The Delta Flyers - The Q and the Grey

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is The Q and the Grey. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.The Q and the Grey:Q returns to Voyager with the announcement that he's chosen Capt. Janeway to be the mother of his child.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, PJ Tomas, Nicholaus Russell, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, and ArianaAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Elaine Ferguson, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, John Espinosa, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, James Cottrell, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Liz Lowe, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Justin Weir, Simon Inman, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matthew Osborne-Graham, Michelle Maroney, Rickard Fahlander, and Meg Johnson Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a Patreon at patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers. Well, hello, sir. How are you? I'm doing good. Good eye. Good eye, Robbie. If I'm going to say hello in an Aussie accent. You moved. You're now in Utah. I did. I'm in my new studio, home studio, I guess you'd call it, sort of set up here, but it's very echoey right now. I'm going to have to work on that. Yeah, yeah. So it's the best I could do for today's recording. We just moved in this week, but we will continue to refine the acoustics. Yes. Of this room. of that room. Yeah, when it's an empty room, definitely you can hear the echo. But as you start furnishing it, I'm sure that the audio will improve. Yes. Yeah. So the move was uneventful, right? I mean, no. The move was uneventful. No, it's, I would say, you know, we came down from eight months up in Vancouver. I've been working up there. We've been living in downtown Vancouver in a big city. And then we moved into this house that we had bought last August very quickly. And we'd only seen it a few times and bought the house and then went to Canada.

So when we got here, I wasn't sure what to expect, honestly. I was like, I hope we didn't make a mistake. It's better than my memory. Like, honestly, I am so happy. Sweet. With our decision. So, yeah, it's great. That's awesome.

Okay. I mean, better than your memory is better than what you could hope for, right? Yeah. That's good. How far are you from like city? because I know you're kind of out in the boonies, right? Yeah, it's pretty rural out here. We're probably just under an hour from Salt Lake, about 20 minutes or less to Park City, Utah.

So to go to the closest grocery store, is that in Park City? No. Oh, there's one 10 minutes from you. Oh, yeah, yeah. We're just up on the, we're up on the side of a mountain, but there's a couple grocery stores. There's a Walmart. There's everything we need. Okay.

10, 12 minutes from here. I thought you had to drive 40 minutes to an. hour to get to a Walmart. No. No, no, no. Man, that that's not good. No. It feels like the thing I love about my new home and I'm so grateful for is, by the way, I went out and did like a two-hour hike this morning with Walter up in the mountains. Oh my gosh. Because there's trails right outside of my house, right on my street. That's awesome. 400 acres of trails right behind my house. You don't need to drive to hike. It's right there. It's right there. It's great mountain biking. It's snowshoeing in the winter. Yeah, I'm a very, very lucky, very excited, very grateful person for this new house.

Now, how does your dog like, how does Walter like that hike? Is he, is he happy, excited? He loves the hike. He loves going up on the mountain. We're having a, there's no fence in our, in our house, so we're having kind of a dog fence installed in the back so he can run around our property. Yeah. Just run free. Yeah. Because he's a runner for sure. And you need to make it high enough because he's big enough. He can jump, you know, certain fences. So oh, yeah. Be careful with that. You don't want that. All right on. Well, congratulations on the move. I can't wait to see your new pad. Thank you. When it happens. This week's episode is the Q and the Grey. So Robbie and I are going to go

watch this episode and come back and give you our thoughts on that for all of you, Patreon patrons. Please stay tuned for your bonus material. Hey, guys, Robbie and I are back from watching The Q and the Grey. Yes, we are. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. I was with it for the whole ride. It was very silly.

Oh, good. Some good thoughts in there. And I thought it was, yeah, I had a great time. Okay. Story by Sean Pillar, tell a play by Ken Biller. That's kind of funny. Sean Pillar, Ken Biller. Yeah, you know what's interesting.

So, so I was, I was, after I watched it, made my notes and everything, I kind of did, I was waiting for you because you always take twice as long as me. I do. And I started doing a little Googling and realized that this, this story was Sean Pillar, but so was Death Wish, if you recall, the Q episode. Oh, right, yes. Right? That was Sean Pillar. And I'm not sure how much of this story was actually Sean Pillar or maybe Ken Biller used some. of the story elements of the Q who wanted to die, which is the thing that instigated this civil

war in the continuum. And so Sean may have gotten more credit than maybe he really deserved isn't the right word, but like it's based on death wish more than this story was very much, it sounds like, from when I read around the internet, it sounds like Ken Biller's story mostly, and that Sean may not have had as much to do with this, but it was based on the Q backstory of Death Wish and the Q who wanted to commit suicide and all of that. So I just think it's interesting. I also thought, sorry, I'm going to ramble for a minute about Sean Pillar. Yeah. So Sean was Michael Pillar's adopted son. He was not his biological son. Correct. And they talked about, they've talked about this and Michael did and when he was live and Sean

