The Delta Flyers - The Siege

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode is, In The Siege, hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Armin Shimerman. The Siege: With less than five hours remaining before Bajoran forces are due to arrive, Sisko continues to evacuate Deep Space Nine. We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Nicole Anne Toma, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Rob Traverse, Matt Norris, Stephanie Lee, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, & Thomas IrvinOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Steven Lugo, Penny Liu, David Smith, Lisa Hill, Stacy Davis, Lena Pfitzmeier, & Timothy McMichensAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Eve England, Ann Harding,Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carol Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Miki Tracey, John Richardson, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Jeremy Gaskin, Ryan Tomei-Sigurðarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Jennifer Vaughn, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Constance, Loretta Reyes, Francesca Garibaldi, Willow Whitcomb, Jadzia Mehari, & MoThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Dax, Cork, Tom, and Harry, your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Armand Shimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wang, for the complete and amazing version of this podcast. Please check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. Hello, Robbie and hello, Armin. Hello, hello, hello. Good to see you, gentlemen. It looks like we're all in dark colors. We are. Pointed out, we're all in black.

Because of the siege? Yes, it's very dramatic. You know one thing that we used to do, that Robbie and I used to do? We used to go through credits, like first credits of people, and we haven't done that with you, Armin. We haven't done that. Can I just do that today right now, Robbie? Do you mind if I just jump right into that?

Okay. What I see right now, Armand Shimmerman, is 1979, a TV, film called Woman at West Point where you played Major Logan. Would that be the very first, first one? Yes, that would be the very, very first one. Oh, my Lord. Please tell us. Please tell us about that. Yeah, they shot at West Point. I was living in Manhattan at the time, and they drove me up to West Point. And I had a lovely scene with the class. I was a teacher. Go figure. They got me into makeup. They got me into wardrobe. And the director came up to me and says, we've rewritten your scene and now you're going to have just a long a long monologue about math

and we're going to shoot this 15 minutes yes say we're going to shoot this in 20 minutes i said uh i i said we're going to have to use cue cards or something and and so what we did was they had me facing the chalkboard so the entire speech was written on the chalkboard so that I could do it. So, but it was, it was the first of my education that, filmmaking. Yes, they can screw you up somehow. As Max and I used to say, you know, okay, after we'd gotten it all down, we decided what our choices were and everything, Max would always say, and now how will the director screw us up? That's a good, that's a good impersonation. I spent enough time with himself. That's not Max. That's Rom. That's Ron. Excuse me, not Max, but Rom's voice. That's

Max voice. Yeah, Max voice is not quite as haunting. No, no. Yeah, not at all. Wow. 1979. I remember when I lived in Manhattan in the 80s and got these little, you know, TV or commercials or things. Demars. Yeah. Yeah, they would pick you up if it was shooting out of the city. And they'd always say, you know, meet down and they'd give a place to meet. And I remember once I was supposed to, I was doing an after school special, those old CBS after school special. or ABC, whatever it was. And they had us meeting in Times Square at a corner by the Marriott Marquis. And it was like a 5 a.m. pickup. And it was winter. So it was dark.

Long story short, I got mug. I got an attempted mugging. Wow. Going to meet the van. Running up to meet the rest of the actors and going, oh, my God. Somebody tried to mug me. And they had a knife. And I didn't know what to do.

I was terrified. And I ran. Yeah. Do you remember getting picked up and some of those crazy? I was never picked up, but I was doing Stardust Memories for Woody Allen. And the set was a block, one city block, away from where we ate. And in order to protect the cast and crew from that very thing, they shuttled us in a bus. We walked off the set, got in the bus, the bus went around the corner of the block, and dropped us off a block away.

so that we wouldn't get mugged. So I do remember that, but I never got picked up. I did a lot of commercials in New York. Yeah, that was a big, that was bread and butter back then. Yes, it was. We have a few birthdays. A very happy birthday to Clark Ocicubo. And if I have butchered your last name, please let me know how to pronounce that correctly.

Happy birthday to Clark, May 6th, Clark. Happy birthday, Clark. Happy birthday, Clark. We also have Tristan Everts on May 17th. A bunch of our Patreon patrons and Delta Flyers fans are May 17th. It was a very busy day. It's a very busy day because other than Tristan Everts, we also have my Asian brother from another Asian mother, Victor Ling, May 17th.

And Robbie? Chris Hansen, of course, on May 17th. So Tristan, Victor, and Chris, happy birthday to all of you on May 17th. All the best. Yeah, happy birthday, everybody. That's one day before my sister, Robbie. My sister's May 18th. So these are all very close to that.

What's the sign? What's the zodiac sign? Taurus. That's Taurus, yes. That's the stubborn one. That's the stubborn sign of the Zubborn. All right, Clark, Tristan, Victor, and Chris. Yes.

Stop being stubborn. There you go. Well, happy birthday, everyone. Happy birthday. Before we get into the episode, let's have our poetry, our beautiful, creative, artistic. Poetry. Meaningful. Meaningful, deep and meaningful poetry that we always deliver. Here we go. Let's start with your haiku. All right. Here's my haiku for the siege. Assault vessels near. Delay station

takeover. Lee Nalus blocks beam. Nice. See, very creative and deep and meaningful. Thank you. Here's a deep and meaningful limerick for this episode. Here we go. evacuating deep space nine creates a bit of a clog all because jarro wants to be a demagogue Cisco avoids patrols Kira thwarts Jarro's main goals but seriously was that a spider or a dog wow that was deep and meaningful yes right very excellent I got demagogue in there Yes, you run demagogue. That's, Robbie, for a person who didn't go to college, that was a $2 college word. You threw demagogue in there.

I'm saying you very much. Kudos. God. Armin, what is our etymology for this episode? You're going to be surprised. Oh, boy. So, the title is the siege. Yes.

The word siege comes from the old French, siegeya, siege. The verb form of siege is perhaps the one we're more. familiar with it's to besiege to beleager to lay siege to it can also means to seat oneself now that's the verb form of the verb oh interesting it gets more interesting the noun form of the verb can mean a seat especially one used by a person of rank or distinction it can also mean an ecclesiastical a person of the church. It can mean in science, a class. I'm taking a siege in physics.

Oh, wow. For a place of rule, of empire, etc. And then as we get further down the OED, it gets really interesting. The siege means the station of a heron on the watch for prey. Here's the winner. Number six, a privy, an excrement, or the, anus or rectum. Wow.

That's what a siege is. Boy, that word has evolved in many, many ways. So back in the day, they would say, sticking up your siege is what they said. That's what they would say. Oh, my goodness. And you'd get a catapult, I guess. Wow.

Wow. That word has really morphed and evolved in lots of ways. I would love to find out why. Yeah. I would love to find out why. And there were other definitions as well, but otherwise it would have been on here for another half hour. Yes, but in the past, though, Armand, when you've read us stuff, the definitions have been kind of related. Whereas when you're telling us these definitions, there's no, the heron's butt.

Yeah, there's no relation whatsoever. It's completely. I mean, I guess the heron's butt and a seat. No, no, hold on, hold on. It's not the heron's butt. It's the station of a heron in the watch for prey. In other words, whatever the way, the pose that the heron takes when he's looking for food, that's called the seeds. Where did your mind go? The very old English one, he said excrement or anus or. Anus. There was anus in there somewhere.

Yes. Or rectum. There's always. Or rectum. I just combined the heron's butt. You did. You did. You did.

You mind immediately went there. Yes. As I do. You've got a black hole behind you. You do. You have a, you have a seed. behind you, sir. Two sieges.

I have a squeaky siege, by the way. My chair is very squeaky. Listen, stop moving around in your siege, will you? Okay. Okay. Well, thank you, Armand, for the... Yes, exploding that word into all kinds of meanings that I never would have imagined. This episode was written by Michael Pillar and directed by Vinrich.

I'm trying to do them justice here. Vindrich Kolbe. So, or, the Baron, as... The Baron as he was referred to on D-Space 9. The Baron. There we go. Vinry. Yeah.

I always try to say it with Rick. I was like, is this how you say it in German, your natural German language? And he would say, no, not really. He'd walk away from me. But this is before I took German as a language. So I think I'm better. We always called him the Baron. But if we didn't, we called him Rick.

Yeah, or Rick. Yeah, we say Rick. I call them Rick. Rick Colby. Guestars, Rosalin Chow. Stephen Weber, my goodness. I did not put that together until halfway through this episode. Do you guys remember how John Stewart, before he did the Daily Show, he had a talk show on MTV

while we were working on Voyager in the 90s. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he had an MTV talk show. Well, Stephen Weber was on his talk show. And one of the funniest things happened, they were talking about, I think John was talking about how either it was Rosha Shana or maybe it was some Jewish holiday that was coming up. And John Stewart's Jewish. And then immediately Stephen goes, I know. He goes, I'm of the faith. And when he said, I'm of the fate, John Stewart almost thought of his seat. He goes like,

he was so shocked that he was a fellow Jew. He couldn't believe it. He was like, and I remember his reaction was like, you, sir, Stephen Weber, are the most attractive Jew that I know or something like that. And here he is, as Jewish as John Stewart was. And it was one of the funniest talk show interviews I've ever seen. I am shocked. I would never have thought that. I've known Steve in a long time. Oh, that he's Jewish? You didn't even think he was... I would never have thought that either. Yeah, definitely. Very funny, though, with John Stewart almost, you know, spitting up his drink, basically. Richard Bamer is also here. Tony, Tony from West Side Story. Stephen Mached, another person of the faith. Another person of the faith. Of the faith, exactly. Aaron Eisenberg.

No, actually he's not. Actually, not. He's adopted, yes. And then, yep, Philip Anglum, Louise Fletcher, and of course, uncredited Frank Langella. Now, co-stars Katrina Carlson as the Bajoran officer, who I thought was the first Nila. Remember how we had a Nila first and then. So when I saw Katrina Carlson, she's the one relaying information to the general on the bridge and everything, the female Bajoran officer, I said, that looks a lot like the Burnett Nila from the very first time we saw Nila. But it's not. But it's not.

