The Delta Flyers - The Passenger

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

The Delta Flyers is a weekly podcast hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode is The PassengerThe Passenger: The crew of Deep Space Nine tries to track down a wanted prisoner who may have transferred his consciousness before dying.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Janet K Harlow, Brian Barrow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Vikki Williams, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Matt Norris, & Izzy JafferOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Chris Knapp, Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas,  Matthew Gravens, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Mary Jac Greer, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Tom Paynter, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, Christopher Arzeberger, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Steven Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Mars DeVore, Stephanie Lee, & David SmithAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Meredith Hudes-Lowder, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Species 2571, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Samantha Hunter, Jamason Isenburg, Ashley Stokey, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Ryan Benoit, John Richardson, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Ryan Tomei-Siguroarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Shane Pike, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Akash Patel, Linda Daireaux, Jennifer Vaughn, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Lisa Hill, Stacy Davis, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Pamela Miller, Rik Moran, Jan Hanford, Constance, Loretta ReyesThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine, your host today for this journey. Our Armand Shimmerman, our beloved entrepreneur, Garrett Wong. yes yes it's a nice way to put it right it's a very nice way to put it and i got tough willing he did he was quark and entrepreneur yes you're an entrepreneur i'm an entrepreneur and a community and a community leader and dutiful too for that dudeful very dutiful we've also got garrott wong our forever ensign and myself your favorite helmsman robert duncan mcneal arman welcome so good to have you

thank you thank you nice to be here i'm in a different room but thank you thank you thank you nice I know. It's exciting. You're, you've got roofers there today. I've got roofers working on the main house and, oh, my God. They haven't gotten here yet, but I expect a lot of noise. So for those of you who do hear the noise, my apologies. Oh, there's a plane, by the way. We have to stop. There's a plane. No. Oh. What's the estimate on that in terms of the roofers being done? How long? When we do the next one of these? No. They should be dead. Actually, because of the,

I have solar panels, the solar panels go off today. And then the roofer comes in the day after. So actually, the roof and the solar panels will be done by Sunday. Well, perhaps that's quick. But the damage that the rain did, which is extensive, that will take a number of days. And that's after the roofer's leave. How does quark feel about all of this, spending all this money? He's not very happy. He's not very happy. He's hoping. He's hoping. that they take gold press latinum but I doubt it has any fan ever actually come

up to you and presented you a gift of their of actually a gold but a real gold in case you know what I've been shown it they've shared it with me for a moment then they've taken it back but I've gotten a lot of wooden replicas which of course

is what the original ones were as well or 3D printed 3D printed ones they probably do you know probably yeah yeah so uh i do have a little collection of gold press latinum uh wooden ones in try to pay the roofers with that i will try yeah if they're into ds9 they might take it they you know yeah i'll tell you a quick story i know this is totally off base but mark twain uh was around when they first invented checks writing checks instead of giving money and um he would pay for everything with

checks, not because he liked checks, but because he was so famous. He knew that people wouldn't cash the checks because they had the signature of Mark Twain on the check. And so he saved a lot of money that. Oh, my gosh. He was a clever man and always. That's a clever. Mark. Wow. Wow. That's a great story. That's a great story. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's dive right into our episode. We don't have any birthdays this week. No, we do. We do. We have one birthday. Wait, holy deal. Yes. No, it's Lolita Facho. For those of you who don't know who Lolita is, Lolita was the writing assistant for certainly Deep Space Nine, and I'm assuming for Voyager as well. Yes. And she had a secondary career as our booker for our convention. So we're very happy to

wish a very happy birthday to Lolita. Also on the QT. She dated Max for a couple of years as well. She did. You didn't know that, Robbie? I did. not know that while you were making the show? Yes, yes, while we were making the show. And it's not a coincidence that the girl that Rahm marries is called

Leta. That's right. Wow. Oh, that's clever. I never even thought about that. I never thought about that either. Well, happy birthday to Lolita. Happy birthday, Lo! There you go. All right, let's get into our episode.

This episode is The Passenger. It aired originally on February 22nd, 1993, teleplay by Morgan Gendell, Robert Hewitt Wolf, and Michael Pillar. Michael Pillar. And in the credits for this teleplay, there are Writers Guild rules

about the word and or an ampersand. Yes. So how they get paid is based on the credit. It's listed here with Morgan Gendell and the word and. A&D. Yes. A&D.

Robert Hewitt Wolf. They were a team. And the other 50% of the script was Michael Pillar because there's an ampersand there. Got it. So basically Gendell and Wolf split their 50. So they're 25, 25%. And then Pillar gets the other 50, correct? basically that kind of version but that's why if anybody ever looks at these credits and they go

well why did they use the word and and then an ampersand it's because of writing credits and things like that yeah wGA rules basically yes okay Morgan gendal uh had the story credit the original story and paul lynch directed this he's back Paul was directing up a storm is that how you remember it that Paul was I do remember Paul being there quite a bit, but like I've said in past episodes, then they would disappear. In fact, I saw one of our regular directors, Jim Conway, and I thought he disappeared, but he said, no, he was there in the final season as well. So perhaps I'm wrong, but I think with Paul certainly, after a while, he just disappeared. What were your memories of Paul? I'm just curious. Like, how would you have

always reading in his paper. Well, everybody was working around him. He was sitting in his chair, either reading a newspaper or a magazine and really not caring what everybody was doing. That's fine because he trusted everybody to do their work and he wasn't sticking his fingers into things. That was lovely. But this was true of a lot of directors. I don't remember him giving a lot of direction.

Perhaps he did, but certainly not to me. Not that I remember. But again, it was many years ago. I mentioned this before, Armin, but Paul Lynch directed the episode of the Twilight Zone that I got my sag card in 1983. Yeah, his first job. So you very fond of him.

Yes, and Paul did direct me in that episode because at the time, I was going to drama school. And I had this very affected drama school accent. Oh, no. And I was supposed to be playing like a Valley kid, you know, like a teenager, 1983. Justine Bateman, who was a big star at the time, Family Ties had just launched, who it was a big hit.

Justine Bateman was playing a girl in, the 1600s like a pilgrim and we had telepathy in this episode so justine if you remember her from family ties she was like a valley girl and i came in from drama school and paul lynch is just a comment on on he doesn't give direction he gave me direction he's like what's with the juliard accent like drop the juliar accent you're just a regular guy i've got justine bateman over there sounding like a valley girl and you should be in the 1600s this is why casting is so important yes did you know rene taught a juliar no i did not know that yeah he taught mask when robbie was there maybe whoa no no no because mask was my favorite class it's funny you say this a pierre lefev was our

mask teacher he was a french uh comedian del arta he was a he was an incredible mass teacher and pierre was my teacher uh rene was not there but it was my favorite class The thing I loved about mask, and you can maybe relate because of prosthetics, there is a safety behind this mask. When I put on a neutral mask or I put on a character mask or whatever, I didn't have to do the work. I didn't have to do this presentational work because the mask prevented me from doing that. So I had to put it in my body in other ways. I had to put it in my voice once we got to dialogue and speaking. but a lot of mask work was just silent.

It was just behavior and just kind of getting that feeling, that experience of the circumstances, feeling that and not trying to show it with your expression in some way. It was great. It was a great class. I wish I had taken it. I certainly got it well as it work,

but I wish I had taken mask class. It would have been great fun. Yeah. And it would have saved me a lot of cirrus. That's an old English world. It would have saved me a lot of cirrus in the first, season of Deep Space 9 as I was trying to figure out what to do with the mask and realize just what you just said, you don't have to do anything with the mask. The mask does all the work. The mask does the

work, yeah. Yeah, I think probably the greatest hindrance or speed bump for any Ferengi is dealing with navigating the teeth while speaking. That's probably the main thing, right? I mean, that's... Yeah, I can hear it in this episode. In the passenger, I can hear me navigating the teeth. I must have gotten over that fairly quickly, but... And sometimes when you'll see Quark sort of person, his lips like that, that's to keep the teeth in. Oh, wow. They were slipping. And they were slipping.

I do that to keep the teeth in. Did they put like any kind of denture glue? Yeah, yeah, fix it in. Fix it. It was fix it in it. It was fix it in that put it up. Okay. Yeah. Right.

Wow. All right. Well, let's do our poetry synopsis. Poetry. So this episode, The Passenger, I have a limerick. It is the quality of limerick that you have all grown accustomed to. Very mediocre. Here we go.

Can I just start with my even more mediocre haiku, please? The longer I don't have to do my... The longer I don't have to do my... We're never going to get to this episode. You realize that. I'm going to get there. My haiku for the passenger, I promise, Armand, we'll get there. My haiku for the passenger.

Vantica has died. Or has he? Attacks begin. Bashir was the host. nice no that's horrible you did a little thing in your haiku that's kind of like my limerick you'll oh really yes okay or has he you say right yeah or has he yes here's my limerick let's hear yours a bad guy named vantica is dead not really he just went inside bashear instead cork makes a really shady deal the deridium they'll steal what's left of vantica gets being

out of Bashir's head. Wow. That's really good. I like that. Very tight. It's my typical quality. I try. I try.

Let's hear from a very intelligent. Ah, yes. So I will give you the definition of the word passenger. I thank you. Which is the title of. So from the OED, which is the Oxford English Dictionary, a sojourner, a passenger on a ship. Now, in late Middle English, It wasn't passenger.

It was passenger. A passenger. A passenger. And the N was phonetically inserted before GER, not only for passenger, passenger, but for harbinger, messenger, messenger, before there was no end. Then when the language shifted, we put an end before the GER. So it was scavenger. without an end before originally.

Habager, yeah. And then for whatever reason, probably a dialect thing, somebody put an N in and that became the way we spoke it. For all those words, wow. I like the original way. Passager is cooler sounding to me than passenger. I think you're wasting, you're spending more time on the word with the end in there. Just say, passenger.

I'm a passenger on this plane. I'm a passenger on this ship. I like Passenger. Okay. It's yours. Thank you. I love you, have the OED, because that also reminds you. me of my drama school because we we turn to that particular dictionary. Oh my goodness.