did, has as well. You know, Sean was adopted and very much Michael was his father figure, but Michael was not Sean's biological father. And I thought it was interesting. Some of the story elements in this episode about parenting about, you know, Janeway talking to Q about you can't just have a baby and then, and then it's done. Like if you want to pass on your value. and who you are what matters to you you've got to be involved as a parent yeah and janeway

was talking to you about that and i thought oh that's interesting coming from a sean pillar story because his biological father was not around but michael was around and so who passed on the values that he had it was michael passed those on to sean so correct yeah i thought it was some interesting backstory to to where this story came from and uh yeah And, yeah, Ken Biller's involvement, and Sean Pillar's involvement. Right. But if you are correct about Biller, Ken Biller, being the main drive of this story, of this teleplague, at least, and that Sean Pillar is getting credit because he basically had Death Wish, right. Then that would be, then the dialogue in terms of the passing on is really just coincidental at that point.

You know, that's Ken's, Ken's. Or it's Ken's interpretation of Sean's situation. Of Sean's situation, maybe, I don't know. I don't know, all of that came to mind as I listened to it. And sort of knowing the lineage of this story, you know, all the players involved. Yeah, and as far as I know, I mean, Sean, when, when Sean Pillar was adopted officially by Michael Pillar, I think he was very young, you know. I mean, really, I think so, too. when when Michael married Sean's mother, he basically, you know, he got the whole package, right?

So you marry, you marry a woman who has children from a prior marriage, you get the whole package, which is basically what happened with Michael and Sean. And Sean really, Sean really, for all intents and purposes, followed in the footsteps of his father, you know, of Michael. Of his Michael, yeah, exactly. Of his adopted father in terms of writing, producing television shows and other content for film and television. So, you know, it's really, there's no blood relation, but that's definitely his son, you know, if you look at it that way. Okay, what is your haiku? Your haiku synopsis. Here we go.

My haiku synopsis, again, I'm going to give, you know, some combo credit to Rebecca. McNeil for her contributions to the poetry of the Delta Flyers. Here we go. Yeah. Here we go. The haiku. Q wants a baby. Janeway already has three.

Double Q ends war. Because, you know, she has salamian. baby's with me. Q wants a baby. Janeway already has three. Double Q ends one. Wait, were there three salamander? Bam, bam.

Were there three? I thought they were two babies. No, there were three. It was three. Okay. I think when you get the toy, you only get two, but when in the movie,

in the episode, there were three. Pretty sure. That would mess up my whole kai kaku. Yeah, that would mess you up your haiku. It's three. Okay, is it three? All right. Yeah.

You're probably right. You know, Q wants to have a baby with Janeway And it's like, wait a minute She's already had a couple babies Yeah, my limerick, here we go My limerick for Q in the gray Civil War breaks out amongst the Q The request to mate is met with you

An offer is brought But Q is caught Janeway saved by the Voyager crew Oh no Nice. That's a good one. Did you like that one? I like that one. Anytime you can get ew.

You in there. Yeah. No, it was funny. It was clever. The rhymes worked. You captured the whole plot. Very, very well done. You, thank you.

You didn't reference my three salamander babies. I didn't. And I didn't reference football either. So that's a good thing. No, thank God. Thank God. You can leave my babies out if you don't, if you just leave football out.

Okay, good. Good. All righty. Let's dig right in. we start with the scene on the bridge where we're all viewing the supernova explosion. Supernova explosion. And by the way,

I remember filming the scene. And Marvin Rush, the DP, yes, because he had brought out a super big light. I don't remember what it was, but if you see those shots on the bridge, it gets really bright. And he brought out the special light

and it was hot. And because I was down in front, in the front row, I remember feeling the heat of that light. It was really quite hot. Maybe you got burned. I did. I got light burned.

You got light burned. He got light burned. Supernova crispy. And this is a record. This is a record. There are only two other crews in Starfleet history that have viewed this. But neither of the crews were as close as the Voyager crew in proximity to this supernova explosion. We were less than 10 billion kilometers, which is a really.

record, evidently. Evidently it is. Yeah, I do love how we we're all standing there and we're just doing this polite golf clap sort of while watching this. It was it was adorable. Yeah. And this is the scene where Robert Picardo

has the famous line where he says, remember Cass. Yes. Anyone can stargaze on the bridge. Yes. But the real action is in sickbay. Right. And this is the one I joke. This is the one I do all the time. Oh, and then Beltran does it as well. He does. He copies me. So I started doing, you know,

whenever someone wants me to do an impersonation at a convention of the doctor. This is the line I use. But I quote it incorrectly. You do. Because his line, yes, I left out one part. And the other thing that I noticed is I give it more jege when I do it. And the doctor is uncharacteristically kind of sedate in his delivery. Like he's really low key. He's sort of, He's sort of like, he's like, just remember, Kess, anybody can stargaze on the bridge, even a hologram with a mobile emitter. But the re-election will always be in sickbay. He does it that way.