No, I don't think so. And Hana Hatae as Molly. as our other co-star. Okay, so the first thing we see in this episode is a recap, which, thank God, because this is a three-part episode. I was like, wait a minute, I'm not used to this on Star Trek, on our generation. So I was really happy about the recap, but it did remind us about the circle, reminded us about Franklin Jello's character, Jaro, and what his goals are.

Are you slightly envious that they got a three-parter and we didn't? We never got a three-parter, don't we had a couple two-parters. But we were teased with that at one point, I feel. Like they said, oh, this might be a three-party, and then it was a two-parter instead. If I may, and what do I know? But it may be the nature of the difference between our shows. We were boldly in one place, and you guys went from planet to planet. Yeah.

So it would be difficult to have a three-parter if you're on wagon train and you're migrating through the universe. That makes sense. With us, we were in one place easy to get the people to come back, the characters to come back. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Well, we go to our conclusion after a recap. We're in ops. And this scene for me sort of set the stage in a big way because Cisco's given this big speech about how all of these Starfleet crew that's there, they've been asked to leave. Everyone who's non-Bajoran has to get off the ship in seven hours. Right. And Cisco's kind of off the station. And Cisco's saying to them, like, easy for, you know, a government to make an edict.

and make this rule, but it's harder for real human beings or real, you know, people who have relationships. And he starts talking about some of the relationships that have evolved. It was very, it was very moving to me. He just says, he knows that they all have relationships and they all want the best for the Bajorans, but the longer they can take with this evacuation, that maybe they can help the Bajorans if they stick around. So he's kind of offering them this possibility, hey, maybe some of us will stay behind and he wants to delay the takeover of the station. Hopefully they can expose this Cardassian plot. And he says anyone who wants to leave can leave, but they all end up saying.

They all basically say, nope, I'm staying. You know what kind of threw me for a loop was when Cisco starts saying, right here, Lieutenant Bullocky, and he points to a female Starfleet member, she's engaged to a young man from Bejor, and she points to the next person. He says, Ensign Kelly, who's a Starfleet person. Ensign Kelly's daughter and a Bajoran girl worked together on a prize winning science fair project. And I just felt like they were going to go deeper, but they kind of went less.

Does that make sense? Like you show us the one person about to be engaged. And then I figured, you know, his daughter saved a class, Bajoran classmate from falling off a cliff at their, you know, whatever. Like higher stakes. Yeah. No, it's a science product. It went backwards.

It was like, no. Oh, so that's the only thing that threw me for a loop. I want to point out, there's method. my madness. There's a lot of background people in that scene. There are. There's a lot. I would say there's a dozen and a half maybe standing there. I'm going to refer back to that later on. Yeah. Okay. And I recognize a couple of them from earlier episodes, for sure. There's the one security guard in yellow and then the other gal with the hair that comes up that she's in almost every episode, it seems. Yeah, nice to see those recurring background players. It makes, it gives us a

sense of continuity and like this place is a real community. We've talked about it before, but you guys have this station. Sure, some people come and go, but there's a lot of people that live here that are here seven days a week all the time. So it's nice to see those. We had many people, I want to say 12 or more of background people that were there more than I was, more than I was. Right. Because either they were stand-ins for the other actors or they were just being constantly used not to mention mourn you know not to mention more yeah yeah mourn is always there yeah literally well we go to the promenade and cork and rome are there everybody's heading for the airlock tons of background actors there yeah heading for the airlock cork and rome

watching all of this people heading to escape flee the station and cork sees some profit in this of course Oh, of course. Rahm is terrified. He thinks Quark's going to sacrifice him. And I love when Quark says, I would never do that unless it was the deal of a lifetime. I loved that. You know, Quark asks, would I do that to you? And Max quietly goes, yes, that's not in the script.

Oh, really? That's funny. Oh, good for him. And it's in the show. They kept it in. Good for him. Well, Quirk does try to reassure him, but he's not convinced, I don't think. He does try to reassure him that they're both going to escape with bags of gold-pressed latinum

and rom nods, but yeah, he's not. He doesn't seem calm and relaxed. He's not too reassured by Quark. He doesn't trust his brother. No. Which we'll find out later. What goes around comes around. That's right.

Yes. Next we go to the promenade, the upper level, Jake and Nog, see each other. We see people from that upper level. We see people down below running. To me, I kept thinking about a lot of these forced evacuations during World War II. Oh, yeah. You know, there's so much of so many similarities there to see friends getting split up and families getting split up and forced deportations and things like that.

It was just very sad to me and very moving. I thought Rick and Powers of Bee handled that part of the show really well about the forced deportations. and that people are in a hurry to get off the station. So Jake and Nog discuss that they have to leave and they realize they're on different ships. They're going to different places. And I love this moment where Nog is like, no Kup, no Koup, he can't say Kud, no Koo.

He can't print it. Doesn't know the Kudita. Yeah. Obviously, he's read it, which is a good sign. Yes. Nag has learned to read, so that's good. So he saw it as COUP, Koop. and that's what he's trying to replicate.

Yeah. At the end, he says, no stupid French thing will either is what he says. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it's not going to break up their friendship. It's a very, very lovely moment that's a wonderful scene between the two actors.

But also, they make a point, has there ever been a relationship between this human and Ferengi like ours? Yeah. And I'm very glad they brought that up. It shows that people that are intrinsically adverse to each other, can become friends. I really, really glad that Michael put that in the script.

Yeah, Star Trek is a great example of how people can connect and find things in common and really build relationships. I really enjoyed how Aaron Eisenberg delivered that line because he emphasized the word better in a way that shows that he isn't human. You know what I'm saying? He could have easily said, has there ever been one of your kind and one of mine who are better friends? That's the human way of saying, better friends. But he said, better.

He really hit the T's hard to kind of show that he was not human, but Ferengi. And I like that choice on his part. Great scene. Yes, Odo does show up, though, and says, you know, Mr. Cisco, no time for fooling around. Get yourselves where you're supposed to be. Off you go. And they head to their separate ships. Sad, bittersweet.

Not even sweet. I guess just bitter. It's sad. Very sad. And there's only three runabouts, though. That's another question I had, Armand. Weren't there other ships attached to DS9 that you could, you guys should jump on freighters and what, whatnot?

Why are there only three runabouts that the entire station has to evacuate to? And, of course, there's not enough seats for everybody. Because Kira has to go break out that rusty old shuttle. They have to have some. So she's on there. I get that, right? That's what I figured out as well, that she's on one of those. She and Dax are on one of those.

but the other two are for the people getting off the station. Yeah. Right. But why are there only three? Yeah, there's other ships, other alien freighters that are in the area. But there's a whole revolution going on at Baker. They probably have closed the airspace. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, no fly. Channels. Okay, okay. I'm making this up as I'm going on. But one of the hallmarks of our show was what we didn't have any ship. It was always the space station. So we get a ship later.

Do you know how many people lived on DSM? nine. Do you recall a number? Like, I know on Voyager, we had a number that was always jumping around and people were dying and it wouldn't really go down as much as it should. I don't think that was ever mentioned because it's in flux. People are always coming and leaving the station, either as on their way through the wormhole or on their way to do some sort of merchandise with the purveyors on the station or Starfleet coming through or Bajorans coming through. So it was always in flux. It wasn't a permanent number. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, looking at the image behind you, you know, right now of the size of that station, I would guess there has to at least be a few

hundred people that live there full time. Right. But I would say most of them are Bajorans. Yeah. Most of them are Bajorans. So they could be on the station. They could be on the way back to the planet. But yes, we had quite a few people. Yeah. We go to O'Brien's quarters. Now, Brian comes in carrying Molly. He thinks that they need to. to leave. He tells Keiko. But Keiko's very worried and very upset and she wants Miles to come along with them. She doesn't want to leave him behind. And he says, we don't have a choice. I don't have a choice. I have to stay here because Cisco needs me. He does use the term Cardys. He says, we can't just let the Cardys have the wormhole. I don't know if I've heard that before. Is that something

that people used often? I don't know if I've heard. I think O'Brien might have on occasion. It just fits his character perfectly. O'Brien is this wonderful common man on our show who was just below officer and, I mean, he's the engineer, but he's not a military officer. Yeah. He's not a civilian. It's a wonderful common man. And he has a common man point of view. Yeah.

Yeah. That little detail, the Cardi's, you know, using kind of street slang or whatever, it fits. it fit nicely yeah i mean in wartime there there's always some type of abbreviation of the enemy's ethnic background or their species oh yeah that's true right rosalind chow's performance in that scene is beautiful and i think she makes uh cullum's performance even better yeah he's a wonderful actor but i think she made him better in that scene he's always great she's terrific but she made him better in that scene yeah there was something about her performance that felt for both of them, from all of them in that scene, it felt much more sort of a naturalism

or relatable in a way that often Star Trek is a little bit removed from reality. This felt like... A little bit? The whole idea, you glanced over it. Cisco's talking to a group of people, they're all in mortal danger and nobody volunteers to leave. Bull-h-h-de-excuse me. Yes, yes, yes. And the only person, really, who's got some qualms about leaving, is Keiko.

And she's absolutely right. I totally agree with her point of view. Yes, he has a choice. And who is more important? Starfleet are the family. And I would definitely say the family is more. Yeah. Really great scene.

We go to Ops next. Dax is gathered around with, I think, Lee Nalas is there and Kira is there. But she can't communicate with Bejor anymore. They've jammed all the frequencies. And Kyrrhus decides, well, we've got to go see the ministers in person. Cisco's there. He says, we don't have any more runabouts. They're all being used for evacuating the station.

And then Lee Nalas says, well, there is a Bajoran ship, an old fighter ship, I guess, on Lunar Base 5 that they hit it there. Yeah, they call them subimpulse raiders. That's what the type of ship it is, a Bajoran sub. Impulse Rader, Hidden Underground. Conveniently, we have a cave set already built, so we could just go down there. They don't even know if it's going to fly anymore. Cisco asks Dax if any of her previous hosts have sub-impulse thruster experience. And she says, yes, Tobin Dax.

And then she describes Tobin Dax as well, he didn't have my, didn't date much or didn't have a social life. It's a classic shot at like science nerds. I thought it was rude. I'm just going to say. It is a little rude. Yeah. Like, why can a science nerd also be a party animal in date?

