The Delta Flyers - Sons and Daughters

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell, and Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Sons and Daughters, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell. Sons and Daughters: Worf must face his failuresm as a father when his estranged son volunteers for duty aboard a Klingon ship. We would like to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers, Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts,Tom Paynter, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, David Wei Liu, Roxane Ray, Tim Neumark, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jenny Cordina, Ryan Mahieu, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Jonathan Capps, Chris Dellman, Sean T, Cindy Woodford, Tamara Evans, Shawn Robbins, & Francis Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Cindy Ring, Lee Lisle, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Andrew Duncan, Randy Hawke, Penny Liu, Matt Norris, David Smith, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Robby Hill, Kevin Harlow, Jeff Allen, Londyn Henning & Risa EinsidlerAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, AJ Provance, Brian King, Maxine Soloway, E & John, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Jason Potvin, Sarah Thompson, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Steph Davies, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, Annie Davey, Jason Eberl, Jeremy Gaskin, Sarah Dunnevant, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, SnazzyO, Karen Galleski, John Watker, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Cade Solsbery, Timothy McMichens, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Slacktwaddle, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Jay Furness, Jim Poesl, Scott Bowling, Michael Jones, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Christina Chang, Kilian Trapp, Kit Marie Rackley, Gordon Watson, Andrew Golden, Damien O’Donnell, Michael Bourguignon, Corey Evans, Patricia Welsch, Shannon Gregg Lucky, Ken Guthrie, Michelle Fox, & Jeff Schmedinghoff Thank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out ElevenReader and use my code PODCAST for a great deal: https://elevenreader.io* Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/tdf for a great deal: https://www.quince.com* Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/tdf for a great deal: https://www.quince.comAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quirk Decks and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. I'm trying to bring a little extra because poor Terry, our poor. Poor Terry is fighting her illnesses. My illness. So we're judging it up to sort of balance it out to let Terry be more on cruise control. Fair, fair.

Thank you. I haven't used it yet. This How to Write Memoirs book. I read like the beginning. Yes. Of course, because we get busy. We forget. But it said, if you don't know where to start, just start writing down stories, you remember.

That's what I was just talking to Garrett. That is so crazy. I've mentioned this too on some of our Zooms, monthly Zooms to some of our Patreon patrons. Yeah. But I was just showing Garrett this thing that I made. It's a book that I made for my kids called A Collection of Life Stories. And there's this company called Storyworth. I'm not doing an ad for them.

I'm just telling you what I did. Yeah. But I like Story Worth because they ask you questions and then you just answer the question, kind of like what you were just talking about, Terry. Yeah. Like to start telling remembering stories, writing down stories. So like, yeah, they ask you questions. I thought that's what you had, the same program that Robbie has or the same memoir building.

No, no, no. It's an actual book. And do not. If I go to look for it, you won't see me for 20 minutes. There's a lot of great books about, you know, writing your life story, writing memoirs. I'm definitely, I've been that exercise I did for my kids. And they published that book. I've got 10 of them or so.

handed them out to my sister and my nephew and different people. Oh, that's so nice of you. But I want to write a real book. I'm thinking about that and working now. I've been thinking about that, too, honestly. I think what stops me is I feel like I don't have enough education. Yeah, you do. Write in your voice.

Just write in your voice. Just start writing it down. Yes. If you don't start, you can't get anywhere. Yes. Also, it's like I watched this James Patterson. I mean, now I know this is not to do with us, but it felt like the only thing on masterclass. It was the only one where it wasn't like, you know, kind of too esoteric or like, I don't want to write comedy.

I wanted to hear something about the process. Yeah. And, you know, like Stephen King says, you just got to set time aside. You've got to read as much as you're writing. You just have to start writing. It doesn't matter at first. Just so you start getting in a, get your juices going. It doesn't matter what mistakes you make.

just start writing it down. James Patterson, though, says that he works on an outline and that most people don't, they don't, they just want to start writing and they don't want to think about the outline. But if you're telling that a story that is driven, and I would think even if it's about yourself, if you have enough practice or talent writing like you do, he said he works, sometimes it's a month, but that's super rare. But it usually takes him about three months to get down to an outline that he feels like is solid. Wow. And that's writing every day.

Yeah. That's a very slow process. Yeah. It sounded like it. But it also, he said, look, it's one of those, don't feel bad. Either this speaks to you and you start writing or it doesn't. And you never finish the book. And that's what it is.

But you have to love the process because it's a lot of work. I'd love to read your book. I'd love to read your book too. All right. Yeah. How about you, Garrett? You're going to write a book? I will write a book as well. Yay.

You have a lot to say. Yes. You do. You've gone through a lot, especially being first generation here. That's huge. Yeah, there's a lot for sure. I'm going to switch gears. I'm going to ask Robbie about Stuart Fails, which is going to be premiering July 23rd on HBO.

Talk about that, Robbie. Thank you for bringing that up. What is Stewart fails? I don't know about that. Deward fails to save the universe is a spin-off of the Big Bang Theory on HBO Max. It's premiering on July 23rd. I got to direct the last two episodes of the series. There's 10 episodes.

Jonathan Frakes got to direct the middle. He, I think, did 5 and 6, something like that. It's got some of the great characters, a lot of surprise characters popping in throughout the season. And it's just, it's about a multiverse. It's a single cam, multiverse, sci-fi concept, lots and lots of action, lots of jokes, and lots of visual effects. Tons of visual effects. It's really, it's a fun show. I'm excited for you.

It sounds great. Yeah. Let's talk about some birthdays. I want to mention Jonathan Capp's birthday. Jonathan Capps has a birthday on July 8th. We love Jonathan. Happy birthday, Jonathan. Happy birthday, Jonathan.

Happy birthday to Jonathan. Our friend that we care so much about Happy birthday to Jonathan We have a brand new prophet We want to say welcome And congratulations to our newest prophet Yusef Francis. Congratulations, Yusuf.