And the way I did it. Even less than what you did. Yes, I do it. Right. I don't say the mobile middle. I go, just remember Kess, anybody can stargaze on the bridge. But the real action happens in sick bay. So I do more.

There's more flair. I doge it, but I don't put the even a hologram with a mobile emitter. I don't have that because I never remembered that. I only remembered, but the real election. action happens in sickbay um and it doesn't happen it says the real action will always be in sick bay so um my memory is a little faulty so thank god the delta flyers is happening thank god for this podcast and correcting these correcting these these these fallacies that for years have been perpetuated you know perpetuate this is a great example of you and i were both there yeah but you have for for 20 years

now yeah you have quoted you have quoted a different version of this and thank God for the Delta Flyers correcting history keeping it real thank you um okay so yeah so Janeway goes to her quarters and she opened and she's she's tired and she's like you get to rest and she opens the door and there is a giant heart-shaped bed with satin sheets and heart-shaped pillows her first line is computer intruder alert which I love um Hey, before you continue, did you notice that Janeway has another hair clip, a metallic hair clip in her hair? Yeah, because we talked about she had in Futures End, even Brandon Braga brought that up about how he's like, hey, do you notice that like that hair clip that Janeway's

wearing? Because she has a triangular brass or, you know, gold looking hair clip in Futures End. but then now in this episode it's like a double triangular silver colored hair clip so all of a sudden Janeway is wearing, you know, sporting all these hair clips now that she never did before. Hair is clearly a big, a big challenge for Star Trek. Hair is. Like hair is always, you watch all of the characters, even you and I notice with our basic. Our hair. I could not have a more basic hair coat.

and yet it's constantly like whoa it's kind of poofy whoa it's too short it's yeah it's long for harry in this episode i noticed it is a bit long hair is a hair is a little full and i do remember tom's is kind of crew cutty yeah it's crew cutty but i remember that that i remember the hair department kept letting it they'd let it go i asked them i said can we go longer can we not be a short you know for this this season or whatever and i remember they let me grow it out a little bit more. But then, as you'll see in successive seasons, it gets hacked off again, back to the shorter, yeah, look. All right. So back to the fluffy bed and the set and she's. Basically, Que wants to have a baby with Janeway. Yeah. And, you know, he's in a robe. He looks like, you know, a poor man's Hugh

Hefner. It's very funny. Always hilarious. And it's funny how she hides it from Chikote. She's on the calm with him And she's just telling him Oh my gosh, I had a visit from Q And, you know, Chikote Obviously is curious. He's like, what? Yeah, he's jealous.

All right. But then she said, but then if you think about it, she would have said if Janeway had no feelings for Chiquet. Yeah. She would not, she would have said Q showed up and he's trying to have a baby. But she says he has a personal request.

So she sort of like, you know, She's trying to protect him. Exactly. I agree. There's a mutual attraction there. Yeah. For sure. For sure.

And he's jealous totally. Yes. Yes. And so they're in Janeway's quarters. And Chiquet, you know, says it really bothers the hell out of him that Q made this request to mate. And while they're, or is that actually the ready room? Excuse me. I think we're probably in the ready room at that point when he's, yeah.

Yeah, when he's saying when Q pops in and does the bigger face tattoo thing, is that in the ready room or the quarters? I'm trying to remember. That is in her ready room. That's in her office. Yeah, it's in her office, right. A giant face tattoo, yes, he goes, mine is bigger than is. Awkward moment. Awkward.

Very awkward moment. My goodness thing. And I'm wondering, that was definitely Michael Westmore probably painting that massive tattoo. Oh, yeah. I would think so. Right. I would think so. Yeah. Then we go to the resort themed hologram. Yeah. The Tollaxian resort that which was a talaxian resort and there's Tom Harrison, Harry Kim, and they're, they're doing their crew evaluations. And getting a massage. We're getting a massage. It's really tough. It looks nice. It's hard, hard work doing these crew evaluation. Can I, can I stop you one second? Yeah, yeah. Is, are you sure this isn't the same? scene where you had on the

ladies sort of velvety negligee? Are you sure this wasn't the scene? Maybe. Because look at you, okay, you've got that really dumpy looking t-shirt on, okay? And I've got, I've got the little tank top thing on. So I'm thinking, maybe this was the day. Maybe this was the scene.

