The Delta Flyers - Sons of Mogh

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Sons of Mogh, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.Sons of Mogh: Worf’s brother Kurn asks him to perform a death rite to regain his lost honor.We would like to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers, Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Roxane Ray, Tim Neumark, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Andrew Cano, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, Chris Garis, Sean T, & Cindy WoodfordOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Cindy Ring, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, David Wei Liu, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Andrew Duncan, Randy Hawke, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Ryan Mahieu, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Keir Newton, Mariette Karr, Jeff Allen, Tamara Evans, & Deb LahrAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Karen Galleski, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Cassandra Girard, Robby Hill, Andrea Wilson, Slacktwaddle, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Jim Poesl, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Shawn Battershall, Natalie Swain, Brian Heckathorne, Kilian Trapp, Nelson Silveira, Ming Xie, Kit Marie Rackley, Gordon Watson, & Andy BruceThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Yeah, that's a new one. I haven't heard that. Yes. You never know what's going to happen on this podcast. Oh, my God, I'm exhausted already. Have you guys seen Superman? No. Have you seen it yet?

My friend has seen it three times already. My son sent me this picture. Oh, that's adorable. The day after it was released, it's overseas where war is happening. Yeah. And he's wearing a Superman cape. Yeah, which is. And it was just a very moving photo.

Heart wrenching. Yeah. The world needs Superman right now. Yes. I have to admit, I'm a little, I've been a little burned out for a while on the Marvel thing. Yeah. This one seems kind of interesting, like the superhero thing. But this one seems kind of interesting.

And it's also, it's also DC, not Marvel. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I said. I just refrain from saying anything because I get mom. Like, how can I get them mixed up? I have a son, but I do. It just. Well, I knew it was D.C., but I say Marvel because it's a kind of movie.

You're saying a whole superhero type of movie. You're burnt out. Yeah. And I know a lot of people listening are going to say, like, how dare you? But I don't know. I kind of got, there was so much of it. You're just being honest. Yeah.

And they're really, they were really good and probably are still good. It was just too much of them. But this one seems different. Sometimes there's too many of them all at once. You're like, come on, give us one at a time so we can enjoy the meal. What makes it special is it's James Gunn directing this one. There's that. We love him.

He's freaking talented. Guardians of the Galaxy, yes. I like this feeling. It feels more like the comic books come to life. I mean, for me, Chris Reeve will always be my Superman. me too but yeah because he really did embody the dorkiness of clark and being such a well-rounded man it was like he was so like in a healthy masculine right he was just such a great guy and there is that this actor he's definitely more of an every man in comparison to chris reeve when i look at

This guy, this guy could be the mechanic down the street. You know what I'm saying? It's like, but that's, but that's the beauty of it. The really hot mechanic. Very, I was going to say that. He's a little bit like our Ethan Pack. Like when he dresses down, he still has that head of Moppy Curls. He can't help him be charming and sexy and smart and need I go on about Ethan?

But this, David has the same qualities. He does. He does. He's not as pretty bold. He has the moppy hair as Clark, and you're like, uh-uh. And that's his hair. He can't help but be that gorgeous. But he also is very grounded.

I like that there's a bigger picture to this entire film about this is a time that the not just the earth, the people, all of us need hope for a better future. And we can dovetail that right into our lovely Star Trek franchise that we're a part of. So, Terry, is that a thumbs up for the Superman film? Are you doing it? I need to watch it again, though, because I was so completely exhausted. I did those out a couple of times. Okay.

Is it a long one? No, no, no. It was just because I had a house guest, and we were up from 1230 to 630. I mean, we slept from 1230, 6.30, so six hours a night. And then we did a road trip down to Carlsbad Caves and White Sands. Yeah. all like only gone one night so i did all the driving and then i just i ran under gas that happens i do that happens i wish i'd done that last night instead i stood up until three in the morning but

yeah but you're like finishing right yeah yeah when you're so close to finishing it's so hard to get back to bed yeah i was telling you guys i was telling terry and garrett about i just i've been working on my director website for like five days straight yeah and i'm so proud of it Check it out. RDM director.com. Please enjoy. People can go check it out. Yeah.

Anyone can check it out. For funsies. I was like, are you allowed to give out that information? Yeah, you are. Anybody can go look at that. It's my website. Yeah. I can tell anybody.

RDM. Dot com. No, RDM director.com. There you go. I've been doing it all myself. And you're still tweaking it. I'm so proud.

Yeah, I'm going to keep tweaking it. Now I'm into this. That was very little rascal. of you the way you said that. I'm so proud. Okay. Hey, everyone, it's time to say happy birthday to a couple of people. Starting with Luce. Luce. Luce has a birthday on September 9th. Happy birthday, Luce. Happy birthday, Luce. Light up your life. Happy birthday, Luce. Less than a week after Luce's birthday on September 13th, it's Daniel Kaminsky's birthday. Happy birthday to Danielle on September 13th. September 13th. Happy birthday, Danielle.

Happy birthday, Danielle. Some of the greatest poets in the English language like Garrett Wong, Robert Duncan McNeil, Terry Farrell. Sons of Moog, artistic poetry coming right up. Here we go. Worf's brother seems like he's a goner. This family visit will be a marathoner. Kern is very combative he really doesn't want to live it's not easy dealing with your feelings of honor I freaking like that did did you yes what I didn't like is that you didn't commit to it like it was let me do it again let me do it again am I not right yeah I'm going to go very I'm going to go very dramatic with this here we go all right here we go yeah here's my limerick

Worf's brother Seems like he's a goner This family visit Will be a marathoner Kern is very combative He really doesn't want to live It's not easy dealing with your feelings Of honor

I think that was better A better read Thank you I was giving it a little juzh Honestly I don't think it needed juzh But I think it needed you To commit Yeah, a commitment

and respect the fact that you created a little piece of work. And just because you did it in a short period of time doesn't mean it's not worth it. I thought it was really good. You just got to go with your instincts. You can't overthink it. No. My poem for The Sons of Mope is my life mine. Rules surround my time.

