The Delta Flyers - Resistance

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Resistance. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Resistance:Janeway is forced to rely on her own devices when Torres and Tuvok are captured by the Mokra during an away mission searching for tellerium.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise, and Rebecca Jayne, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Peter Patch, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Daniel Adam, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Shannyn Bourke, Holly Smith, and Jesse NoriegaAnd our Producers: Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Deborah Schander, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Gay Kleven-Lundstrom, Gregory Kinstetter, Laura Swanson, Máia W, Luz R, Charity Ponton, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Katie Johnson, Craig Sweaton, Ryan Hammond, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Katherine Puterbaugh, Claire Deans, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Cutler, Crystal Komenda, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Oliver Campbell, Anna Post, Evette Rowley, Robert Hess, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Nathan Butler, Terry Lee Hammons, Andrei Dunca, James Keel, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, and Mark G Hamilton Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry, as we re-watch and recap episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are none other than myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a patron at patreon.com forward slash the delta flyers. Robbie, what's up? Garrett, what's up? Look at you and your cool background. Yes, today I have the slightly childlike space animation world, I guess. Yeah.

As Megan said, it's sort of space jammy is what it's like. Space jammy. Yeah, it looks like space jammy. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Mine's just a whole, just. There's a nebula.

You need some coffee. That's why you've got a net. It's a nebula behind you. This is my, is there copy in that nebula background. Exactly. Everyone listening is like, what are they talking about? But that's okay. That's all right.

We have, you know, I, I just want to say, like, you know, we had a busy weekend with the Delta Flyers. We've had some really interesting interviews that are part of our, you know, our bonus content that we offer up on our Patreon site. We've, we've had some great discussions with our Admiral-level patrons and, you know, and, you And some really, really deep group chats there. It's just been, you know, because I'm working now during the week, we're squeezing a lot into the weekends.

But it's been a really exciting kind of trek conversation this weekend that you and I have been able to have. Both, yeah, both of them have been really fun. Both the Admiral meeting, we've had the Zoom calls. Speaking of, we were talking about deep issues, we also, oh, a deep dive. We need to record. We haven't done that either. Yeah, yeah.

That has to be done before the end of this month. There's a lot. But what I love about what's happening is there's a lot of activity with the Delta Flyers that this platform that we sort of started out in the COVID shutdown is sort of, hey, let's do a little podcast. It's turned into a community and a conversation and a platform for people to really get involved with each other and a place to go. So that's exciting.

It's been really fun. This weekend, definitely I felt it. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, and we have those platforms, the Facebook private group. We have the Discord private group. So those are things that the patrons are able to interact with each other. And really, it's become something that everyone's been looking forward to and really relishing the fact that they have a place to go and talk track.

Yeah, yeah. It's been fun. It's been a lot of fun. I'm excited. All right. So this week's episode is resistance. Resistence. Resistance.

Resistance. Resistance. Resistance. Okay. So let's go watch this episode and let's come back and give everyone our two cents on resistance. Let's do that. I'm excited to watch it. Me too.

I'll see you after. Okay. All right, guys, we are back from watching. Resistance. The resistance. The resistance. That was a great episode. And I know I loved that episode.

I really did. You're not just saying that, are you? I'm not just saying that. I know people lately are like, oh, now you just love every episode. No, I'm being honest. I really love this episode. I thought Joel Gray was so good. I thought Kate was so good.

I thought the script was really well crafted. I thought Rick Colby did a beautiful job directing, as usual. It was very dynamic storytelling with a camera, good angles, just attention to detail. I thought it was great. I really did. I like this episode. Okay. Did you come up with a limerick?

I did. I did. You know, it's my... Your synopsis limerick. My synopsis limerick. Okay, here we go. Here's my synopsis limerick. Voyager needed some fuel.

The planet that had some was cruel. Janeway met Joel Gray and together they saved the day and Janeway kept the family jewels. Nice. There you go. That's my limerick. I just had to work family jewels in there somewhere. Yeah, I like it.

I like it. I feel like we're on the same wavelength because my haiku, here's my haiku. Here we go. Okay. Need to Lerium. Crew held. in Mochran prison. Joel Gray saves the day.

