The Delta Flyers - Resolutions

Episode Date: February 8, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at ...the very beginning. This week’s episode is Resolutions. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Resolutions:Voyager is forced to abandon Captain Janeway and Chakotay when they are infected with a terminal illness. Tuvok leads Voyager on a mission to find a cure.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca Jayne, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, and PJ TomasAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Robert Hess, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, William McEvoy, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Heather Chappelle, Heather Choe, Kelly Havlik, and Richard Sandnesaunet Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys, welcome to the Delta Flyers as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, the one and only, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. One and only. One and only. Wow. Thank you. There's probably a lot of, there's probably a lot of, there's probably a a lot of. There's probably are. Robert McNeils, probably a lot of them. Could not be a more common name my parents gave me in 1964. Robert. Yeah. It was the name of the decade, I think. I wonder if they did a, would there be like over a thousand Robert McNeil's in the U.S.? I'm sure. The U.S. alone for sure, right? 10,000. I'm going to look up very quickly. Names 1964. That was my...
Starting point is 00:00:58 Yeah, most popular 1964 baby names. Yeah. So the most popular Michael, John, David, James, and Robert for boys. And for girls, it was Lisa, Mary, Susan, Karen, and Patricia. There you go. Wow. The popular names, the year that I was born, lovely, 1964. Year of the Dragon. Is that what it was? Year of the Dragon?
Starting point is 00:01:23 Yes. You know I've talked about astrology with you for years now you have I can't remember right I yeah we've established on this podcast I don't remember a lot dragon okay and I'm monkey and dragon gets along with monkey and with rat so four years increments right four years older than you four years younger than you eight years 12 years 16 20 and you are four years older than me um now uh another 12 years older than you becomes another dragon or 12 years younger. So 12 minus 64 is 52. You lost me in the math. Tim Russ. Tim Russ is a monkey like me. He's 12 years ahead of me. So I was born in 68. He's 56 monkey. I'm a 68 monkey. You are a 68 monkey. I'm a 68 monkey. So yeah, so monkeys and
Starting point is 00:02:14 dragons are buddies just so you know. Oh. Yeah. They work well together, whether it's personal or business or any collaboration between monkeys and dragons are good. As you can see, what am I wearing? You're wearing a tie-died hat of some sort with Bears, Chicago Bears, maybe? Yes, this is Megan's hat. Because they're playing Green Bay today, the Packers. They have to win to have a chance to kind of be in the playoff. So she said, you somehow squeeze football into every podcast, don't you?
Starting point is 00:02:44 I'm trying to convert the majority of a fandom. Well, let's face it, right? say probably 90% of the fans of sci-fi are not fans of football. Yes. Yes. That's my guess. So there's only like 10%. Leave it at that. So I want to raise the percentage up. I want it to be like maybe 15% or 20% of fandom. We can talk about curling. We can talk about curling if we, yes, which is one of my favorite channel surfing sports actually, Robbie. It's one of my favorite napping sports. I can. No, no. Come on now. You're trying to tell me if you're watching.
Starting point is 00:03:22 It's awesome. It's awesome because I go right to sleep. If the Winter Olympics are on and I'm channel surfing and I come across curling, I stop and I watch and I am mesmerized by curling. I don't know. I don't know what it is. There's a couple of go-to napping shows I can put on. Curling is one of them.
Starting point is 00:03:41 If I put on like cooking shows, I'm out. Okay. I'm out. Well, I'll be honest. Televised golf professional. National golf used to make me fall asleep until I became a golfer. Then I'm like, I'm so involved. You know, once you start playing golf, then you can watch golf.
Starting point is 00:03:59 But those commentators are speaking so lowly. They're so soft and gentle. You know, a lot of people, a lot of people say that Star Trek, you know, the reruns are typically, traditionally they've always been late night, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock, 1130 reruns of the original series, all TNG. And a lot of people say Star Trek is a great show. to go to sleep by. That it's very comforting.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Yeah. That you can stay engaged or you can just sort of relax and it calms everybody down and gets their mind off their worries and then so. I agree. I agree. I've heard that many times for many fans that Star Trek is in essence the natural sleeping pill. Yes. No adverse effects.
Starting point is 00:04:40 So highly recommended. Highly recommended Star Trek reruns. Yes. The background was not highly recommended a few episodes back, right? So now we say Star Trek is highly recommended. Agreed. Agreed. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:55 All right, man. So this week's episode. Yeah, it's resolutions. Resolutions. I don't remember a thing. Okay. Well, let's go ahead and watch this episode. And for all of you, Patreon, patrons, stay tuned for your bonus material.