For Shakespeare text analysis. It is essential for Shakespeare. Yes, it is. The OED goes, it does the etymology of the word as far back as is known. As is recorded. I love it. Yes. And words really evolve and change over time. Yeah. Sometimes quite dramatically. So, yeah. Can I mention our guest stars? We have Caitlin Brown, but interesting enough, Julie, Caitlin Brown. Yes, but she's credited as Caitlin Brown.

But now when you talk to her, she's Julie, she's JCB. And she is one of the people who was an actor at first and now still acts, but really has become a convention manager of talent. Oh, like Lolita. Like Lolita. Well, Lillita didn't act beforehand, right? But Aaron Gray's, like Aaron Gray from about. original Buck Rogers.

She used to be on there as a series regular, and then she has this huge company, basically managing talent across the board for conventions. And Julie is my neighbor. And Julie's your neighbor. Yeah, not my immediate neighbor, but only lives about two blocks away. Oh, my gosh.

I didn't know. I would, okay. Tell her that we, I thought she was fantastic. Yes, yes. And I, Armand, I've known JCB. I've known Julie forever. And I've always known that she didn't.

episode of Deep Space Nine, but I've never seen it until this viewing. And when she came on screen, I said, now I finally get to see her act. And she really did a good job. And I may be wrong, but I think she actually did two episodes of Deep Space Nine. But we all know she did many, many episodes of Babylon Five. She was Entoth, I think, is the name of the character. And she played on Babylon Five. Yeah. Anyway, James Lashley, we have Christopher Collins and James Harper. I've known James for a long time. Also, a Juilliard, I believe. Oh, was he?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the thing about James, James get very good billing in the show, considering, I think his only physical moment is a, as brief as a hand coming up, you know? And I thought, really, they gave him guest star for that. That's quite nice, Jim. You have a very good agent. You have a very good agent.

You do see his face, though. You see his face. He says, yeah. And in the morgue, when he's in the morgue, too. Well, he says, keep me alive and then he dies. Right. Or appears to be dead. And then we see him in the morgue again.

So he worked a few days, two days maybe. He did. But yes, a good agent for that. For sure. We're starting our episode on the runabout Rio Grande. Kira and Bashir are there. Bashir basically is very pleased with his gift of being a super talented healer. He brags about how he just has a special gift.

Must be just a gift that he's got for healing and being a doctor. We'll find out more about that gift in the years to come. Oh, good. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a real gift?

Is that, oh, I just read a comedic scene. It is comedic here. But later on, I'm not going to give anything away here. Yeah. But, yes, we'll find out more about that. Oh, it does manifest in the future. Okay. Yeah, because I just read this as a comedic moment where he's.

I'm quite sure at this moment in time, that's all it was meant to be. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, Kira's very sarcastic when she says, oh, it's such a privilege to be in your presence. I loved her reading on that line. Yeah. They get a distress call from a Kobliad transport ship called Rehob or Reab. And it's losing life support.

They need help. There's a big emergency. And then we cut over to this Kobliad transport ship. and Kiran Bashir beamboard and I just say they beam aboard and all this smoke and they start yelling at each other. Their first lines

they're screaming and I'm like there's no noise here why are you yelling you're two inches apart maybe they had no chemistry at this point maybe that's why they didn't like each other no that's not it Robbie that's funny though maybe Paul Lynch was going a little deaf and he needed to hear better

into video village. But for me, also, this, Robbie, this kind of harkens to when I talk about Voyager being on the bridge in the very first season, not knowing my volume. Like, we're in the midst of a firefight or something.

Am I yelling the stuff back to Janeway? I didn't know. And I think they were also in that same kind of a tense drama situation. It was tense, there's smoke. Right, there's smoke. And Paul may have said to them, like, this is urgent, emergency,

lots of energy. And they may have imagined that they were going to put in a lot of sounds. Exactly. Maybe Paul said to them there's going to be sound effects, so you have to be ladder in post, and then they never got around to put it in. Yeah. So they're just standing two inches apart screaming.

Yeah, they were. Yeah. Anyway, Kira goes off to see what's up, and then Bashir sees a woman lying on the floor. Julie Caitlin Brown. A very tall woman, by the way. Very, very tall. Yeah, she seems very tall.

Is she taller than. Terry Farrell? I think it's about comparable. Probably identical, right? Terry's like six feet, right? Yes, and so is JCB. I thought JCB might be six foot one possibly, but okay. Well, he finds this very tall JCB on the ground.

Unconscious? Unconscious, and then she's kind of delirious a little bit. Yeah, okay, yeah. And then he scans, yeah, she's groggy. He scans and he detects another life sign behind this locked door. Mm-hmm. And she says, no, don't go in there. Don't, don't, don't open the door.

But he's, you know, he's a super doctor, as we've just heard in the previous scene. He's got special gifts. So, no, he's like a puppy. He's just, he doesn't know. He's just going to explore. There you go. He opens it anyway. He goes to help.

There's a man on the floor in there. We don't know who these people are yet. Forgive me, not a man, a male. A male. A man is a human. That's true. Yes. A male alien.

played by James Harper with a wonderful agent. That's what we find on the floor. And he went through four years of Juilliard to lay it on the floor. To lay on the ground. I'm looking at the script right now. He has one line. He does.

Make me live. Yes. That's it. And then it says he dies. See, that's why he stretched it out. I felt like he was like, make me. Like he wanted to stretch that line.

Milk that line for as long as he could. God bless Juilliard training. So Bashir's down on his knees and he grabs him by the throat. He grabs him, you know, like violently grabbed him. Violently, like choking him almost and holding him and he leans up, make me live. But then he falls back and dies. And the whole time, JCP is stressed out. She's like, no, don't touch him.

Don't go anywhere near him. And he's like, no, I'm pretty sure he's dead. She's like, no, he's not. He's not. So she's really, really freaked out. So now we're thinking, what is up with this guy? Is he some type of demon? We don't, we don't have, we have no idea.

Alien demon, he, he, or does he re-incarnate somehow? You know, we have no idea. Well, there's the credits next. And then we come to the infirmary after the credits, Cajada wakes up. She says that her name is Todd Cajada. She's a security officer on the ship. And she starts panicking about the prisoner. And Bashir's like, he is dead.

He's dead. She wants to see the body. And he's like, well, you know, you do. need a little rest and she's like now she's only she's very panicking yeah paul lynch opened the scene with bashear sort of standing in this portal almost doing some stuff and the camera sort of revealed kajadha in the background through this portal i thought it was a very pretty shot you'd like that shot yeah i hadn't seen the set photographed from that angle before and it was very pretty yeah yes cool shot on bashear to open the thing we go to the stasis room the morgue basically

right that's the sasis from they're examining the body Kajah is really paranoid that he's not dead she does tell us that he's an evil a brilliant but evil scientist who has killed lots of people to prolong his own life

he's the grab yeah he's the cobbliad Dr. Evil essentially I kept feeling like this is a vampire story a little bit yeah kind of she grabs this knife that looks like a steak through the heart yeah I didn't even

I didn't even make that connection, Robbie, because I was so shocked that JCP stabbed the corpse that I didn't even think about the vampire analogy or parallel. Wow. And do you have the script there in front of you? Is that in the script or did she come up with that? I don't have the original script. I have a transcript from the, you know, just the lines from. Fan probably is what it's from.

It's just so it's just written down all the lines, but it doesn't have the actual. It's like cliff notes. Directions and stuff. Yeah. But yeah, I immediately. started thinking because she's talking about he's not dead it's he's kind of undead i started getting vampire vibes from this whole thing and then when the steak goes through the heart i was like this is a total vampire story i didn't even i didn't get that robbie wow good arman did you get that

no no but this is pre buffy for me so yeah i didn't get any vampire stories yeah if you have been doing buffy what i would immediately gone there i would have when year was buffy again i'm just curious I started in the fourth year of D.S.9. Wow. Yeah. And you are beloved in that role, too. I am beloved and dutiful. And dutiful. You're always dutiful. And always dutiful. Yeah. I'm actually not beloved on Buffy. I'm rather despised on Buffy. Really? Oh, okay. As a character as a human being. I hope as a character. Okay, good. But you've signed autographs of photos from that show too, haven't you? Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, So you have fans,

you are beloved with fans, hated by the characters. Yeah. There you go. Okay. Yeah. So Kajada tells Bashir that, you know, this guy is a horrible evil man,

killed lots of people. She stabs him like a vampire. And then tells Bashir, you've got to scan this, her ship for residual anomalous life forms. Like, I guess his spirit or his energy could have, you know, she thinks maybe jumped out,

you know, as he was dying. or something so he's he's found a way to cheat death many times before and she's paranoid about it yeah we go to quarks next i love this flirty scene with cork uh quark is flirting with dax i had i don't think you had with her before that i can recall i think i had actually oh you did but not to this extent i think uh certainly i in the last episode that we worked on you and i and all of us You invited her in. I invited her in.

And there was a flirtation there. There was, there was. There was a sense for me that Quark was always flirting with decks. And they become, you know, poker buddies a little bit later on. Okay. Cards together. No. Oh, I like cards.

I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, the flirting I thought was very, very, very funny. And what is an iced Racta gino? Ice rach to gino. Racta Gino is sort of like a coffee. Yeah, like cappuccino. I like a cappuccino and certainly I think it was coffee. That was what was in the glass.

And then we just iced it. But is there supposed to be a liquor in there too or no? Probably. Yeah, it's like an Irish, Irish cappuccino or something. Exactly. Okay. I'm going to order that next time I go to Starbucks. I'm going to order a Ractagino.

Yeah. They're going to look at you like, no, I'm sorry, sir. Give them a big tip when they give it to you. No, they're going to say, sir, I also love Deep Space Nine, but we don't have Racta Gino here and you're going to be like, oh, okay. I have a question in this scene, Armin, you actually, you hear the pronunciation of Jadzia as Jadzia.

