The Delta Flyers - Season 8

Starting point is 00:00:00 Greetings and salutations, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow Voyager actor, Robbie Duncan McNeil or Robbie D or Robbie D or Robbie McDunk or just, hey, McNeil. RDM, RDM, RDM, RITM, has anyone said RITM to you? No, I don't think anyone has said Ritom. Hey, Ritom. I came up with the new one. What's up, Rhythm?

Starting point is 00:00:38 Okay, it's good. All right, and myself, your favorite, forever, and said, Garrett Wong. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a patron at patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers. Wow. Hello, sir. Ooh, I'd almost forgotten how to do an intro since you've been enjoying it for so long. I've been doing the whole last season

Starting point is 00:00:58 of episodes, but it's nice that you came around for this kind of end of our run of the Voyager episodes. So we have decided everybody that today we're going to talk about season eight of Star Trek Voyager. If Voyager continued for another season, we did not end at season we did not end in orbit of earth if we didn't do that what would happen what would happen to tom paris and harry kim and all the other characters all your favorite characters in voyager what plot

Starting point is 00:01:37 lines what what shoe strings would have been tied up because there's a lot of you know there's a lot unanswered questions so here's i have a i had a few thoughts because i was i was stressing about this episode this podcast episode really kind of like i was stressing about doing the christmas episode the first time you were so you were cool as a cucumber and I kept looking because that was silly in you know that was silly I thought yeah that's the thing I didn't realize that whenever it comes to silly that's your that's easy fine with silly that you are so fine with doing silly or finding the funny right but doing serious you got nervous and doing serious because that's all I seem to do or all I get cast for serious dramatic roles that's where I'm most comfortable where I feel like yeah fine

Starting point is 00:02:24 We can figure something out. Yeah. Well, this one made me a little nervous. I was thinking about it a lot. And one thing, I think, that would have happened in season eight. Yeah. That if we had done, if we had gotten back to Earth and season eight was all about the fallout of or the, or the, you know, the result of seven years in the Delta Quadrant. Yes.

Starting point is 00:02:49 I think our season eight would not have been at all like the series where. It was very episodic, right? There was a, you know, a story of the week. I think season eight would have been much more serialized. It would have been much more long story arcs over the whole season because in a way, going back to Earth is more serialized. You've got to connect the dots. You can't just have an episode where the doctor writes a book and it doesn't connect to anything else. You know, so I think season eight would have been much more.

Starting point is 00:03:24 more arced out with longer stories. I really do. Okay, I agree with that. The ending was so abrupt, and we just see the ship flying towards Earth, the armada with Voyager heading back to Earth, but we don't know what happens. Well, let's just talk about the sequence of events. Okay, so the last thing that we see is Voyager in orbit, and Janeway says set a course for home and thrusters, Mr. Paris, or whatever, and we're gone.

Starting point is 00:03:54 go back and that we don't see anything beyond that so really you know if we pick it up from there clearly there's going to be this grand reception right we get back there will probably be a parade larger than when a Super Bowl team wins the Super Bowl because we've been gone for that long I mean this is a huge thing I'm guessing this would have taken place in San Francisco right in the I would think so yeah that would have happened yeah I think the first episode of season eight is going to be celebration it's going to be all excitement and and i'm going to say that there's going to be this crazy like all the all all the all the voyager main players we are eating food like never before because think about it we've been eating neelix's food which is fine some of us like it but most of us are

Starting point is 00:04:42 like okay we'll get by this is sustenance for us it's not the best tasting food but it's sustenance. So I feel like in that first episode, celebration and all of us just picking out on just, you name it. Like, you know, let's just get, well, I'm ordering lasagna. I'm ordering chicken cordon blue. I'm ordering, you know, a prime rib. Like, everyone's going to be going into this food coma. Like, you know, and that's kind of funny. I feel like that first, yeah, I feel like that first episode is this, this celebration, this like, yes, eating and just being back in real earth right but you can't have a full hour of an episode of just celebration so there's got to be I think it's celebration and then I think as the celebration it's the reunions the reunions of the

Starting point is 00:05:26 loved ones everyone's family I feel like everybody's reunions okay so let's go through him Janeway reunions with who does she go up to Mark and say hey I'm back is Mark and the question is it has Mark moved on is Mark's moved on he's moved on so that's gone right yeah I think there's a great opportunity with Janeway, seeing Mark, seeing that he's moved on. She has to get the dog back. The dog is still alive, okay? He's got to get her dog back. I'm going to say that dog was probably two when she left and nine when she got back.

