The Delta Flyers - Scientific Method

Episode Date: October 4, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Scientific Method. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Scientific Method: A string of bizarre illnesses afflicts the Voyager crew. The Doctor & Seven of Nine uncover a team of alien researchers existing out of phase performing medical experiments on the crew.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, & our Post Producer Jessey MillerAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, & Kate MulgrewAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Becca Stillo, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Ashley Stokey, Lucas Shuck, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Joshua McHenry, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Melissa Lau, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Paul Young, & Katherine PokhrelAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, James Cottrell, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Michelle Maroney, Scott J. Mark, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, & David J ManskeThank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Hey, Robbie. Hello, hello, hello. Hello. How are you? I'm good. How are you doing? I'm good. I just, uh, I just, uh, I just finished 11 straight days of filming on resident alien on location right we were in the studio for the first five days and then we went to uh vancouver island yeah from vancouver we i took a float plane yeah which by the way i took some video of taking off and landing sweet um because we had talked to to Rich from Oregon about his float plane that he just bought.

He's one of our admiral level members. So I took a video of the float plane trip, and I'm going to post that as some bonus material for those patron patrons that might be interested in Tom Paris in a float plane. Nice. Yeah. I think that would be of interest to some people. Yeah, that's how we got out there.

We took float planes and ferries out to Vancouver Island. this i got a picture behind me of one of the locations that uh we didn't actually film at this location but we may be filming here because it's it's a very cool old uh like cold war era satellite base that is not not functioning anymore but oh it's abandoned giant satellites are there those things are like those are 150 feet high those things they're oh my gosh yeah so When you flew on that plane, you went from Vancouver to Victoria. Is that where you landed? We landed in Nanaimo.

Oh, Nanaimo. We fly right out of downtown Vancouver, out of the water, and then you land in this town called Nanaimo. And we shoot in a town called Lady Smith, which is a tiny little town where Pam Anderson is from, Pamela Anderson, the famous celebrity of all kinds. She's a celebrity of all questions, dude. I'm a celebrity of all kinds. How do you, you know, she's like Baywatch.

She was, what's his name, Tommy Lee's. I thought you were referencing the, you know, the video that, that very personal video that she did with Tommy Lee. All kinds of things she's famous for. But most importantly, she's famous for being from Lady Smith, British Columbia, this tiny town that we shot in. So what's the population of Lady Smith, B. my goodness. I don't know. I'd say, you know, a couple thousand maybe. Oh, so tiny. Yeah, it's a tiny town. Tiny. I bet you your relatives are still there. Well, she is actually, she bought a rat, the reason I know that she's from there and she bought an old historic building on Main Street and Lady Smith.

Oh. And she has a vegan or vegetarian restaurant called Plantitude. I think is the name of it. Yeah. Nice. Got a little restaurant in her hometown, which I think is awesome. Well, you know, Megan's vegan. And I've been pretty much vegan because she is. So that would be cool to go check that out. Plantitude and ladiesmith. When you said she bought an old, you had a little bit of a pause. I was waiting for you just saying she bought this old satellite abandoned satellite dish place that's behind me.

I think that would be awesome. Yeah. If that was owned by her, yeah. By Payman Anderson. Yeah. We had an adventure. So that's been my last 11 days. Oh my goodness.

So you're breathing a sigh of relief. So you have today off, which is it's a work day. Typically, Robbie's not available to record Delta Flyers during the week. But this Friday, he's off. So we are lucky to be able to record an episode on a weekday. So here we are. Yes. Very cool.

So that means this episode is extra professional because it's during the professional week. So you will be receiving a much more professional podcast than the weekend podcast. All right. So this week's episode. Yes. Is scientific method. Scientific method. That's appropriate for an extra professional episode that we're doing today.

It is. To be entitled the scientific method. And who doesn't love science? Who doesn't love science? Everyone loves science. Does everybody really love science? If you watch Star Trek? Yes, you do.

Okay. I think. I think so. I would think that you've got a curiosity about science and exploration and what else is what things in the universe are different than I am. I think that that's probably a common theme for our Star Trek fans. Yeah, I think so. Let's go watch this episode.

So we will be right back, everyone. See you soon. Okay, we are back from watching Scientific Method. Yes, we are. I liked it. You did? I did. I did.

I did. I did. Are you kind of on the fence? I'm kind of mixed about it. I enjoyed watching the episode, but one of the things I really love about Star Trek is it makes you think about bigger ideas, like, you know, an insight into the human experience in some way. And this one just felt to me like, I don't know, it was a cool sci-fi idea that there could

be aliens, you know, like ghosts in our presence who could be experimenting on us without us knowing like like I guess the idea is interesting it just didn't hold together like in the end I was like yeah okay it was a good okay all right well the story is by sherry klein and harry doc clore so it's a shared story credit the teleplay is by lisa clink who i think she did a good job she did do a good job yeah her script was good um directed by david livingston and again you know david's a good director as well so um it looked good you know i'm sorry that you weren't too you're not it's funny because i didn't remember any of this episode wow like you don't even remember doing the kissing scenes i you know there was a lot of kissing

by the way there was so much tom and balana making out loudly uh lots of loud kissing yeah yeah it was i don't i mean as i watched it i did remember some of the scenes or parts, you know, some vague memories. But I think even when we made this episode, I don't think the story as a story kind of captured my imagination. I think it was, you know, but the, you know, the scenes with Tom and Boulana, I thought there, I did remember like that long turbo lift scene where Paris goes, okay, you know, halt turbo lift.

And then they talk some more. Oh, you do remember that. I did remember when I watched it, I did remember. filming that scene we were we had a lot of fun yeah i do remember filming some of these scenes with roxan because um it just came back to me as i was watching some of the scenes but yeah it's uh i did not remember this episode at all cool so let's let's just jump right into our poetry synopsis let's do and yes so i'm going to go ahead and i'll begin with with the haiku here we go okay here we go um here is my haiku for scientific method

is bald. DNA stimulated. Janeway plays chicken. Nice. I like Chacote was bald. He was. It was a weird look on him. Very weird look. Yeah. All right. Here's the limerick for scientific method. Let's do it. Here we go. Tom and Balana are acting quite taboo while aliens are experimenting on the crew. Janeway, is feeling stressed, a test to see how far she can be pressed, but the aliens didn't realize Janeway can play games, too. Yeah. Okay.