I don't know. Listen, Dax is the science officer on our show. Yes. And she is a party animal. Yes, exactly. Okay. So Tobin Dax, one of her previous hosts, is a specialist at this particular kind of tech. Odo arrives with quark, drags him in.

He's been brokering seats on the. runabouts. Yeah. And Cisco gets really mad at you, Worm, and he grabs you. He does. He does. I checked in the script. Was he supposed to grab you in the script or not? He was supposed to grab me, but there's no mention of grabbing me by the neck. Oh. Yeah. Was it the neck or the collar that he grabbed? Oh, he had me by the neck. Oh, he had you like he was strangling you. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see if you look closely in that scene, I had to double check it. There's times when he realizes he may be choking me a little too much and he releases a little

just a... Oh. He doesn't kill the other actor. I noticed that too because you did the classic move, which is your... It's a theater move. Yeah. It's a theater move where the actor's hand that's on the neck is not really putting any pressure. It's the actor who's being held is controlling that

and I saw that technique and I did see a little bit of space there. And here's the other thing I thought about when you grabbed you by the neck. You've got very extensive makeup. That's a risky. bit of staging to do over and over again because you're going to damage the makeup. I'm sure my makeup artist was in there touching me up between each take. Because, yes, I'm quite sure the fingerprints were left on the makeup.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. Well, the quirk has been brokering seats on these runabouts. Cisco's mad, grabs me by the neck. Then Bashir calls, and he says the passengers are in chaos down there that they all claim to have seats. quark defends himself he says this is standard for ringy transit practice this is what we do we overbook so cisco's like oh he's got to go fix it he's going to go down there and talk to them corks left he's he's not being held captive there anymore because cisco's gone to fix it

and he says well i guess i'm free to leave and he asks odo if he'll miss him and odo answers very sarcastically that he does he'll miss the crimes the petty thefts and quark is very pleased that he said he's going to miss him. And I love the laugh as you go down. That was the best. Not only his laugh, but Armin's, just Armin's physicality, how he got into the left. He kind of turns a little three-quarter turn and does the laugh and it goes down. It was, it was perfect. Armand, I really enjoyed it. Yes. Thank you. That is not in the script either. I love Quark's laugh. I love when you bring that into a scene is when it works. It's a great detail. But you're also sincere when you say take care of yourself to Odo, you know, because you don't think

you're going to see him after this. You're like, oh, no, take care of yourself. You're actually sincere in my feeling. I agree. And I think Renee had a very nice reaction shot. It isn't clear, but I recognize. He's thinking, yeah, perhaps I will miss him. Yeah, and then he's kind of covering with all the sarcasm.

Right, right. Both of you played that scene very well, very subtle. Thank you. Now, I have a problem with this show. So I'm glad this is the first of many qualms that I have. Okay. But I thought, we've got 42 minutes. there's a lot of story to tell.

Do we really need three or four goodbyes? Oh, right. Okay. Do we really need three or four goodbyes? Each one of them was well played, and for that, I'm grateful, including mine and René's. But really, four goodbyes, when we have 42 minutes and there's a lot of story to tell. Yeah. I don't think that was...

I haven't thought about that, but you're right. I feel like my take is that the writers wanted... to really paint a picture that the entire community was being split up and broken apart. But you could have done that with one goodbye. Yeah. And then a bit of a quick montage of some other goodbyes. Yep. And told the same story without, yeah, without the real estate in the episode that it took

to give all these scenes two, three minutes every time. Yeah. Right. You know, if we'd have the Nog and Jake goodbye, or even the goodbye that's coming up, which is the Cisco and Jake goodbye. That would have been sufficient. We didn't need Hork and Odo's saying goodbye to each other. It's a lovely scene.

I'm glad it's there. Yeah, I liked it. And as you said, seeing Keko and Miles O'Brien, that goodbye was. It was all very well played. All of them. In the big picture, did you need it? That's a great point. Yeah.

But go to the airlock, it's total chaos. Everybody's upset. Cisco comes down. He says all the non-Bajorans have got to leave. And then Lee sort of jumps in to try to help this chaos because all these Bajorans are trying to leave too. And Lee says, hold on, hold on, we're Bajorans. Like we need to stay here and solve our own problems. Let these people, these others go.

He's convincing and the Bajorans follow him. And so you see the Bajorans back off, let the Starfleaders go. I did want to say one thing. When Lee's giving this big speech, Morn is right behind him. I saw Morn And he's emphasizing Lee is emphasizing these things and you see Morn behind him

pumping his fist every time Lee is emphasizing something and I thought that's funny to me it was just it was a funny bit Morn really got into this moment I did not see Morn because my eyes went another direction in front of Lee Nalas

not behind Lee Nalus did you see who that was Robbie that was LEM do you remember LEM Yes I did see him. You're right. Lem was background.

Lem is the African-American actor who ended up doing stand-up. He did stand-in for Tim for a while. Yeah, for Tim Russ for a long time. And he was our long-term guy on our set. He was a regular on our show. Yeah. So there was Lemuel. That's his full name.

So Lem was there. Was Lem pumping his fist like Morn? No. There was no fist pumping. So I didn't see him. Only Morn. Yes. No one had told Mark Shepard, I'm sure, that he wasn't included in that.

He was getting on. He was one of the aliens who was getting to leave. Yeah. Yeah. It seemed odd that Morn was the one who was mostly, he was the most emotionally moved. By Lee Knollas. Yeah. But yet he's leaving.

So it doesn't. Please all our listeners, go back and watch this speech moment and just watch Mourn. He's amazing. He's amazing. So the Bajorans follow Liyah. And then Jake arrives and there's a very tender moment with Cisco. He gives Jake a letter. and he says, you know, wait to read this

because Jake says something like, I'll read it as soon as I sit down. And Cisco's like, no, no, no. I'd rather you wait a little while to read it. So, you know, it does feel like Cisco's prepared to maybe not survive this and not see Jake again, which is, as we know, a big, big deal. Yeah.

Yeah. And then Bashir comes out, says everybody's on, and the ship's full and the door is shut. And that's when we hear quark. wait no wait and we cut over he's dragging this very heavy suitcase filled with latinum clearly and he says rom has his ticket uh but bashir says no rom's in there uh but he's got a dabble girl in the seat next to him he must have sold your ticket and they leave and poor cork is just left with his shiny suitcase and he's a bit terrified yeah terrified wouldn't you be

yes i would you know they're coming and they're going to kill off anybody who isn't pejorin yeah yeah you would be terrified yes that ending's line armin when you're yelling you're like i i'll be hung called the ship's back i'll pay anyone five bars a gold 10 bars 20 it reminded me of the end of that iconic film trading places with dan acroyd and and uh eddie murphy so they're trying to pull the ruse on the the the really wealthy trader guy and they lose everything. And they're like, turn the back on, please.

It was the same sort of desperation. Oh, that's funny. It reminded me of that film. Well, I'm in good company then. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yeah, so Quark is left sitting on his suitcase.

By the way, that suitcase was beautiful. Very shiny. Yeah. I would like to get a set of that luggage. It's nice. You can. It's called Rimawa. That's the company that makes those kind of stainless steel suitcases.

Oh, my gosh. Very high-end suitcase company, Rimawa. Okay, so I'm going to sidebar. I'm going to digress for a minute. I noticed how many bulkheads you have on the floor. As you're dragging that suitcase, I realized he's got to get it over these humps all, like, yeah, it would be hard to move things through some of those hallways. And then my mind went to, what about dollies?

What about moving the camera in that set? That must have been tricky sometimes in terms of staging the actors if you had to step over a bulkhead. Well, yeah, the airlocks had a lot of bulkheads. Yeah, they were meant to have us. I'm sure we did put cameras in them, but yeah, it would be difficult. But all of our set was meant to be multi-leveled so that the cameras would have different positions that they could be on to shoot people.

And we've seen a lot of that during the course of the last two seasons. Yeah, yeah. This is the first episode where I started thinking about the logistics of actors having to drag suitcases. I think in that hallway there wasn't a bulkhead that you had to cross, but in the tubes and things like that. That's a Jeffreys tube, yeah. Yeah, the Jeffries tube had all these humps

that you would have to take that heavy suitcase. And how would you move the props around if they were supposed to be heavy? How would you move the camera around? There were some challenges there that I hadn't noticed before. Well, the Jeffries tubes, as I remember them, were all enclosed. So if you had to take a prop into that,

you had, what couldn't be dropped in from above, you had to go in from the, you know, All the way down the tube. We have a space shot after poor Cork is left with his nice luggage, again, we want that luggage. All the latinum come by. Yes. The Bajoran assault ships are docking. They're arriving, so bad guys are showing up.

We cut to an airlock. We see Bajorans coming out with their weapons drawn, looking around. The place is empty, deserted. How many Bajorans? Just take a guess. It doesn't have to be exactly. Six. Okay, six.

Four. Four. I think it's closer to four and six. But whether it's four or six, keep that number in mind. That's the force that we see, plus the two that are about to come in. So let's say eight, being nice, eight. And how many Starfleet people did we see in the first shot? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't send an army. They talk about they're vastly outnumbered, how the Starfleet people are vastly outnumbered by the Bajorans. If there's three assault ships, there should have been a, at least 100 troops on the ground, 100, you know, sets of boots. Easily.

This is one of my major problems about this episode. Yeah. The numbers don't add up. Yeah. The numbers don't add up. No. And the sense of threat is not as palpable in my mind as it should be. Yeah.

I don't disagree with you. I didn't really clock it as I watched it, but now that you mentioned it, it didn't feel as epic. I think they were counting on seeing Steve, the audience seeing Stephen Weber's face and going, wait, how do I know him? So they're going to be distracted from the fact that there aren't that many. In this scene, that's what Robbie did. I was like, I know that guy. I know that guy.

It still didn't land for me. They were so smart. Did you have Stephen Weber there to confuse everyone? We go to the promenade now our four or five pejorie army. Our army of four or five are the assault force of four. Yes. They're running through the promenade. And Krim shows up.

