The Delta Flyers - The Search Part II

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode, The Search, Part 2, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, & Terry Farrell.The Search, Part 2: Tensions escalate when it appears the Federation has handed over DS9 and the entire Bajoran sector to the Dominion.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, & Sean T.Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Michelle Z, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Danie Crofoot, Steve Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, & Chris GarisAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Mark Lacey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Robert Allen Stifflerf, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Zackery Voss, Loretta Reyes, Timothy McMichens, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, & Douglas Lawrence-Plant, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, & James VanhaerentsThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Part two. We survived part two. Yeah. Oh, really? That's a differing opinion from what I have. You just said survive, which means I feel like it was an ordeal for you, Terry. A little. Okay.

Wow. Good. Let it all out. A little. We're going to wait to hear it. I know. Yes. Because there's stuff I know.

That's going to happen later. That made it confusing for me and not in a great way in like a, wait a minute. This doesn't make sense. Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I can't wait until we get to ratings in the bonus. Same, same, same.

Someone's going to see what I saw. Okay. No one is. I believe it. I believe you, a thousand percent. Netpick department's going to go, huh? I wonder if this conversation today. today is going to lower my rating on this episode.

No, Robbie. I can't do it. I can't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. This may be the highest rating I've ever rated anything. Influencing. It may be the lowest that Terry's ever writing.

I like the episode. Don't get me wrong. Okay. Can you get, do you guys notice anything about me that's different today? You're wearing white? Yes. No. White on white.

Raiders. No, no, no. Just I'm all white. It's all white. I chose this ensemble because this. episode is like a rebirth for me. This is like, oh, this is like now, now it's on. It is on.

Like, I feel like they talk about all Star Trek having, it takes a season or two to get their feet underneath them. This is the point. The feet are underneath. This, it's going. So, yeah, I love this. So you're celebrating with all white. I'm celebrating with the all white look.

Wow. I like it. Yeah. I like it too. Well, now that you're reborn. Yes. Now that you're reborn, let's talk about. Let's talk about when these people were born on their birthday.

Yes. What a great segue. What a perfect. Sorry. Our first birthday is Mark Hamilton on November 18th. Happy birthday, Mark. Happy birthday, Mark. Day before my birthday.

I was frozen solid right there because I thought you said Mark Hamill. I go, Mark Hamill is one of our... Fun. Okay. No. Yeah. He's equally impressed with you, Mark. Happy birthday, Mark.

Hamilton. Normandy has a birthday on November 20th, the day after my birthday. Happy birthday, Normandy. Happy birthday, Normandy. Happy birthday to Normandy in Portugal. Wow. She's in Lisbon. She's in Lisbon. Let's go visit her. That sounds exciting. I think we should all venture. Agreed. Next up we have Steve Lugo. Steve, happy birthday to you, November 23rd. Happy birthday, Steve. Happy birthday, Steve, on November 23rd. And also on November 23rd, our last birthday today is for Chris Garris. Another November 23rd.

Happy birthday, Chris. Happy birthday, Chris. Happy birthday, Chris. I also want to say a happy birthday to my stepdaughter, Keeley, November 12th. Oh. Happy birthday, Keele. Three days after you, Robbie. Yes.

How many days before? for Terry then? Is she sweet 16? Yes. Yes. See, Aunt T's paying attention. You are paying attention. I am.

That's a big deal. Well, it's time for our poetry synopsis. And that would mean Robbie's Limerick, and I'm not sure. Did you have another one for today? I have a poem. It doesn't rhyme, and it's kind of long. That's all right. That's all right.

I'm working on rewriting it and my head started a break so I stopped. Well, then you can give us a partial poem or partial. You could just wrap it. Wrap it. I could just wrap it. Just sing it country style, please.

Just a little country. Everyone needs a little country in their life. All right. Limerick time. Let's go. Here we go. The search part two. Odo learns about his changeling link.

Cisco's love of Starfleet begins to shrink. Odo gets past a door For now they avoid war Odo learns Home depends on how you think Ooh doggie Bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam Yeah you guys think you hit that out of the park store

That was nice thank you thank you Yeah very much so That was like a show Hey Atani home run You just knocked it out there Okay thank you Thank you yeah The desires and the longing pulling us drawing us in to belong with a natural innate connection to beings like us.

This hope of a magical connection drives us to quench our thirst, to put out the torturing rumination to the existential crisis. Where do I belong? Why am I here? Who am I in the universe? Only to discover after the awakening I created my family. I was already home. safe and sound oh that's great i like that are you sure yeah that's moving that was very moving what are the first

what's the very first line it's it says desire what is the very beginning of it uh the desire and the longing pulling us drawing us in you began with the ah there you know what i'm saying that that that drew me in immediately yeah and also with and with your voice yes your voice with my voice yeah what Ah, the desires. Immediately we dove into that with you. Oh, yay. Smart choice. I love it.

Yeah. Very good. You're very kind. Okay. You are welcome. How's your haiku, Garrett? Not so good, but, you know, that's what it is. Let's hear it.

I'm sure it's great. All right. Here we go. And my haiku for the search, part two. Odo's first smile. Dream Life. Cisco the rebel Station family

I like the haiku because it's abstract it's minimalist yeah yeah it is and I said I turned up the first line because I wasn't sure

if we've seen him smile before this point because this was I don't think we have I've never seen him happy I think there were two more lines I see now what that means oh yeah

my alternate middle line was I said, Odo's first smile, dream life where Cisco rebels. Okay, that was my alternate middle line. And first time, it was Dream Life, Cisco, the Rebel. So I don't know which one you guys like that. Oh, that one. I do too. Dream Life, the Rebel.

Yeah. Instead of Dream Life where Cisco rebels, not so much. Yeah. Okay, cool. See, that's where I wish I had more time to edit mine. Yeah, I was like, am I over explaining? No, no, it was great. But I do feel like this is the first time that he,

smiles because every other time we see him, he's pretty grumpy or he's giving quark a bad time, right? Is it Terry? That's it. Oh, my God. How do you do that? I'm sorry. For those of you who are just listening to the podcast and not be able to see, if you subscribe at the Lutonitia, you can see Terry, you can see Terry's impersonation of the Odo smile, which just, she knocked it out of the park. It was another Otani run right there.

I don't know how you did that. Goodness. Don't know. But the last ad said... I can't even do it. I know. I'm trying. You try it, Robbie.

I'm trying. My face is too furry, Robbie. You're like a teddy bear. Once again, Salome Gens as the main female changeling. And Drew Robinson is Garrick, of course. Martha Hackett as to rule. Kenneth Marshall as Michael Eddington. Natalia Nogulich as Lina Natchif.

and William Frank Father as male changeling, his first and only appearance in Star Trek. And that's a really interesting last name. I kept thinking it was Frank Furter, but it's not its Frank Father. And also Dennis Christopher as Boroth. When we were watching this, when he first introduced himself, Megan was like, Borat?

I go, not Borat. And immediately, I started imagining that actor in the Borat green one-piece swimsuit. Dennis Christopher, wearing a green one-piece swimsuit. He also appeared in the Star Trek Enterprise episode Detained. That's Dennis's Star Trek exposure. Dennis Christopher, I loved that actor. He was in a film called Breaking Away.

Oh, one of your favorite films, Robbie. One of my favorite films of all time that I must have seen the summer of 1980 or whatever summer that was. I must have seen it a dozen times in the movie theaters. It's incredible. You loved that film. I loved it. I would go to like the 50 cent matinees or the.

