,

Wilford Brimley was 18,530 days old. This account makes note of people who have reached that age. And here we have Nick Offerman and a photo of him. Let's see, Sean Hayes has passed the Brimley cocoon line. Robbie Duncan McNeil has passed the Brimley cocoon line. Who else is in here? It's funny. It's just funny. People have to go and look at it. I want to get on this Twitter. I want them to put me that I have passed the Brimley cocoon line. Oh, my God. Oh, okay. Enough about what's some funny stuff. Okay, the other thing I wanted to bring up,

we had some comments about the famous Harry Kim line like a snake through the tube. Well, I have a friend who's a big fan of Star Trek, Kira. And Kira is basically a shark biologist and just a biologist. And so they know a lot about snakes and, yeah. And Kira was talking about, well, yeah, snakes, you know, they can go into tubes. One of our abys, Anna said, it's a plumbing, it's a plumbing term. As in the snaking, you know, and I thought, I've never thought of it. as a plumbing term and this really really sort of um changes the whole game i would just want to say

interpret it as you will although this leads us to bathroom on on the ship conversations and all of that uh i was just talking about nassas real real astronauts there are vacuums for the the biological processes that have to happen for the male and female astronauts up in the space lab and things like that. And they have, I guess, like vacuum tubes that help them use the bathroom up at Space Lab or the International Space Station and Space Lab. I'm dating myself. That was like an old term for the original space lab.

It's the International Space Station, people, please. Robert Picardo was going to be very angry at me with the planetary society and using the wrong terms. Anyway, vacuums for for peeing and pooping. So I don't know what we did on Voyager. I assume it was closer to plumbing, I hope, than a vacuum device that we had to use. Right. Well, also in the story moment, we were trying to sneak through smoothly and not detected.

Yes. But interpret it as you will. Interpret as you will. Anna, you're right. Kira, you're right as well. Okay. All right. So this week's episode.

Yes. remember that's the name of it remember i was you're waiting for the next part i was stunned i was like i don't remember let's go watch this episode let's see what we remember about remember um we'll be right back guys thanks all right guys we're back from watching remember boy oh boy oh boy oh can i first bring up some fun facts that may you can you can start wherever you want fun facts fun facts this episode was conceived as a diana troy episode for star trek the next generation really joe monosky yes the co-writer of the episode's story recalled that that episode was actually a next gen story that brandon and i came up with a long time ago and it was going to be a troy story

lisa clink took it over and reworked it and made it a voyager episode interesting well we're going to talk to Lisa Klink for our patron patrons we're going to get Lisa's coming on after this to talk with us about that process but I got to say like it's funny you say that I'm I know a lot of stories on our show came from next gen nuggets that never got made or were kind of reinterpretations but I also was thinking as we watch this like there's obviously a lot of like Holocaust horrible metaphor stories that we've done. And I find that that's often a go-to. But what I think is so, you know,

it's an easy way to sort of put this in a category. But yet it's so much, it's also, you know, what's great about Star Trek episodes is they can relate to all kinds of experiences like apartheid in South Africa and the truth and reconciliation commissions in Rwanda. in Rwanda with the Rwandan genocide and all kinds of, you know, this story of bigotry genocide, horrible memories that get repressed, stories that people just don't want to talk about.

I mean, here in America with our, you know, expansion West and Native American history and the indigenous people of North America, how horrible that was. Agreed. There's so many. So I guess what I'm saying is like, immediately thought about a Holocaust metaphor, I think, as I was Googling around a little, I read some of that, but I just want to expand our vocabulary on some of these parables that we tell, and they can be used for all kinds of things.

The other fun fact was this episode was meant as a parable to the Holocaust. Oh, interesting. Fun fact number three. Fun fact number three. Eve Brenner, who played Jora Morel, also guest starred in Star Trek The Next Generation. The episode is called violations. And in that episode, it also featured a species with telepathic abilities being able to manipulate the memories of others. So you already did an episode like this.

I got to say something about Eve Brenner. Eve Brenner, I may look this up right now. I swear I worked with her on something else. And I don't know if it was a show called Second Chances that was on CBS for a while back in the early 90s. I feel like Eve Brenner may have been in that show with me, but I acted in a show with her on another series. I just can't place it. Maybe the fans will find that.

Wow. Robbie? Yes. Haiku me. I will totally haiku you right now. Here we go. Haiku for remember. I dare you. I dare you to haiku me. Watch this.