Physical pain or mental. Strict dogma, hardly gentle. Ooh, nice. Really? You're always so beautiful and deep and sensitive. They're just thoughtful and they make you think too at the same time. Well, what just kind of yanked my chain is this idea. I mean, honestly, I do wish I had more time with it.

But what yanked my chain is it's okay if somebody else kills you in battle. It's okay if you get killed because you're in physical pain. When you're in the kind of mental pain that in my personal experience is far worse than physical pain, you know? Yeah. There's no band-aid for it or painkiller for it. Not really. Not really. If you're not medicated on something, you feel it.

Yeah. But he's feeling like he doesn't belong as a part of this world. And it's not a brand new feeling. and it sounds like he's very clear on it, and he can't go. But who's to say, now, it's okay to take his memory, but it's okay. How is that different from taking his physical body?

It just, there's a lot there to explore. It deserves more time, this kind of a subject, because a lot of people face it, yeah. All right, here's my haiku for Sons of Mogue. Kern wants mock to vore. Cisco yells at dwarf and Dax. He does. Memories erased.

That was great. Thank you. Wow. That was great. Thank you. Very nice. Who wrote this? Ronald D. Moore.

Of course. Ron Moore. Amazing. We love Ron. David Livingston is the director on this one. It's funny because it didn't feel like classic David Livingston. It didn't. I actually started watching it, and I thought, wait, I didn't see who the director was.

Yeah, same. Yeah. And I thought, oh. I was surprised. Yeah. Okay. Guest stars, Tony Todd, the talented Tony Todd, as Kern slash Rodeck. Also, Robert Doqui as Nogra.

We have co-stars Del Yount as Talikia, who is that Boslik guy that's in the... He was good. Yeah, he's the one that Kern was like, open that up. up now, you know, or whatever. He's talking to him, that's a little Talikia. And then Elliot Woods as the Klingon officer, I think he's the one that gets phasered that has the little knife. Poor guy.

Poor guy. Well, he did have a knife. Yeah, he was going to kill Worf. So Kern was like, yeah, he was defending his brother. Yeah, yeah, you know, so it was going to be Worf Shish Kabob. So he stopped it from happening. So, okay. All right.

A little bit of trivia here. The working title of this episode was Brothers Keeper. And I... I like that. I like that. I actually like that title better. Me too. Sons of Mogue almost seems like a cop out. Like, hey, let's just Sons of Mogue.

Well, also you're disguising it like they're going out. It's about them. I don't know. It kind of has a hero vibe to it. Like they're going to conquer. Yeah. Okay. Let me just read a little bit about this original draft.

So Ronald D. Moore's original draft of this teleplay for this episode. When Kern arrives in the station, Worf refuses to perform the Machtovar ritual. And the episode concerns Worf trying to find Kurt a job, all the while Kern continually pleading with Worf to kill him. According to Moore, the problem with this draft was that all of the tension was built upon the fact that the audience didn't know if eventually Worf might give in and actually acquiesce to Kern.

However, you knew Warf wasn't going to kill his brother and the rest was all very by the number stuff. it was while trying to instill more tension in the episode that Moore hit on the notion to have Worf actually perform the ritual and not at the end of the episode, but right up front at the start. According to Moore, he was hoping that this unexpected move on Worf's part

would make the audience sit up and go, whoa. Which it does. I mean, we're all going, whoa. My goodness. All right. This episode contains the very first hint of a possible attraction between Warf and Jedzia Dax?

And that's so true because it was not a hint. Where is this coming from? It was like left field. So the writers put Michael Doran and Terry together in this episode mainly to see if they had any on-screen chemistry. Oh, it was a screen test.

In a way, and when it was discovered... We got paid for it too. Yeah, great. A paid screen test. And when it was discovered that they did have chemistry, the writers decided to make them a couple. So it was off of this episode that they enjoyed their on-screen chemistry, and boom.

Yay. Well, I'm glad they did. I think it was the first fight scene. Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you guys nailed it. And finally, Surrock Lofton, unfortunately, does not appear in this episode. I feel like there's a bunch of episodes lately he hasn't appeared.

Oh, yeah. I like seeing Jake. I do. I like seeing everybody. But the truth is, I mean, obviously, Andy's not in this episode either, is he? He's not a series regular, but it sure feels like he is. He does. Yeah.

Let's jump in. Let's jump in. Okay. We're in the caves. Yes. Dax and Worf fighting it up. Well, at first, when we open, I'm like, where is Wharf? This is cool.

We're opening up and I thought. Seems like a mission. Yeah. It did seem like a mission. Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of walking through the caves. He's got this small, what is it called? His mechleth.

Mechleth, yes. He's got the mechleth. But he runs into Dax, who's got a batleth, and they fight some. Nice moves, by the way, nice action there. Thank you. Good, good athletic choreography. Worf wins, though. He takes his little mechleth and breaks the batleth in two, which is a cool move.

