The Delta Flyers - Roxann

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

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Welcome, welcome to the Delta Flyers podcast, and we are so happy today to have a wonderful guest, Roxanne Dawson, our old castmate and now director of many different projects and living outside of California. I love it. Hi. Hi. Hi, Roxanne. Hi, wifey. Oh, my God. Here's just a quick question, Roxanne. Had you played a lot of relationships in your acting career? Did you have, you know, were you a wife or whatever? You know, I mean, how many husbands in was Robbie, is my question. I had many boyfriends. Yes.

But no husbands, but no husbands is an act, no acting husbands, right? I'm sure I did. But you can't think of one right now. I think that nobody comes to mind to as important as this. Oh, thank you. That's very well said. But I'm going to say that with maybe the first. I'm going to say that right now.

Okay. I don't think I had a on-screen marriage. I feel the same way. I feel like, oh, yeah, I had a ton of, of, like, you know, dating relationships on screen and shows and things like that. But I can't think of any project where I was a marriage. character until Roxanne's character. Look at that. Yeah. All right. So in accordance, in solidarity with the strike, we are basically not talking anything about any past, current, or

future shows. So this podcast is going to be really going into a deep dive of who you are. Because if you look at Wikipedia and you click on early life of Roxanne Dawson, it says Roxanne Dawson Caballera was born on this date in Los Angeles. She graduated from Berkeley on this date. That's all there is. We do. I mean, So anyone kind of, yeah, very minimal. Although, I mean, I would love it without the dates, but yeah. I didn't say the dates. I just left that open.

They can go look at themselves, right? But I think, I would like that without the dates. Yeah, without the days. Yeah, there's not a lot there. There's not a lot. How did you get into acting? How did that start, like the idea of I want to be a creative person, I want to go in the arts, I want to be an actor, maybe.

How did that start? you know it's there's nobody in my family that's in the business i mean nobody yeah and uh but from the time i was like five i was already like reenacting things i we get the block together and i put on plays the first play i did was born free and of course i played elsa the lion and um and i put the seats up and we my mom would make cookies or whatever and then i charge them of course you know of course yes but we had like the whole neighborhood was the cast. And then I did it with my cousins and another, usually a sketch show of some sort. I mean, I was like. Who organized this? I did. So you were producing at how old?

Yeah, I was producing. And I wrote and started a play in first grade about this princess, me, who was being married off by her parents and she'd not want to get married. She hated the idea of marriage, didn't want marriage. And finally, her father said to her, well, in the kingdom, Whoever can answer this question will marry you. And the princess says, well, what's the question? Because what is hot and cold at the same time? And so they have all these princes come in and they would try to do it, try to do it, this is first grade of Mrs. Wilson's going.

And finally. You're writing, producing, acting. Oh, my God. It was already the stars. I've never heard this. I didn't know this. This is preordained that you are where you are right now in life because you already showed glimpses of it.

writer, director. Did she design the costumes? She charged admission? Go ahead. The answer to the question is a hot fudge Sunday. A hot fudge Sunday? A hot fudge Sunday? Yes.

And it ended up with me with the prince coming in or the potential prince coming in saying hot foot Sunday. And then I throw myself on the ground and have a temper tantrum because I have to now get married. That was my first grade. What may be? What did you think that like if your family. I haven't thought about this in like so long.

This is the best though. I love this, Roxanne. This is amazing. Neither of us have heard anything like this from you at all. But look at the temper tantrum, the foreshadowing of, you know, the character that you later played on the show that we all worked on together. Unbelievable. At first grade, first grade.

That's incredible. Can I just rewind just for a little bit? Because I want to know, were you born in Los Angeles as well? is that correct okay so first grade was in l.a yeah yeah i was i was born in inglewood and ended up shooting something at the hospital i was okay you're having a reaction are you okay i'm just i'm just saying i'm just saying you were sorry inglewood go ahead go ahead speaking in that the hospital hasn't been in use in forever you know and i ended up by shooting and i remember the morning that i'm going to this i forget the name of my hospital now i i was thinking of myself as i'm literally about to go there

even though I've scouted it and everything. I said, what sounds familiar about this? And I looked at my birth certificate and I went, shit, that's where I was born. Oh, wow. And so during lunch, I had the guy show me around to like the maternity board because my father described it. He was at having pizza and came back and saw me through the window.