Tossed down that that negligee that they gave you. And I was like, look what they want me to wear. Yes. Yeah, you might be right. You might be right. This might be the day. Yeah. It was definitely at that resort, for sure. we only did a couple of scenes you know we only did a handful of scenes there

on stage 16 that's where they built the resort and you yeah and I'm on your side with that that definitely was so anti what Tom Paris would wear I mean Tom Paris would never select a velvet top black velvet top with the thin satin straps that come over I mean come on

I mean I honestly thought that it was a it was candid camera it was an episode of candid camera someone's going to pop out and go, just kidding, Robbie, that's not your real wardrobe. This is your real wardrobe. That's what I thought it was. I mean, it was so not what Tom would wear. Well, I can't believe Q came in and he just stole our girls.

He just, our massages. He did. He stole our massages. And I thought it was very adorable that Harry and Tom were both very protective of Janeway. Yes, we were. We were very protective and telling Q, like, he was. was asking questions. He wanted some insight into, you know, Janeway and how he could convince her to have babies. Yeah. And we were like, stay away from her. And we leave. And the Neelix is

protective too. He goes to Neelix. Neelix is kind of combative with Q and like leave her alone. And I thought it was amazing when Q reaches over and pulls out a hair of Neelix's beard. It's like, why? Are you doing that? Why would you do that? he's a bully and then he calls he caught but well before this whole interaction remember he calls uh neelix bar rodent do you remember that he's like bar rodent i'll take another one of these and it's like oh boy look at you yeah oh cue cue cue cue cue uh janeway's ready room she's now in the room and she hears a little puppy a little puppy and cue pops in and we realize that he's giving a gift of a little itsy bitty puppy, which kind of looks like the dog that Janeway left behind in the alpha

quadrant with Mark actually, like the younger version of it, right? And then female Q pops in and refers to Janeway as a dog, right? She's like, what are you doing with that dog? Yeah, so what are you doing about that dog? I'm not talking about that puppy. Right before that though, I want to comment on John Delancey has a line where he says something like, I impressed females of every species. And he made this. face that was like he goes for those just listening I'm making a huge over the top exaggerated open mouth oh my god John Delancey's face it reminded me of Alan Tudick on resident alien oh yeah doing those crazy alien over the top reactions I was like oh my God

I've never seen John Delancey make a fit he was like he was like being coy and funny like oh I had all these girlfriends around the universe and he looks at Janeway and makes that face I thought it was hilarious It is funny It's a very funny moment

See this is the only time guys All you aspiring actors out there This is the only time that you can really Facial mug is if you're playing a character like Q If you're playing a Q like character Then you're allowed to do this crazy facial what we call facial mugging And typical

This is typically a trap that beginning actors will fall into where they will, they'll, you know, do all these extra things with their mouth and their eyes and their eyebrows and it's just too much. It's like, you know, when you typically have a conversation to somebody. Typically, it's very, it's way too much. But for Delancey to play a cue, you don't need to do all of them big facial expressions, but that was very funny. You have a perfect opportunity to do it. Yeah, that was funny. So Susie Plaxton, yep, played by Susie Plaxton comes in.

She comes in and plays. She's amazing. She is, she's so good. Oh, my God. And, but then again, Susie's had, Susie's, Susie's had experience on, on Trek. She, um, she basically, she's played a Vulcan before a next gen. Wow. She played a half Klingon, half human, um, female on next gen as well in two different episodes.

And she was also, um, I think an Endorian in Enterprise. So she's played, uh, literally, uh, five different types, four different type of characters on Star Trek. So she did a wonderful job. It was so good. I mean, it's hard to keep up with John Delancey and the legacy of these cues, but she just came right out of the gate super strong and fun and funny attitude. Yeah. Did you see? You probably didn't see, but I posted on the Patreon feed footage that I took of Susie Plaxton singing karaoke. A Star Trek convention, yes. Oh, that's awesome.

I'll have to check that out. You'll have to check that one out, but talented all around for sure. Yeah, we go out on the bridge, Susie Plaxon, the female Q, she walks out on the bridge with us. We realize there have been three supernovas that something's going on. This is Q's fault. And now we're about to feel three simultaneous shockwaves from these supernovas. We need Q to save us. Right.

You know, we basically beg Q, please save it, save us. And John Delancey Q all of a sudden steals Janeway and they disappear off the bridge. Well, he granted her request. She said, she said, get us out of here. And to Q, he met, oh, that means you and me? Sure. And so he snaps his finger. Exactly.

And boom, they are now gone. And now, you know, now we know where they went. Before when we were discussing on the Patreon. Yeah, was it a hologo? We weren't sure where they went, but now we know. And they went to the Q continuum in a Civil War era setting background is what we see. And yeah, they go there and Q says to her that she's experiencing all of this in a way that she can understand. That basically the Civil War thing is just a metaphor for what's going on in the continuum

because she could not possibly really understand the true experience of what the Q's were going through. Correct. And we find out that Q basically explains to Janeway that Quinn, the other Q that passed away in Death Wish, his death sparked basically a revolution led by John Delancey Q, a revolution for individualism and for freedom. And this is how the civil war began. And the civil war itself is what is causing all the supernova explosions. And the only way around. this or to stop this is that Janeway needs to mate with Q to become the mother of peace. That's the proposal. And of course, Janeway's not happy about this. She's not even in the least bit interested in doing this. Q is also injured in this scene and he's bleeding. So this is when we first realize, uh-oh, there's something going on here affecting the Q's.