Starting point is 00:05:59 So that's still alive, definitely. Yeah. Right? I feel like in that scene, it would be amazing to see her heartbreak of he's moved on. She's got her dog. And then she also, as Mark leave, she looks over and there's Chakotay, you know, 7. Maybe Chacote is introducing, you know, Chucote and Seven's aunt is there, you know, the one that we saw on her. Yes, yes. And there's a wonderful, happy reunion. And James, so are you saying that,

Starting point is 00:06:28 yes, you're saying everyone is, sorry to interrupt you, but you're saying everyone is at the same location. So it's during one of the celebrations that all the relatives are there. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I think so. I think it's like a formal, the formal reunion where everybody's meeting for the first time at, you know, Starfleet headquarters. or something if they're right okay so continue so you see um uh seven with her aunt yeah for sure seven and chocote and seven and chocote are you know coupling it up they are you know in the romance phase of a relationship and they are happy and jane way i i feel like it's i feel like that moment is sad like she sees chokote yeah some regret but i don't want her mark meeting to happen

Starting point is 00:07:12 here okay so i feel like in this this big thing that's everyone, because Mark has already moved on. I feel like that. I would like that in a separate scene where she travels to Mark to go get the dog. I mean, I'm just saying, you see what I'm saying? Because then she can really just, what if we have a scene where she's just bawling with him? All this emotion comes out would be crazy to see, but be awesome. But if we separate it, it'd be kind of nice, right?

Starting point is 00:07:35 Where we see her, like, looking at Chikote with seven and feeling like, oh, man, you know, just feeling some weird feelings there. Yeah, just a little regrettable. Like there could have been something there for Chacote and her, but she couldn't do that while she was out in the Delta Quadrant. She stopped herself. Things have moved on. Yep. If they stayed on that planet with that bathtub, they would have been a couple.

Starting point is 00:07:59 Yeah. They would have been a couple because that would have, you know, they wouldn't have been able to leave that planet. So they would have said, okay, let's proceed. Let's go to the next step. Okay. So then who else is going to meet Seven's family? And I think Chakotay's father is still alive. Ooh, maybe.

Starting point is 00:08:21 Maybe. I feel like there's got to be someone. Someone from his some cousin or brother or sibling from his tribe. But would there also be Maki friends there too? Well, here's the thing about the, I mean, funny you bring this up. Because I think the, okay, here's take a step back from this first episode. Let's go back. For season eight.

Starting point is 00:08:41 Yeah. There are some unanswered. issues between who maquis we had half a maki crew and half starfleet right while we were gone as i understand it yes the cardassian war has ended the maquis were either killed or rounded up because they were all terrorists correct and so there's no maquis left okay so is chakotay in in uh handcuffs because he that's what i'm saying like how do they deal with that I think that our money, they have to give them a pardon because they melded, right? They became one crew.

Starting point is 00:09:20 They became a Starfleet crew under Janeway. But I think there's some season long story with the marquee left in season eight. I don't think we're done with the marquee, even though the marquee are mostly in jail. Right. I think throughout, that's why I'm saying. I think it's a serialized season where they find out. Chiquote maybe and Bala and some of the other Maki on Voyager actually go to the prison. to visit some of their friends, you know, and talk with them.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And maybe there's some tension and drama there where the marquee felt like they were abandoned by Chikote and... I think so. I think they're torn a bit during the season with this marquee issue. And I think that's going to with Tom and Boulana become a problem. There's going to be some conflict there. So there'll be some conflict there. We can bring it right in some...

Starting point is 00:10:09 Yeah, I think that's like halfway through the season eight. Sure. So the marquee is one issue that we haven't dealt with. Correct. It's going to be a big part. Come back. We're going to go, you know, we started the pilot with half marquee, half Starfleet. Season 8 is going to have some of that story throughout the season, I think.

Starting point is 00:10:28 For sure. I think we have not dealt with Janeways breaking the prime directive over and over and over again. And in fact, like, when they come back, And again, this is season. I'm taking a step back from this first episode. But I think when they find out that Janeway from the future broke the temporal prime directive, went back in time and got them here. Now the timelines grew. So there's some issues.

Starting point is 00:11:00 So some issues to tie up there with timeline issues. Yeah, I do. That's fine. Those could be some great up. That could be a whole, that could be a very long arc. That's a, I think that's a whole season. That's a whole season arc, yes. I think that's Janeway's arc this season, is to try to fix the temporal timeline.