We're totally in the same way. In the same wavelength. We used Joel Gray saving the day. In Tellerium, you needed some fuel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Story by Michael Jan Friedman and Kevin J. Ryan teleplay by Lisa Klink. This is, I think, her first teleplay.

I think it is. Yeah, of all the entire run of Voyager, right? I think so. This is the first time that she's had a shot at writing the teleplay. yeah good work by Lisa directed by Rick Colby too yeah I thought Rick did a great job I thought Lisa did a great job

yeah really good really good episode all around and I think you did notice in the very beginning Neelix is wearing his edgy fur coat that you love so much God yes yes I mean why doesn't he look like that the whole time I love that fur coat

look on him I love and and the art, whatever he was wearing underneath. They put him in that because he's back to his original concept, which is the, you know, the black market wheeler dealer. And so he's got contacts all over and he's found somebody that'll make a trade with them. Like, that's one reason I thought this episode works so well is that every character was, was fitting into their concept, their original concept so well. It felt it felt like we were back to kind of the pilot level, acting, directing, writing, all of that really fell together. Yeah.

Now, we did talk about this a little bit in the what do we remember, extra bonus material. We spoke a little bit about Joel Gray. So, yes, Joel Gray is probably the most renowned guest star at this point in the Voyager run. Yeah, I think we've had. Yeah, I think he was. Yes, and I do remember that Joel is a personal friend of Cape Mulgrew and that she did have something to do with his hiring for this particular role. I think they did a movie.

They did a movie. I want to say it was Rima Williams. It was like an action movie or something, right? Yes. Yeah, they remembered that. First and foremost, what I did not put two and two together is that Joel Gray, is the father of Jennifer Gray, Dirty Dancing and Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I didn't realize that.

I'm like, oh, that's her dad. But yes, the connection that Kate had with Joel was from the 1985 film, Rimo Williams, The Adventure Begins, which I enjoyed that movie, but I think it's the last time that somebody Caucasian played Asian. And it was Joel Gray's character that was doing that. And so that, I remember, I kind of took offense to his being there on the set, to be honest, because not that I don't respect him for his body of work and what he's done and for his talent, but I don't, but I definitely have issues with the fact that he took a role where he

completely appropriated my, you know, my background being Asian because he plays a Korean martial arts master in there. And they taped his eyes back. And I thought really, you know, the end of that was Charlie Chan and Curse of the Dragon Queen. That movie was 1981, Peter Ustinov, Ustinov or Ustinov, played Charlie Chan, Ustinov, yeah. So, you know, and let's face it, if you had any white actors in Blackface in the 80s, they would have been picketed.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Nobody, white tried to play black in the 80s, but yet there's still white actors playing Asian actors in the 80s. That's really... It's horrible, man. surprising to me. I didn't see Remo Williams. I remember the movie was not a big success, is I recall? I think it was a bit of a disappointment. Well, it's more of a cult favorite. I mean,

I think there's a different, and like I said, I like the movie. I do. I just think that if the producers and the directors looked hard enough, they could have found an Asian man to play that role. They didn't have to have a white guy, right? So right off the bat, I really had some reservations and it reminded me of how I felt when I saw Joel Gray's name on the call sheet, which was like, oh, that's cool. Oh, yeah, he also played Asian, you know, so it's kind of that bugged me quite a bit, to be perfectly honest. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you at all. You know, I don't envy the Voyager writers for having to come up with new names of races almost every week. Right. Right. Like this, this, uh, the, you know,

The alien of the week are the Mokra, which sounds so close to Oprah and so close to Okra, the food that you eat. Which I love, by the way. I'm a big Okra fan. Fried Okra. I love fried okra. Yes. I do too.

Very southern dish. You don't find that outside the South, really. But I, you know, I just keep thinking, man, those writers are sitting around going, okay, we need another alien. And it's like, what could we think of? What are you eating over there? Fried Okra? How about the Mokra?

I almost wonder if that's how that came up. They came up with that. I would like to say that I know the title of this episode is resistance, but I would also rename it distraction. Really? Yes, because I'll be perfectly honest with you. When we see the third magistrate augres of the Mokra order for the first time on the view screen when he's talking to Chakotay.

