The Delta Flyers - The Maquis Part II

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode, The Maquis, Part II, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, & Terry Farrell.The Maquis, Part II: Sisko struggles to stop the Maquis terrorist attacks while keeping Cal Hudson's involvement with the rebels a secret.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Stephanie Lee, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, & Jonathan CappsOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Neil McRae, Danie Crofoot, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Steph Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, & Hailey Lugo, & Chris GarisAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Robert Allen Stifflerf, Jennifer Vaughn, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Zackery Voss, Loretta Reyes, Timothy McMichens, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Carol Ramsey, Willow Whitcomb, Jadzia Mehari, Mo, Leslie Ford, & Douglas Lawrence-PlantThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Cork, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Yes, your host today are Terry Farrell, our brilliant science officer. Garrett Wong, our Forever Ensign, and myself your favorite helmsman, Robert Duncan McNeil That's how my parents said it when I was in trouble Oh, it went up like that, huh?

Yeah I didn't get a last name I got Teresa Lee For the complete and exciting version of this podcast Please check out Patreon.com Forward slash the Delta Flyers And sign up to become a patron today Yeah I want to tell you guys a funny story

That happened to me this morning So Rebecca, go goes to the grocery store. She gets some groceries. There's some bananas. And I go to make some oatmeal. And I look at the bananas. I'm like, oh, I wish I could put those bananas on my oatmeal, but they're green. They're too green. And Rebecca's like, you can still eat it. It may not be a sweet, but you can eat it. I'm like, no, you can't. My mom told me, you'll get a stomachache. You'll get really sick if you eat a green banana. And I've never eaten, like, I wait until there's no green on them because I think I'm going to get a stomach cake. And Rebecca's like,

What are you talking about? My whole life, I've thought I can't eat a banana until the green's gone. Are you serious? I'm totally serious. Today. So 59 years. Sorry, I just want to say it's 59 years that you've been thinking this. Yes.

Yes. Wow. You're speechless, I see. I am a little bit, yeah. Just a little bit. Here's the interesting thing, though. They are a little more bitter. Because as they ripen, then the fructose is created.

So actually, it's better not to eat them when they're too ripe because you're just loading your system with sugar. Wow. So it's even worse, my theories. Oh, my God. It's great when you're making banana bread. Yeah. You might like don't have to add as much sugar because also the flavor and the sugar and the banana. But if you're being conscious of eating healthy, you don't want.

want them to be too ripe. All right. I'm going, I'm going some green from now on. Green is maybe too much, but I mean, not because of your stomach, just because taste-wise, I think you'd take a bite of it. And if it's too green, it might just be too bitter. I wonder if my mother really believe that, or if she just told me because she wanted me to, like, delay the banana eating for some reason.

But we're, I think of bananas as being expensive when we were kids. They're cheap now, but weren't they expensive? I don't know. Grapes are always expensive. Yeah, pineapple seemed very exotic to me when I was a kid. Yeah, me too. But somehow canned pineapple was too accessible for every dessert in the Midwest. Yes.

Every jello dish has some pineapple on the top. Pineapple and marshmallows. Jello, pineapple, and marshmallows, and then whatever else you wanted to enjoy with it. I'm still shocked, Robbie. Did you have anything that, like, your parents told you when you were a kid, like, don't do this. Nothing that I went through five decades of my life not knowing, like you, almost six decades. I think the only thing my parents said to me that was real that I didn't, that wasn't real, was

Santa Claus. I mean, that's it. And then I figured that out on my own when the local Santa visited our school. Wait a minute. What are you saying? There's no Santa Claus. Yes, there is. Don't listen to him, Robbie.

Thank you, Terry. There is always Santa at my house. Okay, well, when I saw the actual hair color of the real Santa's hair underneath the white, that's when I knew. Oh, that blue for you. My mom told us. She told you? Did you cry? Someone told it, yes, because we were little.

And some other neighbor kids said that, you know, I guess it wasn't because of Santa Claus, but they said that the Easter money wasn't real. That's what I think it was. It was that or the tooth fairy. And then she said, well, you might as well know Santa Claus isn't real either. Ow. That's too much. Yeah. That's TMI for a child.

It really is. I think so. Oh, my God. Yeah. Way too much. Especially when you're a poor kid, your whole world's wrapped around thinking Santa Claus is. Everything.

Yeah. Everything. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Can I show off my new cool shirt? Look at this. Oh, yeah. Oh, very cool.

Look at that. It looks like a scrabble game. Yeah, it does. Oh, I love it. You see Dax is right there. Thank you, Rebecca, for putting me at first. I think I just got lucky because of the D, but yay. That's the front and the back.

When I first time I was like, oh, it's my shirt. Oh, no, it's. Yes, we're wearing the Dax only shirt is what we're wearing. Yeah, this is our new shirt. One of our new shirt designs in our shop. Yeah, I like it. The back's even. cooler but i'm going to not turn around because my lower back is not so good right now so

well everybody can you have to see your ass i threw my back i threw my back i threw my back you it's like a twisting yeah the twisting is not good that's oh no you need a chair but just are you doing uh no i'm not doing is it ice or do you think heat what would you do no ice i have i've had a bulging disc that's been aggravated several times in my life twice in my life i haven't been able to walk. Okay. It's hurt so bad. So you know. You can alternate if it's right after what you did, but ice takes the swelling down. All right. And the heat puts more blood there, so it feels better, but it fools you because the truth is you don't want all of that inflammation happening. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. That makes us. So when you ice it, is it 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off? Is there a

specific schedule you do or 15 on 15 off or I don't know? I can't remember now. You probably have to look it up on the internet of the on and off. If you just did it, though, heat and ice back and forth is good. No, this is last Tuesday I did it. Oh, well, as little sitting as possible. Really? Wow. Okay.

Yeah, because sitting compresses your spine. Okay. Yeah, do the podcast standing, Garrett. Well, you're kind of S.O.L, but we'll try to go quickly. And also, when you lay down, put your legs up. So maybe a, I used to use a, um, A sofa cushion or a couch cushion and put my legs up on the bed because that way, you know, when you roll over and stuff, you'll feel to put your feet back up.

Well, I think I should do the podcast in a hammock then because then my feet can be kind of up in the, I'm not okay with that. But my feet would be higher in the hammock. Dr. Farrell says no. Dr. Robbie says after the ice, do 10 minutes of bananas on your back. Bananas on your back. Green bananas. Green bananas on the back.

And the Brandy Manhattan, you'll be right as right. Wow. I still, Robbie, I can't believe that. It literally 59 years for you to realize that green bananas are not going to kill you. We're not going to give you stomach cake. Oh, my gosh. Why did my mother do that to me? Honestly, her mother probably told her the same thing.

Exactly. She probably believed it her whole life. Yeah. She believes so. And you know what? Maybe it gave your grandma's stomach cake. That's why your mom thought it was, you know. Or maybe it gave your mom.

stomach cake. Yeah, maybe. You come from a long line of people who are not able to have banana. Yes. Afraid of green bananas. Oh my goodness. Maybe that was a Halloween costume. Green banana. It's very scary. Yes. I remember giving my mom. Well, you guys, they couldn't believe we didn't like asparagus. Well, I'm growing up in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. I don't ever remember having fresh. It was in a can. First time I had steamed asparagus, I was like, oh my God. Gosh, I love asparagus. And my mom was like, you like it? Oh, you never liked it?

I'm like, Mom, it was from a can. Yeah. Yeah, the canned asparagus was nasty. If you made asparagus soup out of the can, that would taste fine. That would be okay. Yeah. Yeah. But not next to a steak and a potato.

No. Oh, my goodness. Should we say happy birthday? Yeah, let's say happy birthday. We should. Okay. All right. Well, let's all wish.

Alexander Ray on October the 3rd, a happy, happy birthday. Happy birthday, Alexander. Happy birthday, Alexander. Let's jump right into it. Poetry synopsis, starting with Robbie. Yes, sir. I'll lead the way. Okay, my limerick for the Machi Part 2.

