The Delta Flyers - Repression

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Repression. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Repression:After members of the crew are discovered unconscious, Tuvok leads the search for the mysterious attacker who preys on those involved in the Maquis resistance movement.Meanwhile, off screen, Tom and Harry stage a great escape that goes down as the greatest of all time. Unfortunately, no one was there to see it. So, we’ll just take their word on it.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, Brannon Braga, & Bryan FullerAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Daniel de Rooy, Chris Knapp, Michelle Z, Janet K Harlow, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Adm. Bill "Seoulman" Yu, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lori Tharpe, Mary Burch, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Jeremy Mcgraw, Ali S, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Michael Dismuke, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Rob Traverse, & Penny LiuAnd our Producers:James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Chloe E, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Species 2571, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Ryan Benoit, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Will Forg, Max Wilson, Ryan Tomei, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Christian Koch, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Shane Pike, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, & Matt NorrisThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you canOur Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow Voyager actor, who in 2003 and 2004, directed two episodes of One Tree Hill, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, your favorite for Everinson, Garrett Wong. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to be. become a patron at patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers. How was that, Robbie? Montreal.

Where do they film that at? What studio was that? They filmed it in Wilmington, North Carolina. So it's funny because I did the last two seasons of Dawson's Creek. Yeah. And I remember North Carolina as well. I was in North Carolina. And I remember Chad Michael Murray was a guest star the last season.

He did a recurring part of Dawson's Creek. And I remember all the Dawson's Creek actors were really kind of glad that the show was ending. They were, you know, bittersweet, but they were, all of them were ready to move on. To move on. Six years, they did that show. And then Chad Michael Murray, who was a recurring guest star, says, oh, I got this pilot. Kind of a similar, you know, teen soap opera thingy. And I think they're going to shoot it here in Wilmington when you guys, when the Dawson's season is.

is over. And so the crew and everybody from Dawson's Creek, the crew, went over and shot the pilot. And then when it got picked up, came on to the show. So when I came back to do the first season, I didn't direct the pilot. But when I came back to do the first season, it was the same crew as Dawson's Creek. It was just a crazy like, oh my God, we're still. We thought this teen drama in North Carolina was going to be over. And it's not. It was just another name. A new show, same crew, almost the similar cast. Yeah, yes. But the same sound stages, right?

Everything. Same stages. Same film crew, same kind of, you know, teen drama. Same craft service, same everything, probably. Okay. It was kind of surreal and bizarre. That is kind of funny. Yeah. It's like a deja vu feeling that you got

and he came back again. And it was funny because the cast of One Tree Hill at first season, they were like all fresh and excited. And the cast of Dawson's Creek. Jaded. Yeah, they'd done this a while. So, like, the vibe with the actors totally went from like, you know,

met to in there and done that. Yay, right? Yeah, yeah. It was funny to come in with so many same faces, but a whole different vibe. Yeah. I bet you it wasn't just you that was noticing that. I'm sure the rest of the crew, everyone, whether it was sound or camera, they're like, wow, these new actors, they're pretty excited to be here.

They're not bored. Yeah, for sure. All right. Cool. So this week's episode. What is this week's episode? This week's episode is repression, repression. Interesting.

All right. Well, let's go watch this. Let's go watch this episode. We'll be right back with our recap and discussion of repression. For those of you who are Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material. Hey, everyone. We're back from watching Repression. My goodness. This is a very, there's so many plot twists and turns in this episode. I actually enjoyed this episode. So let's get right into it. You did? Yeah, I did. You're going to give a negative review right now. I'm sure. I don't know. Oh, no. We may have to agree to disagree on that. All right. That's fine. Let's jump right into it. Let's do our poetry synopsis. And here, here is my haiku for repression. Maquis are attacked.

Tuvok can't figure it out. It was always him. Okay. Let's hear that limerick. I like the reading. The limerick for repression. Amin Balana's date turns into a coma-inducing mystery. Tuvok goes on a double agent mind-melding spree.

Janeway pleads to his heart. Chocote's command gets a restart. And at the double feature, the buttered popcorn is free. Nice. There you go. Yeah, popcorn in there. That's good. I had to get Tom and Bologna's, you know, date.

Yeah. And the buttered popcorn had to get that. I wanted to talk about your movie night date, but it was just not enough in a haiku to squeeze. I know. I know. Limerick's got a little more space there. All right.

So were we right about... We did guess Ken Biller, didn't we? I think we did guess that he wrote it, but he's just the story. He's just the story behind it. The teleplays by Mark Haskell Smith. Which is who? I mean, this is clearly somebody on the writing staff that I don't remember at all. I'm like, who's Mark Smith?

I don't even think this is a writing staff. I think this was an outside assignment or something. Really? Okay. Anyway, Mark Haskell Smith, who I don't remember the name, the face, any of it is. let's talk about his first credit sure his first credit as we do with all our actors and everyone his first credit that i could find was a 1991 film called inside out produced by the playboy channel what sorry come again he directed a playboy movie a playboy channel movie he wrote

he wrote a movie called inside out now here's the interesting thing so obviously it's a playboy after dark, I don't know, not your high-end intellectual feature film, let's say. But here's what's interesting. In this movie that Mark Haskell Smith wrote, his first writing credit that I can find, in this, an actor named Parley Bear was guest starring. He was in Sacred Ground,

my very first directorial assignment. He was one of the old, the wise people sitting in the hall, way, the three wise people. Harley Bear was one of those. He was an old character actor. He was in Mark Haskell Smith's first writing. So my first directing and Mark Haskell Smith's first writing.

What a coincidence. Yeah. Okay. So story by Ken Biller, Mark Haskell Smith, Rick Colby directed it. All right. This is what I was going to say. When we were guessing the director, I was going to throw Colby's name out again.

But I was going to, I felt, you know what? Robbie's going to ridicule me for saying that. I can't believe it. There's no way. There's no way. But I knew it. I was so wrong. Rick has directed so many late season episodes. And I thought he left in like season four or five and didn't come back.

No. Our guest stars. Let's talk about her. Yes, please. We have a number of them. Tiro, Tiro, who we see first in the episode, is played by Keith Sera Baca. And he played Tiro Anidas, right? which to me it sounds like one of those commercials where if you're suffering from tyroonitis

this might be what you can do and it just sounds like some type of medical condition so it does okay like a lot of our aliens sound like medical um his first job was in 1979 oh a short-lived TV show called bleacher bums joe mantello based on the the play placed on the play Bleacher Bums, which ran in Los Angeles for 5,000 weeks or something like that. And it was the longest running out. And it ran in Chicago forever, too, right? Yeah. It was a bunch of Chicago Cubs fans sitting in the bleachers talking and comedy.

And they made a TV show out of it. Oh, wow. I did not know that. He was also a writer on that. Oh, my goodness. Maybe he had something to do with that play. Yeah, it sounds like it. My goodness.

Okay. 1979, his first job. Yeah. We also have Chell, Derek McGrath, playing. we've had before same actor yes he was on learning curve in season one and now he's on this episode i love shell i wish we had seen more of him yeah he's so great he's the blue guy what's his first credit just for the first credit in 1973 a movie with jack nicholson called the last detail oh my gosh yeah nicholson 73 okay yeah who else do we have we also have tabore uh this is jad madger major major

Yeah. Who's been around as well, yeah. Yep. Tabor, he was in fifth season, nothing human, and then this episode, his first job was 1990, the biopic thriller reversal of fortune. Wow. Yeah, I guess in a TV movie or something playing Alexander von Osberg. Okay.

So some kind of biopic murder mystery thing. In 93. So really? 90, 1990. Oh, 1990, 1990, okay. And who else? We have Carol, again, I can't pronounce this one. Carol last name, K-R-N-I-C.