Well, Yusuf, thank you so much for joining us. Welcome, Yusuf. Here's my haiku for sons and daughters. Surprise, it's Alex. Surprise, Norese. It's Zial. Descott gets no love. That's it.

Very funny. Very funny. I bowed out. I'm so sorry. I bowed out. Forgive me. Forgive me. Okay, here's my limerick for sons and daughters.

I might give it a little extra juge to help Terry feel better. There once was a father named Wharf, whose parenting style seemed quite coarse. Though his son's clumsy fight was lacking in might. He learned acceptance was fatherly love's true source. I thought that was fantastic. Thank you. How would you like the bad Irish accent? I loved it.

The patron submitted poetry winner is submitted by Jason Okin. When sons and daughters seek to find their place, reunions stir both longing and disdain. Some truths can be too difficult to face, be that from past abandonment or pain. In dire times, the bond. of blood are tried, as each must reckon with just who they are. Yet even love can't always help decide if closeness heals or opens every scar.

Very nice. These are always so deep. Slightly and heavy. They're weighty. They're weighty. I feel full. Yes. Yes.

I'm full. Yes. No dessert for us. This episode is written by Bradley Thompson and David Weddle. Corrected by Jesus Salvador Trevino. Our guest stars are. Mark Warden as Alexander Rojenko, Mark Alamo as Golda Kott, J.G. Hurtzler as Martok, Melanie Smith as Zayal, Casey Biggs as DeMar, and Sam Zeller as Chittach.

And of course, Gabrielle Union as Nagarin. Yes, Gabrielle Union. Oh, my goodness. She went on to do big things. This was an early career situation for her, I think. Yeah, or was she already sort of kind of known at this point, or maybe, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think she had done Bring It On yet. Okay.

That was kind of a big breakthrough and she was in bad boys. I was really surprised to see her under all that makeup in a role that is relatively small, to be honest. And so this must have been early in her career. Yeah. I was totally shocked. I had no idea it was her. All right. A little bit of trivia.

This episode was based on the 1950 John Ford film Rio Grande. The film is about a. Fort Commander who discovers that one of his new recruits is his son, whom he hasn't seen since he divorced the boy's mother years ago. The son hates the father, but they must learn to work together. So that is basically the plot of Rio Grande and very similar to this episode. I'm going to say full disclosure. I love parent-child stories. They tug at my heart in ways I don't even understand. And particularly father-son's stories hit me very hard. This one did not. It didn't really catch me emotionally.

And we'll talk about it as we get into it. But I think it was a great opportunity to explore character relationship and these ideas. Ideas that, like I said, for me are the most powerful stories that I watch and they move me so much. But this one didn't quite do that for me. I know. I agree. It made me kind of sad. I wanted this to be more juicy for Worf.

and for the Alexander yes and I think it would have helped if that storyline would have been focused on more and not did the sons and daughters it was like both of them being super heavy didn't help neither one of them had the juice to make me go oh so okay so just to be to play devil's advocate I'm going to sort of stick up for the writers a little bit here this is episode three of season six. So we had Rocks and Shoals, which was episode two, and then we have this one. But in actual filming, this was filmed before Rocks and Shoals. And the issue was they had not finished their decision of what they were going to do on the station story.

There was just a lot of moving parts going on. like this episode was sort of a B storyline within the arc. Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah, but a lot of the story was changing while they were filming, and it was just a very difficult episode for them to pull everything together or really focus and make it a better episode. If they're working over this summer, how many episodes do they have solid after having,

I mean, summer, what they get two months to write before we start, which is not very long. Right. But shouldn't, it just seems like, You should have solid the first five at least. You would think so. So that while the first five are filming, you're working on six to ten. It seems early for them to be struggling so much with story.

And this is the kind of story that didn't need any of those other decisions. It didn't matter what happened at the station. No. Didn't, to me, this is a relationship story. It could have been a bottle show. Yeah, yeah. You could have dove into those relationships. No.

So much deeper. Yeah. This could have been just the. Klingons, just about Worf and Alexander, about them, because we haven't really seen their part of the war, you too. I mean, they've talked about how they go in and they have to retreat, but they haven't really showed us what's going on. So I think it would have been helpful to have this episode be more Ratarin and MARTOC and

maybe some MARTOC story to backstory. I'll go a step further. This could have been a spin-off. It could have been Star Trek Ratarin, the I-K-S-Rat-Rat-R-T-Rat-E. the Klingon, you know, the Klingon side of it. It could have been a whole other show, really. Well, that would help break away from having to worry about what's going on in the station. Yeah.

But we're still in war. Right. Yeah. Well, let's get into it. We're in Wharf's quarters on the Ratar. And there's Dax and Wharf having a little makeout time. And when I say little, I mean a lot. I would say get a room, but you're already in his room.

They're making out. And then Cisco calls, they're going to be at Star Base 375 in about five minutes. So she says she'll meet him in the transporter room and she starts packing up. And this one, Warf asked Dax to basically to join his house. And she sort of teases him for a moment and says, no, no way. But then she agrees. I did like the momentary when he says, there's one more thing. You say, as long as it's not about the wedding.

And he goes, when we exchange vows, your head drop. The head's like, uh, not again. It was in the background, but I was just like, oh, that's funny. Yeah, you knew. It won't even let me be a girl for a minute and be part of it. Yeah. He is very neurotic about this wedding. Well, she agrees in the end.

Off they go. We cut to the return bridge. It's very smoky this bridge. I just want to mention to bring up. It's like super smoke time there. Yeah. But they're about to dock at Star Base 375. And Bashir and Miles mentioned how they are.

sick and tired of being on a Klingon ship because of all the, you know, the food is disgusting and all the singing they mentioned. So they're thrilled. Bashir Miles are thrilled to get it to a Starfleet station and have some Starfleet food and no more Klingon singing. Anyway, Cisco thanks Martak. And Cisco bets Martak a barrel of blood wine that he sets foot back on DS9 before Martak does. So there's a nice little camaraderie between those two. I like that moment. It seemed really genuine too.