Our leader. Here we go. Cisco rescues Golducat to be really nice. Hudson thinks peace is a fool's paradise. Quark's weapon deal is big, but it lands him in the brig. They missed buying peace at a bargain basement price. Oh, you got a lot in that. Nice.

Did we get it? Yeah. Thank you. I don't even look at your stuff in the notes beforehand because I want to be surprised the first time. See what happens? See where it goes? Yeah. See where it goes and how it lands on me and everything.

And that's a good one. I like it. Okay, thank you. All right, here we go. Here's my haiku. Here's my haiku for Maki part two. Cisco saves Dukot. The Maki aren't backing down.

War on hold for now. I had a little Cisco in there. Unhold for now. War on hold. Yeah, that reminded me of the red dress. She wore red. Oh, yeah. Red.

She wore red. Yeah, we love that episode. That's a good one. All righty. Good, Garrett. Are you ready for mine? Yes, we are ready for yours. Yes.

Go. Freedom to be, to live. We protect ourselves and give. Our lives for our rights see the strength of our might. Wow. Okay, is that because you understand? I like that. No, there's a lot in there.

And it's very simply, it's simply stated, and it's a lot to digest. That was really good. Thank you. It was almost haikuish. It kind of was. Because also the same. second sentence goes into the third. Yeah.

Which I actually didn't even realize until I wrote it down. I went, oh, yes, you did give our lives. Taking the rhyme in the middle of a sentence and continuing the sentence is like advanced level. Is it? I think it's a little more advanced. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it is. Oh, yay. I advanced my accident as to on purpose. Very good. Very good. Hey. Tell us to the guest stars. Yeah, well, since it's part two, we are.

already talked about all of them, except for a few new ones. We have John Shuck as legate parn. Every time I heard that, I kept thinking chicken parm, like chicken parmesan. Every time I heard legate parn, I couldn't get that out of my head. But he was married to a D-Space nine guest actress by the name of Susan Bay. Yeah. So that was one of his wives. And he was also directed on stage by film director Robert Altman, who cast him in MASH. Yes. He was in the movie mash. That was his very first. That was his film debut. And Renée, Auburgen-Wa was also in that movie. This is like a reunion for the two of them. Yes. Well, here's another random. My friend Sally Callerman.

Sally Callerman as well. Can we talk about him for a second? Please. John Shuck? Yeah. Sure. Because I got in a family dinner, I got to have dinner with him. Oh. Yeah. And he was really nice. Such a nice man. Yeah. and his wife too i think you're about to mention his wife well yes yes susan bay was the first wife yeah then west coast painter harrison hula hula harrison yes i always think harrison port i'm like no that can't be right no yes but um they all go along really well um leonard susan and harris and um john john i almost said aaron that's his son's name yeah really nice people really really nice people here's a really weird random fact. John Shuck was the very first person to say the F word in a mainstream feature

film. Well, I don't want to like this. Spoiler alert, but there's something else pretty, he had quite an extraordinary role in MASH, the movie. Yes. Yes, he did. A pivotal role. I don't want to ruin it, but yeah, it was major. Well, he's definitely someone who Star Trek has blessed multiple times over and over again. He's been a Klingon ambassador in Star Trek 4, the Voyage home, and also Star Trek 6, The Undiscovered Country. He was on the sixth season episode, Muse for Star Trek Voyager. He was in the chorus. He also appeared in the fourth season episode of Star Trek Enterprise, Affliction and Divergence

as Dr. Untok. So he's been in more than one Star Trek, feature film and TV show, which is very nice for him. Any other words, Robbie, with John? Yes, I have a word. The thing I think about John Shock most, the role, is that. Daddy Warbucks in Annie. In Annie.

Oh my gosh. Totally. In Cardassian makeup. Yes, exactly. It's so weird because the camera was like, I know him, but something doesn't seem right. He did Daddy Warbucks forever. He was, I saw him, I saw Annie a couple of times, yeah.

And he did it? Yeah, he played Daddy Warbucks. Oh, I thought you were just being. No, he's being serious, but I would like to see the Cardassian version of Annie myself because of all this talk of that, yes. Also, we have Natalia Nogulich, who played Admiral Achayev, and Natchayev has appeared in four TNG episodes,

Chain of Command, Part 1, Descent, Journey Zen, Preemptive Strike. And she'd originally auditioned for two of the roles in TNG. Producers were impressed with her work, but didn't feel the other two roles were a good fit for her and later gave her the role of Alina Nachiav. Admiral, Nalina, I want to say Nalina, Alina, Alina, Alina, the Chayev. Yeah. And then, of course, we have one other person who was not in last week's listing of guest stars.

That's Michael Bell. He plays the alien ship captain who is, yes, you remember him. He almost is good. I like that makeup. Yeah, it was interesting. Didn't look like he had dreadlocks or something going on or cornrows, you know. Couldn't tell. It was so far away.

They never got clothes. Yeah. He was always on the view screen, wasn't he? I don't think we ever cut it. Yeah, he was only only on the view screen, exactly. He was also on Star Trek TNG in the pilot episode, Encounter at Farpoint. Wow. And Space Nine episode, The Homecoming as a Bajoran is what he played in that one.

And then now in the marquee, he plays this Zeppelite, right? I think so. Yeah, something like that. So, yeah, that's Mr. Bell. There we go. Nice. And the other. difference is that instead of David Livingston directing, it is Corey Allen. And this is Corey's final

episode of Trek. He doesn't direct another one after this. I wonder why. He was older. Yeah. He had, uh, he had, uh, Parkinson's. Yes. He had, you know, where the, where the movement start to happen where you can't stop it. Yeah. The other difference is that in the first one, we had, I think James Crocker doing the teleplay and also credit. as in the story. And this one has not James Crocker, but Ira Stephen Bear, as credited for the teleplay and also as a story credit as well, along with Berman Pillar and, I guess, who was the other one? Jerry Taylor, exactly.

Okay, so this episode starts right where we left off in the last episode. In fact, there was a previously on kind of clips at the beginning of the episode. I like that. Little recap. Yeah, a little recap. I love a good recap. Yeah, it was great. What you needed in the days of you see an episode once a week.

Not now that you stream. You don't really need that so much. Yeah, yeah, true. Well, binge watching, yes. But streaming, Apple even, there's a lot of, not Netflix, but Apple will show it once a week, so you still want to see it. Yeah. Yes.

Or even if I'm binge watching and I fall asleep halfway through an episode and thinks that I saw the whole thing. Then I realized I'm watching the recap. Oh, I never finished watching that episode. I'm sorry. Well, we pick right back up in the jungle. Cisco Kiran Bashir being held at gunpoint. And Cal Hudson shows up.

And, well, he was there at the end of the last episode. Yeah, but how shocking was that? Yeah. Yeah. Very shocking. That really ticked me off. Yeah. And he was out of uniform.