He says, you know, this is really odd that Starfleet abandoned this place so easily. If he were the commander, he would not have abandoned the place so easily. So he's already suspicious. As they continue through the promenade, we cut to a shot that's like looking down through a grate or something. And we reveal that as Cisco and company looking down from the Jeffrey's tube or the, I think these are not Jeffrey's tubes because they're- No, they're actually the condo. conduits, like where the certain conduits that the Cardassians use for, I'm not sure exactly

what, but they're shielded with a certain. They are shielded with tritanium or something. Later on we find that out. But we see this POV, so they're all hiding out. Cisco and company are up there. They're in civilian clothes, and they're hiding out up in the tubes. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir.

The script and you both agree on that. The script says, yes, make sure it says to the director, the right is right to the director in the script. Make sure that they're in civilian clothes. Okay, great. Now, they don't have bumps on their noses. So no matter whether they're in civilian clothes or not, they're not going to, they're not. No. No, I understand, okay, take them out of the uniforms, give Bob Blackman something else to design. But I went, why did they have to be in civilian clothes? Yeah. And it said that in the script, you said, right? Yeah. Armand, to further your point, point, we also, we do end up seeing a Terry Farrell, a Dax with a altered nose to look

Bajorn. They should have made everyone, Cisco, all of them should have had that and the civilian clothes, right? Everyone should have had altered Bajorn looking noses, I think. And to that fact, Karen, and I didn't mention it before, one of the things that really I loved seeing is in that scene that you talked about with Lina was talking to the crowd and Warren pumping his hand. There were a lot of Bajorans in that scene.

Yeah. There were a lot of noses. And I thought, oh, my God, the makeup crew must have been in overtime to give all those background of people noses. Yeah. That must have been some good at me. Yeah. Yeah.

I got to say, you guys had more day checkers that came into work on D-Space 9 because of the extra work. So compared to Voyager, we'd get day checkers every now and them. But it seemed like, at least for DS9, it seemed like a regular thing that you guys had that many makeup artists on set. You're absolutely right. We always had a lot more makeup people there. They were working around the clock. Yeah. We talked to Mark Shostrom as an interview during Voyager.

Yeah. And he started as a day checker on DS9. He became one of our. That's what he said. I think he did. Yeah. And that's how he got to meet Mike Westmore, who then brought him on as one of the main makeup artists on Voyager later on. I think those day-checking jobs on your show were probably an entry way for a lot of people that built much bigger careers, whether it was with Star Trek or things like that.

Michael was a great mentor to a lot of makeup people. He helped them build their careers. He is one of the great heroes of the makeup industry. And I was very pleased to have honored him this year, an award from the makeup guild. That's awesome. They're looking at the Bajoran army of four. as they pass and then we cut to the lunar cabin on planet hell lots of cobwebs here kieran dax are moving through these caves and i love the fact that dax is terrified of sponsors i love the way

terry played it it made me laugh it made me smile it was really funny uh yeah she's very allergic and terrified of of spiders well wouldn't you if the spider was the size of a dog yes so that thing was huge. But I love that they set up, she already had that phobia. She's talking about spiders before the giant spider dog even appears. And when it appears, her reaction is great. There's a giant spider dog. Kira says that they used to eat them when they were stationed here. Oh. It does not make Dax very happy. Before we go any further, she's not here so she can't hear me. Maybe she'll hear it when we play when this plays. But I think Terry's work in this episode is some of her finest. It's really incredibly good and you talked about how fearful she was of spiders i wish some of the other series

regulars were as fearful in this show in this episode as she was of the spiders of spiders yeah yeah there was a there was a kind of a cool calm collected approach to to all of this the siege yeah and as we know the siege has to do with heron buds and that's terrifying so they should have been more terrified forgive me i don't don't mean to criticize my fellow actors but dax was more terrified of spiders and insects that some of the the starfleet people were the fact that they were about to be decimated by a foreign force yes yeah that's true yeah stakes should have been higher much higher yes and maybe a few of them should have said i'm not going to stay i'm leaving right they all agree they're going to stay i thought that was very yeah that's why caco's argument is the one that i want to follow yes and it was

the only dissenting opinion. Everyone else went along with it. They were like, yep, we'll stay. Everyone else was a superhero. They were. Yeah. They were playing superhero and not the real stakes and circumstances. Well, they see this giant spider, the paluca. I love that spider, by the way. It looked like. It looked like a big tarantula. It looked like a tarantula on radiation kind of poisoning or it's like massive now. It's a massive tarantula. Yeah, it was pretty cool. You think that was just a little remote control car with a little, like, arm stuff on it and just, yeah. I think it was a puppet of some sort, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I would think so. They do see the shuttle that they're looking for and from a distance and they start walking to it as they're speaking. They're saying, or Dax says something like, are you sure this can fly? And Kira says, oh, I've seen a lot worse. But as they're walking to it, I notice there's a split screen. It's the cave set. And then my thought went to, they never finished the outside of these shuttle sets. They only built the inside because usually on the outside it was a vis effects of some kind.

So I bet that shot of them walking towards the outside of that shuttle, I bet it was a vis effect. I doubt they constructed the outside of a shuttle for that shot. Anyway, a little detail, but they walk over and then we cut inside this cockpit of the raider and Kira's leading Dax inside. Dax says, this thing is tiny. It's dirty and falling apart, and it's tiny, and it's made for short people. I love this whole exchange. It's very funny.

This whole shuttle when they're in the inside, it looks like the most unstable and unsturdy vessel in all of Star Trek. I mean, the way she's closing the little things down, it's very jerky. I was almost waiting for her, Robbie, to reach over to wind, you know, like the old fashion windows that we used to wind down that she does that and the shuttle doors uh the sides come down it was that not sturdy it was that not sturdy it was that not sturdy and i feel like that little the shutter thing that the door that yeah that's what i'm talking about the door it was jerky when it came down you know jerky and i feel like it was see-through i don't even think this thing was like there was i feel like whatever they used for that you could see through it back into the cave it looked like slats

they were like slats like blinds like yeah like blinds They need to shut the blinds. Or you get blinded by the sun. Yeah, exactly. But they climb in, Kira fires it up. And I think Dax says, we'll get this thing working because I'm not staying. I have no intention of staying here and eating spider dogs, basically. Eating paliscus, yeah.

It's very funny. Yeah. There's some comedy in this episode with the- Terry is very good. She's very good, very good. Yeah. Not as good as Morn. Morn was...

Morn with the hand hitting like that. With the hand pumped, the fist pumping. I really want everybody to go back and watch more. We're going to. He's very emotionally engaged in that speech. We go to ops next. This is where I put Stephen Weber together. I was like, oh, my God, I've been watching this show now for half an hour,

and I finally realized it's Stephen Weber. He looked like a baby. He's very young. Very young. And clearly a Star Trek fan, too, is what am I guess. I guess so, yeah. I would think so. This cast, I mean, you've got Frank Langella, you've got an amazing guest.

Louise Fletcher. I mean, the list goes on. Richard Bamer. This is really, it's like a dream cast is what it is. It is. But Stephen Weber, who I now realize is playing Day. Yes. He wants to check him with Jarro.

He wants to check him with the bad guy with Franklangello. And Crim, the general says, oh, you just want plot it. You want approval. You want, you know, praise for what you've done so far. And Day has an evil look. Stephen Weber, when he gets smacked down by Crim in this moment, I was like, oh this is going to be trouble oh you saw it in this scene you know yeah i saw it immediately because it's like a close-up on day and he listens to crim his eyes kind of dart it was great he is there

to report to a jarro jarro yes he's there to report back to the to the authorities that that's what he's there he's in the military but he's there to report back to the authorities yeah the military is not fully on board with jarro they're they're going along with the government's you know uh instructions, but they're not, they're not politically sided with Jaro, whereas Stephen Weber is. He wants, yeah. I thought that also the general is cited with Jaro as well in this scene. The general is like, I'm a government guy. I'll do what the government says, but I felt like in that previous episode, when he's in

the scene with Cisco, and he says, oh, you could have traded for this, but you didn't. I'll remember that about you. Yeah. I felt like he was a good guy. Like, that was a way of the writer saying, this guy is, he's a good guy. He's not a political guy. Yeah, but there's a scene that hasn't come up yet where Cisco says, like, we don't concern ourselves with anything but the one general here who is sided with the wrong side,

referring to Krim. But innocently, I think innocently, he doesn't. But when we get to that scene, when we get to that scene, I have another comment about that dialogue too, yes. That's fine. So there's this evil look from day. And then Krim orders the staff on ops to scan for life signs, organic signatures. They do talk about Odo being missing, the security officer's missing.

They do particularly point him out. And he says, scan six times an hour, keep looking for organic signs, which could include Odo or anyone else. And then he starts to walk up to the dark office. And I noticed that dark office, Cisco's office was dark. All the lights were out. And I thought that was interesting. It was just to me an interesting detail.

I liked it, whether Marvin Rush chose it or not, because it was suggesting that they had left, They had abandoned this place and turn off the lights. You know, normally you'd see the whole set kind of evenly lit, but it was a nice detail of storytelling that cinematographers and directors can make those little choices that sometimes you don't even notice consciously, but they land somewhere. They help tell the story. Yeah. He starts to go up into his office, and then before he gets in the office, Day brings Jaro up on the

screen. He's kind of ignored grim. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. all the communications are down, right? Oh, my gosh. You just caught them. Oh, Armant.

They have the secret. They have a secret. Yes. Codes, the channels. Yes, the Bajorans, when the communications are down, the assault vessels actually have the little tin can with the rope, and it's all the way. It's a very long rope to Bejor, and they just use that.

Yeah. Excellent, excellent. Excellent. I'm glad we solved that. We solved that one. I would propose. something a little more tech than tin cans i would say that the military channels are very specific and that these guys have military channels they can communicate with whereas all the other channels

are shut down but they beam up into something in the station not on the military ship it's on the station the station is not a military ship yeah no it's a good catch i didn't even think about it there are others that i will bring i love it i love i love gotcha moments i love gotchas okay we're happy for them, that's for sure. Thank you for bringing that one up. Day brings Jaro up, Franklin, Jellabat, evil guy. Day says, this is a big success. And Crim goes, wait a minute, the battle hasn't even started. Like, no, it's not a success yet. And then Crim says security net's been sabotaged, Odo's missing. So is Lee Nala. So there's a lot of things that aren't great. Right. So Day's not happy about it. He wanted to claim success, but Crim's reigning on his parade here.

