The Delta Flyers - Threshold

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at ...the very beginning. This week’s episode is Threshold. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Threshold:A specially-outfitted warp-capable shuttlecraft piloted by Tom Paris successfully reaches Warp 10, breaking the transwarp barrier. But the side effects of breaking the barrier may cost the crew of Voyager their best helmsman.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise, and Rebecca Jayne, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Peter Patch, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Daniel Adam, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Shannyn Bourke, Holly Smith, and Jesse NoriegaAnd our Producers: Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Deborah Schander, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Gay Kleven-Lundstrom, Gregory Kinstetter, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Charity Ponton, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Katie Johnson, Craig Sweaton, Ryan Hammond, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Katherine Puterbaugh, Claire Deans, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Cutler, Crystal Komenda, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Oliver Campbell, Anna Post, Evette Rowley, Robert Hess, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Nathan Butler, Terry Lee Hammons, Andrei Dunca, James Keel, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, and Mark G Hamilton Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry. As we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager, your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Hello, Garrett. What is your background? I thought I'd do like a hello Johnny, like old.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Ed McMahon used to do on the Tonight Show. For those who are old enough to remember. Do it again. Hello, Garrett. Something like that. Oh. Hello, Robbie. Okay.
Starting point is 00:00:45 We got that out of the way. Now, let's talk about your background. What is going on? Gosh. That's the Tonight Show theme. I was just doing that. That is my background. is the Delta Flyer.
Starting point is 00:01:01 It's a like a breakdown, I guess a cross-section. Look at you. Dude, I felt so inadequate. So I'm going to put the Delta Flyer on mine too. Look at you, the Delta Flyer. It's all about, and we got our Delta Flyers podcast hats on today. Are you wearing your, well, you always wear the hat. Yeah, I wear this hat all the time.
Starting point is 00:01:24 I rep this thing everywhere. I just started filming about a week and a half ago on Turner and Hooch. I'm directing this second episode of the new series. Josh Peck is the star, who's a big social media and podcast personality. He had a podcast called Curious with Josh Peck that was millions and millions of downloads. And so he asked me about the hat and I started sharing our little growing, ever-growing podcast. details with him. I mean, I was really excited to share with him all the things we're doing.
Starting point is 00:02:02 The community that we're building, the Patreon group, our Facebook group, our, what's the other thing that we? Discord. Discord. All the groups that are connecting and the people that are connecting. You know, like Stephanie Baker, our good friend up in Seattle, who's part of our our Delta Flyers family and she was planning to go to a convention this year for the first time in her life and with COVID was unable to do that and this our Delta Flyers community has really
Starting point is 00:02:39 been a great way for her to get to know the Star Trek fandom and the Voyager family specifically and you know I'm just really proud of it really excited for what we're doing so yeah yeah Stephanie Baker had all these plans to go out to Las Vegas and, you know, see the 20th, uh, 25th, 20th, 20th, I know, the 25th. The first thing to go is your memory. You're right. And so then she decided that this was a good investment of her time and money by joining the Patreon on Delta Flyers family, which is so wonderful. We thank her so much. She's part of the, uh, Admiral's tier. So she's a tippy top of these subscribers. So we're very thankful for that.
Starting point is 00:03:23 we got most of our people are in it like three bucks or five bucks a month and getting all kinds of great opportunities so um but mostly i'm just excited about for me as you know i've kind of went off on my directing and producing career for a long time and this has been this pandemic and this podcast coming out of that has honestly been such a great way for me to to kind of reconnect with my roots on on voyager and star trek and reconnect with our friends and our castmates getting them on some bonus interviews and content and recaps and all kinds of things.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It's been a lot of fun. Can I do a little show and tell here? This is a gift. This is a gift from one of our Patreon patron subscribers. Andrea Roth sent me this. And as you can see, this says he was like no other
Starting point is 00:04:12 hair straight and raven black. Eyes bright with fierce fire. The burning gaze of a hero. These are the lines that were spoken during the episode with the doctor. Yeah, Heroes and Demons. Yeah, and Heroes and Demons. And the doctor comes across this beautiful Viking shield maiden,
Starting point is 00:04:31 and she describes Harry Kim as these letters. So thank you, Andrea Ross, for saying. Andrea, that's amazing. It's really cool. Unfortunately, the T&H are kind of coming off a little bit. I'm going to try to glue those back on. And I was going to wear it. I want to give a show people.