Yes, it did. Yeah, they were both really having a good laugh. Did they get along? I don't know. I never see that they don't. It seemed to me like they really got along well in this moment. Like it did feel genuine. It felt like actors enjoying being around each other in a good way.

Yeah, and I think J.G. always has great things to say about his experience. So I've never heard him say anything. about not feeling comfortable or welcome. Yeah. It's a great pairing. I wish we'd see more of them in those kind of moments, you know, because you feel the authentic sort of enjoyment out of both of them. We go over to the return mess hall now.

Worf announces five replacements are here. Martuk does mention in the scene he likes battle when he's winning a lot better than when he's losing. Yes. And then Martak gives a very inspiring speech to these recruits. And while he's giving the speech, we get these awkward looks between Wharf and one of the new recruits, Alexander, who I didn't know the next gen episode. We don't. Yeah.

No. So to me, I was like, well, clearly there's something here, but I didn't know what it was. So Worf says who offers their life for the empire and we see the lineup of all the new recruits. And they start listing off who they are. Ngarin, daughter of Zedek. and that is a Gabriel Union, who again, I didn't realize it was her until later. Katah, son of Chapak. Do you guys remember Chapak?

Chapak is the Klingon. That was the prosecuting attorney that came to the station that was trying to say that Worf was firing upon an innocent ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that guy? And he was trying to get, yeah. That's Chapak. So Katak is his son.

Literally that character or the same actor? Yeah. No, it's the same character. Wow, I guess he moved up backwards. Yeah. Well, no, no, he's the son of the guy who was the... Okay, that makes a big difference. The prosecuting attorney. We also have Coth, Coth, son of Larnah, and then Duran, daughter of Womar, and finally, last but not least, Alexander Rigenko, which Robbie and I, again, we have no TNG basis of reference because we haven't seen really much of that, if anything.

Oh, so he's the same actor that was on NextGen? No, I don't think he is. Was Susie Plaxton his mom? Susie Plaxton is Klingon, correct? Isn't his mother, I'm guessing because of his name, his mother is human? Or am I wrong to say that? Where is Alexander Rojenko come from? You don't have a Klingon name?

Is it the family that he went to live with? Oh, did he? Maybe that could be it. That's possible. But I'm so confused because when he says Alexander Rijenko, I think that is somebody who dances for the Russian back. ballet, okay, not um, Wharf's son. It's, it's confusing me. Yeah. What do you? Well, I would love to see a ballet number. He did not do. He did not do the next gen episode. Okay. He didn't. Yeah, that's like I said.

So that was a big complaint about fans saying that Rogenko should only be like 12 years old at this point. You know, he shouldn't be a 21, 22 year old, or even an 18, 19 year old kid. He shouldn't be that old. So fans were, we're saying, wait a minute, where's the continuity here? This actor is much older than what we think. People were saying, well, maybe we can validate it by saying that Klingon's age faster. But truly, the only race that we've seen that age is very quick are the Gem Hidar. That's it in this series. We don't see anyone else. Alexander Rojanko's mother in Star Trek universe is half Klingon, half human, and it's Susie Plaxton. Oh, it is Susie then. So let me say this too. I don't like how short he is. It's, it's.

took me out, completely out, how tiny he was. Susie and I, well, at one point we were both the same height, but I felt like she was 6.1. You know what I mean? 6.1, we're at the same height, and Dorn is 6.3 or 4? She's 6.2, Susie Blackston. She's 6.2? Okay.

And I'm just 6 feet. And I just don't believe that their child, even 18, 12, whatever, would be that short. So that took me out physicality-wise. Interesting, yeah. They probably went with a short version because that just unconsciously makes you think a youthful person or younger person. But yeah, you're right.

If that's the mom. You could have picked a taller, lankier guy. Yep. That's not this actor's fault. This just feels like not great casting to me. And it took me out and it kind of also ruined the story for me in that sense in that storyline. I hear you.

Well, he does say Alexander Rozhenko. He doesn't say a house. And Martak asks, is that the house, Rogenko? And he goes, no, the honor will be my own. Yeah. So you already know, like, he's a bit of a lone wolf. He's kind of. Which is not very Klingon-esque, really.

Yeah. They're really team players, even though they act really tough. Yeah. Well, Martak dismisses them. And afterwards, after they filed out, he does ask Worf. Like, who is this Rijenko guy? Do you know him? And Worf says, he is my son.

dun dun da why we go to why liar all right well we go to quarks next and otto and kira are secretly talking up on the second floor there jake joins them he wants to join their resistance cell very dramatic intrigue he's excited and they're like nope like what are you talking about what cell what cell what do you talk about and he goes i know what you're doing i hear things that's when quark arrives and uh says kira needs to if she wants to meet Dukot when he arrives. And Jake notices this. He's a reporter. He's an undercover reporter.

He's clocking everything. Ira and Odo leave. And Cork warns Jake not to get too involved in all of this trouble and offers him a waiter's job at the end of the scene. It's one way he could have kept watching him. Exactly. And it would have been a great cover for Jake, honestly. It would have been kind of funny.

Yes. So it's kind of too bad. And he would have made money because he's not making any money as a correspondent because guess what? Way Yun is not sending any of his stories through to Starfleet. Well, he does have his base. He notices Kira heading to go meet Dukot. And he says something like, I see Gold Dukot still having you meet him every time he returns. He's trying to.

He has little blood crumbs. I know what I'm talking about. Trying to get involved. See part of the intrigue. Oh, yeah. We go to the airlock and, of course, out comes Dukot. and Damar, who complains, as usual, that she is not in uniform and bejurans need a lesson in respect. Descartes tries to calm down, Damar, and has a little bit of surprise there for Kira.