He doesn't wears uniform this whole episode, which is kind of a big deal. Cisco keeps bringing it up. But he explains the position of these columns. that the settlers built great lives on the colonies without any support or any help from Starfleet and Cardassian Central Command was smuggling weapons with the Boknor and Hudson said that's why they had to defend themselves. They had to blow it up. I think Hal Hudson even says in this scene, he asked Cisco, you know, help us, work with us. You know, we can use the space station. We can use DS9 to repair the Maki ships and Cisco refuses. And then at the

the end of the scene, they basically stun them all. They stuns Cisco and Kira and Bajir fall down. And he's like, let's get out of here before he wakes up. I don't be here when he wakes up. You know, what's interesting is that you don't see him wearing the uniform. He has abandoned the uniform, but he's abandoned the uniform because he sees that Starfleet has abandoned the colonists. So it is sort of, you know what I'm saying? It's very symbolic. He's like, you know what? You abandoning the people? I'm abandoning this uniform. I'm not even going to put it on anymore. I'm done, which is huge because he is a Starfleet officer that has completely flipped. He's like, no, I'm not going to do it. But it's like, I mean, I feel for

Cisco rulekeeper can't commit treason. And I feel for Cam, because these are people near and dear to his heart. He's watched the rise and fall of all of this. And what good is a treaty if you don't have someone reinforcing the treaty? It's like having laws that aren't. enforced. What's the point? So I was thinking about how frustrating it was to have that, was she an admiral that came to visit? Yeah, yeah. And it's Cal, by the way, not Cam, just to throw that. Oh, sorry, thank you. Cal Hudson. Yeah. Cal Hudson. That she just also was completely, it went over her head what's actually happening. It made me want to smack her and say, pay attention. Same. Did you notice

did you notice in the scene? So it opens up with them all held at gunpoint. And then at one point, Hudson, Cal Hudson says, he doesn't even say walk with me. They just start walking. They start walking. Yeah, they start leaving. Yeah. They walk through some bushes. In fact, I think Avery, like as he's exiting the shot, he ducks down and it racks focus over to Kira and Bashir being held there. But they walk and talk for a while. And then they end up right back where they left. And I was like, did they just walk in a circle. What were they doing? Interesting. Because they get shot. They did probably. They literally just walked in a circle. I thought maybe the set was really small and they were trying to to make the set seem a little bigger, this jungle set. It was unmotivated. I thought he was when

they started walking, I thought, because they were talking about these great colonies and how they built this great life. And I was like, oh, they're going to walk over to the great life. He's going to go, look, look at this great colony. But he didn't. He just walked through the, jungle in a circle and came right back. It was a little strange to me. But I thought they were in one place the entire time. They did a walk-and-talk in the very beginning. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. There were all, yeah. There was a crane shot and there was long lens. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, okay, so now we're in the corridor and Cisco is telling Dax that he wants to speak to Central Command, wants to talk to those darn Kardashians. And then Dax says that Leggett Parn is on

way and that Starfleet Admiral Nachev, Natchayev, how does she say it? Nachev, the Admiral's already here. So these guys are, people are reacting to this. You're in luck. Yeah. Dax says you're in luck. Legaparms arriving within the hour. We go into ops.

Cisco wants O'Brien to find out where they transferred Ducat to. He asked him to, you know, look at the warp trail, try to find out where Duccott might be, being held and then we go inside the commander's office now this is the scene i was talking about yeah i it really was maddening to me how dispassionate she was i agree with you it looked like she didn't really care it wasn't the end of the world yep just get things done and get them to shut up yep i i totally agree with you in fact i thought when she showed up that she was going to it was going to be a big deal having an admiral in the ship this is her only scene she flew all the way to the space to say that that's all that and without escorts or anything

it just seemed really weird i thought and i thought her well this is an admiral isn't this one of those this is from i think star trek one of the star trek films they made this sweater oh really selling them at um yeah that's a star trek story i know i couldn't help but i was so excited It's what they wore. It's an admiral sweater. It's from the original crass though, right? Those guys. Yes, it is.

And what was so great, by the time I had a break and went over there, they only had a 4X. But then the woman said, well, I do have one. I was saving it for somebody who asked me to put it aside. But they haven't come to pick it up. And you're Dax. So come on. It was another Terry. Oh, really?

I'm like Terry Matalas. Yes. Yes, it was written down. You stole Terry Metallis's sweater? I most certainly did not. They gave it to me because I showed up. Exactly. I showed up, and it was the 4X or this medium, so.

That looks great on you. And by the way, Terry Metallis, I think, has a DeLorean, like back to the future delirion. So he doesn't need that sweater. Yeah, but he's probably not getting. He doesn't need any money. He's probably wondering, to this day, who took my sweat? sweater. It was two weeks ago. God, while you were there. It was in Vegas. So two weeks ago, he was wondering, who took my sweater? And these are like one-off. So it was, but what I'm kind of

curious, but why didn't he just take it right then and there? I know. I saw it on somebody. I'm like, that's so cool because I thought, well, that's Star Trek. And I would actually wear this by the fire. Yeah, it doesn't. Or to get groceries. Yeah. No, it looks great. Looks super comfy. I just actually. Thank you, Terry Matalas, we're not picking it up. I just. I just I just texted Terry Metallus yesterday. You did? Yeah, I was just talking to him. That's so funny.

I was like, I got to take a picture of me in this and text it to him and go, thank you. Thanks for the sweater. I have met Natalia Nogulich at multiple conventions. Really? I love Natalia Nogulich, the human being. But the character she plays on here, like you two, I was annoyed. I was very annoyed. Yeah.

Well, that's not her fault. No, it's not her fault. But I'm just saying. That's not her fault. Yeah. But there should have, I think there should have been at least an escort there with her. It seemed weird that she was at important. Yeah. It seemed like she lived next door.

Right? It seemed like she just pumped in to say hi. Like, hey, blah, blah, blah. And then left. Not that she flew a ship there. It takes days to get there. It's a long time. Yeah.

So, yeah, it's odd. Yeah. Very odd. Well, she's in there. She's worried about Odo. Doesn't think he's a good security guy. Cisco's got to defend Odo. Then she tells Cisco, just talk to the marquee.

He's like, duh, I've already done that. And then she asks about Hudson and, you know, have you talked to Hudson? And Cisco covers for him and that. Yeah, he does. Which is interesting. I don't understand why there wasn't more of a conversation. I guess there wouldn't be a story about reinforcing the treaty. We have to give these people what we promise them.

and protect them. That really seems like that would be an inexpensive piece. Yeah. Well, she does have that one quick line, that sentence. She says that it is imperative that we preserve the treaty with the Kardashians.

She does say that. That's it. Yeah, but then he didn't come back at her with, you know what's actually going on down there? How come she doesn't know what's going on down there? And we're supposed to believe that Cal never had a conversation with her? Yeah. I'm sorry.

She would have talked to Cal, right? It was so maddening to me. Yeah. She would have. Yeah, I feel like you could have done without the scene, honestly. It was weird. Honestly, you don't need this. It didn't help.

It was just maddening. Yeah. And actually more believable if we didn't have the scene, because the first thing it brought up to me is why aren't we having a piece? Why isn't Starfleet involved in this? Yes. Yeah. Then get involved and fix it because it needs fixing.

Or if she had just been on a view screen and if Cisco had said, it's okay, I got it. I got it. I got it. I'm going to talk to California. I'm going to, you know. Oh, that would have been way better. I hadn't thought of this, but in a way, because Cisco is covering for Cal, Starfleet doesn't really know the whole story. Right.

Like he's withholding some. He kind of did. He thought he could save the day himself. Maybe if he had. And he's aiding and abetting. Yeah. I never thought of that before. Oh, Cisco.

Yeah. Oh, well. Well, he covers. He says he's going to check on. Cal, Sisko says the Cardassians may not be honoring the treaty. And the Admiral gets a little defensive here. She's like, are you questioning Starfleet's authority? He does say he knows the situation's deteriorating and then she leaves.

Kira comes in and Cisco gets really hot. He like vents to Kira. Everything he didn't say to hers, right? Yes, exactly. Everything he didn't deal with with the Admiral. He just throws right at Kira. Yeah. Well, and Kira even says, why don't you go give that speech to the, to the, uh,

Cardassian Parn or whatever. Go get that speech. Doesn't she say something like that? No. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she goes, like a Parnship just about, I just put it in that docking Bay 5. Maybe you'd like to give the same speech to him.