Here we go. Dreams or memories. Balana discovers the truth. chooses to remember. Bam! Ah! There you go. Yeah.

There's our haiku. Bam bam for a bam, bam, bam. Here's my limerick for the episode. Remember. While escorting Anorans back home, Balana dreams memories alone. Regressives are shunned, but no one is bummed.

Their true fate, none would ever condone. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, boom, bam, bam, bam, oh. Nice. You raising the roof for me? I was raising the roof, yeah. I spent more time on that one, actually. Yeah, that was good. I'm happy.

I like that. That was good. Nice rhythm to it. It was fun. It was, yeah. I love a limer. Teleplay by Lisa Klink, who again, we will talk about this episode today. Yes.

And story, Brandon Bragg and Joe Minoski, as you said, came, that's very cool, came off of a story from NextGen that never got made. directed by Rick Colby Vinrich Colby I will say I didn't even know who directed it but before the director credit came up I was like this is well directed

out of the gate was very well directed Rick always had a good sense of lenses and composition and staging and it just always kept things dramatic and moving and kept the frame interesting and cinematic even in simple scenes I give a big 10 out of 10

for Rick's directing of this episode. I thought he did a great job. The Delta Flyer stamp of approval for directing goes to Rick Colby over and over again. Yes, good job. Very, very talented. And he was dating Kate at this point. Yes, he was. Kate and Rick Colby.

Yeah, they were officially dating. Yep. Yes. Let's start with. Look at that little, look at that, look at that little flirty glance that Harry has right there, right? I had to stop and go back. I'm like, seriously? What a creeper from like 50 feet away.

You're like, you were just like, wow, wow, wow. I just smiled at it, Robbie. Is it a crime to smile at another person? It is not a crime to smile at a pretty alien. All right. No, it was just funny. It was just like all of a sudden the rack focus lens across the room and there's Harry creeping from 50 feet.

And then he comes over. even look at balana the whole scene and she's like sure you guys go on to dinner without because you're like i guess it'll just be the three of us awkward awkward yeah go on without me and you guys are out of there before she even finishes the sentence very funny okay what i wrote down about this scene erie has a crush on jesson clearly um but what's comical to me is the anorans are sharing their conservation technology with us but yet they don't even have warp capabilities. So it's like how much really can they share with this technologically if they don't even have worse. It is interesting. This idea of them sharing some technology

fits into the narrative we learn later that it was sort of this technological divide in their culture, that the people, the regressives, ultimately we learn. The regressives want to stay more more kind of traditional and the new wave wants technology, you know, technology advances. And that's really the divide as we learn in the story. Did you notice, Robbie, the change in Roxanne's voice? When she was playing, Jora? No, this is in, when she's talking to Jorra, this is still the opening scene in engineering. This is still the opening scene.

Yeah. Jensen says, maybe Harry could give us a hand. And Torres says, well, I'm sure he would if you asked him. Just in that phrase alone, it became very, it took on the same quality as Joe Morrell's elderly voice. So Torres was sort of speaking like, well, I'm sure you would if you asked him. Really? Yes. It's this very like, it's really weird. Like for me, if I'm in a taxi cab and the taxi cab driver happens to be from the one of the

former Soviet republics, I will start speaking in a Russian accent because that's what happens. If I'm in England, I start speaking kind of with a British accent. In Germany, I start speaking with a German accent. I think you and I both do that because we moved around a lot as children. I do the same thing. If I go to New York, I start having a New York accent with a cat driver. Same exact thing. And I think it's because you and I both, as kids, we were moving all to different parts of the world, different cultures.

We had to blend it. We had to fit in quickly. So that's funny that you say that. And maybe the same with Roxanne Busson. She moved around a bit too. guessing and it's just to me I was like wow this is so not a Torres sounding voice and it's just for that one line in that scene every other line she has in that opening scene is normal Torres you know so interesting that's one thing I picked up on yes let's move on to the next scene well we move on to

Torres is in bed sleeping or we think she's we don't know where she is exactly but she jumps up with a knock on the door and uh she's in this flowy chiffon sort of very um Romancey outfit. And basically we go into this vivid sex moment which is very unusual for Star Trek generally but it was definitely a very

passionate. It was very passionate you know. And by the way Charles Esten, Chip Esten who is that guest star playing Dayton. Dayton, right? Like Nathan with the D. Dathan, Chip