Good job, Rob, Bianca. Okay. I like that one a lot. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Very good. Yeah. Okay.

Let's talk about the guest starts. you did a little research on the guest stars tell us about who was in this did a little research rosemary forsyth who is the alien who is captured by seven of nine and throwing the brig she is a canadian born a canadian born actress born in montreal you mentioned that you heard a new york accent i feel like when i was watching the scenes i'm like boy this woman has such a new york accent or something that was very regional maybe it was toronto maybe you know toronto Toronto and New York are very close geographically. They're both big city vibes.

So maybe it was that I was picking up on. But her accent was distracting to me. It was hard for me to buy her alienness because she had a bit of that urban East Coast. I see. Something. All right. Well, she's most known for her role as Bronwyn opposite Charlton Heston in the warlord in 1965.

Wow. So she's older than we know or we think. I mean, she was born in 1943, so she's 78 now. Yeah. But there you go. So she's been in the business for quite some time, evidently. But that was kind of her big scene, that scene in the brick. Yeah.

There wasn't a lot more. No, no. And there was the other alien that popped up that said, you know, don't do this. Don't fly through the. And also, yeah, before we get to that, in 1966, after the Charlton. Heston role, Foresight was nominated for a Golden Globe Award as new star of the year actress for her work in Shenandoah. So that's interesting.

Holy Moses. Yeah. Wow. So she just coming up. If you say Holy Moses because Charlton Heston played Moses. That's why I said that. Yes. On theme.

You know what? Holy Moses. Holy Moses. Let my people go. And the other guest star that has been credited is Annette Helda. I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly. She played the character of Karina in a deep space nine episode visionary. She was also Lieutenant Nadia Larkin in the Deep Space Nine episode.

It's only a paper moon and the siege of AR-558. So it looks like one, two, three, DS-9 episode she was in. Of course, the character, we don't know their names. We never hear their names. But in Voyager, her character was Takar, T-A-K-A-R. And on Star Trek Klingon, the video game, she was Illyria, and then in Star Trek first contact, she was a security lieutenant. Interesting. Yeah, she did a lot of then.

Quite a bit, yeah, for sure. It's funny you mentioned that her name was not mentioned in the show itself. Right. Right. I think after I watched the show and we were waiting to get together, I was looking at some research. And I don't think they were named even in the script. Oh, really? At first, I think they may have added the names after we started shooting or something like that.

I think it was like, you know, Alien 1, Alien 2 or something. Like, they didn't even have names at a certain point. Do they even talk about the name of their species? I don't even think we know what they're called. Yeah, I think. Do you recall that? I don't remember actually now that I'm trying to think of if I wrote it down, but I don't think I did. Nope.

I didn't write it down anywhere. Okay. All right. Well, let's just see. The opening scene is in the Jeffreys tube. Torres basically is crawling through the Jeffries tube. And she comes across, say, 7 of 9 who's busy at work and reconfiguring the power couplings to help benefit the astrometrics lab. And Torres is not happy about that. She kind of dresses down 7. We've been trying to do this other thing in engineering and haven't been able to do it for hours.

We couldn't figure out why. and you're messing with the power coupling. So cut it out. You're messing it out. I like seeing Bologna and Seven in a scene together. I do too. It was an interesting, it was a different kind of power dynamic than with Seven and Janeway. It was like, I don't know.

It was, I wish there was more of that. I agree. And at the end of that scene, there is a little softening of Torres towards Seven because she does apologize. She says, sorry, you know, at the end. Well, she's, they talk about this idea of hierarchy versus the collective. And I thought that was an interesting concept because, yeah, Star Trek or Starfleet works on sort of a military hierarchy. So that people do have bosses and there is a chain of command.

And it's interesting, like the idea of hierarchy versus collective. There's something very appealing about we're all equal. we're all there are no bosses there you know but um yeah it's an interesting argument is the note i made i just thought i found that to be a really interesting moment i also thought about uh i think some of the fans told us after one of the recent episodes that roxan was pregnant at this point in our series and as she crawled through the tubes i was thinking was raxan pregnant and crawling through these tubes maybe it was very early on I don't know, but I was like, I remember things definitely changed with Bologna as her pregnancy

developed. You know, they put her in a lab coat. She was behind consoles all the time. She wasn't crawling through no Jeffrey's tubes. All right. So let's jump into the next scene. So now we're in sick bay. And it's a scene with the doctor and Paris.

So right. I was correct. There is Paris in here. See? I was right about that guess. You were right about that when we were talking about what do we remember. Yeah. I didn't remember any of this.

And you're right. I did think in the scene when I popped my head in, I say, hey, Doc, I'm going to run a few errands. I'll be back. What errands do people run on the ship? Like, you know, you got to go to the dry cleaners. You got to get to pick up your dry cleaning. You got to go grocery shopping.

You got to go over to UPS. You got to send that package. There's no errands to do. You don't do errands on the ship. Yeah, but then he does push you, though. He says, like, well, what are you talking about? Then you make up this whole thing about you got to turn in your con report. Yes, my con report.

Of course, it's very important. And by the way, he, like, walks up to me in that doorway. We were standing very close. You were. I felt like he was going to kiss me. I thought so, too. I saw. And I saw.

And I am just saying, you know, the doctor. Yeah, we don't know his sexual preference. It could be, yeah, it could be bisexual. We don't know. I also do remember that David Livingston love these close wide lenses. And so that's a classic David Livingston blocking. It's like walk up and stand five inches from each other's face.

And try to act normal. Try to act normal because people do that. There's no, there's no, there's no, he really doesn't take into account personal space that people typically have, right? So no boundaries, just get right up close. So now you lie and you leave and you perform a site-to-site transport. Yeah, I didn't know what was going on there. I had no clue either.