The dollar matinees, raking away. The story by Ira Stephen Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolf. I've heard of them. Yes. They're fabulous. Yeah, I hear they're pretty good. They're pretty good. I hear they know how to write a line or two.

Now we have Ira Stephen Bear who wrote the teleplay. So story by Ira and Robert and teleplays by just Ira alone. And directed by none other than Mr. Jonathan Friggs is this very, this is his very, very first episode of Deep Space Nine that he directed. right here. Well, he's been on TNG, which was running, so he couldn't direct anything else until he, until TNG went off the air. So that makes sense. Right. But he did direct. Didn't he direct TNG as well, though? He did. Yeah. Yeah. To begin with. Yeah. I've hardly ever had anything to do anytime he's directed. This is probably the time I had them. The most. The most. And I've not been in this episode very much. But wow. He's so much fun. He's down to earth. He's straightforward.

word. If he doesn't like something, I remember him saying, like, does anybody else smell that? Let's go again. He's so fun. You know, like, you can do better than that. You can do better than that. Just I love how just straightforward, no nonsense, but a sense of humor, no big deal. Everybody makes mistakes.

And that's what we have another take. There's just like such a great freeing atmosphere when you have a director that's, that casual about it. And if he has something important to tell you, he's going to pull you aside and have that conversation. So, you know, you're not embarrassed or, you know, that it's private between him and the other actor. And I just really respect the hell out of him. And he's a genuine gentleman. He's just, he's a mensch. He's a great guy. Yeah. Well, I want to say I'm also, So, yes, I'm also wearing white to commemorate two other births because of this episode, Frank's directing this episode, enabled it for him to be hired as the director of First Contact. So it's a birth of his directing a feature film, yes.

And because of this episode and him being selected to direct First Contact, he then had a back out of Voyager's Sacred Ground, which gave birth to Robbie McNeil's directing career. So this is the birth episode. Wow, what an interesting layers of kismet going on here. Yeah, it's like the, it's like the pebble. You drop into the pond and all the waves going out, how they affect everything. And look at this. The butterfly. Or the butterfly, yes, the butterfly effect.

Yeah, we start this episode on the planet surface back where we left off. Odo's about to meet his people, you know, the people like him, asks a ton of questions. Kira even says, I love when she's like, this isn't a police investigation, Odo. I know. He was like asking them. in his sort of angry, you know, sharp way, yeah. Yeah, he wasn't being like, oh, can I find he open and curious? No.

No. He's so used to that. That's why. He's interrogating them. Yeah. It's very funny. You're my people who says. Yeah.

Prove it to me. Yeah. And he learns a little bit about the link because she holds out her hand at one point. So Odo takes her hands and then their hands and their arms sort of blend in together. and kind of combine, I guess. So he's, and he's overwhelmed. Did you see his reaction? He's like, he was really, really stunned.

It's also interesting. He was looking up at the sky. Yeah, yeah. He was definitely in another zone. But it's interesting that the other male changeling behind the female changeling says, what are you doing? And he's like, it's not time. He isn't ready.

So I don't know what that refers to, but there's obviously something going on. and a story there that the writers know about. But she replies it. And he could simply be worried about him being overwhelmed by the onslaught of information that's going to come out. Yeah. Okay. It's also a hint that, spoiler alert, but we're going to find out who these changelings are by the end of this. Yes.

Very good point. There's some stuff that the changelings know that they maybe don't want Odo to know about yet. correct right yeah makes sense so maybe that's what that reference is I think you're well the good news is he was so overwhelmed he didn't pick up on all the other little yeah it is important yes the little details like fireworks we go to a like a shuttle pod I guess it's an escape pod or something that Cisco after this is going Bashir in this yes escape pod kind of thing an escape pod that looks just like a regular shuttle though inside But it doesn't look like one of our runabouts.

So this is what I was talking about when we first said good morning to each other. That made me go, mm-mm. That's the wrong back. This is not ours. Where are we? Right. Well, the logic would be that they escaped the defiant, right? In some kind of escape pod?

Escape pod or a shuttle. That's true. That's true. So maybe it's an escape pot I've never seen before. Well, you guys haven't shown an escape pod. before this. And you definitely haven't even shown a shuttle. Not even a shuttle. You guys only have run about it. I'm just used to shut a craft.

Shuttercraft. Shuttercraft. I don't know what this one was, but it wasn't when I recognized. And that made my little hairs go, hmm, hold on. Something's off. Well, they're in some mystery pod thing. The systems are failing. This is not good for them.

And suddenly it gets like a bump or something. They wonder, is it a tractor beam? tractored but the hatch opens and there's decks and miles they say and they're all smiles yeah and what the actual F yes because that's how we we look pristine we look great we look happy yes I it made no sense to me well also yeah it makes no sense because I thought you guys I thought that Cisco and Bashir were in space you know I'm saying they were traveling right I mean it makes it so They haven't gone through the wormhole yet. They're still on the gamma quadrant side.

If you open up the hatch, then they're going to be sucked into space. But it looks like when the hatch is open, you're already in a shake gut or something. That there's an airlock attached to the whatever the escape hatches. That I got when they heard the thump. That I understood. And just the way everyone is. We're not like, oh my God, how are you guys okay? No.

Just like, hey. Yeah. But the hay part, honestly, was so relaxed. I thought, oh, this is them shooting a scene of them shooting a scene. This is like showing how the sausage is made of the actors are going to like visiting. And they're like, hey, what's up guys? Like that. I thought. Listen to that. I felt very lighthearted. Yes. The wrong tone. Yeah. It didn't seem to match where we left off with them on the defiant with all hell breaking loose. Right. Yeah. So, Terry, so for you, you see the interior of this vessel. And you're, you're. you're like, nope, that's not right. Then it opens up and you guys are like, hey, what's up? Like, just like nothing's gone on, right? Almost so casual.

Benjamin, I can't believe you're safe. I mean, it's the wrong dialogue. It's the wrong vibe. Even if we have been saved at Deep Space 9 and everything's Cherry Pie, it just seems like we would be, this is not how our characters would normally react to see each other when we don't know if you're okay. not. Right. But as an audience, all right, as an audience member watching this for the first time, I honestly, because the first episode, there was so much battling and so much violent and

aggression happening in that scene and smoke and everything, this was like a, oh, it was like, I had a chance to breathe and I didn't question it. I didn't question it. They were safe. I was like, okay, they're smiling, they're happy. That's fine. I'm not going to question it. So I think that transition from the prior episode to this one didn't, it didn't immediately make me think, something's going on here, you know. I think you need to work on being a little more skeptical. Okay. Yes.

At the end, O'Brien and Dax say to them, you know, we're going to take you back to DS9. That's our orders. And Benjamin, you can't, you're not going to believe the great things happening. So it was very weird. Yeah. Twilight Zone. We just left them in a giant battle.

Everyone's dying. And now they're super happy and things are great. And things are great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't see big decisions being made without the man who's still a commander, not a captain, can't shave his head, is going to be super excited about big changes happening without his input. Yes. I don't know. Call me crazy. But I've known Cisco longer than y'all. Yes. I am. I believe you. We go back to the planet surface with Odo and Kira. There's plants. There's these kind of glowing, like. like lamps, I guess.