Yeah. You know, and I could, I was born in one of two rooms. One had a window and one didn't. And I so, my mother had passed about a year before then. And I so wanted to like call her, just go, mom, which room was I born in? Like one of the rooms I was born in, you know, so. Yes, I was born in Inglewood. Oh, my God.

Okay. You know what, Roxanne? I think I shot at that hospital that you're talking. Daniel something. Yes. It's a person's name. Shut down for a long time. It was a person's name.

It was in Englewood. And a lot of shows shot there. I think I also shot at the hospital. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy because I went to college with the Daniel Freeman. Could it be? No, cannot be. That must be his great, great grandson.

Yeah, that can't work out that way. Sorry, my math is backwards. Anyway, so, okay, you were born there, but Inglewood obviously is not the best neighborhood in Los Angeles any longer. That's more of a, you know, kind of a hood area now, unfortunately. Yeah. Okay, so it wasn't great. Okay. So you were raised, like first grade, where were you living at that point?

Englewood? No, we moved when I was in, just before I started kindergarten, we moved to La Cresenta. And, yeah. And so we had a head. house there. That's where I had my, um, the rest of kindergarten and like first grade. And your play with your first play was produced there in La Cicentza. And that's where we did it on Briar Haven Drive. So then when did you guys move to Beverly Hills? Because you went to Beverly High. So how locker sent us? Dad's, he was a lawyer. And his practice, uh, can you grow? And he ended up getting, um,

a partnership at a firm in Beverly Hills. At that time, the two freeway, if people who live there, didn't exist and he was doing this ridiculous commuting of like a couple of hours a day back and forth to get into Beverly Hills like city streets yeah I mean they're just it was really bad and it was always rush hour and and everything and so before that I think it was before the two was even built he moved us in we didn't really I'm not I'm not kind of like cry poor but but he's not we have a lot of money my dad was born in Spanish Harlem you know I mean like the The only, you know, until the day he died, he was still sending money back to his family in New York. And, but we got permission to live in an abandoned, like, building that had like four units in it.

And we were the only one in there. They got the electricity turned on. And this that allowed us to get into Beverly Hills, basically. And I went to El Rodeo school, which is actually no longer in existence. It was a grammar school. And that's kind of how we kind of got in. And then they finally found the house that was my childhood. at home, basically, for the whole time that I went to high school and everything.

Wow. But it was really, yeah, it was interesting. It was fun to walk around that abandoned thing. We'd be the only place that had like electricity and it was going to be knocked down, which is a parking lot now. So it's gone. Oh, my God. I remember going to your parents' house, that house in Beverly Hills.

Yeah. When I rehearsed, we were doing a reading at some convention together and we rehearsed it at your parents' house. We did one time. I went over there and met you at your mom and dad's house. Do you not remember this, Roxanne? Not immediately. Oh, my God.

We did. Wow. And it was, we have Robbie disease right now. Robbie usually forgets everything, but I know. I usually do. We did love letters at some convention. We read the love letters play.

But you rehearsed it at her mom's house. We had two rehearsals. One was at your mom and dads and one you came over to my house. Uh-huh. But I love that I could see your mom and dad's house. house. I remember like because I knew you grew up there and it just was so it was a modest house. It's just this little house on the south side of baby. I know sometimes you go Beverly Hills and it's like sweets paved of gold. You know, it was a very typical L.A. house. It was a very typical built

in the 40s probably, you know, two, three bedroom kind of ranch bungalow. But it was very charming and I was just happy to see where you grew up. That was very cool. If I can quickly interject, a lot of people have misconception. When they hear Beverly Hills, they immediately assume every house is a mansion and it has, it's on a two acre property. No, Beverly Hills, you could, some home, you could reach out your window and touch your neighbor's house. I mean, it's, it's that compacted together in certain parts of it, right? So, but it is a very nice, it is still the, the best shopping part of Los Angeles is Beverly Hills. Well, it wasn't then. Rodeo Drive did not exist. Rodeo Drive did not exist. Really? No. What year did it form then? Did Rodeo?