Yeah. But that speech when Cisco says the trouble was Earth, and he says on Earth there's no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starflea headquarters, and you see Paradise. Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise. And this is a line that Iris Stephen Bear has been wanting to use ever since he started writing on next generation, but he was not allowed to do

that on next generation. But here, he was able to. And this is really a pivotal episode for him because this is the first time he shed light on the fact that the Almighty Federation isn't all that it's cracked up to be. Like, you know, we all have been visualizing or envisioning the Federation as being this pristine organization that's there. for everyone's benefit and it's just it's the best and everyone should aspire to be part of the Federation because they're the good guys and here we now see a little bit of you know he a little crack or he lifts up the he lifts up that rug to show the dirt underneath a little bit you know for the first time and out of space there's a lot more going on yeah and this is what sets

deep space nine at least according to ira's ira's opinion this episode really kind of cemented D-Space 9 having a little more darker vision of the future. It's not all perfect. And this is the first episode where he's able to finally say it. Yeah. Interesting. And certainly if you're calling, investigating what's really going on, looking behind a mask, seeking the truth, then yeah, it's not perfect. Right.

And it's dark. But the truth is in that darkness is the truth. And that is the light. And that's how we get moving forward and evolving. And if you're always wearing a mask of perfection, you're never going to get there. Because you keep pretending everything is okay when it's not okay. And that's the problem. Don't ruffle any feathers.

Well, sometimes feathers need ruffling. Yeah. But I just, you know, it's great to see this type of a scene and this type of episode because the truth is, every organization out there known to mankind has skeletons in their closets. So that may not be, some of them may be known in the general public, but a lot of times it's hidden. It's not known to the general public. And I just love that in this episode, he kind of brings light to that. Yeah.

Yeah. Where do we go next? We go into the holding cell, I think. Quark is there. Quark is being interrogated by Odo and Cisco. And they think he knows about the kidnapping. They ask about Sikona. and he does, he's still, he still is captivated by her beauty.

He talks about how beautiful she is. He does mention that Vulcans appreciate good ears, which I thought that was pretty funny. He was hilarious. He was, I'm going to say. In part one and in part two. He was just hilarious. He only had like two scenes or something in this episode. He's a good date too.

Nice wine, whining a dining, had a whole plan. no he's armin armin did a great job in this episode it was very it was just uh grounded and relaxed i never thought he was pushing he was it was just he was so present and great he was so good in this episode yeah i like what they gave him to do too yeah yeah but he spills the beans he finally gives up with the information of what he helped sikona secure which are it's so funny because he starts with because odo's waiting for the response like what did you help help acquire for her. And he says, let's see where to begin. Deflector shields, navigational array. So he stays in the things that are not in weapons. Yes, of course. Like when a kid's

telling the truth of their parents. Let me tell you. I'm trying to eat the cookies. No, I had vegetables and I had this. And then a couple hundred candy bars. And so here he goes, a couple hundred photon torpedoes. And so that's exactly how he words it. The horrible. thing is the very last thing he says. But now they know he ran weapons. They were both like... But he says, he says I didn't sell them. I just made the

introduction. So he's kind of distinguishing, like, I didn't, this isn't my fault, I just introduce people. This is mad. Yeah. Cisco is so mad. He wants a list of everything. This is true, but I love how Cork says, if you need someone to testify against Cicona

in court, I think more than work. pretty quickly. I'll do it. Yeah, he's a turn code immediately. He's like, no, I'll do it for you. And he doesn't he say, like, or anyone else, if you want me to testify against anyone. Anyone else? Yeah. I like at the end when Odo asks Cisco, how long should I keep him in there? And I think, doesn't, doesn't say forever? He says forever. Yeah. He does. Forever. Yeah. That's just mean. Forever? Yeah. He deserves it.

Oh, and it ends on court going, this isn't funny, Odo. So he's asking Odo, let him out, let him out. And he's still standing. It was a great visual, the shape of that window with a fork sitting. Like the three-quarter thing. I love that when it's framed out that way where there's, or a third, right? You're in one third of it and the rest of it. Yeah, over on the side.

I love that. Yeah, this episode was shot really well. I thought Corey did a great job. And Marvin, of course. It did a great job. Yeah. What's next? We go to the...

Legate Parne. Legate Parm, promenade. Legate Parm. Don Shuck. Gawa's favorite Italian meal. Chicken Parm. Walks with Cisco and Kira. Yes.

Yeah, Legget Parm is basically... He's writing the narrative. Or at least Central Command has told him how this narrative is going to go. And the person to blame for the smuggling of arms is actually gold to come. of all people. He's the one smuggling everything. And of course, Cisco already knows better. Cisco knows already.

This is what they're doing. They're making him the patsy. Making him the fall guy. They're framing him. And not only that. He's getting framed. Yes, they're happy that he's been kidnapped because their feeling is that the marquee

will then execute Goldicot, which saves the Cardassian Central Command from having to go through with the execution. Someone else will do it. So it's, yeah, it's, No blood on their hands. No blood on their hands. Not that they care.

Poor Gold Ducats. I know. Well, I don't feel bad for him, but I really like him in this episode. He became so much more likable. Didn't he? I like how, well, this is the first time I think we see him had the complexity of his relationship with Cisco. Yeah, yeah. And I really, really enjoyed the scenes they had together.

I really liked watching the two of them work together. Yeah. And Mark's an excellent act. actor he's incredible he really is i felt like in those scenes trust him but i like him better than i did does that make sense yep i felt like in those scenes with cisco and and galducott that the two actors were on their a game because of each other like they really you know they both knew they were they were each really strong actors and they were they were almost trying to outact each other sometimes it felt which is part of the characters too you know who's a

They each have big egos, right? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Their scenes are electric. When they're on screen together, as a viewer, you're forced to watch. You don't even, you can't look away. You're just like, oh, my gosh, these guys are great. Yeah.

Well, after, what is it, chicken parm? Chicken farm. Chicken farm leaves. Chicken farm leaves. And he says, this place has lost its charm, and then he leaves, which I thought was an interesting little slam. Slam, exactly, a shot. now that our space station isn't ours anymore?

You saw when he said that. It's when the two-part Bajorans walk out. He looks about it in a second. Yeah. Yeah, this doesn't have a charm before because, of course, it shows his hatred of Bajorans there. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't like it.

I wonder if Corey added that, or if that was scripted. Oh, you mean added the background actors walking out there? Yeah. That's very possible. I have some Bajorans walk real close to him, and then it'll motivate that line. Well, it's kind of hard not to have Bajorans in our... In the promenade. Well.

Yeah. Yeah. I would have. I would have had it where it was a larger group of them walking out and kind of bumping into him a little bit, you know, where they, and he kind of looks back and at them and has that look of, yeah, it's lost its chunk, for sure. That feels like a director choice, though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he leaves. Kieran Sisko do not believe him, obviously. They know Central Command or they believe Central Command is funneling the weapons. And again, I want to say the Admiral comes for one scene and leave. and this chicken parm comes for a scene.

Like, why didn't these guys just talk on a view screen? They could have made a phone. And we're sorry, John Shuck. We know you're not chicken parm. We know. Yes, exactly. Yeah, why did he, you're right. All this could have been on a view screen.

No one had to come to the station. Either time. It almost makes it less seem like the stakes are lower because they're there. Yes. Once they're there, if they, leave, it kind of deflates the tension. Whereas if they're threatening to come, you know, we're going to come there. If you don't handle this, it would have been. Yeah. And also, if you're not face to face with somebody, you can understand more the avoidance in the conversation. But when

you're face to face, you have that opportunity to really seize the moment. Yeah. And you don't. Yeah. And the stakes are this high. Yeah. And we're talking about starting a war. Yes, exactly. And they're there. And they're there. And they don't seem to be talking about war in the same way as soon as they're out of the room that we're talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird.

From both of them. From both. Yeah. Chicken Parm had to leave pretty quickly because he had to tend to the restaurant back on Cardassia. The Italian restaurant. There you go. I hear it's. Legate Parm's chicken parm.