Starting point is 00:04:51 She chose the same colors that the Detroit Lions seemed to go for. The blue, that sort of Detroit blue with the silver. One of my favorite teams. There you go. There you go. Yes. So that's the show and tell for today. That's very cool.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Andrea, that is such a sweet. Everybody in this community is so sweet. And getting to know new people and make new friendships has been awesome. That's such a great gift. And that was such a great episode. That recap episode was so much fun to do. Yes, it was. And speaking of episodes this week, guess what?
Starting point is 00:05:29 We're recapping one of the most famous Tom Paris episodes ever. I am so excited. I'm so excited. I've been looking forward to this for weeks, if not months, because, you know, this episode threshold is arguably the most hated slash controversial episodes ever made in Star Trek. It's one of the top 10, I'm sure, of all time hated controversial episodes. And I've always been a bit defensive of this episode because I remember having a great time making this episode. I got to, as an actor,
Starting point is 00:06:12 I got to act like chew the scenery and go big. And I remember looking at, at elephant man the movie it was a play that i always loved i saw as he as a teenager i felt like this is tom paris's elephant man episode like he's turning into this uh you know everybody thinks they're they're scared of him and and and he they think he's so scary and ugly and but he thinks he's uh he's you know evolved and yeah i don't know i just had a great time making it but boy is it it pushes people's buttons when it comes up at conventions yes it does it does I'm not going to, I'm not going to say that it's, it's one of the top, I don't, I don't even think that it's in the top 10 worst episodes of all time trek. I don't, I don't put that there. So I'm going to, I'm going to side with you. I'm going to put it outside of the top 10 worst episodes. Come on now. And I really do feel like it has, it has to do with the fact that that final shot of you as a lizard or salamander, of Janeway as a salamander, going into the swamp. And then the little lizard salamander babies that you guys had.
Starting point is 00:07:22 I think that shot is what makes everyone go like, oh, that's the only thing. So if you haven't seen threshold, go watch threshold. Go watch threshold. Right at the end, pause it. Just turn it off before the last scene. Never watch the ending scene. And then you'll be good. Just turn it off.
Starting point is 00:07:39 And then you'll be good. All right, so let's go watch this. I can't wait to, I can't wait to rewatch it. And also, I just want to mention before we go back and watch the episode and come back for a recap, at the end of our recap, we're going to talk about some contests we have coming up. We've got some giveaways, and that's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to start having some contests as part of the Delta Flyers. So stay tuned at the end of the recap for that information. And let's go watch some salamanders.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Sounds good. Hey, guys, we are back from watching Threshold. Threshold. The most controversial episode of Voyager ever. At least for me at conventions, I got to say, it comes up all the time. It does. But I'm going to say right now, as bad as we were talking, you know, the reputation of this episode, after watching it, I really liked it. I'm not like, yes, I know.
Starting point is 00:08:45 It's funny, because I always defended at the conventions. People are like, oh, how do you feel about, you know, being the star of the worst episode of a minute? And I'm always like, it's not that bad. Like, and then I watched it. I was like, I don't know. I see. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Yeah. But I still will say, I do defend, like, I thought Tom Paris's writing and what I was given to do was really fun for me as an actor definitely as an actor this is the most that you've had to do in any episode up until this episode absolutely yeah by far by far yeah because let's face it we're used to yes ma'am you know you know and you're heading here you know and that's it i captain it's it's bridge stuff random stuff with delaney's sister whatever you know i mean not delany sisters but you know we're talking about this and that and just kind of being buddy buddy but now be story C story D story kind of stuff oh appetizers yeah sometimes I don't even
Starting point is 00:09:48 come into episodes Paris didn't come into episodes until 30 minutes in and this time I was I was given an opportunity as an actor to really do a lot of operatic things you know I mean really big emotions and so on that on that score I was very happy to rewatch it and and very um surprised. I did not, you know, even though this comes up at every convention, I hadn't seen it since it was made. So I don't think. So I had twisted stories around in my head of like what it was about and what happened. And so it was really fascinating to look at it again and see what it really was. Yeah. Definitely. Let's fine. Let's begin as we always do with our synopsis. You have a limerick, I have a haiku. Okay, here's my limerick. Let me find it down here. Limerick for Threshold, Season 2, Star Trek Point,
Starting point is 00:10:54 Tom went faster than 10. His tongue fell out, and then he kidnapped Jane Way, made sweet, sweet love the same day, then had some Lizzer baby, children. I'm going to find the rhyme at the end. Tom went faster than 10. His tongue fell out and then. He kidnapped Janeway,
Starting point is 00:11:19 made sweet, sweet love the same day, and then had some lizard baby children. I don't know. I like it, and I'm going to say this. From now on, when I meet someone on the plane, I'm going to say,
Starting point is 00:11:31 so do you have any children? I'm going to pronounce children, children as well. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to force it to get the rhyme and the limerick, you know, you got to, you do. You know, I still want to do the Thomas Eugene Paris in the Alexander Hamilton song. I still want to do that. Like we talked about that a while ago, but to change the lyrics, you know, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Eugene
Starting point is 00:11:56 Paris, it could still fit. So you got to squeeze it a little. Yeah, you just squeeze it in. That's what you did. Children, Paris. Children. Give me a haiku. Hit me with a haiku. Yeah, I'm going to hit you with a haiku right now. Paris breaks Warp 10. Morphs into a new life form. Mates with the captain. It's the same theme as my limerick. It is.