become rodeo. Yeah, they actually built that rodeo thing from Wilshire, knocked down the theater that was there, started to build out, that whole, that whole area. I mean, when I was going to school, I remember, I had to get permission from my parents, like, walk to Beverly Drive, you know, I was a three blocks away, but they were always weird. And on there was a five and dime called Newberries, and literally was a five and dime with a counter in it, that you could like work stuff. And it was, you know, it was just, it was very, you look back, I'm sure there pictures you know. Small town. I bet it felt like a small town. Holy small town. I would walk to school. It was a great school. I think one of the reasons outside of my dad's business was that

he got me into a great school system. And at that time, that school system stood above some, you know, many. And it also, ironically, he didn't know this, had the best drama department ever. And my teacher, John Engel, who was like brought many people through he, to this day, I do things, and I still think about what he's taught me. He's an amazing man. I love that you say that because that was one of my big questions is who in your life as a creative person sort of inspired you that you still recall the lessons you learn. And it's John Engle for you. Totally.

Totally. Yeah. So funny. Just the other day, there was a video of him being interviewed in like the 1970s. And I like his voice to see him on this old tape talking about what he's doing at school and everything. And I went, oh, my God, it was amazing. What was it about him that inspired you to keep going creatively with acting or performing things? How would you describe him?

He was an equal amount of passion and discipline. And I just feel like it wasn't just all about the passion and it wasn't just all about the discipline, but they had to go hand in hand. There was respect. There was respect for your fellow castmates for everybody. It's because we did many shows where you're the lead in one and you're the chorus in the next one. you know, and you had a lot of rotation and a lot of trying new things and knowing how to criticize, knowing how to talk to each other so that we could still risk and feel safe with

each other. He was giving me a lot of lessons on direction as he was really teaching me to become an actor at that time. But I learned so much from him as a director. If I look back at what he taught me. But it's funny because for my last year in high school, school was basically the first year that a chorus line was on Broadway. And I went with my dad and we sat in the Schubert Theater on Broadway and watched a course line. And then when I came back, I somehow finagled to get the music. It wasn't printed yet. But I got the song at the ballet. And for my final like spring thing, and my dad was sitting in the audience. I sang one of the three parts of at the ballet when we were like on on the main stage. You know, when it was the

first time people were starting to hear that music. But also I'm a time. is so weird. I was also working as an usher at the Schubert Theater when it just a few weeks later came to the Schubert Theater. So I was, you know, and that's how I snuck up to my first audition for course line because I. Do you know? Oh my God. Do you know I was an usher in Atlanta at the Fox Theater for Chorus Line? And that's how I got, I auditioned for course line. I'm not kidding you. No, I was an usher for the first national tour. And they were in Atlanta for like three, four weeks. and I didn't usher every night. It was sort of a volunteer usher job.

Yeah. But I would go, oh, my God, I didn't know we both ushered for Chorusline. Well, actually, Chorusline came after I, because it was after I graduated high school. So when it came through, I wasn't working there, but I still had all my IDs, you know, from like, I literally went through the stage door because I knew everything. And I went right into the audition. And you want one of my eight by ten was, it was. it was it was a three by five picture of me with my dog i had no resume i had nothing it was just like i made it like quite a ways away and i kept calling my mom and going she was just come home now

just come home it's like because we didn't have iPhones in those days but that's incredible it's so funny but that's how i snuck in was because i knew all the i just waved at the guy and he thought i was still working there and it was like wow i feel like i'm watching a scene from a rom-com movie watching you two talk right now like you guys are too like Broadway theater after nerds you're like oh my god we did the same thing yeah yeah crazy they had they had an in Atlanta they had an open call just for replacements just to go in the files and I went to do the open call I did I got cut in the first round I was not I was not the dancer that you were but uh it was maybe my first audition for something of that level absolutely it was actually it was my first

audition at that broadway at that level yeah at that and they were very you know they would out they would advertise open calls you know and every city went to so even though I kind of went into that audition just out of high school you know uh it really wasn't the real thing the real audition I went to was right after I graduated from college and that was an open call in San Francisco I was living in San Francisco while I was going to Berkeley and I just graduated and a friend of mine said look at there's an open call I I went, oh, maybe I'll go do that. And I said, but I'm working. I was a receptionist at San Francisco Ballet.