Yeah. Jaro agrees that Lee would not abandon the station when Crim brings up Lee. He says, yeah, I don't think Lee would leave with the Starfleet people. So he's probably is there. But Jarro says, capture him alive. Don't make him, don't kill him because dead he's a martyr. He says take every necessary step to keep Lidnais alive. Yes. Yeah. I love the simplicity of Frank Langello in that scene, by the way. Yeah. He was very still. Is this? Is this the shot where you see after this conversation between Day and Jaro is done and you see, is the camera on Jaro and then it tilts and then you see when? Is that the shot? Yeah. Yeah. And this, by the way, is a winner. This shot that starts below the thing comes up and reveals when.

Yeah. It's one shot. There's no cuts in it. She comes forward. It pushes in a little tighter. Then she moves around away from him and then he moves around and puts his hands on her all one shot beautifully, beautifully choreographed. And a loving shot for the two actors for,

it's as though Barron was saying, these are two wonderful movie actors, and I'm going to make it look really good. Yes. Let them do their thing. Let them do their thing. And as much as Louise was a good close friend, and I don't know Frank Langella at all,

but I thought, I understand the importance of the scene. What I didn't understand was the pace of the scene. Yeah. Well, the reason it was slow, I think, is what you mean, is that it was a oneer. There were no cuts. So if they didn't play it a little pace here, you get what you get. Yeah, well, that's absolutely true.

And also, I thought it was, as I said before, I thought it was an homage to these two wonderful actors. Let them do their stuff. Let us watch in awe of their abilities. And they're good. They're very good. Yeah. For what this episode is about, we need more pace.

Yeah, I don't disagree. It did get a little slow at times. So we see Jaro signs off. We reveal wins behind him. She thinks once Lee Nalus has captured that he's going to see the wisdom of coming to their side and supporting Jaro. And Jaro says to her, well, as soon as I'm sworn in, I'm going to direct the Vedic Assembly to make her the Kai. and as they're having this conversation about politics and how powerful they're going to be,

we end up with Frank Langello with his arms, you know, on hers. It's almost like a prom photo. It's like he steps behind her and his heads next to hers. It felt like a prom moment, like, you know, that kind of vibe. But it was nice. It was a nice scene. It's an homage. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff going on with all the Bajorans. We have Vedic Barrio and Kira, something that's possibly going on there. And then we have Wyn and Jaro, something happening. Bajorans are just romantics. They are. It's like a romance novel.

That's planet Bejor. All right, we go inside the cockpit. The Raider is fired up. The engine startup shot is kind of cool. It's inside. Dax is working on the guts of this raider. And she tries to get back to her seat. bumps her head another funny bit very excellently well played the whole thing is shaking and rattling

and they must have been rattling the set because the set was moving it wasn't just shaking the camera like we do all the time and then kira starts to try and fly this thing i do like in the scene where dax says to herself when she's back in that little closet that little compartment or whatever she says very quietly to herself thank you tobin which just made me laugh She does not want to stay around these spider dogs any longer than she has to. And Kira says something in the scene that surprised me. Well, Dax says, how did you ever win a war in these raiderships, these things? And Kira says, we were the insects, Lieutenant.

The Kardashians were just as allergic as trills. And I wasn't clear. Does that mean Cardassians are afraid of bugs too? No, no, no, no, no. Or it means that they were like the insects and that, you know, the Kardashians didn't want to fight the Bajornes anymore because they were. like insects, bugging them all the time or something.

Yeah, I think that's what it meant that they were bugging them all the time and a nuisance and would sting and would sting. Yeah. I wish that they had made some joke here about Cardassians being afraid of bugs too because I think that would be a funny bit

to know about Cardassians that they're so, you know, intimidating, but yet they see a spider and they're like, ah, I think that would be great. Is that your missing scene? No, I have another missing scene. But I'll add that to it because that would have been funny to me. All right.

We go in the commander's office. Krim is now in the commander's. He's in Cisco's chair. Day is wound up in the scene. He wants to search and attack these starfleaders. He wants to find them. Krim's military strategy is very smart. He goes, don't divide our forces up.

Yeah, there's only six of them. Yes. Don't divide our small forces. I wanted Krim to have a copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War on the desk, him that he's been through like i've been studying military tactics so there you go yeah he refers to military tactics a lot as a character he's always thinking big picture yeah but he says uh you know let's keep our forces together remember in the script day is a political officer he's reporting to jarro he's he's reporting i'm sure he has military background as well he's the political officer

yeah yeah whereas where's uh crim is a real honest to goodness military officer who's won wars and probably battled the Cardassians for 10 years. Yeah. Day is basically the highest ranking Bajoran officer that is part of the circle and probably open about it too, is what I'm thinking. Did you notice that CRIM is the only military officer, military person in this entire party, this army that they brought? CRIM is the only one that has like the epaulettes on his shoulder.

Everybody else just has like jumpsuits. But he's got a military. No one else has. Yeah, I did notice that. He's the only one. That's weird. And they didn't look that well sewn on. No, they didn't.

It looked like they were like felt crowed. Yeah. What did they have? Did they not have epaulettes? No. The next, Stephen Weber. Stephen Weber. He had nothing?

Nobody had anything except Krim. Are you sure? Okay. I have to go back to watch more and doing this, and I'm going to look for the epaulence now. Yes. Yes. That's good.

Okay. And see if you can find the rest of the army somewhere. I'll keep looking for the rest of the army. They're hidden under a rock somewhere, clearly. Yeah. Okay. So Day is really wound up and then suddenly the lights go off and day says, I'm not waiting. I'm not going to, I'm not going to wait.

I would call that treason at this point because he says to his general, his boss, he says, you can let your engineers play with the machines all you want. I'm sending out a search party. That's, I don't know what you call it, treason. Yes, because he's only a colonel. Yeah, arrest that guy, throw him in the brig. Like, yeah, I was just shocked. It's a coup happening right there.

Good catch. Good catch. I like that. We go inside the conduit. Cisco and the team are hiding and waiting in the conduits. This is where Miles passes the combat rations. They have a whole runner on combat rations. I wanted to try those rations.

It made me a little hungry. No, but think about that. Remember what they said? That one little bar lasts for three days. All you have to do is eat that little tiny little power bar. And that powers you for three days? That would be, oh, I would love that. that not to have to eat it's called ozempic osmpic bars oh oh oh oh zampic okay all right thank you it's funny when

i eat a power bar it makes me one another power bar yeah like it does the act because there's so much sugar in those little granola bars that it's like well yeah clearly in the future they figured it they figured it they figured nutrition out most other than we know i love that that's funny ozepic bar anyone okay miles passes out these combat rations he loves them nobody else likes them, Odo calls and says a patrol is approaching. So clearly Odo is disguised. We haven't seen him yet, but he's disguised and kind of watching these guys. He says, stand by, there's a patrol approaching. I'll get back to you in a minute. We cut out to a corridor, this patrol, basically the whole army, all six of them, are walking down the corridor. And then Odo, as they

pass, they're like 10 feet away. And he comes out of the wall. And I'm like, dude, they're right there. I know. Somebody almost turned around. He literally from stomach up, he pops out, right? Where he should have just been like one eye, maybe, just one single eye coming out. I don't know. Yeah.

He's a little too close to be popping his whole body out of the wall. Yeah. I have a question. So when he says scam for organic material every six hours, isn't Odo organic material? I would think so. I'm not a scientist. I wouldn't know. but I would assume that he would think so too

and he's not inside the conduits with the tritanium shielding so they would pick up Odo that's what bugs me here his head out maybe that is what you're saying is that what you're if he's if he's in disguise able to see them in whatever form he's in

he can't be inside a conduit oh and I totally agree with you and I think that's why Grimm gave the order is to find the shape shifter yeah look for the organ material because we won't know you know we won't be able to recognize him because he won't look humanoid so so we need to find out where he is that's the whole purpose yes yeah they even for that line exactly in that that couplet that exchange they specifically bring up odo and that's when he specifically says scan for organic so it definitely is connected yeah

therefore if odo this is a bump for me that if the whole safe the only safe place is in these conduits because of the Cardassian shielding, Odo can't be just hanging out on the wall. They'd pick him up. Anyway. Okay. I gotcha. That's my gotcha moment. Odo tells him where they're headed.

Bashir says, well, that's closest to me, basically. And Miles says, maybe we could send Lee over there. And Cisco says, no, I need Lee to stay with me here in our conduit. So Bashir's got to take care of this. Bashir heads out. And Bashir is military? or medical? No, he's a nurse.

Arm is right about that. I mean, he's medical, but yet he's talked to by Cisco as if he's part of a SWAT team or a Marine detachment or something. Like, go ahead and do this mission for us. I'm like, what? So I was a little weirded out by that, too. He's a doctor. Yeah.

And by the way, like, I've seen people on Star Trek who are not prepared or equipped for a certain mission go out into the mission. But usually there's a moment of them going, I'm not. prepared for this i'm a doctor i mean scottie did it all the time i'm a doctor not a whatever swat guy right it feels like there needed to be that moment just to acknowledge i'm not a swat guy but i'll try you know or something like we're in such a pinch that i have to be a military guy now that would have cleared the slate for me if if they had just acknowledged it but i had the same thought yeah yeah anyway we go to the cargo bay and the search parties in there by the way i love those

barrels the yellow barrels i just thought they look cool i'd never seen the yellow barrels i think we use them again i think there's several episodes where those barrels come we never had yellow barrels in our show everything was gray everything was gray or black the search party comes in and bashear kicks this grading open and starfleaders pop up out of barrels and things couple problems yeah grading looked very flimsy it didn't look like no like a space station metal. It looked like plastic that was bending. And the other thing is, he says,

I wouldn't get too close to those, meaning the yellow barrels. It's thorium isotope. Prolonged exposure could have very nasty consequences. Well, then why did the Starfleet guys just pop out of them? They were in the same barrels that you're saying, don't stand too close to. I don't know.

