The Delta Flyers - The Search Part I

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode, The Search, Part 1, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, & Terry Farrell.The Search, Part 1: Deep Space Nine is granted a new tactical asset, the powerful warship Defiant; to avert invasion, Sisko searches Gamma Quadrant for the Founders, the unseen leaders of the Dominion.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, & Sean T.Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Michelle Z, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Danie Crofoot, Steve Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, & Chris GarisAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Mark Lacey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Robert Allen Stifflerf, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Zackery Voss, Loretta Reyes, Timothy McMichens, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, & Douglas Lawrence-Plant, Scott Bowling, & Ed JarotThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Delta Flyers' Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. the complete version of this podcast with all the incredible bonus material. Check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. Hello, team.

Hello. I almost called you Tom and Jerry. My good friends, Tom and Jerry. You know. The cartoon characters. Which one of you guys would be the cat and which one would be the mouse? I think Robbie's the cat. Yeah, probably.

Because he's older than me. As the character, too, like, yeah. He's the cat. I'm the mouse. So you're smarter? Is that how? I can't remember, Tom. Is the mouse smarter than the cat?

Yeah, Jerry's more clever than Tom. Well, I think in the real world, most cats are smarter than mice is my guess. Maybe I'm sorry. Oh, maybe not. Maybe they have the same intelligence levels. But it seems like mice are smarter than me because I had, we had field mice in our garage for weeks. They evaded you. I think I mentioned this, and I would catch them in these don't kill traps, these little...

Yes, you go to your neighbor's yard and empty it out. Yeah, I didn't empty it out. And then they just come back. And finally, I Google, and it's like, you got to drive farther away. You got to drive two miles away. Yes, yes, we did talk about this. We did talk about this. So mice are smarter than me, I'm just going to say.

Or they have some type of natural homing beacon that gets the back to their nest. But I haven't, we have no field mice for a couple of months now, so we're good. That's good. Yes, it's very good. That's real good. Okay. Betty killed a pack rat and a mouse the first week she was at my house. Wow.

Haven't seen another one since. Good for Betty. What's a pack rat? I thought a pack rat is a person that has a bunch of junk. No. There's a type of rat called... After a pack rat that steal stuff and takes everything it can. And when they make their nest, the one I found was in my wood pile.

and they use bits of cactus to protect their nest. Wow. So when I found it, those needles went right through my leather glove. Oh! They are really smart, these pack rats. I was grabbing for wood and my hand went into the thorn. So essentially, pack rats are kleptomaniac rats. They take everything and stick it into their nest.

Yeah, and they look different. Their faces are kind of fat and furry sticking out. I googled it, Terry. Right now I googled it. Yeah, they've got kind of like, they don't have the tails with just skin, like regular mice. They have hairy tails? They have hairy tails. Whoa.

And I googled it and up came a picture of a monster pack rat that looks the size of my dog. So they can grow big too. So I'm terrified. Yeah, that was big enough. It was the size of. Thank you. Yeah. You're welcome.

Oh, my goodness. If you have nightmares, you can call me. bring yourself, but I will. I got to say, it's always a good day when I learned. I don't know you were sufficiently traumatized. Yes. I always say it's a good day when you learn something new. And this is something new.

We always learn something new on this podcast. Well, you learn even more. You learn even more if you sign up for patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers. You do. We actually have school. You know, there. Yeah.

I mean, our free podcast that goes out to everybody, our free podcast, it's great. It's great. It's wonderful. But it's sort of like the stepping stone to a much more deeper dive, which is what the bonus material does. You can subscribe for a month and just try it out. See if you like it. I guarantee you you will. So that's the test.

You don't have to be there the entire year. Just try it. Speaking of a deep dive, I've got to bring up something. This episode we're doing today was being filmed, the two-parter of your season three opening, was being filmed while we were doing our pilot. A Voyager. Crazy. Which was a two-parter. So this two-parter was being filmed when our two-parter was being filmed.

To film our two-parter, it was a 31-day shoot. Robbie and I worked 30 of the 31 days. We worked more than anyone else. Janeway worked 16 of the 31. I don't know how that happened, but that's just the way. Oh, because you have to be available. You want to make sure you're there. Yes, yeah.

What? Well, she was recast. She was recast. Yeah, but in total at the end of the end of the old. They squeezed all her work into 16 days. Maybe. Maybe. But I was in, my, Westmore did her makeup, did my makeup.

And because I wasn't the captain, I had to come to Mike. So you came to our trailer? Yeah. You did? I do kind of remember this now. They do my hair first. And then I would come and do my beauty makeup. If they need me in rehearsal, they'd pull me and take me for rehearsal.

And then I'd come back. How many times? times did you come over to our trailers? Like a lot? Almost every day. Every time that she worked, Robbie. Oh, my gosh. You know, I... Well, sometimes you just get your hair and makeup done.

Yeah. And you sit in your trailer and you get sent home after 15 hours too. True. Well, maybe not 15. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Once in a while that long where you're at the end of the... And they're like, we're not getting to your scene.

Those are always fun days. We talked about this. And you have a nine and a half hour turnaround. Yes. A recent episode of Delta Flyers, we talked about, someone asked, one of the prophets asked about, did call sheet number dictate any type of scheduling in terms of filming? And we said, no, it didn't. But clearly in makeup and hair prep, call sheet number did dictate some type of, in terms of the scheduling.

Because Kate was one. Seniority, yeah. Oh, well, sure. If you're the lead character, or female lead, male lead, the two top. Or both women, I guess, it would be Kate and Jerry at a certain point. But when you, yeah, they have to protect them the most because they're in the show the most. So that makes total sense. It doesn't mean that those of us below aren't there in tandem with them, but they are the leads.

So they have more dialogue. They have more work days. They have more to do. Right. I was just referring to the fact that you had to leave your end and come to our side of it. You know what I'm saying? Well, because Mike did my makeup, for him to qualify for, because he was the head of hair and makeup, well, for all of our shows, but still to qualify, to qualify for an Emmy, he had to do someone's makeup on the show. So it was easier to do like Kate's because it's practical beauty makeup. And to me, he just had to paint the spots in beauty makeup. So the spots was easier than having to do any kind of prosthetic piece on my face. He never knew that he had to do somebody's makeup.

Yeah. Yeah. Because he was in charge of everything. You'd think that would automatically give him an Emmy. But, oh, interesting. Yeah. And head of makeup is head of hair and makeup. Oh, okay.

That person on a set, whoever's in charge of makeup, they are in charge of both departments. Interesting. Yeah. I didn't know that either. Okay. We're learning new stuff all the time. Yay. Yay.

Well, we have some birthdays. right? We have a few more birthdays here. Yeah, we've got Dominique Weidel. Vidal? Is that a German? It is, but it's Weidle. Weidle? Viedler. Dominique Wiedler. Dominique on November 11th. Happy birthday, Dominique. Happy birthday, Dominique. Happy birthday, Dominique. All right, to come butzstag. On Deutsch, Dominique. Next up, we have Morgan Ayala Rantiria, whose birthday is on November 15th. So happy birthday to Morgan. Happy birthday, Morgan. Happy birthday, Morgan.

Annie Davy, happy birthday, November 16th. Happy birthday, Annie. Happy birthday, Annie. Happy birthday, Annie. Thank you for that. That was great, Garrett. That was like your own birthday. song. It really was. It was a whole new birthday song, ladies and gentlemen. Garrett just wrote it.

It's now official. He wrote a producer and directed it. Yes. Roxanne Ray, you've also got a birthday on November 17th. Happy birthday, Roxanne. Happy birthday, Roxanne. Happy birthday, Roxanne. And we have Scott bowling, November 13th. Happy birthday, Scott bowling. Happy birthday, Scott bowling. Happy birthday, Scott Bowling. Time for some poetry. Let's go with our limerick, and then we're going to go to Terry's poetry, and then I'll bring it on. I'll bring it on home with the haiku. The abstract and elegant haiku.

Yes. We'll start with a little limerick. It goes a little something like this. Season three starts, things look pretty glum. Facing the Gem Hadar could be. really dumb. Quark's exit is swift. Bashir's got a piloting gift. Odo finds his home and where he came from. Very nice. Thank you. Good job. There we go. You did a good job. Thank you. Thank you. It doesn't sound like a glum episode. But wait. Cisco introduces the team to the

Defiant. On this ship, DS9 becomes reliant. Odo is obsessed with a personal mission, takes Kira to Omicron Nebula without permission. O'Brien, Dax, and the Defiant are captured. Seems the Gem Hadar can't be fractured. Oh, nice. That was vicious. It was nice. There's some tricky rhyming work that you figured out.

It was. Coming more and more deft, you know, the when she's, how she's going about it, the actual poem itself, we're sitting there getting, ooh, we're like, it's like we're at a sporting event, Robbie. Like, we'll hear one stanza, oh, we're both very, you know, taken aback by Terry's. Didn't we try rapping at one point? Let's not go there. Oh, gosh, please. It was not good. If Sir Rock comes on the show, yes.