Starting point is 00:12:23 It's the same beats. Short and sweet. It's all about breaking the barrier and then having some babies. It is. That's really what life's about, right? Yes, it is. Story by Michael LaLuca,
Starting point is 00:12:35 teleplayed by Brennan Braga, directed by Alex Singer. I don't remember Alex directing this, but... I didn't remember who directed it either. I had to go back because I missed the credits. And I got 10 minutes in. I was like, wait, I got to go back.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Who directed this again? Alex Singer directed it. I mean, it's interesting because Alex, who I adored, very old school director, very kind of simple and straightforward. And I felt as I watched the episode, like it was pretty simple and straightforward in its direction. Cameron didn't move a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:13:04 You know, it felt a little, I wouldn't say old-fashioned, but classic. Like, there was nothing edgy about the direction. There was no extremely tight shots or horror movie moments or stylish camera. It was just, it was very simple. Very straightforward. Straightforward, let the actors, you know, say the words and tell the story. So, yeah, but I loved Alex.
Starting point is 00:13:26 He was such a sweet, sweet man. Great energy that one said it. Right. Well, since you're talking about Alex in the directing style, there was one point when you actually break the threshold. You break the warp 10 barrier. and I'm in the bridge, and I go, yes. And that yes that I have, the lighting on me is completely different from all my other close-ups on the bridge before and after.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And I thought, was that second unit? Did I go yes so vigorously that they were like, uh, that's way too emotion. You know, you put way too much into that. And I'm wondering if that was shot it on another day or did it pick up. Yeah, yeah, because I did get memos. I remember the first and part of the second season. I do remember getting a few memos. saying you need to reshoot this with second unit.
Starting point is 00:14:10 You put too much emotion into it. So maybe, I don't know if that was one of the scenes or not, but I do notice there was a weirdness, it wasn't, you know, the same lighting, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. The scene in the mess hall in the very beginning, Paris, Torres, Neelix joins in in the conversation.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Yeah. And he's, can I, before we get to the mess hall, go to the very first scene where Paris is in a shuttle. He's trying to fly and break the warp barrier. And all of a sudden things white out and you think, oh my God, he's dying. And then it cuts to the holodeck. There you and Balana are, and it pans over slowly.
Starting point is 00:14:48 And there's Paris sitting on the floor of the holodeck. He crashed the program, obviously. But my question is, how did I end up in that very kind of odd seated position? If the thing crashed and blew up, I'm just sitting there with my knee up and my arm on my knee. I'm like, you know, maybe I should have been, like, laying down or, like, recovering from the crash. I'm just sort of casually sitting on the floor. You know, are you doing a do-over right now?
Starting point is 00:15:21 Are you trying to tell me that you should have been more. I got a lot of do-overs, but, yeah. You should have been more like a wily coyote sort of like, you know, you should have been, like, like, splayed across with something. You know, as it panned over, it should have been, like, rolling over or something. But instead, I was just sort of sitting there, like, you know, like. I guess that didn't work. I don't know. Yeah, I think if you were just face planted onto the, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:42 if you were just lying just on your stomach with your hands out and your legs and in wild positions. It might have been funnier. It might have been, yeah. Yeah. Or if you were, if you were thrown up against a corner of the holodeck, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're like in some corner all in a crumbled mess.