This inter-Q rivalry or battle is now causing all types of chaos and problems in the continuum, as well as with all the Q. They're experiencing issues. We go back to the bridge. It is now in shambles from the shock waves. Female Q is still there. She is injured as well. We find out later that she tried to jump into the continuum but was injured in the process.

Her powers have been neutralized. there's just problems all around yeah and and i loved by the way just to jump back to when uh delancy is talking to janeway at one point he says he calls chukote chuckles oh that's right i forgot and i was like wait a minute i got to rewind that yeah you just say that it's like oh yeah and chuckles as blah blah blah blah i thought that was very funny that was funny good old that word and also when Kate Mulgrew, the actress off-camera said as a joke that Chacote was Irish, that his name was Chuck O'Tay was what it said. That's right.

Female cues stays on the bridge. She explains to Chacote and the remaining crew that these cues are losing their powers. This battle is, you know, in the continuum is very destructive and very dangerous and is very raging on. And we go back into this sort of antebellum house, the battle rages on. I do remember there's some stunts in there. There's some explosions and, you know, gunfire coming through the glass. So all the glass in that set is made of candy. It's basically sugar. It's not real glass. It's very safe. And they would shoot basically paintballs through the glass. And it would put these holes in the glass. And I remember, I must have been downshadowing. This was Cliff

ball directing, I think. And I remember I wanted to see the effects and the action in the scene because it was on a stage. So they were shooting through the candy glass. They had an explosion of fire when I assume in a Civil War story, a cannonball or something hits. I did notice, though, that there were some sparks from like the light candelabra falls down or something, the chandelier falls down.

And there were some sparks. And I thought, you know, we use sparks. all the time on the ship, but in a period antebellum battle, there sparks come from either metal scraping and creating a spark. Right. Electricity, you know, creating, this is a civil war story. There's no electricity. There's no metal. These are wooden building. Like, it should have been fire and, you know, gunpowdery type explosioners, but instead there was this giant sparks raining down. I just thought we kind of went to our sci-fi effect. Yeah. But it's really should be a civil war effect. It should be something different. So just a little detail. But I thought

that sequence, that battle played kind of cool, considering it was all reflections you saw in the glass, the reflections of like Atlanta burning almost. It was that sort of moment where the continuum is burning. You see that this battle is huge. Just to rewind before the plantation house there was one scene in the conference room so after the bridge they go to the conference room yes and female cue is explaining to chokote and tuvok that the civil war is causing all this you know chaos but i loved her line when she said when she said something to the effect that she was tossed aside by someone five billion years oh yeah so when you talk about you know that that typical cliche the husband left his wife for the younger woman yeah yeah woman 10

years. She's like, five billion years younger. I love that. I love that. That was very funny. Going back, yeah, plantation house. We go to engineering after the, after this mansion battle, we go to engineering. I love this scene. What a great scene. Balana and the female cue. The verbal sparring. The verbal storing is just absolutely amazing. Did she have a name? That's a good question. I don't recall hearing her name. I don't recall it either. is basically performing a complete reconfiguration of the shield array as suggested by female Q. And female Q is a little, you know, impatient. She's basically coming into engineering to ask Boulana if she's done.

You know, are you done yet? Are you done yet? And that is when the verbal sparring begins between Bala and female Q. By the way, I did just look it up. It is credited as Ms. Q. Miss Q, which could be M-I-S-C-U-E, a M-C-U-E, a M-C-U as well. A M-C-U or Miss Q, but there is no name that I can see associated with it. Yes. Yeah, I wouldn't have named her Miss Q.

That's silly. Okay. It should have been something like Gladys. I don't know. So I feel that this was one of the best scenes in terms of, you know, you have, you have, you have Balana who's such a formidable opponent when it comes to verbal or physical sparring

and so she's ready to go and then the humorous line for me is at the very end when Susie Plaxton says I've always liked Klingon females you've got such spunk and the humor or the inside joke is she played exactly what