Maybe. Let him do it. Yes. But not us. Not us. We're not going to wrap. No. That was the fail.

Okay. How's our haiku. Oh, yes. Okay. Here we go. Here's my haiku for the search, part one. Ben brings defiant. Mission to find the founders. Odo returns home. That's it. Nice. Thank you. They're very elegant haikus. Yes. Yeah. Because originally I didn't have Odo returns home. And I was like, you know what? The second time I watched it, that's a big part of it. this episode. Instead, I said something like the cloak fails, you know, cloaking device fails. And I was like, no, that's not going to do it. No. There was a lot happening. There's a lot going on in this one. A lot. Yeah. Should we talk guest stars? Let's do. Okay. Salome jens. Am I pronouncing that name correctly, Terry? Is it Salome? Yes. Is how she says it? Okay. Salome jens as the lead female changeling, I suppose, has appeared also in a TNG episode, The Chase as an

ancient humanoid, and evidently will appear in a total of 14 episodes of DS9 as a female change. So now we know, it's a little spoiler. She's going to be back, for sure. Okay. Big storyline. We also have Martha Hackett. And the minute I heard her speak, I knew immediately, even through all that Romulan

makeup, that was Martha Hackett, who played Cesska on Voyager. We love Martha. Martha appeared in the TNG episode, All Good Things, the finale. Also, 13 episodes of Voyager. is Seska and also did the voice of a Klingon and Star Trek Klingon in the game. And then we have John Fleck as Ornithar. If you guys recall, he

was the karma that was on the ship, kind of on the defiant investigating everything, being very nosy. He appeared in the TNG episode The Mind's Eye. Also three episodes of DS9, all different characters. Oh wow. So not just Ornithar, but two other

aliens, I'm guessing. He also appeared in the Voyager episode. Alice. So you worked with him, Robbie. I did. Well, I worked with him in that episode because that was a Tom Paris episode. And I also directed him a couple of times, I think, on Enterprise. Yes. And that was my next little point there. He appeared as the recurring character of Silic in Star Trek Enterprise. So you directed him a couple of times there. Great. Yeah. One other point about John Fleck that I found, which I remember vividly, was that John Fleck was in the music video for the Zizi Top song, L. legs. Oh yes, that's right. He was? Yeah. Finally, we have Kenneth Marshall as Michael Eddington, who appears in nine episodes of DS9 as Eddington. Is he the security officer? He's that security guy

that walks in with Martha Hackett in the very beginning. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's Michael Eddington. So he's going to be around. He and Odo are going to butt heads a bit. He is definitely going to be around and Odo's already butted heads with him. And he also was at Juilliard as well. Really? Yeah. Yeah. He's a Juilliard guy. I guess when he was when he was there at the same time as Robin Williams, I think, I don't know. It just seems like. Oh, really? Yeah. I think he's born in, let me just see what the birth year of this guy is. But you look it up. I want to say that I, Martha and I did a con together. and she said, well, I worked on Deep Space Nine, and I'm thinking, I don't know. What character could she have been? Oh, no. I must not have been an episode I was in a lot.

I mean, and quite honestly, I wasn't on the bridge that off. But so when I watched it a couple of nights ago, it's like, oh, my goodness, there she is. I was so happy to see her. There she is. But even all on her own, she is incredibly. kind and you could self-assured she has this way about her that you can tell

she's in her autonomy and she's just very real and straightforward. We love her. So much style. We love her. We love her. A really nice person. Yeah. When you do get the chance to watch some Voyager episodes, you'll see that she is a fan favorite on Voyager. The character, CESCO. Oh, I'm sure.

No surprise. Oh, my God. So good. So good. I thought she was great as the Romulan in this. She was. She was great. Did a great job. Kenneth Marshall was born in 1950, Robbie. So he's about 14 years older than you. 74 years old, yeah. So he would have been there at Juilliard well over a decade before you got there.

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. All right. Story by Iris Stephen Bear and Robert Hewitt-Wolf. Teleplay, though, by Ronald D. Moore. And directed by none other than Kim Friedman. Love Ron Moore.

He's doing a Ron Moore's awesome. And Kim Friedman, she did the season. final. And now she's doing the season premiere, right? She did. That's rare. When you say, Robbie? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a big deal. She must have been, you know, at the top of their lists at this point, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And this was the first episode where Jonathan West took over from Martin Rush, right? That's right. Marvin came over. Let the party begin. Marvin came over to us. And then Jonathan began with you guys. And I do have Jonathan's phone number, by the way, Robbie.

So if we ever want Jonathan as a guest, we can go to him. I have this phone number too. Do you really? I don't have this phone number. You're the only one that doesn't have it. Robbie. Only tear a fair line. He doesn't have a chance to get it.

Okay, fine. You're right. You just haven't have the chance to get it yet. Thank you. He's lovely. It would be so great to have him on. Definitely. Maybe, well, this is too far down the line.

But you know, he directed trials and tribulations. Yes, that's right. He directed a couple episodes, right? Or a few episodes. And Chris Crossgrove was our DP on that. So, like, a lot of people switch places on trials and tribulations. Oh, wow. I don't mean that we shouldn't have him before then, but just so to take note that he also, that was a good, yeah.

That's a great one. Yeah. A lot of things happen here in terms of costume. Rene really loved his costume, his Odo costume from that mirror universe episode, crossover, so that he had the wardrobe department make that his costume from this point forward. Really? Yeah, he really loved it. He loved it so much.

He convinced them to make it as permanent costume. Exactly. Wow. You can also see that Cisco has shaved his hair very short in this, in this opener. That's a very, yeah. Dax gets a new hairstyle entirely. Any comments? That's where she cut my bangs when I was on hold for the commercial.

That's why? Is that why it changed because of that? No, I don't think that's why, but it definitely, I felt at 4.30 in the morning, I didn't have a lot of room to argue. Oh, wow. Because my, yeah. And when I see it on film right now, I come, you didn't need to cut my bangs for that. No, you didn't. No.

It's a really complex hairstyle, I think. There's a lot going on. It looks way more complex than what. what they gave you before. So did it take a lot longer? Not fun to sit through. Yes. It took longer, didn't it?

Yeah. Yes, it does not last long. I'm telling you right now. Oh, really? Not because I didn't. I'm one of those people that after a while you kind of go, you know what, that's your department. Not my, unless it's something that's really going to give me a headache or something, I'm not going to, I need to have some input on the character that isn't just mine. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, wardrobe, hair, makeup. there's certain things to certain degrees, whether you're comfortable or not, but you have to know that you're not the only person contributing to this. At least that's how, especially in a Star Trek show, you know, a franchise where they've already set a precedent for a look or kind of rules in space, like you can't have highlights, right? That kind of thing. That's the first thing I did when we finished. When we finished Voyager, the first thing I did was bleach the tips of my hair like surfer style i just went like bleached blonde it was kind of trendy back then a little bit

too yeah and then i let my hair grow long and you let your hair grow long you did yeah and then i put color in there like robbie did too i did that too um yeah what did you do when you left the show did you do a big change did you do no but i wasn't wearing the three-quarter fall yeah right yeah that was nice not to have that in my head there was one point though on Becker where I just I was doing a TV movie over the summer and I let them cut my hair and

as they were doing I was thinking Dave Hackle's going to be so mad at me because he said if you need you cut your hair please let me know ahead of time so we can make an episode about it but I was doing a different TV movie and it was kind of one of those

you know when you feel like you're between a rock and a hard place is it the I think that's why they inspired me, but I didn't think it helped. In the notes, Terry, this hairstyle is only in these two episodes, and it goes back to what's similar to season one. Is that right? Oh, wow. That's quick. You're right.

Here's a weird fact. This is the first appearance of the ward room ever, the ward room. I liked having that. I didn't know that. Which was the ward room? Which one was that? That's where we're all sitting around the table instead of us being in a circle in Ops. Got it.

Which makes more sense because there's a little more privacy. Absolutely. Ops is very public for sure. Okay. Can I just say besides all of this, this is the episode where when we open, Nanaz at the head of the table talking to all of us addressing us, right? Yeah. Did anybody else kind of think, where is Captain Cisco? Yes.

Yes. That's what I thought. I thought, oh, my God, what happened? In my mind, I was just like, what happened last episode? I'm trying to remember. I'm trying to. It's very strange. I literally in my notes wrote down, the whole team, minus Cisco, are trying to figure out how to defend against the Gem Hadar.