Yes. that little piece of prosthetic that's placed on his nose oh yeah the first time i looked at it all i could think of it looks like female anatomy it looks like a part of female anatomy just distracted the whole episode yes it looked just like what rhymes with chivalrous is what that looked like to me okay or blitterous blitterous chivalrous whatever you want to environment with that's what it looked like he had a thing on his nose in that particular light.

Now as you continue watching the episode from certain camera angles You realize it's not a bliteress. It looks different on other people. Like on Joel Gray from some angles, that little nose thing looks like a fingernail. Then from when they shoot from below up towards the actor, then it looks like another set of nostrils, you know?

It did, yes. So Robbie, for the whole episode. But you thought it was obliterous. I thought it was a bliteress, and I kept looking at it going, geez, and I, you know what's so crazy? I kept rewinding scenes because I wasn't listening to any of the dialogue. I was staring at the bliteress, and it really bugged the crap out of me. And then if it wasn't staring at that, then I'm staring at that funky, large green Lego Play-Doh. I know.

Bandage. It almost looked like it was glowing in the dark, that bandage. Is that a glow-stick bandage? I thought it was a glow-stick, yeah. And I'm so, I'm so distracted for this whole episode steering at that bandage from the phaser wound. And then augurus's blitterous, you know, prosthetic on his nose. I mean, did you, did you feel that way, too? I did not.

I did not. I did not. Okay. Because we have there, this is not the first time that we'll see that. Not only just in prosthetics on alien faces, but also wall, uh, wall, uh, wall, uh, All sconces, lighting features in alien sets will tend to resemble either phallus or vagina keeps coming up over and over again. And I don't know what's happened.

Or maybe that's your mind. Maybe. Maybe it's all in your mind. Maybe everything to you looks like. You never, you didn't think blitterous at all. I don't know if I did. Come on. I probably did.

But like you said, I think of that. I think of bliterous a lot of times on. alien makeups because it looks that way all the time. So I'm kind of bored with it. You've moved on. You've just accepted it. Okay, all right. By the way, I just want to say, like, in that first scene in engineering,

which was shot beautifully, I thought Rick Colby coming off the warp cord, I'm flying Chocote, then you're working hard in there. Yes. And Harry saves the day. You had a lot to do in this episode. I was surprised that you didn't remember this episode because you actually had a lot to do. Yeah. And I honestly don't even remember shooting those scenes, you know. Yeah, you were and Harry saved the day. But this, this is also an episode where Paris saves the day. Later, you decide

you're going to. Yeah, he offers to sacrifice himself. But you did, what's so weird is that? You didn't even ask for permission from Commander Chikote. You just kind of said, hey, I'm going to go do this. You know, it's interesting that you say that because I didn't see it that way. But you gave an order at one point. Harry Kim gives an order to change location. Do you remember that? I say this to who? On the bridge. We're jumping way to the end of the episode. But when they're firing the cannons.

Yeah. And you say, move us to coordinates, change to coordinates. And then Chikote turns around and says, where are we going, Ensign or something? Oh, my God. You gave a command. Let's change. You just, look at that. You threw it out there.

I was very surprised. I was like, wait a minute, you didn't, Harry didn't ask Chikote. Yeah. You know, commander, I recommend we move to blah, blah, blah, blah. You didn't say that. Wow. So really said, do it. I just do it.

You know, so then now the title to me, instead of resistance, it could be maverick because both Harris and Kim go maverick in this episode. No asking of permission. No, we're just doing whatever we want. All right. So you get the warp engine back online, but we need some fuel. We need some of that stuff. Yeah.

That fuel, by the way, it just looked like the stuff like, I don't know. What did you think? stuff looked like. I don't know. It looked like a mix of mustard and mayonnaise together. Yeah, something like that. Something like that. Or it looked like the, what you would give the, the, do you remember alien, was

Alien Nation, the movie, or the, or the, it was Mandy Patinkin playing the alien cop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They would, they would have to, they would have to take this, at least the alien race, the worker race would have to take this stuff that this this I don't know what it was but they would they would um the way they got the where they came from the master race would give them this substance and it was kind of like a drug basically for them to keep working you know kind of like how the gem had are in D-space nine also need some type of a pick me up to keep going yeah yeah and it looked that it would kind of look like that interesting maybe it was kind of maybe they're these aliens are the

The blitterous aliens are connected to the alienation aliens. The blitterous aliens. The Mochruns. Okay. Right. So Janeway, by the way, I was surprised that they didn't feature Joel Gray in that teaser. He just comes through like a body. He just like does a tackle.