It might have been a lie. Yeah, maybe it was. Or the doctor inoculated them before. hand from thorium poisoning. Maybe. Maybe. It seemed confusing, like two conflicting ideas like you're saying. There's a lot of elements in this episode that just don't make sense.

And hence, what Armin said earlier. He wasn't a big fan of this episode. I can't wait until we get to the ratings. Oh, I know. Losers and all that. Yeah, and our bonus material. They've captured this group, mission accomplished. They say we have our first five prisoners of war.

So that means five of the six-man army are. Now, only one left of the army. There's only one guy left, yes. And that's Day. That's Stephen Weber. Day and grim. Yeah, exactly. All right, we go back in the Raider cockpit.

They're near Bejor. Dach says the sensors aren't working, so they can't tell, they can't defend themselves. Yeah. Kira says something like, you know, I'm not worried. I'm not worried. Exactly. I'm not worried. Let's just fly by the seat of our pants.

See, that sounds like Tom Paris. This is like a Tom Paris line. was a little jealous she makes some cool moves in this she did she does she does she makes some very cool flying moves yes she does yeah but she says we'll have to fly by the seat of her pants dach says great seat of the pants technology yeah and kira criticizes starfleet for relying on gadgets and gizmos too much just that exchange was funny to me yeah it was and you know cruisers are attacking them I've seen space battles before. This little run of whatever it's called, the raider, would have exploded on the first hit.

In the script, they describe it as a biplane. Not that it looks like a biplane, but compared to jets, it's a biplane. It's a biplane. And so this biplane is outrunning these cruisers that have all the navigational skills and technology working, one would assume. And that they are succeeding of avoiding that. And I love Nana and she's a brilliant actress But I'm going You have to have some trepidation about this

If not for yourself, for your friend, Dax, sitting behind you Yeah They were Vic Cavalier is the right word Everybody's playing superhero Cavalier She does a cool move, turns a shuttle around Does some cool moves here She realizes if I can get into Bay Jor's atmosphere They can't use their impulse engines

Will be on an even playing field Yes So she's heading down to Bay Jor here Okay, so we go in the security office next. O'Brien is there trying to get a component out from some wall panel. He's got Lee with him and suddenly there's some phaser fire. The Bajoran Army, I guess, has arrived up in the balcony outside the security. So they're sort of firing into this open door security office. Why they didn't shut the door while they're sneaking in there to get the thing, I don't know.

But they're firing from outside on the balcony. So they're kind of trapped. They're hiding under the desk, Lee and Miles, and he calls Cisco for help and Cisco's team comes out from another side of the of the promenade. They come out of an airlock and they start firing at the at the troops. I was going to say what's left on the Bajoran troops. Yeah, the Bajoran troops. Yeah. Diverting the troops away. And then they roll this smoke bomb. What was that? What was that? I'm thinking like smoke, that feels like medieval technology. me. Well, here's a thing. That thing was huge. It was a big ball that he rolls out. I would think that by this era would be smaller, more compact, not needing something the size of a bowling

ball, practically. On so many levels, it felt like something out of, like, not even revolutionary war, like pre-revolution. It just felt so old this concept of we're going to create a smokescreen and they're going to be able to run through it. Speaking of old technology, the smokescreen works they get out of there and then the the bad guys are chasing after them and otto morphs into a trip wire and i thought oh my god old school and rogue runner style at the same time i love it i think it's great and that brought to mind for me yes one of the great mistakes in this episode yes yeah you have this army of a pejorance yeah and you have odo now odo can cause great problems for this army.

He can do tons of things like that. Tons of things. You don't even need to attack them. Just let Odo do his stuff. Let him confuse these people. Let him do all of that. And you gave us two morphs. You gave the one coming out of the wall.

And you gave us this tripwire. That's more than we've ever done and will ever do again. Those things are expensive. they're not going to do that again but it occurred to me you've got you've got this secret weapon you've got odo odo can can foil these six eight guys easily yeah and that's when i stopped believing in the siege that's when i went yeah no no no no the whole trip wire it was kind of keystone copsish in a way it was it was it was a little silly yes it was creative it was a creative idea but it just felt like in that moment going to silly

was the wrong, like between the smoke bomb and the trip wire, for me, I was like, this is feeling silly. Were you laughing? The battle feels silly. It doesn't feel... Did you laugh, though? I did laugh. I put in my notes, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. There you go. That means I laughed. Okay. You laughed.

I put ha, ha, ha, ha, roadrunner style. Yeah. The tension is missing. The pace is missing. I love humor. I'm the comic relief on this show. There's too much. There is no tension and putting in comic relief makes it even less tense. Yes, yes, exactly. That's how I felt in this scene.

I wanted more, yeah, more of a real battle. This is their big battle scene. This is about it. Anyway, so roadrunner trip and we go to ships chasing Keir's shuttle. Now they're down in the atmosphere. They're in daylight. And I have to say, we're inside the cockpit. She's flying the thing around.

Aplause for Marvin Rush. Big shout out to Marvin. because normally we fly shuttles in space, it's dark. You don't get much interactive light. Yes. But in the atmosphere, he had a sun. Yes. He had a big light out there that had to move around

because the set's not moving. So to create that sort of flying with a sunlight changing and moving around, he must have had a big, big old light outside that was constantly kind of shifting and going up and down and moving around. I just like that detail. I know it was hard work for them to go. create that, but it was, it looked great. The little raiders flying around, uh, on thrusters. The, uh, Bajoran guys have to fly on thrusters too because they're in there. It's a seat of

the pants firefight basically is what's happening. Yeah. Two Tomcats against a biplane. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. She does a cool maneuver, though. She says, get ready. And then she does like, I called it the flippity do. She does like the, woo goes up and around. That was very good. That was very good. The flippity do was pretty cool. She does her thing. She comes around. Dax has to shoot visuals only, which I thought she did a very nice job on that. And they do get a direct hit on that one ship, but then they start to, there's another one. Raiders falling apart. Do they get both of them? No, they got one, but the other one is still coming at them. Yeah, there's another one coming at us. They take a hit and they're about to crash, basically. And I thought, this thing doesn't have any kind of gravitational stabilizers. They don't have seatbelt. on it. They're dead. Yeah, but they did that old thing that you do on a commercial airliner. Yeah, they did that thing. Remember the little, that that will help. Yeah. That'll do so. Yeah, I don't know how they survived. It saved their lives. It saved their lives. It clearly was the right move. I'm just going to say seatbelts. I know. It's crazy. We should have had seat belts.

Nothing from the TNG Voyager DS9 era ever had seatbelts. No one had seatbelts. So there you go. So they're starting to crash. We cut away to Quarks where Stephen Weber. a.k.a. Day, Colonel Day, is leading his patrol of three soldiers, whatever it is, through quarks. They're looking around. They're searching quarks. It's dark. It's smoky. And then suddenly an off-camera soldier somewhere from above says, sir, one of the Ferengi Hollisweets is in use. I did catch Stephen Weber. I'm sure the script supervisor was reading this line. And he was told, look up at the balcony. But he didn't have a solid eyeline. because he sort of looked up and glanced around as if multiple people were talking to him,

but they only looped in one person. Well, there are multiple hollow suites up there. Oh, yeah. Maybe he was looking at the Hall of Suites. It's just his eyeline bothered me for some reason. I know it's a stupid detail, but I was like, who are you talking to? Your eyes are darting all around. Anyway, they go inside the Hollisweet.

There's Cisco. There's Lee Hollis. There's O'Brien. I was like, no, they caught them around a table. day says don't move get their weapons suddenly the door shuts in the holodeck

they're holograms yeah okay they're holograms so them running into that hollow suite is very keystone cops again like why would they be hiding in a hollow suite

with no exit it makes no sense let me ask you this arm and you may know the answer if they had created holograms of Cisco and O'Brien and Lee Nallis

and they bring them and they shut the door could they have the holograms fight them are their safeties on I don't I don't Well, yes, you know, hey, that's a great question. I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know either. I don't know if the safeties would prevent them from being able to. From being hurt. Yeah. Yeah. But you can remove the safety protocols, though. You could. Yeah.

You could. I just thought, like, that would have been a cool weapon to say, fight our holograms. Like, we've tricked you into. Hey, Robbie, if you remember, the Voyager episode on the Polynesian set, those holograms were trying to kill. us. Do you remember that? They were like, hey, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, they could have done that for sure. Good, good call. I felt like, I felt like they just disappeared and I'm like, wait, that was a weapon. You actually had holograms. Like, you could have used that somehow. Yeah. Yeah.

But instead, they just trap them in there. Yeah. And then Cisco, I think, tells them about the Cardassian plan that, you know, you've been buying weapons for Cardassians. And Cisco tells them that they will present the evidence to the entire council. And he has, you know, you've been buying weapons for Cardassian's, and he hopes they don't mind hanging out here for a little while eating some Starfleet rations while they're his guests. But then I didn't understand this. He beams day back to ops. Does he, he's just assuming day is going to tell, tell the general. That's what I bought it as. Yes. That's the assumption. I think that that's a naive assumption. It is a naive assumption. and it's pretty much filled with holes in a moment.

And what I found to be distracting about that, if they can beam him out of there, can't they beam anybody anywhere? Yeah, why didn't they just beam them all into... Yeah. They could have just beamed all these pejorans into a cargo hold or something. Exactly.

Armand did not like this episode. No, because it just, you know, it's f***ed with my... mind. It just, there was, there was just too many holes. And there was no tension. And I'll get to that. Okay, okay. I'm sure there are people who loved it. I'm sure there are. You know, it's funny. I actually love, I like this episode, but as we're talking about it, I'm starting to go, oh yeah, it didn't make sense. But I enjoyed the ride generally. I thought, I did. I thought the performances were all really, really good in this. They are. Although, you're right, there should

have been higher stakes. I didn't feel that lacking as I watched it, but now in hindsight, you're absolutely right. I didn't see looking for private Ryan. I did not see the fact that these people were facing death. I saw more fear from Terry for spiders. Yes. Yeah. She was good. And I saw from some of the other people. Yeah, I don't know why Cisco wouldn't say, here's what's up. Cardassians are doing this thing. Jaro doesn't know about it. And it and you need to go tell your boss. Even if Cisco had naively taken a, yes, I'll go tell my boss without, you know, he might have, he might have accepted that, taking him in his word, but at least they would have

had that exchange. Whereas for me, I was confused. Like, you just told him the whole thing and now you're beaming him back. You didn't confirm that he's going to, that he's on your side. It just seemed that that was a hold to me. Couldn't he have, couldn't Cisco have basically? O'Brien, okay, we'll keep day, Colonel Day, locked in there. Now broadcast the video of the interior of this as I'm telling him that the Cardassians are behind it.