Starting point is 00:05:12 We're back. We're back. Resolutions. Oh, my God. I do, I did remember. some of this episode right and I remembered some of it wrong so what I didn't remember
Starting point is 00:05:28 was how much Harry had to do in this episode. Did you remember that or was this surprise? It was a surprise. It was a surprise. It was a nice surprise but it was definitely I was like, wait a minute, I'm all over this one, you know? I mean my first impression honestly remember last episode I did not like Tom
Starting point is 00:05:47 Paris's hair. Well this episode I do not like Harry Kim's hair. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Not a fan of Harry's hair. I don't know what was going on, especially the confrontation scene in Tuvok's quarters. I'm like, what is happening with the hair? That's crazy. Yeah. It's funny because in the briefing room, there was a single, a close-up of you in the briefing room. And I was like, and it had this glamour backlight and your hair looked really good. And I was like, whoa, look at Harry over there in the corner with a fancy lighting. Are you talking about the shot with uh which briefing room scene though the very first briefing room scene when two bucks says and everybody's absorbing it yeah and uh you sure i had a single i thought that was like
Starting point is 00:06:31 more of like a wide shot with you were in the one like a master shot you know what let's get there let's get there okay let me get there okay when we get there let's start with our regular synopsis so your limerick my limerick for resolutions is janeway and chakote gets sick the crew thinks Tuvok abandoned them quick. As love starts to mature, the Videans deliver a cure, and the romance crashes like a brick.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Yes. That's a limerick. Okay, dokey, here we go. Here's your resolutions haiku. I'm just preparing myself. Here we go. Bug bites cause virus. Videans can't be trusted. Doc, beams aboard serum.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Oh, interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I think between our two poems, people will be crystal clear on what this episode is about. Yeah. That's what I love about this podcast is that we give such insight, like just laser-like focus on what matters, what truly matters.
Starting point is 00:07:41 There you go. Where do you want to start? You want to talk about who made it, who wrote it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Written by Jerry Taylor. Jerry Taylor wrote this one. I thought so. Directed by Alex Singer.
Starting point is 00:07:53 So Alex Singer. Alex Singer. He was our old school guy on this. Alex was probably the most senior director that we had on our show, I would think. Yep. We've talked about him before. And he's still around, which is wonderful to hear. Yes, it is.
Starting point is 00:08:10 He was very experienced. And yeah, I loved his attitude. He was great. Yeah, really positive guy. So we are big fans of Alex Singer. And this whole episode starts off. They're on the planet surface. I guess they're in those cryostasis tubes or whatever those things are.
Starting point is 00:08:31 They've been in those for 17 days when the episode starts. I kind of wish that you could, it seemed a little low tech how they just pushed it open. You know what I'm saying? It would have been nice if they invested in some type of mechanical opening. Some type of mechanical opening that would have been super cool. But, you know, budget is budget. So it is right. I think that they filmed that, that looked a lot to me like areas of Griffith Park where we filmed on the pilot.
Starting point is 00:09:00 We filmed the New Zealand penal colony. Right. I feel like that's where we filmed this or they filmed some of those scenes. But they did a mashup in this episode of some location work for those wide shots, particularly the teaser, the opening. That was definitely location. But then a lot of it was filmed on stage again. Stage 16.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Yeah, we created the big outdoor set. Wait, was it stage 16 or 17? Now I'm spacing out. Stage 16 or 17. Oh, did I say 16? Is it 17? I feel like it was 17. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:09:40 We're getting old. We're getting old. We're getting old. I've also, I've got to admit, I've worked on a few shows. long term now so like chuck had a stage 17 no so see that is so it could it's messing with you I could be messing up chuck stage 17 with Voyager stage 16 you know all these old studios in Hollywood had numbers for their stages you know how we can solve that Robbie you just grab a grab an old call sheet just go through your little box of call sheets oh yeah yeah one call sheet from
Starting point is 00:10:13 what the number was no so we know it's it's either 16 or 17. Our hero stages were 8 and 9. Right. Right. And nine were the main ones. But that's definitely a lock. We have 8 and 9 correct.
Starting point is 00:10:24 16 or 17, we're not too sure. Yeah, I don't know. Wow. Okay, so Griffith Park in the beginning. And they popped out. I think it was Griffith Park. It could have been another place. I think sometimes we had shot at, out at like the Disney Ranch.
Starting point is 00:10:38 I think we had shot out there at times. We'd shot a lot of places in Griffith Park. I think that was Griffith Park. I really would. We learned that they've got a, virus, the planet is keeping them alive. So that's why they've got to stay there. It's shielding them from the effects of this virus. And the doctor cannot find a cure. He suggests contacting the Vodians. Yeah. Janeway does not want to do that and commands Tuvok to not do that.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Yeah. Well, she consults Chukotay before the final command, right? Do not do this. Do not do this. So there's our setup. Now we pop to the briefing room. No lines for Harry, but you know, we see that Harry is the most affected by this. Well, we see that because, here's what I was going to get at before. The very last shot, everybody leaves the briefing room. And there's Harry sitting there all alone. He stays, here's the wide shot, and you see everybody leaving. And Harry just sort of turns and sits there.
