The Delta Flyers - The Disease

Episode Date: June 13, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is The Disease. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.The Disease:Harry Kim has a passionate affair with an exotic alien explorer, violating Starfleet protocol and putting the Voyager crew and Varro species in danger.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, Brannon Braga, & Bryan FullerAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Daniel de Rooy, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lori Tharpe, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Shambhavi Kadam, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Brandon May, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Jeremy Mcgraw, Jason Bonnett, Ian Ramsey, & Jack FineAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hendrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Liza Albright, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, John Mann, Holly R. Schmitt, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Craig M. Nakashian, Julie McCain, Will Forg, Max Wilson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, Russell Nemhauser, Chris Casiano, Philip Van Vlack, & Lawrence Green Thank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow Trek actor and guest star of the 1990 Quantum Leap episode, Good Night. Dear heart, Mr. Robert Duggan McNeil. Oh, wow. And myself, your favorite reverence in Garrett Wong. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a patron at patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers. Oh, my gosh. I'm reaching deep.

You are really deep. You are a quantum leap. Yes. Yes. One of my favorite shows, by the way, when I was growing up. I love that show. So I'm sure I saw your episode, not knowing that that was. was you.

Did you look similar to how you looked in Masters of the Universe? No, no, they like cut my hair short and kind of greased it back, like 50s style. You're a 1950s guy. Okay. Yeah, he was a real kind of shy, quiet. He was in love with a, as I remember, I haven't thought about that in years. As I remember, I think my character was in love with some girl who died and was heartbroken. And Scott Bacula was investigating his Quantum Leap style.

right and discovered that she was killed by like her best friend a girl who was in love with her but it was forbidden back then so there was some interesting stories in that episode and my favorite memory of quantum leap was going to the looping stage i went to go do my looping my adr stuff and uh scott baccula was there he was great on set by the way he was such a he was amazing and That's what I hear about him. So he was, yeah, and I've worked with him a few times, and he's always amazing. But my best memory of Quantum Leap was going to do my looping. And I got there.

And he was finishing up his looping. And his kids were on these blankets with toys on the floor. And I remember just going in and going and thinking, my God, like, he's here doing his looping and he brought his kids and they're playing and he's hanging out. what a good guy. Like I remember that that looping as we cross paths just going, he's an awesome guy. Well, you know what? It influenced you because you did bring your child to set to the looping stage once as well.

I was scheduled after you. So you were before me. And so when I arrived, Taylor was there. Your oldest child was with you at the time. And then she was doing some, of course, she goes, Garrett, look, this is my new dance routine. and she started doing, she started showing me this choreographed dance. You know, she took dance, I guess, when she was very young. So she was twirling around, showing me all these moves and everything.

And I was like, that's wonderful, Taylor. I need to work right now. Please, can I please come work now? It was so funny. It was almost like time would stop when your daughter was around. Oh, yeah. She would take over for sure. Here's a question.

That's like Scott Bacula. Yeah, very much like Scott Bacchuket. Did you, when you direct. did Enterprise. Did Scott go quantum leap like that? Did he remember you from the show? I don't think he remembered. Oh, that's too bad. I don't think he remembered it in detail because he made so many episodes. Yes. But you refreshed his memory though. His partner, Chelsea Field is her name. Chelsea was in Masters of the Universe with me. As what? She was Tila and she's awesome. And so when I worked with Scott on Enterprise, we talked a lot about Chelsea and the memories I

had with her and working with her on Masters and things like that. Very cool. Yeah. I love it. I love it. All right. Well, let's talk about our show now. Yes, let's do.

So this week's episode is The Disease. This is the other big Harry Kim-centric episode for season five, timeless being the other, the main one. and then this was the kind of the secondary primary episode for my character for this season. So I'm going to ask, yes, I'm going to ask you to guess who do you think the director was on this episode? I'm going to give you three guesses. And let's see if you get it

because I already know because I worked on the episodes. I remember. But let's just see you could pull down. I'm going to say this is David Livingstone. You're right. Was that right? Yes. You took the odds on favorite first.

I was winning. For the more obscure, I should have said, give me the more obscure choice first. And then I would have said, what's the? Yeah, it was a livingstone. So, yeah, you're right about that. All right. So let's go watch this episode. Let's do.

I'm excited now. Wait, wait, wait. Okay. Who wrote the teleplay? Who wrote it? Disease. I'm going to say Ken Biller wrote this one. Okay.

You're close. Really? Yeah, you're kind of close. Oh, I'm done. You're batting. I am on fire. Well, you're doing very well. I'm very surprised.

I'm very surprised. Okay. All right. So let's go watch this episode, The Disease. And we will be right back with our recap and discussion of the disease. Mm-hmm. Hey, everybody. We are back.

Yes, we are. All right. So first of all, you were correct. You're correct on David Livingston being the director. And you were halfway correct on, on Biller. It's story by Kim Biller, teleplay, because I asked you who did the teleplay. That's Michael Taylor who did that one. Yep. But, you know, you're pretty darn close. So I'm pretty excited. Who would have thought? Who would have thunk? Impressed myself. Yes. Also, I did not ask you, what are you wearing hat-wise? What does it say on there? Oh, this is from a distillery in Vancouver. I couldn't read it on the thing, but yeah, it's Roots and Wings Distillery. So it's a farm distillery out in near Abbotsford outside of Vancouver, out in the country.

And it's a great little distillery. They have a great restaurant. If you go out there, they make gins and vodkas and liquors. and they have this organic menu and this organic farm. It's a great tasting kind of place. I love it. It was just super charming. I love it.

Let me show off my show and tell. Here's my shirt. As you can see, this is a tribute to the original series phaser there. And number one stun-up. This is one of the very, very early t-shirts that I had basically had in my line of shirts from a long long time ago. Yeah. So I just found this.

in the closet, I'm like, hey, I should put this on. I have the last decades, it seems. All right, let's jump right into our recap, starting with our poetry synopsis. Yes, always starting with a poetry. Yes, of course. And here we go with my haiku of the disease. Yes. Harry has a glow.

Disobey's Janeway's orders. Lives with pain of loss. Oh. Ah, yeah. Yeah, the haiku does capture it. Hmm. Okay, now for the limerick. Yes.

Here we go. Our limerick for the disease. Voyager runs into a xenophobic species. Harry chooses tall for his main squeezes. Freedom finally takes wing. Seven says, here's the thing. Turns out love isn't actually a disease. Wow, you've made up your own words for this one.

It did. Well, when I started with xenophobic species. And I was like, squeezes, diseases. Okay. So, you know, when Rebecca gets back from the post office, do you want her to come up with another one? I like this one. It's cute, it's cute, it's cute, but you went,

you took some artistic license, you brought in words that don't words that don't use. Sometimes you have to add a little, a little cutesy. Sometimes the limerick needs a little fun. All right. Okay. We will allow your new words that you've invented if I was to make up random words. You might say that I was, you would say that you're not, you've cheated on this basically. You would, you'd call me out on it. So I'm going to call on it. That's true. But the thing about the limerick is, it's kind of have a little fun to it. It does have fun. Or else it's not a real limerick, but the limerick itself and the structure of the limerick is already fun as it is. And then you don't have to give the extra juge to there. I mean, I'm, I'm very appreciative

of diseases and and squeezes and squeezes. Squeezies. And I'll tell you, any six-year-old listening to Delta Flyers. Yeah. Any young Delta Flyers listener or viewer is going to be absolutely going to love the extra. Static with the flare. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's got a little player. Okay. All right. All right. Teleplayed by Michael Taylor, story by Kim Biller, directed by David Livingston. Yes. Let's talk about our guest stars. Let's talk about Musetta Vander. Musette Vander. She played tall in the disease. Yes, Muzervander has been acting for a very long time. And I recall when she was cast, I was, I was pretty excited because she was in the feature film, the Wild Wild West, which once was a team.