It's beautiful, isn't it? It is very pretty. It's very pretty. Yeah. My feeling was when I saw this planet surface that maybe James Cameron was watching this episode when he, before he filmed Avatar and that whole planet surface. It did feel very avatar. Didn't it?

Yeah. And it was way before Avatar. Way before. So it's very possible James Cameron was watching this episode. Yeah? This is going to be my planet surface. I don't know. That's true.

I love the idea of him watching us, though. would be nice. I do too. Kira tells Odo, you know, awesome, you're home, Odo, but this isn't my home and they don't trust me. And that's when the female changeling arrives, tells them they can't send any message that they might be discovered because the changelings, the story that they've told is that, you know, they were not treated well and they had to hide. And so the story they're telling is like, don't send any messages. We don't want to be found again because we'll be abused or something, you know, taken over. Right. Yeah. It's interesting because she...

That didn't feel hinky to me. That felt like, yeah, they like their solitude. Yeah, I'd buy that too. But the way she showed up was, Kira says, on the one they don't trust, don't trust, not you. And then the female changeling is like, a perceptive major. So I feel like she was a mushroom or a rock or something right there. Yeah, that's kind of, ooh, I didn't think of that. It's a little creepy. It's like, wow, you were there. Yeah, she's just magically there. You're just there. But I do like how she refers to humans as solids. I do too.

And also she says our name for moniforms like yourself. So that's another name for a solid. Monoforms. Yeah. They can only have one form. It's so it's, I don't know. Is it offensive to call someone a moniform? That sounds like a description.

Yeah. So probably, yeah. And solids, also just a description. Solids. I think so. Yeah. But she said changelings was offensive, and they owned it. And then they owned it. Yeah, they owned the word. So there is a- It made it theirs. Yes.

Because it was a racial slur. It was. Yes. I think that that was kind of great, actually, that she described that because we had that episode way back when the holograph village, and he found out that they thought changelings were just myths and fairy tales. That's right. Mm-hmm. So it connects back to that. Yeah.

Yeah. That's why she's saying you can't send messages is they're trying to stay isolated. They want to stay safe and isolated, yeah. We value our isolation. Yeah, it made sense to me that they wanted to stay safe and isolated, so don't send any messages. And I love her portrayal of this character. Yeah, I do too. Because I feel safe.

No, and it changed colors and there was puckering. Yeah, her makeup was not. I didn't like that she, the tone in her skin changed a lot. There's one scene towards the end where it was like brown makeup. It was like, what the heck happened? And she was in the previous shot in another location and it wasn't that color. And then suddenly it's a different color. Yeah, like radically different.

Yes. Clearly, she did not have the same makeup artist. Yeah, Odo had a different makeup artist than whoever she had. Otherwise, it would have been better. They must have been running at a time. I just don't see it. Because there's no way that would have been like, yeah, let's film this. Yeah.

Where they filmed it first and they went, ooh, that doesn't look good. Yeah. It could have been that. The female changeling does ask Odo if he's made good use of the Arboretum. And Odo says, Odo says, oh, in what way? And she says, by assuming the various shapes surrounding you, Odo's completely confused. He doesn't know why he would want to do that. And she's like, well, this is, this is how you get to know what something, what something is.

Yeah, to be a thing. To be a thing. Oh, I like that, though. Because that made me think of Merlin. Oh, yes. Or, yeah. King Arthur into a fish or into a bird. It's like, oh, my God.

Yes. And the female changeling says, well, living among the solids has damaged your, has damaged you far worse than I realized. It's left you ignorant of the gifts you possess. So basically she's telling him, you've got to reach inside. You have the potential to really experience what it's like to be everything around you, which is, I think that's amazing to be. And how about bigger to be you. Yes. You are learning how to experience how to be you. And I am trying to hold your hand and show you how to play with that so that you can experience your potential. She hands him a rock and he's very pensive. That scene about that. Yeah. It looked like a crystal. Yeah, the rock. It looked like a crystal to me, though. Okay, the crystal. Which I thought, I thought that. I have a little, a tiny bit of shimmer. Yeah. I liked it.

The crystalline rock, yes. Yeah. Well, Odo does say at the end, with his rock crystal or whatever, he says to Kira, you know, I need some privacy. I'd like to be alone. I like how he asks for privacy. Yes. He asks for it in a very kind of, it's like a little painful to ask for it, but he's respecting himself and he doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

He's very consistent about this when he asks for time to himself. Yep. I like that. Well, Kira says she's going to go try to send a message like she did when she was in the resistance, the Bajoran resistance, she can camouflage this message so it won't be able to be read. So the thing the female said, like, don't send any messages. She's like, I'm going to send a message, but it's going to be fine because I'm going to hide it. No one can intercept it. I love that.

Yeah. And all I thought of was, okay, while you're doing that, every piece of foliage around you, could be a changeling what is listening to you listening to you gosh that would make me worried about having to go pee in the bushes yes because well you start peeing at a changeling but you're hiding as a philodendrum you may get urine on you that's all there is to it so oh boy well you don't want me to pick a leaf off either to use it as yeah no well we go to the corridor next where Cisco's arriving back at DS9, Admiral Nicheyev. Nachiaev?

Nachiav. Nchiav. She's there. Says his mission was a success. The founders have come to the Alph Quadrant. They've agreed to a treaty. And Dax and O'Brien were handed over to the founders. They convinced them that they wanted peace, that Starfleet wanted peace.

So it does sort of answer the question of what happened on the defiant. Because here, the Admiral saying they were captured. They were handed over to the founders, but then they did their part and said, yeah, fight you. Let's have a piece. That helped me a lot. Yeah. I still felt like.

Something was off. Yeah, a little hinky. Yeah. The Admiral also tells Cisco, one of the founders wants to see you as soon as possible, as soon as you return, which seemed interesting. Yeah, but the Ford isn't the founders. Correct. So when he walks in the door and he sees,

What's his name? Borath. Borath. So then Cisco goes into his quarters, right? Is that where Borath is waiting? Yep. No, in Borath's quarters, I think. Okay, good.

Okay, good. Yes, Borath's guest quarters. Don't let somebody in my... Yeah, don't let them in my quarters. And right when when Cisco walks in the door and we see Borath, I'm like, that's not a founder. Correct. But of course, I know that. You know that.

But at the audience, we don't know that. So they're, again, setting us on that wild goose chase. That's the thing. This tracked for me. It tracked perfectly for me. And it didn't track for me because I know. Because you already know all the answers. Okay.

Okay. I thought I was given the information so that, like, isn't everybody going, what the heck is going on? No. Not yet. So this is why my brain was breaking. Clearly. But of all of us students here, you're the student with all the test answers.

You already have the answer. I know, only it was 30 years ago, so it's hard to remember. I understand a thousand percent. Yeah, at this point. I would be, I'd be just like you too. I'd be like, what, what? I already know this is the right thing. So, yeah.

Yeah, so what's going on? They know the Vorda or Boston around the gem hadar in some way. Right. So they could be the founders. They think, you know, Molly Hagan did the magical disappearance on the in ops. He just had a creepy vibe. Didn't Borath had a creepy, snoddy. Yeah, in a way.

Entitled vibe. In a way. Yeah, like she did too. Right. So clearly that race, or at least the ones we've been introduced to. Yeah. Are a bit creepy. They're great for Halloween.