Why is Cisco not there? We're going to discover in a minute why he's not there. Yeah, we figure it out late at, but still, it's a little shocking. It is a little shocking. Yeah. Well, let's dive in. So they're in ops. Cures at the table kind of looks like she's leading this meeting

to try to figure out how to defend against the Gem Hadar. They talk about simulations. Every simulation they run shows the base getting overrun within a couple of hours. By the Gem Hadar. By the Gem Hadar. They can't figure out what they will possibly do. When suddenly there's an alert, they get an unknown energy signature, heading right towards them, they think it's trouble.

so they go to Red Alert, and it's Cisco in the Defiant. So we're introduced to this new surprise he's brought back for the Dominion, the Defiant. Evidently, later in the episode, I think they talk about a timeline of him going back for, he's been gone for a while. He's been debriefing them. So for weeks, maybe six, seven weeks, and now he shows back up with the Defiant. I think the writers were thinking about the fact that they were, over hiatus, but they're still working the whole time. So, you know what I mean? So Cisco's on earth working. They're at Paramount working and we're off doing TV movies or whatever else we're doing

for the summer. Exactly. Got it. All right. And we cut inside the ward room. They're briefing room, I guess. They get a briefing room. Observation lounge or something. He's describing this new ship. It's the most powerful warships certainly can possibly make, but it's a prototype. And the key to the whole thing is this cloaking device, this Romulan cloaking device that will, that's experimental and very secret. And I think this is where he says our missions to go to the Gamma Quadrant, we're going to find the founders, tell them that we are not a threat to them, that we're peaceful. Right. But the defiant itself was developed as a ship to combat the Borg. So it was supposed to, that's the sole purpose of its development to deal with the Borg threat. But then they

talk about the Borg threat becoming less urgent. And then there were some design flaws where they were testing the defiant when they were taking it at top speeds. The ship would practically, because it has so many armaments on it that it was kind of falling apart. And they were coming apart at the seams. So there's some design flaws that they had to deal with. And so this is basically a, what do you call it when it's a concept, like a concept car? Yeah, like a concept ship is what it is. It's a prototype.

Excuse me. That's the word I was looking for. It's a prototype. of what they wanted to have a whole fleet of these, basically. It's not made for speed. It's made for... Secrecy. Defense.

Defense. Yeah. But doesn't it seem crazy if their mission is to go tell the founders, we're a peaceful people, but they're taking the most advanced warship. It seems a little... Because we have to go through the Gem Hadar and the Dominion to get to the founders, right? That's true. That's true.

And also, Cisco does say that he wants to be able to have... something to show the dominion that we mean business as well, even though we're trying to go for peace, which is very understandable. It's something that... Well, and we've been attacked. He was attacked. He was taken, and that doesn't really bode well for making friends. No, but what I want to, I want to bring up one point, though. This is the first time in Star Trek that we see a ship that's been developed purely for combat only, Whereas in Star Wars, almost every ship you see is a combat ship. So this is the sort of Star Trek's dabbling into the Star Wars world for the very first time.

Yeah, because usually a Star Trek ship has families. It's there for science. It's got some of the definitions, but it's mostly for exploration. Exactly. Yeah. Wow. I think it looks super cool. It does.

Super cool. Really nice. Martha Hackett's in this scene. We get to meet her. She's a Romulan named Terranian. rule. To rule. We've got a Starfleet security officer.

And she is no nonsense. Yeah. No nonsense. Yeah. Don't mess with to rule. Subcommander to rule. We learned that the Romulans are loaning this cloaking device. We meet Michael Eddington, the security.

Very awkward meeting between him and Odo in this scene. Well, he probably should have gone for Odo first, but he was too busy flirting with Kira. Yes. To think of Odo. first so his bad yes but this scene this whole thing with eddington coming in is identical to george prim the how do you know remember that guy that came in yes yes yes yes and do you remember what happened right after that otto was offended thinking that prim was going to take over his position and he was giving his resignation to cisco in that episode the same thing he's very sensitive

Odo. He is a sensitive man. At the end of this scene, Odo storms out. Well, he thinks he's been replaced. He's very insulted. Cisco follows him out into the hallway. Odo thinks he's going to have to report to Eddington, the new Starfleet guy. And Cisco does admit that, you know, you've been reluctant to follow some of Starfleet's protocols. And that's why Starfleet has brought in this new guy. And Odo says, fine, I'll resign. But Cisco does, I mean, Cisco does go to bat for him. He says, I strongly disagreed with these orders because this wasn't his idea. He says he tried to do everything he could to fight for Odo, but Starfleet would not have that.

And so this is really above his pay grade in a way. And he also wants him to know, Odo to know, that this is not a racial issue. It's not because you're a shapeshifter. And knowing where this episode's going, this is a very smart scene for the writers to create to kind of make Odo feel like he doesn't belong, just to remind everybody, Odo doesn't like he belongs like he's not respected so when he is drawn to this home world kind of thing it's it's much more meaningful so very smart going to cisco's quarters jake is uh enjoying really enjoying some spice pudding uh adanian spice pudding yeah adan spice pudding what did that look like to

both of you would you i don't know he first took a bite i thought it was oatmeal yeah that's my first thought then i thought maybe grits it kind of looked like grits to me or home me, one of the two, but not or tapioca pudding or rice pudding. Yeah, maybe right. It's had texture. Yeah. So when he said pudding, then I thought, oh, well, it must have been rice pudding.

Right, with a little clumpiness in there. Or tapioca. Yeah. Well, cinnamon sugar. Mm. Mm. Sounds delicious. That sounds good.

Does it. Does, doesn't it? Have a snack right now? I think we need to have some. Yeah. I have a really good rice pudding recipe. Oh. Old-fashioned, what tons of.

Really? Bad butter. Mm-hmm. Vanella. Terry's got some good recipes. I just ordered her book. Terry, why aren't you? The apple pie book that you recommended.

That one I made, but like for my dad and a friend of mine, a fellow quilter in Pennsylvania, Susie Epler gave me the recipe and I made it for my dad and I was like, this tastes like your mom's rice pudding. And he tasted it. He was like, it does. Oh, my God. So I'm like, I have it on the original piece of paper that she wrote it on it for me. And yeah, it means a lot to me.

I, yeah, I miss cooking a lot. I cooked a lot when I was married to Brian. Did they ever talk about putting your love of cooking into the show? Like, the decks would, that would have been a cool hobby for her. I think at that time, Nana was sort of like, you know, it was that Nana was the cook, you know. Yeah. Not, I mean, she has the French mom. She makes really exotic and interesting things.

She's a baker. She's... Really? Nana's really a talented... But so are you. I wouldn't say more than a cook, a chef. Right. But you love...

You've got great recipes. I do feel... Oh my gosh. Thank you. She's very generous with me, too, about complimenting me. So I don't feel slighted in any way. Well, am I right to say that you have enough recipes that you could have your own cookbook? Yes, there you go.

Dax does food? Maybe, but they're not just all mine. So I don't know how you do make your own cookbook. If there are other people's recipes. Yeah, because chefs. Well, you can credit them. You can credit them in your book saying this was from my, you know, from my non-off. This is from, you know, or to ask them.

Because changing one ingredient or adding one. That's not the same, is it? It's not enough. It's not the same. No, it's not. So as we see in this scene, because Jake didn't like the pudding when he was back on Earth. He wanted, he wanted the pudding of this replicator on DS9. But it's still I'dadian pudding.

Yes. Spice pudding. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, Jake's super happy to be home. Cisco asks in the scene, you know, when did DS9 become our home? They both sort of are realizing that this feels like home now. They've been here a couple of years. And Jake mentions, I think, in the scene where when they were back on Earth, when Cisco took his treasured belongings out of storage to bring here, that that was assigned to Jake that this was home now. Sisko holds up the African mask, the very treasured African mask on the wall. That's a... 2,000 years old mask. 2,000-year-old Yoruba mask, I think.

Here's a quick note here. A couple of the story points in this episode were written into the episode due to a season-long campaign to make the DS9 main characters more of a family. Even in the search, we were trying to get that feeling, commented Ron Moore. Cisco comes back to the station and Jake says to him, the S-9 is becoming home, and Cork is showing that he actually cares about what happens to these people when he says goodbye as they go off to the Gamma Quadrant and the Defiant. So there's a conscious effort by the writers to give this idea of home. Okay, so next up, we're in the promenade, and we have a scene with Odo and Kira. Kira comes up to Odo and says, hey, guess what?

I just talked to the provisional government, and they want you to go as the Bajoran representative to the Gamma Quadrant. after a few more lines of dialogue, we basically find that Odo feels that she's making all of this up to make him feel better. And Keir is like, well, yeah, maybe, but you know what? I'm your friend, okay? So I'm just trying to make sure that you understand that, you know, some idiot Starfleet am making that decision. He's a great friend to him in this episode.

Oh, it's a great scene. She really is. Yeah. Yeah. It's needed. And she does say, all right. you decide we're going to leave at 700 hours. She leaves it out there for him.

So she's not strong arming him, but she really comes out and says, Yeah, she goes, I'm a friend. I'm a friend. I'm doing this to help you. And I think he appreciates it, but I think he's too proud at this point still to say, I'm coming along, right? I like that he's staring out at the stars. Yes.