Yeah. And then it became a feature film. Kenneth Brannock played the lead bad guy in that, and she was one of his sidekicks, you know, sort of like the two henchmen of the bad guy happened to be two women. So Muzetta was one of them. And I remember, yeah, I remember going, oh, I know who you are when she showed up on set. But, you know, her resume is a very long, long, long resume. She's still acting right now. as we speak. Oh, great. Christopher Liam Moore, who plays the Stowaway. And funny enough, when you look up like the script online, there's no name for his character except for Stowaway. It's all it says on there. I'm like, that's probably what it was in the script, too. Yeah, which is, yeah, that's interesting. What's interesting with Christopher Liam Moore is that he was already on Voyager as a guest star. What? Yes. He had a lot of alien makeup on. but he was well he was in the episode with the with the dinosaur aliens so really yes he was one of he was one of the one of those uh planet yes the species that was living on the planet well this yes

exactly the the species remember they distant origin was the name of the yeah name of the episode so he was one of the uh i'm going to call them dinosaur aliens but you know that he was one of those guys So that's Chris. He went to Harvard. And then Charles Rocket. Charles Rocket plays interesting name because when you look it up, it's spelled J-I-P-P-E-Q, JPEC, which I thought was, wait a minute, is it J-P-P-E-K, is that, you know, a J-P-P-E-E-K. Maybe, maybe that's what he was named after, J-Pag. I don't know, but J-Pack was his name.

Charles Rocket, I did not know this, but he was a cast member of Saturday Night Live in 1980. 80. I had no clue. And I was like, oh, my God. The time that he was on there, there was a segment he used to do where he would go out on the streets of New York City and sort of just talk to random people on the street. Right. That has still been known as one of the strongest segments of his time on the, on SNL. Like that was one of the best segments for the entire show. So still, very talented individual, very comedic. Before acting, Charles Rocket was a news anchor. Was he really? Yes. So he delivered the news on two or three different stations in different parts of the country. So this man's resume, he's done it all. Wow. Done it all. I feel like he was

friends with Bob Picardo. I don't know why. I feel like he wanted. I could believe that. I could believe that. He's originally from Bangor, Maine. And, you know, I think SNL was his very first credit. Really? Yes. Which is amazing to be. cast as that without any prior resume, you know? So I'm really accomplished individual. Okay, let's start. Let's get into it. Let's jump right into it. Let's do because I'm sure you've got a lot to say. I got a lot to say exterior shot of the, Mr. Loveman. Exterior shot of the Varo ship. Really cool shot because you see it just tracks along the side of this very long ship. It's a very cool. It feels like a big movie shot. Yeah. It was a bunch of that stuff in this episode. I thought the Viz effects

of that ship. Yeah, they did a great job. And that opening shot where it just kind of tracks along the side of the ship to show you the magnitude of this ship, how big this ship is. And then it starts kind of veering in and focusing on one segment and then a little bit closer. Then now you see some windows to some quarters and you go into the quarters actually. Really cool shot to the point where the doors opened to the quarters. And now it flies through the portal. It flies. Yeah, it goes a into the room and then the empty room for a minute and then pushes right up to this door right and the door flies open and it tilts down and you see the feet first right and it's feet of two people they kind of come up then the camera kind of raises a little higher and you see it's harry

and somebody an alien and they are just you know kissing and she pulls this communicator off that was a funny scene with with uh harry going like who hey hey hey i need that she's like wait that's my communicate or she's like no no no no put the work away put that away and then she pulls up his shirt and starts kissing his belly oh yeah or my solar plexus i don't know she's right there and my i got my third chakra is where she's kissing i felt like i was i was watching something i shouldn't be well robbie you got to see my nipple right there i did got to see my nipple and i i you know i was thinking robby's looking at my nipple right now everybody's everybody's seen your nipple everybody has seen my right.

Free the nipple. Free the nipple. So I had the nip slip and, uh, and I start glowing, which is different. Yes, you become translucent. It looks like, uh, yeah. Like, what do you think? Like a jellyfish or I don't know what you would compare that to. Yes.

Reptillion almost. Yeah. It was very, um, and so. Yes. Very much so. And it kind of reminded me a little bit of, of avatar and there's a lot. like, you know, things that happened there with glowing and you know what. And then was it awkward to shoot that scene?

Was it awkward to do the, like, do you remember? Yes, it was. It was. It was awkward. And the other glowing thing is from Twilight, the vampire series where the vampires glow. And I'm wondering if Stephanie Meyer, the author of Twilight, was watching the Voyager episode and went, oh, I think I could include that in my vampire series. It was awkward for me. I remember before that particular scene.

I was actually outside the set. I was on the soundstage, but I was outside the actual set. And I was doing push-ups. And it was Billy Pete that walked up and he was like, if you ain't got it now, you know, he was pretty much like, it ain't going to change in like a few push-ups, basically.

And I said, I said, listen, Billy, I'm just trying to get a bit of a pump. You know, that's all. I just want to get some blood going in through there. So, you know, that's it. I know I'm not going to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in a matter of three sets of push-ups, but I want to get this pump going.

And I was extremely nervous because, yeah, I mean, anytime you do a scene like that and you're that close to somebody and you just met them. Yeah, and this is the first scene in the episode, but not necessarily, probably not the first scene that you filmed with her. You probably had worked with her on other days

before you filmed the scene, would be my guess. Yeah, I recall, that the scene, there's a scene later where I'm in sort of a tank top and I'm told, this is the one I'm stressing out and all worried and everything a little bit later. I do feel like that was filmed first. Yes, I do. Interesting. Yeah, which was definitely very interesting. Again, extremely nervous. And at that time, I still had the super sweaty palms and everything. And so, you know, I even told, and a lot of times whenever I had scenes where I had to be very physical or had to touch another guest star's hand or anything else, I would always say like, just, you know, I suffer from excessive sweating and I'm sorry if you end up feeling my sweaty palms and have to deal with that. But I would, you know, preface it or begin by saying this just to make the other person comfortable. And of course, everyone's been very, very accommodating and like, oh, yeah, don't worry about it. It's fine. It's okay. I'm not going to. I'm not going to freak out.

I'm like, okay, good. Yeah, yeah. But I just remember I was supremely nervous before every single scene of intimacy with her. Yeah, it's awkward. You know, you're dealing with somebody that you don't really know and having to fake these sort of love scenes, these passionate scenes. And you had a lot of it. I mean, this story was really authentically.