It's Ziyal, who is super excited to see Kira, and she's running up and saying, Nereese. So there's a lot that has happened, basically. And, of course, the last time we saw Zial, she was abandoned by her father. So now she's with. with him. So it's, you know, what gives? We're not sure exactly what's going on. That's very confusing. Literally, he like, he banished her. He said, he died. He's like, you're dead to me. Like, you're not even my daughter anymore, right? So we're completely confused. You also remember how we left her. Didn't Garrick give her a kiss on the lips? Goodbye. Like, bye, darling. And never again,

does she even talk about Garrick when she's on this station in this episode, which I thought was really weird. You have a intimate relationship or you're dating Garrick. Did everyone find that weird? Or even just to be intimately close in a verbal, emotional way. Yeah. It would have been nice if she said at least to Kira when they're alone at some point. How is Garrett? I haven't seen.

Or Garrett. How is Garrick? I haven't seen him. I don't know. I haven't seen him either. I'm right here. I'm right here. You can see me.

I can't see him. What? Where is he? Blind. I just have to say, like, there's so much potential for this Zeyal character, but they keep recasting her. Yes. And they keep doing these, like, weird. She's been the same person for a while now.

Couple of, two or three episodes. But he's also toxicly positive, which is really hard to watch. Yes, it is. Oh, my God. If they're going to write that or allow the actress to play it that way, then lean into the trauma this character has experienced. And that's why she's so toxicly positive. It is. That would be a great story.

It's so clear watching this, isn't it? But in the scene, we find out that she is taking a little sabbatical from the university at the behest of her father. Kira's like, what is happening? And Zia says, you know what? I'll tell you what. Have dinner with me tonight. I will explain it all. Kira agrees.

And Descott sneaks in there. He's like, splendid. Well, dine in my quarters at 2,200 hours. and that's his way of weasling in. He's kind of like Mr. Burns. But you know what? Kira is like, I didn't agree to having dinner with you to cut, but okay, fine, Zia. Well, we go to the return ready room next.

And I did like the colors on the digital ship out in space. Did you notice it? Just something about like the colors of the warp engines or something. It looked very three-dimensional, organic. I just thought the colors looked great. Oh, that's nice. It was a very cool shot. They probably have more options with the texturing and everything that they do digitally.

Yeah, yeah, because they've converted now. They're not doing models anymore. Right. So they're doing all the digital. Yeah. But inside the ready room, they've got orders. They're going to escort a convoy all by themselves, not with a group of Klingon vessels. It's just them.

Wharf heads off to train the recruits. But Martok stops him and asks him. and asks about Alexander, and Worf tries to deflect. He's like, you know, it's not easy to talk about. He does say he's not sure why Alexander even joined the defense forces, because he didn't want to be a warrior when Worf knew him. Not at all. He didn't want to be anything like his father, and he certainly didn't want to be a warrior.

So Martak gives some deep advice here. He says, you know, when a father and son do not speak, it means there's trouble. I literally like spit-taked when I heard that line. It's like it is the most obvious observation and yet delivered and written as if it is deep thoughts. It is. I don't know why. It's a kept an obvious line. Yes.

It sure is. I went back and rewatched it two or three times. I was like, that is amazing. It's still making you chuckle. And if father and son do not speak, it means there's trouble. General, I prefer to handle this on my own. Yes. Then do so, Wharf.

Exactly. Warf. Off. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Worf wants to handle it his way. I'm not getting the impression at this point that Worf is a great dad. I'm just going to go out on a limb.

Yeah. How about that we have not heard about him? He and Judziah don't talk about him. But yet in his quarters in the next scene, He's looking at a photo of Alexander back when he was younger. So evidently, he does care about his son. Alexander comes in, says you called for me. He works as ordered.

And Worf does try in the beginning of this scene. Well, he hasn't had any practice, don't you think? Yeah, that's what it is. You're absolutely right. He hasn't had any practice. It's just not instinctual for him. And there's a lot of unspoken resentment or baggage or guilt or shame. or shame, all of those things that they're just not talking about.

This is the stuff I wanted them to talk about. Yes, I agree. Me too. In this, we find out he hasn't seen him for five years or spoken to him or tried to contact him. But he tries a little bit with small talk. And I don't want to give the impression like he tries to have a deep conversation because he literally just tries with, you know, asks about the grandparents. Alexander distinguishes that they're your parents. Yeah.

Not my grandparents. They're your parents. Well, he's very angry. Yeah, he's not interested in really having any small talk. He's here to do a job to serve the empire. And then suddenly, Worf gets tough. And literally, in this one scene, goes from some small talk attempt to like, you know what, you don't need, you, you're not a warrior. We both know you're not a warrior.

How dare you? You don't even know me. He goes from talk show host to disciplinarian in this turn of a hat. And then a threat. Tell him, Robbie. Tell him what about it. He says to. Alexander, he says that he expects twice as much from Alexander as he does from everybody

else. That is abusive. Like, why emotionally, like the yo-yo of, oh, hi, son, and let's catch up to, it was just crazy, not a great day. No, no. And like, so mean. It's an awkward scene. Yeah. Yes. It's written the structure of the scene dialogue-wise is awkward. The context is awkward. I don't know that it's performed. The performance doesn't elevate it or fix it or help it. And neither does the direction. So it was a problematic scene for me.

I could have missed this scene. How about huge rewrite in red letters? We go to Ducats quarters now. We start with an insert, I think, on some China being placed. It's beautiful. Like antique China. Yeah, it almost feels like those moments in like, you know, World War II movies when like the bad guys or the Nazis are setting up, you know, China.

They've taken over in France or something. You know, they're making themselves at home. There was something about that that. Yeah. World War II to me, like occupation time or something. Dira comes to tell Zial that she won't be coming to dinner. She says she can't believe that Zial even came back to the station. This one Zial explains how she didn't fit in on Bejor.

She goes into that pretty heavily. She didn't really fit in with the Bajorans, and her father is all that she's had, that she has now. And she's really bummed out that Kira's not going to come to dinner because she had something very special, that she wanted to share at dinner. And clearly she really cares for Kira, and Kira cares for her, too.