It's a very, because the camera, I think, started down below on the busy promenade and tilted up just to see little lonely Odo up there, just looking out at the stars. Yeah. The cameras where that front staircase was to the promenade. So next up, we're in

the commander's office, and we have a nice scene with Cisco asking Quark to join them on this mission. Quark refuses right off the bat. He doesn't want to deal with it, and he's a little confused. He doesn't understand even why he's being asked, but Cisco's angle is

Quark has already been to the gamma quadrant. He's already dealt with an alien race, the karma, in terms of getting the Tuleberry wine for the Ferengi. So the goal is go to the karma, use Quark to sort of get information from the karma representative of who and where the founders are, because the whole goal, once again, is to show them that the Federation only wants peace. We don't want any, we have zero expansionist intentions, even though a Bajoran colony on the other side is quite expansionist, I think. But he's saying Federation is not going to do anything like that.

But I like how Cork to try to get out of this says, I didn't negotiate that. Nob did. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, he's only got a kid. Oh, sorry. Yeah, Rom. Rom. And he only has a kid.

I have a business. Yes, that was very funny. The way he's, Rahm only has a son to think about. I have a business. So basically a son is nothing, but a business is very meaningful. That's what. So farangi of him. It's so farangi.

It's very funny. But of course, Cisco is already prepared for this because this is when he pulls out the Grand Nagis's staff with the little golden. How did he get that? That seems like he said, he gave it to him. He gave it to him because on his way, he went to Earth, right? To debrief everybody about everything that happened. And on his way to Earth, he passed by Fringanar, obviously.

Yeah. It was way back to Deep Space Line. So he talked to the Grand Nagas himself in person, and the Grand Nagas agreed with everything. And of course, Cisco probably said to the Grand Nagas, he's not going to believe me. And he's like, well, then take my staff. I'm sure he'll believe you now. So that's the only reason why he has it. Cork agreed to it before Cisco shows him the staff.

Does he? Yes. But then he says to him, are you forgetting something? Because that is like, that's what seals the deal. Because if he didn't kiss the staff of the Grand Negas, then it would be like, Cork might try to get out of it. Oh, the kiss at the end is hilarious. Isn't it?

And you see him lean and then pause for a minute. It's very funny. Yeah, I love that. Did you find it? Yeah, I'm just trying to find. There's a quote from Armin in here that he, He hated that. He really hated that scene.

Oh, you could see. Well, you could see it in his performance. Here we go. Okay. Okay, here's a quote. Armist Shermanman hated the scene where Cisco makes court kiss the scepter of the Grand Negas. Despite the Federation's lip service to their prime directive, which says they're not

supposed to apply their standards to any culture's attitudes, it seems to me that this was another example of the Federation making fun of, taking advantage of, and ridiculing the Ferengue way. So kissing the scepter was a bit irks. to both the actor and the character was the quote from Armand. Interesting. Yeah.

And I honestly felt like, I thought, like, Terry, you're saying that that sealed the deal. I kind of felt like that, the way that Cisco was kind of smiling while he was kissing it, it did seem a little, you know, like, ha, ha, you got to do this. Yeah. And I almost felt like it was unnecessary. I almost feel like him telling him, this is what the Grand Nagas wants. Obviously, he wants it. I have the Scepter.

It was enough that they didn't have. have to have that sort of, you know, scene at the very end. It did feel like kind of power play. Yeah. Power play. Like he was kind of laughing at him having to submit to this or something. Yeah. So I feel Armist's pain. Wow. I do. Interesting. Yeah. I felt like it was in, yeah, I wouldn't say my first, the first time I saw it, my reaction was degrading. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's, that's the point.

It was. And then the second time I watched it, I thought, well, I can't think about this too much. Right. You let it go. Yeah, because you get conditioned to go, you know, what could I do about it anyway? And that's the rules. I mean, I think Cisco in one hand was kind of saying, this is the rules when the Negas gives an order and you have to agree to it because it's a Naga's order. You also have to, your kiss of the staff is your promise. You're seeing the deal.

That's you signing the contract of the orders that you have to do, right? But I find it kind of humiliating every time we've seen the Grand Negas make him. kiss the staff or anybody else in any situation otherwise, too. Just because that kind of hierarchy is not how we grew up. Right. So any time you're taking away someone's agency, that's, ah. Especially if they don't want it. Yeah.

Yes, especially if you don't want it. Yeah. Yeah. The next scene, I think, is in the ward room. We see Cisco studying some maps when Dax and. enters and says the defiance almost ready. I love that you say Miles O'Brien has a maintenance list, of course, like a mile long. I forget what you, you know, as long as the table or something.

Oh, did it pass the chief's inspection? Does anything? His maintenance list is as long as this table. But he did say it'll take us where we're going. Exactly. I love that. I love that dialogue. Done beautifully.

Cisco thinks that they have to try. to reach out to the founders. And Dax says, Curzon always said, don't volunteer for anything. Right. Which I loved. Yeah, I love that too.

But Dax also notices that he's passionate about this. He volunteered because he really believes in it. And ever since Jennifer died, Dax hasn't seen that passion until now. That's a nice kind of observation of, of the last couple of seasons of Cisco sort of being ambivalent

and sometimes about being there and it does feel like this is a turn with Avery Brooks and Cisco the character kind of committing to you know a whole new kind of storyline in a way I guess a whole new mission

and yeah Dax says you weren't meant to sit behind a desk you're a man of action you're meant to be out in the field And Curzon felt that too. After he romanticizes being a, what do they call? Admiral. The Abbey. Yes, exactly.

Yeah. I love that moment between the two of them too. Really nice scene. Really, really good scene. Thank you. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah, good character, good relationship scene.

Love it. We go to the bridge, I think, next. The bridge of the Defiant for the very first time. It's very small, this bridge, but it does feel like a bridge. You know, you get the stations. It's bigger than a runabout. We know that. Yes.

Yes. We all fit in the room. Yeah. And there is a captain's chair. So it feels for the first time on DS9 at least like we're, this is your version of a, of a starship, you know, that's that we're familiar with. It's the DS9 version of the Enterprise or Voyager or whatever. I wonder if that was a new set build or if it was a redress of something else. It was a new, new set build then?

I believe so. I don't think there was anything left over from something else. I don't know. I could be wrong. I would guess it seems so specific. I know. It's so true. Yeah.

First time in this ship, Bashir is not happy with the medical arrangements. There is no medical. No, he says there's no databases, not much there. I think he comments later on about like the medical beds are down in the bowels. A joke of a sickbay or something like that. I just, yes, yeah. To rule is there. Martha Hackett's there for the cloaking device, I guess.

She's, that's, because she's talking about engines, but, you know, as they're going around to all the checks, you know, navigation operations ready, weapons ready. And then Martha Hackett says, impulse engines, online, warp power available at your command. I thought she was just there for the. Yeah. She's pretty. But they need power. They do, but that's still not her job. Her job is to oversee the cloak.

That's it. And now she's doing, and again, she's Romulan. She's not supposed to have knowledge of Starfleet impulse. It seemed a little strange to me that she was part of the team that's kind of checking in with all the departments. Yeah. But maybe she got brief beforehand, you know, so maybe she knows everything. Yeah. We don't know that.

Well, she must have come with Cisco, though, right? Did she fly in with Cisco? Did she come in with Cisco? I don't know. I'm curious. That's very possible, yeah. And Eddington as well. Exactly.

Yeah. That's exactly. Like the three of them. They came together, yeah. So he probably briefed to, so on the, yeah, on the journey from the Alpha Quadron or from Starford Airquarters to DS9. From San Francisco. San Francisco. Plenty of time for Toul to rule to get the basics of how that defiant works.

Okay. That makes sense. I'll buy that. And Terry, you were sitting in the pilot's chair. You're the pilot of this. At the helm. Navigation and operations. Oh, look, guess what?

Dax says navigation and operations ready. Robbie is basically a pilot navigation. I was operations on Voyager. So you're us. I had both of your jobs. You're both of our jobs. Look at that. Look what a trill can do.

I know. You're incredible. I was just like when they said I was piloting the Define. I'm like, I'm the shit. Yes. Right? It's a cool job. It's a cool job.

When Jedziah Dax has a child, it's actually twins. It's Tom Harrison, Harry Kim, because we come out. Oh, we're like your kids. We're like your kids. So Dax is the pilot. Just as they're about to leave, though, Odo calls, and he wants to come on board. And everybody looks to each other, great moments of smiles all around the bridge. Everybody's happy about that.

Yeah. Cisco does say, as soon as the docking clamps are released, cloak this thing. Yeah. Or as soon as they get into the gamma quadrant. That's it. Yeah. You don't need a cloak until you get over there. Yeah.

We can get through the wormhole first without so much drama. Yeah. We go out to space. We see the Defiant clearing the station for the first time. We see the cool lights coming on and kind of pivots around. So we get a whole almost a 360 of the Defiant for the first time, which is very cool. into the gamma quadrant they go and the Defiant as it comes

out of the wormhole I love that shot. It's sort of as it's passing the camera and the camera's panning it starts to cloak so it just disappears. Mm-hmm. Very cool. And I like the ad of them turning, dimming the lights on the bridge too so that we

all know we are cloaked whenever the lights are dimmed. That's kind of a nice added thing. I did not notice that So there's a light change when they cloak as well. Yeah, there is. I think that's good. Yeah.