But then I saw. This feels bad. Like, I shouldn't be doing what else. I thought I thought you were like an agent for the marquee or so. Or doing marquee stuff or Kazon, you'd cut a deal with the Kazon. Who knows, right? It felt very ominous. Yes.

But then it turns out to be quite romantic. And you beam into exactly where Balana is and you have flowers and then you guys make out. We start the beginnings of a lot of making out. A lot of making out. Smooching. Not only do we make out, but we make out with an X-ray version of ourselves where you see our guts and our muscles and bones. If you ever had any questions about what you looked like on an X-ray, now you know.

It is not very sexy to see an X-ray. What was that exhibit, the body? Bodies, yeah. Bodies or something where they had real cadavers, I guess, you know. Yeah, and they just dissect them and you can see it inside. I felt like it was like the body's exhibition. Exhibition. I think so too.

Kissing version. Yeah. Yeah, it was gross. It was really gross. But now we know something nefarious is going on because we see these little alien symbols that are on the side of this image of you guys' x-ray image, right? So, well, you know, something's happening. Then we have the nice scene where Janeway's being massaged in her quarters by the doctor.

And what I made note was these are not real massage techniques. I actually just had a massage two days ago. And I don't, especially that move at the end where he shakes her neck vigorously back and forth, you can actually damage somebody's spine by doing that. So I don't even know. I know Bob was doing it for comedic effect probably. He probably thought, you know what, David, I think that I should do this to. I'm going to rock her neck back and forth.

What do you think about that? And I think David said, yeah, let's try it. And they did it. And it stayed in. But that was definitely not a real massage technique. No. No. No, I don't.

I don't think. But it was funny. It was funny. And that shot was cool too. The shot down below. And then the doctor kept kind of popping in and you'd hear them off camera. Yeah. I thought it was.

And you know what else I thought of as we watched that scene? You know, when actors have to do scenes like this where, like for Kate, where she had the towel around or whatever. You have to put on body makeup because the makeup that they would. Yeah, the makeup that they would put on her face wouldn't match her real skin tone. So they have to take this makeup. It's like a lot more time. much more time intensive and you can't touch things like you know the makeup comes off your arms and your neck and your shoulders and where you know so that's the first thing i thought i was like

oh kate had to do body makeup for this yeah which i always hated doing and speaking of makeup i mean all of us had pancake makeup on our face remember we all had heavy heavy makeup um in fact Megan was looking through a script that I had brought up to Calgary, a Voyager script. And she goes, were you eating food here? She goes, no, this looks like a fingerprint of like, is this makeup? I go, yeah, I guarantee you that's, that was, I remember they used to put the tissue papers here, yeah, tissue paper all around your neck so that the makeup wouldn't come off onto the, exactly, onto our wardrobe. But that stuff was everywhere.

And if you just, even if you scratched your face a little bit and then touched your script, then it would leave that makeup smear. you know, on the scripts. Okay. Yes. So funny scene for sure. And then she leaves because she has to go to the bridge. Chikote calls her.

And she forget. Yeah. And she, Chocote calls her and she starts to walk out. And then the doctor's like, aren't you forgetting something? Yes. Maybe you should put on her uniform.

So we know that she's a little off. She's a little. Yes. She's not the normal Janeway that we're used to seeing. On the bridge, Chikote briefs her about the binary pulsars that we've detected. Which, by the way, I don't think it was only theoretical when they wrote this in the script. Oh, wow.

Again, a little research after I was waiting for you to jump on here. Yeah, yeah. I read something about that there was a binary pulsar discovered in 2003, but that was after. Oh, my God. I think this was just theoretical. I don't think they had ever seen one. So maybe people can confirm that. But from what I was reading, it looks like we had sort of made this theoretical.

jump in our story, but it had not been found. So Star Trek Voyager ahead of its time, ahead of its time. Yeah. This binary pulsars pulling everything in its path. Yeah. And everything nearby is getting sucked in. Yeah. And Chikote says, hey, maybe we should hang out here, collect some data.

So thank God he did say that because it's going to come back to help us later, that binary pulsar thing. That is correct. And she says, I leave this in your capable hands, Chikote. Mm-hmm. So we go back over to engineering from here with a little more Tom and Boulana who are talking a little extra loud so that everybody in engineering can hear that they're just talking about work. Yes, work is important. It's more work talk.

Maybe we should talk about work up there in the balcony privately. It's very funny. I love, I wrote down in my notes, I love the look in Bala's eyes as you. you you go off camera and she follows you but her eyes are following you walk away and it's just that look she's got that look of naughtiness that little naughty desire desire look in her eyes and I thought well played by Roxanne Dawson well played yeah she did she did great she did great in this episode yeah um yeah and we cut to a hard makeout throwing her against the console all the beeping yeah you guys are you don't even care i know you're just rolling on all the buttons

We hit all the buttons. We hit every single button. And we probably, we probably blew up a couple of nearby planets. Don't you. With our, with our butt action. You blew up a couple of nearby planets. We probably did a lot of damage to things. Your button pressing using your, your rear end, whatever it was.

But I mean, if you're, if you're trying to be discreet, just why are you guys rolling on buttons? That's my question. Rolling on buttons right upstairs where everybody can see. We know how engineering. work it's you can you just look up you just look up and it's a clear it's a clear floor right so yeah it's like what are you guys doing very funny though that uh tuvok is the one that catches you but he doesn't say a thing right it's very awkward though you chase after him in the corridor and that that funny little awkward laugh that you do was hilarious you're like hey hey tuvok it was great i love that part

Mr. Tuvok, man. Hey, Mr. Vokin, hey, man. Yes. Yeah, Paris says to Tuvok, you know, hey, can you keep this? Basically, can you keep this a secret? Right. You know, you don't have to tell everybody about this. Right.