I never saw that before. Yeah, but at that point, I'm like, was that batlith made of porcelain? Like, how does it break that easily? I'm a little, I'm sorry. If Worf is that strong, how did he do you? not beat me in like two strokes exactly so i have my issues with that that's okay well i thought it was super cool okay plink yeah he's an alien come on he's all right yeah we'll just go with it's a cool move yeah and he's super strong doesn't matter we're also making it plausible we're in space

and he's a cling on and i am a trill yeah so okay so uh wharf uh warf wins dax acknowledges that this mechleth she she's convinced wow she's learned a little something the mechleff is pretty cool it's got some advantages then wharf says well you were trying to take advantage of of me with that outfit on so flirting he said that i was overconfident yes that's what he said distracting me with your outfit right and then i said he is too yeah with your sexy growls it was very they wrote a screen test for you guys for sure. Yeah. And no warning. It wasn't like they said if you guys, we weren't in on it. Well, you played it. You guys played it beautifully. It was great. Very well done. Did anyone think like, okay, but that's a human thing to be distracted by, like, would

Klingons be distracted by outfits? Would they be distracted by cleavage? What if they're distracted by fangs or teeth? Also, Worf is becoming more human. That's a big part of this episode. I'll buy that. I will buy that, Robbie. That makes sense. Okay. Well, and I'm Daxx. I just do what I do. I was just more comfortable in that. And I love that outfit, the burgundy, that color. It looked great. Cranberry, whatever it was. I look great. Very nice. Bob Blackman, good job. So auto calls. He says, please report to airlock five. Commander, there's an intoxicated cling on here who's demanding to see you. And Worf has to miss, you know, give up the girl here reluctantly. We go to the airlock. We do see this drunken clingon.

He's got a knife. He's got a dagger. It's Tony Todd. Yes. Hurne, Worf's brother. And he says, I want you to kill me. That's the scene. Wow.

Yeah, that's sort of hard to wrap your brain around. Yes. Hi, brother. Stab me to death, please. And it's a Klingon ritual, right? So this is something that they've both grown up with. They understand what this means. Mokhtomor.

It's not just like, hey, come just kill me. It's a ritual that's going to happen. They're going to get ready for this thing. Yes. We go to Warf's quarter. is corn corn corn i'm gonna call them corn you can call them corn he's a kernel of corn you could think of like do you remember the do you remember do you remember the kernel uh juice drinks k-e-r-n yeah yeah i do i do they were really expensive but they were like yeah like mango and apricot and meat but they were

like a puree or something so do so whenever you were watching this episode every time you heard kern did you think about juice i did got it i think he's a page he's a page and rob he's going to think about a kernel of corn every time he says it okay yeah he is from iowa kern is lying on the uh the couch there he's twitching he is drunk he's having the dTs who knows wakes up and he's kind of it's uncomfortable to watch yes he's looking at his hand or something yeah what was that yeah and there's a green glass of lids It's sitting on this table. He turns basically mad.

He says the family has been dishonored. Worf has shamed them. They've lost everything. I like how Tony Todd's, he's hung over, whatever, but he's really agitated at the top of the scene. And I really liked at the end of this scene as he talks to him about losing everything, he starts kind of seducing him in a way. Like as an actor, he turns from this, you know, bombastic kind of.

yeah that's not working so we shifts gears yeah yeah i thought it was really a smart turn and it also allowed colonel of corn in the background to to be kind of um getting into warf's head with these ideas of you know losing honor losing status the family um because there was that close up of michael dorne and you see kern in the background but um he's out of focus there and I thought it was really nice. I'd like to add something. I was wondering in this if Kern is actually making Wharf consider, contemplate for the first time the consequences of him choosing the Federation over.

Because I remember that episode. We saw it together. And it was like, yeah, good for Wharf. But I do remember not spending much time. I'm thinking about losing the seat in the council, the land, how it's going to affect his family. Everything has been confiscated. They have, he has not, there's nothing left for the Moog family. No.

It's all gone. Yeah. And it was because Worf stood with the Federation. Yep. So this is also in that moment thinking, this is how Worf is going to do what his brother needs him to do. because he didn't consider the consequences so wholeheartedly. He really did think time would pass, things would get better, and he'd go back and get his seat to the council back and all that.

He even says it later in the episode, but this kind of hurt my heart for him a little bit because we've all made choices that we haven't completely considered the consequences for people we love. Yeah. And then been regretful for that. Yeah. And based on what Garrett, what you said earlier that Ron Moore originally didn't have him attempt this tradition, this Mocktivore, didn't have him do it in the first draft.

This is the only scene. This scene has to turn him to make that choice. So this is a very important scene. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we hear O'Brien's log. He says operations log, start 8-49556.2. He says, Major Keir and I return to the station after completing our inspection tour of Bajoran colonies along the Cardassian border.

So they're heading back to DS9. Keir's asleep. She got her back to us. Her feet are up. It was weird. I never seen her sleep. That's hard to believe. Yeah.

Yeah. It wasn't a lot. And in the chair. She played it well, though. I mean, I believed it. I was like, okay. I'd believe it more if it was reclined and she was relaxed. Her feet up crossed.

Seven hours. She said seven hours. Not our freedom fighter. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Well, she's asleep. O'Brien wakes her up and they're reentering Bajorn space. And they do take a shot at Cork's food in the scene.

That's weird. But no one's taking a shot at Corks's food. But those two might. But I don't think everybody does. Yeah, Cira definitely does. She's always taken a shot. Right. I get that. Right. She hates him because he's quark. So she might hate his food just because she hates him. Correct. But there's no comment of cork having crappy food until now. This is season four now. Right. Does Kira hate all Ferengis or is it just quark? Yeah. I think it's all Ferengi. She doesn't trust. But she hates cork. Yes, because he gets away with stuff that's not okay to get away. I get it.

And it is kind of weird that we're a Federation space station and that he does, I mean, only because it's a TV show. Yeah. Yeah. Because otherwise, this guy would be gone and there'd be a new guy. Yeah. But I think it's interesting that he got. I'm glad he gets away with it and continues to practice his Ferengi perspective on things because it makes the station more interesting that it's not a perfect place.

No. And he's great in this episode. and he's like in two tiny scenes. But in both, it just bam, right on the head. He's so good. He's really good. Yeah. Well, there's an explosion outside.

They pick up some kind of high energy discharge, very close by, 5,000 kilometers away. So they had to go see it. And we cut out to space. I love this fly-by shot, but it's a CGI fly-by. We're so used to the same model shots over and over. So to see a new angle, I thought was cool. We're back inside the bridge.