But other than that. Yes. Okay. And after the way she said goodbye, the last time we saw her two shows ago, I wouldn't have been excited to see her again. No. No, because she said, you have no idea what's about to happen. Yeah.

You have no idea what has begun. Yeah. Can't wait until we meet again. Yeah. What has began? It was a threat. She tapped her wrist and disappeared. Yeah.

Well, Boraf is creepy in here, but he's basically saying that Dominion was just trying to protect itself. That's why Aris couldn't reveal who she was before. Right. That felt like it made sense. Yeah. And did you notice he walks around him and then gets right up to his nose? Who walks around?

Borath. Borath? Walks around Cisco and then gets right up in close talking. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he's saying... But he was much shorter than Cisco. Yeah, he was. Yeah. But he does say this treaty is going to be really good for everybody, for both sides. But that close talking felt very threatening to me. So I didn't feel like this is going to be good for them. No. We go to the promenade next on the upper level. Garrick is there, welcoming Bashir. He missed him. He says, I missed you. Aw. What a cute couple. Yeah, and what was fun, too, that end of the promenade, we don't usually see it, so to see it walled up and made part of the normal set, I thought, looked super cool.

That was for me. Oh, cool. It was cool, yeah. I have trouble, like, figuring out the geography. It's a little disorienting sometimes on the promenade, but that's cool. Yeah, that was at the back of the stage facing that alleyway at Paramount. Yeah. Let me read this to both of you.

In this scene where Bashir is intercepted by Garrick upon arriving back at the station, in the background, the end of the set can be seen as the walkway and its railing end abruptly. In addition, the whole promenade background seems to be sloping down. This is only partially concealed by the Gem Hadar standing in front. So there's some things that you can catch, yeah, very closely. I like it because they imagine that that's where... um like where all the rooms start where all the quarters and orders start yeah sorry my pause was trying to like what did they call them they didn't call them rooms where's my bedroom

quarters i want to know where all my quarters are i got a coin link i got to go visit well these guys are walking and talking in that new part of the promenade that yeah terry's excited to see yeah but shear seems very happy about this treaty Garrick is not so happy. He's kind of worried. Tarul arrives. Martha Hackett arrives and she is really angry. She says the Romulins were left out of these negotiations and that's going to mean war. Storms off and Garrick's like, I told you so.

Yeah. This is not good. She had a bandage. You see that? She had a bandage on her hand because she was fighting to get into that meeting and the guards kicked her out basically. So she had to go sick back. So she had a band of chair. Poor to rule.

Poor Marcell. Poor Romulins. They gave their cloaking device to us. I know. Now they're getting kicked out. It doesn't seem fair. There was trust there. Yep.

And something's afoot. And I like how, well, we're going to find out, but I like how Bashir follows up with Cisco. This is good. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, so the next scene is in the shuttle craft on the planet where Kiranoto are. Kira's trying to send this message with the Bajoran camouflage on it or whatever. She's trying to send out the message, but there's interference from an unknown power source below ground.

Computer can't penetrate it, doesn't know what it is. It's a polymetallic substance surrounding something. An unknown polymetallic substance. Yes. Very, very suspicious, wouldn't you say? Mm-hmm. Well, Odo arrives. He's very frustrated in this scene because he's been every rock and tree and flower in the garden.

He doesn't get it. And he just wants to go to his bucket. He's a guy. He's a guy's guy's guy. Yeah, exactly. I've tried to be sensitive and have feelings and it's not working. Just give me my bucket. Screw it.

I'm not into it. Give me my bucket. We got back to the commander's office. At DS9, the admiral comes to see Cisco. He defends the Romulans. from being excluded from these peace talks. And the Admiral says, well, the founders specifically asked that the Romulan did not be included. Seems strange to me.

It's weird. And this Admiral seems to be on the founders side of this and not the Starfleet side of this. Yeah, which is another weird tell. But we also did not enjoy her the first time she came to visit him at Deep Space Nine. Do you remember that? She just has this kind of doesn't really get the gravity. of a situation. She seems to be sort of smiling and just like completely dismissing anything that he says. Yeah, but full of power in the way that's sort of like, yeah, well, it's too bad you have your problems because we've already figured it out and I don't really need your input.

Okay. Have a nice day. Bye-bye. I don't like her. Yeah, she's almost Stepford-Wivey in a way. Cisco tries to stand up for the Romulans a little bit in this scene. But when the Admiral says something like, well, after. this treaty is signed with the, you know, the dominion, the Romulins won't stand a chance, which seems a little very unstarfleet. Yeah. We go back to the planet surface after our lovely scene with our admiral. We go back to the planet.

Odo's learning a lot from the female changeling. This is where we learn about the name changeling was an insult, but they owned it, made it their own. What's her name? Why do they just keep pulling her female? Doesn't Salomey Jens' character have a name other than female? Do you have the actual script, Scrip, Robbie? I know that she comes back this character, female.

But in this episode, we don't find out her name. No. Isn't that bizarre? No. I think that's bizarre. But what we do find out is that... Go ahead, Robbie. What do you think?

I was going to say, I think that we never finding out... The fact that we never find out a name in this episode, to me, made it feel like the changelings are one. that they don't have individual names. That they're all one. They're all part of the great link. They're all one, right? Yeah.

Like she didn't say his name when she met him or saw him. Mm-mm. She never says anything. She said, welcome home. Guys, we know she's in nine episodes or something. This whole great link thing, what we're talking about. Again, James Cameron in Avatar, it's IWO, which is the great link of all the people. They're all one with IWO.

Right. So there's another great. So I really feel like... Like our higher consciousness. Yes. Great link. These are running themes, though, for spiritually evolved people that have... Yeah.

Can look at things with a great distance. Yes. To see the inner workings of everything. You know what I mean? But I love that you're saying that. I'm just saying that James Cameron made... This is another point to my argument that James Cameron watched this episode. And now the female, she talks about...

how the great link, they were, the changelings, many years ago, they roamed the stars searching out other races to add to their knowledge. So they were pretty much the Federation. They were Starfleet. They were exploring. They're identical, basically. But now she talks about how when they were like that, they were met with a lot of suspicion and hatred, violence, because they didn't understand the alien races were like, what are these changelings? Why can they change from one shaped to another. They didn't trust them. Yeah, they didn't trust them and something happened and they were persecuted. This is the scene where she tells about this is why we came here and to stay isolated. We don't want anybody to come here. And this is what you get for, you know, a couple of

pranks. Then people don't trust you anymore. You pop up and you think you're popping up from behind a bush, but they are the bush. That's what happens. That would be creepy. Well, she also mentions in this scene how they sent out, I think, a hundred changeling infants or something that Odo was one of those sent out they were supposed to learn about the universe and come back one day right that they would have this urge this draw to go right in their genetic makeup they'd have this urge to go back and he's the first one that has returned of the hundred yeah of the hundred they sent out and he came back early yes came back early yeah 300 years right 300 years early.

Doesn't expect him for another 300 years. I like how he says, how long was I gone? She goes, a long time. Thinking, oh my gosh. Does that mean? Like 700 years. Yeah, correct. But does that mean the founders are immortal?

Is that what your, is that your take everybody on this? Maybe they never die. But very, they live a long, long time. And maybe thousands of years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but immortal is sort of like, mm-mm.

That almost feels godlike. Too much. Yeah. Okay. Because like the elves in... With Santa Claus? The Hobbit? Yes.