But what I'm wondering is like, why are Tom and Bolana so scared about, it just doesn't make sense, but I don't know either. The alien, the alien DNA things or messing with their hormones or something. So you're saying that's what it is? I feel like it's got to be some of, some of what's going on in this episode is real, Tom and Belana and some is amplified by this thing. It's manufactured. Yeah, I don't know why they're so.

Yeah. I mean, I guess it helps. It helps ultimately Janeway's reaction, which we'll talk about in a minute. Right, right. But Janeway, you know, has a lot. If we're selling that we're scared for people to find out and then she is really angry about it, I guess it all lines up, but I don't know why they would be so scared. Yeah.

Or maybe a little bit like, we should, you know, maybe not make out so hard up here, you know, right in the middle of engineering. But I don't know. Why am I chasing Tuvok? Like, please don't tell anybody. Oh, I'm so scared. Like, it just, it's, anyway, that was just like, why? I don't care. I mean, are there some type of regulation involved with no workplace,

relations? Is that it? Probably, there probably are. I mean, you know, I'm thinking about like at my work, if we had a couple of crew people like making out right on the set. It's frowned upon. It's not like encouraged, right? Public display of affection.

Yeah. You know, this is a workplace, not a, not a personal space. No. But it wouldn't be like, oh my God, you are fired and reprimanded and you make you kiss somebody near work. Yeah. I don't know. Okay.

Yeah. So we don't know. We don't know the answer. That sort of made me confused about how scared we were written and how we were playing. Both of us were like petrified. Anyway, you were very scared. And there's no backstory about that. There's no, there's no conversation in a prior episode about why you guys are trying to keep this secret in the first place, right?

No. So, okay. All right. Now we're in the turbo lift. We go to the turbo lift. I do remember filming the scene. This is the one scene you remember. I do remember.

remember this one. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was very sort of rom-comy and, you know, I love that sort of writing that Lisa did here. Yeah, the banter is great between the two of you. You discuss your relationship about whether to make it public, maybe, you know, it's this, this big conversation about about what's going on. And it's a little bit of like, wait, are you, what do you think? Well, no, what do you think? It was a lot of like, kind of walking on eggshell. Yeah. Are you saying what I think you're saying? Well, what are you saying? Yeah, that was fun. And then when she leaves the turbo lift, you give her this look. You look after her and then you look away.

Then you look back at her. I wasn't sure what you were doing on that in that scene. We said, you go first and then I'll come in later. So we don't want anybody to know we're coming together. So she leaves the turbo lift. And I'm like, all right. Is it a time now? Should I go now?

Okay, got you. So we're in the briefing room and Chikote is running this meeting. And he's talking about the binary pulsars and things like that and catching us up on things and then and then Janeway says okay dismissed and just as everybody's leaving she's like wait a minute uh lieutenant Torres and lieutenant Paris I need to speak to you yeah and Tuvac walks by Paris in the doorway and and and Paris is like thanks yeah it was kind of loud actually it wasn't a little whispery you were more like thanks like yeah you grunted at him but then but then we go into the scene yeah and I was like

I wrote down, why so mad, bro? Because Janeway was like, she was mad. Like, she took it personally. Yeah. I was like, why is she taking this person? Like, she's made out with a few people on this show. Like, why is she taking this so personally and like, really? Because she's being tweaked by the aliens.

That's why, right? But we don't know that. But I do, I did write down Tom. owes an apology to Tuvok because we find out, Tuvok didn't say squat to Janeway. It's like everyone else has been telling her about you guys making out. It wasn't even Tuvok. And so you really kind of, you know,

you dissed Tuvok quite. I know. Poor Tuvok. I owe him an apology. Okay. My do. All right. Good.

Chikote's quarters. He orders. He orders coffee. And then all of a sudden he convulses and falls, you know, he just something is, it's almost like he gets shocked by something, right? Some electric shock went through. his body. He goes to his sink. He puts water on his face and all of a sudden he sees hair in the sink and touches. His hair just comes right off. It's just gone. I wonder how they did

that. I don't. I couldn't figure it out. Is that CGI? I feel like it was of his effects. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he maybe they sometimes if you have something like that, they'll actually have the hair off and then they'll put in visual effects hair that that is supposed to be there. And then when you wipe it, they just take the vis-effects hair away and show you what, you know, the bald. Okay. They could have been that or it could have been, I don't know. So they wouldn't have put a bald cap on him and then applied hair that was looser of that area for him to smear it off like that?

Or is that too, is that too labor-intensive to do something? I think it's very labor-intensive, and I think it'd be cheaper and quicker to do a vis-effect. Okay. Because if you have to reset this hair every time you wipe it off or take two. Oh, that's true. Take forever. What a pain in the butt, yeah. Okay.

So a visual effect was used. used in this. Some version. I don't know exactly what they did, but yeah. Yeah. All right. So we're clueless. We have no clue what's going on. So now we're in sickbay and the doctor and Janeway are Wichikote. Yeah. And by the way, I wrote down this escalated fast because he's literally just lost some hair. And then and now second later, he looks like the walking or whatever. He's Benjamin Button. He's like the walking dead or something. It's like, wow. I will say this, though. He looks good as an old guy. I mean, he still looks quite handsome, you know, even though he's, yeah.

The other thing we learned in this is that his tattoo goes all the way back by his ear. Did you see? Oh, no. Yeah, the tattoo, when his hair is off, you see it going way back. Very observant of you. Yeah. It's got a couple of lines that continue in the hairline. So that means that tattoo was put on him when he shaved his head.

He shaved, yeah, he had to shave his head to put the tattoo on. I'm going to grew over it. All right. So he has some type of crazy advanced aging, right? That's what we know. Did you notice at the very end when they're leaving when Janeway? Well, Jane, well, basically Chikote says, I want to go back to work. I can still do this.

And the doctor says, no, we need to monitor you. Just stay here on the clamshell bed. And Janeway kind of consoles him. He's like, it's okay, we'll take care of. We can take care of things. We don't need you to leave sickbay. But when she's saying this to him, she's touching his inner thigh, which I thought was really, oh, boy, for all the J.C. shippers out there.