Starting point is 00:11:31 I thought that was interesting. I found it odd when we first started the episode. I was like, why is Harry just hanging out? But then it made sense later on. Yeah. Because he is the one who was obsessed and really focused on. this so it really turned out to track in the in the story but you know my first impulse was like oh my god why didn't garrett just get up and leave like the rest of us it's like why is he still
Starting point is 00:11:56 hanging out there like i forgot to get up i forgot my i forgot my stage blocking i didn't know what was happening i'm like i'm just going to sit here a little while no it totally totally made sense as we got to do that it's funny because as i'm watching as i watched this episode numerous not numerous but multiple times when you see Harry, you know, sitting in the room, then you see Harry fighting to go contact the Vidians, trying to convince Tuvok. Megan kept saying, really? You care that much about the captain who really didn't care much about you
Starting point is 00:12:28 when you died in the episode? Because it's true. You remember that, right? Yeah, that's right. Harry's dead and Edson Kim is dead and Janeway is sort of, oh, Ensign Kim is dead and Kess has vanished. And what was Janeery's reaction? Nothing about Harry, but Kess?
Starting point is 00:12:42 vanished was the only response. Well, I will say, this makes me think, I didn't think of this as I was watching it, but now it's important to talk about is that, you know, I think a lot of times with us as actors, we very often, at least for me, we didn't play the sort of serialized like the adding up of all these episodes because they were written, each episode was written very standalone. Yeah. You know, they didn't refer to much that it happened before.
Starting point is 00:13:11 it was very rare sometimes like you know the vidy and doctor shows up in this episode and that was in a previous episode but very rarely does anything return and even when it does like in this episode the viddian doctor showing up they don't lean into the doctor and was her name pell dinar pell they didn't they didn't write to the history the emotional history that those two had it was literally just a business exchange so because they didn't write those scripts that sort of added up episode to episode these long-term emotional threads very much. It was never a priority in the writing. I think as actors, I'll speak for myself, very often, I didn't try to make those connections because they weren't there in the script. So I wouldn't really, I wouldn't have said
Starting point is 00:14:00 to myself, I doubt, wow, the captain didn't seem to care about me when I died. So how does that affect me here? I wouldn't have thought about it because they didn't write the scripts that way. And I'll, the reason I bring all this up is to say one of my biggest problems with this episode is that they've teased all along. Chakote and Janeway have maybe a little chemistry. In this episode, it is crystal freaking clear that they have chemistry. It's almost too clear. It's like so on the nose and the melodrama and the soapiness of it all. And then it's like, I don't think that it gets dealt with. I don't I mean, we'll see as we watch more episodes, but I don't recall this ever being really an important story narrative issue. They just didn't deal with it anymore. Like, yeah, that thing happened and
Starting point is 00:14:54 now we're back to work and we're never going to really, yeah, it's not written. It's, it wasn't played. And that I find to be something I think that could have been better, that that sort of making tracking those emotional experiences like your death and how that might affect you know all this stuff connects and uh it would it would have been nice if we could have had a little more of that on the page or been encouraged to to make those choices by our directors and our writers on the show and everything was written as a real standalone sort of perspective so anyway yeah the writing from a standalone perspective was by design um those writers and producers they they made that decision early on that this show would be more each episode would be more high concept they would you know
Starting point is 00:15:44 someone can watch someone could channel surf and come across star trek voyager and watch it and not have to really know much about what happened before you know they could just be you know to maybe garner new fans or something or to increase the fan base um but that was their decision beforehand but that brings up an interesting point what would this show have been like if it was not that if it wasn't written that way. If it was written where everything kind of built upon all the prior experiences, that would have been a really a different show, I think. Yeah. It would have been a lot harder for us as actors to track all of that and to remember, oh, here's a moment where what happened last season really kind of resonates, but it was never encouraged and it was never highlighted.
Starting point is 00:16:28 And so I don't think we made a good habit. At least I didn't. Right. A good habit of kind of going, wait a minute, where can I make connections to things that have tracked in this show? Because often things were contradicted, to be quite honest. Often, you know, an attitude in one episode to fit that story, a character would completely flip to the other side to serve the story. And it certainly served the episodic story, but often it came into conflict with how we had behaved in the past. So it could be tricky.
Starting point is 00:16:58 And yeah, I think this one, just while we're paused in our recap, this one to me really missed an opportunity to explore that relationship, that romance, because clearly it was there. It was like, it was almost like they wanted to write a romance episode without ever committing to romance. And I wish, you know, as I rewatched it, I remember a lot more. I remember, I remember that there were rewrites in this because I think, I think there was, there were, you know, there were kisses.
Starting point is 00:17:29 There was much more clear things happened. This episode was very controversial. I remember Kate loving this episode and wanting more. And I remember the writers. Here's what I remember from being totally honest. I think Beltran didn't like it. He felt like, where did this come from? Like all of a sudden, I'm supposed to be in love and we haven't really.