We see a Klingon ship decloak, and it says that they're doing some military exercises here. They were cloaked, tell them to leave. Kira just doesn't buy it. Well, what's weird is that there's no debris, okay? There's nothing. Yeah, there's a big flash of light. A big flash and it's explosion. But there's no, so you're assuming there has to be some type of residue.

There's nothing. So there's what's going on. And we don't see the explosion guys who are listening. We are in the runabout. and we see a flash of light. Yeah, like lightning kind of. Yeah, exactly. But we don't see what it was.

Right. Well, we go to Quarks for one of Terry's favorite scenes. And Dax comes in. She's looking for Wharf. And Quark is very sad, kind of low energy at the scene. I like how Armin played this. It was very grounded and just effortless. And we don't.

usually see him in the state when someone makes it's usually he's angry about it but not what did i do wrong yeah yeah he says that wharf was really rude to him that wharf ordered some incense and then threw cork across the bar when cork replicated it's like confused like why doesn't it wasn't authentic he got thrown across the bar my gosh okay deck says what kind of incense and cork says it was an adanji and dax knows what that means she's very concerned she takes off and quark is insulted again he's like great right i don't answer him and i just run away yeah he's like that's it i'm going to stop talking to all the customers from no one very funny it was cute it was cute inside warfs quarters though this felt the very david living in this scene kind of that tight shot with a smoky incense and

It was a wunner, but it was this ceremony to prepare to, you know, finish off Kern here. And outside in the promenade, we see Dax run into Odo. She learns that it's Worf's brother that came. That was the drunk cling on. And so she takes off, tells Odo to come with her. Back inside Worf's quarters, I can't believe it, but he does it. takes this oh my word yeah close up i don't think we've ever seen a cling on chest a bare chest before no you know what i'm saying like this is my first time i was like look at that it's it's just as

as ridgy as their foreheads it has all those little you know bumps and grooves and everything which i was really surprised i was like wow it's a good detail yeah and they often don't show these kind of details of blood or violence but I think they wanted as you said Garrett in the beginning Ron thought it was important for the audience to go oh my God

worth did that. Yeah and it's super clear what happened. It's not through a uniform you're not right you don't have to rewind to be sure it's a close up and I think they probably built a torso a false torso a prosthetic torso that they could

actually you know take the dagger and yeah it into the prop. Yeah. Yeah. So that insert was very graphic for Star Trek. A little bit of trivia about that blade that he uses. It's called the Mevok blade.

And this type of blade is used in a mocktivore ritual. It was designed by illustrator John Eves because the screenplay did not specify any particular design type. Eves was allowed a free hand in creating the blade. And he ultimately designed it with two separate blades. one for extinguishing the physical life and one for freeing the soul to allow it to travel to Stilvecourt.

Wow. Kind of cool, yeah. Very cool. I think when you give your apartment heads or you give people free reign to kind of like be creative, they come up with some cool stuff when you're not micromanaging them.

I've seen that prop at conventions, you know, that a lot of cosplay people will yeah, will now create that. They'll have that same blade. Or the Mevok blade, yeah. So now we're in the captain's office. office. We see the dagger, that mevick blade, that cool mevick blade. We see it on Cisco's desk. With the blood still on it. Yeah. Ick. Yeah. And they comment. Ick. How about you,

Garrett? Isn't that a little weird to leave the blood on it? Yeah. It's gory, this episode. It's gory. Yeah. I mean, for Star Trek. Yeah. Exactly. It's gory and it's not because the actual, you know, in a scene prior, you see Wharf bring the hand up. You don't see it actually plunging in, you see the after effect when it's stuck in his chest. But there should be far more blood there. I mean, it should be everywhere. But so it is still tame in terms of, right. They pulled it back. It could have been. Well, they did have me run in and put my hands right on it. Dax has magic hands. She has hands that completely cover every, yeah, there we go. We'll go with that. I don't know why Odo didn't go down there because he could, he could changeling himself in

Into a tourniquet. Plug. Yes. Into a... A plug. Yes. A wine, cork, anything, just to stop the blood, yes. Yes.

Well, Cisco's mad in the scene. Avery was really wound up. Are you kidding me? He was furious. He was... Perfect genius tone. Turned it up to 11. He was...

He was perfect tone for this. Great scene for Avery. Great scene. Really, really good. Good job. We do learn from Dax, the Colonel of Corn, will survive and um dax defends wharf she says this is a clingon tradition so and she knows

she knows a lot about cling on so she's kind of explaining and i'm not being flipper light about it no no you're not but uh cisco doesn't want to hear any of that he's just like nope just both of you just get out of my office he screams he's well he's like this is a federal this is a starfleet station yeah we're in charge here it's not a clingon like Yeah, you're not Klingon officers. This is not a Klingon station, right? Yeah. No, and also, Cisco, what I like, makes clear how he's really given Wharf pretty wide birth on his Klingonisms.

But this is going too far. Yes, correct. Dax defends him, says that, you know, maybe there's other options, but Cisco kicks them out. And Dax also says this will never happen again. So she's kind of taking the Federation line there, like, this is not. the solution for this situation there's other options so we head off to the replomat next miles and kira say that maybe this is a clingon cloaked target drone what are the clingons up to they're trying to figure out what this mystery explosion was and it just doesn't seem to add up Cisco does say

run some sensor sweeps take the defiant out there run some sensor sweep see what's going on if Klingons ask why they're there, tell them that this is absolutely legal per their interstellar agreements. Yeah, military exercises, just like they are. Yeah, same thing. They're allowed to do this. And so Kira takes off. And O'Brien stays for a moment.