K-R-N-I-C. Kier-N-I-C. She played Jorne. Her first movie was, first job was a film in 1994 called Death Junction. Wow. I wonder if her name is just a different spelling of Walter K-N-E-N-E-N-Last name, you know? Kernick, Kainik, it could be. Oh, yeah, maybe.

Yeah, we have Mark Raphael Truitt playing Yosa. Yosa. His first job, 1994, the TV series The Untouchables, which ran for a year or two, I remember. Did you notice from certain angles? He looks just like Brian Fuller. I was like, whoa, this is Brian Fuller's face from that angle. So, okay, that's Yosa. We have Ronald Robinson as SEP.

That was Tuvac's son. Oh, that guy. Yeah, yes, yes. Ronald Robinson. Yeah, it's a handsome young man playing. Handsome young man. First job, a 1991 TV movie called A Mother's Justice. Okay.

And we have Scott Allen Smith as Doyle. Doyle was kind of the bald crewman that was part of the Machi. Oh, Machi and he was talking about, we don't trust these guys. Yeah, that guy. Okay. He was in the 1992 series Brooklyn Bridge that starred Marion Ross from Happy Days as a kind of New York 1950s family. It was kind of a period dromedy. Gary David Goldberg, I think, created that.

He was the family ties creator. So it was about his childhood growing up in Brooklyn or something. Goldberg does the Goldberg show as well, doesn't he? No, different Goldberg. That's Adam Goldberg. That's our cast, lots of, that's everybody. you didn't get the most important person who the person in the movie theater that turns around and goes shh who was that i don't know i thought you would catch that person i mean

doesn't that person get a credit for being the shusher i mean well the shusher she teaches is that a looping group that would have done that or was that did they use her actual i think you can have extras do that the way it used to be you can have extras do that kind of thing and they were still just paid as an extra so it was not an actor role even though they were doing a sound out of their mouth sound and not a line so well well well now we know but that that shush taught balana about how to go the movies because she'd never did she had no clue yeah that you have to go and so balana at the very end if you recall shushes janeway that shush is very important um shall we move on to the opening shot let's move on to the show you know that poster that he's

looking at in the very beginning that Tiro is looking at. You see this. I've actually signed that poster at a convention. It's a very cool poster. It's a, it's a graphic of Voyager. And it's funny because I'm looking at that room and it looks more like a teenager's room. It's sort of like those posters don't look like they should be, I mean, they should be basically graphs and things that he's using. But they, to me, they look like some. They're very colorful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that kind of pulled me out a little bit. Well, we see this room. this teenager's room. We see this Bajoran man looking over. Yeah. And he's talking in kind of a spiritual tone. It's like, well, I wrote down. Yeah, he was the Bajoran ASMR guru because he's

whispering everything. It's a whole time. And he's and he's talking into a mic. It's like he's a podcast. He's a podcast. It's like he's doing the first Bajoran podcast. Yes. Yes. And it is I wrote down as like a voodoo ritual. And yes. what did what did he say he said he said pug tem far when I hit the I had to hit the little show me the the dialogue because I thought he said octin far atane

but it's pogtemfar batane batane which is this incantation and you don't really know what he's doing but you're going to learn later on what that what he's doing and why he's talking to a microphone yes and to me when that that that

little Bajoran word, that phrase, it sounds Persian or Iranian to me because the whole far part. And I used to know, I had a friend in college, his name was, the last name was Bustinfar. So his name was Babak, Bustinfar. So to me, this guy was speaking Bajoran, he could have been saying Bustinfar, Babak instead of Akhtunfar, Atane. It was very, like I said, Persian to me. But he does see images of Maki Torres, Maki Chakotay and Maki Tuvok. on that little laptop that he has. So now, you know, the audience is wondering, what's happening? Those images of Roxanne and her marquee outfits.

They made them look younger, too, correct? They made them look younger. It feels like they pulled frames from like the pilot or something, but Photoshopped them. It was very kind of Photoshopped those. Most definitely. Even Tuvok's image, even his face was Photoshop as well, I noticed, right? But as an audience member, you're completely, you're confused. You have no clue what's happening here.

is this guy? Where is he? Is he just a fan of the marquee? What is he doing? Is he fan-boying? We have no clue. Nothing. No clue. Then we go to Voyager. Current day. We're in a hallway. Balana and Tom are walking. She's got flowers. Tom says the secret to a happy marriage is keeping the romance alive. I made a note about Tom's fancy awkward shirt. Cool question mark. Not cool. I'm going with not cool. No, I'm going to say this. My first impression is that's a wonderful color on you. I like it because you don't see that vivid blue, so that looks very nice.

My second impression was what the top part of what Villano was wearing reminded me of that garment that you threw off of yourself. It was velour also, so that reminded me of that. But then, so at first I thought, gosh, that top looks really good. And then I started thinking, you know what? now Robbie's wardrobe looks like he is the manager of the Weston in Honolulu. Yes. You're going to walk in there and say, do you have a problem with your room, ma'am?

Because I can make sure that we can give you an upgrade. That's what I felt. It looks like a uniform from a hotel. You're absolutely right. So you felt the same thing. You did. Why? Actually, it looks like it's got too much starch in it.

You know how like hotel uniforms, they're just, they're like commercially cleaned and pressed and they just have too much Rinkle there, yes. No, that shirt looked like there was way too much starch in it. And it was just awkward. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Now we know. But how you felt. They walk into the holodeck door from the hallway and we come inside and we realize, oh, we're in a movie theater. Yeah. And I immediately had all these memories. Oh, please tell me.

Where was this? It was in the heart building. It was the screening room. For the heart building screening room. Oh, now I get it. That screening room was in the heart building where our writers were, which originally that building was part of the RKO radio pictures movie lot that got bought by Paramount and then they combined them.

Yeah. So that was the RKO radio pictures screening room probably from back in the day, right? From way back in the day. And that's where Orson Welles screened Dailies for Citizen Kane. Oh my gosh. That theater. Oh, my gosh. I did not even know the history of that until you brought that up.

Like, I should have taken that more seriously. So the actual on the walls of that theater, is that how it looked or was it dressed to look like that? No, it looked like that. They didn't do much of anything in there. It's sort of like a retro art deco sort of looking. Very art deco. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Okay. And by the way, I used that little screening room. I got the studio to or rented it or something. I screened one of my short. films there for all of our crew that had volunteered and and I did it at lunch one day while we were filming. I used that theater to screen. I think it was the battery. I think it was my first short

film. Did you invite us? Did we come with you? Yeah. Whoever was working that day got invited. And I did it because I wanted people to be able to see it. Yeah. We did it at lunch. It was great. It's great little theater. It's not that big. It probably seats 100 people at the most. not a large maybe less right and and i will say she starts talking about the ornate molding and this and that yeah it did make me wish that we had gone off the lot and filmed at like you know man's chinese theater or you know one of the old movie palaces it would have been cool even the egyptian theater on hollyway that would or the egyptian or something because this was a tiny little screening exactly it was not as ornate as the as the dialogue led you to

I believe. This is a good size for a few studio execs. But, you know, in terms of a massive ornate, I mean, this is supposed to be a replica of the old palace theater in Chicago built in 1932. And it wouldn't be that size. It'd be bigger than that for sure. It'd be 2,000 seats and giant. Yeah.

But anyway, they're watching a 3D movie. Tom hands her some 3D glasses. She goes, oh, protective glasses? That's very funny. No, it's a 3D movie. And they're going to be watching. the Black Lagoon movie, the creature from the Black Lagoon, yeah, which they called Revenge of the Creature instead.