That's the main dish on the menu is what it is. Oh. Okay. we go to ops go to ops go dax updates everybody and it's not good news bad news three three federation settlers killed in response to blowing up the vok nor uh cisco says well this is just going to be an excuse to perpetuate the violence by the monkee this is not this is going downhill fast yeah um o'brien says there was no ship near ducotte when they when they took him so he's done the research on the warp trails or whatever. No ships, but there were five M class planets that they went close

to. So Cisco immediately is like, low the coordinates into the Rio Grande, tell Bashir to meet me the ship. And I went, Bashir? You're going to. Yeah. There's a war. I mean, I love Bashir. I'm team Bashir, but Bashir? Really? We saw him in an elevator in part one. That was it, wasn't it? I think so. Yeah. It was like, oh, this is going to upset. the boys, meaning you two. Team Bashir's going to be like, uh-uh, he was only, like five seconds. We need him to have something significant to do, and he doesn't, you know, Cisco brings one person and it's Bashir.

Yeah, I know it sounds kind of funny, but I also think that Cisco's thinking, if we may find DuCott injured, so we'll need some, you know, a doctor to be there to treat him. I wish he had said that. Yeah, that would have been nice if he said that, but he didn't. He heads out and Kira says, As Cisco's leaving, like, why are you going to save him? The Cardassians don't want him. And he's a bad guy, basically.

So just leave him. Let the Maquis kill him. And Cisco says, if the Kardashians want him dead, that's reason enough for us to save him. Yeah. So Cisco's smart in that moment. It's a really good point. Yeah. Oh, this is a great scene.

So we're in the caves. We start off with, you hear the my mind to your mind, the classic Vulcan mind melt. statement. And then we kind of pull back and we see it's Sikona. Sikona's trying to mind-meld and she's trying to mind-meld Dakot. And guess what? It's not working at all. And this is honestly, it's funny to me because as long as Robbie and I have been working in Trek, we've never seen a mind-meld not work. So for us to see this one, it's out. And it's, it's so awesome because it literally, Mark Alamo just opens his eyes. Just he's just sitting there. It's like, it's not going to do anything. I'm sorry. It's my, it's my shh.

My thoughts are shielded because Cardassians learn how to shield their mind at a very young age. But, you know, there's other people there. There's other, there's other McKee that believe that, well, mind melt's not the only way to get information out of somebody. So it is Amoros who's really wanting to kind of rough them up a little bit. And it's funny because you do have Dakot talking about how pitiful Federation people are and trying to get information out and how good Kardashians are at extracting information. because they're so good at torture and doing that kind of thing. But it is Amoros who kind of wants to prove that, look, I can show you how close to Cardassian I can be

because he wants to do the interrogation. But during this little talk back and forth, this is basically when Cisco appears with Bashir, our man Bashir, who's good at everything. Oh, yeah, and Otto's there. I forgot, Otto. And Otto. Yeah, Odo's there. Yep.

Yeah, tells the marquee to put down the weapons. Right. It is actually good that Bashir's there. yeah yeah yeah yeah he's someone gets injured yeah so many times we do that without him and then we're then you're screwed so well exactly but you know it's a standoff it's a standoff it's a standoff between Cisco Odo and Bashir Amaro Sikona holding Scott's like shoot him do cutts like shoot him what are you waiting for inflict some pain I'm a Cardassian he's such a rabble rouser de Kahn is such a And so he's so impatient that he takes it into his own hands.

He gets up. He back hands Sikona. He knocks her. That's the second time he's punched Sikona in the face. Do you notice that? Is it really? Yeah, he did that earlier on D-Space 9. And he does it again here.

Maybe he has something against Vulcans. I don't know. But he knocks her to the ground. That begins the firefight, basically. The Federation or the Cisco and company, they do win that firefight. They let Amoros go, but only. to give a message to Cal to Cal Hudson. Well, the first, before they let him go,

Odo Lassos Amaros, is trying to come up. Oh, wasn't that great? I forgot about that, yes. Does the stretch. Yes, the stretch sting. I love that. A stretch arm, strong hands. Stretter is strong, totally.

All right. Isn't it? Let me. Yes. Can I read this little bit? No. For this episode, no. For this episode, the DS9 visual effects team was asked to make it look as though

Odo turned his arm into a fluid, stretched it across the room, and then pulled someone off a ladder. Never having done that before, the team had to write special computer software in order to accomplish the assignment. Wow. I love that. Wow. Computer software. Because what it reminded me of was the Terminator, the second Terminator, where the guy was able to turn into liquid and everything. But that movie was after this, I'm pretty sure, at this time when they filmed this. So they had to write very extensive computer programs for Permanator, and they had to do it here too.

Well, they could have just come filmed at my house. We had a stretch Armstrong, and we could have just pulled it and just filmed that. Because it kind of looked like that to me. It could have been practical effect. Yeah. Not even. Robert Patrick. He was the Terminator.

Yeah, the second one. The metal. Yes. Sorry. I used to look it up because it bug me. Motorcycles with Robert Patrick when we were doing Star Trek, yeah. You rode with him? Yeah, I rode with him quite a few times.

Nice. Anywho. Okay, stretch armstrong. Cisco tells Amaro that he's free to go, tell Hudson that we're going to solve this together with Starfleet. So he's, Cisco still got hope. And he says, tell him I still have his uniform. He can have it back any time he wants. Yeah, he's really obsessed about this uniform.

This uniform is a huge thing. Yeah. Because it represents Starfleet, right? We go back on DS9 to some guest quarters. Dukot is uncorking a bottle and pouring this luxurious meal and wine. I don't know if it was wine. That thing looked like syrup, like really thick syrup that he poured. But that's what he drank.

He drank that. Maybe it's Cardassian wine. Yeah, yeah. You can either eat it or drink it in Cardassia. It's your choice. Well, he's got a feast. Duccott's having a feast. Cisco comes in.

They discuss. justice, basically, Cardassians. We learned that Cardassians decide the outcome of trials before they even happen. Yeah. And Cisco's like, well, what's the point then? Why even do it? DuCott asks about his rescue from his own people. Did the Cardassians come to save me? They must have been here. And Cisco says, well, yeah, but they blamed you for smuggling these weapons and said that they'd kill you if the Maquis didn't, which I thought was for Ducaut. He was really. he was shook by that wasn't he yeah yeah entirely well because he's all coming no and he's always been on the forefront of knowing anything that's going on that's shady and everything he's he's like

the master manipulator but now he's been manipulated and so now he feels the pain of being on the outside looking in and man he does but he covers well though and mark and limo played that beautifully that moment of realization when he finds out chicken parm has been sort of like kind of lobbying for his death as opposed to, you know, taking up for him, sticking up for him.

It's a big scene. It's a really big thing. But he says, I think DuCard says when he learns this information, he says, it seems my relationship with the central command has somewhat deteriorated.

Yeah. Yes. I think he's slightly underestimated. how bad that is. That's pretty bad. They went you dead, dude. He went to dead.

But he's sort of facing away from Cisco in this scene in those moments. And it was, I thought it was really kind of sad. I felt really bad for him because he's realizing he's been abandoned in this situation. Yeah. Abandoned, just like Cal Hudson's Starfleet uniform. Abandoned. There's a lot of abandonment going on in this episode. A lot.

You know? The abandonment of our principles. Abendent. Our integrity. Yes. Yeah. I hope to never have to say this statement ever. It seems my relationship with Robin McNeil has somewhat deteriorated, deteriorated.

I can't even say that. You can't even say it. You can't even say it. Don't even try to say it. Curiorated. It's just too sad. It's so sad. It won't even come out of my mouth.

Look at that. Okay. Don't say it. Don't say it. Okay. So, Dakota agrees. Is it any thing? Ducata agrees to work with Cisco now because his thing is, his relationship.

relationship has deteriorated. And he's like, I'm going to work with Cisco. We'll stop the smuggling. We'll stop the maquis. He thanks Cisco for his rescue. And at the end of the scene, Cisco says, well, of course, you would have done the same for me, right? And then he takes a couple steps, Cisco, and he laughs. He leaves.