He asks if they should bring Worf. And Cisco is still mad from that earlier scene. Absolutely not. Under no circumstances, Will Warf go with you? It was so well written that a. didn't carry over his angst from being disappointed with Wharf and Dax and his utter disdain for what they just did or what Worf just did. And then carrying over to the next scene when Kara says, should we bring Wharf and, or should I, she goes understood, should I take Wharf? I don't want wharf anywhere near any other Klingons right now,

but inform him on what's going on. But no circumstances is he to accompany you, is that clear? And so in that, but he still kept a lid on it. Like, it's none of your business what happened. I'm not going to share it. But I thought it was great when O'Brien is sort of wants to, he says, all he says is sir. And CISC goes, don't say it, Chief.

I've already got one officer defending Wharf. And I was like, it was me. And I don't need to. Yeah, it's well written. But then that swings it back around to the camaraderie that we all have for each other, one for all and all for one kind of feeling, right? So I just thought it was really well written. And I know it's not a big scene, but it's these kernels of...

Kernels of Kern. There you go. of us connecting and having community with each other like a family, that is one of those scenes. I mean, it's not everywhere. Yeah, to your point, every episode of DS9 and I watch, I'm always more and more impressed by the writing, by the writers, and their command of the dialogue.

It's so well done. It really is. Yeah, and we can't confront and hit everything in the face. We go to the infirmary next, and we see our kernel of corn in a Cardassian life support, like a it's basically like a Cardassian iron lung it was very cool with a glass like the triangle shape of it it was cool i was watching an episode of foundation so i could see sid and last night there was a box in foundation that you play with and then it gives a big map of the universe i guess

i wonder if they saw this episode to inspire them because the their box and what was on tony todd's head was very similar interesting yeah it's also and pardon me Terry for bringing up our other show but um what does that remind you of Robbie Neelix when he had the iron we had holographic

he could not move at all he was totally stuck in the thing exactly like this and those things were over his lungs he had a holographic lung that was projected he could not move at all because like the lungs were holographic so he was totally in from sick bay and yeah oh and did the lungs resemble that same pattern that was over tony todd's

face no no just the fact that it was just hot is restricted like life support move like he's oh okay like he was in a life support kind of situation just like tony and this yeah right very interesting and you're getting a pass thank you appreciate it pernil of corn is very upset that he is alive He's really just, he can't believe he's alive. No, he wanted to wake up to Stova core. Yeah, and Worf says that this wasn't my choice for you to be here, you know. So Warf's kind of saying I was, I was respectful of this tradition, of this, you know, I was being a good cling on and doing what you wanted.

But Kern says that Worf is a disgrace. He says, so am I. our entire family and he brings up the brother thing here you know he does talk about um how how wharf is his big brother and this happens a few times in the episode which i really liked that he's like tell me what to do you know you're my big brother so there's a lot of that family vibes going on in a way that feels like DS9, like the family of it all that Cisco, you know, his story deals with Miles O'Brien's family stories. Like, this feels like another family story in a good way. That's a good fit for DS9. And the final words that occur in this scene, I have no life. I have no death. Whatever is to

become of me is up to you. He says to Wharf. So now it's all, it's all Worf's game now what's going to happen to his brother. We go into Worf's quarters, speaking of Wharf, Dax comes in, apologizes for interfering. She really gets Klingons, you know, you can see in this scene. I see why they put these characters together because Dax has always kind of had a, you know, an appreciation and attraction of Klingon culture and appreciation of it. And that's Kersons probably the, I think she was interested anyway, but his vast knowledge of and being. Yeah. In the brethren.

Yeah. Definitely gives her an edge. Mm-hmm. She offers, you know, to help anything she can do. Warf just doesn't know what to do next. And Dax suggests, well, Kern could stay here, get a job here. Dax suggests security, which is interesting. I thought, Odo, really?

Work with Odo. I don't know. But we got to the security office. Odo thinks Kern will be too violent, he says to Warf. It's just a bad idea. And Worf says, no, he can make adjustments. And Odo does see in the scene that it's difficult for Worf to ask for a favor. He says, I appreciate how difficult it must be for you asking for a favor, especially for me.

Have Kern report here tomorrow morning. We'll give it a shot. And Worf says, I'm indebted to you. You expect, usually when somebody says, I really owe you, you know, most people are like, oh, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah, you owe me. And I'll call you out on that in the future.

I will come to get my what I need. You'll find I'm a man who collects on his desk. And with no uncertain terms, with no fluff, no, no shame. Kind of mean. But no one says that though. Maybe that's why it sounded mean. Yeah, because it's so. Like I'm going to owe you.

Yes, you do. And it's going to be 10 times worse coming back at you. It was just so snotty. Yeah. It was. Especially after his whole drama he's going through. his brother that's how you were no sensitivity we go to the airlock next kern is working in his new outfit and wharf arrives oh my god and uh ask how's it going and odo says oh he's only killed

four boslic so far and he goes i'm just joking work get a sense of humor yeah lighten up dude uh i didn't think that was funny right away either no i know i was like i was like did he kill them I was like, what? Yes. Blurred lines. Kern doesn't like the outfit at all. And it's funny because Worf thinks he doesn't like the job. He's like, no, literally this outfit is so uncomfortable, which I could relate to.

I get it. Oh my gosh. I can be very uncomfortable. Camel colored wool. He is wearing wool. But Bojurin color scheme works well on Klingon. It does. He looks good.

Yeah, he looks fine. Yeah. Did Garrick make that outfit? I wonder. I'm wondering. Maybe he did. I don't know. but join regulation who knows well tailored very well tailored yes i think that was

bob blackman okay pretty sure that yeah well uniforms he doesn't do uniforms does he really not for the layman i can imagine it right he does like uh cisco's dress uniform our dress uniforms but not our regulation yeah you just replicate those yes well current you know is is almost feels like a little kid to me in this scene he's like don't worry about me brother I'm not going to disgrace you so yeah he it seems like Kern has kind of embraced this solution like oh I'm gonna I'm not going to try to practice this you know this tradition I'm gonna I'm gonna try a new life I'm gonna do my best brother but what is it that makes him take this giant turn. I mean, this is a giant turn.