It wasn't just a story with gratuitous sort of sexual scenes because it was fundamental. to the story that you feel their emotional connection, the physical connection, just that sort of romantic, ideal kind of connection that people, the deepest kind of feeling. I thought it was great. You know what's funny is that this scene or this episode was filmed 23 years ago,

but watching it now, I was laughing with nervous laughter. You know, when I was seeing a lot of these scenes. So I was still nervous. for myself, even though this is over two decades ago that this was filmed. All right. So we have an exterior shot of the, after we come back from the opening credits, we have an exterior shot of the Varo generational ship while we have Janeway's supplemental captain's log.

She's talking about after two weeks. We are close to repairing the Vara warp drive, but then she mentions that it seems like some of them would rather give up warp than accept help from outsiders. So now this is our very first indication. that this is a species that has really tried to stay away from any other species because clearly they've dealt with some not-so-savory characters in the past. And so they've had to basically kind of exclude themselves or excommunicate themselves from the rest of the quadrant

to just keep safe, evidently. We are now on the VARO, what is listed as the control room in the script. It looks like an engine room or something. Yeah, it looks like an engine room, something like that. Yeah, like their main control room. So can we call it control room from now on? Sure. You know,

as we go through. Okay. Yeah, she enters the control room and she starts to talk with JPEC. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah. Jepak. And he says the, he says, he's like, what are you doing in here? We told you, you know, I told you the central control room.

The control room is off limits. Yeah. So more xenophobic kind of like boundaries. She says she's going to check the anti-mobile. matter injectors. Yeah. They check them. They were back online. By the way, her hair do. It's like, I don't know. I've never seen her hair quite so. It almost looked like greasy. She had grease on her face. Like she can, her sleeves are rolled up. Yes. I was like, what is this look? Is she like working at a auto repair center or something? It was bizarre.

Oh, yes. It's clearly, clearly the Varo ship is, is a, a 57 Chevy or whatever that you got to work on. So like, where did the grease come from? She's got it all over herself. But, you know, he does let, he eases up a little bit way, because his whole complaint is, you've been here for two weeks and you've, there's, I've seen zero progress. Yeah. And that's when Janeway says, well, take a look at the anti-matter injectors, like you said.

And he looks at it and they're back online. And this gives him, this gives him a little bit of like pause. And he's like, wait a minute. These people aren't, they're trying not, they're not trying to dupe us. because I really felt like he felt that we were grifters, that we were trying to con him, even at this point, two weeks away. But then we find out in this conversation, because Janeway talks about we're kind of this, we're kind of the same.

We're like cousins. Yeah. And that you guys started out 400 years ago with one ship. And slowly but surely you've added on and now it's a generational ship. And we may also end up being a generational ship in terms of our timeline of getting back to Earth. And, you know, after this little story of camaraderie that Janeway throws out there to try to, you know, butter him up a little bit. Now we see Tom and Blanah enters. So you guys pop in there really quickly.

And we have grease. Yep. We've got the grease and the parts, the car parts. Grease monkeys as well. Yeah. And Voyager hails. Chikote calls in and says, okay, we're ready for the transfer, the antimatter transfer. So the next scene is we go into Tall's quarters.

and she wakes up. And by the way, she was wearing a sheet wrapped around her. So clearly they had rolled around in the sheets tonight. But you could see on the sheet that it was literally built to cover her. Like you could see the structure in the seams where they had sewn this. Like that was her costume, was a sheet. What? I don't know if you saw the seams in the sheet to cover her body?

You could see where it had been sewn around like her armpits and stuff. I did not catch that. She probably wore that as a costume so she could walk on to set, lay down. Wow. And then they drape the sheet around. So it looks like it's just wrapped around her. But it was literally a costume built for them. Now, my question is, do you think all VARO people have that crazy tattoo on their spine?

Yes. Or is that even a, is that, yes, is that a tattoo or is that a biological marking that is a biological marking that is a biological thing? Because when you were glowing, you had a similar kind of look. Oh, okay. And the glowing had the same pattern. All right. And Harry is staring out a window at this point when she wakes up. And she's like, come on back in.

Oh, and he's in a tank top and shorts. Yeah. How'd you feel about that? I think they asked me to be just in the shorts. And I said no, because I felt like, you know, I was, I just, I felt like I wasn't built up enough to really just take it. I don't think our cast was known for our. No, we're not the buff cast.

I felt like, all right, I'm going to get. have them put a tank top on me. I'm not going to be shirtless. I'm going to cover some skinniness. Yeah, it worked fine. The shorts and the tank top work. She goes, come on, Harry, let's cuddle. Yeah. And he's like, no, he's worried about work and everything. And she says, come back here. That's an order. Yeah. When she orders you. Orders me. All right. If he's such a workaholic, I'll just make it like work. Yeah, but he jumps back in bed. And all of a sudden, there's a shake. Yeah. And we realize the warp plasma transfer has started. started, which she's supposed to be at.

He's not there. Harry tries to put on his uniform. She's laughing. It's, yeah, it's her clothes. Cute moment, though, right there, for sure, when he realizes it's not. He throws it at her. She's laughing. And then I love this part.

And I'm putting on my uniform now. And I said, look, you don't understand. If I'm not at my post, she goes, you'll be executed. Like, I just love that line. And you'll be executed. So now we're at the Varo control room and the Lolo. and Tom are already there. They're doing their plasma transfer,

and they're talking about classical music. Because of Tom's button-pushing technique. Oh, that's what. Because I was doing the underhanded... She's like, oh, maybe you should try some Tchaikovsky next or something. Chopin. Yeah, Chopin next. Because I was doing a fancy, like, fast button-pushing.

Oh, that's what it was. Oh, got you. I was there. I remembered shooting the scene. actually because I remember like what can I do that that would be so different in terms of like it's button pushing how right you know I was like oh you know how piano players sometimes do like the playing piano and then they sort of cross over so that's what you did I was like oh I'll do that yeah I'll do something like that because it'll be different than I haven't seen anybody do the no one does

that instead of the overhand I'll do the underhand so I was like push push push underhand push, push, push, underhand. That was my invention, the old underhand move. I love it. I think I trademarked it for all of Star Trek. If anybody ever does an underhand move.

You better talk to Robbie. Pay up, pay up before litigation begins. That's right. So, yeah, so, you know, it's definitely not lost upon both Balana and Tom that Harry is late. Harry says, Harry comes up with some. His jacket's undone.

He's got. Yeah, but he's got. had a cocky made me excuse. He's like, oh, yes, I was checking the plasma conduits in Section 22. And yes, that's not the truth, clearly. And Bolana has been, Blana discovers that there are micro fractures all over the hall. It's kind of shaking. I got to say that when Tall and Janeway and Jepek are standing there in a three shot and shaking, shaking, shaking, I did not buy tall shakes. She needs to. needed to see the shake video.

She didn't see the shake video. No, it was like a dance move. She was down. I didn't buy her shakes. I'll just say that. Do it a shake, Star Trek shakes is, it's not easy. Yeah. Not everybody can do it.

I agree. I agree. And maybe they just didn't give her the tutorial beforehand. I don't think she got the tape, the video tape that was sent to all of us. No, she didn't get it. Okay. Anyway, there are microfractures. So we have to abort this transfer.

And Janeway's like, well, we're going to have to investigate. Where are these micro fractures? The guy goes, what are you talking? That's going to take days. She's like, well, we better get started. The sooner, the better. But the issue is these micro fractures have never been detected before. Even during this entire two-week investigation, now all of a sudden, they just pop up out of the blue.