Like that is almost a different pronunciation. Was that teeth related or was that, am I just having hearing problems, maybe? If it was there and I don't remember, it certainly was tooth. Yeah, I would think it was tea. God, that must be so frustrating. I could hear you struggling with the teeth in this episode

more than I'd heard in any of the previous episodes. Yeah. It reminded me of Ethan Phillips on our show because Ethan had... He had to deal with teeth too, but not to the extent that you guys had. You guys had way more, you know, edges and things protruding out in different directions. And all of your teeth are different, right? Your teeth, gnags teeth, they were all going everywhere in different directions and everyone had issues. Were they sharp?

Did it ever, like, kind of pinch you or cut you? The teeth were sharp, absolutely. And I did cut myself every now and then, but I learned to not do that. The real problematic teeth, I think were wrongs, were Max's. Not so much for him, but he had to kiss Chase, who played Lolita all the time. I always felt, oh, my God, that must be sticking into her lips. So, yeah, they were problematic. And perhaps the teeth got better for Ethan Phillips because Michael realized this was a problem

on the Ferengi, and he wasn't going to have that with Ethan's character. That makes sense. So with the three of you, do you think all of you, Max, and also Aaron, did you feel that after his time that you found the shortcuts of how to deal with it and it was natural? Yeah, yeah. And I think, I mentioned before that I wore fix-a-d-d-dent, and I think that came later. I think I realized fix-a-dent was the solution, and I started to put fix-a-dent on the teeth

so that they wouldn't slip out. Okay. So there were scenes that happened when you were talking, where any of you were talking and your teeth flew out. Did that happen? No. No, that's very nice to, Garrett, but it didn't. It didn't happen.

They would just come down. They would slip. That happened to Ethan. His teeth would fly out sometimes if he got really animated. Yeah. Well, even likes to talk. So it may be that's funny. I'm a tiny bit quieter.

Yes. Here's one thing I noticed. So Quark and Odo are arguing Odo's like, you don't stand a chance. There's no way. And Quark is like, you know, yes, I do. She's clearly infatuated. And there's a POV shot where we see Dax and behind them as a table with some people gambling. Did you notice one of the background players there looked like Captain Kirk from the original series,

had the same color shirt, had the hair kind of buffoon. I don't know if that was intentional or just accidental that some background person looked like Kirk. I didn't notice that. I will have to take another look at that. that next time I look at this episode. Yeah, it looks like old school Kirk behind Dax and that POV shot. To me, I didn't know if that was intentional or just accidental, but it caught my attention. It may have been intentional.

You know what I'm saying? It may have been. Wow. I didn't even think about that too. Good one, Robbie. They continue to argue a bit. Odo does mention this deridium shipment because Quark's talking about, you know, it's good to want things. It's good to desire

things. Another example of aliens talking about human qualities. Yes, it's specifically about Odo who doesn't seem to want anything. But

it's also about humans. And that's the lovely thing about All-Star Trek is that you can use aliens to talk about human values. True. And we talked about this before at a previous episode where Odo has a great speech about he doesn't understand this human effort to constantly acquire things. You know, he's he's got his bucket. That's all he needs. But in this

conversation, Odo does mention this deridium shipment. And Quark plays innocent. He's like, what? A deridium shipment? I didn't know there's a deridium shipment coming. And Odo's very suspicious. He says he's watching him. But I could see in that scene a bit of what Odo was seeing. Like, Quirk suspicious. Yeah, I gave away too much. I'm really upset with myself. I gave away too much. Yes.

I had to learn to do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gave away too much. It should have been a little bit more subtle. And it's great for the character, absolutely, but it's bad acting. I was fine with your performance there. I know you were very critical of yourself right now. And I'm going to say that it was effective and you made the story move forward.

I think it was good to know that. there should be some suspicion on Quirk at this point. I don't think that's a bad thing. So if you showed your hand a little bit... I think at this point in time, thank you for all the compliments. Thank you very much. But at this point in time,

I think the audience should assume that Quark is going to be nefarious, that he's going to be sneaky. So I don't have to remind them. So that's what I think it's a little too much. Okay, got you. That makes sense. Less is more.

Less is more. When Odo mentions this deridium shipment, though, we put over to this deuterium. Sorry, guy. Deridium, right? Yes, deridium. Deuterium is what we need. Jetsia, Jetsia.

Yeah, we need Deuterium on Voyager. They need deridium on DS9. Yes, thank you. But when he mentioned, Odo mentions this deridium, we cut over to this Starfleak guy who we've never seen before, whose head turns, he's very, very, you know,

aware of, yeah, very blonde. And I will say, and I'm probably going to mention this a lot, this actor, fine actor, I don't have any problem with his acting, but he had like an old school cowboy accent. He sounded like Roy Rogers or somebody. And every time he was chiming in in this episode, in the middle of everyone else speaking in this kind of neutral speech or a slightly classical kind of bent. Yes. Then he'd come in with his lines of interesting. technique. Do you always get ready for an important operation by leaking word about it to the local black market? Come on, partners. It just felt like, and it was not, I don't think, I think he was a,

he was just being himself. All right. But casting wise, I was like, it just, it pops out of me. I just want to say one thing. And I want to say that that guy, um, you made the reference, you made the comment, Robbie, about how in that one shot, you could see the guy gambling in the background that looked like original Kirk. Kirk, right? Okay. Now, interestingly enough, this guy comes in, this character, Lieutenant George Primmon, and Kirk's father is George Kirk.

So it was sort of like, wait a minute. This is kind of a lot of. There's another parallel. Yeah, like this guy looks like he could have been Kirk's father. Okay. Because the way they played him in the movie recently with the one that J.J. Abrams did was a blonde father. basically of Captain Kirk. And he was Lieutenant George Kirk, from what I recall.

The question is, was Captain Kirk's father a cowboy? Yes, I think. If he was a cowboy, then this is him. This is him. I'm going to call him Primmon, aka Roy Rogers for now. Roy Rogers. Okay. I literally laughed out loud sometimes when his accent popped out.

Yeah. It's true. Anyway, Primin runs out to the promen. He introduces himself to Odo and a little walk-and-talk. He says he's from Starfleet. He is security. He says he's traveled three weeks to get here, and he really wants to talk to Odo. Yeah.

But we didn't talk about this, but in the bar before they leave, he kind of offends him in a way. You know, Primon does to Odo where he tries to says, well, what are you doing? And Odo's like, don't talk to me about how I run my business. And that's when they run out. Sorry. Yeah. No, no, no, you're right. And then it even gets escalated a little more because Primon, aka Rory,

he cuts odo off he literally they're walking and he kind of puts his hand up and stops oh don't touch odo i was like whoa dude no you need to back off roy rogers remove that hand roy anyway yeah they don't they clearly they're not getting along no they could have played those stakes even higher i think you know it would have been how did uh arman how did rene like do you remember In this episode, I see Odo's ego a lot. Right. That's right. Yeah.

Was that something that you ever talked to Renee about? Like, Odo's ego is probably not the right word exactly. We talked a lot about Renee's ego behind his back. But, no, Renee had a very good sense of himself, which he deserved, which he deserved, which he deserved. deserved. Obviously, the writers had noticed that even early on, and they wanted to play with it. God bless them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they leaned into it in this episode. And as we said before, he has no possessions. The only thing Odo is really concerned about is law and orders is keeping peace on the station. And that means everything to him. So anyone, anywhere of trespassing on

that is going to ruffle his feathers. I have a question Armin. Why did, why was the makeup on Renee the way it was? Because as a shapeshifter, if he can replicate a painting, a chair perfectly, why can't he replicate

a perfect human or Bajoran or Ferengi face? Why? Or a Renee Arborgenois face. Yes. Why couldn't he have just gone in his regular face? Why? There was a reason and I'm sorry to say I've totally forgotten what it is, but I do remember remember, they do, they did discuss that somewhere. Whether it was on camera or off camera,

I don't remember. But there is a reason. And by the way, it's Obergenois. Obergenois. Obergenois. Obergenois. What did I say? Abergenois. We go to Ops next. The team's discussing Vantica's death. The data that Kajada has provided them seems to show that it's his body. He didn't fake his death. It's his fingerprints. all that kind of stuff. We also learned in the scene that they need deridium. These species, these aliens,

need deridium desperately to survive. And it's very scarce. To live. Yes, to live, to survive. They need this deridium. I keep wanting to say Deuterium as well, Gary. Yes.

And every time you say her name, Julie Caitlin Brown's character's name, all I can hear is Horchata, the rice, the Mexican rice drink. So I cannot get that out of my head every time you say Kajada, I hear horchata. Hachata. Hachata.

Maybe that's where they got the name. Maybe they did. Michael Piller was sipping Hortchata and he's like, Oh, Kajada, and that's how it happened. I have a question for Robbie. I love the way Paul Lynch shot this around the table. All the characters were around the circular table for one of a better term.

Yeah. And I know, I've never done it myself, but I know that that's difficult to do. Tell us why, Robbie, why it's difficult to shoot around a table. It's a round table. Yeah, the reason that it's hard, one of the main reasons, is screen direction is very important in editing the close-ups and editing the looks between characters, that when you cut from someone who's looking to one side of the camera, you cut the other person and they should be looking, yeah, if one person's looking right to left, the other should be looking left to right, or it's going to feel like they're not looking at each other. yeah they're both looking to the wrong way or so yeah what happens in a round table is now you've got to shoot a million different eyelines to get depending on how the dialogue lays out you know avery might be looking to camera right for one person but then he needs to look camera

left to the to the next line and so now he's got two close-ups but maybe he's got to look across the table now he's got a third close up for the proper so it's a headache it sounds like a headache There's a big volume. I thought Paul got it perfectly. I thought that it looked absolutely flawless, and I was very impressed with that. He didn't overcover. I noticed that as well, because at one point, Cajada turned and looked at someone, and it was a little profiling on her, but I thought that it was just one line that she had in that direction.