You know, runs in and does a quick tackle. And you don't even see what happens. It's all very blurry. And you don't know. And you don't know that Joel. Gray is going to be the guest star like it's funny I was surprised honestly if I were directing that episode in my mind Joel Gray appears at the last moment you know does a little tackle yeah Dave's Janeway I would have had a close up of Joel Gray yeah he that would have been one of

the last things you see and then you know so everybody in the audience knows oh Joel Gray's coming in and he's going to save the day he's going to get involved you think Rick Colby actually shot Joel's coverage for that beginning scene, but somehow it may be the, did maybe get exposed correctly, the film stock or something like that because, yeah, it's very odd. Yeah, it's odd that you don't know who it is. There's no single, there's nothing. You don't even see the tackle. You hear the voicing, like, leave her alone or something. You hear Joel's voice, but that was almost like an afterthought. Like an afterthought. Yeah, I thought it was very. And if it weren't Joel Gray, I wouldn't expect big coverage or a shot, but it's Joel Gray.

Yeah, yeah. And it's the first time on screen. But maybe that was a choice. Maybe he wasn't, Robbie, maybe he wasn't available. Maybe he could only give certain amount of days. And the day that they'd shot that scene, he couldn't do it. Yeah, sometimes they'd put a stunt double in there, you know, on his back or something. Yeah, that's true.

Possibly. I found that it was interesting to see Tuvac and Torres being paired together in scenes. That's a combo that you don't see. You don't see that very often, no. Even though both their character names begin with T. So there is some commonality there. But other than that, you don't see them that often. Well, it was nice to see the Klingon in Boulana, you know, really pacing around her

anger and frustration. And I think Tuvok and Boulon are a great pairing because they're the odd couple. They're so different in terms of her. she can't control her emotions. That's, you know what I mean? And he can't reveal any emotions. It's a great pairing. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

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Taxes and fees extra. See MintMobile for details. Yeah, the other thing I know. noticed was when we do finally see Joel Gray's face and we kind of pan across his court his room his apartment or whatever and he's he's singing a song could you tell what that song was he was kind of like singing to himself oh and first of all I thought is that Joel gray or is that some child because it was a very kind of a higher pitched yeah it sounds like a kid's nursery rhyme thing yeah see I almost felt that that that wasn't Joel Gray but

that was Joel Gray's memory of his daughter singing that song. Oh, interesting. His daughter who's no longer, you know, alive. Yeah. We don't know that she's no longer alive at that point. But I thought maybe that's his daughter or memory of his daughter as a child singing a child nursery rhyme because it never, there was no, you know, there's no coverage on Joel with his mouth. No, it just sort of panned across. You heard him singing, you know, couldn't even really make it out.

And then you find Janeway. I thought one thing I did notice early on is this whole episode had a dark. about it. It was very dark. Like at one point, I think, in engineering, you and Chocote come forward into this 50-50, you're facing each other. And it's just shadow. It's a silhouette. There's no coverage. There's no, you know, it's a very dark episode. And I wonder if that was a choice. I know that, you know, we were talking with Ben Robinson recently about Michael Pillar's desire to have Voyager be a much edgier show, to be a darker. darker stories and, you know, darker story-wise and characters that are flawed and darker

in some ways. I wonder if literally that was sort of being pushed in this episode a little bit because it had darker qualities to the story, the resistance, the oppressive, you know, militant sort of race, the, yeah, just all of it sort of hiding and the resistance, all of that stuff. I wonder if they said, like, darken things, let it be in shadow, because it was very dark very shadowy. Yeah, compared to what we're used to, right? Definitely. And I made a note that I said the look and the tone of the scenes on the Mochran planet

remind me of the sets used for the Mars colony in the film Total Recall with Schwarzenegger. Like when they were on Mars, that sort of kind of darker, dingier marketplace with some neon going on. And that same kind of look was also evident in this episode. So I did see that for sure. did it bother you when Tuvok and Torres are being questioned by the magistrate and then Taurus sort of gets angry and so then she ends up threatening the armed Mokron guard with her elbow she's like I'm gonna give you an elbow like did that bother you at all no I didn't notice that okay because if I was directing that particular scene I think that I would have had

it would have made more sense for Torres to sort of like tackle, like run and tackle that guard up against the wall. All she did was get up from where she was at and stick her elbow to her. Look at my elbow. Look at my Klingon elbow. Respect the elbow was kind of, you know, what it was. And I thought that's not very realistic.