So it's strange. It's a little weird. Yeah, a little weird. Suspicious. Or suss, as the youngens say today. Yes. So we go to a hallway scene, and here's a nice Tom and Harry scene. Yeah, we're exiting a transporter room, right?

So we leave the transporter room and go into the hallway. And Tom is very suspicious of what Harry's been doing. He's like, what's going on? I know. Tell me, tell me what's going on. And I love when Tom says, you know, haven't you learned anything for me in the last five years? Yeah.

And here we go again. Always going after the impossible woman. Always going after the impossible. By the way, I got to say, I, as I watched this, I remember looping this scene. Are you kidding? Wow. I totally remember because there was one line.

Yeah. And it was, it was a section from, I wrote it down. Oh, here we go again. Then Harry says what? And then Tom continues, you going after the impossible woman, a hologram, an ex-borg, the wrong twin. Yeah. And now a girl from a xenophobic species. and I had to do a couple of those lines in a row like the oh here we go again and I had to loop it and

we're supposed to be walking so there I am in the looping stage pretending to walk in place trying to get the timing of oh here we go again what is you it was I must have done this 50 times oh it's one of those that you got stuck on I got stuck on this and I remember I don't remember filming the scene, but I remember looping it because I was there for a long time with his section. I, and you're not alone in being stuck. I think every single Star Trek actor has been stuck on some piece of looping throughout their looping career. This one was the tough one. Okay. This one stands out for sure. Yeah, mine has always been the word, H-U-L-L-L-H-U-L-L-L-A. A lot times I'll say whole, it sounds like whole, H-O-L-E, and so I had issues with Hull. You had issues with

this one. My goodness. I didn't know. This one was just like the timing and the length of it. My timing was very weird. This is also news to me. So when you do voiceovers of a walk and talk, you actually walk in place too? I will sometimes. Yeah. Wow. I want to get like the, you know, the feeling of what that does in your body as you're talking. Because if I'm just standing there, it's not going to match. It's not going to sound like I'm walking. Well, you know, when it comes to physical exertion, if there's something where I'm pulling myself, fighting. I will kind of get into that too, but I've never, I'd never simulated, simulated the walk during a walk and talk. And so this is news to be. But sometimes they would

hear it. And they tell you to be quiet. They'd say like, yeah, can you walk? Yeah. Or do you need to walk? Can you walk softer? You're not a fully artist. Yeah. So I took my shoes off. So I'm just in my socks so I can move around. Okay. This is a standout looping scene for me. Okay. I didn't know that. And I didn't love my performance because of the loop because I knew the whole thing was looped. Oh, wow. I was like, God, my voice doesn't sound, it just doesn't sound like it didn't match. It didn't match. It doesn't, yeah, yeah, didn't work for me.

And then, you know, at the very end, you know, Harry's, like, convinced, okay, fine, I'm going to put her out of your mind. I'm going to end it. I'm going to end it, right? Done. I thought, oh, good. Yeah. But the minute you're gone. As soon as he goes in his quarters, right to the video.

call right to the video call i got to say more than anything yeah lots of cute dialogue and flirting but what bugged me throughout this entire episode was harry's hair what oh my god yeah because this was the sound like the network i'll tell you what happened i sound like carrie mcclige's office don't i what happened was the hair department decided to invest in these steam rollers these steam based rollers and they were rolled all my hair to give it volume, okay? Then they would style it. But because of the rolling, it looked kind of poofy like I had a perm. Like I had a body wave or some type of perm in there.

I didn't notice your hair looking very different at all. It was poofy and permy looking. Wavy looking. Yes, the entire episode. And it just, it pulled me out a lot. Oh, that's funny. I didn't notice it at all. It didn't look bad to you.

So that's good. I did not even know, not even a little, honestly. Like, I would tell you if I had even thought of it for a second, did not even notice. You never even, it didn't cross your mind for a millisecond, the entire episode. You never thought, like, wow, his hair looks kind of weird. No, I thought your hair looked good throughout. I did notice Janeway's hair when she was, you did. The auto mechanic scene, but I did not.

All right, all right, let's move on. All right, but there's an awkward conversation where they're kind of recounting the night before. And I've got to say, when a little, I feel like when Harry said something like, well, the birds and the bees would be very confused. I'm like, that sounds so kinky. I don't want to hear like what. I don't want to imagine like the details. It just felt a little too specific for me for comfort. It was a TMI?

It was a little TMI. Okay. That's, that is funny. I was like, what the hell happened that the bees? and the birds and the bees won't even understand it. I was so cringy over my hair. I didn't even notice the conversation. I was like, what is my hair doing?

Yeah, I was cringing a little on the dialogue. That's all right. That's all right. Now, we cut to the bridge and Tom is so impressed with the Varro systems, the ship systems. He's so impressed. He's really excited. Oh, he's so into it.

I've never seen, well, I haven't seen Tom excited, but not this excited over it. It was like, oh my God, you can recreate, you can recreate the Vulcan home world in your quarters, Tuvok? And Tuvok is like just non-pluced. He's like, whatever. I have, like, why would I do that?

He has no, he doesn't care at him. Yeah, Paris is trying to sell really hard to Tuvok. And Tuvok is just not buying it. Yeah. I love when he's like, oh, Paris literally like, oh, I give up. I quit or something. You've never, ah, you've never hot it in all of the episodes leading up to this point. And so, yeah, my note was like,

Look at Paris freaking out. Oh, I was like, this is new for me. I give up. And then Chucote goes so quickly or something. Yeah, yeah. But he says it, but he's talking to Tuvok. It's almost they have an aside conversation. Yeah, he's like, I've never seen Paris give up that quickly.

How did you do it or something? And Tuvok's like, I just let his own. His own illogic. Yeah, illogic. End the conversation. Yes. Frustrate him or something. It's so bizarre.

It was very funny. Tuvok detects the unauthorized transmission, and Chikote orders Tuvok to investigate further. Then we cut to Harry's quarters. So they're picking up this call that Harry's making, that he's not supposed to be making. Correct. More flirting.

But I have a question, why did you have all that big plate of fruit by your computer? Like, where did that come from? All of a sudden, I'm like, is he going to eat that? Like, it's weird fruit. Harry's going to start doing, like, fruit sex or something? Clearly, again, I was so distracted by my poofy hair. I didn't even notice the fruit.

By your perm. By my perm, but you caught the fruit, which is really. I was just like, oh, no, they're going to start using fruit. It's going to be super awkward. But they do talk about, like, where would you want to be? If you could be anywhere right now. So you start to get this idea. She's got an itch to travel.

Yes. Venture. You're starting to feel that. And then we cut back to the bridge. And we see Tom. saving you yet again. He does. So yeah, so the message has been sent to the Varo ship, the communication or the message, section 16 living quarters. So Tuvok's kind of, you know, he's, the minute he says, section 16 living quarters, Tom is like, like he immediately realizes. Rutro. And yeah,

you do. You are the ultimate friend. I save your butt. I end the transmission. And then I'm like, oh, it must have been a mistake. Probably not a, not a big deal. And I literally like, I make another big face. It's like, this is the big acting scenes on the bridge. Tom's facial mugging episode is what it is. Oh, my God. You've got to mug everywhere. Somebody's got to do the big acting.