So she was very torn here. But in that scene, Kira brings up the point that we brought up earlier, Kira says, but the last time you defied him, he left you here to do. die. As you all was like, oh, no, we talked about that. He admits he overreacted.

But family's loyalty is important to my father, and he felt I betrayed him. It was like, what? Yeah, I feel like there's some things that are, you can't undo. Yeah. When he said you could die. Oye, yoy, yoy. Yeah. Oye, y'oy is right.

So crazy. This scene was much better written than the one we just had with Worf and his son. Yes. At least we're getting information. Even though it's like clear, Zael has a lot of emotional trauma that she cannot deal with. She's too young. To have perspective, her father's giving her so many mixed signals, which that's crazy too. Because even when you know somebody's awful to you, if they're your parent, you can't help but forgive them because there's a little piece of you for a long time that couldn't survive without them.

Right. So there's this ingrained, I will die without you kind of little in the Megalah saying, no, no, no. They're my family. Well, Kira does agree to come to dinner after Zial says I was going to have a big surprise. Very important. Please. I'm trying to manipulate you. Kira agrees.

But she says she won't promise that it'll be fun. So she's not going to play nice with Dukat just because. But she is playing nice with Dukot, basically. Which is a mixed message. Which is very confusing, yes. It's a little icky, especially after what we've already seen with the Vedic that just took her own life to make a huge protest. So there are some inconsistencies to me about Kira in this that must have been part of the writing issue that you were talking about, Garrett. Later, they revisit something when she gets present from him.

And it's just her reaction is like that, no, she's already passed. that. Right. She's already passed that. Yeah. And again, the shooting order being out of order. And that's not... Yeah.

Nana's fault. It's just how it's written. Well, we go to the, I think, the return mess hall next. The return is arriving with a convoy in space. We see a cloak out there, I think. And we cut into the mess hall. And Chetargh is there, and he's basically mocking Alexander really hard, making fun of him about being soft, about being part human.

Alexander tries to stay calm and cool and collected, but finally throws a bunch of food in his face and they fight, a big fight, by the way. Whatever that sauce was, they dumped all over his food. I'd throw it in his face too. I mean, they're bullying. They're ganging up and teasing this kid, this outsider. It's kind of foolish of them, by the way. Like, that's dwarf's son.

And they know this, right? Isn't that part of the reason they're teasing him? I think so. I mean, they do eventually for sure. I think they would know it now. Yeah. They fight. Very complex fight.

I was very impressed with this fight, actually. Yeah, it was good. Alexander gets up, tries to keep up, but he's getting the worst of this fight when Worf arrives. And just as Chetarg has got a knife pulled back with his left arm, Worf grabs his arm and stops him from stabbing Alexander, orders them both to get to the medical bay, to get treated. And then they're going to be confined.

to their quarters. Go to your room, no supper, no sauce for you. Worf also punches Chittard in the face, knocks them down too. Oh yeah. Yeah, I think so. Bad move, Clingon, Dad. Well, Worf has no objective perspective about this. He's too close to, tied in with Alexander and family. No practice. So he's making up too for lost time. Like, I'm going to protect my son now. Yeah. Yeah, and I love how Chetard has that one last barb that he throws at Wharf before he leaves for the Infraperry.

Wait, Satan character. I want to hear you say it in character. He's like, are you going to fight the Gem Hadar for him as well? So that was kind of like. You sounded like the wicked witch of the West to me. That was like more. A little bit more gravelly. All right.

All right. Are you going to fight the Gem Hadar for him as well? There you go. Now you sound Cleon. Wow. Thank you. I feel like you guys are casting directors for like voiceovers and I'm sitting here auditioning for you. You're doing really well. Thanks guys. Thanks. I can do it another way

if you like. I can do it happier Klingon if you like or a sadder Klingon. I hope you have a nice day. It was great meeting you. It's great meeting you. Thanks for coming in. You'll call me guys. Right? Okay. We'll be in touch with your agent. Yeah. So excited. This is awesome. All right. All right. All right. The fall is going to be great. We are in DeKott's quarters and they are looking at this very, you know, simple, elegant drawing of a flower. And it's Y'all's art that she's showing off. Actually, this is a really interesting scene because they're getting along so well in terms of Kira and Dakot that it almost looks like they're a couple in a weird way. Is this where they're seated on the couch and they're, she's in between them? Yeah, it's even staged like a family,

like mom and dad. No, they're doing that purposefully. But I, again, back to I don't believe I think there should be a vibe where you get that she is not, she has a wall up for him, but she's very available for her. Right. And I did not see that. It wasn't there. Bothered me after how we already know things are going down. Pira thinks that this work looks like Vedic Topek's early work.

And then we have to cot saying, well, wait a minute. It also reminds me of these Cardass, this very famous Cardassian artist. And then that's when Zial comes out with, well, I've already had a conversation with the director of the Cardassian Institute of Art. And he said the same thing. He thinks it's wonderful. And Descartes's like, what? You spoke with the director? I could have arranged that meeting for you.

And Zial was like, no, I kind of wanted to do it on my own. But the bottom line is they're very, very pleased with Zial's work. Well, the thing I like about her work, she says that she wants to bring both Bajoran. and Cardassian influences together and show how they see the universe in similar ways. I would have liked it if her work was a little more complex looking. It didn't wow me. I was like, okay, I'm supposed to be wowed, but... Oh, well, I was wowed.

I liked it. I liked the simplicity of it. It was okay with me. So she's sitting directly between the two of them. And it is, her artwork is bringing Bajoran and Cardassian together. And in a way, I felt she wanted to bring the Bajoran of her life. Near it. Oh, yeah.

Yes, of course. And she was grabbing her dad's hand, and I thought, hey, Zeus, block it. So she grabs Kira's hand as well and just kind of holds them at the same time, sort of bonding them together. One comment I have about what Terry brought up is you wished the art had been more sophisticated. Well, bringing two forms together. This is one form. If you're trying to bring Cardassia and Bajor and I don't. You need another layer, right?