Starting point is 00:17:54 And so he didn't like it. Janeway loved it because it was a softer, more personal, intimate side of her character. and I don't think either one of them were super happy because it didn't go either way. It was like, all right, moving on in our story. Back on the planet, the supplies, they get the supplies, they're building their love hut. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:16 I thought it was, and it was funny because, you know, Janeway says early on, she says, you know Chacote, it occurs to me, we're not in a command structure anymore. Maybe you should call me Catherine. Yeah. And she coyly looks at him and leaves, and there's a long pause.
Starting point is 00:18:32 And Chukotay says, give me a few days on that one, okay? Big smile, big smile. And he follows her. They were going, I mean, come on. Yeah. They were going there. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:18:46 I do agree. And then we go to engineering. Bala's mean to that ensign. She's downright. Amini. And then what is that ensign's name? Ensign who? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:56 I don't, you say it maybe later. Do I think because you talk to them. Okay. Well, see, I didn't even, I forgot, I had completely forgotten about that guest star until this episode. And then I was like, I remember her. And what I remember is, I made her laugh off camera. Yeah, you know, you know me. I'm always, I'm the real life, Neelix, the real life morale officer of Voyager.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And I made sure that everybody was, was having a good time. And I remember making her laugh. But other than that, I don't remember much beyond that. but I say Baylana. You said it a lot. Baylana. Which is the way she pronounces it. Beelana, right?
Starting point is 00:19:35 Instead of balana. And I've been doing balana for most of the series. And all of a sudden, I come out with Baylana. You said Baylana a couple of times in this episode. Yeah, yeah. So maybe I was, you know, I don't know. I feel like that was an early version of maybe Chakotay said Baylana. And so some people kind of copied that version.
Starting point is 00:19:57 version early on and others just said balana and i think by the end everybody got used to the balana yeah uh but yeah you definitely say balana yeah and you're a little flirty by the way i know i am a little flirty with my girl i'm sorry yeah you're kind of leaning forward yeah see that's just how it is when there's a true connection between two characters you get to lean in closer you lean in yeah that's that's the that's the clue i know i've talked about this before but i'm going to say it again. When my mom pronounced, she said it wrong. She's like, so what's up with banana Torres? It's not banana Torres, mom. That's a dessert. Banana. Banana. The goodbye speech by Janeway. Yes. So casual. She just goes right into it. She's like, okay, I'm on the planet. I'm going to say
Starting point is 00:20:43 goodbye to everybody. Yeah. And we're all kind of gathered around. I think one reason that you might have thought it was casual. I noticed this, okay, a little director's perspective on this. The camera did not move very much in this episode. There's not a lot of dolly shots or tracking shots. And this speech, as we cut around the world to all the other characters, there were these very dramatically composed frames, but they were static. It almost looked like paintings of each group listening. And it just reminded me of Rick Berman, our showrunner's words, of if the actors aren't moving, move the camera. Right. And if the camera, is moving, then you don't need to move, you know, or if the camera's not moving, then the actors
Starting point is 00:21:30 need the actors move. But anyway, it reminded me of that because the camera didn't move. And I feel like it could have had more impact, even with her performance, even with the words, exactly the same. If the camera had just been pushing in slowly to people or handing across their faces or some movement to this montage over the, over the speech, I think it would have helped. Yeah. I agree. In my opinion. I agree. So that's, that would have been more, hmm, what's the term? But the casualness of it was just because it was, like you said, here's a little portrait, a painting of this group listening, right? And then this is a quick static painting portrait
Starting point is 00:22:13 of this group speaking or Janeway speaking. So yeah, you're right. I think some camera movement would have helped in the scene. I think it would have helped. We go back down on the planet and that nightgown that Kate is wearing. And I'm inside. Yeah, inside. I'm kind of shocked that they didn't beam down her peach. I know. I know. Really? Why is she not wearing that? And no, she wears that very. Did you skip the bath? Did you skip her bath? I think you did. Let's go back to the bath. Okay, let's go to the bath. That camera's pushing through the trees and she's in the bath. And I was like, this lady's naked outside. And well, and there's no bubbles in that bath. No. There was steam. You know what was what was blocking the view? It was steam. I was near, I was like, I don't think I should be looking at this. I know Kate Mulgrew.
Starting point is 00:23:05 I don't want to see her tautas. I almost feel like that was added in CGI steam because I feel like it was too. It covered because that water was crystal clear. And from that angle, there would have been nippleage. Okay. And that steam that steam totally covered. the tata's. Yeah, I don't know. It just surprised me. I was like, whoa. And then she's out there a long time luxuriating. And then the monkey. And then the monkey shows up. The monkey shows up. And then that's when she gets up. And man, that camera is literally, I mean, if that was any, if that camera was, was tilted any lower, you would have seen full tautas. Maybe they were trying to get some ratings. Maybe they were looking for some promotion moments where they could show a little skin. I mean, no, you know, I get it.