And so I called in sick. I said I had food poisoning. And then I went to the audition. And I kept getting asked back. So it was a three-day process. So the next day I called in sick again, said, I still haven't recovered. They went, okay. And then the third night, I was down to like the final 20, you know, and they were going to, you know, they ended up choosing three of us to go forward.

But I was on the evening news. and they were doing a thing on it. And they called me, San Francisco Valley called me, and fired me for lying. Remember you told me that's. And so, and then I got it. And then their publicity department called me and did a whole article for Herb Kane, who was a great side of story at person over at the San Francisco Chronicle. He did a whole story on my calling in sick and then getting.

Getting fire. Oh, and getting fired. Yes. And we were all using it now as publicity. But yeah, yeah, three days later, I was on my way to New York. So that was a huge change in my life. Okay. I have a very important question. I have to ask you. Your father was born, you said, in New York. Correct? New York City? Or, okay. So, and your mother was also born in New York? Is that right? Or, okay. But their background are both, they're Puerto Rican in background. Is that correct in ethnicity? Yeah, they're New Ricans. Yeah. Okay. Did they? Did they support your acting, you know, you're all of your, I know when you were young, you're doing plays. I'm sure they love that. But then when you decided, okay, I want to make this a profession, did they support that? Or was that something that you had issues with, with your parents?

They would never be unsupportive, but they weren't supportive. And I remember, I think it was that day that I did at the ballet at school. And my dad came up and hugged me and he said, I get it, I get it. you have to do this, you know. And even though, you know, he didn't lie. I mean, I was about to head to Berkeley to major in theater, which is a stupid thing to do. Not that they don't have a good theater department, but like go to Berkeley and major in anything else, like make, learn something. You know what I mean? But I still, I had a, had a great time there and was able to take a lot of other courses too. But he just kept going, what are you going to do with a theater degree? And I was

like, I agree with you, father. I don't know. It's going to be insane. But then happened. and then they were just worried you know it is a scary career path to to go down and i'm sure they were just worried i would worry i absolutely would worry i wouldn't encourage i mean neither of my kits are interested in the business i mean they would come and hang around the craft service table they had no interest in any part of it and i'm glad you know but let them see it and understand what i do but yeah you have to not be able almost to do anything else if you're going to put yourself into this you know what i mean i think right i also think because it's a scary career path i mean that's one of the things with the strike just to go back to the strike because it's definitely an issue for

all of us right now these are the issues that are that are in play is making a contract and a you know a career that people can survive on you know because it is a scary path and so i think uh you know that's what Screen Actors Guild and the Writers Guild are both fighting for. Just some fundamental stuff. It's not for the rich and famous celebrities. It's for the people that, you know, that need a little security like your parents were worried about, you know. It's health insurance or a pension or you're just fundamental. It's the middle class again.

The middle class of acting squeeze. It's a journeyman actor. As you go on some of the really small parts, you can have people that do this for the love of it and are good at it. and don't really are worried about earning a living. But then you have the roles that people would genuinely do five to six roles a year as a guest star on a series and be able to make a nice living. And that has kind of gone away. Not to mention what it costs to live in Los Angeles.

But that's really gone away as the amount that we're paying those people have just been squeezed as the bottom line has just gotten tighter and tighter. I mean, I don't know if you've experienced at Roxanne, but there's people that we worked with back in our science fiction days who've contacted me and said, hey, I need to make my health insurance this year. If there's any, any little thing, anything, I'll take it because it's tough. It's tough to make a living. That's why your parents were worried. That's what made me think of all this is it's tough. One thing that that brings to mind when your father was so proud of you. and, you know, finally got it. I did a lot of theater like you did. And my parents were very worried about the path. And then I had moved to New York and I got my first commercial was for a tuxedo company.

It was the prom commercial. And I was getting my tuxedo on in the commercial to get ready for the prom. And because they saw me on a tuxedo commercial, my parents were literally like, you've made it. Wow. You can do this. Maybe we were wrong. I was like, I have done plays.

I've done theater. I've toured. No, that didn't matter. No, none of that mattered. The tuxedo commercial made them finally go, okay, maybe you can do that. Oh, my gosh. But I totally understand that. It's just, I get that.