Did the gum-stepping thing happen here where she stepped on gum? Yes, yeah, she stepped on gum. That's a cute little, nice detail. A moment, yeah. The creature from the Black Lagoon, I have a connection to that old, those old will be movies as well. There's an editor named Mitch Danton, who I did a lot of Dawson's Creek and some other shows with.

Mitch's mom was the female star of the creature from the black. No. She's the famous one that's doing like. She's the one doing the screaming. In the photo, that's much's mom. And so I think she just passed away the last few years, but Mitch got her to write a book about her life in Hollywood. Oh, wow.

A B movie actress back in the day. So it was fun to see that title come up in our show and kind of go, oh, that's Mitch's Oh, no, that's cool. Yeah. My favorite part of this scene is when you turned to Torres and say, people didn't go to the movies just for the movies, you know. And she goes, really? What did they go for?

And you go, well, I'll try to demonstrate. When you said, well, I'll try to demonstrate. It was basically the same as yes, ma'am. But it was the flirty version of yes, ma'am is what happened. So it's Tom Harris. Try to demonstrate. Yeah, it was a very, you know, huh? And I like the classic, like, oh, I got a stretch.

Yeah, she's like, crick in your neck. Yeah. Classic movie date. Yeah. Ropes. It was fun. God. But anyway, someone shushes us, and that's not very nice.

So I think one of us deletes the audience. I can't remember. Well, she says, because Torres says, you know, it would be a lot more fun if we were alone. This is after being shushed. and that's when Paris deletes the audience. So you delete it. You say delete audience, but of course. Delete the audience.

And then we see one person in the front row. It looks like they're asleep. Yeah. And we get up. We walk down and it's Tabor. Yeah. Well, and actually Taurus recognizes Tabor from the back of his head, too. She's like, oh, it's Tabor.

And then you guys walk down and see him. And a little freaky because his eyes are wide open. And he's just catatonic is what he is. So we don't know. We have no clue. what happened. No clue. So we go to Sick Bay. Tabor's in a clamshell. Docs because he's got micro fractures in his skull. Yeah. But they can't find the cause. And he's in a coma. Yeah. But boy, he looks good in a coma. Yeah. I've never seen anyone as handsome and good looking as that in a coma. So there you go.

Yeah. Chikote asked the doctor, you know, we've got to find out what's wrong. We cut to the theater. And Tuvok is there looking at the three glasses, which I thought was funny. And I think, Belauna says something like, Tabor was invincible before this. Like, he was a tough guy. Yeah, they said that he had his own personal force field. They would joke about this because he'd gone through all these firefights as a machi and didn't even get a scratch or any scuffle on his clothing. He was completely untouched.

So his clothes didn't even get dirty. And, you know, Tuvok says, well, maybe he still has his force field because he's still alive. So now we know he's alive. Still alive. Yeah. And Harry walks in and says, commander, I've reviewed the sensor logs for four hours that Tabor was in here and all systems were operating normally. Safeties were all in line. Yeah. And Tuvok says, we'll run a level five

diagnostic on the logs and then Janeway calls Tuvok to sickbay. But right here is the biggest hole in this episode for me. Why? Because, all right, I have a house back in Utah and we've got a half dozen or more nest cameras around security cameras watching the yard. watching the entryway. Okay. This is a Starfleet vessel on a holodeck that has to record not only the holodeck image data, but the humans that interact. And yet somehow all we can come up with is a shadow, a shadow.

Like, there would be camera recordings of everything. Like, you can't commit a crime on a Starfleet ship without be recording. I'm sorry. There's got to be cameras everywhere. And for some reason, we just can't figure out what happened in the holodeck. There's only a shadow. That to me was a problem the whole time. I was like, I didn't have a problem. Well, okay, let's just let's talk about this.

Now there are cameras everywhere, okay? But in 1999, 2000, there were not cameras everywhere. So, yeah, so you've got to just kind of just let go, man. Yeah, because I feel like it's a hard one. It doesn't age well for me, this one. I get it. I get it. But I get we've got to have a mystery for Tuvok to go solve.

I get it. But I wish they had said like there was a power surge or something that our data was deleted. Any simple thing to address like our. you know on board tracking data uh you know we had a power surge and yeah something anyway that's all for me i just want to say a lot of questions were answered because i have i've seen images of the 3d glasses on paris on torres on janeway on tuvac and i've always wondered what episode is that and now i know it's this episode yes and there's another there's another shot that is oftentimes seen on social media

and it takes place on the bridge when Harry is sort of acting captain and Chacote comes in and phasers him. So the shot is really of me standing up turning towards Chocote and it shows the phaser beam heading right at my chest and I've got this really wide grin

like smile as I'm getting shot and I'm like, what, where's that from? It is also from this episode but I paused it, froze it and went backwards and forwards I never smile. So someone must have photoshop the smile in as I'm getting shot standing there

looking at Chikote because that smile does not exist and I rebound that. I spent 15 minutes trying to stop. I wonder if it was a the photo came from a rehearsal because remember they would have set photographers there and we might not have been filming and they would take photos usually during the rehearsal because they wouldn't take it during the filming

because you'd hear their cameras going. so the set photographers would take publicity shots they had these boxes they would put around the camera because they used to film they used to shoot photos on film now they have digital cameras that are silent but back then the mechanics the clicking yeah and they'd have to put this soundproofing box around their camera it was like a silencer for a gun this was a silencer for a camera is what it was

do you remember that box yeah photographers come on with this like suitcase in front of their face to silence their camera. It was very funny. Do you recall the name of our main guy? Yeah, that makes sense. That does make sense. But what was that guy's name? Our main set photographer.

Can't remember. Because now I feel like this would be a fabulous person to bring on to interview. Think about it. I mean, he's been there for so many moments. I think we had the same set photographer 99. I can see his face right now. I can see him right now. And then we'd have another.

someone will fill in for him every now and then but it was the same guy for the most part right 95 to 67% of time yeah okay you're right so probably when he was taking that maybe it's from there yeah for rehearsal or something yeah so Toulac gets called out of the the holodeck investigation with the shadow

and I don't even know if the shadow was up yet but the shadow no it's not yet it's not later yeah Janeway goes to sick bay next and Tuvac comes in and she thinks that he was attacked.

And basically in this scene, she assigns Tuvok to investigate the whole thing. That's what happened in sick day. And Chikote has to find out what he's been doing the last few weeks. So he's going to go access Tabor's duty roster. Yep. And we have a shot in the hallway following Tuvok, who now has just been assigned the lead investigator in this mystery.

It's like a steady cam shot following him down the hallway. way, the classic suspense kind of movie on a mission down the hall, following him until he gets to the doors of Tabor's quarters. And he has to do a security override to get in. That's right. Can't get in right away. And the door opens, and he finds Jor. Phrumann Jor, who was a friend of Tabor, is in there suspiciously inside his quarters.

I would have directed her to be a little bit more shocked. So it would have come off as a little bit more suspicious. You know, she was a little too subdued, I felt. But she's holding a book. Yeah. Yeah, she says, I'm just here to get a book to read to Tabor. Yeah. And I'm going to read it out loud.

I've heard it comforts, homatose patience. Tuvok is very cold, very suspicious. Oh, he starts questioning her immediately. Where were you earlier? Blah, blah, blah. You know, she said, I was in engineering. So he's already on his little sleuth, his sleuthing mission, trying to find out who's behind this.

Very suspicious of her. We have a little space fly by. We go to the ready room. And Tuvok's there telling the captain, she's responsible. Jor is the suspect. He's sure. He only has one suspect is what he says. He only has more one.