Starting point is 00:11:18 Okay, that's a good direction. Go back and fix it. I think that's a season eight arc. And I think the other season eight arc is, I think with seven being Borg and now being on Earth, I think there's going to be some problems with that. And also, we came through a Borg, what was it called, the thing that got us back home, a Borg a trans work conduit trans work conduit yeah but they've got these all over

Starting point is 00:11:47 they got a network of this right well I mean we destroyed that network kind of we set that one off but there are other options yes there's other I guess what I'm saying is total of six in the yeah they had some of these trans work conduits we blew up the network but the collective and the queen's dead but the collective the computer the AI of the Borg yeah is still going They know how to make.

Starting point is 00:12:12 Is it? Because when the queen, remember when she went, when she finally died, died, then there is that exterior space shot of the complex where she was at exploding, like everything, like the entire central headquarters of Borgdom was being blown up. Do you remember that shot? I do. So I don't. So who's there.

Starting point is 00:12:35 Well, I mean, okay. So, here's what I'm getting at. I'm being coy with all this. Oh, be cool. Seven still. alive and seven was very special to the queen wasn't she yes she was i think seven's going to have some borg issues in season eight okay is what i'm getting at yeah yeah i think she's going to have some borg issues i hear i think when the queen dies you got to find another queen right yeah see where

Starting point is 00:12:59 i'm going with this i hear where you're going with this but i would like to see this as a season one cliffhanger where you hear something where she starts hearing some borg voice and that's the big that's the arc for all of season two. Season two, what do you mean? I mean, season nine, excuse me, season nine. Well, here's another thing. Because if you're saying it was Janeway trying to change a temporal prime directive, then you throw another huge storyline of seven doing that.

Starting point is 00:13:23 You're putting so much. But I mean, here's what I think. Here's my season eight in my mind. Yes. And again, I'm taking a big step back. And by the way, go ahead. Janeway, go ahead. I think Janeway is feeling a little.

Starting point is 00:13:38 responsible for some mistakes she made. Okay, that's fine. And particularly the future Janeway temporal prime directive. I'll buy that. That she, that is her mission for season eight. Great. I think for seven, she's still got Borgnanaprobes in her. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:00 And I think when the queen died, what I imagine is that it starts off really good for Seven in Chakote. They're in the romance phase. And then weird stuff starts happening halfway through season eight. She's like having nightmares and she's not feeling human. Like she's reacting to all of these human feelings. And this connection with the Borg that's still happening somehow. She's hearing voices, having nightmares.

Starting point is 00:14:25 That starts up. And at the same time, halfway through, Janeway says, hey, seven, you need to help me get back through. We need to go back in time and stop Janeway from coming through the time. work you know she came through wait who's telling her that who's telling her that janeway says seven yes the only way to do this is to is you know we came through a trans warp conduit yeah are there more you know she finds out that seven's got still got some connection to the borg so seven and janeway have to team up halfway through to close all the conduits basically to close all the conduits and to go back to go back to when janeway came from the future stop that from happening

Starting point is 00:15:08 if Janeway from the future dies in that attempt. Wait, Janeway, okay, so current Janeway wants to stop future Janeway from coming back again? Is that what you're saying? Yes. But then we would, but then if she does that, how is she got to go, jump it? No, but if she stops that, she'll never, then she, we wouldn't be, we would, we would not be back in the alpha quadrant then if she stops that. It's Admiral Janeway that brings us back early.

Starting point is 00:15:35 How do you, how do you, there's got to be something to fix the temper. Burrell timeline for Janeway in Season 8. I was with you on not making this like a cliffhanger at the end of season 8. I'm with you starting with 7 having these nightmares in the beginning of season 8. That's fine. And in fact, immediately when you said

Starting point is 00:15:52 nightmare, I immediately thought one of the nightmares would be she'd be lying in bed and she just opens her eyes, turns over and assimilate and tubules come out and assimilate and it starts to assimilate Chakote. That's one of the nightmare. Yeah. His whole face starts turning Borg. So that's one of the nightmares there. So yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:08 Yeah. I think there's some Borg stuff to happen. And I love the idea that seven is being lured into almost becoming the next queen. Like, come back. Yes, there you go. Come back. She's the protege. She's the protege. Right. She's going to be the next queen. That's her arc for the season. That's fine. What we did not complete was the homecoming meetings. So let's go through those. So we already said for seven would only be her aunt. For Janeway, I'd, I said I'd like another scene away from the Starfleet Headquarter reunion, right, with Mark. Then Chiquotay with a couple of his, you know, family members, maybe his father, he's still alive. And then we go to Tom. So it would be your dad. Admiral Paris would be there. Have we established other family members for Paris?