Balana is half human half Klingon in next generation so for her to say that it's pretty sorry ironic which then reminds me of an audition i just i just self-tapped where i actually have a line where i talk about or i say i'm talking about ipads and i say like you know all this technology is it just seems like star trek to me so i actually had a line that i had to say in a recent audition yes so i thought it was funny yeah so we go to uh tonight in the camp in the woods and uh in the woods and yeah cue is is losing and janeway tells him that how she saved

his life she followed the retreating his you know his compatriots that were retreating and it looked like they were losing we realized that cue cue says that they've they never have sex because janeway suggests why don't you have a baby with uh this woman you clearly there's a history there there's a connection there with miss cue with miss cue and and he says no cue's don't have sex. It's never been done. Yeah. And then she says, Janeway says, well, never been done. Then how are you here? And he says, well, we've always been here. We have always been here. So we don't have sex per se, right? So. But it's interesting

because he says, we don't copulate. But yet he also in that earlier scene implied that he had had all these, you know, romances with all of these women. Yeah. You know, so many women. So it's interesting. like, yeah, the cues are very mysterious that way. Clearly, and clearly he has no idea about how to raise a child. Because he says at one point, he's like, I'm an idea man, okay? I'm an idea man. I'm not here to raise a kid.

Janeway's saying, you've got to, if you want him to have your values, you want him to have your beliefs, you've got to do the hard work. Yeah. So I love that scene, actually. That scene was very well written about parenting, about, you know, responsibility, about male-female relationships. It was just a great, I thought Ken Biller did a great job writing that scene. It's a good scene.

Yeah, good dialogue, for sure. Yeah, great dialogue. So now we head to the bridge, and we have Ms. Q in her normal kind of, how would you describe her personality? Caddy, yes, kind of drama queen. Entitled, sort of. Entitled, yes. Yeah, yeah.

The scene starts with her calling you. Fetal. Yes, the scene starts with her calling you, Helm boy. She says, Helm boy. Yeah. And then it pans over to me. A long, a long close up on you. Holy moly.

I'm going to have to say that is the, yes, that is the most furrowed brow look that I've seen on Tom Paris up until this point of all the episodes you've never, see Tom's, you know, brow area just furrow like that. So that was like very happy. I was very happy with that reaction. You know, come on. I'm funny. I do funny stuff. Okay. That's, I hope to be funny. I think that was funny. Okay. Turn around. I'm like, hey, commander. Yeah. And he's like, yeah. Yeah. He rolls his eyes. That was great. So there's a little bit of, it was a funny. It was a long double take to her calling me Helm Boy.

They were on you forever. That was great. That shot was funny. You were so annoyed. I don't know if I would call it funny. I thought it was cute. I would say that you were annoyed. I don't know you were trying to go for comedic.

Oh, I think I was going for the comedic relief. Were you going for comedic relief at that point? Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. We see this light. We head towards these.

these new coordinates for another event. And that light, I remember that light again. Again. Special light that Marvin Rush ordered. Yeah, we're heading straight towards another star, about to go supernova, according to Harry. And then the female cue is like, oh, no, no, guys, it's okay. You know, I know what's going to happen. And I know how to basically counteract the effects of getting completely loaned to bits.

So she tells Bologna. Thank God. She knows how to do that. And here, Susie Plaqueson, ability to speak techno babble is put on full display and she nails it. She tells Blana to take the warp drive offline, then remodulate the shields to emit a bait to tachyon pulse and prepare to emit a series of focused antiproton beams to the shield bubble. And she says it fast, as fast or faster than I just said it. So I was very impressed by Susie with that. That's great. And that's how

we're sucked in. We're sucked into the continuum after the Star Go supernova. We jump back to the seen. Now we're at the enemy general's tent. Janeway has appeared to offer this truce from Q. DeLancy. Let's just call him Q. DeLancy. And, you know, the general basically tells Janeway that the only way that this can be solved is that Q. DeLancy must be executed. And so must she because she's a contributor. Yeah, if you collaborate. Yeah, that's right. The rules in the continuum, And you're going to be. By the way, I just want to pause for a minute on Harv Presnell who played, Harv Presnell played this cue. Yeah. And, uh, the general. The general. Yeah. Harv Presnell was the original, uh, Daddy Warbucks in Annie, the musical on Broadway. Stop it. Which was my very first

Broadway musical that I ever, Broadway show that I ever saw was Annie back in 1979 or whatever year I saw. 78. I saw Harv Presnell on Broadway in my first Broadway show. And I loved that show and loved his performance. Did you tell him that when we were filming? Yes, I did. When we filmed, I did. I did tell him. I also know Harv Presnell came from the opera. He was very successful. I had a big opera career. And I got to work with Harv Presnell again a few years later on Dawson's Creek. I directed that show. Yeah. And Harv Presnell was on that show. as well. So he has since passed away. Harpresnel was a fantastically talented actor and was so much fun to get to work with him.

He was also, I think from the South, I'd have to look it up. But I feel like when we talked on the Voyager set and I told him about Annie and things like that, and he said, where are you from? I said, Georgia. I feel like he was from Louisiana or Mississippi or something like that. He was another southerner who had sort of headed to New York and the theater and acting career and things like that. So anyway, loved Harv-R-Presnel. Great actor. Great, great to have them on the show.