Broadcast that to the rest of the station or to the monitor that General Cream is sitting at in Cisco's office. You know, you could do that too. It's like, look, here's your guy. I caught him. Look how good we are. We're rebels. You can't find us. Ha ha.

And here's the news. The Kardashians are behind. all the weapons. And then boom, now General Krim would know. Because he basically turned all of his cards over to a strain to a, to handsome young Stephen Weber. Some young Stephen Weber. And assumed, without even saying directly what he was telling him he needed him to do. Well, clearly just assumed he's going to go do it. It was he gave up all control. Well, Cisco was mesmerized by a young handsome Stephen Weber. It was his good looks. Just like we didn't think about the massive army that should be there.

because we saw young handsome Stephen Weber. We didn't care. We were like, okay, that's fine. Yeah, that makes sense. I really hope Stephen Weber hears this podcast. But anyway, Day gets beamback. Krim says, what happened? He talked to Cisco.

He says, what did he say? Day says, oh, nothing, nothing of any importance. So he flat out lies. Flat out lies. Day says something like, I promised amnesty, but I have no intention of keeping that promise. I'm not on Team Stephen Weber at this point. Day does remember in this moment

that the Kardashians used deranium composite to shield all of their conduits. That's why they can't find them. Not to mention that they're outnumbered. There's more Starfleet people. So now they know they're somewhere in the conduits. They're going to get started on that. We go to the forest.

Kira is badly hurt. so they say she has a ripped shoulder but no blood or no injury that i could see because she's not yeah i i got confused by that too but then i i read this script okay she's hurt in the hip not in the shoulder what well well when she stands up you do see a rip on her thigh area but again no blood or i just didn't understand the costume didn't fit with the injury makeup there was no teamwork going on there well maybe it was cauterized from some type of energy okay all right Sure. Sure, question mark. They're in the jungle.

Kira orders Dax to go tell them that she's too injured to go. And Dax says, it'll mean more coming from you. You're a Bajorn. They hear some noises. Dax tries to help her walk to hide. Here's one thing I will say about, and I don't know if it's directing, if it's the actor, if it's the script. But I did feel like Kira's injuries were all over the place, moment to moment.

I didn't feel a building of continuity. Sometimes she had a lot of focus and energy, and sometimes she was passing out. But in this scene, she suffers as she walks. She gets over. She sees, you know, they're hiding as some but George passed by. Search party, exactly.

Passes by in the foreground. And then she passes out in her head falls on a log or something. Which I thought, ouch, that must have hurt. Because she really, like, let it just fall down. She did. yeah she's a method actress that was her that wasn't her stunt double no that was her no no no yeah that was definitely her she headbut that log we have a space shot we cut inside conduit three

otto uh tells cisco from off camera somewhere otto says they're starting to gas the conduits they're starting on level five and they're on level three so luckily they've got a little bit of time but they're gassing level five miles says they've got to get at out of here. They haven't heard from Kira yet. They don't know if Kira's delivered this news to the to the council. This is where Cisco says, I think Lee can help here.

And Cisco says, Jaro needs the military if he's going to have pulled his coup off. But if Lee can convince the military to not support them, then he can stop this coup from happening. Isn't this where he says, right now I'm

only concerned with one general? That's the one that's here. yeah that's the one how does he know how does he know who's here like i there's only eight guys there's only one general i guess so it's a colonel the general and then six guy army yeah yeah colonel general six guy army like the only one that ever talked to crim though is cisco he talked to him in the previous episode yeah nobody else would say oh that guy that you talked to is here he's the one like cisco would have to lay lay eyes on him or he's he here or sensors though Robbie couldn't they because as they have on their sensors that the

assault vessels are approaching couldn't he check on like oh these are the people that are on the ship this was a whole for me I was like yes only one general I need to talk to and he's the one that's here when did you get that information I never saw a moment where even even if he had said to miles like well the general crim I spoke to him before and he's a good guy or yeah I don't know anything that we knew that he knew this it's it's just it that's another hole you just it's a hole for me roby yes you gotcha yep all right we go to the monastery now kira's waking up beryl is there her lover her lover is there uh he's definitely on their side she wakes up she's wearing like she's still wearing her shoes in bed and beryl goes kira you're safe he goes you're at the monastery

I just thought he was going to say, you're in my bed because that's what it looked like. She's right there in the bed in, in Beryl's bed. It's a romance novel. It's a Harlequin romance novel with Tiram Beryl. But he says he's on their side. He says Dax is changing right now. This is where I saw her uniform. I'm like, what are her injuries?

Like there's a torn shoulder. It's a head to toe shot. And I don't see any blood anywhere. She looks beautiful. Her hair's a little must up, but that's about it. Is there a tear in the hip area? You said it was a hip injury. It's like on the leg.

It's like the tear on the costume is more the thigh. Okay. The script and the dialogue says fractured hip. Okay. She should be in a lot of pain at that point. One would assume that in the interim, a missing scene, in the interim, she has been attended by some medical professional who with 24th century medicine is able to cure the hip. Yes, that has to be the only way.

that she's not screaming in pain at this point. Yeah. Kira stands up. She falls into his arms. We have this moment of sexual tension, the romance novel. Why? I don't know. Because of the vision.

It had to match the vision that she had from the orb in the prior episode. Yeah, but when Dex comes out in the robes, that's the vision. That matches exactly the vision of Dax. She was wearing, yeah. Yeah, Dax comes out dressed as a Vedic, I guess, right? yes it's a Vedic so she comes out she's got a bejorn nose by the way she does and she has a sydney opera house on her just like the opera house just like and this wrap around her head which i thought was there to cover the spots but later on she pulls off her disguise and the spots are

gone so i guess whatever they did to do the nose got rid of the spots too so my question is michael westmore always put the spots on too always i'm sure she's told you that yes uh so i'm wondering if He also put the nose on. Oh, yeah. Or did he leave that to somebody else? And that's just a backstage, you know, question. I bet he would want to put the nose on. Because he always worked with Terry.

Terry's makeup artist was Michael Westman. Yes, then it would have been him unless he was busy. Probably was. It probably was Michael putting that on. Or maybe he was so busy. He said, Mark Shostrom, will you go do this? Daychecker, Mark Shostrom. And that's how Mark's career blew up.

It was like, bam, Bajorne knows extraordinaire. There we go. Yeah, so Dax comes in in the Vedic outfit. She gives one to Kira. They have to go into the chamber of ministers, and if they have these costumes on, these disguises on, then they'll be able to get inside freely. Isn't that nice?

Yeah, it is. I mean, the logic is that they can't go anywhere on the streets unless they're wearing religious clothing. Everyone else is going to get attacked. Yep. Yes. And Beryl says he's going to escort them or something, right? Yeah.

So he's going to go to listen. But she's reluctant. Kira doesn't want that to happen. She's like, I don't want to take a, I don't want to be responsible for your life. And he's like, oh, no, no, no. Right. As opposed to Dax who was in the, it was in the biplane. Yeah, in the biplane.

It's okay for Dax to be in the biplane with the shutters, but I can't take your wandering the streets. Definitely not. I like the exchange at the end when Terry goes, what do you think of the nose? Yeah. Or she's like, what do you think? And then Kier's like, what? My nose, of course, my nose.

It's like, it's flattering. it's fine and then she goes I'm thinking of keeping it I love that line that was funny yes that was really very good she delivered it quite well too

yeah she's very good in this episode she did she's excellent in this episode that's the thing with comedy and those little those little lines that end the scene if you put too much into it they don't work when you try to make it work

it doesn't work you have to throw it away I think the writers and the producers are beginning to find out what a great comic actress Terry Farrell is And I think you'll notice that the character begins to subtly change from being the old man. Yeah. Which is the original concept.

Right. To this lovely comic, but still serious science officer who was indeed, forgive me, Terry, but I don't think you'd argue with me. It's a party animal. She is a party animal. Yeah. Well, I like this, Dax. I do. I do like it.

I do, too. we cut now to another conduit i think we're in conduit four at this point work is pushing a heavy suitcase that fancy luggage he's trying to push it through the the conduit Bashir wants him to leave the latinum and then he makes a joke Bashir says something about fork's mother and fork is triggered he says never make a joke about my mother he says something isn't that the rule of acquisition. Never make fun of a Ferengi's mother. Rule of acquisition number 31. That's a rule. It's a rule. Robbie has a copy. I have a copy from Nick Albano. Let's see. Yes. Go to 31, Robbie.

Yes. Here we go. Number 31. Never. Never make fun of a Ferengi's mother. Insult something he cares about instead. All right. You know Quark is clearly angry here because he is exerting so much effort pushing this suitcase full of latinum and the minute the mother comment happens he knocks that thing to the side like it was nothing because he's going through but that's what happens when you're really mad the incredible Hulk gets really mad and superpowers happen so you talk about the mom bam he pushes that latinum aside like it was nothing i thought it was from anger too i did i really do yeah i would say that it's from anger yes but i would also say and i don't remember so i'm making this up okay i'm defending my character and some of my choices

I think it's also from fear. They lose, as he says earlier in the episode. He's hung. He's finished. He's done. That's it. He's over. He's toast. I think it's anger because I think from his point of view, things are not going well.