Doesn't he do one laugh, Rob? It doesn't go. He has a little swerk. There's a little. Yeah, he goes like that. Just one little thing. And he walks on. Yeah.

It's funny as hell, man. I love Cisco in this scene. He's great. Oh, God. Avery makes some quirky choices on your show, Terry. He makes quirky. Yeah. It's interesting, though.

Robbie, it's refreshing as hell. It's refreshing as hell. I'm sorry. I love it. I love it. Yeah. It's very cool. That laugh was so funny when he leaves.

To me, that was very Avery. Right. Really? Because you've been around it. You know how he is, right? But that, I mean. I'm sure it was a choice he was making, but that reminds me of him, you know, kind of taking the piss out of somebody else that thinks they've kind of won the situation

and you're like, no, you didn't. Oh, yeah. That little sound effect. You didn't get away with anything. Yeah. That one bit of noise, it said so much. It said volumes. Everyone understood what was going on.

And the fact that he's so offbeat like that, it is refreshing to me. There's no other Starfleet commander. captain that's like that. Jazz musician. He's a jazz musician speaking jazz. And through, he communicates in jazz. Totally. Yeah. He's feeling it and that's what he does. And he's really good at it. He's riffing. Really good. Yeah. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh. So much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's been insane. Trip after trip. You've been doing your impersonation of me. Yes.

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I didn't do anything. No, it just gave him 200. Firepower. Yeah, that's insane. It's a lot. It sounds like they're planning something big. These marquee, they're getting armed up for something big. Odo says he can't get any information out of the Vulcan.

Dukot offers to interrogate her. Yeah. Cisco. No, no. Cisco says no. Duccott says the Zeppelites are probably how the Kardashians got the weapons to the demilitarized zone. I talked about how hard that is to say. The demilitarized zone. It's not easy.

I just wrote them to the DMZ. The DMZ. The DMZ. Goldaqat says the Zeppelites probably smuggled the weapons. And they say, well, why? How do you know it's them? And he says because the Zeppelites have never been caught. So these must be the best smugglers around.

There are dudes. Yeah. We go on the Mekong, we're in about Mekong. They're trying to hail the Zeppelite ship, no response. They can't scan it because of whatever the hull's made out of, the composition of the hole. Dukot says, you know, they can go to warp 9.6 so they can outrun us if they try to get away. Cisco says fire warning shot across the bow. they do. And we meet Drofo. He introduces himself as the Hetman. I am the head man of the ship.

I don't think he said Hetman. Did he say the Hetman? Didn't he? It was it's, yeah, the Hetman. I don't know. It's the Hetman. He's the head man. It wouldn't be the head man. The headband? Did they just go? Is he the headband of the ship? The head man. Like the, oh, the head man. Like a boss. That's what I'm saying. I think they were like, we got to make up an alien word. You're impossible. Get your mind out of Las Vegas. The head man. I'm in L.A. right now.

I'm in Los Angeles. She's teasing you. You're mean to me now. Well, Drofo responds. Your big baby. What happened? Cisco says he thinks that Drofo has smuggled weapons, he tells him. Drofo says, no, I've only got five kilotons of weed husks.

Cannabis. No, weed husks. That's pretty much the same. Weed husks. Cisco says. I want to see, please let me board. I want to look at these wheat husks, five kilotons. That's a lot of wheat husks.

Drofa says, nope. You're not coming on my ship. Then Dukot gets up. Dukot's, like good cop, bad cop here. Dukot gets up. He tells Drofo what's going to happen. He will do what they say. Let them board, see these smuggled weapons.

Then you're going to confess. You're going to sign the confession, and then maybe we'll spare your life. And Drofo, all of a sudden, he's scared. I was really impressed. I was like, yes. I was like yes, too. But I think that Mark had some issues with demilitarized zone because there was a little bit of pause.

But before that, I felt like maybe there were other takes that didn't work. And then he finally nailed it on this one. And it was so exciting to hear him tell this person, this Hetman, what time it is and how he's going to. I mean, it was a great scene, very powerful. Yeah, because it was one of those moments where, at least for me, in watching these, two episodes. I went back and forth like an episode of 2020. Am I in with Duquot? Am I not in with Ducaut? It's like a dateline. Who's the bad guy? Like, oh my God. Which Duquette am I trusted? Am I right to trust him? I want the dateline narrator. Go keep going. That was it.

Yeah. So when he stood up though and did this, it was like, and also it's totally believable because he is a leader, a high-ranking leader in Cardassia. So it's really weird if you didn't let him take control from time to time. And why would he ask Cisco for permission? But I just loved that moment. And that was so, yes, yes, Big Daddy is looking out for us. And then at the end. Maybe not the right words to say, but that's how it felt.

Please never call Dukot Big Daddy ever. No, he would like it too much. Don't say I said that. Or goal daddy, not goaddy, go daddy, go to God, no. No. I love the seconds that Descartes gives when he starts saying seven seconds. And he's like, I've already been paid. Four seconds.

Stop counting. Stop counting. That was like. You know, that was great. Yeah. It really was. And then at the very end, Duquette turns to Cisco and he says, I think you can handle it from here. Yeah.

Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. No, that I did all the heavy lifting. Yeah. And Kira's in the shuttle with them, right? Isn't Kira in the shuttle with them? I find that, will you think about how hard that must be for Kira Norese to be in the same space as Golducat, period?

Yeah. She was in the shuttle? Are you sure? No, I don't think so. She is. She is, dude. Yeah. She's there.

Because when he sat down, she's looking at him. Oh, yes. The last shot. She doesn't say anything in the scene. Here is staring at Dakot, like, who are you? And when Descartes sits down, it's a 50, it's a 50, you see the profile shot of him. Yeah. And he smiles.

He's like, he has that really awesome smile. That's called a raking shot. A raking shot. I like that raking shot. But it was also, it was interesting to me, you think, you know, you got to give, uh, Kira a little credit here. Yeah. Yeah.

Because she's keeping her P's and Q's in order. And I think that would be virtually impossible considering Goldaqat's position in the war and the occupation. And that she was in a 26 years, she reminds us, 26 years. Correct. But this is shocking for her for Kira because this is the very first time she's ever seen Goldaqat do anything on behalf or against Cardassia, basically. Right. You know, so she's like, what? It's unbelievable.

It's a great scene. Did they cut to her as he was. Speaking, did they ever? No, just at the end, dude. Just at the end. But I don't think you can complicate it by having her do too much in that because then you're going to get into them escalating their own issues, right? I don't even think, for me, now that you've reminded me, she was at the end of the scene,

but I never saw her through the whole scene. But it would have been nice when he's laying into the Drofo or whatever's name is. It'd be nice to cut back to Kira. Having her reaction. Wait, what? Yeah. It would have been nice to. Didn't use it.

Yeah, maybe. No, because the entire time that they're dealing with, the Hetman, it's just a two shot of Cisco and Dakot, a little bit in the background. That's it, right? So you don't seek care at all. This opportunity here is the relationship with Cisco and Duquette. So since we only have 42 minutes. Yeah, that's what they're going to show.

Yeah. Okay, fine. Great scene, though, regardless. Yeah, great scene. Okay, fine. Okay, we go to the holding cell back with my favorite. Shut you down. Favorite stuff.

I love the Quark stuff in this episode. Quark is educating Sikona on Ferengi logic of peace. Talks about the third rule of acquisition, never spend more for an acquisition than you have to. And he's trying to tell her that you're in a perfect spot race. Right now you can get peace at a bargain basement price. And attacking them is only going to escalate everything. Yeah. So he goes, so do you get that? I mean, is that logical to escalate the?

conflict to make it even worse. So he's trying to speak to her Vulcan sensibilities. And he's very clear cut with his explanation. He even says, I'll make it is, I'll make it so simple that even a Vulcan can understand. So Quark's very good in this scene.