I would have liked to see her just totally gang tackle this guy in the midsection and knock him up against the bulkhead in that prison scene. And that would have been more like, whoa, you know. So that's something I noticed. Yeah, I did notice that the Tuvok, again, what was the other episode? Was it Coldfire or where he was boiled alive or something? Yeah, that's cold fire.

He started looking like Michael Jackson in the Thriller video. Yeah, and now he's getting tortured. Like Tuvok, he's having a rough couple of episodes. Like, poor guy. That's true. His insides are being liquefied in the past episode, a couple episodes ago. and then now, look at him. He's getting tortured, like, he's having a rough time.

He's having a rough, rough time. I just made a note I thought Joel Gray is so good in this episode. I love his acting. It's a very empathetic character. But from the moment it started, I was really, you know, my heart was with this character and this, you know, the more that was revealed about him. Yeah.

And why he was sort of haunted. and made crazy, you know. He sort of has driven him, his shame and his guilt and all of that that came out has sort of turned him into this town crazy. And, you know, at first, Janeway, you know, the way that Kate played these scenes, you know, she was irritated and sort of dismissive,

and then slowly she started getting more and more drawn into who this man really was, the more she had to know him. I thought it was all played really beautifully. And the chemistry between Kate and Joel Gray was phenomenal as actors. I thought it was great. I would like to look into my stack of scripts to see if I can find this script. Because I want to know how it was scripted that scene in the marketplace where Joel comes out and does his little, I'm crazy kind of thing.

I just, I'm curious how they, how it was written. I wonder how it was, I wonder if it was just a simple little, you know, he comes out and clowns around and Joel Gray made all that up. Did that whole thing up, yeah. That would be my guess. That would be, honestly, that would be my guess. I doubt that they had it all scripted out in detail. My guess is that felt so organic to Joel Gray. But the argument for the scripted out part would have to be at the end when the magistrate finds the, for some reason, there's a melon that's just carved out.

Honeydew. Yeah. And like how many people, how many people sell melons and leave one melon half cut and already scooped out sitting there for sale? I mean, that, that to me was like, maybe it was scripted because they use that honeydew melon as a hat. Maybe, but they, you know, it might have, it might have said in this, often what, what scripts will say in things, in situations like that, a script might say, you know, the magistrate

grab some, you know, fruit off the, off the market table and sticks it on his head or something and they don't know what fruit and then as you start to plan the shooting you say well what kind of fruit I don't know what would a pineapple would look funny but how would we make that fit well yeah what about a big melon that's carved out you know you sort of right you find your way to the solution but it's often the script just gives a suggestion of of something but yeah that'd be interesting to see how it was described and and what is business like the bread going into his mouth you know yeah was that described that he's stuff some bread into his mouth. I don't know. Maybe it was scripted. Yeah. I think my hair looks really

stiff in this episode. Like there's so much hair spray in it. I mean, I kept looking at, again, I'm distracted by the band-aid, by the blitteress, by my hair being really hard-looking. I did not notice that. I did not notice that. You're not catching any of that stuff. Okay. That's all right. I was really, I got to be honest, and I know some people are saying that I'm just being too easy on episodes lately, but I love this episode. I thought it was very well acted. I thought it was well written, well directed. I really did. We've got some good episodes now. There was a while there where we had some stinkers. We had some pretty stinky stinkers. All right. Well, I'll be honest. This is not my favorite episode partially because of my bias against what Joel

Gray's past resume did. And I know that's not fair, but it's not, it's truly not my favorite episode. Okay, that's fair. I know you like it. Yeah. That's fair. Nice, uh, random appearance by Glenn Morshauer. Yes, I noticed that too. He's, he's doing an under five practically.

And I'm like, why is he doing that? I know. And I saw him recently at the, um, uh, Las Vegas, Star Trek convention, uh, in August of last year. That was the last time they had it. He was there for that. And, um, whoever was assisting him. was telling me how he has an affinity for craps and you know how much I love the game of crap.