Yeah, very close. We cut down to the cabins, I guess, the bunk rooms for the first time we see on the Deviant. There's no big quarters on this thing. There's just bunk rooms. Bunk beds. Cork is in the bottom bunk in this tiny room. The door opens.

Odo comes in. Cork is so happy to see him. Does he bump his head in the scene or something? He does. He does. He does. getting out of the bed? It's very funny.

I mean, you're even on the bottom bunk and you're still heading your head. And your quark. How tall is he? Exactly. Yeah. It's a small bag. Not a slam, but I mean, you'd expect me to hit my head getting out of there. Yes.

Yes. But it's even small for him for quark. Yes. Even for the vertically challenged quark, it was still small for him. But, Bashir's there too. Bashir's the one that escorts Odo over there. And Bashir's kind of mean to quark over. in the beginning he says we don't feel a bit better with someone here to watch over quack

and then quark's like I take that as a personal insult doctor and Bashir says you should more more quirk bashing no respect showed us a history of some pretty bad behavior we understand yes I mean technically he should probably be in jail for some of the yeah for some of the stuff for sure yes or prison but if you're not going to put Dale sounds nicer than prison, but probably prison. Probably prison. Serving multiple sentences. Oh, gosh.

Well, Odo comes in. Cork is a chatterbox in this scene. I love this scene. He's just talking away. Odo's completely silent. Then he growls at Cork at one point. Yeah. I really want to whatever that growling thing he does.

Well, I mean, it's warranted. I mean, he does tell Cork, I've been holding this shape for the last 16 hours. It's time for me to revert back to my liquid state. And cork is just still not even giving him the privacy. So the growl happens right there. Well, he started to turn around, right? And like, I know this is a private moment. But then he starts to have another conversation again.

Like, oh, my word. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry you said to stop talking. Exactly. Even though Odo is so grumpy in this. You can see that Cork and Odo's friendship is starting to build. Like, even though Odo's really mad, Quark wouldn't be talking like this in such a chatterbox if he didn't feel like this was a friend.

Right. So, you know, you're seeing two friends, one of them's super grumpy. Yeah. But that friendship is there somewhere. And it's this moment in a friendship where trust is being built by we're going, we're being forced to be a little more intimate than we're kind of ready to go. But we have to be. And we have to respect our boundaries.

And so this is what they're up against right now. It's kind of a great thing. We're back up on the bridge. And Odo, by the way, goes in his bucket. He does, he does die. Much to all of our relief. Yes. Yes.

Take a nap. Stop complaining. Before we jump into your bridge description, Robbie, I just want to talk about this introduction of the two recurring characters. The DS9 writing staff's attempt to introduce in this installment, two new recurring characters paid off with mixed results. After this episode's two-parter, the DS9 producers realized that the to rule character

would not offer enough story material to warrant keeping her around for Martha. However, Eddington did proceed to recur as a series continued, and according to Ron Moore, the DS9 writers decided over the course of the third season to expand his character. So he gets a lot more screen time,

and clearly Martha Hackett does not. show up again after this is what I'm guessing. So this is it for her. Well, when you only give her the cloak to deal with. Yes. Yes. Then, you know, she showed us, then we buy it. Then we say bye-bye. Yeah. Unless you got, and her personality, they didn't help out by giving her a winning personality. Or being so mean that you're like perfect antagonist. Yes. She's on our side. Right. Yes, exactly. She's supposed to be one of us, but she doesn't feel like it. No, we don't need her. And we've got one grumpy guy in Odo. We love Martha. Yeah, we love Martha. Here's another random cool tidbit. This was the first of 11 DS9 episodes, the last being past tense

part one, that premiered without another Star Trek series also on the air. So there's the 11 episodes that you guys get all alone, where there's no one else. And then Voyager Pops. A different time when nobody knows where we are. Yeah, that's true. That happened to us eventually with the UPN, you know, crumbling of the network that we were on. Well, now it's officially gone, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Where we pick up Gem-Hadar ships on scanners. Yes, we do.

And he decides to test the cloaking device, Cisco does. And you know what? This was kind of nerve-wracking for me. How about you guys? Yes, very. Yeah, because you don't know if it's going to work. No, right? And there were two ships, and as they were coming by, and they passed us.

Then they stopped. Yes. And then who was, was it O'Brien that was saying something about our signature being different or there being a lot more electricity because of the demands of the defiant? Yeah. Maybe something like that. He said, he said because the defiant is as large of a vessel it is, it's giving off a lot of energy. The cloak may not cover all of it. So that's when he suggests maybe we should cut some power.

And that's when Cisco goes out. But off the main power right now. Right, that they're leaving it some kind of signature. I think to rule first says cut the warp, right? Because it might leak some subspace variance. Right. So they drop out a warp and that seems to work. But they keep sniffing around.

And then that's when I think O'Brien says something about the, maybe the power. They're picking up some subspace variance in power or something. Defiance power signature is unusually high for a ship to size. The clothing device may not mask everything, cut me in power, which then immediately made me think of every submarine. movie I've ever seen when they're like, oh my gosh, they're about to, they're above us, right? So everyone cut the engines and don't even say a word, because they're listening. Nobody's speaking.

Yeah, no one say a word. And that's what they did. They turned everything off. That's a good analogy of the submarine thing. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I'm holding my breath just now as we speak.

Right? It's terrifying. But it works. They turn off the power. They drop out a warp. They sit really silent. And then the, they hover over us for a while. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, very cool idea. for a while so that we felt like, oh, what's going to happen? Yeah, they milk this moment for sure. They do. And then they finally leave. We all breathe. Yep.

A sigh of relief. By the way, can I just throw this in here? The name Defiant, did you guys know that Ron Moore was in charge of naming what this vessel was going to be? No. No. He didn't want Defiant. He wanted the Valiant.

The Valiant. But because Valiant begins with V, and you, USS Voyager begins with V. The producer said, no, you can't name it Valiant, Ron Moore. You have to name it something different. And so he said, Defiant, and that's what they went with. So it was supposed to be. Well, defiance starts with a D, like DS9.

I don't think that's how they. Maybe? But yeah, you're right. No, but look, that's kind of the same thing when they wouldn't let Avery Shave his head in the beginning because Captain Picard was bald. It's like, well, like there's only. I know. You can only have one ball captain in Starfleet.

It's the same ridiculous reasoning that means nothing, right? You could have definitely made it. Exactly. So they used Defiant. I know. They use Defiant because it's an original series episode, the Tholian Web, that has the USS Defiant. So they copied that one. Well, that's cool.

Well, we see the Defiant uncloaked now flying through space. We have a ship's log, Star Date 48212.4. We've arrived at the Karema homeworld and open talks with one of Kork's business partners in an effort to contact the founders of the Dominion. And then we cut inside and there's John Flex. I love his performance in this. It's almost like he's smelling for things that are valuable. It's like...

Did he play the character that had that extra piece of skin? Do you remember that episode where the skin like went from his lower lip to the tip of his nose? You're talking about the guy that tried to kill Quark that showed up? You had that skin right there? Yeah. Same skinny face, but not the same actor, though. Not the same actor. Okay.

Yeah. One other fact before we go on with the scene, going back to the earlier scene, when the ships take off and we all breathe a sigh of relief, the Gem of our ships, Kira says, quote, they've gone into warp and resumed their original course. There's a couple of times in this episode where they've used grammatical or words that we didn't use in Voyager because we, would have said they've gone to warp T-O. We wouldn't say into warp like that. So it's a different it's a different way

of saying it entirely. Yeah. Which I found very, very interesting and different. Like when I get on the freeway I merge onto the freeway, I go into 55 miles an hour. Stop. You do not. Okay. Maybe not. Okay, so we're on the bridge. The Keremma guy.

The Kremah. Orenthar. is his name, I think. He's studying every detail of the bridge. He's looking for things of value. He's sniffing. Quark offers to increase the Tulaberry wine shipments if they will help them contact the founders. Ornithar refuses, although he does like.

Well, it was 3%. He wasn't offering very much. Not much. No. That's nothing. But John Flick did like Kira's earring. He liked that a lot. He sniffed it.

Maybe he's just like the way Kira smelled. He makes an offer. He makes an offer on purchasing it to which Cork agrees. He's like, sold like that. It was very funny. It's like, how can you sell someone else's personal property? I don't think so. Ornthar does say the only contact that they have with the founders is through the Vorta.