He didn't need to go shoot that side just for that one line. So, yeah, he was, yeah, he did. did great. It was very well done. Is this the scene where Roy Rogers is standing up? He's the only one that doesn't have a seat? No. This is that another scene? This is when he walks in. Yeah, it's later. This is when he's the only one that doesn't have a seat. This is when he walks in to meet with Cisco for the first time, right? And Cisco has called him over to his office for a meeting. At the end of this scene. At the end of the scene, he comes in the very end. At the beginning, they're all around the table. But Primm is not there yet. Primmons not there at all, though. Oh, that's right. Yeah. This is the scene

where he appears off camera, right? He walks in a scene at the end of the scene going like, and then Cisco goes, oh, I wanted to talk to you about this and let's go into my office. And then they go into Cisco's office and it's Cisco prim. I was going to say something about that. So they had shot this screen direction in one direction. The lift was behind the camera. Right.

And at the point where her perimeter comes in, I started to hear a noise. I was like, what is that noise behind Cisco? Oh, the lift. Okay. And then Cisco calls off camera, oh, I'm glad you're here. come with me, and he just walked into the frame. And personally, that was the only moment in the coverage where the noise confused me until until Cisco says, oh, there's somebody over there. I wish there had been one shot.

You would have filmed one shot of him coming up in the left, correct? Yeah, I think so, because the noise was disconcerting. From Cisco's perspective, though, from his right to left or left to right, right? Yeah, okay. And I assure you that noise was probably tampered down or tamped down because it was always noise to the elevator was just incredibly noisy. Wow. I think they added the noise. I think the actor was

probably just standing off camera and they added the noise in post to sound like a ship noise. Yeah. But in that moment, I just didn't know where the noise was coming from. It was confusing. Yeah. Yeah, I would have had a shot to locate that noise so the audience

knows why there's a noise. That makes sense. Yeah, but he brings him in his office and Primon is very critical of Odo in that scene. He starts talking crap about Odo to Cisco. And Cisco gets really heated. He gets hot. He defends Odo here.

And he tells this Roy Rogers guy that Starfleet are guests on this Bajoran ship. And maybe he could learn something from Odo. So work with Odo, work with a constable to learn about this Kobliot pilot. and the plan to hijack this Deuterium? No. Deuterium. Derrhythm. Derrhythm.

Yes, deridium. Who's going to hijack. So work with Odo. Roy Rogers, you need to work with Odo. Figure this out. So he goes to Odo's office and Primit enters and basically apologizes. Right. So before this, we have an exterior space shot of the station.

And as he's about to show. Primmin, his security plans, because Odo's kind of, Odo actually is a little lighter here. He's, he's kind of, I feel like he's a little, you know, offended that this guy's here in his space, but then he's like, I'm going to work with this guy, right? So he's like, okay, I'll show you my plans, but I've already done everything. I've already done. Because Primman's trying to suggest things, and Odo's like, I've done that, I've done that. Fine, I'll show you my plans.

And as he brings it up on his computer, it's, it has malfunctioned. And he calls Kira in ops and she also verifies, yeah, nothing. Everything in active memory has been accessed and purged. gone. So this is a big problem, huge, huge problem. And then it's funny because Kajada or Horchata just appears out of the blue. She walks into his office just at this moment. That's exactly what, that's exactly what he did before. Vantica did in Rijal 7. And it was like, was she eavesdropping? Like, well, how did she? It was a little confusing there for me. Like, that's almost like the lift for you in the prior scene. Then this is how I felt about this one.

Yeah, it was a little convenient that she happened to have that last line or whatever. She was tall in that shot, though. Oh, my God. But if they had a shot of her like eavesdropping on the side, that would have been great too, right? Right before that, maybe. I don't know. Armand, did you guys have a lot of like computer playback or was it always burn in? Like, did you see things on screens?

No, actors never saw things on screens. I'm sure in Video Village, they must have had video play. But not computer playback, video playback. Like when Odo's looking at his computer monitor and it comes up and it says... Oh, did we see things on the screen? No, of course. Never. Never did, right?

Yeah. They were starting to bring some video screens onto our bridge and occasionally, but it was very rare. Usually it was just we had to imagine it. In ops, you guys had video though, right? Like things running like in loops and stuff on the, like readouts and stuff where people were operating. scared. Again, I spent so little time on ops. I can't tell you what's happening. Yeah, you were in quarks the whole time pretty much. Yeah. Did you ever take command of the show? I'm jumping at in the last episode. Hey, you just spoiled it. No, not the last episode in season seven.

Oh, the prior episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. He did. Remember he came in? Yeah, you were there. That's true. Yeah, you were kind of in charge. That's right. Yeah. Did that happen? Did, no, no, they were, they didn't let me on option after that i would have left orange fingerprints all over the that's funny that is funny yeah so kajada comes in says the exact same thing he did on ragel seven and bum bum we go to commercial back in the old days we went to commercial now we just have a pause yeah we come back into ops and the team is there trying to figure out if vantica is alive somehow this is the scene. This is the scene where it's Cisco

Kiro, Odo, Bashir, Dax. Everybody's there. In the background. And Primmons like Roy Rogers is standing up by himself. Yeah. It was weird, yes. I'm sure it was about saving time. I'm sure it was. It was about, you know,

we don't have to do coverage for him if we can just get a two shot of the three of them together. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But Kajada thinks he's alive in the scene and that he's somehow found a way to access their security files. Yeah. on the Doridium shipment.

So she thinks this is definitely Vantica that did this. That's why all the memory of the data is. Doesn't she talk about the tech that he uses here, some type of shunt or whatever? Isn't this the scene? I think so. Okay. I'm just going to skip ahead a little about comments

I'm going to make at the end of this episode. Why is no one, no one believing her? I don't know. Yeah. They keep looking at every other angle. You know. Yeah. if if is it because is it because this is a particular pet peeve of mine yes is it because she's an

alien is it because she's not humanoid or she is humanoid but not humanoid enough uh is that why or because they're so sure that eventica is dead that that they just don't trust her even though she's had 20 years of experience with this guy such a i think is a very very important point about this episode is that no one is listening to the expert no i wonder in this scene though because i thought the same thing watching it and i thought it's interesting because here you've got kajada who's security you've got roy rogers who's also security security and odo is really yeah and this is the episode in kind of a b story way where odo's like trying to draw some boundaries and me and have some status.

And so he's got all these security people. Maybe it was a challenge to his, you know, his authority. Which is all he has is his authority. That's the only thing that he's proud of that he collects is his authority. And so challenges to his authority run deep road. Yeah. And there was, she was security as well. So that occurred to me in the middle of, because I thought the same thing.

Why aren't they believing her? But maybe there's a bit of pushback of like, let's go down Odo's path because he's the guy that we should be listening to, maybe. They should not have said that she spent the last 20 years hunting him because then you're thinking that they have to believe her. She's the expert on this. If they say, you know, if they omitted that information, then maybe it's believable that she's the person that was assigned to this case a year ago. You know, then you're okay. And the rabbit hole that I went down or we may call it at Jeffries too. Let's say that.

The rabbit hole that I went down was, oh, she's Vandika. That she's actually Vanica, and we're going to find that out at the end of the episode that she's the one they're all looking for. And she's convinced them that the dead person, the dead alien, is Vandika winning. In fact, that's what I thought at this moment in the episode. Yeah, and it does sort of lead towards that as the scenes progress that this is the, And the characters in this episode feel that too. Oh, it might be her.

We can't let her in on. We're going to lock her out of all the security protocols, right? Yeah, they lock her out later on. I will say, I was very proud of myself this episode. The first scene when our Juilliard trained actor had his one line and grabbed the neck. And then we go to credits. When we came back and Bashir was with Kajada and he's leaning over, they had these bruises on his neck.

And I thought, they're not going to put the bruises unless it means something. And I immediately made it on his neck. The bruises on his neck. On Bashir's. On Bashir's neck. And I immediately, I literally paused it and said to Rebecca, that guy who died just went inside Bashir and we're going to find that out later. Oh, so you caught it.

Because of the makeup. Of the makeup. Okay. Because they wouldn't have, they would have just had him grab his neck and forgotten about it if it didn't mean anything. But they had these bruises for a few scenes. I didn't catch that. like i didn't catch like that's why they only did that for story reason i didn't see it at all yeah wow

i did actually in my video reactions make the call i well good for you early on i'm like i'm calling it now i'm sending you a bar of latinum for that thank you thank you i was very proud of myself usually i don't i don't make those calls early on i'm always wrong with this one i was like i think dead on they talk about the dna samples that they sent to starfleet have those come back, Cisco asks. Bashir says, no, not yet, but very soon. And then Odo wants a word with Cisco. Can I talk to you privately?

And they head into his office. And Odo's pissed. He's really, he wants to resign. He basically gives his resignation right there. This is my favorite scene in the entire episode. It's a great scene. Yeah, Cisco, Cisco, really is soft with Odo in this scene. He gets it.

He's very empathetic of why Odo is feeling the way he's feeling. And Cisco reassures him that he needs him. Odo says, I just need some clear jurisdictions here. And Cisco says, okay, in joint operations, you are in charge. And Odo's happy with that. But I agree. And I love the pause, whether that's Avery, whether that's Paul Lynch, whether it's a combination of the two together.

I love the pause as we wait to find out. out who's in charge. Yeah. Operations of this sort, beat, beat, beat, beat, you're in charge. Yeah. Whoever did that.

Yeah. Whoever did that. Lovely. And, you know, time is money on TV. So they knew what they were doing. That's probably why it's my favorite scene. That final line, that little pause.

Now I know. You've broken it down for me, Armin. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it was a great. It was a great scene.