No. In the Hobbit? Yes. They live for a really, really, really long time. But they can be killed. They can be killed. They can be killed. That's right.

But there's something about their mortality. I don't know yet. Okay. But there's something that I think is magical about it. Not a big surprise. Magic is a part of it. Sorry. Wrong.

Wrong show. Okay. It's similar, but they live a long time. And Odo, now we know Odo's going to live a long time. We're only going to talk about the Hobbit from now on. We're not going to even talk about Star Trek D-Space 9. We don't need this. Okay, just kidding.

So Odo says it's different than I imagined it would be. And then she says, whatever you imagined, I promise, it will be better. This is when they have that visual effect of them melting into each. other. I thought they were going to kiss. That's what I thought was going to happen. Did you guys see that weirdness? And then when they melted, they did sort of their melted forms kissed in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Melted together for sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, I love that I think that was like the commercial break or something. And when we come back, clearly, come back from our old fashioned commercial break, Kira walks into the garden and she starts talking to all the plants. She's like,

Oh, that was so good. Odo, is that you? Are you a rock? Odo. She had a whole scene, basically, where she wanders around talking to everything. Yes, it was very funny. And didn't Frank start tight? I think the shot started tight on her leaning down.

And then it just kept pulling back and back and back until she's just, until she's, you see the whole set. She's experimenting talking at different things. But for me, I felt like I was watching a state. stage play because at that point she's going through the monologue you see the whole set and at the very end she crosses you know in the foreground like she's crossing off the set to me it was very much like a theater experience that one scene right yeah it was her by herself talking to every plant and flower and then she says I'm going to go try to find the source of this interference

she's kind of sad at the end of this too like it felt a little bittersweet like I'm glad you're here I hope you're having fun being all these plants yeah but I'm not really a part of it. Right. Yeah. You're not including me on the journey of you exploring or just even in some way of sharing it. Right. But we've also established in the prior episodes the closeness between these two characters.

Oh, they're a couple. Odo is in love with Kira. So Kira definitely feels something from him. So this is very bitter. Yeah. I didn't think that we were definitely getting into that yet, but that's, I don't remember that when we were doing it. Okay.

I just remember that they're close friends and that even that he's a little jealous I've felt that way when I've been tight with like you know when you're especially when you're younger and you have a lot of platonic relationships and you're younger and it's like

you it's not that necessarily you wanted your friend to become your romantic partner but that kind of romance of your friendship is done yeah do you know what I mean yeah or like when he was dealing with with Beryl.

She's still dating him at this point, technically, as far as we know. But so you can kind of, like, feel that kind of, uh-huh. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that you knew you were, like, really meant to be partners with that person. You just missed that little time of it being just about the two of you. Yeah. It's over. And this, he's finding out a new thing, but it really, I get that this is all about him.

and I love that they're together, I just feel like he's leaving her out a little bit. Yeah, okay. It just feels like there could be an acknowledgement. Yeah, he's definitely in his own bubble. He's discovered this thing and he's just going to, he's forgotten about Starfleet, about D.S9, about anything else, anybody else. He's, is it myopic?

Yes. When you're singularly focused, yeah, he's very much so right now. But he's redeemed at the end, so it's all good. Oh, yeah, we're talking about this moment. This moment. But at this moment, definitely. She's all by herself. She feels alone and kind of, you know, sad but happy for him, but sad.

Yeah, she's trying to figure out how to get back. Yeah. Go down inside the cavern. She's got her tricorder, leads her to some kind of metal door. And she's like, why would a shapeshifter need a door? It's very suspicious. Now, this part got me confused because she asked the computer on her, on her combat. Is it connected to the shuttle?

Is that how that works? She's calling back to the computer. That makes sense. That's what I thought. See, our show must have been more advanced than yours. Much more advanced. I just have to tease you a little bit. I know, you do.

So if Kira asked the computer, what it is, computer says, I can't read through this metal. Unable to penetrate the metal due to some kind of interference. Yeah. Very suspicious. We go back to, it's weird. We go back to Quarks, Quarks delivering drinks, on the house to Bashir, is it to

O'Brien? I was shocked. Yes. On the house. I know. If any of this whole thing since we got back doesn't make sense, it would be that. Exactly. No way. The writers keep throwing stuff out of us

and now they throw the biggest one. A nice cork, which is a giant wobbly. That's given how giant wobbly for giving away free drinks? No. Never. Never. I forgot that tiny wobbley's in general. What did they do for him?

I know. What did they do for him? It's always transactual with a Ferengi. For sure. Yeah, they must have done something. Well, he says it's because he's heard the treaty's going to be signed to celebrate. Bashir and Miles say, where did you hear it? He mentions Jim Hedar officers.

And then he's got a moment where he says, I have a dream. Quark says, I have a dream that all of us stand together. It's kind of like the Martin Luther King's. It is. Like, what the hell? You feel like you're going down that road. And then he says, standing beside all of my daubot tables. So he can't remember that.

I think that was intentional for us to go. Yeah. I mean, the reason why he gave the free drinks is not just because of the peace agreement, but more importantly, because the Gem Hadar, he thinks have the gene. When O'Brien asked with the gene, yes, the gambling gene. After Quark's big, I have a dream speech in the daubo tables, A GemHadar is walking by, bumps into O'Brien. But the Gemmodar blames O'Brien, which clearly he didn't do anything.

They end up kind of having a few words. The GemHadar grabs him, throws him over a bar, which I have to say the double was a bad double of Miles O'Brien. Yeah, it was a bad double. I didn't notice as much the first, when I watched it the second time, I could see that it wasn't him. The first time it happened so fast, I wasn't, I didn't notice so much. Yeah. But did you notice, Robbie? But that was brutal.

It was brutal. But he didn't throw him immediately. The first thing he does is he confronts him. Then he sort of takes Miles' face with his hand and shoves him on the ground. Then he goes over and picks him up and throws him up into the bar. But that whole grabbing him by the face and just shoving him under the ground was so aggressive. It was like, no. Very disrespectful.

Very much so. So he got disrespected and thought that, oh, since I've been disrespected, I'm going to disrespect you. I don't know why I'm doing an accent right now, but that's... Why not? You can. That's the disrespected accent. You know, old Jim... How about Eddington? I saw Eddington and I thought,

you're an asshole, Eddington. How about that? I'm doing one, too, so you don't feel so bad. Thank you. I like that. I appreciate it. I appreciate you, Tara Fair. All right. All right. So Bashir goes over to help him by the bar. Eddington walks in. Eddington apologizes to the Gem Hidar for this.

Very weird. I was like, what is the Kool-Aid you are drinking because they're passing it out from that mean... From the admiral and now you, everybody's like down to the Gem Hadar. Bashir is mad about this, says they have to follow the station rules. Eddington's defending them. You know, just give them a little more time to adjust. I was like, hmm, seems like Eddington and the Admiral. They're on the other side, the bad guy's side.

Eddington. Give them some time to adjust. In Terry's British accent. I did feel scared for Bashir. Because when Bashir came over and tried to defend Miles, I didn't hear it. I didn't hear it. What did you say? She's just doing her editing.

I got nervous. She was talking like Eddington. I was talking like Eddington and then I got nervous. Then she got nervous. It's a nervous. That is a nervous British dialect. Yeah. It's a...