Right. And they just do what they're told. They don't ask any questions. And this is where Cork says, you know, we're going to stop buying Tulaberry wine from you. if you don't help us. So he's trying. Quark is trying. Yeah. And Cisco says, well, the Vorda might be mad about that. So Orenthard shows them on a chart where they direct the messages to the Vorda. This is where we send our messages. After that, we don't know what happens. We don't know where the messages go. It's a release station. And it goes up on the main screen of the defiant. So everybody in

the room can see it. Just thought it was important to say for those people are just listening. Why is that important, Terry? Tell us. Because Odo points to a planet and said, what is this? And Orenthar says it's the Omerian Nebula. Omerian Nebula. Omerian Nebula. But Odo is like, he is laser focused on this.

Yeah, totally locked in. Odo is so preoccupied. He's not paying it. attention to anybody, it seems. Just his one thing, yes. Quark says... He's showing his narcissistic personality right now. Yes, he says, I got to go home.

I'm going. I'm done. I gave it. I'm going to get a ride home. I'm going to... Good luck. But he is kind of... There's a moment I felt like when Quark turns back, Cisco says, all right, Quark, good luck.

And Cork sort of stopped and he looked at him because of the last episode where Cork and Cisco were trapped together. I felt like their relationship got a little bit. better. And I felt them, the actors tracking that into that moment. Yes, agreed. Yeah. Goodbye. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't, it didn't, it didn't track when he made him kiss the head of that. No, it didn't. No, that did not draft. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because that might have been kind of cool. If because of the last episode of the second season, if Cisco would have said, now you know you're supposed to kiss this, but I'm not going to make you. Exactly.

I see you. Yeah. There you go. That would have been nice. Perfect. Perfect. now you know you're supposed to get see that's you're a writer terry that would have been perfect i would have bought that way more than i bought the ending of that last scene with that weird smirky smirk that he's giving him too it's like no what happened to your bond that you just had in the last episode there's there's a new friendship happening i'm just going to focus on this moment which felt nice this nice goodbye or cisco says good luck and quirks as same to you that felt like a nice moment i'm going to forget about the negas head yeah we go into Cisco's cabin in the

Wait, he says, lay in a course for the Calan, Calanon? Calanon system. Calanon system, and I say I, sir. And you pilot! Yes! Go pilots. Is that the first time you actually pilot a vessel? Is that right?

No, she's piloted. I piloted the runabout. Yeah, the run-up, but this is your first time. My fifth incarnation was a test pilot. Oh, I didn't know. That's where that comes from. Got it. What was that other like that messed up ship that you and Kira got into?

Did you pilot that thing? Oh, yeah. I think she piloted it. And I was in the back. The one that had shutters in that one? Yeah, that was cool. Like that, wasn't it? It was some broken down.

It was a broken ass Bajoran first generation fighter ship. Yes. Hiding in a cave for us. That was awesome, actually. That I love that scene. We do see Cisco's cabin on the Defiant here, and it's also a bunk. Captains don't get any special treatment here. He's in a bunk.

Kira comes in. She's worried about Odo. So is Cisco. Cisco says, you know, Odo's got to be a team player. He's got to follow the chain of command and the rules. And Kira defends him, says he always gets the job done. So they're talking about their thoughts about Odo, but then the bridge calls. To rule, our friend Martha Hackett calls and says,

we've reached the Calanon system. Side note, Rick Berman was initially against the idea of the ship having a cloaking device because one of the tenets of Gene Roddenberry's universe was that Starfleet did not believe in sneaking around. However, it was Iris Stephen Bear and Robert Wolfe that managed to convince Berman that the Defiant was a unique ship in a unique situation and with the added stipulation that the cloak could only be used in the gamma quadrant. So Rick basically said no, and then they were able to... They had to talk him into it. Well, it's amazing because you and I both know that that's very difficult to convince him otherwise.

So good job. True. To those two. Yeah. And give a little kudos to Rickford, giving in a little. Yes, most definitely. You know? Well, they're in the Kalanon system.

We got a space shot. I love this planet, by the way. This, it was kind of a, I don't know, I just thought it was a cool planet. It was yellow or something or gold. Yeah, you're talking about the planet where. the relay station is, right? Yeah, where the relay station is. Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah, it's different. Yeah, defiance cloaked up. They go into standard orbit around the Calanon. Calanon 7, and Cisco's going to send Dax and O'Brien down to survey the relay station on the surface. How could they send their pilot? You know, pilots are very important, Terry. Well, yeah. You should never give up your pilot.

I understand. Well, I felt the reason why. But I have to do with the captain's. You do? Yes. I had to do it to you. Is he not a captain yet? He's not a captain.

He's still commander of Cisco. Yeah. But I will say when they sent you down, my first thought was they sent Dax down because Dax will bring something very large back up to the ship like she normally does. Like we're going to take this entire monolith. Oh, yes. This cute statue will go back to the station first. She assumed that's what it was. Yes.

Yes. Yes, treasured monuments and just steal them. It's very much like me. But just to do more surveys on and to do more tests on. So she's being a science officer. Yes. But in a way that no other science officer that I know just takes the entire thing with them. I'm like, it's mine.

I have a lot of male ego in there running. Yes. So back on the bridge, they're scanning this relay station. they do realize it's unmanned, very little security. As Cisco says, it'll take six seconds to beam them down. Right. So we can decloak for only six seconds. So they decloak, beam them down, and then go back into the cloak,

which I thought was pretty cool. Cloak is re-engaged. Two, Mississippi. I actually counted, and she hit the buttons faster than six seconds. I was like, wait a minute. TP seconds. TV seconds. It was six TV seconds.

It was six TV seconds. seconds. Thank you. Well, they're back cloaked, and we cut down to the outpost there, and they're in, Daxon and O'Brien are in the relay station. Miles gets into the directory very easily. Not good. No? No. That should be right away. Turn around and go back. Leave now. They know we're there. He's in the directory. He says it doesn't look like we've been scanned. Everything seems to be going great. Back on the bridge, Cisco comments on the replicators, the coffee stinks. And then he gets a call from Dax. Dax says they've accessed the communication logs of all the outgoing transmissions. O'Brien says most of them are sent to one place.

They send the coordinates to the defiant and suddenly lights go out. And that hand on your shoulder in that cut. Oh, my God. Freaked me out So creepy At first I didn't even notice it Like subliminally Not as much as it freaked me out

It was literally And just showing the hand and nothing else All you could think it was It was thing from the Adams family That was just right there on your shoulder Oh my God 100%. Yeah It was very creepy

Well at least I was stuck with column Yes My favorite person to be a baby person to be abandoned with. Yeah. Oh, well, at least I know I'll laugh. Well, on the bridge, they've lost contact with you. They can't get through the shields of this relay station.

Now it's now it's completely shielded. And they see three Gemahadar ships are heading their way. Yeah. Cisco wants to maybe phaser through the shields, but Terrell says they'll have to decloak. And Turul's like, let's get out of here. Leave them. Who cares about them? We got to get out of here.

Bashir does. Bashir cares. Bashir cares. Oh, and poor our man, Bashir. Oh, my gosh. Right. The sweetheart, his unrequited love and his best friend. Yeah.

Yes. Yes, exactly. Cisco says prepare to leave Orbit Major and the look that Bashir gives to Cisco when he says, commander, it's just you can just see. It's like, no, we do not leave my unrequited love interest and my best buddy. Unrequited. Unrequited. No, no, I don't mind.

But you often, you know, we rely on you to double check us. So I know you wouldn't want to hear that back. Exactly. So thank you. Unrequited love. Yes. Well, they head out. Cisco does decide, you know, the greater good is to get out of here and sacrifice.

And he trusts us. Yes. He does. I also think Avery's, when you're looking at his expression, expression. He's, he is also playing underneath that he doesn't want to leave him either. It's painful for him to do it. He did a good job. But what can he do? No, he can't. Yeah, you're right. It's the greater good because you can't all get, if you all get killed by the Gem Hadar, you can't come save us either. Exactly. Right. But he also feels like you're good enough with all of your lifetime worth of experiences to get out of any gnarly situation.

Yeah. And he's and he knows me. Yes. Well, and he, yeah, he knows that we're going to. We'll do what we can. Right. Yep. We come back from this break and he says that. He says, I trust that she's going to try to contact the founder. She's not going to just sit there and do nothing. Right.

Cisco calls Odo at this point. And Odo says he's indisposed. Oh, and he's so rude about it too. Yes. Yes, Odo. Is it rude or is he just preoccupied? Well, here's the thing. Didn't he say he was going to give his resignation?

And then he's coming on this. ride, right? So is he, did he give his resignation? Or is he still part of security? Because if he's still working security, he's being inappropriate. Yeah, he says, please find someone else to do that job. But he's now a civilian who's already quit. He was like, yeah. Please find someone else to do that. Yeah, he was mad. That's a pretty good Odo, Robbie. He's very grumpy Odo. Yeah. He needs a Snickers bar. He does. And Cisco says, you know what? Maybe I should go talk to him and Kira says, no, let me go talk to him. More Kira-Odo bonding.

And then they also pick up three more ships headed their way. So they stop. You know, Sisko says, bring us out a warp, cut main power. We'll wait here. So they think what they did before is going to work. Right. And Kira goes down to talk to Odo. Odo's studying star charts.