This is something they're watching, you know, going, oh, my God, what is this? Look at this. But she's very personal. We know that Chikote will manned spread in front of Janeway. And if he's going to manspread, he's got to be ready for a little inner thigh touching. Okay. And that's, I just, again, I just thought that was a little extra personal for the captain and her first officer, you know, to touch her first officer's inner thigh. Yeah, maybe I should have gotten mad at her and given her a lecture about public displays of affection.

But you weren't in that scene, so you couldn't do that. It's okay. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh, my gosh, so much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's been insane. Trip after a trip. You've been doing your impersonation of me. Yes.

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Yes. So I think I'm the only person in the entire crew that actually likes Neelix's cooking. I think this may be the first compliment he's ever received. And did you see Johnny Phillips? He lit up like a Christmas tree. Neelix was so happy. Neelix was so, he was like, yes. Of course.

I would love to get. He was just, oh, my God. I like your Nielix impersonation. You should do more Nielis from now on. That's good, man. That's good. But before we can even finish talking about what's happening with you and Torres, then some crazy crash happens.

And it's Nelix. He's convulsing. Now he's on the ground. And we run in there. And I find it so funny. Like, instead of you dropping to the ground, because there's two there's three of us in this shot you have you have to walk over neelix's convulsing body to get on the other side so that it saves room for me for the other side of him so that

when the can the reverses of us make sense right so i always think it's so funny that all of our all of our choreography or all of our blocking is really dictated by the camera like what does the camera need to see you know so yeah sometimes you just got to you got to do some blocking that may not be your first instinct but correct just to make it fit the lens i mean right yeah and david's the most famous for you know kind of forcing us into positions for his shot that's right make no sense sometimes but we do it yeah but we do it and it looks good the shots look good you know they do they end up looking they do uh yes neelix we go to sick bay and neelix now has spots all over his face in his hands it was a cool look by the way it does he looks kind of like

a giraffe or maybe a cheetah i don't know something from the the serengetty so it was quite interesting to see him like that he says that he uh i think he says he looks like a myleon or the doctor a myleon he says i resemble a myleon myleon myleon yeah which was um which was a neighbor of the talaxians that they he says that uh maybe his uncle or someone had married grandfather grandfather yeah so He has one-eighth of the genetics of a myelian. Of a myelium, yeah. Yeah. And his recessive DNA, the recessive DNA has been stimulated.

Correct. That's why. Correct. When he's looking in the mirror, though, that one moment where he sticks his tongue out and wiggles it around, you must have laughed on that one, right? Yeah, he's good. Brilliant. It's such a, he's a funny man.

Such a Johnny Phyllis move, yes, loved it. So now we're still in sick bay. There's a passage of time now, and Neelix and Chakotay are now, one-uping each other when describing their symptoms, which to me is such a great scene. Oh, I love this scene. This is kind of reminiscent of you guys, you remember, you remember jaws, right, the movie Jaws when they're drunk and they're comparing scars. They're one-uping each other on scars. And this is the same type of, you know, the same type of scene. And it's classic bit, but it was so funny to see them doing it. And that's a combo that we don't see

a lot. Never see them. And to see them both in these weird makeups that, you know, shoulder the shoulder going well you think that's bad yes i i also love how that that whole one-upsmanship starts with uh niels comes over and chikote goes do you smell that you smell something what's that smell yeah and nilis is like that's me yeah so good my my my lyin sweat glands have been stimulated or something yeah he's developing my lien sweat gang sweat glands yes oh my gosh well written and well acted by both gentlemen definitely very funny um so we find more crew members are getting sick and it's you know uh balana's helping the doctor trying to they're they're in the science lab just trying to figure out what is going on looking at microscope images and they detect

some alien technology yeah these tags these DNA tags in this alien almost like a like a barcode or something. Yeah, it did look like that. Alien barcode on the DNA. Yeah. I think the doctor says this level of sub-molecular technology is well beyond anything Starfleet has developed. So now we know this is super advanced, right? So the DNA we're looking at now, at least it's Chocote's DNA.

But then later we find out that everybody's DNA have these little alien markings on there. And just as Torres and the doctor start figuring things out about changing the, like the phase variants of the sensors and the ship so that we can kind of like try to detect something that that's not there that's when the doctor starts fritzing so his program starts to delete and then balana of course is trying to help him and then balana something happens to balana when she convulses and she passes out and falls on the ground and the doctor quickly punches in something into the into the computer and he but he disappears and his mobile meter drops down Moulometer drops down, so you're like, wait a minute, where?

What happened to him? What happened? What did he go? Yeah, we have no clue. We go to sick bay, and the doctor ends up in 7 of 9's head, basically saying, hey, I've detected this phase variance thing. Meet me in Da Vinci's workshop. Yeah. Don't tell anybody.

Yeah. And I wrote down that he's, you know, the doctor communicates with 7 through her audio implants, right? over Harry's dialogue. Now, if I had known that they were going to kind of turn down my audio that far down, I would have just said random things. I would have said like Plika Ryan Casserol is my favorite meal of all. I would have said just random stuff because you're not even going to hear any of that. Did they write all that dialogue?

Did they write it? Do you remember? I don't know. They may have just said, just start talking. Like, you may have just made stuff up. You think so? That would be my guess. I doubt they would write all this stuff to take away.

Maybe. Okay. I mean, there's a whole dialogue between me and Janeway and... But I bet you guys were just talking. I bet it said in the script something. That'd be my guess and somebody's got to have a script out there. Yeah.

Some fans got one so they can look up this moment. But I bet that it said, you know, as Harry and Janeway and Chikote continue to talk, we hear... That's usually how they script those things. like we hear this thing happening. I bet you guys were just like talking about craft service or something. That'd be my guess.