Yes, but thank you. Thank you for saving my butt. I do appreciate that. We jumped to cargo bay and we're listening to Tricote talk about, you know, what we have to do to help out the Varo ship. Tom and Harry are standing in the back. And that is when Tom spills the beans about what he, did for Harry. And yeah, so this huge conversation happens. And my note was that I wish I would have

taken more time with these lines. Like I just, I spit them out so quickly. I feel like I would have tried to be a little bit less forthcoming about what has happened with Tall and I. I would have tried to hide it more maybe, you know, and to say, oh, that was just work. But I just give up the information. I give up the 4-1-1 immediately to you. It seemed to me like you were answered quickly because you just didn't want to talk about everybody's standing around. Okay. So it played okay to you. It played all right. All right. I remember filming the scene actually and it was one of those where the camera sort of pushed past everybody into our private conversation. We had to supposedly we were whispering, you know, that no one could hear us.

Right. But of course, the other actors are standing right there and can hear us. So it's just, I do remember filming this scene and feeling a little bit like it went from this wide shot with everybody, in the end, but they were still there. Like, what are we doing? Can't they hear us? In fact, I feel like Beltrane or somebody was like, we can hear you. I feel like I remember them.

Like, joking about that maybe at the end of a take. We can still hear you, Tom. Yeah. Just because you're fake whispering. Doesn't mean we're not two feet away. So fake whispering is whispering. That's whispering. Whispering.

All right. And then, you know, he gives out duty. assignments. Everyone will be paired into teams of two. And seven has been assigned Harry. She walks up with the duty assignment and it hands me the pad. And that's the end of our flispering scene. So we- I thought this is maybe the point where, you know, Seven and Harry have to team up. And then that's when it breaks into the musical number of his fantasy about seven. But it never happened. I was just hoping that there would be a musical number in this episode. They should have been.

There really should have been. Instead, we go to astrometrics. Harry and seven are working. And Harry says, what does she think of love? And she's like, well, what kind of love? Before she said, yeah, but he prefaces it. He goes, seven, you've been around humans for a while now. What do you think about love?

And I laughed at that because I'm like, no, she's still new to humanity. What are you asking her for advice for? The last person. She's the last person to ask me. But she does say over 6,000 assimilated species have all experienced love. Well, she said this condition. She calls it this condition. And then she calls it a disease for the first time.

She said it's kind of like a disease. I just want to say the original script when it was sent to my house for me to read, it was entitled Alien Love Story was the name of this. Really? Yes. And then later revisions, it said the disease and it said FCA, formerly known as Alien Love Story in parentheses. It's on the nose to what Seven's analogy is. And I did put disease in my limerick. So I'm glad it's called the disease. But you said diseasees. I'd rather this episode be called the diseases than the disease. for sure. Harry glows. He starts the glow. And that's when seven notices like, you are glowing.

And Harry's like, no, it's nothing. It's fine. Just a little, I don't know, it's just nothing, nothing. It's just the lighting. You must be confused. Yeah. Trying to cover it up again. You can't cover it. Nope. No. And it was so awkward filming this end of the scene because she says, you know, you must report to Sigbe. I'm like, no, I'm good. And Jerry physically. grabs me and yanks me out of that set of that set. And I just remember feeling so awkward filming this. It's just like, I'm being grabbed by the teacher. Like, you're going to the principal's office is how I felt. And that was one of the awkward moments there at the end of that scene. I remember that. Yes. And Harry's like, I feel fine. Doc, I feel fine. And the doctor's like, yeah, you should feel wonderful right now. Your beta endorphins are abnormally elevated. And, you know.

And every question he asked, I'm like, no. Nope. Did you eat any weird food? Nope. Did you do this on that show? Nope. None of that. And then he's like, all right, we're going to have to like have a lockdown. This could be alien virus. So an alien virus and quarantine. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. I will tell you maybe, but seven, can you leave? And she's like, well, I should be here in case there's an outbreak or something. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, please. It's personal. Okay. So she leaves. And then he tries to explain they were intimate. yeah yeah and doc's like what do you mean intimate how like he goes you know intimate like personally like we were connect he's like yeah you were personally how yeah finally harry's like sex we had sex okay we had sex it was very funny oh awkward uh yeah just super awkward and the doctor's like look

I'm sorry to tell you this but I must report this to the captain must report it and I must and you know give you a checkup and your friend your friend yeah that's awkward it is so awkward oh my goodness go to the ready room janeway's pissed yeah she's pissed but i'll tell you what we got some beautiful uh warm lighting on us that sort of which is rare oh very rare because usually facing the windows it's dark space yeah so the fact that we're facing the windows and it's that glow off of the ship is what it is yeah yeah but i noticed the same man we look really different we look good with that that golden hour sort of sunset lighting that we had we look fabulous yeah even though you were really getting uh lectured too i was getting lectured yep she's entering a

former reprimand into my record and and then she orders me to break off the relationship is like, no, you can't see her ever again, basically. You got to end it. Yeah, hard pill for Harry to swallow. Yep. And now we go out into the hall and Neelix is catching up with Tuvok. And Neelix says, you know, Tuvok, I saw an unauthorized use of a replicator. And Tuvok's like, oh, it's a replicator.

Like, that's not a felony or whatever. It's not a big deal. Right. And Deelix goes, but yeah, but it was unauthorized. and they access life support. Yeah, so they use the replicator station to reroute power to a section of the Jeffries tube. And also, Neelix also informs Tuvok

that some of the mess hall supplies of some of the rations were stolen or taken by somebody. And so Tuvok, that does peak his interest. And now the next shot is Tuvok and Neelix in the Jeffreys tube where they have discovered a bag of some sort of rations. Yeah, of rations and a scanner.

like parmesan cheese string cheese or or parmesan cheese yeah i would say parmesan it looked like a hard cheese or it looked like soap it could have it could have been soap yeah it didn't look yummy though i no it's all i'll say it looked very uh not um savory and nothing that you would want to eat no for anything it did not look satisfying not satisfying at all and and the bag was very primitive it was like a book bag it was a modern it looks like something you get at barns and noble It was. When you buy a certain amount of books, Barnes and Nobles gives you this cloth bag as an extra gift. And that's what it looked like.

Maybe he's a reader. Maybe he's a stowaway. He's got a lot of time if he stowed away. He brought some books. Yeah. Yeah. And Tuvok senses that, okay, so the life support has been beamed into this part of this, of this. Right behind this door.

And the other part behind this door, which he opens. And now we see our stow away for the first time. and he's very, very shocked that he's been caught. We jump to Tall's quarters. Tall is talking about what it would be like to see pulsars up close instead of always on long-range sensors. And she's not happy that they always have to stay away from other species because of this fear factor they have,

the xenophobia that they all experience, or at least some of them are experiencing. And so again, we get a little glimpse into what Tall is about. Yeah. Yeah, she really wants to explore and get out of here and not be trapped. Harry says things are going to have to change that there's bad news. This has to end. It shouldn't have happened.

The relationship. Yeah. The relationship. And then he glows again. Does he glow in here again? Because no, she asks him. She says to him, well, how did they find out? I said, well, I glowed again.

I was glowing again in astrometrics. What is this? asks, and she explains it's called Olaunvora. Olaanvora. Olaanvora, which means a shared heart. Yes. And she explains that this is a biological connection that is permanent, basically. Yeah, in the varro species.