Well, in the prior scene, he said, like, my whole life is you, whatever you decide it's going to be, right? Isn't that what we're... That's true. That's true. Yeah. But I do, I do, I did believe him to the point where I thought, oh, maybe he's going to become a recurring secure, Bajoran security. Oh, that would be great. Oh, that would have been great. Tony Todd's going to be here every other week now. He says, I'll do my best. And Worf says, I never doubted it carry on. And so it feels like maybe they've got a solution here. We cut up to the Defiant Bridge out on their scanning mission. And I just want to say, like, sometimes the Defiant Bridge to me looks really claustrophobic and small.

This shot looked massive. It looked as big as the Voyager TNG Bridge. So David Wide Angle? Was that a lens? Yeah. It had to be the wider angle lens. I liked it. I like it feeling huge.

Although nanot to me looked like tiny sometimes. I rewound it just to look and make sure her feet were touching. And I thought, okay, if she didn't have a heel on that, her feet would have been dangling. When she was leaning in that chair? Yes. Yeah, I noticed that too. Like a little kid with the feet out of this? Seriously, I rewound it.

I rewound. She was also like leaning back and her legs were kind of apart. Yeah, it was a little. It didn't make her look bigger. It made her look smaller. As opposed to kind of leaning forward. on the edge of the chair would have felt a little more. Like she was, yeah, taking up more space.

Yeah. Interestingly. Well, they do pick up some cloaked readings near the border, but they say the Klingons haven't crossed the line yet when suddenly there's a boom. We see this big damage Klingon cruiser flying right towards them. Kira makes a call, offers help. They say, nope, we don't need the help. But then they change their mind.

They say yes. A nanosecond. Later, we do need some help on second thought. And Kira says, well, the defiance, you know, infirmary is way too small. You need to get to DS9. We got to tow you. Yeah. And they confirm they want to be towed.

But the mystery is how big of the damage on this, this Vorkha class Klingon cruiser. It's massive. It's huge. So that's another mystery that both Kira and O'Brien are thinking. What is doing this? What is they doing this? Yeah. We don't understand how.

Yeah, with no debris from whatever that source is that damage the Klanen. Right. Yeah. We cut into a corridor or Worf's taking a walk with some other security, random person. But he gets a call from Odo. Odo calls about his brother. We need you in the infirmary. Your brother's seriously injured.

Go inside the infirmary and Odo tells Worf, his brother, let himself get shot. Got into an argument with a boss lick. let himself get shot it's very suspicious because this is a Klingon warrior like he could defend himself against and we saw the Boslik earlier Boslick are kind of small

they're right yeah they're not warriors he's like cork size yeah yeah or smaller maybe yeah seems like it seems like his brother has a death wish and Odo says that Kern can no longer be a security officer

yeah sorry this job's not going to work yep Worf goes over to his brother Curran says You know Worf you're my elder brother You're my big brother Tell me what to do

My life is in your hands So he's just lost Poor Colonel of Corn Mm-hmm Poor Colonel of Corn Now it reminds me of the corn kid You guys remember that For me

I really like corn I like corn too I do too Butter, salt and pepper Oh my goodness Yes please Yes We go to the

wardroom next. They're trying to, they're having a big meeting, trying to figure out what damage this cling on ship. And they talk about some ideas. Ultimately, they realize it's mines. Yeah, not torpedoes. Cloaked minds. Yeah, because torpedoes leave ion trails. Correct. Yeah. And basically, Wharf has an idea of how to find out where the mines are. So that's how we end this scene. Here's the thing about the mines. Mining a star system with cloaked. Minds is an act of war. Yes. And, you know, this is a, this is an escalation in where they're at right now.

Especially, isn't this supposed to be free space for them to have their military, whichever side exercises? Yeah. I think so. This is a neutral kind of area. Yeah. So. Demilitarized zone. Yes.

Kira asks, how do we find these mines? Dax says, well, unless we know their coordinates, there's no way to find. them until you run into one so that's when uh wharf has an idea he's like hmm i have an idea we'd go to wharf's quarters and basically kern is trying to you know push warf away because warf is asking him to do undercover work against the klingon empire in essence to find out where these minds are does go spy on them which is ah this is something that's dishonorable clangons don't do this Kurt of Korn does not want to turn turn coat, basically. No.

It's what he explains because he says, you know, Gowron thinks the federation is soft and weak. And Worf says, well, if that's true, then allowing these minds to exist, it's just going to lead to war. Like this is, if we let these minds stay here, eventually something's going to happen to a star, to a federation vessel, then there's going to be a war. and the Klingons will be destroyed, like the Federation. Yeah, it's so much bigger than the Klingons. And he also mentions, Worf mentions, that their actions are dishonorable because secretly mining star systems is not an act of warriors. They behave like Romulan cowards.

Ooh, what an insult. I know it. But the important part is that both brothers agree that if they were to get into a war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire would cease to exist. They would lose. Yeah. They would lose. Yeah. So they agree. So this is actually, Warf says, this is actually an honorable thing.

What they're doing? Save your people by going and, you know, dealing with these minds. So he makes a good argument. We cut to the infirmary and basically Bashir's giving them plastic surgery to kind of disguise them as wounded Klingons from this

damaged ship. Bashir's line. There. Very, very ugly, uglier, that is a joke. It's just very funny. I got it. But in the scene before, can I just say, this is also what is this called?

This episode, the Sons of Moog. And it's the only time Worf has the sentence in the scene before with Kern. Oh, yeah. He said, let it be the Sons of Moog side by side

saving our people, do this with me. And it kind of makes you feel like this could be it. The adventure. The two of them be, yes. Save the Klingons. They'll be heroes.

Warriors. Yes. The spinoff show. The sons of Mogue. It could be. Actually, that would have been good. Would have been smart. We go to the infirmary. They're being disguised with the plastic surgery.