We go to the lab and next in Cisco's, checking on Dax, who I think we've discovered that Dax, I've discovered, that Dax has a symbiont inside her, right? And that symbiont has a brain. And while we're discussing this, let me just remind you, Robbie, Dax is the symbiant. Jadzia is the humanoid. So, yes, Dax has a brain, the symbion has a brain, Jadzia has a brain. That explains why Daxe has to always come up with these super smart scientific answers she's got two brains that's and 300 years of experience that's true and that was always the difficulty for terry i'm sure she's already said this the difficulty was how do you play someone who is 20 something years old

and also someone who's 300 years old that was the difficulty and the writers had sort of box the actress into a box. Yeah. And she was always struggling and did magnificently well to try to play both qualities at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, Cisco comes in to check on Dax. She says there's no anomalous life signs,

but she does say the ship's cargo bay was broken into and she found this small computer chip in Vantica's belongings. It looks like a tiny, like something you put in a digital, little camera now. It looked like a little. Yeah, like a memory card. But I will say, I think this scene was filmed very early in the filming order because of the way she pronounces the name of the villain, Vantica. She says Vantica here. And then it's funny because in an earlier scene in ops, she says Vantica because everyone else has Vantica in there. You see what I'm saying? So I feel like this was with the very first scene film. Oh yeah. They pronounced a Vantica. And then you guys are good.

We try to pay attention. Armand, did you have a pronunciation guide in your script sometimes? We would have that. Yes, yes, absolutely. In the early pages. We said it right, but we tried, yeah. Yeah. Is Human written into the script?

No, that's my choice. You did it. Oh, that's great. Oh, I love you for that. I didn't know you did that. And then everyone followed after you then, right? So, because Nog says Human to, when Jake first introduces himself, I'm Jake, who are you?

He's like, what do you want to know? Human? He says the same thing. So he copied from you then. Wow, that's great. I love it. Yeah, they had that pronunciation guide and they printed in the script, but I would forget to look at it all the time.

I would just make my assumption and, you know, and everybody, our whole cast did. So we would have the same issue of like, wait, how do we say this? So again, referring back to me bringing everybody over to the house to rehearse, we would all decide. We would look at the pronunciation guide and say, okay, this is how we say it, and this is... So you guys would be prepared. I love it.

Unlike me, I'd show up on set, and having memorized it wrong because I didn't look at the thing. Robbie, by the seat of his pants, McNeil. Just got to go with the flow. Those are the best kind of actors. There you go. See? You said Colmini did that.

He'd learn his lines the day. Both Column and Sid would learn their lines at the last minute, at the very last minute. The day of? And did brilliantly. The day of. And makeup and... hair. They may have looked at the lines during makeup, but their makeup was so short. I don't think

there was much time to do that. Now, basically, what they did was between the reading of the scene for the director, which is the first thing you do, and then during the 20 minutes, half hour takes to set up the lights and the cameras and all that stuff, that's when they would memorize the lines. And I never, I never understood how they could do that because it would take me days. They have photograph, they have photographic memories. They have to have photographic memories. They must have. And specifically, Sid, who had tons and tons of medical technology. Oh, I know.

I'm so impressed. I am so impressed with Sid. I did not know that he was doing it that way. Yeah, my goodness. And then if he had spare time, he played video games in his trailer. See, this is, I don't know. Well, that relaxed approach definitely worked in the charm his character had. That's sort of, he was equally relaxed in his performance in a great way.

And absolutely true of Colin. as well. Column, I always, when I watch Cullum, I always think he's just absolutely heard what's just been said to him and he's reacting in kind. And that's a trait we all strive for is to really hear it and respond in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we go to Quarks next. And I didn't know what was happening. This is a, it was like a crane shot or something going up. Yeah. It's, I'm very proud of Paul for doing it. that way. First of all, I believe we start on a shot of two Ferengi, which are not Quark or Ron. The reason I'm bringing this up is that one of the two Ferengi is a man named David

Levinson. David Levinson was my stand-in from day one until the very last day. He was enormously instrumental for me because David was always there when the camera angles and the movements were being worked out during the 20 minutes that we go off to memorize our lines. And I would always come on to set and say to David, what do I have to know about what the camera's going to do? And he would tell me, the writers rewarded him and a couple others towards the end of the final season. They gave those characters names.

Oh, I love it. And in the case of David, they gave him lines as well. Oh, good. That's great. So that character years later will be called Broich. Broick, yeah. And the fact that he did all that homework for you when you came on, that was awesome, very, very kind of help.

tag team he would i'm sure you did it with your standings as well uh but david would would tell me exactly what they were going to do so it wouldn't be a surprise and i could concentrate on hitting my marks and david was uh oh just a sweet sweet man and is a sweet man um and it's an actor he's not just a background person yeah and uh i have great honor love and respect for david i love that Robbie, did you get that from your stand-in? I mean, every now and then I would. But I would say that's like once in a blue moon, I would get the 4-1-1,

the information on what I needed from my stand-in. And I had multiple stand-ins. It wasn't to one that lasted the entire time. I probably had four in the seven years. Yeah, I had maybe three, I think, during the run of it. Yeah, I would get sometimes it was very inconsistent, but I've noticed over the years being a director and other things and having been an actor that the best stand-in,

are like what you described. They're the ones that pay attention. They pass on the important information to the actors when they come. First team comes for rehearsal and filming. It just saves everybody time. And it's the right person to tell you because if the camera operator tells you or the props guy starts coming and telling you, you've got too many directors.

But a stand-in sharing that information from the perspective of an actor is the appropriate way to get that information. Right. And we were, we were all bonded. All the Ferengi, including David, were bonded because of the makeup that we had to wear. He didn't have much to say, but he had to get into the same makeup as Max and I and Aaron had to get into. So we were very tight-hit family. Wow.

Yeah, it just sounds like you're very, very fortunate to have David as your stand-in. Very, very much. He did a great job. That's great. Absolutely. Okay. So this shot, yeah, starts on the two Ferengis by the bar, looking up, and then the camera goes up, up. up up to the second floor.

I want to talk about that too, actually. Yeah. One of the beauties of Quarks Bar is that it has three levels. Now, most directors always just use the bottom level where the bar was and the dobb tables. Right. But there were these two other levels. Right. That were purposely constructed to be used so that you would have these multiple levels to shoot from.

Yeah. Yeah. And God bless Paul Lynch for. realizing, I don't have to just shoot from the floor level. I can shoot from somewhere else. And so looking down on David and the other actor, I thought was really very good and very creative on his part. I thought you were creative to pop your head out of the thing.

When you popped your head through the railings, that was very creative and funny. Hard to do with those big ears. Yeah, that's true. You have to navigate that. I do have a question about the levels. So the bottom level has the tables, the bar, the level directly above the bottom level, is that where the hollow suites are located or the next? Yes, exactly.

It is, that's where the hollow suites are located. Okay. And the third level, we never, ever got to the third level in the seven years. But there's a third level. And we rarely, rarely got to the second level. Well, didn't you guys get to the third level here? Because that's where she falls from? She falls from that third level in the sea.

You're absolutely right. But she falls from there. The only person who's ever been up there is Julie. And what the hell was she doing up there? But yeah, yeah, Julie's the only person that I know that ever went up to that third level. And I wasn't aware of it. No, too late. I wasn't aware of that third level until this episode.

Right. I knew that there was a second floor. Yeah. I didn't know there was the third floor until that that POV shot. I would try and get a background shot on one. one of our podcasts that has all three levels. Okay. That'd be great.

Yeah. Well, so it's very funny because we first find Quark on his hands and knees. But we don't know what's going on in this scene. We don't know what's not praying. He's not praying. I thought this was like a dangerous situation. I don't know what the circumstances were.

And then you realize he's looking for change. He's looking for any lost valuables that people had left because now this makes his bottom line, you know, better. And he's mad because he finds a couple of, you know, loose chains or whatever, and he's yelling at the Ferengi's, the minions down below the workers. Ferengi, there's no ass. Oh, Ferengi. Yes.

Ferengi down below, the two of them, he's really angry at them and tells them to leave. Get out of here. And then all the profit will go to him. So, and it's the beloved entrepreneur. It all goes to anyway. It all goes to quark. Yeah. There's also a mystery.

figure in this scene. Isn't there? Isn't this where this is that? Yes. This is where after the two underlings leave, that's when the hand comes around and grabs quark and pulls him back in the shadows. And this is the scene where I knew that it was Bashir because I froze the damn. I froze it as yet. There's that moment where his face comes into view. I'm like, oh, it's Sid. And am I right to say that It was Sid there, Armand, that was behind you? I don't remember. I imagine it was Sid. Okay.

I thought I caught that too. Because the voice quality is also not James Harper's voice either. So I was like, wait a minute. This is somebody else. And then if you and then when I froze it on Sid's face, then I said, okay, and I replayed it, the voice quality was definitely Sid putting an affectation to it. Yeah.

A sort of evil guy. Like, you know, like a horror slasher movie voice, you know, that he gave. I do remember whoever it was, it probably was, Sid, Billy did choke me. What? Really? And I... You asked for that?

You did not? I didn't ask for it, but I didn't complain about it either. You didn't complain about it because I'm a method actor. You used it, didn't you? And I used it. Oh, I love it. So you weren't angry afterwards. You were like, oh, I wasn't.

Thanks. Thanks for choking. I was wondering about the choking because it looked real. It's hard. Yeah, it looked real. and also because that foam is so thick that the actor doing the choking to you, it's not a normal kind of stage combat feeling.

You don't get the same feedback. What are you talking about the foam? What are you talking about the foam? It's just a pop top, though. Here on the neck, there was no foam. Right, so there's a lot of backs, but no foam. But up here, you couldn't feel any of that, right? No, no.

But it was pulling my head. It was pulling my head back. Oh, I see. And I don't have much of Nick to work with. So this part here was the joking part. And that did have its problems. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine.

This mystery figure with the black gloves grabs him. He asks about the deal that they had for court to help hire some mercenaries, some criminals, bad guys to help him with this. Deuterium, what's that called again? Now I forgot. Deridium. Deridium. Okay.

Now, yeah, I'm never going to get that. this right anymore but he asked about the bad guys and quirk says well i thought you were dead the rumor was the word that i got was that you were dead yes and he says not quite and that's when he leaves and you see that quick flash you had a sliver of his face yeah it's said that's where i was happy because i called it and i was like that's sid do you think that was the best take and they had other takes where his face didn't go in and they're like dang it we got to use this one and they just maybe maybe also nowadays you can freeze your, you know, streaming better than the computers could back then.