Eston or Charles Eston became very famous on Nashville series. He's currently, I think, doing a show called Outer Banks on Netflix. He's a friend of a friend. I've met, I've met Chip a number of times. And I had forgotten that he was in this show. He's gone on, he's gone on to a great country music career. He's got a big following because of Nashville. He became one of the replacements on whose line is it anyway doing comedy improv. He's a very talented. Yeah, he's very talented actor. Wow. I think he started as a theater actor doing the national tour of buddy the buddy holly musical uh chip chip estin has done a ton of

ton of great work super talented i forgot he was in this episode and did a great job and super in shape too you could see he had the gym body going on totally had the gym body going on and those kind of scenes are hard because i thought it was beautifully sort of pushed in and you see um you know as as balana is taking off her you know clothes or they're both getting undressed It was shot in a very sensual and passionate way, but not exploited at all. Yeah, very tasteful. Sensual, passionate, tasteful. Yeah, I agree.

I thought it was beautifully done. Mm-hmm. Well, she wakes up out of this stream. And now we see we're in Bologna's quarters and look at the color of her neon lighting. Everyone has a different neon lighting color scheme. What was her color? Was she blue? Hers is cling on red.

It was like cling up, you know, and her even her nightgown is red. Like everything has that bread. on red insignia color, right? So I thought that was interesting. Chiquet is kind of berating her. Yeah. Again, I thought that scene was great. Upside down shots.

It's funny because one of my first episodes of Dawson Creek that I directed, I did an upside down shot. And I didn't remember seeing this shot with Rick Colby. But it could have stuck in my head somewhere and that memory. and I shot a similar kind of upside down shot with someone waking up before too. Anyway, yeah, Chiquote wakes her up. She runs out.

She's apologizing in the next act and talking to Chocote, but she starts confiding in him. Very intimate, you know, sharing, oversharing, almost about her sex dream. I love the quote. She said, yeah, the most sensual dreams I've ever had in my life.

were you kind of jealous because it wasn't about you it was about somebody else it wasn't about tommy i know i was i'll tell you what i was jealous about is as she was telling him she was like titillated and they were flirty about you know people smiling like oh yes there was a lot of i mean maybe at that point they were still thinking about chikote and torres as a couple i think they they definitely thought about that in the first few seasons that was definitely the the the most likely pair for those two, in my opinion. Right. And then the second most likely pair was Kim and Torres,

but then we won't go into that. Yeah, so, okay. So meanwhile, Neelix has shut off the mess hall and turned the mess hall into Anara, the colors of Anara. There's an Anara theme party going on. I love that music. I love that music.

Very spa-like, very, I don't know, it spoke to me. That music was good. I loved our suits. I thought our suits were nice. I love the moment where Neelix offers us algae puffs, and I take one. And I don't know if you noticed my face after I was tasting it and just kind of walking out of frame.

I was like, I couldn't tell if I really liked it or if it was disgusting. But the Anarin algae puffs definitely, you know, made an impact on Tom Paris, that's for sure. Do you remember that wardrobe, that piece of wardrobe? Vaguely. Yeah, vaguely. I remember that suit, definitely. because I yeah because I was it was so funky because it just it connected up top and it just opened up you know so there were there were no buttons along the torso it was just at the neck and I remember the collar I remember that wearing that suit and I I liked it because let's face it we're always wearing the same Starfleet uniform in every damn episode so to be able to wear something different is a dream come true you know and so I I just oh my God I just love it I really love that so suit. I think Harry's

hair looks fabulous in this episode as well. Yeah, your hair looked good. I thought Tom's hair looked pretty good, if I do say so myself. It did. It did. Tom's hair did look good. Well, the one thing in this scene that made me very uncomfortable was when the Enar and leader, Jor,

was playing the instrument. And he was sort of caressing this large orb. And it was playing music. That sounds nice. push. Well, look at the clip. We're pushing in slowly as, you know, Janeway's feeling so moved and we've come out of, and we're pushing in. And just the way he's caressing that orb instrument, I just found it very awkward. I got to be honest. I found it awkward. And then when Janeway's like, give me a chance. I'm like, oh, God, no. Oh, God, she's going to caress the orb. And she does. And he sort of telepathically shows. her how to play. My notes

regarding that particular scene is that they impart they telepathically impart this music knowledge using the psychic palm is what I've labeled it. Or the psychic Heisman, I'm going to put a little football in here. The psychic heisman because the hand

goes like back. Always getting the football. And right off the bat, Janeway knows exactly how to play this thing like an X-Pen. But it's too powerful almost. She's almost like backing away like, whoa, whoa, whoa. you know, it became almost a, almost a me too moment of like, wait a minute, you've just kind of, yeah, a little too much, right?