Or just making up something about the scene because they knew they were going to dial it out. Yeah, I was straining to listen. I mean, it is all on point. Like everything we're saying has to do with the scene. But my point being that if I had, if it was scripted where it wasn't improvised and it was actually my lines, if I'd known that the volume was going to be so low, I could have said anything practically. It wouldn't have mattered until the very end where you check back in. My audio was turned up. And I said, seven was checking that. You hear that. And that's when Janeway's

like seven, seven, come in, seven. And seven's like back in. And I want to say, I like that cinematic style, by the way. I like kind of when when a character sort of the world fades out around them and they're, you know, it's been used a thousand times. But it's a cool theatrical kind of style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. And I do feel that because they leave that scene with the camera on Harry looking down at Balana. Isn't it Balana on the Clownshel bit? Yes, Balana's one. So I felt that Harry had a lot of concern there for Balana.

But the camera should have been on Paris, I think, looking down at Balana to show his concern that his woman almost died. You know what I'm saying? So it was a weird choice of having Harry be the one kind of the end of that scene. had the lines you had the lines scripted so maybe and i don't think tom had any lines in the scene so yeah okay but i think you're right it should have just been a close up on tom yeah and everything else faded away yeah and just then you just hear tom's inner voice talking about how he's feeling yeah yeah i'm feeling a little i'm feeling a little i just sucked imagine that would be a I'm feeling a little gassy right now.

That would be a fun episode for us, like a bonus thing, to watch an episode with the sound off. And for us just to make up, like. And just make up the lines? Like what's going on in all the characters' heads? So our own mystery science, 3,000 kind of thing. Take the sound, turn it off completely. So we don't even know what they're saying. And we'll just sort of make it up about Janeway, what Tom's thinking, what Harry's thinking.

Oh, my God. Yeah, maybe we'll do a bonus. That would be hilarious. Maybe that can be our Christmas special. Maybe it'll be a spin on the Christmas special as you know. Hello. Okay. All right.

So now we're in the Da Vinci simulation. Yes. And the doctor is with seven. And he is. Some kind of art class. He's like an art teacher or something. No, he's sketching her, the holographic character. Yeah, but he's also telling her how to pose for the rest of the class.

Yeah. Because there's other people in there. Correct. He was like, I need you to turn your head this way. Right. And did you notice it was a little creepy how his finger kind of slid across her face. Like very weird like kind of creepy. That's how art teachers are. Renaissance art teachers all did it that way. No, I thought it was for camera maybe. I thought maybe they told Bob like, Bob, okay, we're going to go a little slower on your hand movement because the camera is not going to catch it or something. But it just ended up looking creepy. It was just like, oh my God. Why are you like? license move right there. Why are you running your index finger down this person's cheek? Because he just said, I need to turn your head this way. So just turn the head. You don't have to then go, eh, like that, and we're up across it.

Well, maybe. I don't know. Maybe he was playing a blind art teacher and he had to sort of feel the face so he knew what to draw. See, you always have a good answer for everything. Thank you. Bring it on. Yeah, man. he says that he says someone is leaving these genetic tags on all of our crew members

and they're causing genetic mutations this is the issue right and he uh he adjusts seven's phase variance so that she can maybe see what you know what where these people are that he detected that are that are out of or that right or that this was balana detected actually correct so this is balana's idea in the beginning before she convulsed and fell to the ground to pass out to adjust the ship's internal sensors to a small phase variance of 0.15. And so the doctor says he's going to do the same thing to her Borg sensory nodes to get that same phase variance. And maybe that'll help her see something that we cannot see. Right. But one thing that is interesting that I made note of that after he says, look around, do you see anything? And she's like,

no, nothing out of the ordinary. He says, that's one room down, 256 to go. So now we know there are 257 rooms on the USS Voyager. That's a lot of rooms. That's a lot of room. That's almost as many rooms as my house. That I did not know that you are royalty, Robbie. I have a big house. Wow.

258 rooms. But this is a wonderful piece of trivia for people that are playing Voyager trivia. How many rooms are on the USS Voyager? Answer, 257. Is this like how realtors sort of exaggerate? Like, it's a three and a half bedroom with a two and a quarter bath. And it's really like a studio plus a sink. Maybe this is a sort of exaggerate.

Like, does this count always as a room? Does this count like a turbo lift as a room? I don't know. It sounds like a realtor exaggeration. Trying to pump up the price on Voyager. Trying to take a PTA tear and say it's actually a mansion. Is that what it is? That's a lot of rooms.

That's a lot of rooms. So seven is now. walking around the ship with this new sensor her sensors are now adjusted to the point point one five phase variance and now she's seeing aliens everywhere conducting experiments on the crew weird like head gear it looks like an orthodontist yes strange contraptions attached to random people's heads yep and my note was these aliens are so advanced but yet they're using these old-fashioned contractions that are like attached to their heads like what yeah it's a little weird yeah it's just It was kind of creepy, all these props that were on their head.

And it reminded me of like torture devices. Like old, you're right. It was very old fashioned, not super high tech, but it was very effective in terms of feeling super creepy. Very macab, right? Macab is a word I could say here. And seeing these, yes, like old fashioned torture devices is what it looked like. You're right about that.

And so she informs the doctor that there are aliens everywhere. the doctor tells seven that she really needs to inform the captain about what's been going on. And now we go to Janeway's ready room where Tuvok enters to brief the captain about what's going on with the progress of dealing with the issues that he's dealing with. And she starts complaining about how lax the crew has become. And she's just going, she's just going on a tent. She's lost. She's lost it.

She's laying into Tuvok, basically, right? By the way, so the shot is sort of outside of the ready room window as the camera is. And then she's standing in the window looking out at space. Right. But as you and I remember on the set, there were steps that went up. And if you stood too close to the window, it was like, because there was no glass or anything there to stop your head from being further than it should be. Yes. Like your head could be out in space if you stood too close to this kind of diagonal window.

And I felt like, like she was too far out. I felt like her head was in space. I feel like they, this felt like one of those, David Livingstone wants this shot, you know, in the window with Tuvok. And so they were willing to put her head in space where it shouldn't belong. I mean, maybe there was enough room there. I don't know, but it seemed close to me. You know what this reminds me of?