He's a bad detective, I got to say. Really? Dude, you just met one person and you're convinced it's them. It seemed a little, you know, early to be made. Oh, well, this is essentially the Chikote eye-rolling scene because he's just like, why would they're really, really close friends? That's why she has access to it. his room they're they're like this and two bucks like that no i don't think so so he has a hunch

like i have an instinct or a hunch it's not very vulcan at all yeah and janeway even has to get involved she's like i can think of some other possibilities and uh you know it's a nice scene with janeway and tuvok i love the simple framing choices again rick colby's taste knocks it out of the park. He's got the simplest ways of framing things, but it's really a beautifully shot, this little simple scene in the ready room. We go to engineering next. The note I wrote down, we're in engineering. There's Yosa in there. There's Jor in there. I'm like, who are all these new faces saying what? Who are these people? I guess they've been there a lot, but we've never met them before. Yosa says pressures fluctuating in 114. So section 114. So section 114.

or something, right? Yeah. So she tells him to go check the seals. He's there in the Jeffries Tube, checking everything with the tricorder when all of the lights go out. He calls to, he hails engineering, Yosa to Engineering, no response.

And all of a sudden, some flashlight turns on at the end of the Jeffries Tube and starts shining in his face. And he's like, hello, hello, no answer. And now this is starting to freak him out a little bit. And you know what's interesting is that this is the first person

to actually move on his backside backwards in the if think about it like typically we're in the jeffreys tube we're on hands and knees crawling right but he's actually on his bottom and he's sliding backwards and i thought hey why didn't i do that you know so this was uh you know it's one way to keep his face on camera clearly but still you never see actors doing that so he steals the hatch after he gets out of that section and he tries to seal the hatch but it's it's overrided by whoever is on the other right so yes he says computer lock the door cannot comply and finally the lights come out of the yeah hatch opens the lights are right on top of him and we know he's in trouble yeah um we go to sick bed day doctor and jane we are there um he's got he's in a coma yosa's in a coma with his eyes

open again yeah tabor's in the background still in a coma chikote tuvacher there uh they have a same injury and this is where he looks like the profile shot of yosa looks just like brian fuller i was like wait a minute so yes same injuries same micro fractures across his right temple neocortical readings are identical to tabor so whoever knocked tabor out clearly knocked yosa out we know that at this point and tuvok asked who discovered yosa and janeway says crum and jor so maybe she is the guilty party chikote hails jor no response janeway asked the computer to locate jor In the mess hall, she sends Tubac and Chakotay to the mess hall. Yes, they arrive.

It's dark. Yeah, it's very dark. Which, by the way, I thought a dark mess hall as they walked by the windows, the starfield looked great. Because when the lights are down low, the starfield, we have a big black velvet curtain with little shiny mirror, you know, things or reflector. Yeah, a little tiny crystals or whatever they. sewing something thing yeah they sew it into that black cloth it often looks a little okay but this one this shot i thought it great i'll have to go back and look at it again great starfield okay they find jor in the mess hall in the same type of coma with her eyes open and it's a

cool shot because you see them go over and her face is in the foreground and they're out of focus behind her and it was just again good job rick colby great taste go to sick bay um the doctor says if this I love his first line. If this keeps up, I may have to open a special home award. He's put upon poor doctor. He's got all these injured people and just too much. Chacote hands Janeway a pad, da, da, da, da, asking her to look at the names and if she notices anything peculiar.

And of course, she says, huh, they're all marquee. Now here comes an interesting little bit of dialogue. Chikote looks at Janeway and says, maybe someone on your crew couldn't put the pass behind them. And then Janeway stopped for a second and said, He says, my crew? And he's like, oh, our crew. So it was a little, yeah.

It was like, a little tension there between mom and dad. And it seemed like an innocent slip-up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But obviously later on, we're going to realize that it's all-shadowing is what it is brainwashing. Most definitely, yeah. Five Machia are in comas. Tubac says it must be someone who has access to security protocols in order to escape detection because no one can figure this out.

And the doctor says that, well, they better find a way to protect the rest of the Maki because he's running out of beds. He doesn't have an abet space. And this was all a Steadicam scene. This was beautifully staged. I love the Steadicam work in here, a great blocking.

Do you remember our Steadicam operator name, guy's name? I can picture him, but I can't. I want to say Greg for some reason, but maybe... He looks like a Greg, but I don't think that's the right name. All right, let's keep going. It was Marcella. was his

Marcella was his girlfriend. She was the focus puller or wife or girlfriend. Was it Marcella? Marcella was the girlfriend of the guy that was the camera operator and they were trying to keep that secret from Marvis.

Do you remember this? Yes. Yeah. And when he found out, they were a couple. I think he got released after that. I remember. I don't remember.

But he came back doing Stankham only, yeah. Did he? Okay. That's his name. Marcella and... Fill in the blank. The guy that looked like Greg.

Guy that looked like... All right. We got to figure this now. Anyway. Okay. We're in the mess hall. Chikote is debriefing the remaining former marquee. He wants them to stay alert and report anything suspicious to Tuvok.

And Chal says, I'd rather report to you, Chakote, not to Tuvok. And another person chimes up saying, I don't trust Tuvac at all. And that Tuvok didn't even care about the marquee back then. So why should he care now? And Torres says, look, that is ancient history. That happened so long ago. And Chikote says, well, you know, the last thing we need is this outbreak of paranoia. He orders everyone to carry hand phasers.

Are there any other type of phasers other than hand phasers? I mean, why would you say hand phasers? As opposed to rifles. But that's a phaser rifle, though. You say a rifle. You wouldn't say a phaser. Yeah. It was just didn't say phasers.

It's funny to say hand phasers. It kind of pulled me out. And also, Chikote says, no one should go anywhere alone. It should be a buddy system, a partner system. And that is the end of that scene. We are now in the hollow movie house again. And here is where we have that little shadow here. I love this exchange.

Paris says, so Tuvot comes in. Tom and Harry are working on analyzing this. Paris says, we thought maybe the intruder left behind some kind of negative image. Yeah. And Harry says, yes, displaced photons. Tom figured that if we dampen the photonic ambience and enhance the polarity, and Tuvok interrupts him, we can applaud Mr. Paris's ingenuity later. What have you found?

I'm like, what rude? That is rude to us. It was so rude, especially because Tom is never the one that comes up with the science. You came up with the science. So I felt, look, this is like, you know, you know how they say. like a broken clock is always right twice a day. Well, every now and then Tom Paris knows the science. And if he knows it, let him speak to it.

And no. Duvok shuts him down. He said, no. Yeah. It was a funny little bit. It was a funny bit. We cannot tell who the attacker was, but we do know that someone was there from this idea from Tom of this displaced photons.

Tuvok asks for an extrapolation of the assailant's height and weight. Harry says it's between 170, 190 center. meters and maybe 75 kilograms. So it's an estimation. It's an estimation. They're all standing there looking at this kind of shadowy negative outline. I'm looking at it with my eyeballs. Yeah.

And I can tell it's Tuvok. You look at that shadow and I'm like, that shadow is definitely Tuvok. Why can't Tom and Harry see this? Yeah. What is the crazy world are we in? That's a Tuvok shadow. I can see it. We're like, who could that be that has ears that point up like that?

I'm not sure. Yes, you can see the point of ears. Oh, my God. Anyway, use your nest. Just go to the Nesk cameras. You'll see. Anyway, this is, this again, the moment where I'm like, Okay, fine.

So visual effects should have made it more fuzzy is what they should have done. Much fuzzier. It was a little bit too clear. You could almost see the skin tone. Yeah. So, all right, all right. We've established that. Okay.

We're in the corridor. Let's move on. Chell and Torres are walking and talking. And he's looking behind him very nervously. Like, he's just checking his six every second. It's like, what's going on? He's very paranoid. And Chell says his line is, it doesn't make any sense.