Starting point is 00:23:52 it makes sense but i was just i was like wow that's awfully um yeah that's all you know yeah i forget what that show after dark was or whatever it felt like felt like those old uh those old oh what were those shows that were kind of cheesy romance after dark or something it's like there was something back in the 80s that was like i forget what network had it it was like late night cheap television it was like romance shows and i can't know i can't remember i can't remember that's what that's what came to mind as i saw her in the it felt very 80s and you know the steam and everything was just music video perfect and yeah but it is a romantic gesture on chikote's part to build her her very own bathtub yes it is a very mermaid yes it is yeah it is do you remember
Starting point is 00:24:44 the monkey anything about the monkey i don't remember anything about that monkey what do you remember about the monkey what i remember about the monkey is it was a big deal that they had this monkey and I remember Marvin Rush, the DP talking about it and the crew talking about the monkey and I remember I think it was at the props department that had to deal with a monkey, you know, they were very nervous. And I remember at one point, there was a lot of conversations about the monkey hiring the monkey and what the monkey was going to be like. And there was worry that it was just going to look like a monkey and not an alien. And I think they were prepping some like prosthetics to put on a monkey.
Starting point is 00:25:22 They literally, I remember all this talk, it was a big conversation, and they were going to put prosthetics on a monkey to make it look more alien. And then finally, they chose not to, I guess, and they just went with a straight monkey. But I do remember the prosthetics conversation and like props guys talking about all that. I would have been interested to see that prosthetics on a monkey. Well, I don't think that would have worked. I think that would have been a disaster. I think that monkey he would have ripped it right off and just thrown it at Janeway. Maybe they tried. I don't know if they ever,
Starting point is 00:25:56 maybe that's why it didn't happen because they tried and he ripped it off. Yeah, those, the monkey scenes were very humorous for me. I laughed every time that primate showed up. So I felt, I felt like, my goodness,
Starting point is 00:26:06 like this is, you know, this is rule number one. Just don't, you know, don't work with kids and don't work with animals, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I mean, you're dealing with it right now. You're dealing with animals all day. So, but I just, I don't remember there was a monkey debate. But then again, you were shadowing and also you were in all the production meetings
Starting point is 00:26:24 of learning. So you would have heard that and you would have remembered that. I remember the prosthetics conversations about monkeys. Yeah. Like what could you have to add an extra tail on that thing? I can't remember. I wish I could remember what they were talking about. A couple catarian horns. Like putting something like a piece over the head or
Starting point is 00:26:40 something. I don't yeah, it was, it might have been a chest thing with a headpiece. I can't, I feel like it was a pretty extravagant conversation because I remember Rick Berman was like, It's got to look like an alien. It can't just look like something you see at the zoo, like an earth monkey.
Starting point is 00:26:55 It's got to look. So, yeah, anyway. Let's see what else. We go inside the hut for the first time. By the way, this temporary shelter that they've formed out of those little things that, you know, the gray and beige triangles that he pulled out. Boy, he did a nice job assembling that place. Look, you really did.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Wow. This is a nice house. like solid work yeah it was that was better than ikea it really was kidding my goodness that's it was all in those boxes from the first scene that whole place hey um yeah the other thing is after they discovered the monkey and janeway's wearing the towel look at that moment where chikote looks down at her bare shoulder and and it's just kind of staring at oh yeah he's staring at he's just he's just like oh my gosh i don't know what to do and he you know he removes himself from that situation. But that prompts
Starting point is 00:27:50 her to have the speech with him later about boundaries. Boundaries. Ramraders, you know, whatever he comes up she comes up with. Yeah. But yeah, I noticed that. There was that initial like, uh-oh, I've never because if you think about it, how often has he seen her bare shoulder like that? Probably
Starting point is 00:28:06 never, right? Probably never, yeah. Okay, so. Well, if she had worn that shiny nightgown from the ship, he would have lost control. It just would have been too much. You think that was her decision? That was a decision.
Starting point is 00:28:21 She was like, I'm not going to bring the shiny nightgown because it's going to be too much. Tuvac, do not beam down the peach shiny nightgown. Please just beam a very nondescript Amish-looking nightgown. So Tote won't be excited. By the way, speaking of what they beam down clothing-wise, every scene Janeway had a new outfit. Every scene.