Bashir says even uglier than usual. And the plan is they're going to impersonate injured crew from the Klingon ship. And Kern is very, very happy sitting off to the side as he's in battle gear. He's in battle out of that very uncomfortable. Back in his own clothes. Yes, back in his own clothes. Yeah. And Bashir says, come take a seat. You're next. Kern, Colonel of Corn. Carnal. So now we cut to the Klingon vessel, Warf and Kern beam in. They make their way through. And their modified DNA allows them to get through the security protocols.

Inside the computer room, they go inside the database. And as Worf starts finding this one file, he's like, oh, here it is. And then Kern's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's a decoy file. It's a new, yeah, this is brand new Klingon directive from Galron. We're going to throw all these decoy files in there so that spies will steal the wrong thing, misinformation. But a couple of Kern's security codes still work.

And he's able to find the information that they need, which is the location of every single mine that is cloaked, which is exactly what they need. But unfortunately, that's when a Klingon officer comes into the room and starts questioning of them. I think Worf tries to play tough cop and say, how dare you? You know, you should be cleaning my quarters. We're running a diagnostic. Get out of here. Get out of here, you younger, you young and, you know, whatever. So he's very, very tough on him.

And that's when it looks like the Klingon officer sort of backs away. He's like, well, my apologies, blah, blah, blah. Maybe I can help you. And right when he starts to walk a little bit towards Worf is when Colonel of Corn shoots him with a disruptor pistol. And takes him out. And of course, Worf is like, well, you didn't have to do that, blah, blah, blah. And that's when Colonel of Corn says, take a look at this guy's hand. Here's the knife in it.

It's right there. He was about to kill you. I just saved your life, brother. So, yeah. Worf is in shock, too. He's totally shocked. He can't believe he didn't see that. Yes.

Yes. Which is also kind of weird because, I mean, of course he's shocked. That's his normal. Right. He would have been on top of it. Yeah. Well, he was the tactical officer on TNG, right? So he's supposed to be able to see everything and know it all.

So he's disappointed in himself that he didn't even pick up. Yes. He's disappointed. And he's big brother. And he's, yeah. The little brother. saved his butt so it's shameful yeah and the little brother says well now my dishonor is complete because i killed i killed a warrior yeah yeah so we all the oldest sibling yes we are interesting

yes well that can explain some of us all talking at the same time and correcting each other It all makes sense now. Oh, my God. The oldest, but I'm really the oldest. But back to the episode, that line when he says, you know, he was a warrior doing his duty, defending the empire, and I killed him. I killed him. My dishonor is complete. I felt so sad at that point for him.

Me too. This is like the worst day. It's literally, this episode is the worst day of Kern's life, and it keeps getting worse. It just goes. You can't cut a breath. Like worst time of his life. Worst time of his life. And he keeps getting reinforced that he no longer has the honor to be here.

Right. But what the crazy turn is, you're so gratefully saves Worf's life. Yes. That you're not thinking of the counter side to that at all until he says that. And that's where it's like, oh, snap. I forgot about that perspective. Yes, yes. Just someone throw a bone to Colonel of Corn.

Turn of corn have a break just once. One thing goes his way. One thing. And he has so much contempt for Worf destroying their lives over choosing the Federation. That's just, sorry. I'm sorry, I'm kind of fanning out. It's okay. I mean, he's torn to bits.

He's torn to bits inside, clearly, right? Well, we go to the wardroom next. They've got all this mining data that Worf and his brother got. Basically, it's a complete ring around the Bajoran system. Oh, they did they mind everything around it? Everything. Well, that's just rude. It's dirty.

And dirty, dirty, dirty play. Underhanded, yes. But they're very happy. They got all these mind coordinates and they're going to destroy them. And Worf is ashamed of this scene because he says he's lost all his Klingon instincts. I say something to him. You can't tell whether somebody's going to kill you by looking at them. And he says a Klingon can.

Yeah, Klingon should be able to. An instinct I no longer have. Kern was right. He's been with the humans too long. That's the problem. Yeah. And he realizes in the scene, he can't ever go back to the Klingon Empire.

No. He thought maybe one day he could go back to the house of Morgh. But nope. Yeah, that's what I was saying about in the beginning. So go back to not considering the absolute consequences of his decision of sticking with us in the Federation. You're right, Terry. And every single scene that happens. from the beginning is him realizing holy crap what did i do exactly i didn't think it all the way

through nope yeah he says he only sees uh colonel of corn's request as murder now he's just like the humans that's when dax has an idea oh is there a way you could kill your brother without killing killing him and now i feel super guilty shoot oh you shouldn't it was the writers that made you say it so exactly daddy made me do it daddy this this next scene is when we're back on the defiant bridge this is when kira's sitting back this is the scene yeah this is a scene very relaxed in the captain's chair legs are kind of stuck yeah dangling off i don't know it was funny to me it was funny but it was i don't know it just made her look smaller and made me rewind to go,

her feet dangling. And it makes me want her to be leaning forward, even if it's kind of relaxed, but I just want her the posture was strange. Yeah. I mean, I know they're relaxed because of what's going on, but still, that they know what's going on, but they're still

out there. The Klingons are still out there. Oh, yeah. And so, I don't know. I would have chose to have her have more of a Captain Kirk hose, which I'm sure we've seen all of them do from your Kate. Yeah. And it's just a more powerful because they're little women. I mean, they're both so slender. Well, she warns the Klingons that they're about to blow up the mines and they don't get anything back.

They blow up one. And she's warning them because she knows they're cloaked out there somewhere. All these Klingons are somewhere out there. and so are the mines. We're going to start blowing up these mines. They blow up one, nothing, no response. Then they blow up a bunch. That was a cool shot.