I get that way. I mean, I, you know, I do. People don't really understand the majority of people don't really understand what it is that we do as actors or the journey that journeys that we take, you know, and, and there are so many talented actors that aren't rewarded as we have been, you know, the kind of work that we have been able to do. And, and so there definitely is, as there is with any profession, a certain element of luck, it was a matter of being ready for when you get lucky, you know, and, but you have to have that too. So. Yeah. In the back wall there, I see the photo of the cast photo of the

It's the one. Oh, yes. That is the one where you are, let me say. You guys are here with me all the time. But Roxanne, that is the perfect photo. You have to agree. The balance, the symmetry in there, the fact that if you were not doubled over, that photo wouldn't be as good. If you were standing up kind of laughing, no way. The fact that you're doubled over about to fall on the ground, that's what makes it amazing. It's, I remember the moment, too. I don't know what other. We don't remember. Well, you know Bob Ricardo said it, right? He said something naughty, something naughty. bad and funny and then that's where we're all cracking up because he's not loving here's what i have look at that one i like that i have that i have that too i love this one because that one also that's also oh this because we're so relaxed like we didn't know they were i love this photo is bob next to kate robbie who's next to kate uh that's that's ethan that's no no to the bob oh bob's on the other side she's surrounded by the ball

guys. Yeah. She's surrounded. And Roxanne is next to Bob and I'm next to Roxanne. Is that right? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh my God. Anyway, I have we both have our family photo. I just love it. I love it. I love it. Yeah. If we could only figure out what Bob Picardo said that day.

I know. In Roxanne's photo when everybody's laughing, I don't know what he's. It's just the laughter on your face is brilliant and just you've fallen over. Every person in that photo is. And it's the best photo ever. You know, it was just great. God dang it. What a great shot.

I have one last question for our podcast. Sure. You know, we, the three of us have had an enormous gift of being part of something where we really have a relationship with our audience. We have, there's this long-term relationship. I've done a lot of projects where. I don't really know the audience. I don't ever meet them.

I don't get the feedback, whether it was as an actor or director. What is your thoughts? You know, we had Michelle heard on the podcast, and we were talking about, you know, during the strike time, really trying to elevate the importance of the creative people with their audience. That's the relationship that's intimate. People don't have a relationship with their streaming service. They have a relationship with the characters and the feelings they get when they watch, you know, something we've created.

So what is your thoughts about just in your career, your relationship, whether it was in the theater, that feedback you get from the audience, what you learned as an actress with the audience and now as a director, like any thoughts about your relationship with the audience? well i missed it sorely when i stopped doing theater and then you go to do television and there's like there's there isn't feedback i mean i think it's addictive i think for those of us that i understand that have been on the stage for a amount of time to know how to time and an eight show a week and know the tendencies of of groups and and know in the first five minutes if it's if it's going to be a good night or not and then let it surprise you if something else happens you know but you're always is that relationship is that's that other person with you all the time and probably the closest that I've come to that was the first time I did a Star Trek convention and I walk out there

and suddenly everybody's like going crazy and you're talking and they they know what you've done and all of a sudden you're talking to your audience and to me that was so fantastic um as it was the first time that I was having contact with that other person yeah you know in the room and we never get a chance to see. Yeah. Yeah, I really love that the three of us have been a part of something where we have that relationship. Because like you, for me, the thing that drew me to being a creative person was that relationship with the audience, that that experience that I had when I could make them laugh or you could hear the room go silent when you know, when you yelled your lines or something, you know, whatever it was, you felt.

this, you know, this, uh, this connection. And I think we're all three really lucky to have had this TV show experience that, that kind of gives us that. And, uh, well, yeah, Roxanne, thanks for being with us on our podcast today. Thank you. So much. And your wisdom. We learn stuff today. We didn't know. It's awesome things. You have an answer. These stories. So that was really nice. I mean, your first grade production, writing. everything i mean you were already a studio in it of in it of yourself is what you were you were the roxan studio you created your own works at first grade that's amazing all right thank you once again uh stay tuned next week everybody we'll be back with uh get another wonderful guest to join us but for all

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