Starting point is 00:28:42 I'm like, how much luggage did they send down? How much wardrobe she's got, And where does she do all this laundry to like, you know, she's got a new outfit every scene. I'm telling you, watch it again. Every scene is a different outfit. I mean, they're all great. But part of me is like, wow. And Chakote basically has like two outfits the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Okay. What's next? They're on the bridge. And Kim is debating Tuvok about contacting the Vodians. and then I have my freak out. And I made a note about this. I said that freak out was almost identical to the last episode when Tuvix had his freak out on the bridge
Starting point is 00:29:30 because I run around going, aren't any of you going to do anything? I even say something to you and you don't say anything. You don't stand up for me. You're my best friend and you don't even stand up for me. I gave you a look though. You were about to go in the brig and I saved your butt from the brig
Starting point is 00:29:46 because I gave you the look like, dude, dude don't do this I'm like you gave me the dude look I know I know and I looked at you and I acknowledged that you were giving me the dude look right it just reminds me a stand-up comedian was talking about how dude
Starting point is 00:30:02 is something that you can you can say dude for any occasion because dude can be you know excited to see someone dude or someone's doing something that's not right dude like that you know you can do dude in so many different ways and you gave me the dude look I did I listen to you because I almost went to the brig but I didn't I just I was relieved of duty which was kind of
Starting point is 00:30:23 hardcore I think that's the first time I've ever been relieved of duty well you also got um you also got threatened later on with being relieved of duty for permanently yes permanently but we'll get forever yes how scary is that all right so we jump from the bridge to the mess hall scene yes we do and this is where it's like it's like gossip corner it's like the the tom and harry gossip corner in there. It is. Everybody's like, then you move over to this table. Hey, let's talk about that. You know what's going on? Did you hear? What have you know? What do you know?
Starting point is 00:30:55 Yeah, so Hogan's there and Hogan is like, hey, we're with you, you know, and then I go over to Balana, Neelik shows up. Why on God's earth is he holding a cucumber and an eggplant? I'm not sure, but he has... That's what I was talking about with Ethan Phillips is absurd sense of humor. He's always got to do something. He probably wanted to do that.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Let me grab the weirdest things as if I was in the middle of the eggplant and the cucumber recipe. And I'm sure that wasn't direction by Alexer. I don't think he said, Now, Melix, I want you to grab an eggplant and a cucumber and then go talk to Harry. And no, he didn't say that.
Starting point is 00:31:34 That was an Ethan Johnny Phillips move, which I approve. I like bizarre stuff like that. That was so bizarre. And it wasn't a full cucumber and a full eggplant. They were both cut. Exactly in the same place. Like he was in the middle of work and he came right on over.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Yeah. Right? Yeah. The plan is being hatched by hair. It's being hatched. We cut the Tuvok's quarters. Quarters. I got to just stop for a minute about Tuvok and say,
Starting point is 00:32:00 Tim Russ got the nicest quarters of anybody. Better than the captains, better. Because you, we cut inside there and he's in his Vulcan robe with his purple lights and his mood lighting going on. It's all purple and moody. Yeah. First thing I think is like, oh, Tuvok's hanging out at the club. That looks like a nightclub.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Did you see the candle? Did you see the candle? Yes, I did. But if you look at it very quickly, it looks like a female torso and breasts. Really? With nipples and tassels hanging off of them. Like, if you look at the candle holder, it looks like a holographic image of a female torso. It looks like tata's.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Once again, Tata's, this episode is. is just all about ta-tas, it seems. But anyway, if you look at it again, you'll see. I will look at it again. But it looks like a nightclub, the whole thing. It's very stylish. It's lounging in there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Harry comes in with a very compelling argument, I think, very compelling. Okay. Before we go into the argument, I just want to say, the way they lit me kind of in the shadow there, I honestly thought, I mean, I knew it wasn't true, but my first reaction was he's going to kill Tuvok. Like, he's like, he's like in the shadows. Yeah. Yeah, and he's, this is the mutiny. It's, it's on, you know. So, and I think any fan watching probably
Starting point is 00:33:21 was thinking the same thing. They're like, what's happening? Is he going to jump Tuvok and say that you're no longer captain? It was a very moody, yeah, very moody environment for sure. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was great. Yeah. So Harry suggests the solution. Basically, the, uh, the argument is that we have leverage. We have DeNarapel, who is our friend, and we have Torres's DNA, which they know could possibly help end the phage. So that is the argument that Harry brings forth to Tuvok. And Tuvok absolutely stands by his guns and says, no, no, no, I can't do that. And if you keep pushing in this subject, you will not only be relieved of duty, you'll be relieved of duty permanently. And this is the only words I want to hear out of your mouth at this point are yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Right. Yeah. And you very resentfully. filled with venom. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. Sir. So actually, I did kill him. I killed him with my looks at the end,
Starting point is 00:34:22 and I killed him with my yes, sir. It was like, yes, sir, die, die. It was very psycho. It felt like a very, a lot of conflict, a lot of frustration and feelings. It was great. Good scene. Very good scene.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Well done. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. We go down to back to the planet, it, and we learned that he cooks, Chocote's cooking. Yeah, man. Hates it.
Starting point is 00:34:47 So I love the gender roles are kind of swapping, which is great, again, on our show with a female captain. I love that. I love when those moments happen. I have to say, as they're talking, I took a photo of this because Robert Beltran is man spreading. He's man spreading. Okay, so got up there and man spread.