Starting point is 00:16:57 No. How would that meeting look like? What would that meeting? I think in the beginning in this first episode of season eight, it would be a great meeting. It would be like lots of emotion. hug you and does he hold you tight and all that and show all the emotion he never showed you when you were younger i think he does i think he shows a ton of emotion i think tom does too but you do see some drama and conflict happening later well yeah and here's the drama and conflict

Starting point is 00:17:24 i think for tom and his dad yeah he comes back and you know they because of this loss you know his father thought he had lost him and and that's why there's so much pressure put on this relationship and i think tom's arc with his dad in season eight is tom comes back his dad is so happy to see him so proud of him for becoming the man he is now that his dad wants to i think in season eight his dad tries to like clear tom's record and tom's like wait wait a minute but i did those things i think tom i think admiral paris wants the perfect son again in a new way way he's like no you've changed so none of that that shouldn't be on your record you shouldn't be have a prison record you and you don't want that expunge from your record no I don't want

Starting point is 00:18:17 that you want to keep that stuff and like that's part of who I and I think so Tom has really made a evolution to and there's going to be some conflict there and at the same time he's kind of wait a minute now my dad who was so disappointed in me is now at the other extreme thinks that I'm I'm perfect and I'm not. So there's that he's dealing with. And then the Tom and Balana stuff, I think Balana initially when she gets back, she decides

Starting point is 00:18:48 she just wants to focus on being a mom. I think she's like consult Starfleet. Well, she tries to be a mom. Okay. Okay. And they're going to have this happy family. Yes. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh. So much already.

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Starting point is 00:20:09 Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details. But let's continue with the meetings. So with Balana, her dad is there. Yes. Her dad is there. How did that go? How do you see that going?

Starting point is 00:20:20 I think it was good. Again, I think the beginning of season eight is celebration. Yeah, for everybody. It feels like happy ending. And then some cracks in the relationship started having. Yeah. yeah okay but i think in that that initial meeting with her dad yeah it's good it's um i think balana feels really emotional about it i think you know what i want her um i want her uncle also in the

Starting point is 00:20:47 at the headquarters at starflea headquarters that reunion i want the uncle and the two kids the cousin the cousin who used to tease her and the sister yeah there was a boy and a girl right to a boy cousin a girl cousin and the boy cousin put the uh the frog or whatever it was a snail on her food so yes i want them there grown up and i want them you know i want some type of redeeming scene there where they're yeah you know where they sort of apologize oh yeah where he was like hey you know i was an idiot when i was a kid you know we're so proud of you i mean we everybody talks about you you are you are the star of this family you're the highlight of of the family basically you know so yeah the torres family you're the rock star

Starting point is 00:21:29 and i just want to i'd love to see that scene just to love to see that scene just to love to see that too yeah okay keep going and i think that was she when she feels all this love and all this family that's why balana decides early in season eight to be mom and i'm going to be a full-time mom family first so is she consulting though is she consulting with she's consulting yeah because she's super smart so she doesn't she doesn't stop working but she's like oh those would be great scenes if janeway is calling trying to call balana and she's in the midst of she's nursing she's she's making baby food whatever, that'd be awesome, right? To see that sort of, yeah, yeah, what do you need, Captain?

Starting point is 00:22:05 Oh, right, okay, let me give you. You could try this, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Yeah. I think the thing that happens for her is, you know, family first kind of is her thing. I'm going to do that. Yes. And then I think she realizes that this marquee thing comes back around. Because even though the Cardassian Wars over and the Maquis are.

Starting point is 00:22:32 We're all terrorists and all of her friends are jailed, but she's given a pardon. She feels guilty about that. Oh, most of them. And I think what's going to happen in season eight is that there's a few scattered marquee that are left that are not in prison, hiding. Oh, they are in hiding. Okay. And they make contact with her.

Starting point is 00:22:54 And they start saying, hey, we were treated horribly. Like the way that they treated us when they arrested us, like terrorists, start treat it. And she starts kind of going down that darker road again, even though she's got this family. And so I think she's going to try and work with these underground marquee who are scattered to try to get the marquee redeemed or freed or something. And she's willing to break the rules to do it. And that's sort of her mission. And she and Tom, because Tom's going to start to find out about it. And Tom's going to be like, wait a minute. I used to be a rule. but this is not the right thing to do.