Obsessed. He's obsessed with these star charts. Obsessed. Right? He's obsessed. Oh, my God. How about this? He's mesmerized.

He's completely, where. He's lost all sense of reality. I don't think he cares about anything at this point, but that place to go to. That's it. He says he's looking at the Armarian Nebula and he's been pulled there. He's been drawn to this ever since they got in the Gamma Quadrant. And Kira says, you know, well, maybe we'll look into this after we meet the founders. That's where we're here.

And Odo's, he's like, no, now. Yeah. He really like a four years. year old temper tantrum. Yes. Like a... Really? I feel like I was in the grocery store.

I know I was... I don't remember what his age was. I can't remember his three or four, but he couldn't get his way. And I just left the entire cart. Yep. I left the entire cart. I said, okay, we're going home now. And it was my regular grocery store.

So I said to somebody my way out, I said, I'm so sorry. But I have... I have no choice. He didn't do it. I mean, there were only a couple times he had tantrums and they were both met. with calm and leaving wherever we were at. Good for you. That's what Kira should have done.

She didn't do that. And then there's an explosion and now she's under a bunch of debris. I just want to say, when he had the tantrum, I went immediately to a story that Robbie told me about raising his kids, how he had put his son, his middle son in the car. And he's putting the seatbelt on him. And the seatbelt thing snapped and hit his chest. You know, when it comes in, and he's screamed. He's like, you're trying to kill me. And he just flipped out.

And again, that happened when Robbie's trying to brush his, his, Kyle said, I'm not going to brush my teeth. He's like, you're going to brush your teeth right now. Kyle's like, no. Now, finally Robbie starts to help him brush his teeth. And he's now choking on the toothbrush and he's screaming. He's like, you're trying to kill me, daddy. Everything's about so intense.

And that's, Odo. He had an odo. Exactly. So that temper tantrum made me think of Kyle and Robbie's stories entirely. So, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Of course, he doesn't do that now. I mean, he's a responsible.

No, of course. Well, that's why you, that's why you don't get mad. No, you're the adult. You just move forward and don't accept that behavior by action. Yes. It's the best thing you can do. It's a pain in the ass because you've got to go back to the grocery store. Find your basket.

I'm pretty sure without him the second time. But. Well, Kira is trying very. hard, but Odo is just having a temper tantrum. Yeah. And then there's the big explosion with the bulkheads falling on them. And we cut to the bridge, big attack. Yeah, that was pretty scary.

When you think about being on the ship and you just never know when that might happen. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It was very scary. This was a big attack. Yeah. Kim Friedman got some really, some top-notch shaking out of everybody in this episode.

Yeah. And the cameraman. And yeah. Yeah. Martha Hackett says, or Terul says, she thinks they've found a way to penetrate the cloak. Cisco says, all right, turn it off. Let's start fighting. Prepare to fire. Because when you have the cloak on, we all know, there's no shields. You cannot use your weapons.

Exactly. Oh, and you can't use weapons either. So you have to turn the cloak off to raise the shields and use the weapons. Yep. The weapons on the USS Defiant, we get to hear them for the first time. They feature a very heavy machine gun type of sound effect. but all other episodes in this series involving the defiant firing its weapons uses a different sound effect from this episode. So just this episode, they were testing what they liked, yeah. So later they use the sound effect which sounds like a cross between a phaser and a cannon.

So that's the new sound instead of a machine gun sounding episode. Oh, interesting. Sound sound, yeah. We tweak until we get it right. Yeah, clearly. Well, there's a major battle scene here. And, of course, because Dax isn't there, they don't have a pilot. So who else did pilot the ship, but the doctor?

Bashir. The sheer. I know, isn't that great? Like, everybody can do everything, so what's so special? Like, are you kidding me? Besheer, the doctor? In a battle. He's a submarine.

He's not going down to the grocery store. He's like, yeah, yeah. The Red Baron. The Red Baron. But the Defiant has some pretty good weapons that sound like machine guns in this episode and it blows up, it does blow up one of the Gem Hadar ships.

That's right. Thank goodness. So the Defiance got some good weapon, better than the Odyssey had in the last episode, that giant starship couldn't take on the Gem Hadar. But Defiance got some of the ship. And we needed that because it did look like from the last episode that it was a hopeless battle.

And so to see one get destroyed by the defiance weapons gives the audience a little hope. Oh. Yep. Yeah, that was pretty awful. Yep. Two are left, though. And so Cisco yells to the pilot, the doctor, use evasive pattern delta five. Yeah, of course.

That'll do it. And Bashir will know what that is because he's not a pilot. And he practices all the time. Yeah. In the holoswee. I'm going to say this, when Bashir was at Starfleet Academy, one of his upper division elective classes was evasive maneuvers. So he knows that.

So he knew Delta 5. Yeah. Maybe everybody has to take a little class on evasive maneuvers. Maybe they do. Because you never know who's going to end up having to pilot. Exactly. I don't know. You do have the, all joking aside, the computer can do it.

Yes, that's true. I mean, the computer can do it. it. Because remember when, just in that last episode of the end of the second season, when ROM and Jake are on the runabout, and the computer says, what's the code? It's like, he can't do it only because he doesn't know his dad's code. So, you know, there's a lot of workarounds, I imagine. I would think so. Well, I mean, if there's an autopilot feature on a shuttle, I'm sure there's an auto fighting button or sequence

simulator on auto something right everything is automatic at that point you could well great then I didn't have a job on Voyager I guess they didn't need a pilot they could have just said computer fly the ship well I think it's always better with the person you are taking it personally right now Robbie I just this is my first day on my new job

and now the guy I won't date is flying my ship Exactly, sitting in your seat. I think I'm handling it remarkably well. You are much better than me. Oh, boy. We cut back down to Odo and Kira. Odo's helping pull off debris and get her out from underneath the bulkhead, and they head off to the bridge. We cut back up to the bridge.

There is a crewman dead in the scene. We see somebody's died. Did we see him before or no? I don't know. Honestly, the first time I thought I saw him was him lying on the floor dead, and I thought, where did he come from? Yeah. Okay. I guess there must be some more people besides our regulars that had to come on the ship, right?

Right. And he was wearing red. So that was back to an homage of the original series. The red shirt dies. Red shirts. Well, on the bridge, we find more Jim Hedar approaching. Things are getting bad. Cisco tries to take off.

He says to Turole, where's my warp power? And she can't get the phase inductors to align. so they can't go to warp. So he says, full impulse, let's just get out of here. And down in the corner, when Odo and Kira heading back, Odo wants to go to a shuttle. He wants to go to a shuttle and get out of there. Kira wants to go to the bridge.

Yeah, our duty is to stay in the bridge. And he says, if main power's out, then the shields are out. And this ship is defenseless. We should bail out of here, get in the shuttle. But that's when the Gem-Hadar beam in. There's just a little hand-to-hand fighting. Back up on the bridge, more hand-to-hand fight. Fighting, Kira shows up.

Well, the Gem-Hadar, don't they beam out to the bridge first? And then after Kira and Oda have their little conversation about the runabout, then they... It's all intercut. I can't remember. But the Gem-Hadar just, they're... Yeah, it's just like, uh-oh, oh, oh, yeah. There's so much going on. But the one thing I did track that I thought was odd was to rules at a console at one point.

She's trying to do something and she's tapping. And all of a sudden, it blows out. And she flies back. Then later in the fight thing, she's back at the same console, which is completely pristine and she's tapping more commands. I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. Oh, maybe they intercut things out of sequence. Out of sequins. And I was like, you can't show a blown out panel.

Out of sequins. Yeah. So it is what it is. Sequins. It's not like you said sequins. As in a little sequence, like shiny stuff. Sparkling things. All right.

Yeah, you have to have sequins if you want to fight the Gemha. The Gemma, see, that blinds them. You have a uniform sequence. They can't see. The Gemahadar, I'm like, can't see. Or the Gemahdardar so into the fabulousness of all Sequin uniform that they just stop in all looking, watching. The Gemahar like disco. We know that.

I just say something, too. I'm going to just say something. Go, go. It is remarkable that in 10, maybe this was shot in 14 because we had back-to-back episodes. That was a two-parter, so I don't know. But on average, about a 10-day shoot to do this high action, lots of special effects, lots of fight scenes. It's incredible the production value and how well everything gets put together, all things considered. It's no wonder people are just like, wow, that looks amazing.

Yeah. Because, you know, if you had the time you had to do it. Yes, it's so incredibly. I feel like on our show we had seven day shoots or seven or eight days per episode and then a second unit to do inserts and things. Terry, I have a question for you. Yeah. Yeah.

When you were in scenes where stuff was getting blown up and sparks were happening, did you ever get kind of singed by the sparks hitting your skin? No, they're always far enough away that I didn't have an issue. God. We did. Robbie and I all the time. We were burned the entire time. Oh, we got little sparks hitting.