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sisco and Jake have dinner. Well, let's leave this scene because it's making Terry very nervous. Okay, so we're at Cisco's quarters next, having some dinner. Sisko and Jake having dinner. Cisco is very preoccupied. He says he feels out of the loop with all of this, with this treaty and all this stuff going on.

And Jake is wondering if something's going on. I think Jake was very wise here. It's like, I felt like Jake in this moment. Like, come on, guys, something's going on here. What's happening? Yeah. And then when he's, when his dad, it's just like, I got a lot of stuff going on. Jake says there's something going on, isn't there?

And Cisco says, like, what? And Jake says, you tell me. And to me, that's usually Cisco saying that to Jake. Yeah, that's going on. You tell me. Yeah. as a parent would right another tidbit from the writers

to try to make us yes it does feel a little suspicious like the way they're behaving something's not quite right yeah yeah Dax shows up and says she's being transferred to the Lexington Dax is more than upset

she is very upset well she's upset but not as upset as Cisco in the next scene though oh my gosh I love this yeah well Dax is upset she says she's being transferred

and then Bashir calls and says, I need to talk to you about the Gem Hadar. We assume, yeah, Cisco's got the news about the transfers and now what the Gem Hadar have done and we cut into the guest quarters where Natchayev, the admiral, is, he comes in mad, I put with like 10 D's on it. Mad, da, do, do, do, do, do, do.

Yeah, he came in guns of fire and he was like. Cisco on fire. Oh, wow. Cisco on fire. Isn't this the most passionate or loud that he's been in the entire series? So far, I think. I don't think so. So far,

I've never seen him angry. Yeah, other than honestly, when we were watching the pilot and he lost his, and he was screaming, but that was pain. This is anger. This is anger. You don't get up with my people. Yeah. He's mad about his crew being reassigned without his approval.

He says he doesn't trust the dominion. The Admiral says, you know, he's the first to know this, but she's going to tell him some news that Starfleet is pulling out of DS9 and the entire sector, and that the Dominion's going to take over and be responsible for Bejor. And even Cisco is going to be reassigned. And Cisco just cannot believe all of this is happening. He wants to talk to the negotiators, the people, you know, making this treaty.

She says, sorry, it's too late. It's already been signed. Yeah. And then I knew I was in a different reality. Yeah. Exactly. Each scene just builds on the last, doesn't it? Yeah. Okay. Off of that big news, we go back to Odo's planet. A bird, like a vulture or something, flies, flies down and turns into morphs into Odo. So he's been a bird. He talks about the thrilling feeling of flying. He's flapping his arms. Renee was just really reliving the sensory experience of flying like a bird. I thought it was really reliving. really cool.

And we never see him do that before this. No. No, he seemed free. Like that experience helped free him up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kira asks if he's going to stay. That's very sad this moment.

He doesn't really say, yes, I'm staying, but he says it's been good to work with you. Yeah. That's saying goodbye. Yeah. That's basically saying goodbye. Yeah. It's been great. She says, okay, one more thing.

Can you just help me figure out this power source? in this door that she's found. And Odo's confused. He's like, wait a minute. Why would my people need a door? So, yeah. I'm actually glad that they put another button on that. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, Odo's going to help, it looks like. So they're going to go do that. We go to the Repliment next. Garrick finds Cisco at the replemate. Thanks him for his command. Garrick wants to say goodbye. He says there's a rumor that the rumor is that Bayjor has formed an alliance with the Romulans.

And they're going to go to war. Oh my God. This is this is escalating very quickly this whole thing. Yeah. And so help me understand this, that Bejure and the Romulins are going to go to war with the Federation and the Dominion? Yeah. Correct. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to stay for that. That doesn't sound like fun. It does not sound like fun. Because Gary says. My Bayer is definitely not big enough for that battle. No.

Yeah, Gehrick does say to Sisko, well, you'll be back. And that's when he says, well, you'll be fighting against the bejorans and the Romulans together. I like the end of the scene, though, because Garrick, in his typical way is kind of saying things without saying them explicitly. Garrick's sort of fishing at the end. He goes, you know, it's a shame. We can't both go against the wishes of our superiors. Right. Disco kind of smiles.

Like, they're both thinking the same thing. Right. They're on the same highway. Yeah. I mean, Garrick has already said to Cisco that I don't share the same feelings. Or he says, I share the same feelings that you have about this Dominion Treaty. So he's already sowing those seeds of doubt in Cisco's mind to rebel or do something different, right? Yep.

Okay. Yeah, who would have thought that Garrick and Cisco would be so close? Yes. And then, to rule starts running through the promenade. She's being chased by the Gem Hadar. She calls for Cisco. He and Garrick exit the replemate. And just then the Gem Hadar shoot her in the back and she falls into Cisco's arms.

He fights the Gem Hadar, but is knocked out. Can you believe that? No, no. It all felt like everything's escalating quickly. And, yeah, poor. She's dead, too. She's dead. She's dead.

Yeah, D-E-A-D dead. D-E-A-D-D-D-D-D, yes. And it's... No mince in that word. No, but it's just... It's really, it's shocking. And if you don't know something is in the Twilight Zone yet, well, this is probably going to throw you into that for sure.

Yeah. And Cisco's trying to fight back, but he's fighting the Jim Hedar hand-to-hand, and they're pretty rough. They're big guys. They're big guys. And there was more than one. Yeah. We go in the security office next, I think.

Dax, Bashir, and Garrick want to see Cisco who's been arrested and Eddington's sitting at the desk. Eddington's like, nope. And I love how Garrick kind of walks around and basically hypospraise him. He says, oh, I think you have a loose thread. He goes to reach over to Eddington's hauler and instead hypo sprays him unconscious. He is the tailor. I love that they added him to this whole. sequence. Yes. Dax runs off to get

Cisco who's being detained. Garrick and Bashir drag Eddington's body away. They all grab phasers. Dax tells Cisco that Miles is waiting with a runabout, that they've already loaded it with photon torpedoes. And Cisco's like, oh, you know me well. You know, she's, she's arming it. She's doing exactly what Cisco would have done. Actually, Eddington

ends up in the cell that Cisco was in. That Cisco was in, yes. Yeah. Yeah, Dax tells Cisco, we've got all these torpedoes. I know what you would have done. We're prepared to go collapse the wormhole. Yeah, like what? Yeah.

What are we doing? Yeah. Collapsing the wormhole. And by the way, nobody mentions Kira and Odo will, they're not there. Right. They're never on DS9. They're still lost somewhere. So they would be trapped in the gamel.

I'm a quadrant. Yeah, they don't even talk about them, which I found to be very confusing. Not to mention, was it the last episode or the episode before where we talked about, like, yeah, collapsing the wormhole is not an option. Correct. Give me another option. So that was just like major alarm bells. Yeah. And we're all like, do-to-do, yeah, we're going to do it.

We're here. I like Andy Robinson's last line at the end of the scene where, again, Eric says, oh, I wouldn't worry about that doctor. And Dax says, that's easy for you to say. And Garrick says, oh, you misunderstand me, Lieutenant. All I meant was it's a little foolish to worry about our careers at a time like this when there's a good chance that we're all about to be killed. I like Garik's his tone of voice, like it is. Just matter of fact.

I'm going to show my priorities, lady. It was literally like he was telling you what he was going to order for lunch. It was like, yeah, we're just going to be killed. You know, it's a very good chance. Yeah. So nice to meet you. Yeah, very funny. Back on the planet's surface, but not really the surface.