At the end of the scene, I laughed out loud when Chacote says, someone says, where's Bologna? Why isn't she at the party? And Chacote says with a smile, I think she might have gone to bed early tonight. I laughed out loud. That's true. That's true. Hey, did you also, after the cheese puffs, sorry, the algae puff scene,

Did you notice that wacky smile that John Ethan gave to the camera as well? He did this goofy, like, what's that? It's just a little bizarre. So there's a lot of laughs and little inside jokes, I guess, going on right now. She has another dream. And we meet her father who's kind of reprimanding her for meeting this boy. Yes. Can I just, can I interrupt you for one second to talk about the character of Jarrett,

played by Bruce Davison? I didn't realize that Bruce was the guest star in this episode and I saw him and I was like, oh my gosh. And Bruce Davison, for people that don't know, he's had a very long, distinguished career, stage, TV film. On stage, he was in The Elephant Manor, the Glass Menagerie, so some really heavy, hardcore plays that he's been part of. I got a huge kick out of seeing Bruce.

So in this flashback, the one moment I thought was very strange is he starts to leave, Bruce starts to leave, and he turns back, he says, don't, don't forget to drink your Terran juice. And she, she picks it up, and then he looks back again, and she drinks it. And I was like, what's in the freaking taran juice? Like, Rebecca said, don't drink the Kool-Aid. Kool-Aid. Yeah. But I don't, I don't know if the Taryn juice ever came back as a element. Like, I thought that was going to be a thing, like, oh, you're brainwashing. but yeah i don't know so you thought it was some type of drug uh that was put in the taryn juice

you know to control her yeah something like i thought that's where it was going to go and it didn't really if that's true and they never really answered that question but anyway no and but i think you thought that because of the emphasis that bruce put into that line you know what i'm saying there was there was that sort of undercurrent of like hey don't forget to drink your tarant like if you just threw that line away i don't think we really would think that anything other than that I thought it was going to be some kind of poison or drug, but I think it's even simpler than that. It's just it was establishing this sort of control that her father had over her. Correct.

You wanted her to drink what he said to drink, eat what he said to eat, think the way he said she should think. And ultimately, that was the story. But the boy comes back in, they embrace, and all of a sudden his skin turns this horrible, you know, burned color and melted face. melted face, burned face. That's how that, that dream ends there. She talks to Chacote about this. Just describes how real it all felt, how, you know, she's really upset by this. And it just, she's never had anything like it.

And he says, you know, why don't you talk to the Anorans? Did you make note of anything about his quarters? I wrote down, whoa, Chocote's quarters, question mark, question mark. Because I don't think we've ever been in his quarters before. Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember them at all. first thing I see is this crazy wall decoration, which looks like the Native American version of Captain America's shield is sitting on the wall. And then he's got a desk there. And I'm like thinking,

when have we ever been in this office? Yeah. I don't think we've seen it before, you know? So, first time in Chichote's office. I thought that was interesting. Yeah. Torres heads out from Chiquote and she's walking down in the corridor. And she has one of the dreams now, not while she's sleeping. but it catches her in the middle of walking. A waking dream in a way. Yeah, a lucid dream sort of situation. Yeah, and this time, it is a kind of an award ceremony. And so Jarath, her father, gives her an award at the ceremony

and inspires, gives an inspiring speech to all these young people. We're all sort of dressed in sort of uniform style. They're sort of rallying the youth toward the future. There's a, there's definitely a bit of a World War II sort of Hitler youth, Hitler youth kind of vibe going on for sure. Yeah. And Bologna sneaks over to a, to a corridor and has a secret conversation with her lover. What I enjoyed about this scene is that, you know, because Torres is basically reliving somebody else's memories, she can act completely opposite of what, how Torres acts on Voyager.