Starting point is 00:35:11 For those that don't have video, just audio, I took a photo on my phone. I'm like, what are you doing man spreading right up next to her face? Megan brought this up. Like when he made that move towards her, and I called it the Captain Morgan move, right? He lifts the one leg up. Megan's like, notice how he says that. As he's doing that move, he says to Janeway, does it make you uncomfortable? And he does it right when he says that.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Megan's like, he's showing the bulge right there. He's just showing her like, look, look what, look what can be yours. You know, I mean, it was like, yeah, it was very bizarre. Like that, I don't know who, who, you know, precipitated that action knew, whether it was a rubber Beltran move or Alex Singer saying, look, you need to somehow get closer to her. It's funny, like when you're making TV shows or movies and things like this, it takes a village to stay on top of some of these things like this.
Starting point is 00:36:11 I feel like someone should have said to Robert, hey, when you get up there and you sort of spread your leg, right? It feels a little inappropriate. It feels like too far. Because often when I'm on a show, you know, and let's say an actress is wearing a skirt or something, and they sort of turn towards camera,
Starting point is 00:36:32 and they don't realize that the camera is sort of facing in a direction that's, you know, not that anybody's seeing up the skirt is not what I'm saying, But it just, it's like, you know, if you turn yourself just a little bit to this side or the other, it'll feel more appropriate. It will feel, it just won't be, it won't be anything that anyone thinks of. And so it takes a village of people looking and going, oh, that little, you know, protecting the actors. And I feel like this was a situation. I feel like there was nobody like protecting us, like Kate or Robert or whoever.
Starting point is 00:37:05 We would just do what we did. And like, if you're man spreading right in her face, you know so be it you call a man spreading i call it a male lap dance is what i call it like that's pretty much what it was about to happen um but yeah but uh they talk she he says you know you got to let go some of the work she's like nope uh i just want to work and then the monkeys come come back and he's freaking out and the storm hits and i got to say about that storm it was an amazing job our our production department all of those trees moving the wind the light the light the light lighting effect. I feel like I was there actually on this day. I feel like there were a number of
Starting point is 00:37:44 what we call Ritter fans, which are the big movie fans, the giant fans that are the size of an old airplane propeller. And there were a number of those fans around blowing all the trees, the lights, you know, the lightning effect is very hard to do realistically, especially on a big set like that. Yeah. I thought they did a great job. The camera work was great. It was very dynamic. It looked real. It looked really, yeah. Big production with. all that wind and lightning and they did a great job yeah and even though i wasn't there during you know that particular day i i knew from watching that's not one fan there's a couple there's more than a there's more than a yeah for sure yeah right so that that all happens and uh kess we go back
Starting point is 00:38:26 to the ship kest tells tuvok about her dad and convinced in the ready room he's in the ready room he's in the ready room now he's captain and she tells tuvok about her father yeah and um basically convinces Tuvac about the importance and the weight of emotions and mental health of the crew. Yeah. And ultimately, Kess convinces him. Kess has been very integral in a lot of the recent episodes. Like she's literally, if you think about it, and this is again something that Megan pointed out. She said, look at the last episode. Notice how she's the one that really went to Janeway and said that, you know, I want Neelik's back. and you need to end Tuvix, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:39:11 And as bad as I feel about telling you that I want you to, you know, end Tuvix's life. And she's, oh, she's crying about it. I want Neelix back. And so she basically saves Neelix and Tuvok in the first episode. And in this episode, it's because of her that she said that we have Chukotay and Jane's Dave, right? So Kess is like the crewman whisperer, right? The Starfleet whisperer. able to just kind of like convince people, right, with her ways. So she did that. Agreed.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Tuvac comes out on the bridge to tell the crew. And of course, when he comes out, I was watching my face and, man, I'm still giving him stink eye. Like I am giving Tuvok stink eye. I'm still killing him in this. You're killing him in the scenes with your eyes. And then he says, we're going to go, we're going to do this. And I see you put your head in your hands. Like you, you set a little prayer. and I was like, wow. Like, thank God he's going to do it. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Harry's going to be okay. Well, you know, I really feel like Harry was one step away from doing something to Tuvok if he didn't agree. I think Harry was, I didn't remember Harry being such an important part of this episode. You talk about cast, but, you know, none of this would have happened. We would never have gotten this far if Harry hadn't pushed and pushed and pushed. Yeah. Yeah. So kudos to you.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Well, I thank you. We go back to the planet. The storm tears up all Janeway's research, and she finally says... Destroyed. Yeah, I guess she says she's forced to let go. To let go of hope and the work and... Right. And just accept her fate that they're here and make the best of it.