Starting point is 00:23:34 There's going to be a lot of conflict with them. And I feel like that arc for Tom and Balana and Maral, their baby, is that near the end, they're going to break apart. It's going to break them, that marriage for a while. And something's going to happen in season eight for Balana, where she's doing this thing she really believes in, but she realizes at some point she's in a situation

Starting point is 00:24:04 where Moral is at risk where Moral is you know the baby is at risk and she decides family first it's not Maquis first it's not Starfleet first it's family first

Starting point is 00:24:18 and she somehow she and Tom sort of reconcile work together family first and that's sort of their arc I feel like for yeah like

Starting point is 00:24:30 Tom's able to kind of address his rebellious past and deals with it with his dad, deals with it with her breaking rules and not wanting to go down that road, not wanting to be perfect. She goes down the darker path of like the marquee

Starting point is 00:24:46 and I think that would be very cool. It is, it is, but I also feel like you can hold off on that and that could be season nine. I don't know. There's so much stuff you've already mapped out right now,

Starting point is 00:24:58 which I'm very impressed by. Got to have a lot of story in season eight yeah you do you do um so yeah but okay let's keep going on the people on all of our main people so let's go to tuvok so tuvac um it's going to be his wife right to paul will be there he's going to see his wife and all his kids right doesn't he have multiple children yeah it's going to be a beautiful again it feels like a happy super super happy story in the beginning but something's going to happen to where his the thing he's dealing with his his his sinility his well isn't okay but his no isn't he doesn't he do the vulcan mind meld with somebody

Starting point is 00:25:36 well he he needs to do that yeah he's going to have to get that done and he'll be healed from his his mental issues yeah but here's what happens for him okay go so he's back it's really happy reunion but they realize oh something's up we got to do this mind meld thing with family members right yeah so a couple episodes later they're you know they're finally ready to do that they've got this family member they're going to do it and when they do it it doesn't work quite right and you know why it doesn't work because he was two vix oh he was too vix he still has a little bit of neelix DNA in him so he's not exactly himself oh now what they need is they need neelix uh we've got to grab neelix from the delta quadrant to bring him back that's part of janeway's

Starting point is 00:26:26 going back dude yeah that's like janeway needs to got to get neelix back here hey we got to get neelix back to save tuvok because he was tuvix we need a little neely to help out the tuvi okay i like it good yeah so that's a that's an arc for for two vok which kind of dovetails into what jane was trying to do you're trying to go back and fix the timeline kind of doves tails into sevens being drawn into the borg and she's going to help them get back at Neelix. Ultimately, I think we do get through somehow. Janeway breaks a bunch of rules like she always does. And does get back. But what Seven doesn't tell them while she's doing her part to help is that she's being kind of groomed for the next queen job. And she's going to have to make a decision

Starting point is 00:27:15 about what to do. Here's where I think the funny for season eight's going to come. Harry. Harry King. All Harry then. Okay. I literally think Harry goes on like a rock star tour of the delta of the alpha quadrant in what manner what is he doing he's the guy who's like everybody else is you know tom and balano want to go make a little home and yeah and you know is harry motivational speaking is he going around talking about the motivational speaker he's going around to all these bases and visiting ships but he gets dragged into this rock star mentality oh my god So he starts out being, and Tony Robbins, so he's being kind of motivational. He's going to go down.

Starting point is 00:28:01 He gets pulled into this sort of famous, I'm a famous, you know, rock star guy now. Yeah. And he's buying all the hype and he's buying into it and kind of he's getting the big head. He's got the girls. The girls love him. Yeah. And his mom and dad, so back to that reunion episode. Like his mom and dad are so proud of him.

Starting point is 00:28:22 Yeah. And they're like, they want him. him to be a captain or an admiral like they want him on back on that track but he's drawn into the rock star life and so that's our comedy for the season is a all the harry kim escapades of uh and you know maybe if he goes down that where it seems to be dark sometimes right if he if it gets when it gets to the darkest for harry when he starts really kind of just he's having a little too much synthol or yeah or whatever it may be day and up with the ladies yes yes but maybe it's liby his ex-fiancee that finds him sort of in that gutter that proverbial gutter and just shakes him as

Starting point is 00:29:06 like harry what are you doing and we bring back the same actress that played uh oh that'd be good to be back then yeah so i thought you know maybe that's that's his wake-up call or something or maybe it's tom that picks harry up out of the gutter that'd be a nice one too because tom you know yeah Yeah. Tom would be great. I also wonder if there's something in season eight where Harry has to deal with the idea that he's a duplicate. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because he's been so busy up until now. He hasn't really thought about it, right? So now he's got some time. Maybe there's some existential questions that Harry has for himself. He's trying to be introspective and just trying to figure out. Or maybe it affects him where he can't figure it out. And that's why he's kind of kind of. kind of going off the deep end in a way. You know what I'm saying? That's the root reason why he's buying into the rock star thing,

Starting point is 00:29:59 hanging out with thousands of women, you know, and doing whatever, drinking drugs, you name it, because he can't deal with the fact that he's not the real Harry. That's really messing with him. That's a great idea. I think that would be a really interesting arc of those things happening for Harry. I love that throughout the season. The other thing I think that's in season eight

Starting point is 00:30:21 that would be very cool is that, you know, maybe in the first episode or two, we see them on Voyager, you know, that's back. But I think that Starfleet takes the ship itself into like, you know, dry dock or to examine it or to like go through it or they just want to, you know, like they take it out of commission, Voyager's out of commission. Yeah. So that we bring it back at the end of season eight in the last few episodes. Sweet.