Yeah. This ship with all its sensors, how could five people being attacked without leaving a trace? Yeah. I literally stopped it. I'm like, yes. Yes. I'm with Chell on this. It doesn't make any sense. We have sensors. We have camera. I can look at the shadow and see that it's Tuvac. What is wrong? I'm going to make you a t-shirt that says Team Chell on it because you are all on Chell's. Yeah, you're on Team Chell. You're with him. But I still think the funniest moment in the scene is they walk up to a turbo lift. It opens up seven walks out and seven walks out a camera view. And Chell looks at seven walking away and says, could be her. And then the reaction on Roxanne's face, oh, please, it was the best. It was just sort of like, come on, really?

Stop doing this. And I just felt that she played it perfectly. She really did. It was a great expression. Briefing room. Briefing room. I think it's briefing room. It was kind of vague where it was.

I'm pretty sure it's a briefing room. That's where Tuvok is conducting the interviews with various crew members. We see a crewman who's sitting down who has just finished being interviewed. Tuvok says that'll be all, but please send in Mr. Kim. And I'm going to say right now that this interaction between myself and Tuvok. Yes. I hated it. Why?

What'd you hate about that? I'm curious because I had some thoughts about it as well, but I'm curious if we're on the same page. Just because I played it too seriously. Agreed. Way too seriously. So what I did was I let in my, because I think towards the end of the, you know, season, season six, season seven, I, my relationship with Tim Russ was very like, this is my older brother that I, that gets on my nerves.

Like, like we got on each other's nerves, I felt. Really? Or at least, yes. And so I think I took a lot of my own personal feelings towards Tim. Like, I don't have that towards him now. But at the time, I think I took some of that antagonism and threw that into this scene, where it should have been the tone that I should have played in this scene should have matched Roxanne and Chell

how Roxanne was like please this is not it's not seven of nine and I should have been like are you kidding me me? It's not me you know and it wasn't like that I was kind of angry and the tone was too serious

it should have been throw it away throw it away. Yeah I agree with you that's the note I had because he literally says your sarcasm could be viewed as subterfuge and I was like he's not sarcastic

he's pissed off yeah he's very defensive because when I say you know Oh, well, I should have taken my Captain Proton, Comatizer. I mean, it's funny. Captain Proton is a funny. I was like, oh, I guess I should have taken my Captain Proton.

You know, I took my comitizer and shot every single Machi. Pew, pew, pew. I should have did that, you know? Yeah. Because then it plays better. And it just to me. And I had so many close-ups in that scene. Yes.

Yes, you did. And what I noticed more than anything else was makeup department did not cover my mole. I had a mole. which I since had removed. It was at the top of my lip because we're watching it. And Megan was like, oh, nice pimple. And I'm like, I said, it wasn't a pimple. It was a mall.

And I remember they would cover it with a little bit of cover on makeup. But in that really extreme. And how often does Harry get an ECU? I mean, it's very rare that it's this tight on my face. Rick Colby. Colby. He loves it. He loves it.

My favorite thing in this scene was, Tuvok says to you. Yes, I was looking at your. communications, you got a letter from Dennis Kim. Dennis Kim is my manager in real life. My manager's name is Dennis Kim. Are you being serious? He got a letter from Dennis Kim.

Your real life manager's name is Dennis Kim. Dennis Kim, yeah. Yeah, he was my first director agent. In fact, I think I remember when you shot the scene, Dennis was, had just, I just gotten my director agent back. It was Dennis. He was an agent, now he's a manager. Yeah.

And I think I remember making this connection when we filmed it. I was like, yes, Kim, I love it. Did you, you did tell him. Does he know this? I'll have to. I think I have. Yeah, bring it up. Yeah.

That's funny. I mean, we should bring Dennis Kim, my manager, onto the podcast. On to the podcast. See what he says about it. That was my favorite part. Yeah, but yeah, I do feel like my performance needed to be much more layered. It was very one note. and I'm very, very, very, very embarrassed that I put in that type of thing.

But, you know, it happens. It worked on a different level. It worked on a different, in a different way. But I do agree with you. I would have loved to have seen the version that was just like, what are you talking about? Yeah, what are you talking about? Throw it away. And then also, there should have been concern at the end because at the end of that,

Tuvok, Tuvok gets, you know, he gets into this. Are you okay? Exactly. He's like, Tuvok, he starts drifting. He goes, he goes elsewhere. And that's when Harry, should have been like, are you kidding? It's not me. Tuvok? You know, are you? What's happening with you? I should have been there should have been more perplexed and also more care, some concern and care

about our tactical officer. This is the guy that's in charge of all of our weapons. It was hard to do that when you were so angry. Exactly. I had backed myself into a corner I couldn't get out of. I was so pissed off, so angry and so one note that it really did not have the nuances that it needed to pull off this scene. All right. Let's reshoot it. Let's reshoot it. Let me call Tim right now. Let's see what he's doing. All right. The doctor calls Tuvok and, yeah, says report to sickbay.

Immediately we go into sickbay and tapewards awake. Okay, not only is he awake, he's completely fine. It's just he's a little hungry. That's all he says, right? Yeah, he says, and Tuvok asked him, do you remember? He says, I don't know. I was alone in the holodeck. And the next day I woke up here.

Like, I don't remember anything. But the doctor does mention that his synaptic pathway stabilized on their own and that he did not need any type of, you know, anything to wake him up. He woke up on his own. He's totally fine. We're back in the corridors. Chakote is walking with a Vulcan ex-Maki crew member who, whose hair is very shiny. I just kept saying, that's really shiny hair.

Chikote and a former Vulcan ex-Machie crew member are walking the corridors. And they see Chelle. They catch up with Chelle, who is alone. and Chocote then admonishes Chelle for being alone without his partner. Yeah. And he says, who is your partner? And he's Torres. She told me that she can handle everything on her own.

She doesn't need any help or partnership. And then Chocote finds out that she is now in Cargo Bay 2. So he heads there. And he passes off the Vulcan crew member to be the partner with Chow and heads over to Cargo Bay 2, which is where he eventually finds Torres. unconscious against a wall in the corner. And that is when Tuvac appears out of thin air like David Copperfield and starts talking,

this is a holy time. And this is the red flag for Chukotay when he's realizing what? And as he's trying to go for his phaser, Chikote gets knocked back by this palm fist sort of punch that Tuvok says. They have a nice little hand-to-hand fight here. Yeah, a little really well done. But Tuvok ends up getting him in a hold and starts to mind meld with him. Yeah.

He says, let the mind awaken and focus on the task. My mind to your mind. My thoughts, your thoughts. So he passes this thing on to him. And it's very, very disturbing. Who is Tuvok? What's happening here? What's going on with Tuvok?

We go to space fly by. There's a captain's log supplemental. Jainway says, Chukotay and Balana are the latest victims of our mysterious assailant. And I've decided to put the ship. on a level 10 security alert. Non-essential personnel are combined to quarters and security teams are posted on all decks. Then we cut to a shot of two security crewmen

and walking down the hall with rifles at their hips. One really tall one and then one shorter one. Yeah, yeah. We go to Cargo Bay 2 and Janeway is in there looking, Tuvok's looking for evidence inside. Janeway thinks like maybe this is a ghost or something. too did he take a sample what do he do because he tells that one crewman to do a metallurgical analysis of this so i i don't know what he was gathering but clearly some type of evidence whatever

it was yeah and janeway comes over he said yeah janeway walks over yeah jane when comes over they talk uh janeway thinks is a ghost two vucks says maybe we should conduct a seance yeah kind of funny yeah but in the end janeway says look you need to get some sleep you've been up all Take a break, dude. Take a break. Take a break. Okay, so Tuvok goes to his quarters. Bice's meditation lamp, he kneels down.