Starting point is 00:16:00 So that would have been. But you were very, you were very relaxed and posed. Like you were doing a shoot for a magazine or something. I don't know how they let me get away with that. Who chose that casual position? Anyway, you were talking about the mess-all. You know, yeah, this is a mess hall, you know. And I got to be honest, the first time I watched this,
Starting point is 00:16:21 I actually watched this episode twice. And the first time I watched it, I could not focus on the scene because I kept staring at your hair and my hair. Your hair in the front, the little, looked exactly like the original Hawaii 50, Remember Hawaii 50 when we were kids? That one, not the new, not the new crappy one.
Starting point is 00:16:40 The new, the new ones, but the old original one. Yeah. The intro scene to it, you always see that wave, you know, that, da, da, da, da, da, and it was that wave in the ocean, and that's what you're in front of your hair. You're the Hawaii 50 wave on your hair. And mine was so poofy. And it was just so, it looked like a piece of pastry or a criss-cross bun is what my hair looked like.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And it was very, very distracting for me. And it took me a few, yeah, viewings to watch this. I didn't really, I did notice some inconsistencies with hair in this episode all around. Yeah. Yep. But at one point, your sideburns, did you notice they curled at one point? And I was like, what's going on? Well, my sideburns, as we've said before, my sideburns were little miniature wigs.
Starting point is 00:17:25 I didn't grow sideburns. And so they had these little sideburns that they would place on the side in the triangle. That's right. That was the biggest part of my makeup every day was getting the sideburns put on. Burns put on. Yeah. I thought it was interesting that Neelix, you know, Harry, it's a team effort going on, which I loved.
Starting point is 00:17:44 I always love one in our show, when characters are working in teams and all the characters are involved. So I love that. I thought Neelix coming over and we're all sort of making fun of him. Yeah. And then he ends up being the one who cracks it. He's the one that talks about the, he talks about the, what was it,
Starting point is 00:18:05 a dark matter bow wave that he had experienced. Dark matter bowel movement? Bowel move, yes. Neelix is the genius here because he talks about the dark matter bow wave that leads Paris to go, aha, wait a minute, the ship is actually being torn from the nacelles. The nacells aren't being torn from the ship. And Paris even says, Nelix, you're a genius.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Yes. Yes. Now, he doesn't, did you notice his reaction to me was very defensive? But as a reaction to you, being a bit dismissive of him, he's actually very nice to you. But to me, he's like, I'll have you know. I was an engineer, blah, blah, blah. And then to you, he was like, he was like, oh, okay. But Balana kind of, Balana, when she's leaving, she kind of gets a little attitude, like, sure, go tell the idiot about it.
Starting point is 00:18:54 You know, so he's picking up on everybody's kind of dismissing him. Yeah. It's very funny how once we get the info from Neelix and discover the solution, we just run out of that. We didn't even tell Torres. We leave her. We leave Torres. And by the way, you know what we missed out on? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:11 After Neelich says the dark matter bow wave and we start, you and I start ping pong and back and forth. Well, what about this? And what about that? What about this? War particles. Yes, we should have did that. We could have had a war particles moment. God dang it.
Starting point is 00:19:25 I know. That was our war particles moment, but we didn't say it like that. Yeah, we needed it. I wish we had said it. That would have been cute. There is comedy in this one, though. Now, I want to bring up your pronunciation of Nassau. You just said Nesel just now.
Starting point is 00:19:40 But in the episode, you say nacelles. Nesil. You don't say Nesel. You say nacelles. And now I bring that up because it's important. I think this is a turning point for your character because naysels. You're pronouncing it the way Bologna says her name, Bay Lana. So it's sort of like this is the beginning of the Paris-Torres connection.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I felt the same way. I felt she comes into sickbay. You don't come into sickbay to jack on me. No. She comes into sick bay. She comes into sick bay. Yeah. Where the hell is Harry, by the way?
Starting point is 00:20:12 I don't know what happened. I don't either. My best buddy, not around when I turn into a lizard. Nope. Just disappears. Just go. Yeah. So I also forgot until rewatching this episode that the reason, at least early on,
Starting point is 00:20:30 the reason that Tom Paris is trying and the team with Harry and Bala. are trying to break the warp 10 barrier is so that we can get home faster. That completely, all these years, slipped my head, you know, slipped my mind. I was like, in my memory, it was like, oh, this is just a Paris ego trip trying to break the warp 10 barrier.