Underneath the surface, we're in the cavern. Odo and Kira are there. And he feels like, yeah, there's something going on because his feeling is that door is there, not to keep people out, but to keep whatever is on the other side in. So it's the bum, bum, bum moment. Kira asks if he can get it open. So he then does some morphing with his hand. It does some morphing.

It looks like he's got three fingers going into like three holes. It was an odd lock system that he was unlocking. Yes. But we jump from that. We don't actually see him opening up the door. We jump to the next scene. We're back on DS9. We're now in a corridor.

We see Cisco is leading the gang, which is Bashir, Garrick, and I think Dax too, right? Yeah. Dax is there as well. And two Gem Hadar come around this corner. At this point, Garrett's very smart. He sort of pretends that he's the one that captured Cisco and Dax and Bashir. like, oh, okay, this is the plan. I've got them. And the Gem Hadar is like, what are you talking about? What plan? He's like, oh, no one told you? And that's when he says, I pretend to be their friend.

And then I shoot you. And he shoots them both. But I would think the second guy would have already shot Garrick after the first one got shot, you know? I mean, if they're Gemadar, their reflexes are faster than that, I feel. But Derek, he shoots. Derek was a tough guy in the Cardassian military. He was. So maybe. Yeah. Okay. Let's give him some credit. He's got skills. He's got skills. He's got He does have skills. Yes. But Sisko compliments him. He says, well, done, Garrick.

Garrick says something about he read it once in a book, acting like he's never had any military skills, right? But your jokes, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. And that's when he gets shot, Garrick, that is. He gets shot. And it's so sad. Because the last thing he says is, doctor, I'm afraid I won't be able to have lunch with you today, which is a great ending line. But it makes you want to cry at that point to hear something like that. He dies.

And Cisco's like, okay, we got to go. More Gem Hadar are chasing after them. Dax shoots a couple of them. Dax is on top of the, you know, keeping everybody safe from the back end. You're firing at everybody. I am. You are, yeah, you were on top of them. No.

You're hurting my people. You're out. She's keeping everybody safe. But, you know, it's funny because she goes, I've got the rear. But the next shot when they're coming around the corridor, she's in the lead, okay, before they get to the airline. She's that good, Garris. She's that good.

She can be in the back and the front. I thought they were already past me. Because doesn't, doesn't, um, Cisco in the gang, because doesn't he say, Dax, hurry up and then. Yeah, they are past you. So you shoot a, you shoot a Gemma Dar to help them. They're already past you. But in the next shot of you guys running into another part of the corridor, yeah, you come in first at that point. So you've passed everybody.

She's that good. I mean, she's that good. But what I didn't like with the choice of that shot was it was the camera's on a dolly and it's pulling back as you're running in, Dax. But because a dolly can't go at 100 miles an hour, it's, you know, it's limited. You had to limit that funny. You had to limit your run. Exactly.

Otherwise, you'd run into the camera crew. So that to me, I felt like the camera should have been set up at the end of the hallway just to show a full run coming in. So that's the only thing that kind of bugged me about that scene. Yeah. It's always hard to do running. shots with cameras that can't go as fast as people can run. As the actor, yeah.

Yeah. We have this thing on Turner and Hoots with a dog where they'd always write these things about, oh, the dog is, hooch is chasing the bad guy. Well, if you send a dog after a human, they will catch them in about three seconds. Like, there's no way that a dog can't run 10 times faster than even the stunt man. Yeah. Yeah. So we'd always have these shots where we'd send the bad guy and then we'd say, wait, don't let the dog.

go, don't let the dog go, give them lots of space. And then, okay, send the dog. And the dog's like, right on top of that first. Totally. I don't know, like, how fast is the average dog. Yeah. But you noticed, Terry, you saw the, you saw the awkward kind of, you know, slow run is what I call it, like to make it.

Yeah, it was like kind of a dance run. It was a dance run. But again, you can't go any further. Like I was on my tippy toes. I couldn't, well, also I'm six feet tall. So, yes. And I'm not a great basketball player. It was a better runner.

Right. No, not your fault. Not your fault at all. They just made you do something awkward. Awkward. Unreal. Everyone would have done the same awkward run dance thing. And I'm just saying I would have let you, if I was directing this episode, I would

have let you run because you have athletic ability. So it would have been cool. Okay. So next we're on the runabout. Our heroes seem to have escaped, except for Garrick, who's dead. And to rule. And to rule. Yeah.

They're dropping like flies now. They are. They are. They're not looking good. in the runabout they head towards the wormhole Miles does ask about Garrick in this when they first come in because Miles thought you know where's Garrick

wasn't he supposed to be with you? Yeah Bashir just says he's not coming and that was very sad It is sad because O'Brien understood that immediately didn't he? He says oh I see okay so he's yeah without saying he's dead

it was very nicely played I agree yeah but they're on a mission too, so there's no time to get fuzzy about it. Nope. Nope. It would be a tiny wobbly if they got fuzzy about it. He's bringing it back. I love tiny wobbly. I forgot about that.

The Terry Farrell expression, I love it. They're heading there. This is when the Admiral Nishayev calls, Nicheyev calls with Borath, and she tells Cisco to stand down to return back to DS9. Borath says he's going to send the Gem Hadar.

I love when Cisco goes, yeah, Fine. Send him. Because he's going to stop them from getting, just make sure you tell them they're not getting any reinforcements because I'm closing the wormhole. No, he says. For about 16 years? For about 70 years. 70 years. Oh, 70 years. Yeah. I like that little exchange. That's a good way of saying it. 70 years. Yeah. That's a nice span of peace. Well, they do blow up the wormhole. It. It works. Three two repeaters go inside Kaboom, kabum, kabum, big explosion, no more wormhole.

This does not seem good for the series, I'm just saying at this point. No, but look at that number because that's kind of like they handed the relay baton to Voyager because we are trapped 70 years. It'll take us 70 years to get back from the Delta Guaradrant.

They use that same number. Interesting. And more connections. More connections. And then we smash us. it back down to Odo's planet. Yeah. Where Odo, in his fabulous changeling hand, is opening up the door.

And he says to Cura to step back. Did you guys notice that she did not step back? Oh, I didn't know. No, I didn't know this. She did not. She did not. She said forward? Maybe she doesn't understand back and forward.

Did you think I was a girl? No, I'm a woman. I'm standing here. With those two Jam Hedar standing there, I just thought. Yeah. What? No. What is happening?

What the heck? They drag them down some tunnel into the classic Star Trek caves. The cave set that we all know and love. Age 18. Yeah, they head down the tunnel. We cut back to the interrogation room where I guess this is where all the defiant crew. So Cisco, the real Cisco. Yeah.

This is the cave. Yeah. Behind the Jim Hedar, there's this room that, looks like some kind of laboratory and we're on we're all laying on these boards basically like little it didn't look comfortable no it looked like your heads were all kind of pointed upwards too which made me comfortable they used to have these cheat boards in hollywood um we used a couple when we were doing some scenes for um paper dolls and we were at mGM and they had all of these old, basically a long plank or, if you would, like a massage table, an ironing board, that

style, only at an angle. So when the actresses were wearing dresses to not wrinkle the dress, but for the actress to have a rest, she could stand on this and there was a little place for your feet and you leaned back. And so it was sort of like laying down. But it didn't wrinkle the dress for your head. Yeah, you didn't wrinkle your dress. Oh, my gosh.