And that makes sense about the South because I find that you find more unique American names coming from the South, you know, like a name like a Harve, H-A-R-V. You don't, that's not an everyday first name. You know what I'm saying? I mean, so I do find that Southerners by nature tend to have some more unique sounding names that they name their boys. and girls, actually. Okay, now we jump to the,

oh, now we're at the enemy encampment during the daytime. Janeway and Q are being led to the firing squad. So they're being led to the firing squad, and there's one thing that I thought was fascinating, which one. They're set to be executed, and Harv-Presnel says,

ready, and it cuts to a shot of John Delancey, and it snaps-zooms in. So what I mean by that, This is filmmaking talk. It means that you have a shot that's, let's say, composed with a loose close-up. And it all of a sudden snap zooms in really fast, very self-consciously, to a tight close-up. So, Harv-Presnel says, ready, and it snap-zooms on cue. And then back to Harv-Presnel.

Aim, and then it snap-zooms on Janeway. Now, I've got to say that is very... edgy kinds of directing for Star Trek. We did not do that sort of no. Self-conscious, self-aware, visual style.

We didn't do it. It was just off limits. But it stayed in the cut. And I thought that was very bold of Cliff Bull to shoot those shots. And I also started thinking about the context. This was probably 1996.

Like what movies were popular? around it. And I bet you, I haven't even looked it up, but I bet you, Pulp Fiction was around and Quentin Tarantino. Yeah. And he was making movies with those snap zooms, which were kind of dated old things. That's right. That were coming back all of a sudden in the mid late 90s. Quentin Tarantino was making them popular again. And I bet you, Cliff Bull, you know, that was happening in the zeitgeist and he went back to a kind of shot that was not very typical for our show. but was kind of coming back into the vernacular.

Yeah, it definitely stood out when I was watching the utilization of the SnapZoon. It was like, whoa, we don't do that. That's different completely from the norm. I will say that when we were discussing earlier in the bonus content, I was talking about how footage from that day was lost, or not, excuse me, not lost, but overexposed. So there were a couple of canisters of film that,

that ended up in the garbage can basically. And now I know exactly what was missing because when the firing squad is, he was like, ready, aim, and then all of a sudden you have this long reaction on Delancey's face of him going like, oh, I've been shot, oh, like that. And then Janeway's like, no, they're shooting elsewhere. And you see the southern troops sort of firing off

to the distance, you know, into the woods. it was the shot of the attack, the initial attack that's missing, okay? You know what I'm saying? So the initial attack is of myself and a whole bunch of other extras, and we're all firing at the Southern troops, basically. So the Union troops are firing at the Southern troops, the Confederate troops, excuse me. And that whole, all the footage of the initial attack en masse,

because when you do what after Janeway says to Delancey Q she goes no no no it's you know we didn't get shot you see a cut to Paris and Chacote firing fire you see a cut of of Tuvac popping around a cup popping his head around a tree and firing and then you hear Chakotay's off-camera line Harry go get the captain or something like that you know so you don't see Harry shooting at all and you don't see the rest of the troops. You don't. And that was the footage that was over exposed and ruined and gone. Yeah.

So as you notice, it's kind of like, it's kind of weird. It's weird. It's very jumpy. And it's jumpy because of all the footage that was tossed. It's gone. And I feel like, you know, maybe they added some of that stuff after the fact because they lost all that footage. And it sucks because I really, I really, I wanted to see more of that battle scene.

but I wanted to hear more so so the good guys win we win we come over we free Q John Delancey Q and and then Miss Q shows up and Janeway's like you know you guys you guys are supposed to have the baby yeah and Delancey Q says something like oh have you been thinking about that have you even thought about that and Miss Q goes oh yes I've been thinking about it and she leans in and whispers to Q. I'm like, what is she whispering? Because he's like, oh, my. Oh, my. And then I'd love to know what she whispered. And then they take their fingers and they put their fingers together. And that's how they consummate. That's how the cues consummate. They do the ET. The E.T finger thing. And that's their copulation. Yeah. That was it. That was it.

And I think Janeway even says, was that it? That was it? Is that it? Yeah. She was like, I love it because, like, you know, Delancey Q goes, he goes, he goes, Katie, don't you like watching? Don't you like to watch? So it was very naughty what he was saying to her. It was very, yes. Remember, again, in our discussion earlier on the Patreon bonus section, I talked about slipping and falling. Okay. All right.

So now when you see female cue, you see Miss Q and Harry running. And I got to say, I look like, I look like Legolas from Lord of the Rings. I was nimble like an elf, a wood realm elf. I'm sitting here jumping and everything. It looked good. I was running, running, running. Now, yes, but for some reason, when I run up and stop and I'm now at when Janeway is tied to the steak, right? Yeah.