I love the close, wide lens suddenly. He looks up at the ceiling in this David Livingston shot. And we have these flashbacks to some of these crewmen getting injured. We see Tabor in the cinema. You know, in the movie theater, we see Yosa in the Jeffries tube getting attacked, Chakote getting attacked. Yeah. Tuvok is like thrown by this.

He goes in the bathroom. Well, he stumbles to the, from the main part of Club Tuvok. He heads to the restrooms. Yeah. He goes to his bathroom. Yeah. Chucote hitting him. Yeah, the attack with Chikote.

And then he looks down, pulls his shirt up and he's got this huge bruise. I remember, oh, yeah, Chiquote was a boxer. Of course he's got a big bruise. Great. But before we get into the bathroom, before he shows a bruise, just want to say, so funny because, you know, he has a flashed. And he's starting to, he's overheating or whatever. So he takes off the top part of his uniform, which again, that is not how our uniforms

worked. Only for this scene, they gave him the two piece. And now he just has the undershirt and the black pants, which again, we don't wear it that way. But so he takes off his top layer, which has the com badge on it. Just want to note that here. Takes off and throws it on the floor, then goes into the bathroom with just a shirt on. And another con badge magically appears on his shirt?

Not yet, but soon. Okay, got it. Yeah, he's got his t-shirt. He looks at his bruise. There's a big bruise. And in the mirror, he sees the Bajoran from that teaser. Yes. He sees Tiro.

Who says, and Tiro says, your doubts. That's what he says. Not resistance is futile, but resist your doubts. Resist your doubts. And then Tupac turns around and Tiro's not there. Nobody. And so Tuvac is like, I got to get out of here.

Hot tails out. out the door and we go into the hall. This is where it magically appears. Oh, my God. He goes out of the hall in a T-shirt. Suddenly, he's got a Combatch on his T-shirt. I don't understand how he magically just has a Com-Badge, but he does. He got it.

Good catch, buddy. But he does hear the Bajoran voice. He didn't see the Bajoran, but he hears the Bajoran speaking to him. And Bajoran says, don't question your mission in his Bajoran-A-S-M-R way. Hollow movie house Is that where we're at? Yeah, we go in the Hall of Theater and Tuvac runs in.

Harry and Jane were in there. His shirt is untucked here. But he's got the comb badge on. It would have been better if he showed up and it was gone. It was on there during the corridors, but it disappears by the time he's in the movie house. Yeah.

Basically, Tuvok isolates the date of the image. And then he says, you know, what is the height of the assailant? What is the height of Tuvok? So he's basically saying, it's me. It's me. Did you do a calculation? I did not do a calculation. Okay. Just so you know, every time the seven years that we filmed this, we always use metric system because that's what the world uses, except for the America. But as Americans, I'm sure you were the same thing. Every

time we made any type of distance or a thing in metric, we were like, what? How? What is that exactly in feet and in inches? And I did it. I googled it. Tuvac is 182 centimeters, which is five foot 11, which is incorrect. He's taller than that. And I'm like, I'm like, Yes. I'm like, what are you guys doing? You know Tim Russ is taller than that. Is 6.2 or something. He's 6-1-6-2, definitely. I'm 1-8. I'm 5-11. I say 5-10 and a half, so I round up. So I'm really 182 or 181. And Tuvok is not. So that made me sad. I was like, how can you not mix that up? How can you mess that up? Right. But during this revelation that he comes upon, he does have a hallucination. He does see the Bajoran again. He pulls out his phaser, which makes Harry do the same thing.

And he hears the Bajoran saying, ignore your doubts. Pagtemva, Batane. Tuvok asks, who are you? The Bajoran disappears. Tuvok then proclaims to Jainwe that he is the guilty party. He is the one that has been attacking all the marquee. And Janeway asked, how is that even possible? He has no idea and tells Janeway that for the safety of the crew,

he must be confined to the brig immediately. And I just want to say, I like that Bajoran's phrase so much that maybe this can be our sort of secret thing that we say to all the other Voyager. Pogtemfar, Batonet. Yeah, like, I don't know. What happened is if we see someone else who's a Delta Flyer member, we say, Pogtemfar, and the other person responds, Batane. See what I'm saying?

So you said, yeah, yeah, it's like a secret code. Almost like how fraternities do that. We could do something like that. Yeah, but it's an evil phrase, though. I don't know if I like it for. How is it evil? But what does it mean? Awaken yourself.

Like it's just be awoke. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. It doesn't say like kill people, you know. I guess not, but Tuvac is killing people when he said. He is. He is. Or he's not killing him, but he's like, he's mind melding them into a coma.

Is it too edgy of a phrase to use, you think, in public to say that? I don't know, maybe. Yes, because somebody might go into, what if there's people that have been brainwashed and we accidentally trigger them into, it's like the Manchurian candidate here. So I don't know. It's a dangerous phrase. I wouldn't say it too much. So there's going to be secret.

Even this podcast, even this podcast, we're putting out a potentially dangerous phrase, Pogtime Farbuttony. I did it again. See? So there are a hidden pejorie. in cells all across the world that when they're listening to this podcast, they're going to go ahead and take out all the, uh, yeah, I think it's going to happen. You know, this podcast is powerful. It is. I will agree with you. Start a revolution. Uh, anyway, we go to the brig.

There's Tuvok meditating, Dr. Scanning him. Uh, doctor says to Janeway, um, he wants to speak with you, but please stay outside of this force field. Yeah. Janeway is very, you know, she begins what becomes a long conversation with him around the brig. Tuvok, can you hear me? He says that yes, but I hear another voice. What's that voice telling you? Tuvok says it's a Bajoran incantation. The voice is Bajoran.

He sees Tero standing right beside Janeway. And he realizes that this all started after a letter from his son in the last data stream. I think the most important thing from that brig is that he said, I reviewed every letter except my own. Except my own. Yeah. So we go to Sick Bay and Chocote's waking up. Alana's waking up to Tom is the nurse on duty.

But this is the big revelation that is Tuvok to the rest of the formerly comatose people, right? I love how she, as she may ask you, is he medically cleared to leave now, Mr. Paris, basically? Can he leave? And he's, Paris says, well, I don't see why not, but he should wear one of these. and he sticks a little cortical monitor onto two bucks. A little cortical monitor. In Chautay's neck, yeah. Yeah, onto Chacote.

I made a note that Tom is a very kind nurse. His very nice. Your bedside manner is good. Yes, his bedside manner is very good. I think he gets good Yelp reviews as a nurse here. So at the end of this scene is basically Janeway saying there's something I want to show you to Chacote. So, and it's basically the message from Tuvok's son, SEC is his name. And he's, you know, just, it's just a standard message about talking about studying and

school and this and yada, yada. We go into, this happens in astromatrix. That's right. Seven is there. They're looking at this letter. Seven says the signal was calibrated to correspond with Vulcan synaptic frequency. That's right. Tuvok wouldn't have been consciously aware of it.

Right. And we realize that there's a message buried in this letter from the sun. Yeah. And inside the son's message, suddenly, Tero, Tiro sort of fritzes in. And Chocote recognize him and says, it's Tiro, Tiroonitis. Most importantly, he was thrown out, though. Okay. So he was part of the marquee because he was thrown out because of this experimentation with mind control.

Because he thought this was a good way to recruit agents. basically by using this mind control. And the marquee, we're like, you know what? We're not going to be doing this anymore. You're a little bit too mumbo-jibou. You're too extreme for us. No, no. No voodoo here.

I'm sorry. We don't need voodoo. You're a fanatic and you can't be a part of it. Seven asks, seven's like, why is he, why would he try to contact Tuvok? And then we go back to the brig. And Tuvok's looking at the message on a pad from its sun and seeing this message from Tiro. And he says, I remember, I did meet Tiro once. before. We spoke briefly. He was interested in Vulcan culture. That's all I can remember.