Yeah. And she is truly playing the giddy high school girl. I mean, just prancing around, which is really nice to see this different side of of Roxanne's acting abilities. Yeah. Roxanne was playing this very sort of sweet, innocent, and young, very youthful character. Yes. And I thought she did a beautiful job. I mean, if I haven't said that already, like overall Roxanne's performance in this is just

really phenomenal. Yeah. And what the punctuation or the end of this, this dream memory, Dathan gives the psychic palm, but the sensual psychic palm to Karenna so that she can feel, you know, what they've been doing in the past. And then that ends that scene. Yeah. We moved to engineering. And Kess finds out that Bala has passed out on the floor in the corridor near engineering. So then she has to be taken to Sick Bay, where we meet the doctor and we see that the doctor has discovered that the implanted memories in Torres is

subconscious are basically affecting her. The synaptic patterns of the implanted memories are not quite compatible with her neural pathways. So there's been some minor cortical damage, which the doctor corrected. So then he has an inhibitor to control her theta wave activity, which would then suppress her memories. So this is what they attached to her. Yeah, the cortical inhibitor that he puts on her looks an awful lot like a mobile

holographic emitter that the doctor wears later in the short series. Yeah, it's a round little prop. I wonder, I wonder how often they use the same props and just sort of changed a couple of redressed it a little bit. I mean, I know we did that quite often, but that definitely looked like the, very much like the mobile emitter that became such a... You know what, Robbie, we need to get, we need to get some of these props guys that we worked with as a guest on the show, you know, like John Nistowitz or Allen. Allen, yeah, any of these. guys would be wonderful to just chat with a little bit, right? It would be nice for sure. That would be great. Yeah. And those guys are the props department

here. They were on the next generation and on the next gen. Some of those props department people had come from like the original series in the movies and things. Yeah, that's right. They have deep, deep eyes to track for sure. Definitely. Um, the next scene we're in the mess hall and there's a conversation between Jor Brell, Janeway, Tuvac, and Torres. And Brell's basically sort of discounting, or he's trying to say, certain aliens have picked up on our psychic field and they'll get, maybe she's just getting bits and pieces of everybody's collective memories, right?

So he's just, you know, he's shrugging it off. Torres doesn't believe this. She's too, she feels that, that she can feel that it's so real that she's not really convinced by Jor Brell's argument to the fact, to the point that she goes back to her quarters and removes the inhibitor. She takes it off, you know, right? Did you see that small statue in her quarters right before she removed? It's a little statue there that looks like a cross section of a human brain.

It's just so bizarre. I'm like, what is that? So anyway, so it's interesting because it's a cool little detail for this episode, but I don't know why Bala would have that in her quarters generally. Okay, so her next dream. it's the resettlement of the regressives to a new colony. They're being called by name to get onto a transport. And did you notice who the first regressive was that you see on camera when they call the names?

Oh, it was Pablo, wasn't it? Yeah, Pablo Soriano. One of our longtime background actors, Pablo Soriano. Pablo also did what wasn't, didn't Pablo do stand-in work for stand-in? Yeah, probably Chiquet, right? Yeah, I think for Chacote, he was Chacote standing. It was either Richard Storstead who did the stand-in for Chocote or sometimes Pablo. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Pablo was the first guy. Pablo was the first regressive checking out. I know. He's still doing it. I see Pablo's facing commercials and all kinds of things. Pablo was awesome. Yeah.

And I, you know, it's interesting because I didn't know. I didn't understand how Torres knew that it was Jora Morel until I realized, oh. The scar. The scar. Immediately, I got that. Yeah. But then you would think if they are in advanced culture, they would have a dermal regenerator

that would probably not leave a scar like that. Yeah, that's true. They had to keep that in there for the story, which really doesn't make sense in terms of how advanced these people are. But hey, for the story, you've got to have the scar. Torres finds her on the floor in her quarters. And we realized that because this information

was given to Jorbrell in the earlier scene, Jor Beryl is really the one responsible for Jora Marel's death. They cover it up somehow, but she does give the rest of the memories to Bologna. She says, you know, don't let these memories die. Please promise me that. They can't deny the truth. Very powerful. You know, this story of sort of dividing people and manipulating,

we're about to get into a scene where the father completely manipulates her feelings of love for this young man and manipulates it and uses that as against her to to turn her uh you know against these people with based on lies based on untruths based on exploiting yeah someone's love or fear or or relationship you know exploiting his relationship as her father exploiting that relationship to twist her mind around is just horrible. And we see that happen over and over again. This scene in Karenna's bedroom. Yeah. This scene in Karenna's bedroom is so powerful because Jareth, Bruce Davison, really, he starts out, you know, with a certain amount of volume in his voice is definitely, it's louder in the beginning. But then as his argument goes on, it gets quieter

and quieter and quieter until he just stopped speaking and that's when Kerenna, her mind flips. It's so quiet that you can actually hear crickets. And then I wrote, wait a minute, crickets also exist on Anara. There's crickets there too.