Yeah, wasn't it? Yeah. And lots of ships decloak. And start taking it off. They're like, later. Bye, bye. Yeah. Did they just decloak so we could see them because, or they can't go to warp?

They can't go to work, right? Yeah, I think so. When they're cloaked, yeah. Okay. Well, that was a success. Kira says, all right, let's keep going, see how many other birds we can flush out. So it seems like this story is going to, is kind of wrapping up. They're finishing that.

Yeah. Yeah. Go to Wharf's quarters next. Kern has a bottle and a gun, puts the gun to his head. Wharf walks in and reminds him, if you take your own life, it's not going to get you across the river of blood and to Stovacore. And Colonel of Corn is drunk. And he starts talking on it. kind of a personal level about I wish we'd grown up together, you know.

I feel like I don't even know you. But what I know of you, he basically says, I can tell Worf, you're an honorable man. And he passes out, Gurn's out. And this moves Wharf. And Worf says, you know what? I will, you will be honorable again too, but not as my brother. Dun, done, da. What?

Yeah. We do learn what Dax's idea that she told Worf, maybe he can, you can kill him but not kill him. We learn what that idea was in the infirmary because Bashir explains to Worf that he's going to change his memory. He's going to wipe out his memory and change his features. And basically he's like going into witness protection almost or something. You know, like high end witness protection. High end. He's going to give him this plastic surgery, give him a new, a new, wipe his memory, basically.

And then Worf says he knows this man named Nogra, who will provide him with a new identity and all the answers he needs. Well, he'll become his son. He's taking him on. Yes. Yeah. Right. So sweet. It's sweet.

But this is literally the one thing that a lot of fans had an issue with, which is you're going to erase his memories with. his consent, you should have said something to Colonel of Corn. You should have said, hey, this is what we're going to do. You're going to have a whole new, you know, we're going to erase all your memories as Kern. You're going to come back as whatever. They should have given him that offer to begin with. So a lot of fans were very upset about this when they watched this episode.

Is my life mine? That's what I was thinking about in writing my poem. It's just, it's not his and there are rules around it. and doesn't matter physical or mental, there's dogma you have to stick to, and it's not gentle. No. This feels morally wrong. Yeah, it really does. A little bit, one more bit of trivia.

Tony Todd was dissatisfied with the episode and commented, I accepted to do the part before I got the script. And then I saw what they were doing. I felt it was really a disservice to people that were really into Kern and in. into the Klingon legacy. So he was not happy with the, you know, oh, and how heartbreaking to get the script and read this. And realize, what? I have no control over this.

Okay. And I just died in one way. Yes. So clearly I'm not coming back to Deep Space Nine. If I have some other guy from a small planet, yeah. Yeah. Well, Bashir does say once this is done, it cannot be reversed. I'm not going to remember you.

Why did he have to say that? I know. Exactly. Come on, I can figure it out. I'm Dax. Worf says it's the only way. You may begin. Poor Colonel of Corn.

Gosh, darn it. A little later, we see another Klingon arrive. This is Nogra. Yeah. Worf's buddy. And he tells Colonel of Corn that you're my son. And he tells Kern that you're going to be told everything. I'll fill you in on everything.

and he passes Wharf and then Kern stops for a moment and he says, are we family? And Worf says, no, I have no family. So sad. Oh, heartbreaking. Is it worse if he would have died?

No. Yeah. Sad for both. Yeah, for both of them. Sad ending. For sure. Very sad. But a beautiful shot by David Livingston

the crane shot out on the promen I took the angle of like this story of honor and dishonor that Kern was telling himself was making him want to not be alive anymore. And so to me the lesson is the stories that we tell ourselves have great power. So choose wisely. Like we're going to tell ourselves these stories of this negativity, this self-talk that's that's just going to beat us down. They do have great power.

Change your story, you know. And in a way, that's what Worf did. He changed his story. He's now going to be son of Nogra, and he's going to change his story. But that was, there's a lot of lessons and a lot of angles you could take in this episode. That was mine.

Perry, what is your lesson from this episode? In making a decision that changes your life, carefully consider the consequences because I was holding on to that from the beginning and sort of have Worf as my this is his show right even though it's also Kern's show but he's

Worf is our guy so I'm seeing his results of his consequences destroying his brother's life and creating all of this his he would never be in the situation with his brother had he not sided with it's just a lot to weigh so as best you can carefully consider your consequences smart doesn't mean you won't have you're going to have some no matter which way you go but it's think about what you want to live with yeah it's funny that you say like warf's our guy

because you're right you know our point of view should be through warf's experience but I was torn a bit in this. Like, I kept feeling like I was in Colonel of Corn's point of view quite often. And it was a little split POV for me in terms of the story of this. I love Ron Moore. I think he's super talented and one of the best writers I've known in my career. However, I don't think this is the best script. I don't.

For me, this one was, and even, I feel that way even more in us talking about it because the gravitas of this topic, I don't know that it was unpacked as fully as it could have been. And I think the point of view is a little confusing sometimes. That's why I was surprised it was David Livingston. Like I think all around, it wasn't David's best work. It was a little middle of the road most of this episode. Just based on your theme, like the gravitas of this topic is profound and I'm not sure that it was dealt with

as fully as it should have been Well this isn't the original script Eric just said this is not Ron Moore's original script It got tweaked with So in defense of Ron I'm sure there's things

Like all of us do For the company And it's our job contractually To keep our jobs to do it So there are times when our work might suffer because it's part of a bigger creative team, machine. Yeah. If I'm going to have a lesson, it would be protect the family at all costs because that's pretty much what Worf is doing.

He's decided that his younger brother is going to be protected and not killed by having a completely new identity where he doesn't remember anything of his past life, which is so controversial. But, you know, I guess that's my lesson for this episode. I suppose. If there is one, yeah. Family first. It's a lot. Family first, yeah, protect the family. The Patreon poll winner submitted by Alex Ray, you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved.

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