And Janeway says, well, maybe that's all he wanted you to remember. That he was developing some kind of mind control. And suddenly, Tuvok has a flashback. He does remember this, you know, whatever Tiro did to him. Okay. Do you like the flashbacks when it goes into that sepia kind of tone, you know, where it looks? Yeah, I thought it was good. You okay with that? Yeah. Yeah. It was something that helped give it a little structure a little framework yeah a little framework yeah okay but Janeway Jamie says you know maybe maybe if we meditate together you can remember more of this maybe she can help guide him through the meditation yeah and I was like Janeway come on like you don't know about getting into like this is not your thing this is like saying I watched a couple

YouTube videos and I'm going to go build a nuclear bomb or something like no you leave this a professional yeah it would make more sense if i mean if kess was still on the ship she could have helped tuba go through this for sure but janeway i don't know if that's in her wheelhouse so yeah but she's like let me help you do this they take the force field down and she goes into the brig with with him there's a bit bit of a time cut and he is remembering now being strapped down on Tiro's lab bed. Yeah. All kinds of stuff on his face,

little blinking lights and everything. Yeah. And Tuvok says in this flashback that he's been trained to resist mind control. Yeah. And Tiro says, yes, that's the rational logical part of you, but I want to reach your inner fire, your spirit. And Tivok's like, no, no, no, please don't. And Tiro's shoved this like needle or something into his end.

Yeah, that looked very painful. But it's also interesting in that. the very beginning of the scene, Tiro is talking about, um, it is lieutenant, isn't it? I'm sure your marquee comrades would be, I'm making Tiro sound like Mr. Burns from Simpsons. It is lieutenant, isn't it? I'm sure your marquee comrades would be interested to know your Starfleet rank. So really, Tiro knew all along that Tupac was a double agent, but he kept it quiet because he felt this is perfect. This is exactly what I need. You know, I'm going to use you. as the catalyst for reawakening everyone else that's Samaki.

But also now, in hindsight, now you realize Tiro tweaked with everybody. Am I right? Is that what you get from this? Like he tweaked Chiquete's brain, Torres's brain, everyone's brain, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right.

I think so. It's not clear, but I think that's what I got out of it. He comes out of this vision. He's freaking out, shoves the captain. Yeah. But she says, don't shoot. and we go to astrometrics, Chiquotay's with seven. Tuvok uses his com badge, which he happened to have kept on his t-shirt,

to call Chakote. And, you know, if they hadn't cheated that com badge on his t-shirt, he wouldn't be able to do this right now. But he calls Chacote and says, Pogtem-Far-Bat-a-Bat-a-Tan-A. And then Chiquet turns and says, I understand and heads out. Should we have a Pog-Tim-Far-Bat-A shirt?

Maybe. maybe okay just check it could start a whole rebellion though i don't know it's this we don't want to play with it don't be it's not like a liegee board come on all right where are we janeway is back in the break she wants to know what does this mean poctum far barone um matoni and uh tuvac says it's a time of awakening it's a holy time yeah and then we see tyro again he says focus on your instructions so we go out in the hall chukote is on a mission we go to sick bay the doctor and tom are working there's, there's an alert to the doctor from Chakotay's cortical monitor. And just as the doctor says, you know, where is, ask the computer, where is Chacote,

Chacote walks in and says, I'm in sickbay. No, he doesn't say, the computer says, commander Chakotay is in sick pay. As he's walking in, all he says is, computer, deactivate the EMH. That's what it is. And then he, and then you go, commander? And then you get shot. did you like your reaction I did I read good

you always have very like yeah you do that you do that good I you sound like you're being hurt good job dying or getting shocked yeah Tom gets shot

um balana wakes up and uh Chikote says pogged him far batonita her she says I understand and go yeah did you notice by the way when she woke up from her coma

she had less makeup one than normal I did not notice that. Interesting. They played her a little more like, oh, she really has been in, which I thought was a nice little deal. Yeah, and that's a nice touch. We got into the hallway, Belon and Chucote are with the maquis. They've got weapons.

Chukotay goes into the turbo lift. We go back to Janeway. In the brig. Wait, with Tuvok. In the brig. And she's like, stay focused on me. So Tiro says, complete your mission. Puckton for Batane.

And Tuvac goes, you don't control me. He screams that. He screamed. Yeah. Janeway still doesn't understand what's happening because she says in the beginning of the scene in the brig, why were you using mind melds? Like what did Tira want? Like, what does he want you to do? She's still trying to.

And Tuvok's like to waken the others. That's it. We go to the bridge. Chikote walks in and Harry stands up and he says, good to see you, commander. And Chikote says, it's good to be back and shoots Harry. Just shoots him. I think I reacted fairly well to that shot. Yeah, it was great.

It's very shocking. All right. Basically, they just take over the bridge. Yeah, they take over the bridge. Everyone gets shot. We're back in the brig. Red alert is sounding. Janeway is hailing.

She goes, Janeway to Bridge report. And there is nothing. Nothing. We go to engineering, I think, next, right? Torres in the marquee come in the door. And they are shooting us. They're just shooting everybody. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So Torres in her Maki outfit and other Maki's start taking over engineering. We go to the hallway and Janeway is walking down the hallway and suddenly with someone and suddenly they're shot from behind. Yeah. They're ruthless. Yeah. And Chikote says he's taking over control of the ship. Yeah.

Well, I just love her reaction. What the hell are you doing? And he's like, I think it's obvious. I'm taking control of your ship. So all the Starfleet personnel will be locked in their quarters within the hour and he puts Janeway in the brig. Janeway does say like, you know, she knows something's going on. She's like, what did Tiro do to you?

And Chikotay says, well, he simply helped us remember who we are. We're makki. And Jainway is like, wait a minute. You know the rebellion ended three years ago. And Chikotas is like, well, in the Alpha Quadrant, but not on this ship. So I like that writing. so everything is secure the whole rebellion happens and it happens it goes off without a hitch because who's going to expect to be shot by your fellow crewmate right so you're not going to get

that done janeway's now in the brig and she's just like saying this doesn't make any sense like there's nothing there's nothing that you're going to gain from this rebellion basically you know i mean we're we're we're still year light years away from earth and anyone in this quadrant has no clue or no understanding of the maquis and, you know, rebellion. They don't even know what the maquis are. And, you know, Janeway's trying to tell Chacote that Tiro is the one that's been influencing you. Brainwashing them.

Yeah. It's funny because Tuvac kind of changes sides a little bit here, right? Well, they switch places. Yeah. When Chacote puts Janeway in the brig, there's a moment where Tuvok starts to step out in their trading places. Before he steps out, he looks at Jokote and says, your orders captain, and that's when he steps out after that,

because Chocote says, take your station, and that he walks out, right? We have a captain's log from Chakotay. Now, this is probably the only time that we have a Chocote captain's log in the entire seven years. And he says, Voyager is now under his command. They're en route to an M-class planet where they will basically drop off all the Starfleet crew members. and let them go

and live their life on some M-class planet M-class planet and the Delta Broadroom this is not this is this sounds bad to me this bad plan it sounds like what the K's on

do to us so all right we go on the bridge and all the maquis you're now running the bridge George wearing marquee stuff now nobody's wearing Starfleet

any longer yeah and Jor is driving the ship George's driving she's sitting in my chair what the heck Bala comes down George says

we're in range and tourists says, yeah, it looks like a nice place for a federation colony, take us into orbit. And Chocote calls Tuvac to go to the ready room. Yeah. I said, come on. I just got to talk to you about something really quickly. I just want to talk about breakfast or lunch or whatever.

We go in and Chocote offers a drink to celebrate. A Vulcan brandy. Yeah. It was very nice. Different thing Janeway is coffee. Chacote likes to drink brandy in there. Exactly. And also what's different is we have Ayala standing guard there to make sure no funny business happens.