Right, correct. That's the other thing I was going to say. Yeah, the streaming is so, the technology is so that it's so much better. Yes. Even the editors didn't have the capability that we have on our streaming surface. Because, Armand, I think I talked about this on our show. When we premiered, I was shadowing directors immediately. I went in first season and started sitting with the, the editors. And they used on Star Trek back then a system called the montage system. It was not

the avid. It was not nonlinear editing. What it was was a giant room with three quarter inch videotapes of all the dailies, multiple copies. And they had a computer, but it was literally playing all of these banks of tapes. And so you'd do the edit and then you'd hit, okay, playback and you'd wait. And you could hear in the other room. all these machines lining up to play back the edit in an analog fashion with these machines in another room. It was crazy. It was crazy.

So much equipment. So slow. You know, you try some edits and then you go, okay, let's take a look at it. Hit it. Now you're waiting 30, 40, maybe a minute. Isn't that crazy? So I don't think my point is, I don't think they even sauce it in that shot. Because there's no way with all the.

videotapes. That's crazy. They didn't catch it. But then they didn't see it back then. They didn't have high death back then. They didn't have any of that stuff. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. Well, thank you for enlightening us on that one. How did we get things done back then? Yes. It's amazing. The first movie, well, I did a movie and we had Ann Coates was our editor on the movie. And it was at Culver Studios or layered studios they were known as back then. And I went up to watch Anne Coates who won an Academy Award.

award she won an oscar for lawrence of arabia and she was cutting this film and i wanted to get to know her and watch her cut but it was film she had film hanging yeah those strips up up on the second floor and i remember going in there with the the movie olor or whatever it was called the the flatbed where they'd cut film it was how did they get it done i don't know it was so it's so labor intensive it's ridiculous it really is just like what yeah yeah we are in the infirmary. Bashir's finishing treating this crewman who pulled a muscle or something. Next time, lift with your back straight and use the anti-gravity generator. That would be nice. I'd love to have that. Can we develop that, Robbie, a Delta Flyers anti-gravity generator that we sell in the store?

Yeah, so we don't have to lift heavy things. We'll have our own shop. Even groceries. Even just carrying groceries. I'd like a little help there, please. Yes. But yeah, he helps out that crew. And then Kajada arrives and he says that he tried calling her last night, but she says that she has trouble sleeping and she used this alpha wave inducer, which he warns her, be careful with those alpha wave inducers. But this was a moment where I felt like we were trying to lean into Kajada didn't answer his call. She's the suspect.

Yes. So it's a little intentional there. Forced. Yeah. Yeah. Bashir does tell her that the results came back, the DNA results. and it definitely is Vantica. It's not a clone.

It's not a copy of him. Vantica. You just said it the weird way. I said it the Terry Farrell. The Tika Masala way, the East Indian food way. Vantica. Terry Farrell. Terry did it.

Derridium. Derridia. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, he says this is Vantica. And she is not convinced. She's still.

No. Armand, as you said, why aren't we listening to her? Yeah, we should listen to her. She's a smart one. And then, Dax calls and she needs some medical advice, so he has off to the lab. I expected him to go down and flirt with her because that's all he does. When they're in scene, when he's in a scene with Dax, he's super flirt.

But he gets there. Dax has this hypothesis that she basically says, you know, the body dies, but the consciousness might live on. And she explains it that we don't use, we only use 4% of our brains or something like There's all this other space in there. So maybe Vantica somehow put his consciousness in that unused part of someone's brain. This is her, this is her theory. And this is an absolutely understandable theory from Jadzia because that's her life.

Jadzia and Dax share a single brain. They have thoughts, but they mingle together. in one brain. So yes, it's a perfectly natural thing for Jadzia slash Dax to say. Yeah, I didn't think, I didn't make that connection, but you're right. It's an experience she's had, so it's not a big leap for her. I didn't. Is that, well, I have to stop for a second.

They share the body, but they each, doesn't the, didn't we learn just recently in the last, in the episode, that, yes, that they have separate. They have a symbiont has a brain itself, too. There's a brain in the symbioniont and a brain in Jazeera. They share thoughts. But they share the thoughts. Yes. There you go.

So it would be like Vantica. There's a separate consciousness for Vantica. There's whoever the host is. But they're sharing thoughts. Yes. Yeah. Like us, they're constantly on a Zoom call. Exactly.

Sharing thoughts. Exactly. Dax and Bajir both think, well, if that's what happened, he's jumped in somebody's brain, it's got to be Kajada. Right. We go to the commander's office next. They're sharing this idea with Cisco. but Cisco can't understand why Cajada would insist that Vantica's alive because that would call attention to herself.

So why is she insisting, you know, if she was hiding him, she wouldn't be insisting this idea so heavily. And Bashir says, well, maybe she's not even aware, which is so, you know, yeah, all of these little things because I felt like I knew where it was going. I was like, oh, Bashir is he's literally saying. the experience he's having, he's not aware that he's got this consciousness in him. Bashir says it's like a stow away on a ship. And Odo suggests more personnel to follow Kajada, but Roy Rogers, or Primon, says that they can't spare anybody, that they're tapped out.

They've got everybody dealing with this deridium shipment. Yes. So they decide just to set some kind of computer alert that if Kajada goes near there, that it will alert them and Odo says you know what also leave her out of the security plan just block her out of all the systems

block her out of our whole security yeah and send her to me if she asked why and we hard cut to Odo's security office yeah she's pissed yeah and she says I'm the only one who knows Vantica

yeah I feel like she could have been even more you know to help sell yeah I wouldn't her to be even high, even more, the stakes being, yeah, just because, because then you're, I want people to put doubt, put the doubt in their minds that it is her, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you're thinking, oh, wait, maybe it isn't her. Like, that's, that's what you want to kind of fool the audience, I think. So, it would be nice. I liked when she says, what kind of fool are you? And Odo's response is, my own special variety. Yes, it was a great comeback.

It's a great comeback. It's a great comeback. And he landed that, that, you know, kind of joke. that he landed it perfectly. That's the line I feel like she should have been higher. I'm more staky. Like, what kind of fool?

You know what I'm saying? It wasn't too casual. It was like, what kind of fool are you? It was too casual to me. I should have been higher. That's all. Well,

she is cut out of this plan. She shares her suspicions of quark with Odo in the scene. And Odo says, I'm keeping an eye on him. I always have my eye on him, which I thought was funny. That's a running thing.

It's because we're a bromance. That's why. Yeah, you're. That's why he's got his eye on me. I just picture him pulling a glass eye out and just sticking it right on top of you like Velcro onto your head. Exactly.

Or he just morphs. I got my eye on you, quark. He morphs into just an eyeball. An eyeball and he just lands on top of your ear. He sticks right into the socket of your ear right there. Exactly. He actually was very protective of Quark in that there's a moment where he's very protective.

So don't mess with my friends. Yes. for which I was very appreciated. That was nice. Finally. She says something like, well, what about that for Engy Quark?

You know, very accusatory. Yeah. And he says, what about him? Yeah, he's defending you a bit there. But it's interesting because she is right.

Like, Quark is, he's on the wrong side of this story. Yeah, he's absolutely on the wrong side of this story. I'm, I don't understand why he isn't put away for a couple episodes in jail for what he's done on this episode.

That's true. This was wrong. what he's done he these people need deridium in order to survive yeah and he is jeopardizing entire planet's welfare it it is wrong it is totally wrong yeah they give him a little out later on another scene but but it's not much of anything he should have been punished not this was always the problem on deep space nine if cork does anything like this why isn't he being punished yeah yeah yeah i thought that by the end of this episode I thought, boy, he really got away with this.

And they know it. They all knew his involvement. So how did that? And at this point, they don't need a community leader anymore. So it was a problem that they got around in future episodes where they just stopped having me do nefarious things. Like this kind of thing. This is bad. You're right.

Well, we go to Quarks Cafe next. And he's meeting these criminals, these mercenaries. we learned that he's used he's worked with these guys before they argue over money and details and their past history a bit and that's when we cut up to cajada in the third level i think she maybe she's in the yeah she's coming down from the third level in the scene yeah sneaking in to eavesdrop and then she slips off there's no way there's no way to get to that third level unless you start on the exactly you can't get there's no door up there right a separate door there's no doors up there. Right. So how she snuck

by all of us, who knows? Yes, but it's science fiction. As someone once said to me, Armand, it's science fiction. Isn't it referred to later? Maybe she beamed in there. Maybe she be Oh, no, no, you're right. Site to site transport. That's possible. But is it also referred to later that she was pushed, correct? That's what she said. Yeah, that she was, it was inferred that. Yeah, she had to be pushed. Yeah, she had the railing was perfectly solid the last time I looked at.

Right. So it was said that, it was sorry, it was Bashir slash. Yes. Vantico that pushed her. Yes. Yes. Okay. Exactly. But we don't see it. No, we see nothing.

They don't see it. Right. So they think she slipped or something. Right. Yeah. So we hear her and then we cut to what they see and she's hanging on to the railing there. Yeah. Hanging on for a minute, a beat and then she falls.

And we don't know if she's alive or dead, you know, in this. Another crane shot, by the way, I noticed if Paul Lynch ordered used the budget for crane this day, he used it in quarks a few times quite a few times so it was a nice that's how it used to work they'd say you get one day you can have the crane that's how much we got in the budget yeah pick your day yeah shoot everything that day and that's it moving on yeah yeah i'm very appreciative of of those screenshots because it it gave more depth to the bar oh huge it just made it a much more interesting place to look at agreed 100 percent uh we go to the infirmary besheers treating kajada horchata horchata horchata he he says we got we have to keep her unconscious until she heals and this is the scene where i didn't know if that's bishir talking or

if it's vantica like yeah i think it was keep her unconscious a little bit of both maybe possibly yeah cisco and odo uh question quark in this scene and he says he knows nothing about how she fell and he resents the inference that he was doing anything wrong. He gets very indignant. Yeah. Yeah, thoughts about that. Only that better there for my acting, from my point of view,

was that I didn't overdo. It's just enough to know that he's lying. And we know that he wasn't alone. We know that seeing as believing. And but at the same time, I walked that thin line, I think, just about right. Yeah, I thought this. As opposed to the previous scene.