Okay, that's not where I slipped. I slipped, remember I told you, I slipped at a tree. So it was the moment after I undo Janeway, and then we kind of, we move away and we hide behind a tree while female Q and Q are still standing at the stake, okay? So that was the point. But the thing was, Kate and I ran towards that tree, and that's when I slipped and fell on my Oh, interesting. Yeah, and the pine needles that were all around that tree calls me to slip, right?

And so that particular take, we don't really run. we kind of mosey over. So the mozying is because I think take number one was the slip. And that's when they were like, okay, let's just take it easier. We're not going to run. We're just going to kind of, kind of, you know, saunter over to the tree. And so that's where that slip happened. Oh, that's where it was.

But it was very, oh my gosh, probably one of the most embarrassing things that happened to me on the Voyager set was just slipping and falling on my butt. And it's not as bad as getting your butt caught on fire. which happened to me, Garrett. We'll get there at some point. Notice, look at that. See how much we have in common, Robbie. Look at that. We both have butt problems.

We have butt problems. Your butt catches on fire. My butt, I land on it, you know, out in the middle of the woods and embarrass myself. So yes, so we both have butt issues. Okay. The, we go back to the bridge. And did you notice that Janeway asks Harry, are there any more supernovas? that you can detect.

And then the shot is on Chocote. And they don't rack focus to Kim. You have Chacote sitting there pushing some buttons and Kim's out of focus. Out of focus in the background. In the background. And there was no, it was almost like, I don't know if Cliff Ball fell asleep at that point,

but wouldn't you rack focus to the other person? Because the person in the foreground, Chocote, has no lines. Robbie, he doesn't say anything. I could understand if he says something. He does say something right after that, but it's not in that shot. It's not in that shot. So I thought, wow. Personally, though, I like sometimes when you play the dialogue out of focus and something else is happening.

Yes. It can be very interesting, but I understand when it's your line. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, that moment, I don't know, that seems like a kind of an odd choice to play the foreground. It was definitely an odd choice. And I almost feel like that they forgot that I had coverage there. You know, they were like, oh, yeah, you know, they may have. They just didn't get to it.

And I actually, in my video reactions, I talk about there is a point, like in the beginning, the very, very beginning, when we're watching the supernovas, I'm not at my station. I'm at the center console. At the center console, I noticed. But then if you watch everything after that, Harry's like not there. like there's a point where where Chacote says like um or Janeway says have Harry help you out with that and everyone looks up towards where I'm my station is but it's a background actor standing there in the later shot like I'm not even there so there was a little confusion very interesting yeah

where again I feel like they forgot my coverage on that one they were like oh yeah we got everybody right moving on and they just like oh geez he's supposed to be at the middle station so yeah yeah there's some inconsistencies there. But other than that, I did enjoy the episode. It was great. Yeah. I want to know who that little baby was at the end, Q's baby. He had a baby at the end, remember.

Yeah, Cues baby that doesn't look anything like Q? Doesn't look anything like Hugh? Or Miss Q. No, no. And that's also in my video reaction. But the baby had a very adorable little Starfleet uniform. And so, and Janeway is going to be the godmother. so it's great yeah uh yeah i thought that was great here's my theme okay my theme is basically it's a

wizard of oz theme there's no place like home meaning what you're looking for and what you go out searching for sometimes is right in your own backyard and that was q's lesson was he was trying to solve this with Janeway and all these other things. And his solution was right in his own backyard with Ms. Q. She was right there the whole time. Okay. So yeah, there's no place like home and just look in your own backyard. That's my, that's my theme. I like that. I'm going to go with all conflicts can be solved peacefully. That's my theme. And Janeway talks a little bit about that. Like, you know, she says, does this always have to be violence that you have to solve a, to solve this type of an issue, a problem? Does it always have to go to violence? And it really, no, it doesn't. You know, I mean, armed conflict is literally, it's so archaic. It really, it really is something that you should be able to avoid, you know? I mean, and that's what everyone should strive for at all costs, right? What would you give this on a scale of one to ten? I will give it a, I'm going to give it a seven.

I'm going to give it an eight. Oh, you pushed it up? I pushed it up a little. Yeah, usually. Usually I'm tougher than you. Yeah, you're very tough. You'll give something a two and I'll give it a six, right? And so this time you're pushing it above to go.

I'm going to go with an eight. Eight out of ten. All right. Very fun episode. What's next week? Yeah, next week we're going to be reviewing macrocosm. Macrocosm. Yeah.

If I'm not mistaken, I think this is sort of the Janeway Ripley episode. So kind of like when she duplicates Sigourney Weaver's role in aliens, plural, the second movie. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. We'll see. We'll find out. Well, that'll be fun.

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