Yes. It's intended to be a permanent bonding between two varro. And she said, it won't hurt you, but it will change you, she says. But she's also shocked that I even experienced it, too. She's like, wait a minute, this is weird. I didn't think that this would happen to you. And she said it can be reversed in time, slowly, if we're apart. And the sad goodbye, it's like, okay, bye.

And she's like, bye. And Harry's like, are you really going to let me leave? And she's like, well, if that's what you want, and Harry's like, that's not what I want. I want to be a bad boy. I would be like Tom Paris season one. That's what I want. That's right. Turn around and I go back for more nookie.

Yep. And big romantic. you know Hollywood kiss happens right yeah yeah did you notice she actually on the goodbye she started crying did you see that she's out of focus she's out of focus so credit to mozetta vander she starts she starts losing it and then she kind of regains consciousness because if that's what you want and then i turn around it's not what i want and then she turns from total crying to like oh let's get get it on so it's sort of you know a credit to her her acting skills She actually did a good job with that transition.

Very nice. Very good scene. Okay. We go to the conference room next. Chucote is interrogating this intruder. Yes. He's there with Tuvok. And they learned that this Varro Stowaway was able to get around Voyager systems through the docking port.

Yeah. And he entered through the docking port and he came aboard because he wants to get away from just like tall. He wants off this. But we don't know. that yet about tall we know tall wishes yes that she could travel but we don't know so he keeps explaining he says you know he wants to get off from this generational ship and he reveals that there's a movement that he's not the only one rumors of a movement rumors of a movement yes yes and then all of a a sudden he's like wait a minute you're you're trying to trick me yeah and then he realizes maybe he said

too much clams up a bit and he clams up a bit but it's a nice scene I think he did a great job. Yeah. Yeah, starts to reveal a little more about maybe what's really going on on this generational ship. We go to Janeway's quarters where I expected a romantic, since this is a love story, I thought finally Janeway and Chukotay, they're sharing a romantic meal. They're going to feel the love bug, but no, they don't. No satisfaction for Casey Shippers. They just- Janeway shows Chiquet the new protocols for working with DeVarro because of what happened. between Harry and tall. And then what I love.

They're drinking coffee and eating salad. I was like, what a disgusting meal. No wonder you guys aren't getting any nooky. That's a, that's not a romantic meal. Salad and coffee? That's not a good combination.

No, it doesn't put you in the moon for love. No. So I did write down. I really appreciated that Chkote went to bat for Harry. Yes, he does. You know, she basically said.

He's like, You can rethink this. Like, you're this formal reprimand. He's got a perfect, perfect record. And then he gives her the big question. Are you angry because Harry disobeyed orders or because he let you down? Which is, you know, that's the big question. And it's so true.

And then, of course, this conversation is interrupted by Torres, hailing the captain that she has found something very important. So off to the races, Janeway goes. Again, no satisfaction for J.C. Shippers. No, not at all. Thanks, Bologna, for calling Janeway out. Eventually, that salad and coffee would have kicked in, and they would have had a lot of romantic time.

Now, JPEC and Janeway are walking in the corridor. Jepek is like two feet taller than her. He's a tall dude. He really is. But I noticed that a lot of his lines were just, they're a little bit off. And now that I'm thinking of it, he was, he looped all of that. because he's very, very, um, terse in his, his dialogue when he's talking. And he's just,

and he's like, when two people choose each other, the bonding is permanent. They become biochemically linked. Separation is rare. It induces the illness, sometimes fatal. He looped. He just looped the whole thing. All looped. It's never going to be the same as, as what really happened on the day. And so even if the audience can't tell what it is. Yeah. There's just, there's some damage done to the scene because it's just not a real performance. But these are a couple in a row where I'm like, I just, I wish they would have given the real thing. Maybe there was just so much noise that it was not usable, but maybe. We do find out in this hallway scene, by the way, JPEC says this could be fatal.

Yes, or tall. I mentioned that. And that's, yeah, it could be fader. We do learn that there. We go to engineering and Torres has discovered microfractures on Voyager's hole as well. Well, in one of our docking ports, so not in our hole yet. So it's actually, you know, part of our port, docking port. And it's the same fractures that the Varro are experiencing on their vessel.

And Torres felt her, you know, her spidey senses came on, and she felt that this is not a coincidence. This is a little something weird. Seven is the one who confirms that they are synthetic silicone-based parasites that feed on deranium alloys. And they were on the Varro ship. they replicated some of them sort of migrated to the voyager docking port and this was not something it's not a natural occurrence no this is synthetic it's manmade somebody put it there did this on purpose yeah so uh we go to tall's quarters next she gets a call from harry harry hails her

hails her and basically beams her out he's like get ready for get ready for a fun ride yep and she's beamed out now when she's beamed out when she's beamed out the moment in her quarters when she's beamed out she kind of goes oh she gasps and throws her head back and i was like what's going on here did she decide to do that because i've never seen anyone get beamed out where they have like a revelation that they're being beamed out, do you mean? Is that what you're saying? Maybe, yes. A reaction or a reaction a big reaction like that. When Neelix did that. When Neelix first got beamed on, he was like, like this. He did this thing where he had his hands up. Do you remember that? The first time we beamed him aboard. Beamed him aboard, yes. He had, and he'd never been beamed before. So I'm assuming they don't have

beaming technology. So that's why I wrote that off as that. I didn't see it as okay. I don't know. It took me out for a second. I was like, oh, they should have just let her get beamed out like a regular beam. Okay. And then seeing her reaction on the B side. Like it'd be different if you see it after it happens to react to. Oh my God. I just got what just happened to me. Yeah. But to have it like be reacting when you're still in the the part one. Right. Seemed weird. That's all I'm going to say. I hear you. I hear you. And so the next scene in the shuttle is in the shuttle when she arrives in the shuttle. Then I could see her going. Okay. Whoa. What just happened. Okay, but I'll tell you, I'm going to stick up for Mizetta on this because that shuttlecraft

interior shot was the very first scene that we shot together. So I'm thinking she filmed the beam out way after, and she didn't, and so she wasn't able to match, you see what I'm saying? So if she filmed it afterwards, she didn't know day one, she's already got day one nerves. She's a guest star on a major show. This is her first scene to shoot of her, of her. work week, basically, is inside this shuttle. So then whatever she did later to be beamed out, she could not match because time-wise, it was already finished, right? So, and I remember how awkward

I, you know, how nervous I was to film this. This is the first scene that you filmed? Yes, with her. It was the very, very first scene was inside the shuttle. And I don't think it was David Livingston who directed her to sit on my lap, but who I think it was her initiative where she thought, It seems like it would have been. That would be my guess. And I remember being thinking, wow, good for you. Because I'm so damn nervous. I wouldn't have even thought about that blocking move.