Starting point is 00:30:48 Okay. That we have to like Janeway's plan and Seven's issues. and all that, they have to go get this thing that's supposed to be protected. Right. So the Admiral Janeway timeline where when we watched the finale, Voyager became an actual museum,

Starting point is 00:31:04 that will not happen in our season eight, correct? The Voyager is not a museum. I don't think it'll happen. I don't think it's even at the museum stage yet. They're still in season eight sort of, they're going over this with a fine, you know, DNA evidence and fine tooth comb. So it's in, it's in, you know, dry dock.

Starting point is 00:31:21 examination phase most of the season. So every millimeter of Voyager is being examined basically. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. And we didn't talk about the doctor. Yeah, no. We also, yeah, we didn't talk about. Also, we have to talk about Nelix as well. So we have to talk about Nelix, the doctor. We did talk about seven already. And Nelix, I think, I hate to say it, but I don't think Nelix is around much until we figure out because of the Tuvix thing. Tubix issue, yes. How to help Tuvok. So I think he comes in the last. No, but why can't we see what, you know, why can't we get a status report or status update on Neelix with his new bride or whatever? Like, we could have a, you can have a scene or two there of just showing Neelix what, you know, what he's up to.

Starting point is 00:32:05 Or, wait, wait, no, communicating with him? Yes, exactly. Because member seven was playing Catascott with Neelix in the episode. They showed that. So maybe she resumes her. Yeah, but we were in the Delta Quadrant. Like, the only way we could send messages before was through the, you know, the message. machine or whatever the array we still do that we can still do that with neelix from the alpha quadrant

Starting point is 00:32:26 to the delta quadrant using the same array so we see him pop in but we don't really get him physically with us until like the last third of the season no no but we don't I mean we still we should have neelix in in every episode of season eight a little bit of or every uh maybe every third or fourth episode maybe but at least someone either seven um whoever it may be someone is janeway maybe is in contact with him sort of like hey how's it going give us give us a low down and he's just going through his life as a stepdad as a as a new a new husband uh with dexa i think there could be something if janeway and seven start working together to try to go back and fix this timeline i think the doctor could be pulled into here's what i think happens to the doctor

Starting point is 00:33:16 in season eight i think he gets back and initially he's part of the team right he's He's one of our crew. He's a hero. But then he's sort of, he's sent back to the lab where he was created and his program. He's like one of many. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:37 Could you, okay, just pause for a split second. Remember the episode at the end, which showed the many, many doctors? So could our doctor get back to Earth and become an activist in trying to get all the other EMH Mark 1's out of cleaning warp cord, warp cord crap and stuff, right? I mean, they're all doing menial labor right now. And maybe he's the one there that becomes, in his own way, a rock star for his own hologram people,

Starting point is 00:34:05 his own EMH mark one, fellow EMHR. Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it. He's sort of an activist for that. And he's, but I think he's got to at first have the kind of down time of like, where's all the excitement? Like, I used to be, you know, on a ship exploring, you know, I was a command hologram. And now I'm in the lab again. Like, I'm bored.

Starting point is 00:34:29 I think he's got to go through a little bit of boredom. Then he discovers this purpose. Then don't put him in a lab. Put him in an apartment or a condo or townhome where he's just sitting around like, you know, because he is a sentient being now, right? I mean, we've given him all these rights. So why is he at the lab? He doesn't even have to be in the lab.

Starting point is 00:34:46 He's got the mobile emitter, right? He's got the mobile emitter. He could just be anywhere he wants. Is he the only one with the mobile emitter? Do they start to? No. I mean, I guess they can reverse engineer it. But here's the thing, though.

Starting point is 00:34:58 That's 300 years in the future technology. How are you going to figure that out? He's the only one. Let's say he's the only one. Okay. So now he has his regular life, his home, his, and he's trying to, you know, just make it as a individual, basically. And you're right.