But this scene was so powerful and this was the scene that really reminded me of Jews being sent to the concentration camp. This is when the Holocaust references really hit home for me. It was like, gosh, this is this is a, this is a,

extremely powerful scene overall. After the scene where the father completely exploits her feelings and her relationship with her dad to turn her against her own instincts and her own beliefs, her own love. They execute these young men in the public square. And then we go to jumping ahead a little bit. Corinna is shown as a teacher teaching young students. First of all, I got to say, Kate's son is in that scene.

Egan. That's what? Yeah. The boy that was sitting off to her left side or that boy is is Kate Mulgrew's son. I forgot. No. But Alec. Yeah. She has two boys, Kate, Ian and Alec. Ian's not in the scene, but Alec was the youngest, her youngest son. Oh my. Was an extra basically. That kid did look familiar. Okay. That was Alec. So yeah, so that was a fun side note. And then I remember when that happened, she was so excited. But you see in that scene that she's teaching these young children from why. She says to them, you know, the regressives killed each other because they were so stubborn. How backward they were.

They were so backward that they killed each other. And so they're no more regressives. Now there's just us. And you kind of go, that's when I was like, oh, my God, it's the big. She's brainwashed. It's a big lie. She's spouting or she's sprouting, or she's sprouting? sprouting she's spouting she's spouting spouting and spouting spreading she's basically just regurgitating

what her father said you know what i'm saying everything the lies yeah can i just go back to the execution the execution scene of dathan um he's essentially burned at the stake you know what i'm saying it was like a futuristic version of being burned at the stake and then right after that when the crowd starts chanting you see korena join in and what is what is she doing the one arm up which is definitely a reference to the, you know, the Nazi salute, the Zeke Heil, the Heil Hitler, sort of a one arm up. So that was that reference was definitely not lost upon me in that one scene. Let's move on to the, after the teaching the young children. Yeah. So, well, yeah, Balana is incredibly affected by this and goes to the mess hall

and decides that she's got to tell everyone the truth. And in the middle, of this, you know, farewell to our new friends. Bolana tells the truth. The Anorans say that this is, they're, you know, they're offended, they're shocked. That's not the truth. Torres even accuses the main Anaran of having killed Jora, that he had her killed because he knew that she was passing on the truth and he wanted to suppress the truth. And Janeway is, Janeway says she can't support Balana's story.

She doesn't have any proof, but she does say, you know, go speak to the younger and Arns and tell them what you've experienced, which is kind of like that scene in her dream where she was teaching the young children, the lie. The captain's basically saying, go and pass on the truth. Well, I mean, Torres asked Janeway, she says, can I go down to the planet to investigate this, to find out what's going on? And Janeway kind of cites the prime directive. She's saying, we can't really interfere. Torres says, wait a minute, we can't interfere. because Jora Morel was killed aboard Voyager.

The doctor, according to Janeway, could not find any proof of that. But then Janeway sort of feels, you know, Janeway does side with Torres. She goes, I do believe that those memories are real. So what you can do is, you know, go talk to the engineers that are still here. They're packing up, right? And that's when she finds Jessin in engineering and convinces her, like, listen, look into this cover up, ask questions. Yep. And why don't you, I wish you could, you know, relive these memories.

And Jessen's like, yeah, I can make this connection. And she agrees and she does. She via the psychic palm, the psychic Heisman, she gets the memories from Torres, which were passed on to her from Jora Morel. And it's the same scene. We go back to the exact same scene. The intro scene. Now she wakes up.

Jessen wakes up in the same shot, the same, you know, chiffon gown, nightgown that, Balana was in when she experienced the memory and now Justice's experienced in the same shots and the same blocking. So the truth will get passed on and hopefully with younger people who are open to hearing the truth. The truth will come out. So what's your theme? Yeah, my lesson from this episode is that we need to be tolerant of all people and their beliefs to prevent another genocide from happening. Yeah, it all started with this lack of accepting the regressives as part of their culture. And with that sprung from that, all the rest of it.

Yeah, my theme, slightly different, but my takeaway, my lesson, is the old saying the truth will set you free, this idea that, the idea that, you know, these memories that Bologna was experiencing were the truth. Everything else had been a big lie. And so the truth starting to reveal itself will actually set them free and let them heal and be a more authentic society and not based on lies. So the only way to learn from the past and to move forward and grow and be authentic is to be honest and live with the truth. So yeah, that's my theme. Thank you guys for tuning in for this week's coverage recap of Remember.

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