But you came up with this. And it immediately gives you, gives the audience a sense of there's this intimacy between the two of her sitting in my lap, right? So it was a great choice because I do feel like for me, I was very disconnected because this is my first time working with her. And she's supposedly my girlfriend, right? there should be even more intimacy going on. But being the first scene that we filmed,

there was that awkwardness of working with someone for the first time. And especially in that scene, in that scene, I have the line, you're beautiful when you're scanning. And in preparation for that, I could not figure out how to deliver this without sounding cheesy. I was like, okay, this has got to sound like it's just, it's very contemporary for 24th century.

this is just really easy for me to kind of throw this out there and no matter what way I tried in my own personal rehearsal before I got to the set it didn't come out right of my mouth and it still didn't it came out almost creepy when I was watching it in this scene

it just again for me it was not connected and that was the one note I made for this scene is I did not have that one line down the way I wanted to have it well it's funny when they I mean I know when I am directing and producing now, I try to keep in mind those issues of like, wait a minute,

is this, where in this story is this for the actors? Is this the best place to schedule this scene? Sometimes you can't help it. But this would, I agree with you. I think this would have been one that could have been put in a little later in the schedule. It would have been helpful, probably. Well, here's a question for you. When you have two actors that have just met and they have to do a scene where there's intimate moments, how do you direct the actors to get them calm enough and relaxed enough and open enough

to be able to act present? The best thing in that situation is to remind them because they're just doing the first scene in a much bigger story. And you're asking a lot of them. So keep reminding them of the other scenes that have come before.

You know, here's where we saw you last. And here's how we got to that point. You guys have been through this and you've been through this. Yeah. You know, just reminding them of all that because they haven't shot it yet. Yeah. And really putting that, throwing those words out there does help because now it puts everything into context.

Now those actors are thinking, oh, yeah, that's right. We just had that happen, which we haven't shot yet. And we also had this other thing that we have not shot yet. But this all builds up to the climax of this scene. So I need to start off already at this level and not build up to it because it's already been built up to before this, right? So, yeah, that constant reminder. Yeah, the interesting thing about this story for you as an actor, too, is the very first

shot when the door opens and we see your feet and you're kissing her. We've skipped beyond all of the first meetings. You never had those scenes. No. And I- Those all happened off-camera. And I got to say, when I watched this episode just now, and that was the very first scene of us kissing, I was like, whoa, that's the first scene?

Like, I thought that it was built up to that. No, that was the very first scene. We dove right into the story. Anyway, she's on this shuttle. Thank you for not taking the Delta Flyer and getting it all, you know. Well, we also learned. Yeah, we also learned that her. With all your love making.

With all our glowing. You don't want our glowing. You don't want our glow juices. You don't want our glow juices in your Delta Flyer. Not in the flyer. All right. All right. Well, we discovered that Harry talks about how he feels like a Borg drone about how he goes through all these things. We learned that he was the perfect student at Starfleet Academy. He was the captain of the Velocity team.

What's velocity? Do you know what velocity is? It's a game, isn't it? Clearly it's a game, but I don't know what the game is. It's like lacrosse or something. Oh, okay. It's like a high lie and lacrosse. Yeah. Mixed together. Okay. Mixed together kind of thing. I think something like that. Yeah. Tuvok's the party pooper here. He's the one that he's actually in the... He took the Delta flyer.

I can't believe you allowed Tuvok to just take the Delta Flyer without permission. If you want to get a job done, you know, Tuvok knows the best thing to take is that Delta flyer. You'll get the job done. Yeah. So we discover that Tuvok's not happy that it's an unauthorized shuttle. Unauthorized shuttle launch and launch and Tall is wrong. wanted by the Varro authorities, which is a shock to sabotage. Well, they don't say that. He just says

wanted for varro authority, wanted by the viral authorities. We don't know what the, what it's for. There's the look, the last shot is of Harry kind of looking shocked at tall and tall looking back at him, kind of like, uh-oh, look, we jumped to the briefing room and it's Japan. She's in Tuvok, she's in trouble. She's in trouble. She's in trouble. But she does come out. She talks about this freedom movement. And she's very passionate about it. And, you know, Janeway and Jopak are basically saying, you know, this is going to destroy the vessel. And Tall is like, okay, well, I'm not trying to destroy the vessel. We are not trying to destroy the generational ship.

We're trying to dismantle it. We're trying to separate the segments. Each segment will become its own ship so that they can go wherever they want to go. They do bring up an issue of the rights of the minority, even though most people want to stay. Yes. There's enough people, hundreds, maybe thousands. Maybe thousands, yeah. That want to leave.

They want to. And even though it's a minority that they have rights to. And I thought that was an interesting point just philosophically to bring up here. Is that just because the majority wants to stay doesn't mean that that minority should be forced to stay a part of that. If they want to stay a part of it, then they need to follow all the rules of that group. But if they want to separate completely, that did make sense to me. Like, sure, if you want to take off, get out of here. Go do your own thing.

It was a nice moment that I thought brought up in the story, a surprising little philosophical moment. Janeway does bring up the fact that if these segments come apart, there could be decompressive explosions and casualties. So essentially, Tall at the end of this briefing room scene, agrees to slow down the parasites, to help evacuate the segments that are in danger. You know, with Harry sort of pushes tall towards that decision, and she's like, fine, I'll help slow them down, but that's all. And they exit because this has to be done now. So tall and this is what begins the most ambitious oneer I have ever seen on Star Trek. And by the way, I remember filming this. I'm not in the shot.

You don't see me. But I was there. I spent half a day spitting on the bridge where I was not seen. Because this shot starts in the briefing room as Tuvok rises and brings us over to a three shot. with Harry and Janeway, then Tuvac exits. That shot continues all the way through the briefing room, across the bridge, into Janeway's ready room, and all the way to the end of the scene. Yes.

It's a one. It's a oneer, and it's very ambitious, but it threw me off. I don't blame you. It threw me off as an actor, okay? Because it starts with when I, after Tall and JPEC leave, I'm like, Captain, and she, She said stowed ensign, which is a great line, right? And she confines me to sickbay, basically, and I chase her out. And just the blocking, the movement to go from one set to the bridge,

this is the second set, to the third set, which is her ready room, then to have to go through that entire monologue, I got so out of breath. I was starting to hyperventilate, okay? And when I was hyperventilating, it then caused me to sort of, I started to, I actually lost track of where I was in my own monologue. So I went up on my line in this one particular place right after I said, do you know what love is, Captain? And I kind of lost my lines and we had a cut and do it again. The whole thing. Yes. And we had a. Oh, yeah. I was on the bridge. Well, Robbie, I lost it a second time. And I think what happened was we did one more take

and I was so frazzled. They yelled cut and I just booked it to my trailer. And, And I, oh my God, I was crying. I was in my trailer bawling, just crying because I was so frustrated because I knew that scene and I wanted to nail it and I wanted to do well. And I was so of just upset that I started crying. And I think I started crying as I was on the set. I ran off crying and into my trailer. You know what's interesting though?