But that is also a little bit of a red flag to cue you to knowing that something is up. Something's up. Basically, Chikote says, you know, you were a double agent before. You know, I don't trust you. Yeah. And I need you to prove your loyalty. So the door opens. They bring Janeway in.

Chikote says, killer. And so you think. This phaser is set to kill. Here we go. kill the job yeah and Tuvok thinks and looks and then he try he does ultimately raise the phaser up yeah it's the button but it kind of stutters it kind of yeah but but Janeway has but before this happens we must say Janeway is talking she's not just taking it she's like this is this is this is this is Tiro controlling you uh you said you weren't going to hurt anybody you know

you're in control of your actions toovac don't don't do this you know please don't do this and of course he does shoot her or tries to shoot her or he pushes the button yeah fritzes out yeah fritzes out and tuvac goes hmm defective yeah so so chukote says you passed you passed you you were willing to kill her it appears right and uh yala leaves ialla leaves and the minute chikote turns his back and he starts talking about tactical issues to review that's when tuvac jumps and makes his move he neck Pinches him to unconsciousness, correct? And then mind melds him to give him the correct information to get him out of this crazy, you know, espionage secret cell thing.

Yeah, this brainwashing thing that's happening. And Chikotay gets back on the bridge with Tuvok. And this is when... I love Taurus. She says, Torres is, as I walk back again, she goes, Kim and Paris engineered a little breakout on deck six. We've contained them all behind a force field. I just laughed about the breakout.

scene with uh harry but my note on that was just that she was completely emotionless when she said that like she doesn't give a poop about you any longer yeah no care no concern for tom paris her true love or harry kim her best friend and just talks about us like we're the keystone cops kim and paris engineered a little breakout whatever that is and then just you know just down talks us a little bit so it was funny but also it's sad it's sad yeah it was like what this is not the tour she's she's brainwashed she is brainwashed she is brainwashed um but chukotay says to her you know this planet that we were going to put them on it's no good we can't do it yeah and tour says what are you talking about yeah it seems fine

yeah and he says yeah we're going to have to scan it some more she goes we can scan from the bridge right here and you can feel kind of something something's happening yeah yeah she reaches to grab her weapon and Chukote points the phaser at her. Tuvac draws and she is ordered to stand and down. So we realize Chakotay is back on the right side of things. Tuvac has turned him back. We go to the brig. Chukotay frees the captain here. We learn that another mine melt from Tuvok fix him. When he says, Chikote says, I thought you might like your ship back. The look on Chainway's face. Oh, yes. Before she says, no, more rebellion because she's, oh, my God, it's priceless.

It's some of the best acting from Kate Mulgrew right there because she's restraining herself as much as she can. And in that line, when she says no more rebellion, it was perfect the way she said it. Yeah. It was a loaded death. Oh, my God was there. Yes. But she is free and she has her ship back.

We go out in the hallway, Tuvok and Chiquette. walking down the hall. Tuvok's got a pad. Chucote says you're ready for the attack of the lobster people? Yeah. Which we assume. Yeah, Chikote says that.

Chikote says that and Tchukotay says, well, I haven't finished my rounds. Chikote grabs the pad up. Well, actually, he says, I'm not familiar with that species because he doesn't know if the lobster people are real or not. Right. Right. But he hasn't completed his rounds. And Chikote just grabs his pad from him.

He says, well, you've completed them now. So you're done. You're done now. They go inside the theater. We're back at the movie theater on the holodeck. Yeah. Full House this time. Neelix offers some popcorn buttered or unbuttered.

And my first thought is like, why would you even offer unbuttered popcorn? Like, of course, buttered, always buttered. Well, Robbie, there's some people who don't want butter. But you know what's so funny. I typically say unbuttered because I don't want the extra butter. But I always feel like there's still butter in the unbuttered as well. It's never clearly no butter. buttered and then add more butter do you really wow i love buttered popcorn so oh my gosh yeah

i'm gonna call you butter mcneal butter butter yeah butters um janeway says janeway says to vok he sits down and uh janeway says how did you know that that phaser wasn't charged and two bucks says well chukote doubted my loyalty he wouldn't have given me an active weapon yeah and jane was like not exactly ironclad logic um two bucks call it a hunch and i'm just wondering robbie do you think hunch translates into italian german spanish french is there is there a word for hunch maybe maybe not i don't know so um but i will say this in that scene that that establishing shot where shows everybody the wide shot i turn around to you after i sit down with random person and i kind of i kind of i kind of you or do something. I turn around to you and you don't react to me at all. And I'm like,

what the? And then I started making me remember that. I, because I chose that consciously. I was like, okay, I'm going to sit down, but I'm going to turn to my buddy and sort of razz him a little bit. And I kind of feel like I remember that happening, filming that, and I remember thinking, why is it not me playing with me on this one? I don't remember that at all. Just like, okay. I was probably like, are we done the scene? Can we got to get out of here? Please.

Come on, Robbie. You're the one that needs to go. Yeah. Yes, I get it. I get it. But I was wondering what happened that you don't. I did like Torres at the end when Tuvac and Janeway were talking. She between them goes from behind.

Yeah, she shushes them. Yeah. And they put them in 3D glasses. And that's a shot. I love that shot of Tuvac and Janeway sitting there with the 3D glasses on. It's such a great shot. Yeah. end of episode yeah what's your lesson do you have a lesson from this overall thing this was a

hard one for me it was uh was not my favorite episode i will say um i guess the lesson to me is trust your true nature that hunches or your gut is stronger than any kind of brainwashing or outside voices that you know trust yourself that's the that's the lesson for me what about you it was also hard for me i mean my most obvious thing was if you were around a loved one or a friend who seems to be acting very bizarre, maybe they are a victim of mind control. So be a little generous and be a little compassionate, empathetic on that one.

I mean, it's clearly a ridiculous lesson, but it was also difficult for me to figure out. But I did like this episode, though, much more than you did, much more. I thought I like the dialogue. There were some great moments there. And just small little details,

like stepping on the gum inside there. Putting that in there I enjoyed the little tiny nuances I felt like the biggest the weakest link was my scene with Tuvac of this entire episode I think that changed it for me and I know you disagree with that

but overall I really really enjoyed this episode Well what is your rating first? My rating is going to be I'm going to give it an 8.5 so I'm going to push it up there You just keep me the emoji the shocked emoji face. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's where I stand on this one. I like the retro side of it with a

movie house. I like the who done it. It's like a little, you know, it's a little mystery going on. I mean, there's so many elements going on that it kept me engaged and entertained and you name it. I liked it. I'm going to give it a 5.9. Wait, did you change that from, because I was so high. You try to go closer to me? Okay. No. No, I was 5.9, always. All right, fine. 5.9 is my rating just because I just didn't fundamentally buy that they couldn't solve who is. Like, there needed to be an answer to that.

So if the displaced photons were really murky and fuzzy and you couldn't make out that it was Tuvok, would you have bought into it more then? I think if every time someone was attacked that, that, you know, Tuvok was doing. something to the ship to hide his trail, yeah, maybe I would have bought it more. It needed something more. It was just a little too simplistic for me, this story. All right. 5.9. 5.9. Okay. Our Admirals and captains and admirals average rating for repression is 7.2. You had a pause when you went. The average rating is you went for the episode. like I thought you were saying it was four point something seven point two so kind of almost right in the middle of you and I between you and me yeah so there's some

people who love this episode and there's some people who think this episode is not the best I feel like this would be a very divided up I don't think there's going to be a lot of people in the middle I think that seven point two is high numbers and low numbers yeah it would be my guess yeah all right there you go there we have it Crime solved. Crime solved. We know who it is. Okay.

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