You need another layer. Yes. Yes, it was only one layer. Yeah, yeah. It was one type of art. I don't see two things being brought together. Whenever a TV show or a movie or whatever has a story about an artist being amazing, like a visual artist, a musician, writing great music, whatever. Like, if you're going to say that in your story, you better have great art or you better have a great song.

Or they better be a good guitar player. Like, I hate when they say, oh, they're so good. And then you look at it and it looks like the props department just threw it together in five minutes. Because that's what this look like. If it were just her showing her work to the two of them. But it gets, it gets elevated to being like, oh, my gosh. Invited into the show. It does not.

It looks like, yeah, if my kid did that, that's great. But what I suddenly think he needs to be at, you know, MoMA? No. No. No. Sorry, I'm not going to blow that smoke. Or C. Moma, Kardashian Museum of Modern Art.

You see. I really relate to that with doing paper dolls and actually going from being a high fashion model in New York to them doing a fashion show that was supposed to be happening in New York in L.A. And it was all swayed. And I'm like, oh, my God, this stuff looks terrible. This doesn't look like any runway. show I've ever done. This is so, it was L.A. clothes, but we were supposed to be in New York. There was

nothing cutting edge. There was nothing high fashion about it. And they had all this money. You can find a young designer. Yeah. You can find a young artist who hasn't, you just have to know where to look for them. But they're out there and dying for the experience to not have a prop person put it together. We had an actor once who was an artist. And in real, life and was playing an artist on the thing. We actually had the actor make the art for the art show for the piece that they were supposed to be standing by. That's cool. Yeah, that was kind of cool because it didn't feel like the art department made it. It felt like a real artist made it. Yeah, and that's how it should feel. The arts helping the arts. We're on the Rotarin again.

They're cloaked in the space shot. Martak heard about this fight in the ready room. Martak talks to Wharf. He heard about the fight in the mess hall. But he says, you know, my first officer didn't tell me, Worf. So Martak's not really happy that Worf is creating this, you know, he's got this issue with his son. It's not, he's not clear enough. It's messy. And he gets defensive.

Yeah, that one line for Martok, Worf says, you heard about the fight in the mess hall. And Martak is like, yes, but not for my first officer. I lost him the moment his son stepped aboard this ship. So that was a very biting line, I thought. But I agree with him. Like, Warf is completely distracted. He's not going to be. a reliable first officer if he's torn between these unresolved issues.

That would have been a great story to go down. Yes, I could have filled out the whole thing. Because then you have both sides of it. You need to have Worf's side. Yeah. And his struggle. Yeah. And why not have a phone call or a whatever they transmit to my character?

I'm his fiancé. I've been a mother and a father. Where else but on Star Trek can someone say, my character was a mother and a father and a lizard i was a lizard so where else can you say these things anyway uh martyck is not happy warf is embarrassed he says he stepped in to stop it and martyke says that chittarg would would would not have killed him he just would have hurt him pretty bad and maybe that would teach him a lesson warf stepped in to protect him instead and martok thinks that you know you need to let these recruits and let your son learn.

Like don't keep protecting him and preventing him from growing as a war. Give him a chance, basically. Yeah. Well, more importantly, he needs to be prepared when they fight the Gemadar. That is the biggest concern. How did he even get into this period? They're desperate. You're desperate.

Yeah. There's no skill at all. It's kind of like a few years back in Vancouver when there was so many TV shows you couldn't fill out your crew. with experienced crew people that anybody who was willing to push a dolly could be a dolly great basically wow oh my goodness that was a time where it was so busy you're like come on down have you seen a dolly great but at the end of the scene there's an alarm battle stations alert status one captain to the bridge and so off they go uh we cut to the bridge of the retardan

alexander is at ops maybe where's he why why why that's what i'm sorry He's a recruit and a recruit that doesn't know anything. We've already seen a little bit of that. He doesn't have the information. He has no experience. And yet he's on the bridge as one of the bridge crew. This is only written for this gag. And the gag is he's giving them the updates.

The Gemhidar are attacking in seconds. Nobody else can see it on their panels, their stations. But we're going to rely on the guy who just showed up. He says, no, the torpedoes are about to hit. Wharf realizes it was a simulation. He stops. it, he realizes Alexander never removed the training simulation that they've been practicing from the sensor array, and the whole bridge crew is laughing at Alexander here.

Martak interprets that they've accepted him. If they're laughing at him and not wanting to kill him over this, then they've accepted him. That's healthy teasing. But Worf's interpretation is, no, they just think he's the ship's fool. No, he's just a young kid who doesn't know what he's doing. And Warf's got a young ego to be so insulted so easily and, you know, feeling embarrassed about his son. We cut to the wardroom back on DS9. Dukata's enjoying the sound of his own voice to Bajoran and Cardassians in the wardroom.

He's giving this nice long speech that we're only hearing the end of the speech. It seems like he's been talking for a while. He mentions that Cardassi is going to give him 15 industrial replicators to help Bayjohn. usher in a new age of cooperation and understanding between their people. Did you notice that? That's the number of recruits that Martak asked for. He wanted 15 and got five. And then now we've got the same number on their brains.

Their brain, yeah, 15 is. Yeah. And I think Alexander is 15 years old. He's 15 years old, exactly. They're dominion allies. They're all Dominion allies. And the meeting's over. Dukot tells Kira that Zial got three drawings in a big exhibit back on Bejor.

So this is to your point here. Like, really? Yeah. Those drawings? Yeah. And how are you bringing both together? And see, I think that's a missed opportunity because if you're going to say it, it would have helped the story if it really looked like it was marrying both of them.

Dukot invites her to a celebration party for this big art exhibit she's going to be a part of. And Kira seems to agree at the end to this because she says, what time? He says 21.30 unless I'm unavoidably delayed because he's a busy man. you know she responds oh the busy life and of an interstellar despot so yeah taking shots but it's not nothing substantial it's just pot shots we go to the uh retarne training room warf is training uh alexander very hard Alexander keeps making mistakes though warf keeps getting angrier and angrier and then Alexander says I bet you're happy this proves I'm a horrible cling on and now you've got an excuse just to send me home and wharf is very frustrated he says you know this is

war. We're not going to be playing in hollow suites. What is wrong with you? It's like so like, what? He needs a timeout hard. Well, he needs to call Jedzia and ask how to talk to his son. Don't. Don't talk to him.