Starting point is 00:40:53 So we go back to the ship, and Dr. Pell communicates with Voyager, and they say they're 70 light years away, but they have the antiviral serum. Right. But Deans have, they can, they can fix it. Yeah. As a precaution, Tuvac is like, let's just get ready. Let's undergo battle drills just in case, but, you know, we're probably good. They're going to give us this serum. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Luckily, he, smart guy. He turns out to be right. Yeah. Well, you know, when they're talking to DeNarapel, I definitely felt like, boy, this is just too easy. This is just too easy. You're just going to hand over this serum. We're going to meet at these coordinates. Everyone's going to be good.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Okay. You know, I do think that. that was silly of those Videans. They could have gotten some DNA from Torres if they played along, you know, played the game with us. But they didn't. They were too, they were too greedy. They wanted all 170 of those bodies to harvest again.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Yeah. So we go back down to the planet. Janeway's clearing logs now. She's got another set of clothes on. And just again, I was like, oh my God, how many outfits does she have? Yeah. But she's finally positive.
Starting point is 00:42:04 I think Chacote even says it's the first time that I think I've heard you say something positive. Yeah. The monkey is the massage here? Yeah. Now she's like, oh, the massage. Yeah. Got to have a massage. And I got to say, I felt uncomfortable watching the scene.
Starting point is 00:42:22 I know Kate. I know Robert. This just made me uncomfortable watching this massage scene. I got to say. Okay. It was very loaded with pheromones and sensual. love, sex energy. Didn't want to look.
Starting point is 00:42:38 This is the angry warrior story also seen, right? Isn't this right? No, I think he's told that story. Did he? No, because like what I wrote down is... It's coming up after the massage, yes. After the massage, then he tells her the story. After the massage, she has a moment where, because he's massaging her,
Starting point is 00:42:58 and then he stops rubbing her neck. And you see her face, she's her eyes are closed and then you see his hands stop. And all of a sudden she realizes, oh, he stopped rubbing my neck. What's he doing? What's happening? They both freeze. And then I think she says, I'm going to go lay down. And she goes and lays down and has this like very flustered expression.
Starting point is 00:43:24 And then there's a bit of a time cut. We come back and she comes out and she says, I think we need to draw some boundaries. And that's when he says, let me tell you. The angry warrior story. The people of my people. There's a legend. My people say this. Akuchi-Moya.
Starting point is 00:43:38 He talks about true peace here. Right, right. But it still moves her. It still moves her. Moves her very much. And even just talking about peace in a way that is him saying, I love you in a way, you know, I feel. And then the hand, interlocking hand holding happening. I think there was a kiss here originally in the script.
Starting point is 00:43:55 I think there was a kiss and a suggestion that they might have even gone further. And that was where this original. scene ended somewhere something like that but i think they took it way way back um yeah and then we cut to the out of that soft gentle emotional moment we go back and there's a battle and the viddians and we got to be super tricky and and uh shut down our shields to bring the uh the serum over but drop this bomb that we're going to blow up and take care of them so yeah the trick works we we get the serum we blow up the ships and we head back to where jane way is and uh I feel like we've done this before.
Starting point is 00:44:33 That move? That one move. Or maybe I saw it in a movie or something. It's a good move. Yeah, to eject an anti-matter container and then shoot a photon torpedo at it. And by the way, Harry was the one that shot the torpedo. Nice job, buddy. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:44:48 I appreciate it. Nice job. But then you did the impulse. You got us out of there so we didn't get blown up or hit. Yeah, I got it. Turn the engines. Crank the engines up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:58 We go back to the planet. Janeway's gardening. I love the moment where, where Chikotis says something like, you always have an opinion, don't you? And she goes, yep. And he's just about to build her a boat. Like, how romantic is that? Building her a boat.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Yeah. And she seems so excited about it. And then two hours, like, we'll be there in 30 hours. I mean, it was, you know, so bittersweet. But as much controversy as this episode, as you talk about this episode was controversial, it was still very nice to see a softer side of Janeway. you know you definitely saw a different side of her it was great i wish we could have seen more i wish they i feel like there's some version of they could have gone even further with their true feelings
Starting point is 00:45:40 and consummated and had a you know had a a a deeper connection and and then realize that okay if we have to go back to the ship we can't we just can't and they could have made an agreement that we're not going to you know that that would you know what happens on planet stays on the planet like and and move on yeah then they would have had lizard babies and it would have been all great. Yes, yes, exactly. What is your theme? My theme is, I have two themes. I came up with. It was hard. One of them was sometimes breaking the rules can lead to what you really need. There you go. That's my first theme. And I think that's my real theme. My other theme was that kind of the inverse of that. Sometimes following the rules can cause you to miss out on true love. Like I
Starting point is 00:46:30 Janeway was trying to follow the rules and do the work and she just couldn't let go of the rules. And so they missed out on true love. So breaking the rules, following the rules. Yeah, I agree. I wrote down sometimes rules are meant to be broken. And that is exactly what happened here. Yeah. All right. So that is our episode. Yeah. Not bad. Okay. All right, thanks guys for tuning in this week. Join us next week when we review the final episode of Season 2. Basics, Part 1. Don't forget, if you're a Patreon patron, stick with us because we've got some amazing interviews coming up just for our patrons. We've got Voyager writer Lisa Klink. We've got Robert Beltron. And believe it or not, we've got the amazing Kate Mulgrew to talk about their
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