If I were, if I were Bashir or Cisco in the scene and heard you say what you said, the way you said it, I would think you're telling the truth. I mean, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't suspect immediately that that's a lie, yeah. I'm happy to hear Armin explain to us that this is a direction that the writers kind of veered away from Cork in terms of they didn't keep him doing so many nefarious. really bad. Yeah, and it's like, thank God, because it was very, for me, uncomfortable to watch those scenes with, because I know Armin, right? That's part of it too.

But I don't, I didn't want court to become that person. And now that I know that he's going to be. And the side effect, thank you for that, Gary. But the side effect is, then it makes Cisco look and Odo, to some extent, Kira, idiots, that they can't catch him or that they do know and they're looking the other way. It makes them. less than noble. And I think that was a problem.

They've never said it. The writers have never said that to me. But I think they must have realized that. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Just make them, you know, don't think of them as the Keystone cops.

We're going to make sure that they are a little bit more, you know, able and not silly, right? So that's good. I love that. Well, it's interesting, Armand, like, you know, you're talking about the first season adjustments and, you know, having Quark doing these, you know. Things he should get in trouble for and not getting trouble. And then changing course, they did that with my character. Yes, they did.

Tom Paris. He was, he was not a very heroic guy early on. They, they, they thought, oh, we'll just make him this womanizer, and that'll be his, his, you know, sandboxed the plan. It was not appealing. And it was not, it was not heroic. He didn't feel, yeah, I don't know why Jane would keep him on the team, if he's, if he's untrustworthy so they realized that too and started to rewrite that character so yeah it's a nice spice to have but but you can't go down that road continually because it makes everybody as a said

look bad yeah yeah agreed yeah we go to the stasis room next this is basically where dacks with her two brains she saves the day she finds a microscopic generator under vantica's fingernails she's kind of scraping cSI style yeah uh she she says that this generator was something he kept in it under his nails as a kind of an emergency way out and it would send encoded message messages along the glial cells uh i guess this completely this is completely made up or is this real no i think this is real are actually okay that's a real deal all right the glial cells of someone's nervous system and he could transfer it with this little generator thing keeping it ready to go, and transfer it to them with a touch, I guess, which he did with Bashir.

He grabbed his neck, transfer it into the glial cells, and then it would get to his brain, and that's how he would move his consciousness into that parking space. They know they can confirm all of this with a glial scan. So, yeah, Cisco says, as soon as Bashir stabilizes her, let's do that glial scan. So, Dax saves the day. I will say when she pulls up the microscopic thing, that little generator that she scraped under the fingernail,

it literally looks like a generator. It didn't look sci-fi at all. It looked like an old diesel generator. Like an old school generator outside of your house? A little mini generator under the fingernails. Did you laugh, Ravi? I did. I know you did.

They don't want the audience to be confused. That's a generator. That's a generator. We're going to. Okay, good. Good, and Curry found one in this house and just brought it. Dan Curry, yes, Dan Curry's home generator. That's what it was.

You're right. We go to the corridor next where Kira's giving explicit orders on this preparations for this deridium shipment arrival. Odo shows up, ask where's prim? I thought he was with you. And she goes, no, I haven't seen him at all. So now Odo's pissed because Roy Rogers isn't where he said. was going to be. I also love the two extras that were in that scene. Like, they get, she's

saying all this stuff to them and they can't say a word. They're just like, just nodding away, you know, and the other guy pops his head in. They're also doing maybe the best close talking I've ever seen on Star Trek. She's up in one guy's face and the other guy pops his head into the French. All three

of them. It's like a three-way close talk. You're right. Dupor-duper close talk. Too close. We go to another corridor, quark is leading these criminals to the runabout to meet vantica and that's where the cop out comes oh yeah i'm not going with you i'm not part of you i'm just the middleman yeah that's the cop out that's right right yeah i'll get you right up here to the you know to the to the to the door but you guys go do this

yeah by the way one of your henchmen one of your mercenaries as he was walking behind you he either looked like johnny dep from pirates of the penzance he literally had like with a headband And the headband and the blousey kind of shirt. And I was like, that's a, he's a Pirates of the Caribbean. Why is there a pirate there? It was either a pirate or it was, what's his name, Vansant. Huh? It was the rocker guy that, I can't think of his name.

Was he in Springsteen's band? It was, he looked like either a rocker or Pirates of the Caribbean. I can't tell you. David Lee Roth? No. No, there's another one. You're talking about a rocker that wore a headband? Yeah, that wore like a scarf over.

his head and kind of blousey shirts. My grandmother did that. She was Russian. She wore a scarf. Robbibuska. Rob me, the lead singer of poison, I think, is what you're just trying to say. Could be that guy. It could be any rocker from the 80s.

With a blousey kind of poofy thing. The blousey shirt and the scarf over the head. Which reminds me that shirt from Seinfeld, too. Yeah. He looked very fashionable. Yes, I will say. Harmon, very fashionable. Okay.

But the door opens. He's going to let them in to go do the thing and we see a reaction on quark face he doesn't expect he's looking for vantica and instead it's it's bishir bishir is there no it's not bishanthica it's bachantica yes it's bachanthica thank you very good very good bachanthaca he says he's been expecting them in a very creepy so creepy enunciated oh my god yeah voice teacher would have been very proud oh wow yes It was everything was and he just he paused between every word and it was what was like the guy who died in the first scene the Julia guy who took all the time between the words he was doing the same thing so Sid just impersonated him that was perfect yeah good job sit we go to the infirmary next so shocking Bashir is there cork is shocked we go to the infirmary decks comes in looking for Bashir he's not around no she asked the computer to locate him it says uh the The computer says he should be right there in the infirmary.

And she looks around, sees his com badge. You know what? This is already in the first few episodes, there's more com badge leaving in DS9 than Voyager ever had. People just tossing their com badges away. Just like nobody does that. They've used this bit a couple, like two or three times already this season. Uh-huh. Yeah, the writers were, this was their bit.

This is their thing. This is the theme. Let's just leave a comm badge to, so we can. Yeah. I guess because you're on a space station. It's not like when stories are written on a starship and an alien ship and they could be multiple places. This is just one big station where you can't get away. So the easiest way is leave your com badge.

That's one way to look at it. Maybe. Yeah. It's like leaving your Apple phone somewhere so that the cops can't trace you. Yes. Find my phone. Turn off. Find my iPhone.

Find my iPhone. Find my com badge. That's the app they all use there. The app, Sirfleet app, yes. I'm surprised Quark didn't have a collection of com badges. You can impersonate anybody. That's true. Now, Armand, I'm just imaging, I'm just imagining, like, you know how a lockpicker

will have that little, that little leather case? They open up and they have the different tools they use. Oh, yeah, the tools. You open it up and it just, you could just display all the different com badges that are inside this little thing that you could use. I've got a medical comm badge. Yeah, got them all. Command com badge.

I got a security com badge. all of them. There you go. Yeah. That's the scene that's missing, by the way. That is the thing. See, we're already coming up with it right now. We're being very efficient in our podcasting. Okay. Odo finds Roy Rogers, aka Prim. Odo's mad. Prim explains that he used Odo's logic. He used Odo's very own way of thinking. No, Vantica's logic, right? Oh, Odo's logic. He's like I used your thinking, your logic. Yeah. I found a non-essential system that they might use to get into the main security, he found the water or the waste reclamation system had a crossover shunt that could have shut down their whole system

for an hour. So somebody had put this shunt there, which is what they used before. She talked about that. But yeah, this shunt in the waste reclamation system could have shut down the whole system again for at least an hour. and that would have been long enough for them to grab the freighter and escape. And not only that, but no one could have used the toilets for everybody. Exactly.

That would have been a disaster. Did your show ever talk about waste reclamation? No. Not really. And I'm quite sure TNG never did either. We didn't even have a toilet. We got into the basics on our show. Good for you.

We did. I love it. I love that. I've always had a theory that the replicators, you know, when they create or organic consumables that they've had to have some material to create that new organic thing in the replicator, your tomato soup or whatever it is, it comes out of recycled poop, basically. Robbie says, I think so. This is my theory.

Okay. So when you're eating something and you say, this stuff tastes like shit, you know exactly that it does. Thank you. Exactly. Yes. I'm going to, I don't like when Robbie has this theory. If you go to cork. You go to Quarks, you order a burger or something, and you complain about it.

Quark can be like, I didn't make that shit, you know. That's not my pet. That's that, that's Cisco shit. That's not my shit. That's not my shit. That's not my shit. Yeah, but Odo and Prim basically prevent the whole system from shutting down for an hour. Yeah.

So we cut out to space. We see the wormhole kind of open up and this big freighter ship comes through the wormhole. So there's the deridium. Arriving. Bravo, bravo. Thank you. I'll try. I pause before I say it every time.

What is that? Is that a Starfleet vessel? Because inside they had Starfleet sort of Elkhars displays. Yeah, it did look like Starfleet vessel. That looked like a Star Wars vessel coming through there in the way it was designed. Because you don't see anything like that. You know what I'm saying? It's a freighter.

It's a freighter. But again, it looked like a Star Wars freighter and not a Star Trek freighter. I was Tom Paris, the pilot who. piloted freighters for a long time until I went to the marquee and then I got to jail and then Janeway got me. So I know freighters. You know freighters.

Yeah, in fact, I flew that model of freighter. That configuration? I didn't know. Is that Jonathan Freighters? Never mind. Jonathan Freeders. Our good friend, Jonathan Freeders. And Quarks, I always order the burger with freighter tots.

On the side. Stop it, please. Let's get back on topic. Thank you. As the years go by, I will do more and more puns, I promise. Good. That's what we want. We want you be the pun master when people to know you as the pun master. All right.