We had the good team. I guess you did. We had the A team. I guess you had the A team. I did fall and hurt myself and learned very quickly to not say anything and just go for another take and then deal with whatever was, you know, blood coming down my leg or whatever because if everybody stops to try to fix whatever it is, it takes a lot longer than it does. You just just suck it up and go for that second.

I mean, my, I remember once falling and hitting into, I slipped and hit into an edge. When that episode comes up, I won't forget it. But it took the, gave me an egg and took skin as I. Oh. Yeah. And you just went and did a second take right away? Yes, because I could tell. I, my name said, we should have called you Grace because seriously I was very much a klutz.

So I get hurt I have lots of scars on my knees On my hands My shins What a team player for you to go through And still do that scene That's incredible Honestly

Oh you're so sweet No because you're gonna have to do it anyway But you were believing though But it's being prudent It's like well I was wearing It's black wool you can't see it Okay And it was better

I didn't break anything Other than skin Right That's true I don't know. It just seems really smart to just keep going as best you can. I know that doesn't work all ways. I mean, if I broke my leg, obviously, I would have stopped. Yeah. I'm surprised nobody got hurt in this sequence because this sequence was rough. I mean, it was really intense. A lot of the hand-to-hand fighting, if you noticed, it's clear that we learn from

this episode that the most effective way to deal with the gem and it are in hand-to-hand fighting is to use the two-handed Kirk everybody everyone used the two-hander was that hilarious the two-hander okay it made sense when then i was doing it because i mean kira she's the slight she's tough but she's still a woman and she's and she's slender she's not super tall she's slender she's a slight woman yeah and she's she's a slight woman yeah and She needs to use both hands. She had a, yeah. But everyone was using it.

Everybody used it. Everybody used it. Was that a Kirk thing? Was that an original series? It's an original series thing. But this is literally the most ineffective way to fight somebody. I'm going to tell you right now in real life. If you try to do this.

If you don't break your fingers? You're going to break your fingers? Yes. Because the finger that's the closest. This one right here is going to end up getting broken when you, yes. Multiple times. 1,000% correct on that. Yeah, you're crushing it.

Right. It's terrible. But in the world of Star Trek, it is the most effective thing. Do they know not to do this when they Fight. Yeah, they're probably doing that when they punch, too. They're sticking their thumb right in the inside, which is going to break your thumb. So, yeah. But in Star Trek, it works perfectly. But in real life, ladies and gentlemen, please do not use the two-handed. Yeah. Trying to defend yourself. But let's just not get in that situation. Yes. Try not to have a hand-to-hand. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Kira does take the last phaser hit that we see and falls into a close-up on the ground. Yep. And then there's this nice kind of dissolve.

I like this transition because she's out on the ground kind of fades to black and then comes back up. In the same kind of frame, she's waking up, which I thought was very, very cool. The transition, yeah. Yeah, she's waking up inside the shuttle, Odo's piloting. Again, everybody can pilot. I guess Odo can pilot. I guess you're going to, wait, wait, wait, just a thought. It's like we all know how to drive a car.

I don't want to drive a semi, but if we're push gun, to shove him. You need someone to drive it. I'm all in. Good to know. But I imagine that if you can't be driving a car, a runabout can't possibly be that far from something that maybe everybody should kind of have an idea of how to do. The basics. Yeah. Okay. Robbie's just taking it personally because he feels like he's obsolete. You're very special. You're very special. You're very special, Paris. Thank you. And you're a big weirdo for taking it. it personally. Well, Odo, Odo's piloting, like everybody else can, and he says, tells Kira, the

defiant was surrounded by the enemy when they escaped. Kira asked, where are we? And Odo says the O'Maryan nebula. And then Kira picks up a rogue planet in the O'Marian nebula. Odo is very focused on this. There's a Class M planet, no star system. A rogue planet? Yes, Odo, that's where he wanted to go.

That's what he's been drawn to. Yeah. So we cut down to the planet's surface. They've landed. They're walking through some rocks and things. They get to the shore of this kind of gooey lake or pond or something. This wild viscosity happening. But it's the same, it's the same goo as what he turns into when his resting state.

You see it's the same exact same. I think that was intentional. Yes. Oh, I think so. Yes. It's a tell. Right. It reminds you right away when you see the pond surface.

Yeah. Kind of. That's a bunch of. Undulating, yes. I don't think I've used the word undulating in the podcast yet. Ever? Well, you just did it now. The undulating goo.

It worked. Yes, thank you. Yeah, we see three figures, though, right? Is it three that come out of the water? Something like that. And then a fourth. Maybe a four. And they walk up.

The fourth. Yes. The fourth. That's her name. Salomey. The fourth. Salome Gens is the one that comes up and says, Welcome home.

And here's this. Here's my problem with this. I don't understand why. We know that Odo fashioned his face and hair off of his Bajoran science guy that he was doing it. I thought the same thing. Keep going. Salome Jens should not look anything like Odo, but she looks like Odo's cousin or sister because it's exactly the same hair, the same face, the same whatever. So then I thought to validate this, maybe Salomey Jens and the other shapeshifters wanted to make Odo feel comfortable.

so they copied what that's what I thought is that what I thought yeah that's what I thought too that they before they were completely formed yeah they saw him or they saw him yeah or they're taken on this form we'll take on the same to make him feel comfortable right like every other alien movie where they say well I'm only taking or devil thing where they're saying I take this form because you're most comfortable with it kind of thing yes that's what it was okay yeah to be continued to be continued to be continued. My goodness. And I didn't even watch the second one yet because I thought I would get too confused. Yeah, I haven't watched it either. I already. I was just like I'm terrified. I'm sorry guys. I jumped ahead and watched it. It's, yeah. I'm not going to say anything. What's the theme and the moral, the lesson of this episode, Robbie McNeil. What did you get? I got from this. This was a hard one because it was so much action and there was a lot of storylines.

and season premiere. But the thing that kind of echoed with me the most is Odo's story. And the idea that your true home, the place you really belong, is always going to have a strong pull because I can relate to that, you know, that I, it's, you know, even in the years that I left, you know, my family and home went to New York City or California or whatever, I always felt like that place that I came from, just there's something about it that feels comforting when I go there, when I go to visit family. It feels like, oh, yeah, this has got a pull somewhere deep inside of me.

Okay. Yeah. I'm always going to have a pull. That's my lesson. Terry, any lesson that you wouldn't divulge? I don't know exactly why I came up with this, but I just felt like you got to think outside the box came up for me. Some of it I think was the defiant. Maybe Odo too, like he's following his instincts right now rather than doing a logical red tape.

going through that, looking for his peace, he's trusting his instincts. But anyway, yeah, color outside the line, think outside the box. Yeah. Yeah, it was hard for me as well. I was sitting here going, what can I get out of this? And I kept thinking more about Cisco, even taking on this mission. And this mission is to inform the founders that we come in peace is what it is. And so he literally went on a mission that is against all odds because the chances of him, Not making it to the end is pretty great when dealing with the gemadar and going into an unknown gamma quadrant and trying to find an unknown location of the founders. So, yeah, just sticking with your principles, no matter what the outside world or the outside influences are trying to point you into another, you know, to go in another direction. So I guess sticking to your, I don't know if I'd say sticking to your guns, that's not the right word.

Instincts. Sticking to your, yeah, yeah. Heart? Listen to your gut. Yeah. Sticking by your principles, I suppose, is what kind of drove him to go onto this mission to begin with. And a lot of times people will, their principle or their idea will be an unpopular one to other people. People will say, well, that's stupid or that's not going to work.

And again, as human beings, we've heard, all of us have heard that at one point in our lives with our careers. It's like, that's not going to happen or people. There's a lot of doubters around. So I guess the lesson is to sort of turn down the volume and all the doubters around you is my lesson. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I like that too.

Okay. Thank you. The winner of the Patreon poll for moral theme of the episode is submitted by Ann. Odo looks like an adult, but he's really an adolescent. And he's got a lot of maturing and self-discovery ahead. Hmm. Nice. More of a commentary than a theme or lesson.

Yeah. People who have had severe trauma or, you know, addicts, when that addiction starts, their growth. And they get stuck. They get stuck, yeah. And then when they get healthy and they get recovery, then that is part of their recovery is picking up where they left off. I like that theme or that commentary in a way because it's a reminder. that all of us have some growing to do, just like Odo. He thinks he's grown up, but, you know, we may think we're all grown up and we've

learned, you know, we've figured it all out, but there's always some more growth to be having. Yeah, and Port Odo had this, he felt like he was in charge. Yeah. Which must have felt like delusional because it's being stripped away from him. Somebody else is in charge and, oh, that has to be so maddening for him. Yeah. Real tough.

I can't wait for part two. Mm-hmm. Well, thank you, everyone, for tuning in to our recap and discussion of Search Part 1. Join us next time, and we will be recapping and discussing the Search Part 2 with Terry yet again. So thank you again to Terry for joining us for Search Part 1. Thank you, Terry. Thank you. Yes, we'll see all of you next time. For all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material. See ya. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, everybody. I'm