Starting point is 00:35:13 He's bored as hell. He's like, what's going on? I'm not. And I think there's probably a lot of. bias against him because people on earth don't look at holograms like we did we know we learned to to yes look at him as a you know an equal number but right and everyone on earth already knows him as an emh mark one all the emh mark ones on earth are are digging in caves and they are a cleaning cleaning warp core crap you know they're not they're not doing anything um other than the most menial

Starting point is 00:35:46 of tasks and it's just it's slave labor is what it is it's horrible right so um hard labor is what it is so yeah so i think i think the other thing that the doctor has a key to when jane went from the future came back didn't he give her that medicine that she had brought from the doctor in the future like he's the doctor on our ship she got some kind of you got some stuff she that promuxiline or whatever that very advanced that that advanced medication she did he he had it for her so you're saying tie that in as well something there may be a way like she needs him this is my evil plan for season eight is that seven the doctor and jane way need to get back over there to fix the timeline and also to save tuvok's life because they need neelix yeah because of the

Starting point is 00:36:44 two big thing right so the doctor's got to have some part of this plan he's got to have something that that when janeway came back he's the only one yeah that has the compound information or something it wasn't in the ship's computer yeah it wasn't it was just something that's only in him in his database in his that that they need him to help fix this time i mean timelines are messy let's just be they are they are i and i was going to say off the bat i i didn't want to jump into temporal stuff right off the bat but you you you took the ball and i'm going to roll with you so i will say okay i think it's it's a big issue it's a big big issue and i think seven's borgness has not been resolved we've sort of like slowly sort of whittled and suddenly

Starting point is 00:37:36 she was having all these feelings with chakote and the doctor was removing her cortical Do you, okay, well, let me ask you this. Do you see them married, getting married in season eight? No. No. Yeah. I think that they have a romance phase, and then this other stuff becomes the big issue for seven. The bored, like, just not being able to shake the boredness, it doesn't feel resolved for her.

Starting point is 00:38:02 What if like she breaks up? Borg queen issue is the thing that. Yeah. That makes her say, maybe that makes her push. Chikote away right that whole Borg thing yeah because we know in Picard yeah like whatever happened in season eight would have to dovetail into what we know about Picard we know that that she I haven't seen all the Picard I got to be honest so but I know that she's not with Chiquet and in Picard correct and so something has to

Starting point is 00:38:35 happen that ends the Chichote thing in season eight right like it's a it's part of her learning about herself more but she that's not her path yeah so maybe she has this montage dream and thoughts of like all the times that harry was really cool around her and she's like gosh no he's really the guy for me was harry and then as she tries to call harry up harry flings her to the side because he's with one of his many flusies that he's you know just yeah hanging with so he's our comic relief for season yeah so yeah so seven's like hey harrid you want to can i'm get lunch he's like i'm hey seven i'm so he's at the casino i'm at the casino he's at a rave i'm at a rave i'm doing all the things that i did uh in 1997 and i yes yes in Vegas there you go harry moves to

Starting point is 00:39:22 Vegas yeah he lives there okay um no but you're right i i i do think if she has that that that whole understory of of the board queen still all that stuff pulling her pulling her pulling her that would definitely affect her relationship with Chocote. Yeah, right? And maybe that's what causes her to just shy off of relationships. But then eventually she does have a relationship with Michelle Hurd's character. Oh, you don't know that, do you? Do you know that?

Starting point is 00:39:49 I kind of knew generally that. That's why Michelle Hurd is. We've got to finish the, we've got to finish the Chocote thing in season eight. Yes. And I think that whatever she does, whatever she does with dealing with her borgness in season eight has to feel like a real resolution so that she can move on to Picard. Right. So she can move on

Starting point is 00:40:11 to that version of seven. This should dovetail into that and so she can't be with Chacote. We got to finish Chacote. Right. For sure. Chacote is going to have to go home. I think Chacote and I think he gets back to his roots

Starting point is 00:40:27 of his tribe and his spiritual side. And I think when seven in season eight when seven is drawn into this Borg thing and his heart is broken, he goes back to find some comfort with his spiritual side. And I think Chocote in the end kind of becomes like a spirit leader, like a spiritual leader of some kind. He's a very... That makes sense. Yeah. So because he's so heartbroken, he goes full, he goes full Akuchimoya completely into that phase. And then, yeah, he becomes

Starting point is 00:40:59 a spiritual leader. He becomes a spiritual Tony Robbins. So he's able to talk to all the people. and lead them down the right path. And then Harry, who's gone down the dark path. Maybe it's Chiquotay. Is it Chichote that brings him back? Oh, yeah. So not Libby, not my ex, but Chacote. Maybe Chacote with the assistance of Tom, both of you.

Starting point is 00:41:22 Yeah, yeah. Because it takes two of you to come. Tom's got, yeah. Right? You got to be there. You can't, you can't. We got to go kidnap you. You have to get you dried out.