Every NFL team has a get back guy. This is a staff member that is, telling the coaches and the players to get back from the line from the sideline because otherwise it's a penalty right you can't be a coach or be on the field and so we needed a get back person to push people away from having their head being in space you're too close you're going to be in space step away from the window yes yes oh my goodness um but this again she's she flips out and one of the funniest lines was when two box says shall i have them flogged which again Again, thank you, Lisa Klink.

You know, this is, this made me laugh out loud when I heard that line. So good. So I flog them as well. I love it. But while she's, you know, while she calms down a little bit, now there's another chime at the door. And it's seven. Seven comes in, you know, full head of steam, ready to tell the captain what's going on. And then she sees.

But she can see the aliens, invisible people. Yes. And she sees there's two aliens playing with. the chopsticks. Hey, I was right. The chopsticks in the head, right? That's the scene that I remember it so well. And now we get a really close look at these aliens. Really, you get a close look. And I call them the butterfly ear aliens. Their ears look like butterfly wings. So they're working on Janeway. Yes, they're working on Janeway. So Seven is like, well, I can't tell her now. So she leaves. And Janeway talks to Tuvok about when this is all done with,

I'm going to go on the holodeck to Renaissance Tuscany. So that's her dream. to be in Renaissance, Tuscany. And Tuvac says, I would join you for a glass of wine. For a glass of wine. It's a nice moment. I wrote, you know, this is a really nice friendship moment between Tuvok and Jane Way. Yes. I think that's a great relationship and really solid relationship for our show.

So then we go back to the holodeck. We see seven walking and talking with the doctor. And we see that this is an enormous set. It's like you see the art class down below. they're coming off some stairs super cool but like i can't believe we built that giant set just for a couple of scenes yeah yeah yeah very detailed period set that maybe paramount had one of those sets on the lot and so we didn't build it from scratch but i don't know it was that's possible it was a very involved set and did you ever film in that set i don't think i ever filmed

the Vinci set, as far as I can recall. I don't think so. Yeah. So then seven has observed 56 aliens in total. So far. Yeah, so far. And she's the one that suggests using a precisely modulated phaser beam to make the aliens look visible to the entire crew.

The doctor doesn't like this idea. He thinks that's not the right path to go down. And he thinks a neuroleptic shock will disable the genetic tag. and this is the way we should go. But the issue is that to administer the shock simultaneously, how do we do that? And Seven says, well, I can do something like that. The power relays can be reconfigured to do exactly that, just to administer the shock simultaneously. So she also mentions there's a lot of different security protocols that she has to bypass

in order to make this happen. So the next scene, we find her in engineering, and that's exactly what she's doing. She's bypassing security protocols, which of course, alerts to Vok on the bridge because he's had a security. And he's now, you know, he contacts seven and says, what are you doing? And she goes, oh, don't worry about it. No big deal. And he's like, no, cut it out. Yeah, stop. And he heads out immediately.

Yeah, because she says she's not going to. She goes, it's of no concern to you. It's fine, you know. So he runs, practically runs to engineering. He does. He gets there pretty fast. Yeah, he does. He's there like, I was wondering, did he do a site to site transport? I mean, that was just immediate. It was fast. Yeah, it was very quick. He was there fast and seven sees that there are some of these invisible aliens around and doesn't, she doesn't have time to explain all this or anything.

So she pulls out her phaser and shoots him and makes him visible. Yeah, and shame on Tuvok for allowing, this is like a police officer allowing his gun to be taken by a civilian. You know what I'm saying? And that's that's what happens. Tuvok's phaser is just snagged by seven and he doesn't even. block it or try to stop it. He's just, okay, it just happens. So slightly disappointed in Tuvok being security. He's had a lot of security training. He should have moves for that. He should have, yes. He should have like ninja moves. He should. But seven saves a day.

Actually, she's so fast that she's able to program the phase variance into the phaser and then shoot it at the one alien to make them visible, right? And now we have an alien hostage who is now in the brig and Janeway is interrogating this alien. The prisoner says that she's a scientist and, uh, and that, you know, she's sorry for any disruption, but they make these experiments as benign as they can possibly make. And, uh, and she talks about Janeway willing to kill for her people and yeah, she looks out for her people, just like the scientist is looking out for her own people. That's right.

And trying to save the lives of millions of her kind. so yeah which right off the bat i mean i'm sure you're thinking the same thing we're just thinking about animal testing for products for beauty products for for anything right i mean just all the testing that has gone on by major corporations uh in this world that we live in now so it's the first thing that comes to mine yeah yeah she says she does say to the captain she says you know we are more similar than you'd care to admit and janeway just freaks out and grabs her and slams her against the wall yeah but i got to say that moment didn't work for me because when you lose control like that. You don't come down off of it really. No, you're still going to be pretty

pumped up physically and yeah. And I felt like Janeway sort of like exploded and then came back. Pulled herself back to normal Janeway. Yeah. Way back. No, she should have been after throwing that alien against the wall. She should have pounded on the wall or something like that. It should have kept going. Yeah. Or something or you know, it felt like that moment wanted to be staged a little differently, with a little more, you know, build without kind of resetting back to one, which didn't happen. But that didn't work for me. So, that didn't work is the accent.

This is where I was noticing this accent. The New York accent. I was like, what is this strange New York style accent? I didn't hear that. But okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

But it is comforting to know that, at least in the Star Trek world, that Janeway says, exploitation of another species for your own benefit, even in the name of scientific progress, has been unacceptable on Earth for a very long time. So if that actually becomes the case on Earth where there's no animal testing or anything like that, that'd be quite wonderful. That would be great. The alien says, look, if the crew stops interfering with our tests, our experiments, I promise you, she says, this research will continue and the fatality rate will be minimal, though there may be some deformities. And we will be willing to, she goes, may consider sharing this data with you at the end.

Not a very good offer. Not a very good offer. And if you fight back, if you try to interfere, we're just going to, we're just going to cancel the entire experiment. We're going to terminate the experiment and the subjects within the experiment. So the threat is there. It's like, we're just going to kill all of you. That's it, you know.