But those things, I remember during filming, those things reminding me of that. Of that. So it wasn't awful. It was, yeah. All things considered. Yeah, you could have taken a nap or something there. It would have been harder to stand there and be still with our eyes closed. Yeah.

Because that's hard to do. Well, it looked creepy. Yeah. Seeing the crew like that, Robbie reminded me of a couple of things. the Voyager episode, The Thaw with Michael McKean as the embodiment of fear. And Harry Kim and Balana Torres are in these, basically these chambers that are unconscious. Very similar to how the DS9 actors are here. And everything was a psychological projection, which is exactly what is going on here.

And then this whole scene then reminded me, Robbie, of our pilot episode, another sort of DS9 baton handing off to Voyager in a way where all the Voyager actors are on those bio beds from the caretaker. unconscious and this is very similar. So I almost felt like... Didn't they have like the needles coming down to our head? Yes, they came into our chest cavity is what that was. Did Michael McKean play a bad guy? Michael McKean kind of play, yes, he did, but not in our pilot episode later. He's so talented.

He's really, really good. Was he nice? Yeah, he was really nice. I did work with him. He was great. He was and very, you know, he thought outside the box and some of the things, suggestions that he made were used as well in the episode. So I respected his work.

for sure. But I will say that seeing everyone like that reminded me of our pilot episode. So I almost felt like, and again, me wearing white. This is like a rebirth. It's almost like season one and two were just, they were just rehearsal. And then this is the beginning of DS9. You know, so that's where I'm going with that one. Well, perfect. It's a terrifying moment to see our crew all in these experimental tables. And Borath is explaining that they experimented with this crew, you know, put them on these beds. They wanted to track their thoughts, I guess, and see how they responded to a Dominion takeover.

And they learned that they would resist. And that's when the female enters the scene, the female changelings, she admits that they are the founders. Changelings are the founders. What? Yeah. My head exploded.

Yes. And I was like, yes. Okay, that's why I thought that was kind of crazy. It's all making sense. Yes. She admits the changing of the founders. And she says something like, it's ironic that we were hunted for so long. And now we control the destinies of hundreds of species. I thought that was interesting.

That's creepy. Yeah. A little creepy. Upsetting. Yeah. She says what we control can't harm us. And this is where, yeah. It's, I mean, the thought process is faulty because they were the ones hunted.

And now they are doing the death and destruction, or at least they're not doing it personally. but they use the Jamman Hadar to do that. So they're doing exactly the same thing they had done to themselves. Yeah. It's a classic. Which also is like, no, they're not on their planet having this peaceful, quiet, safe place. They're hiding because they're bad guys. Yeah.

It's like the reverse golden rule. The golden rule is you want people to do unto you what you hope. Do unto others as you would have done. You'll have to work on that one. Thank you. Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. But they're reversing it. They're sort of like, you know, whatever was done to you in aggression, you do to someone

else. So that's all the bad shit that was done to you. Do that to other people. Do that to other people. Let them experience it. I think that's revenge. Yeah. Yeah, that's called revenge.

Very vengeful attitude. Yeah. Definitely. Well, yes, the female does say to Odo. When Odo says, I am not one of you, that I've actually become one of my family, this chosen family in a way, is basically what he's saying. And he wants to return with them with a crew. He wants to go back to DS9.

And the female does admit here, she said a changeling has never, you know, harmed another changeling or stood in their way. And she allows it. Yep. But she does threaten at the end, right? there's a little bit of that veiled threat. Like next time we won't be as, you know, accommodating or something like that. That's right.

That's right. Yeah. Next time I promise you we will not be so generous. So generous, yeah. Wow. It sounded like a mother, very manipulative mother when she said. Oh, yeah. You know, that we will miss you, but not as much as you're going to miss us. Yeah.

Like that was so manipulative and mean. Yeah. But they're the founders and they're the demand. right? I feel return to Odo and take your rightful place within the dominion. So this is a lot of a lot of new stuff. A lot of like politics to figure out. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm really curious about the next or the season period, season three to find out exactly what's what. Yeah. Because it sounds complicated. Yeah. Odo, Odo tells Cisco that, you know, that they should head back and he'll explain everything later he wants to stay for a minute and then he has a final final scene with the uh on the

planet surface with with the female that where she says you know that he's going to miss the one where they have the full body goo that was earlier i think that was earlier i thought that was here this is no this scene is what you said earlier which is we will miss you but odo you will miss us even more that's that's yeah but she does turn into goo when she goes back into the ocean of the Lake of goo, right? But he doesn't go with her. He doesn't do with her. I got my goose mixed up.

Yeah. That's okay. It looks very sadly towards her when she goos into the pond. Yeah. He's got a very sad sort of look. He does. Kira arrives. Did you remember when Kira sort of, he's looking down and she arrives over his shoulder?

Yeah. And she presses his combat. Yeah. It's very sweet. Taking care of him. all right themes morals and lessons from this episode i'll start with mine my my lesson was that sometimes your chosen family can feel more like home than your biological family that was my lesson i kind of got that from from otto's

story and that was my poem too i like that because even in the last scene he talks about you know your great link sounds great and all and i felt a little bit of that but I already have a link to this group of people. So, yeah, that's your thing. Terry, Terry, what's your lesson? I wrote the grass is not greener on the other side. Nice.

You know, because it is, or like, don't judge a book by its cover. It's like, oh, you're home. You're going to be amazing. Yeah, this will make me happy. Yeah. It has its own issues. What about you, Karen? Mine is just, you have to be careful of power,

corrupting because power does corrupt and that's exactly what happened with the founders or the changelings once they got the power then they would do anything to keep that power and that includes persecution death and all the things that they had to experience when they were being the hunted so power i have a question how do these changelings have all this power it just occurred to me they have no weapons they have no nothing like why do the gem hadar and the and the and the the vorda and everybody, why do they bow down to the changelings? I don't get it yet. I feel like we're going to get those answers coming up that will happen at some point. Yes.

I want to say to your point about the power and the corruption that I think that the people who get power and don't handle it well, we're always having a deficit in empathy and understanding for other people because there are people that have great wealth and great power that are bananas. And they handle it really well. And then, you know, the same thing is true for people who have been treated really poorly. Some people turn into, you know, on the narcissistic spectrum, treat other people really poorly. And other people have had really shitty stuff happen to them. And they might be insecure, maybe more needy and have to work on their self-confidence and their self-esteem.

So people come in, how they come in, and then whatever. happens to you, you know, gaining the power, it has to do with who you are to begin with. It does. The power just really reveals who you really are. Yeah, but in my estimation, Terry, I do feel like the people that are super powerful and benevolent are in the minority. There are more people that are powerful that are not able to handle that power. And do you think it's because they're afraid they're going to lose it?

Yes, I do. I think that is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. That fear of losing. the power they worked so hard to get. Fear is a bad thing. They try to control it. Yeah. I think Terry

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wanted. It's kind of like the Wizard of Oz. There's no place like home. yeah you could say that yeah like it was there all alone and home all these things you think you wanted yeah may not be what you wanted yeah interesting yeah i like it all right well thank you everybody thank you for tuning in and listening to our recap and discussion of the search part two join us next time when we will be reviewing recapping and discussing the episode the house of Quark with none other than

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