He's very good. Armand in this one. Yeah, he's good in every single one of them. I'm actually surprised that she didn't have a reaction. After he says, do you get it? Isn't that? Yeah, she didn't say anything. Yeah. Yeah. We go to the guest quarters next.

Who's in here? Descartes, Cisco. They're discussing all the information they got from Sakona. So I guess this is the answer to that. She doesn't answer, because Quark says, that's logical, isn't it? And we cut into this scene and they're saying, okay, she gave us some information. So he convinced her. So they got this information that the weapons are concealed near a Cardassian population center.

So the Cardassian weapons. and that the marquee are planning on attacking that spot within the next 52 hours. Cisco says he hasn't shared any of this information with Cardassia. Duccott says he's got a friend that he can ask inside the, the whatever they're called. Central command. Yeah, he's got a friend there that he can ask to verify this information. And Cisco says, I'm going to go try to talk some sense into the marquee.

So there, it feels like they're starting to get some track. to stop this war, to save the day. Yeah. And I love this moment in the middle where Cisco says he believes the Vulcan, the information they got. And DuCott says, why? Because Vulcans don't lie. Cisco's like, well, as a rule, no, they don't.

Which I think is, yeah, it's an interesting reminder that Vulcans just can't lie, you know, or generally can't lie. I'm trying to think of Tuvok ever lied on our show. Well, he did lie because he played a marquee. He wasn't even, you know, he lied to his jocococ. Okay. So, yeah, he was able to lie if he has a mission to do it. Yeah, true. Yeah, I'm sure he lied in some of our missions on our show, too.

All right, so Vulcans aren't that great, okay? They're not that great. Yeah, they're not so cool. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. Tim Russ. Vulcans aren't that great. Yeah, they're not that cool.

I love Spock, so stop it. Yeah, Spock's pretty cool. Terry's like, come on, I like Bokens. I like Bokens, they're cool. We cut inside a meeting house, I guess, the Starfleet Colonist meeting house, right? Ciscoe shows up, he's got a message. Aren't they all Maquis?

Yeah, they're Starfleet colonists who are now Maquis, correct? We're all, yep, Mocki meeting. Maki Headquarters. Meanwhile, meanwhile, back at Maki headquarters. That's cute It's very funny I like it Cisco says he's got a message

For everyone Wanted them to tell everyone This message that the treaty means Anybody who is an enemy of Cardassian Or Cardassia Is an enemy of Starfleet So he's kind of saying

This treaty is legit It's for real You know We're going to You know If the Cardassians are attacked If you attack their weapons Depot, you're going to have to come through Starfleet and through me.

And that's what he's going to guard. Yeah. He says he's going to guard that, that weapons depot. He's not going to allow them to destroy it. And that's when he says that, that's when the meeting gets interrupted because all these doors open up. And it's like they could have all come through one door, but no, they had to show each door open up with a different group of maquis with weapons come through, right? Don't mock. Somebody were very hard on that. I'm not. I'm just saying.

Exactly. It was like the bad guy's lair. It was. It was. And it was like, let's make a deal. Door number one, door number two, or door number three? Which one has the marquee? But they all had a-dating game.

Or the dating game, exactly. That's when we see a cow. Cow's there and cows like, hey, very impassioned speech. I heard everything you said. And then that's when Cisco puts that bag on the table. which we don't know what's in there but he does tell us that's Cal's uniform. He's got his uniform, his Starfleet

uniform ready to give to him because Cal clearly has abandoned Starfleet and his uniform. He wants him to take it back. Cow doesn't want it. Cow's sort of like, you know, and there's one point where you think he's about to fire on Cisco, but he pulls his phaser out. Instead of firing at Cisco, he fires at the bag

and it just... He evaporates. It evaporates. Yeah, he vaporizes the bag. I would have just brought the uniform. I wouldn't have brought that cool bag. Now the bag is destroyed. I know.

I did the bag too. That bag lost his life for nothing. Give these weird fetishes. Yeah. Accessories. A bag? You're into accessories. You burned up the bag?

Bag lost its life for nothing. He could have just shown the uniform. Here's your uniform. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We go back to ops.

They're meeting about the location of the depot, this weapons depot. and figuring out a plan, they have to intercept them before Central Command picks them up on sensors or else this war is just, you know, they've got to stop this before it spreads, before there's too much information spread. Yeah. So they realize that they only have two ships, so our good guys have three ships, so they're going to be outnumbered. That's good. That's pretty good.

Yeah. You know what I'd like to is how do you propose to stop them, Dach says. Dukot says, what's that human expression? shoot to kill and Cisco says we'll try to stop them with words if possible with force if necessary it's just like du cot is the he's so like kill happy he's a cowboy yeah he's a cowboy he doesn't care let's hang them all yeah i don't care who started it yes he's very sarcastic at the end he's like How noble. Yeah.

I hope the marquee will be as obliging to you. You, yeah. No, they won't. Is this when we all go out? Yeah, everybody goes out. Everyone's in a runabout now. Yeah, we got the Rio Grande with Cisco in there. We've got the Mekong, the Orinoco.

So we have two other, the other two runabouts are also there. Kira and O'Brien are in, sorry, Kira's in one with who? Who's Kira? O'Brien. O'Brien. And, yeah. You're and O'Brien are in the Orenoco. No, because O'Brien says Mekong here.

So he's in the Mekong. So who else is in the Orenoko with Kura? Dax is out there? Maybe it's Dax and Kira. Maybe he is Dax. Oh, my word, I just saw it. How could I? Do you think they're coming?

They'll know. We're waiting for them after all. Oh, is O.C. Overcom? Yeah, like off camera. Off camera. It's Kira and Dax are in the Orinoco. Kieran Daxon, for sure.

O'Brien and Bashir. Brian and the Mekong. Okay. And the Rio Grande, or Grande, as we say. It's a big sequence with a big space fight. We've got our three hero ships with all the people we talked about. Hudson and his two ships show up. Hudson's got some really clever moves, by the way.

He's a very good pilot. He is. But it ends up. But he is good. Not as good as Tom Paris. No. And not as good as me. And not as good as stats.

Although I'm pretty probably not as good as Paris So Well, here's the thing Dax and Kira's ship The Orinoco That gets disabled The Mekong with O'Brien

And Bejure That gets disabled One of the One of the bad guy ships gets disabled So we end up in a standoff Basically With Cisco and Hudson

They're in this faceoff moment Cisco could destroy him Dukot wants him to shoot He's kill kill kill But basically, at the end of this sequence, Cisco lets him live and warns him that he's going to be a hunted man for the rest of his life. So Hudson will live to fight another day, it looks like. Dukotius does not understand this.

He's like, what are you waiting for? Just shoot him. Well, and then killing him, honestly, even if there wasn't the friendship involved, would create a martyr out of him. Wouldn't stop the marquee, but really reinforce everything about their movement. So that wouldn't help. And then how would he live with himself? Yeah. Of course, Duquette has made it clear he has a very tough stomach

and he doesn't worry about those things. Yeah. Okay. You know he has seven kids. I have a complaint about Starfleet design engineers. Dax, you're in a runabout that loses your navigational array. That's why you guys have no control. They place the navigational array very prominently on the very top of the shuttle.

Why can't you put it hidden underneath where you can't hit it with a phaser or anything? That just, it just bothers me. It's so easy. They put these vulnerable systems so exposed. It's so exposed. It's like, here, hit me. That's why I designed the Delta Flyer Shuttle for our show. Yes.

Do you know that, Terry, that Tom Parris designed it? He designed a shuttle and his free time, yeah. It wasn't just you. Harry helped a lot too. That's true. Come on now. Are these the moments where you? really wish your character's attributes were yours?

Yes, I wish I could build anything. I'd take my car to the jiffy loop for an oil change. I'm not going to do it myself. But here's a thing, Robbie. I frequently fly Delta and just go, pilots, out of there. I'll take over. I flew the Defiant. Never watched Star Trek Deep Space 9?