I didn't know this and I don't remember all of this. But when I watched the scene, you had a vulnerability in the scene that I thought, was really authentic. Okay. And I do think ultimately you got a lot of vulnerability and authenticity out of that scene that may not have happened

if you hadn't sort of broken down and kind of hit that bottom where you had to come back in that authentic way. I think, you know, maybe. It's not pleasant. You know,

it was a very unique scene to watch. Yeah. We didn't normally do things that way. I thought it ultimately was very successful. I thought the emotion. in the scene from both Kate and from you was really authentic and strong and in ways that sometimes we can be very presentational in Star Trek. I didn't feel like it was presentation. I felt like that was two actors hitting some really authentic stuff. If you buy it as an audience

member, then that's good. That's what it counts, right? That's the bottom line, really. I was moved by it. I was moved by the scene and I think that's a sign of a success. Okay, good. And in the intro, when we filmed the intro for this, and I said, I've got a lot to talk about this. It was this scene that I really was referencing. Okay, so after the big Harry Kim trying to ask Janeway, if she's ever been in love, which I started laughing at, we get called into the bridge because they're detecting structural breaches on the Varo ship, and everything is about to hit the fan, so to speak. Good enough that Janeway lets me go to the station and not to sickbay. She's like, take your station. So I'm my station now, yeah. We are still docked with the Varo ship. The docking controls are offline,

according to Paris. We can't even break free. He's unable to release the docking plants. No, no. We jumped to the Varo control room and the parasites have been slowed down a bit by the Polaron surge that Tall has initiated, but Tall yells out that they need a couple more minutes for the evacuation. And this is when back on the bridge, we realize the docking controls are are now back online, we can leave, but Harry quickly suggests that we can extend Voyager's structural integrity field around the Varo ship so that we can buy them more time. Janeway thinks for a split second and says, yes, let's do that, which is a dangerous move, because if an explosion happens, both of us, both ships are now in danger.

That's correct. We're back in the Varo control room, and now Tall is telling JPEC, well, looky, looky here, look at these strangers, these aliens. mean. They're not so mean, are they? They're risking their life to help save us. And then I love JPEC's answer. They are unusual. So that sounds like Tuvac, right? So he's like, okay. Now JPEC wants to use another Polar on search to destroy all the parasites. And Tall says, look, it's just too late. It's going to destroy. You destroy the parasites, but you'll also destroy Voyager because they're still, you know, they're still locked on to our ship right now. So she says, let them go. And then let

us go and gepec finally he relents he's like fine he steps back yeah let's her do the thing and then we cut out to space super cool cool decoupling with voyager kind of sideways and then kind of twisting and getting out the station yeah starts exploding decoupling into much smaller lots and lots of smaller ships we have a captain's log at this supplemental yeah supplemental log that most of the Varro decided to stay together, but that some of the dissidents decided to go it alone and take off. They're separate way. We jumped to Tall's quarters and this is the final goodbye. Tall asks Harry how he's doing.

He says love sick, Tall as well. Tall says that they have medications and then that can help her manage it. And she says she will recover eventually. Harry asked where they're going and she says the notory system, the notary system where a pair of binary stars are caught together in each other's gravity. So kind of poetic and kind of, yes, alluding to our own relationship. And then Harry says, well, you know, promise me something. She says what?

She says, next time you run across a class three nebula, think of me. So we have this very romantic ending moment. We jump to sick bay and we see the doctor going through all of Harry's symptoms, chronic sleep loss, acute gastroenteritis. That's diarrhea. Thank you. And we have, I didn't know you could get diarrhea from being heartbroken.

So not only can I not sleep, but my days and nights are filled with going to the bathroom. Love it. Yeah. The captain says, is his condition fatal? Right. Because the doctor wants to keep him there,

put him on all kinds of medications. Well, the doctor asked Janeway to order. She says, order him. order Harry to take his medicine. And then that's when Jane Lee says, well, is it fatal? And he's like, well, no, but. But maybe diarrhea is fatal.

I'm just going to say. Okay. So she lets him just sort of stay unmedicated, basically. Let him suffer if he wants. And then she asked the doctor for some privacy and sit stick next to Harry. Sits on the bed with him. Bed with Harry, very close. Yeah, this wonderful two shop between.

Janeway and Harry, and with the final lines being, Harry says, well, maybe I'm not the perfect officer anymore. Janeway says, maybe not. And the camera now veers off of Janeway into a on Harry, and you hear Janeway say, but you're a better man. And so that ends that scene, which is, I love that. Yeah, yeah. Mess Hall. Neelix says last call. Harry's still there. He says, good night to me. Love that little interaction between seven and Neelix. He's like, oh, is there anything else I can get you? Seven says, I'm here to see Ensign Kim. And Neelis's line, love it.

He's like, oh, good luck. It was so good. He had three words in that line, but it said everything. And again, Ethan Phillips, a master at his craft, great job with that. And then, you know, Seven comes in and starts, she thanks him, first of all. Thank you for helping me out. You completed several of my astrometric scans for me. me. And then she says that, you know, she assumed that romantic love was a human weakness,

but clearly it can be a source of strength and that her analogy of love being a disease was flawed. And her apology, her final apology is basically saying get well soon at the end. So another, yeah, very touching moment. She says that sort of awkwardly. Get well soon. Get well soon. But, hey, but for seven, this is a huge step for her. I mean, she's so, she's so dry and so like, you know, whatever and now she's like caring about somebody so it was kind of nice to see that scene out of seven really good all right what's your theme for this my theme here's what i wrote down the price of real love is real pain because harry's thought he he's had crushes before but i feel like as a character this episode was about real love he felt it he really was

experiencing something that was very real, and he felt the real pain that comes along with that. Okay. What about you? Yeah, mine, I kind of, I felt like you would probably be going in that direction. So I went in a little bit of a different direction. And my thing was just about how xenophobia is never a good thing. Like, you can be wary of other people or other races or other individuals, or other individuals. individuals, it's always good to be aware of your surroundings and of your situation.

But to sort of excommunicate people or species or races because they are different from you is a big mistake. It's a huge, huge mistake. You must look for collaboration. You must look for common ground when you meet people that are not like you. That's the goal is to collaborate and to be, to be friendly with anybody you know and and that is clearly not what the varro we're about and i think that that is the lesson is be i think they learned that lesson i think they did at the very end yeah yeah yeah learned it but yeah beware of being of falling down that xenophobic um rabbit okay that's fine all right okay my rating for the disease yes i'm going to give this an 8.2 Oh, wow.

8.2, miss her. My goodness. It did use a lot of the actors. It did use a lot of the actors. I mean, it didn't have a lot of Bologna. She had a couple of lines. Yeah. Not a lot of Nilex.

Not a ton of Tuvac, but I think that it had a very relatable story. This love story to me was very, very relatable. I thought it had really good highs and lows. It involved a lot of the cast. I give it, yeah. 8.2. 8.2.

What about you? I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, it a because of my hair i'm giving it a 7.9 so i'm going to go yeah i got a drop lower i'm sorry i know i know it's just i like this episode better than a 7 anything it's got to be an 8 at least i'll be honest i would have given it a higher rating if i hadn't seen it again once i saw it again i actually give it a lower rating yeah it's really weird i'm just i'm weird like that all right so what's the consensus amongst our admiral. So our captains and admirals, our average rating for the disease is 7.1. Wow. Wow. They went really low. They went low, much lower than I think this has to have

in front of it. I like this episode a lot. I think they were distracted by my curly hair. Maybe they were too. Maybe they were. 7.1. Oh my goodness. All right. You got an 8.2 for me. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm just going to let you know what next week is while we're at it. What is it? Next week is the episode, Course Oblivion. Yes. And this is an episode that I referred to before,

but I thought it was a different episode. And now this is finally the episode. It's coming up now. Okay. Yeah. So this episode ties in with an episode that Tom and Harry are pretty prominent in in a prior episode, basically. Okay. Just, just know that. So there's a time.

All right. Very, very distinct time. Hors oblivion. Okay. Thanks, everyone. We will see you next week. Thanks, everybody. So, you know, BOR, BOR,

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