Yeah. It's kind of the last straw. It's just, it all kind of the damn breaks with all of the things. But I should not have pushed that suitcase over that easily. I should not. Well, props probably should have put more heavy things. They should have put more heavy things. So that's not on you, you know.

right but i'm validating it by saying that sometimes extreme anger can give you a super i agree i agree fear and anger thank you thank you thank you there you go well cork gets really mad but then cisco calls and says uh you know before you're captured make them think that there's hundreds of you just like the writers have done with the pejorins yes yes that's true that's true the shirk tells cork though let's get out of here we got to go and uh quark starts to leave and then he just can't help himself he grabs the suitcase and starts dragging it with him yes he's not going to leave that i'm sure that's scripted but i was very happy with my reaction yes it was great i think i think you can see him thinking do i or don't i oh yeah absolutely we knew we saw the dilemma and then you made the

decision it's coming with you absolutely cork's final line is fine fine i'm coming it would have been funny if he said fine fine and then looks back at the suit and it goes we're coming as in the Him and the Latinum. Me and my best friend. Yeah, my best friend, Latum. Laddie. Good old laddie. Laddie.

Yeah, exactly. We go to ops next. They get word that Starfleet has started an attack by Airlock 14. Yes. That's Bashir's spot we've established. So they think there's a big attack. They've got to go defend. So Day doesn't listen to Krim.

He's going to break up his units and split people up. He calls everybody to Airlock 14. And then while they're heading there, they get word that Starfleet has surrendered. And Krim is like, this doesn't make any sense. He's a little suspicious here. It happened so quickly. It happened very quickly that battle. And he wants to see.

He wants security cameras pulled up, but they're offline. And he says, bring me their leaders. And he heads up into his office. And that's when he walks in his office. And there's Lee, Nalas, with a gun in his hand. And how did he get there? They got beamed in the same way they beamed out. Yeah, probably.

That's the only answer. It's the only answer to ambush them. They had it because why would they, there's no way that they could have gotten past that army of six that is stationed in ops. But that's in a future episode. There is a way. Okay. But yes, he got, he got beamed in. Because they wouldn't have gone the way that, what happens in the future episode.

Oh, okay. Could they have taken a conduit there and popped down? Does that happen? I tell. Oh. Maybe the conduits lead there. Rahm and I get in there through a conduit. Okay.

Okay. Maybe there's a conduit. But there's Jeffrey's tubes or also, right? More than likely they were beamed in. We've already seen one beaming. Yes, if they can beam one person, they can beam another. All right. So Lee introduces himself.

I love when he says, my name is Lee Nalus. Perhaps you've heard of me. So humble. So humble. We go in the chamber ministers here. Beryl and his Vedics walk in. That's when Kira pulls off her disguise. eyes. It's like a breakaway suit.

Why? Why does she take off the costumes? Why do that? Why do we need that? There's no need for them to pull that off of there. Exactly. I'm with you on this one. I don't know. I don't know. We want to show you. It's Kira. My God, it's not our visit. Of course it's Kira. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah, she pulls the whole thing off. It's like a breakaway suit. And then Dax pulls hers off. That's when I didn't see the spots. And I was a little, I don't know, I thought it would have made sense that they just did the nose but they left her spots on or something or what and why does dax have to take her i don't know that except it's not like she's a starfleet uniform no what if to match the end of her vision she pulls everything off he's in the nude just like she was with beryl and she just shows up at the minister that could be right that would have that would have that would have that would have made for more for more. Jaro tries to stop them, calls for guards, but Kira explains basically in the scene

the whole Cardassian plan, and she's got the manifest pad from the Krasari vessel, it's got the thumbprint, all the evidence they need, explains that this coup will just deliver Bejaro right back into the hands of its greatest enemies, the Kardashians. And then Wynne wants to look at it, and you can see the Wynn, Jaro, like, Wynn is... The alliance is crumbling, maybe? crumbles like that i mean she jumped ship like she's like oh well then uh you have no objection to an inspection of this manifest do you minister jarro she's immediately on the other team now it's like oh okay jarro's a politician he's like no of course not i'm good he knows he's busted here too you can see frank langella playing this like yeah he says he fully supports it right but it looks like

he's running he's getting the heck out of there yeah it has to be a surprise to him as well because this is not information. Well, the end of the scene, Jaro runs off. He skedaddles. But in the meantime, a wind, seeing which way the wind is blowing. Yes. Sides with Kira. Now, the question for me, and I'm glad about this question,

because this is a good point, is there some intrinsic honesty, forthrightness in wind that is manifested here? Or is this policy? Is this politic? is she seeing which way the wind is blowing and seeing that it's over for Jarrow and now she's giving herself over to the other side.

I don't know what the choice is. The fact that it's ambiguous, I like that. Yeah, I like that too. Yes. But I also like the end of this scene is really a mirror scene of her orb vision with all the ministers streaming behind her and trying to get her attention,

which is exactly what her vision was. So I do like that ending of this scene. And perhaps another reason why Dax should still be in the Vedic costume. Exactly. To match the vision. Hello. Thank you. I mean, I get Kira saying, like, look, it's me, it's Kira.

But why does Dax need to pull hers off, too? There's no reason at all. Yep. Well, we go to Ops. It looks like Kira and Dax have saved the day and Cisco. Everybody's done their part. They're all superheroes. Back in Ops.

Day arrives with Bash. and Cork. So he's gone down there and caught, caught Bashir and Cork. Where's your suitcase? Did you have the suitcase in this scene? Hidden in a very good place. Good, okay.

Just wanted to. Is it hidden in a heron spot by Jinn? Oh, and you to find out. Still on the ship somewhere, on the station somewhere. But he does bring in the prisoners. Day brings him in. But Crem approaches day. He is mad.

He's not happening. Blames Day for withholding this information about the Cardassian plan. Day tries to wiggle out of it a little bit, but Crim says there's evidence on Bayjor. They have the evidence down there. And Crim says he's going to go back to Bayjor. Cisco comments, the circle has been broken. Mr. Day. He takes a shot.

Cisco takes a little shot there. Crim also turns the station back over to Cisco. That's right. That's important. He says, you're, this is yours again. I'm going to go back to Bejor. And as Crim heads off one way and Cisco and Lee, Nalus is still staying there with Cisco, as Cisco starts to walk up to his office, Day pulls out a weapon and starts, goes to take a shot at Cisco.

And Lee sees this, dives out in the way, Lee Nalas is shot. Odo grabs Day and drags him off as a prisoner. it is confusing though it does look like maybe he was taking a shot at crim maybe because it's hard to tell yeah it's very difficult to tell uh we talked about this before we even recorded this began recording there is some geographical issues here i think that make it confusing but the script is is specific yeah it's it's cisco that's yeah correct yeah in my mind it made sense that he's trying to kill Cisco because he just hates non-Bajorans more than anything you know what I mean he's a xenophob and he left hey and also what did Cisco say to him the circle is now broken yeah when he said that

he kind of took a shot at him he was like all right I'll break your circle is what he said yeah just go in a way but Lee Nalus gets shot in a slow motion diving move and ultimately he becomes the martyr he dies the very thing they didn't want yes he's a symbol as cisco said earlier in earlier episodes that they need a symbol so he's now the symbol he is and he's relatively happy with that out yeah he says i'm off the hook now yeah exactly he is actually living that that that life that yeah he's he's happy yeah uh we got a quarks next and let's see kira's really grieving she's very sad she's grieving for to Lee Nalus. She really hoped that he would make everything better back in Bejor.

And Sisko, I love this little exchange where he says, you know, there's heroes all around us. In fact, I'm sitting next to one. And she says, no, I'm just too upset about all this. And she leaves. And then we have a moment where Miles kind of quietly says, you know, I didn't think Lee Nalus was such a hero. It was kind of, and as Miles starts to kind of undermine this hero story about Lee Nollis, Cisco cuts him off and says, you know what, the story I'm going to tell if anybody ever asked,

is Lee Nalus lived and died as a true Bajoran hero. And O'Brien gets it. And then Dax calls, the Ganges has returned. We cut out to the promenade. Miles runs inside to find his family. Jake comes out. Cisco approaches, they embrace. There's a really nice, tender moment of all is being set right again.

Family reunions. Yes, family reunions. There you go. There is our episode this week. And we know how much Armand loved it. Oh, my gosh. Can we talk about our theme or takeaway? Yes, please.

You find a theme in this episode. Okay, I'll start with Robbie. Robbie, what's your theme or lesson from this episode's Siege? It's a bit of a cliche, but I would go with my lesson is cheaters never prosper. Because this whole coup and this whole circle thing and all of the effort that they went through was cheating. They were really trying to cheat the system and take power. And ultimately, in the end, cheaters never prospered. They lose.

So that's my lesson. Okay. Mine is clearly, beware of extremely handsome young colonels who can mesmerize you and just draw you to the wrong side. So handsome. He's so handsome that we can't even see beyond that. So what you're saying is don't trust good-looking people. Don't trust anyone that's that handsome. That's that good-looking. Someone who's cute or kind of good-looking is fine. But that level of handsomeness and that level of mesmerizing looks that Stephen Weber had at that age, yeah, you can't, we cannot trust it. You know, we have a whole joke about the whole storyline about the good-looking aliens on resident alien. Do you really?

We do. We do. What do you guys say about that? Oh, because it's the hybrid. It's the cross between the aliens and humans. They make these gray alien hybrids. Yeah. And they're all genetically modified and they're all good looking.

And so whenever you see this really good-looking people, you know that they're dangerous. They're dangerous. First of all, I don't believe this episode has a theme, but if I had to come up with one, it's right wheel out. Or what? Right wheel out? Right will win. Oh, right.

The right will always win. Yes, right. Or rule of acquisition, war is good for business. Yes. Yes. It is good for business. Well, that's how you acquired all those as far as of Latin from using, yeah, there you go.

Okay. That's a good lesson. I actually like that lesson the best. What is the Patreon poll, Robbie? Okay. Our Patreon poll theme moral lesson for this episode is submitted by Jenny. And that lesson is power attracts those who shouldn't have it. Interesting.

And absolute power corrupts absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. We got a lot of themes, even though Armand is... There is no theme. Boycotting themes for this episode. It's soulless, themeless, and full of holes, according to us.

I wouldn't say it's soulless, but the rest, I would totally agree. Yeah, okay. All right. It's got more holes than my colander in the kitchen. Go ahead. All right. Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us for this week. Talk about the siege.

And it is not a heron's butt. It is something... No, but it might be the last definition. But we do know that's where Cork hid his gold suitcase. In a siege, yes. In a herring. Join us next time when we discuss and review the episode, Invasive Procedures. That will be next.

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