All right. The ship, so the freighter tots comes through the wormhole and we cut to ops. The teams preparing for this freighter to dock. Odo gives them the good news that Primmon has stopped the computer shutdown. So he found the shunt. And then suddenly, Kira sees that this runabout is leaving DS9 to head to the freighter. Yes. Everybody's confused.

The Rio Grande is heading out to the freighter. Why? We don't know. Nobody knows. Dax arrives. She says Bashir's missing. Cisco says, computer who authorized this or a runabout? And the computer says Bashir.

So, bum, bum, bum. We go to the bridge of the freighter. Yes. And lo and behold, who's sitting at the bridge? Danger. Danger. Our stunt coordinator with a wig on. because he had long hair, he had a wig on,

and a nice close-up shot. We never see his face like that. No, right? It was like, what? We knew it was him. I was so surprised when I saw that shot. Oh my God, it's dangerous. Dennis, Danger Madelone.

Yes, our good friend, we love him. Danger was the head of the stunt coordinators. That's right. On our show and perhaps yours as well. But Danger was part of the family. Yeah, yeah. Dennis Madelon would run between our, you know, the DSM.

S-9 set to make sure the stunts were going well there, and then he would run across the street to us when we started filming. Yep, he was a busy, busy guy when Voyager started season three of DS9, right? So at one point, it was concurrent. Both of us were running. So he had a lot of work to do, for sure. And a great guy, really good guy. Great guy, watching Dennis at the pilot's chair of this freighter.

Yes, what did you think? As I've said, I did pilot this style freighter myself. He did. But I watched Dennis, he had this look like either he was confused or mad at the panel. I couldn't tell. He was acting a lot. I thought his button pushing needed a little bit of help, a little bit of guidance. He was angry at the buttons.

Yeah. Danger less is more. It was a lot of acting. Come on, Dennis. And as soon as I saw him there, I'm like, there's going to be a fight. There's going to be a fight. There's going to be a fight. That has to be a fight.

Or a stunt, that has to be a stunt. Someone's going to get blown back into a bulkhead. We already knew that the minute we saw him. And that's what happened. The mercenaries appear. They beam in, the criminals that Quarkers working with. They beam in and they shoot all three of the crew. Do you think they stunned them or do you think they killed them?

They killed them. And when it's safe, Bashir calls over. Is it safe? And yes, he beams over. Bashir beams over. Vantica Bashir. Or what did you call him? I said Bashantica.

Bashantica. Okay. Bichanica beams over, evil, Sid, and he takes the captain's seat. Just as they're preparing to leave, DS9 locks onto them with a tractor beam. And this is where he realizes his plan went awry. Yes. The station didn't shut down. Why?

Oh, no. He orders impulse, though, and his minion, Dirk, I think, is the name. Yeah, Dirk. Yeah. He's like, well, it's not. going to work we're not going to go anywhere he does engage impulse and there he's kind of stuck there vantica ends up talking to cisco and they play a game of chicken there and vantica basically says i'm going to take this ship to warp which will tear everything up right yeah cisco says you're going to

destroy the entire freighter and everyone will die but um what did you call them again banshanica Bashantica. Bashir, but then you go Bichanthica. Before you go to Bichanthaca. Bichan, no ear, like Armin, big ear and quark, right? Bichshantica. Bichanthaca.

Bichanika says you've got one minute, and he goes to sit back down. So he's not playing around. Yeah. Is this where Dirk freaks out? And Dirk's like, hey, I didn't sign up. I didn't sign up for this man. Dirk is free. I like Dirk.

I was expecting a rebellion right then. Yes, that Dirk would lead the rebellion. Well, it's going to come. It's going to come because, you know, Cisco and Cisco tries to figure out a way to, you know, another way to try to find a solution. They can't beam over. They can't let the derridium leak into, you know, the space. Space, yes. And Dax, again, Dax the two-brained, symbient lady.

Dax says she may have a way to disrupt his control over. They can bring Bashir back into the dominant personality. She says that she has an exact model of Vantica's neural energy patterns. So if she could get an electromagnetic impulse to disrupt the patterns, then Bashir may emerge. But they've got to figure out a way to get it there. Cisco says, we'll run it along this tractor beam. Very sci-fi solution. If they could send it along the tractor beam, then it could kind of resonate inside the ship

and this EM field could transfer what Dax is trying to send over. So Cisco says, okay, I'm going to stall a little longer. Yeah, put them on the view screen. Yeah, put them on the view screen. Couldn't they have just shown a commercial? I mean, they could have. But it's they could. This is Act 4.

There are five or whatever. It's the part of the show where, you know. It's coming quickly. Come on, folks. We're getting towards the head. Yeah, there's always a clock. There's always a clock. We've only got 18 minutes to.

The ship explodes. Yeah, Cisco's trying to delay him, but Vantica gets suspicious. He doesn't buy it. And so he says to Durg, ready the warp engines? Yeah, Dirk is going to warp. You're crazy. I don't want to do this. He stands up.

He refuses. He gets shot by Bichentica. Bichanthica just kills him right there. Right there. That I knew was a death ray. I knew that that phaser was on kill. That one. Yeah.

And this is Quark's fault, by the way. I just want to blame it. That's right. That's right. I'm 100% behind that. You really, yeah, you end up getting your buddy dirt killed. Lock him up. Lock him up.

People died over this event. So, okay. That's right. Yeah. This isn't about finding coins on the floor. This is about death. This is like, yeah, this is a big deal. Cisco stalls a little more.

He says, okay, we're going to release you. but he's still faking it and Dax is finally ready and Cisco says do it we cut to space we see this tractor beam but it's got like it's got pulses

yeah there's other stuff in this beam yeah and this is this is Dax's invention or suggestion what we're doing here yes she's a smarty

she is she is but I love I love Cid's reaction to these beams hitting him he's just like yeah he really he really

he went 100% into that He did. Complete, complete, you know, I'm going to dive into the deep end of the pool. Yes. So I loved it. Maybe he took a mask class from Renee. He was doing sort of mask work in his body. Or maybe he'd been watching interactive games and he learned how to do it for much.

Yeah, it was the video games. The gaming in his trailer helped him create Bichantica reacting to that pulse going through his head. Okay. Yeah. But he does after a lot of big, dramatic, painful acting. But here comes out. But here comes out. and he doesn't know where he's at and he has to press the just go yeah just go

lower the shields that's the whole thing over the shields just press the shields press the shields he presses the button they energize him out and I loved how when he beamed into he was like he was in that same position yeah because they didn't we didn't do that we don't always do that in Star Trek you're in this position and then suddenly you're beinged in and you're just standing straight straight up so that was good. It's realistic. Yeah. The only thing I thought when he did beam in is, remember when he was turning back into Bashir, he put his hands in his hair and his hair was kind of wild. Oh, you wanted his hair to be wilded when he came in, yes? Yeah, when he came in, it was. Okay. So the continuity wasn't there. I hear you. Not quite. Not as, yeah. But Cisco's got to stun him because

Vantica's still in there. So Cisco stuns him. Well, there's that moment where he isn't in there. Because he's like, he's like, and then Cisco sees that, that Bishantica is coming back out. And then that's when he stuns him. Stuns him, falls down. We go to the stasis room. Dax has figured out a program to use the transporter to isolate these gleeial cells, the Vantica's glial cells. She can beam, basically beam these cells out of Bashir and into this little petri dish kind of thing. And she beams it out.

And she hits the button. we see the beaming happening and then they cut to a close-up of this petri dish thing and do you remember those candies that came on a piece of paper that were like little dots oh yeah it looked like a couple of those candies in that little petri dish that's vantica that was all that was left in vandiga was like two little candies stuck in the in the petri dish that's what i got from that scene okay yeah but but they're separated forgive me i'm old enough to remember some episodes of not episode but a movie of Superman where where the villains got put into

sort of a petri dish as well I thought oh that's pretty much the same thing Oh yeah the it was Yes I know what you're talking about that was that's right That's right first Superman yes Yeah well Bashir is back He wakes up he says I have the worst headache Go to the infirmary

Kajada feels really bad Bashar apologizes for not believing her Kajada feels bad that you know He went through all this. And Cisco asks what she plans to do with the prisoner or the petri dish with two little candies. And she says, do I have possession of the prisoner now? And he says, yes. She pulls on her weapon, blows it up, fires at it, destroys, vaporizes the whole thing.

And then she's done. The vampire is vanquished. We have beaten him. Interesting. With the help of Roy Rogers. And you could say the light from the third. Vazer was the light of daylight on Vantica, Bichentica. Well, not Bichan.

I do think there was a vampire metaphor in this story. Because Vantica begins with V and vampire begins with V. I just, there's a lot of vampire. That's very good. Vampiritica. I don't know. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm stretching a little. No, I think you're on to something.

You are, you are Robbie Dobby. Come on now. All right. Okay. There you go. that's the episode my theme my lesson what is your lesson yes what is your lesson yes my lesson out of this was our minds have way more potential than we realize and that potential can be used for good

or bad okay so the mind that our mind our brain bashear's brain had room in there for evil just be aware of that that's my lesson i didn't like my lesson beforehand But now I changed it because in the midst of our recording this, I have a new lesson. And it's really about what Armand, I think Armine was talking about earlier, he brought it up how no one listened to Horchata. Nobody listened to her at all. Listen to the experts. No, but yeah, exactly. That's it.

That's the lesson. Just listen to the experts. The people that are, that have PhDs in whatever it may be, listen to them. They are experts for a reason. And Armin, what is your lesson or moral from this? Well, Garrett spoke everything that I wanted to say. Absolutely. And the only thing that I would add to that is in addition to listening,

sometimes we have to forego our egos. We have to get over what that we think we're the center of the universe and that we know everything. We should listen, as you said, Garrett, to other people. I love it. And that's certainly what was happening to Odo, to everyone. That they were so caught up in their own egos that they couldn't hear. what other people were saying.

Agreed. The next episode is Move Along Home, it looks like. A beloved episode. Also, it sounds a little Roy Rogers-ish. Move along home, little doggy, moving along home. I love having a cowboy in space. There you go.

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