I think you should not talk to him for a while. At all. Leave him alone. Let him be. I mean, I think that even if this were a stranger, Wharf would be a better teacher than this. And so if you're going to have Worf be a bad teacher, then really unpack that and deal with like, you know, that he's aware

that he's being triggered or I don't know. There could be a million ways to deal with it, but they don't really. But there could be, like you're saying, there could be so much more information within their jabs at each other that could have made it a more fulfilling scene to us as an audience. It fell apart, but it would be nice if how they fell apart was more informed. formative to us. Well, we go to Kira's quarters where Damar shows up with a wrapped gift from DuCott. It's a dress. She pulls it out. She kind of smiles at it for a second, takes a look at it. Yeah, like, what, what, what? No. And then she realizes, oh, my gosh, I'm being, you know, manipulated. And why am I even thinking about accepting this? And she heads off to DuCott's quarters,

where she gives the dress back. And she basically says to DuCott, I don't want anything. anything to do with you anymore. Nothing to do with you. I liked how she stayed very calm and clear-headed in this scene rather than combative. It was a great, I thought, actor choice to ground this as a clear-headed decision and not an emotional one. I thought it was great. And he was, it threw him because he didn't know how to deal with that. That part was good. I think right when you open it, right when she opened it, be like, ah, not. Oh, let me see if I, look good in it. It just, I don't, I think she's already past that. Right. Yeah. Being wooed by a pretty present. Yeah, it does feel pretty shallow for Kira. That doesn't seem like her character

would be distracted by a pretty dress. No, I think that would have been more the camel, the straw in the camel's back seeing the dress. But she needs to see it by herself. Yeah. And deliver it for sure. She storms out. and that's when Zeyal comes in and asks her dad, who was that? And he said, oh, just delivery. And he repurposes that gift. It's like getting a Christmas fruitcake. You just give it to somebody else.

So he just takes that dress and gives it to his daughter, which I started thinking, are they even the same size? Oh, right away. I was like, there's no way that's doing. Like, how's it's not going to be way too small for her? No. Also, I liked that that he did that because in the moment before, Kara says to him, you know, there's no bond between us. That's only in your mind. You're an

opportunist. And I like that she used the word opportunist because that's exactly what he does. He does in the next beat. Yeah, he demonstrates. That's right. Yeah. And let me show you. She was 100% right. We go back to the training room on the Ratarin. Alexander's practicing by himself now, dropping his bat lift, which I just didn't buy. Yeah, just look forced. But I do like this whole sequence with him with Marta. Yes. Yes. Speak straight to him.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Martak says, why are you on this ship? Yeah. And he doesn't want to talk in the beginning. He says it's a private matter. Martak says, you know, you're not a warrior and tells him that Worf requested that you'd be transferred

off the ship. So pack your things. Alexander's a little angry about this, but Martak offered him a chance to explain himself. Why are you here? And Alexander doesn't, you know, he's a kid. He's not ready to. dive into it all. But Martak says, you know, you didn't answer me. Just say what's in your heart and Alexander can't do it. So no, Martuk says, we're going to get out of here. And Alexander says he

has no right. I like that that Martuk really backs it all up. He's got a right as your dad and your superior officer. Sorry, you're out. Yeah, every right. Yeah. Yeah, we go into the mess hall. Alexander stabs his knife down on the table by Worf's plate and Warf's like, whoa, you're fortunate that I'm your dad because you challenge somebody else like that and you'd be dead. And Worf says, you're not a warrior. Again, I feel like we've said this a lot in the storyline. Let's redact that.

We all got right away that he's not a warrior. Worf says, you know, I know you're not a warrior. You told me that. And I've accepted it now. And Alexander says, you've never accepted me. Not really. You never accepted me. You abandoned me.

Which is really at the heart of this whole story. I wish they'd talk about abandonment more. Yeah. And if you keep Zael in the story, how her father abandoned her. I mean, Kira does say it. Well, she doesn't say abandoned. But there's no tie to this commonality between the sons and daughters. Yeah.

Alexander says you haven't tried to see me or talk to me in five years. I wasn't the son you wanted. So you pretended you didn't have a son. So you didn't accept me, you abandoned me. Well, this honest conversation gets interrupted by Martok. We hear that it's battle time, battle stations. And this for me was just so bizarre because he, he, he wharf hands back the dagger to his son.

And Alexander does this weird running, trotting thing out of the scene, out of the shot. It just, it just looks, I don't know, it was so awkward for me. I don't know if I noticed that. Oh, my goodness. A little too jovial and feminine and. I'm a warrior now. I'm going to dance to my warrior station. It was like he was in a commercial for some type of something, you know. Yes, right. I've had my sprite. I'm ready to go.

And he just runs out. There's caffeine in it now. Caffeineated Sprite. It's the best. It's really, it's just, you didn't see that though, Robbie. I guess you didn't clock that. He didn't see it. He does this really weird, enthusiastic run out of there. It was bizarre because they had just gone through this very tense. moment, right, between father and son where you abandoned me and now it's battle station. And he's like, nothing happening. He's like, okay, here I go. I'm going to prance over.

That's what he was doing. He's prancing. He prancing. He prancing. He is a Russian ballet dance. He is a Russian ballet dancer. So there you go. All right.

We go to the bridge next. The battle is underway. There's a big explosion. The retardant is getting beaten up pretty badly. Lots of sparks. Lots of smoke. There's always smoke on Klingon shipped. Yeah.

I think they should fan it out somewhere. Were they hit? They weren't hit. Yeah, they were. Oh, yeah. Oh, they were. Well, they're fighting. They're in the middle of this fight.