Well, here, I got a little show for you on my phone. And I'll just be flying this. He walks up to you. I'm classified. I have runabout classification. I can pilot a runabout. I can pilot this 737 right now. Get out of the cockpit.

Get out of the cockpit. I'm so excited. I haven't done this for years. I've done this for years. Oh, my God. I'm glad I don't fly Delta with you. Oh, my God. No.

But Robbie, when you built the Delta Flyer with Harry, when Tom and Harry built the Delta flyer, we clearly did not put the navigational array on top where any No, we didn't. No, no. We stuck it in a very obscure area where no one knows about. Exactly. You don't put your vital, you know, your most vital component in plain view. Like the black box, which is red.

Yes, exactly. It is a reddish orange. Then why not call it a orange box or red box? The fire box. The fire box. Firebox. All right. So, so, so Cistow and Cal Hudson are in the standoff.

Yeah. They both don't want to kill each other. I mean, Hudson even says next. time, you know, send Starfleet, have Starfleet send someone else because it doesn't feel right us shooting at one another. Yeah. So they're clearly, neither one of them wants to kill the other one. Yeah. And this entire time, Descartes's rolling his eyes over and over again. He's like, oh. Well, he's saying, what are you waiting for? Yeah, what are you waiting for? You can take him out right now. He's helpless. Yeah. Yeah. He calls him a fool. You're a fool, a sentimental fool.

Yeah. But Cisco, at the end of this long battle seat, and the standoff and all. Cisco does say, I said that I'd stop the marquee, and I have. I've stopped this. Because Calhudson, after this little battle in the standoff,

Cal's like, let's go back. Let's get out of here. We're not going to do this. So he didn't, Cisco did achieve, you know, a temporary solution.

He won the battle. He won the battle, not the war, for sure. But that's okay. You win the war, one battle at a time. But you're going to finish his thought,

weren't you? I said I'd stop the mucky and I have, but I like this part when he said, I will not kill a good man for trying to defend his home. And to me, that was my argument right at the get-go. Like, if they would sit down at a table and have a constructive conversation about how to reinforce the treaty, so it's fair. Yeah. And enforce, so people are living the lives they're promised, even though not perfect. Mm-hmm. But I like that it came, the writers came back around to remind them that Cal's not a bad guy.

Misguided, ego-driven, wants revenge. But these are all, he has really good reasons to have the struggle in him and his need to try to get justice for his people. Yeah, yeah. What were you going to say, Garrett? Yeah, quick FYI, Iris Stephen Bear intended to have Hudson die at the end of this episode. However, Michael Pillar vetoed this idea. But then later, when Michael Pillar was watching Daly's, he commented to Bear that he had been right to have wanted Hudson to die

at the end of this episode. What? Yeah, so it's kind of funny. So initially, he was like, no, no, no. And what a big man, Pillar is, to just admit it. To admit like, hey, I was wrong, Ira. You should have killed him at the end of this episode. Duke Hott would have done it.

He was... Oh, how good. great. Would that have been if Dukot took over the controls and just did it? He tried to. He tried to. And that's when Cisco shoved him down. Remember in the very end? Yeah, but I know. But what I'm saying is if that's how it happened. Oh, yes, yes, of course. And then it makes Duccott once again the bad guy again. Yeah. Would that have been more satisfying ending for you then, Terry? Do you think if that's the way it ended? No, because I really like peace. So I'm really, I don't want anybody to die. I don't want Bernie It is it not clear?

I want everyone to sit at a table and work it out and have a compromise. Everybody doesn't get 100% of what they wanted, but we're going to watch together. No one has to. No. And interestingly, of course, it's very close to my heart that no one should have to die over it, especially me. Exactly. Yeah, you're just floating out there without your navigation system.

Conversations. Yeah. Let's talk this out now that I have not. No navigation systems. Yeah, we don't need to fight anymore. I think we should talk. Our last scene here, I think it's our last scene, right? Yeah, we go to the commander's office.

Kira comes in, updates Cisco, the Dukot left. The repairs on the runabouts are nearly done. And Kira congratulates Cisco for stopping this war. And we end with Cisco saying, I'm not sure. Maybe it's inevitable. Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, there you go. Yeah.

Or did I just delay the inevitable? Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's how I took the show. Yeah. Yeah, it didn't feel like this marquee thing was done. No.

No. It was our introduction to them. Yeah. Which I really liked a lot. I liked that they had, you know, that's being led by a rebel Starfleet officer. And I like the storyline. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.

Robbie, what is your theme and lesson moral for this episode? My theme is revenge just perpetuates more violence and that peace must start from within. Oh, I like it. Yeah, I feel like, to me, this whole idea of like revenge, you know, the Boknour, now they're going to get revenge. and then they're going to blow up near, you know, the weapons near a civilian center. Probably there's going to be more people dead. I think at one point didn't we hear that three of the colonists, the Starfleet, the Maquis colonists were killed in some attack.

Like it's just, it's perpetuating more and more violence. And like Terry said, just talk, talk. Like if you can have a little empathy for someone's experience and understanding and put all your feelings on the table, you'll sort this out and stop trying to just get revenge. It's a waste of time. Yeah. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yeah. Two wrongs don't make a right. Is that your theme? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it is it. Okay. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Yeah. That's perfect, though. Yes. And it kind of just describes what you just said, too. Yeah, very similar. Just super frustrating to me. Yeah. And I can't believe Starfleet wouldn't sit.

down and have a conversation. That just seems so unstarfleet to me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure my lesson, my theme from part one is pretty much what you just said, Robbie. So, really? Yeah, because I said, I think back then I said violence begets violence. Somebody needs to stand up and stop the cycle of violence, right? Yeah. Somebody has to be the bigger person and say, okay, yeah, you just murdered my best friend, but I'm not going to come back and murder your best friend. I'm done. We're finished right here. You have to end it. And that's what Cisco's trying to do. He is. Yeah. He is.

He's trying. Like, this is ridiculous. Yeah. But we didn't see him make tracks with that ambassador to do something. That was frustrating, too, when he covered for Cal instead of. Yeah, it's funny. I didn't catch that when I watched it. But as we're talking this through, it jumped out at me early in the episode. Like, he's not involved. Starfleet and the Kardashians like put all this truth out on the table and that's going to be

the most helpful thing for these columns yeah that's going to be the most cutting off your nose despite your face yeah misinformation that that's seen that perpetuating misinformation is right that's seen with kira everything was coming out with the admiral nothing was coming up nothing sort of like oh okay with with with chicken parm nothing was coming out either it's just like come on you got to let But he obviously couldn't deal with it because it wasn't like it was coming out to Kira in a discussion. He was frustrated, so he blasted what he didn't say with the admiral. He said to Kira. Yeah, so he was triggered.

Yeah, for sure. But hey, how about this? Our patron poll winner for theme moral of the episode submitted by, no surprise, for Rosa Meta. It's easy to be a saint in paradise. Oh, I like that. Which is nice. I like that too. But it would have been nice to see Paradise to see a little compare and contrast.

Yeah. I think, Garrett, that kind of ties into what jumped out to you, that line about paradise, you know, back on Earth. Earth is the problem. Right. Yeah, it's a new idea. That's a great idea that we've never heard on Star Trek before. No. And I really loved that Ira was holding it, you know, that wanted to, you know, that wanted to, you.

use it on NextGen and obviously couldn't. I'm glad he got to use it for our show. And he got to use it and Faroza Meta loved it. And she got her theme from it. So, yeah. Thanks, for Rosa. Yeah, we have finished our recap and discussion

of the Maki Part 2. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in. Join us on the next episode when we will be recapping and discussing the episode The Wire with Armand and special guest Andy Robinson as well. Wow, very excited.

Oh, you lucky dogs. Terry's like, I love Andy. I miss him. I did a lot of conventions with him. Andy's awesome. That's exciting. That's very exciting. It is.

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