Starting point is 00:41:31 Operation Harry. Kidnap Harry. That's pretty funny. Like, I'll have all these, like, these beefy security guys around me and everything, and you guys have to, like, take them out or do something to foil them. Yeah. Yeah, they see, there's a lot of good stuff here. And Harry is the comic relief.

Starting point is 00:41:48 Well, Robbie, I think we've laid it out. We've laid out. I feel like that's season eight to me, what we've talked about. Sounds great. I feel like that would be really satisfying for people, like, to feel the issues that coming back from seven years on your own. own and having to face reality again, what those issues would be. And I think they'd be pretty significant. And I think they would fit together really nicely and feel like, not only are we back, but we're back and on everybody's on their correct path where they need to be. You know what's

Starting point is 00:42:24 most exciting about this episode that we're doing and this conversation that we're having right now, for me, is that we've just laid out this blueprint. It's almost like we are the showrunners of Star Trek Voyager season. Yes. We could do this. We can go to Paramount and say, hey, let's get the licensing for this. We're going to do this because Secret Hideout has no interest in this, but we have a lot of interest and let's just do this.

Starting point is 00:42:44 Why not? It would be wonderful. It would be really incredible to do that. We can't do season eight now because we've, too much time has gone by. There are so many talented, creative fans that, you know, whether it's fan fiction or whether it's animation or whether it's stop motion stuff or, you know, But that's how you turn time back. If you have really good animation, though, you know, and I'm talking about, remember the

Starting point is 00:43:11 aha video where the guy was all animated, but it was exactly him? Oh, yeah. Like that. Like not cheesy, not caricature type of... Not Lower Dex? Yeah, not Lordex. I'm talking about the most realistic animation you can possibly have. And our voices, people would buy that.

Starting point is 00:43:28 They would watch that. They'd be into it and they would love it because we deserve it. Season 8, Voyager. there it is. I love this. This is so good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any other words or are we we're going to leave it out there? I mean, this is, there's a lot. People are thinking right now. There's a lot of wheels are turning as I'm speaking right now. Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that were just unresolved. Oh, so many. That's why it's easy, I think, to continue the Voyager story because of the unresolved questions, the multiple unresolved questions. including your salamander children. No, yeah. We didn't even talk about that. Well, that's my idea for the feature film, right?

Starting point is 00:44:11 The Voyager feature film. The angry kids. The angry kids. Yeah. And Cessca's angry kid as well. So those are the villains in my feature, Voyager feature film. But in Voyager season eight, the TV series, I love your ideas, most definitely, especially, how did you, did you think about that two-vix thing?

Starting point is 00:44:29 Did you just pull that out of your bum bum? No, I thought about it. I told you. I was a little nervous about this. So I was really thinking about like, how. I'm very impressed because so you did think about that one. That Tuvix thing came off of deep thought. It wasn't just like pulling it out.

Starting point is 00:44:45 No. And I'm impressed. I think it's a great idea because it makes sense, right? It makes sense. Yeah. It's not a easy fix. And it's not working. And they can't figure out why.

Starting point is 00:44:56 And then they do some scans or whatever, some tests. And they're like, oh, wait, something happened to you in the Delta Quad. The doctor does all this. scans so we bring him in he's the one that find and he's he's working he knows because he was there he was there perfect see all the players are working on on season eight which is great yeah i'm excited cool well thank you everybody for listening to this podcast don't give up on us we're still going to be coming back with some more stuff and uh we are we are you know because of the the sag after strike we are limited in some of the things we can uh keep talking

Starting point is 00:45:33 about but we're going to keep doing everything we can to keep this podcast going and we've got some ideas when the strike is over i think you're going to be very excited about so stick with us don't go anywhere don't go anywhere we may even talk about why robbie likes the color orange that'll be a multi-part episode there's a lot to say about orange we can well we can talk about motorcycles for multiple episodes i know that for sure we can talk about motorcycles second. My motorcycle is pulled apart in the garage. Oh, is it? I went to ride it the other day. And like the battery was, it needed some work. So I'm getting fixed up, but I'll be back on the road very soon. Don't you guys worry.

Starting point is 00:46:16 Yay. Good to hear. All right, well, thanks for tuning in to the podcast. Robbie and I had a lot of fun recording this one. I'm actually very inspired and excited. Like, I want to, I want to flesh this out in my head more. I want to see if I can, I want to see if I can write. I want to, I'm going to write the spec script for season one uh season eight episode one and show this to robbie and see what he says all right all right everyone thanks everybody have a great day see you later

The Delta Flyers - Season 8

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