So Glenn and I actually met up at the craps table later at one night. We played a little quick session. He's a good, I've worked with him a couple of times. I directed him a couple of times. I directed him just last year on an episode of The Resident, the Fox Medical Show. Yeah.

And he and I talked a lot because I had an acting studio in Atlanta. I had started. You came down there and we did a class. Glenn has an acting studio in Dallas where he lives. Oh. Yeah, he teaches in Dallas and he also teaches a class in L.A. So I think he commutes or something. Really?

Once a week he goes. But yeah, we were talking about, you know, teaching. And he's a very popular acting teacher these days. And that's a big part of his, you know, how he, He spends his time. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah.

I love Glenn. He's a very talented actor. For me, the role that sticks out the most for Glenn Moore Shower that I, from his resume, would have to be his role as the Secret Service agent on 24 that protected the president. And he just, you know, he did that so well. Yeah. And the fact that he's actually teaching wonderful. We know more good teachers out there, people that have resumes and that can.

teach yeah i thought when chikote and the in the mokra officer meet in the briefing room i liked the little detail when he insulted neelix you know he said something about well stories about your ship you know we've heard that you guys are causing trouble wherever you go and i can see you're hanging out with these kind of unseemly people or whatever however he put it and i love that i just love you know knowing more about talaxians and neelix and who he is i don't know why i feel like I want to defend that backstory of who he used to be, the kind of scrappy, you know, black market, you know, trader, you know, knowing all the unsavory characters.

I just think that's a real side of Neelix that was lost. And I love that they, I also love that people are talking about Voyager in the Delta Quadrant. Like, oh, yeah, we've heard about you guys. I feel like that's starting to happen in multiple episodes lately. There's, you know, everywhere we go, people are saying, oh you guys are trouble we've heard about you you know your fascination with neelix i think you should pitch cbs the neelix chronicles the neelix chronicles get his like backstory a little bit um and then at the end i really i thought it was so bizarre that the magistrate is like we have 85

phased ion cannons targeted at your ship and i was like wow what a random number but also So 85 is the year that Rimo Williams came out. And I thought, is this, what's happening? Is this the universe constantly just taking a dagger and going, and remember this? You're looking for connections. Like, that's how the human brain works. We look for connections. You made that connection.

That's amazing. But you've got to know, you have to admit, how random, 85, phased ion canons? It's a random number. Because they could have just said, we have phased ion canons targeted. at your ship. That's it. He didn't have to say the number because when they did start firing at us. We have 85 Remo can't face cam. What if he said that? We have 85 Remo Williams cannons pointed in your direction. Remo. Rimo. Yeah. We have 85 Joel Gray canons. Paint pointed at you're targeting your ship. Now that would have been a connection. That would have been a connection. But when they did fire a

upon us when we were on the ship we it wasn't like this volley of 85 that came at us it was like one it was like one by the way another one that whole sequence with you up on the bridge talking you had a lot of lines up there yeah i noticed a couple times because i know that you used to tape your script pages you know not that early though i don't think i did it that early to be you did you did I caught you. I caught you. I caught you literally looking down and reading. Oh, Robbie.

I saw it once, maybe twice, but I definitely saw it once. You were like, you were looking, and it wasn't looking like doing some business on the console. You were looking down at your line. And you had a lot of lines, by the way. I don't blame you. You just got caught in the cut and they edit. They put a shot of you reading your line off the thing. I'm telling you. Go back and look at it.

Hey, just like I'm looking for stuff with the 85 canons. I think you're just looking for stuff, some connections right now, buddy. But I found it. I'm going to look back over and see if that's the case or not. You'll see it. My memories were that this is not the time that I started writing that stuff down. I figured that I started putting stuff down closer to like season four or five, like later in the game. But hey, you know, you might be right.

I think for this one, you know, if you were anything like, like me, by the way, because I would do the same thing. I would put my page of my sides and pages down there. I'm not, believe me, I'm not saying I didn't do it. Because on the bridge, it's hard, it's just hard. The lines they wrote, the pace that they had to come at, the fact that we're supposed to be looking at these consoles, getting information, it made sense to put some script pages there. And you had a lot of lines with Chacote. You had a big chunk. But I caught you once. Okay, that's fine. For me, I'm okay with you catching me doing that, looking down there.