And it's not a good bargain. It's not a good deal whatsoever. Nope. It's a lose, lose. Yes. But we do go back to the ready room. And we, you know, know at this point that we cannot disconnect these tags, these DNA tags. You know, seven suggests fighting them.

But Tuvok says, you know, we should avoid direct confrontation. Things get a lot worse. And then there's a calm call by some male voice that I don't know who that was going, Captain. We need you on the bridge immediately. I was like, who is that? Who is that? Some loop group, some L.A. loop group, random anonymous person. Yeah.

But it just sounded like a loop. It sounded very loop. Very loop-groupy. Yeah. And it just reminds me that one time they looped in Ayala's voice with, it was a loop group guy saying, you know, Lieutenant, I, I'll like yala here. And it's like, that's not, that's not Ayala's voice at all. So it's a loop group guy. Okay.

Yeah, but they go out there. And there's a crewman on the floor. veins all over her face who was that person on the floor i've never seen that person before i was looking i was watching that scene thinking god i don't even remember filming anything with this person just a random random background actor actress that was there for the day that was it yeah some movie didn't recognize but they died she dropped she died yeah uh on the bridge but it's her death that's that really the death of that crew members what off january she jumps down to take control of the she can't take it anymore he's going to drive right into these pulsars right into the binary pulsars

the binary pulsars and he doesn't care and the alien appears is like you shouldn't do this you're going to die and even even you know you and two vok and everybody's kind of saying captain this is probably going to die this is a binary pulsar yeah it's going to crush us yeah and she's just she's like a crazed woman she's like we're doing this accelerate through this thing and finally the aliens freak out and we well two ships right one one one releases and gets away the other one explodes so we got a little bit of payback it's like ha ha take that yeah right yep they can't handle it like the voyager no um the voyager that's right so strong and stalwart yes yeah but the aliens run they detach their ships and

Janeway hits the gas, accelerates right through this binary pulsar. It's faster. Big shakes, big light coming at everybody's face there. But all that drama, we do survive. And Harry says that. I can't believe we're alive. Yeah. Is it even possible, the note I wrote?

I'm like, if there were a theoretical binary pulsar that's sucking in like at twice the strength of a regular black hole or whatever. Yeah. I don't think we would have made it. I don't think it's even. scientifically possible. And the title of this episode is the scientific method. I think we just,

I think we broke science with that driving through. But anyway, we broke science. Let's just say, yes, we defeated science. Yes, yes. We were able to fly through a binary pulsar without any significant damage, really. Science was vanquished by the Voyager crew. Okay. All right.

So we're live, which is good. Time cut. Yeah, we hear in a captain's log, I think that the doc has neutralized the tags. Yeah. We've removed all this alien tech. Everything's good. And we're on a date with Paris and Bologna. Where are they?

Is that Tom's quarters? Tom's quarters, I think. I think it's Tom's quarters, yeah. Yeah, they're having dinner. They're eating salad. One thing I noticed was there was a two shot. So just the two of us in a kind of a medium shot. Medium two shot, yes.

And there was no coverage for like, a long time. That is true. Normally you have a two shot and then you come into, you know, over the shoulder shots and different angles and so you can pace it up or there was no cover. It was just the two of us there for a long time. Yeah.

It's almost like a play. You know, it's very, very much like live theater or something. Yeah. The camera didn't move. Yeah. It was no coverage. We just played out our date scene. I thought it was cute.

Yeah. I'm okay with that though, right? I mean, you're not bothered by the fact. that he stayed in that too, right? No, it was fine. It was good. Okay. It was good.

Yeah. Oh, Harry interrupts. Harry interrupts. I knew that was me. Did you know that was me too? Like, did you, when you heard the bing boom, did you know that it was my character coming? I didn't remember that. I was like, I bet you a million dollars.

That's Harry. And sure enough, it was me. I was like, I knew it. Yes. It was very funny. You were like, oh, that smells good. Yeah. The door show.

I'm amazed that I, my, my, my, was it my olfactory senses? or is that what I'm saying? Is that my, yeah, I think so. My olfactory senses are so refined that I can smell salad, okay? I mean, I can smell lettuce. You can smell lettuce. It's hard to smell lettuce. I'm like a dog.

I can smell everything. Yes. All right. So you hang, you basically slam the door on me. I do. Shut the door on it. In a comedic way, but yes. In a community way.

You don't even say, sorry. You just, that's why it's funny. It was very funny. It was good. It was a good scene. I agree. And then you guys, make out? Yeah. We make it out earlier and then I interrupt you? Or did you make? I think there's

there's been so much making out. I lost track in this episode, but there's a lot of noisy kissing. And I think it was just a little much. Yeah. So instead of scientific method, this should have been called the makeout method. The making, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The making out methods. I feel like that would have been a more appropriate title. Yeah. What's your theme, man? What's your theme? What's your theme? My theme. I literally wrote down, don't make out at work. That's my theme. Stop making out at work. Okay. The theme is, for those of you watching at home, you shouldn't make out so much at work or your boss is going to get madly, Janeway. Okay. I just said that conducting experiments without consent is unacceptable. That's all I wrote.

that's good that's good but make this was a hard work it is hard because like you can because this is not easy to find a thing this is what i was saying in the beginning i feel like it's a it was a fun watchable episode but in the end i was left a little unsatisfied because i'm like what is the lesson here i don't make out at work is that really the lesson or experimenting is is wrong on you know without consent or something who would want to be experimented on with consent i don't know but yeah people that need money so yeah maybe right test trial subjects whatever people do that all the time where they volunteer for something i guess but it just seems like a weird it seems like it just feels like a theme that's obvious like

it's not it's too obvious it's not hidden it's not an underlying there's not like an insight a really nuanced insight into the human condition it's just like don't experiment on people no yeah that's about it okay so all right all right well that was good what's next week oh boy next week is year of hell Part one. This is a big... We're bringing into some big stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

It is. It is. I'm excited, though. All right, everybody. Thanks a lot for joining us. We'll see you next week. Thanks, everybody. And stay tuned, Patreon patrons, for your bonus material.

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