Systems are getting damaged very badly. Plasma's venting from an impulse injector. And that's when Alexander says, look, I can't help you here. You know, we all know that. Let me go fix the impulse injector. And that's when Chittargue offers to go with him. So now they're buddies. Doesn't Alexander get blown back by an explosion in this scene?

Yeah, the special effects in the scene, all of the, you know, you know, sparks and the venting of plasma and the smoke, I thought was really, really good. It looks good on a, on a Klingon vessel, especially good. Yeah. Worf's a little worried for Alexander to go do this because he could die. He says go. The battle continues. It's a pretty back and forth rough battle, but they do win.

And then Wharf wants to go find Alexander, and Martak says, go, go find him. So we cut out to the corridor. Orf rounds the corner and he doesn't see Alexander. He's trapped inside this damaged corridor. Where is my son? Yeah, where's my son? He doesn't see him. Chaturk says that they sealed the impulse injector,

but then Alexander trapped himself in the corridor. He tripped some kind of emergency lockdown and they're trying to open the doors. It's embarrassing. It was a cute moment, though. No, but when they comes out and all the Klingon laugh, and then Warf turns at them and they just freeze, They stop laughing. Like, okay, we stop laughing now.

He puts his hand on his shoulder, though. Nice fatherly physicality. Now we cut back to PS9. Zial sees Kira in a hallway, and she's very hurt. She took it personally that Kira didn't come to her celebration party. And Kira says, you know why it didn't come. And Zial says, please don't ask me to choose between the two of you. She says she's not, that she understands.

There's no choice because he is your father. even though he wanted you dead. A few episodes back. Yeah. Not my circus. Yes. Not my monkeys. Although I don't know why they have that phrase because I don't remember saying monkeys in the circus ever.

Do you know I had an aunt and uncle, a great aunt and uncle in Raleigh, North Carolina that owned some property near downtown Raleigh back in the 20s, 30s, 40s, way back when. And the Ringling Brothers Circus used to come travel by train. They put up other, you know, animals and things on the train. And the property my family owned was near the train tracks near downtown Raleigh. So they would host the circus every year. The Ringling Brothers Circus would come in on the train. They'd bring the animals off.

They'd do a little parade. They set up their tent. And it was right near my Aunt Gladys's house. That's so cool. And the circus ended up giving her a couple of chimpanzees. What? And in their backyard, they had, it looked like zoo cages for the chimpanzees, but the chimpanzees were very mean.

They were angry. I don't blame them. No, they can. Yeah. They're dangerous if they're angry. You couldn't go near the chimpanzee cages. It was so sad. Oh, no.

Even as a little boy, I knew this is not. No. No. Well, that's a terrible gift. We go to Wharf's quarters next. And this is a big. moment because Worf apologizes for the mistakes he made as a father. And he promises Alexander, he's going to stand by his side from this day forward.

So it's a nice, heartfelt, you know, healing moment kind of scene. Yeah, it is. We need this scene. It's the only scene. I felt like, oh, it's paying off the story. Finally, yeah. I just so wish Alexander didn't just say right after he says what you just said, you know, I promise I'll stand by you.

And Alexander said, well, we'll see if you. You mean it. It's like, okay, I guess it's truthful. It's just. It doesn't feel like a story resolve. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's just seen how his father's treated him when he got trapped and all of that.

And we're still holding on to, I'm angry. Yeah. I wish that the whole story had had a mission that was more concrete that Alexander sort of proved himself and Worf doubted him and needed him. and needed him suddenly, and there could have been a story. And it came through. And it came through in an unexpected way. Yes. You know, there just wasn't a story to support this moment.

Orf says in the end, I will teach you what you need to know to be a warrior. And you will teach me what I need to know to be a father. Great lie. Yeah, it's not that that didn't touch. That got me for sure. It felt a little like a cheat to pull up my heartstring there. when you haven't given me the whole story. So it's like, thank you for giving me the cherry on the top of the Sunday.

Now, can we have the Sunday? Yeah, now we go to the return ready room. There's lots of candles. Martak takes his house insignia out of the box, puts it into a bowl. There's a big ceremony here where Alexander is welcomed into a Klingon house. He is a warrior. He is now part of the house of Martok. He is son of wharf.

Here's a little bit of trivia. the British Board of Film Classification, the BBFC, cut this episode by approximately 25 seconds in this last, because this last scene. Because, and here's the reason. Oh, because they cut themselves. Well, yeah, because they join the blood, right? So the reason given by the BBFC for the censorship was that because the show was aimed primarily at teenagers, they felt that a scene in which two characters mixed blood, mixed blood could encourage viewers to do likewise, hence increasing the risk of HIV transfer. And that is why they cut it out.

Honestly, when I said, I thought about the times when you're a kid. Yeah, and you prick your thumb and you put your, I did that as a blood oath as a kid. I did that with friends. Yeah. And my sister. Yeah, there was definitely a time. So I understand their concern. Yeah.

But I did think that. I mean, I obviously know it's fake blood, so I wasn't worried about the actors in the scene. My lesson is that family reconciliation takes acceptance on both sides. Well said. To add to that, you really have to put your patient hat on. Acceptance, forgiveness. You've got to forgive yourself and forgive them and give yourself time to process. Because I don't think this all happens in one conversation, most of.

the time because some things are shocking. Like there's a lot to unpack here for the two of them. And to further what Tara Fair said, I guess, a theme that I'm going to say or lesson or moral would be patience because that takes patience. And in terms of giving it time, both sides have to be patient. And that's very difficult to do sometimes when it's emotional. It's all worked up and people just want to jump at it. But patience.

And my other main theme lesson slash moral is family first. Our patron poll winner for the third. theme and moral of this episode is submitted by Alex Ray, and that is, children and parents have to be a team for both to succeed. Honorable mention for theme slash moral, as submitted by Nicole Bratel. If you have never been hated by your child, you have never been a parent, Betty Davis. Well, we've come to the end of our recap and discussion of sons and daughters. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in.

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