I would not be okay if you, yeah, if you caught me looking into camera, I think that's the number one thing that I try not to do is like look into camera. Excuse me. Yeah, it is a little bizarre. There's a kid, by the way, sidebar, there's a kid, a little kid on our show, Resident Alien that I've been making this last year. He's adorable, but he's so funny because he constantly looks over the camera

because he wants to be funny and so he'll be in a scene and he'll be like, oh yeah, well, she said that. And he's like, why are you breaking the fourth wall over and over again? Don't look at the camera. Do it again. Don't look at the camera.

She said that. He's like, do you get it? So he's looking for a validation that he's looking for after he says the line. He just looks at the camera. How old is this kid, Robbie? He's non-in or something.

He's adorable. He's funny. That's normal. Like, it's natural. All right. Yeah. And then on the bridge, you gave some directional orders

without Chikote's permission. I thought that was... I've got to rewatch this episode again now after you've brought all this stuff up. And Paris is up there. Paris is going, here's what we got to do. We can get through.

And he basically volunteers to save the day and sacrifice himself. But you don't volunteer. You just do it. I just do it because I'm so dreamy that I just do it. Or maybe we're just following Janeway's lead. Maybe. That's her mantra that she always says, she says, do it.

Right? She does the night. Janeway is willing to sacrifice herself for this man she barely knows. And I thought that's really heroic. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was great. I loved just as we get to the end, I love the fact that, I love that he is able to revenge as a word I don't like, but, you know, given an opportunity,

he's able to find some closure. Find some closure. And take out the bad guy, that the bad guy gets what he deserves. Joel Gray is able to serve the karma to the bad guy. And I love that Kate or that Janeway buys into his hope and his fantasy and his story that she is the daughter and that Janeway before

Joel Gray Joel Gray's character Kaelin dies that she's able to say I forgive you dad I forgive you father so he dies at peace for the

for the you know the forgiveness that he needed and I thought I thought it was beautiful It was really sweet. Is that your theme for this episode then? Showing compassion and empathy and Janeway's compassion and empathy towards a stranger in a way

and giving him closure. The way I wrote down, yes, yeah, kind of. The theme I wrote down is hope can seem like a fantasy or foolish, but you need hope to ever have a chance of change and we're nothing without hope. That was sort of my. theme. Okay. That I feel like

the hope and that hope can seem like fantasy or foolishness like the Joel Gray character he had this hope that seemed crazy but ultimately he was able to achieve what he needed for closure because of that hope,

that crazy hope that seemed insane. So yeah, that's my theme. What about you? Yeah, mine's a little different. Mine's more about just, if you look at this episode of the big picture. Yeah. We started this episode with them being very shady, you know, sort of like,

oh, let's do this deal in a dark room and this and that and try to get the tellurium. And I feel like for me, the theme is honesty is the best policy. Why on earth did we not first approach these xenophobic? These aliens are really on edge to begin with, like the blitterous aliens. are always thinking about like, oh my God, we've already been, you know, other aliens have come in and taken advantage of us and we don't trust anybody. And it's like, look, if we just contacted these people and said, hi, we're Voyager, we need Tullarium. Is there, what can we trade you for?

You know what I'm saying? Instead of being all like, because then nobody would have been put in prison, nobody would, but then again, we wouldn't have an episode. So I understand that. That's why we did it so we could make an episode. I get it. That's why Janeway took us to the dangerous planet so we could film everything. yeah because it's real that was a real planet that was a real planet that's the only real planet

that we went to in the seven years though um yeah so mine's more about honesty okay yeah that's gonna be my uh my two cents worth on the theme um wow i think we're done are we done yeah i think we got through that holy moly i uh i just got to say i really loved it i'm glad that I'm glad that Lisa Klink wrote this episode I think she did a great job I was yeah I was all I know that I was always happy

to see Rick Coley we all loved when he directed it just felt he started us off in the pilot so it always felt like home when he was back so scale from 1 to 10 what are you going to rate this

I would rate this at about an 8 okay yeah all right I'm going to give it a 6.5 better than average but you know interesting not my favorite not my favorite it. Yeah. That's okay. That's fair. It's absolutely fair. It's honest assessment.

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