Starting point is 00:20:51 But the reason we're also involved and the captain is willing to risk things is it could mean breaking that warp 10 barrier gets us out of the Delta Quadrant and back home much, much faster. So that was a detail I'd forgotten. Right, well, that's, one of the reasons, but in this episode, we learned that the other reason is really you wanted
Starting point is 00:21:10 to show your father that you had done something with your life. I think that gets revealed. The character's motivation gets revealed, but it's not the plot point at this early on is we're doing this to try to get home faster. Correct. And I think that we should use this as our terminology. Breaking the trans, crossing the trans warp threat. threshold or breaking the trans warp threshold. Yeah. And we could use this when we talk about any characters that are giving extra 110% or something. Like, oh, yep, Neelix told broke the trans warp threshold.
Starting point is 00:21:47 This is something that we could use in our podcast. I think everyone should be using this expression. Whenever someone breaks through to some new skill, you know, you're working out and you're trying to run the, you know, break the 10-minute mile or whatever, it's like, you broke through. the trans warp thresholds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Everybody needs to use it. Yeah, I just read some human interest story that, oh my gosh, who's Mark Wahlberg's older brother? Donnie?
Starting point is 00:22:19 Donnie, yeah, Donnie, the one that's married to the blonde. Jenny. Yeah, Jenny McCarthy. Yeah. He tipped a waitress, $2,020 on a $65 bill at an eye hop or something like that. And so he's like the hashtag 2020 tip challenge. So he, because it's 2020 being such a crappy year, he's tipping these waitresses, $2,020. So in that regard, if we're talking about what we just talked about, he broke the trans warp threshold. Yes, he did with the IHOP tips. Yes, he did.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Unbelievable. I also didn't remember this, but in rewatching, that we had found a new form of dilithium. in an asteroid field, asteroid field that we surveyed last month. That's why this breaking the trans-warp threshold is a possibility for the first time because of this new form of dilithium. Yeah, because it will continue to hold its, it will be stable at higher speeds, this new dilethium that we find. Yeah, and I didn't remember that either.
Starting point is 00:23:26 I didn't remember it. So the next scene, we go into the briefing room where our team, Harry Belon and Tom are pitching to the captain like like you know let's do this I thought that scene was so cheesy when when really Janeway goes you know you'll be like Neil Armstrong Armstrong and Orville Wright and Zephrum Cochran and Tom it was it was super cheese it was it was rocket sauce super cheese to me I thought that scene and I don't know if it was our performances, all of us? You know, I like the sound of that. It was one of my lines or something. I thought Janeways was, sometimes she, you know, Kate was given some speeches that are not how
Starting point is 00:24:17 people talk. It's very formal and, and that one to me was one of those examples of like, I wish we could have just had a simpler version that didn't have to feel like such a speech in there. I don't know. Wow. That felt a little cheesy to me. So you're ordering a side of cheese. with that briefing room scene. Yes, I am. Double cheese. Double side of cheese with that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:41 I didn't get that, but all right, I can see how you feel that way. It felt very speechy. You know, it's like if characters are going to have speechifying, then there should be some emotional connection behind it.
Starting point is 00:24:53 And I just didn't feel like there was much of that. It was all very speechifying in that scene. We were speechifying about, you know, breaking the threshold and thing. We were speechifying about science, and then she was speechifying about history, and it just all became speechify. Got you. All right.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah. So, and then you find Tom in a bathrobe. Talk about that for a minute. First time ever seeing Tom Paris in a bathrobe. Yeah. I mean, maybe because I'm not a bathrobe person. Like, even when I go to a nice hotel and there's maybe a bathrobe there, I just never, bathrooms are not my thing.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Right. Like, I don't know why. Part of it could be I'm a little taller. I'm, you know, almost 6'1. I'm a little taller. And whenever I put on a bathrobe, it always feels short to me. It's never long enough. So I feel like I'm wearing like a mini skirt or something.
Starting point is 00:25:49 I don't know. I'm just not a bathrobe guy. So I wish I wasn't wearing a bathrobe in that scene. I think they gave you an extra large bathrobe. It looked like a pretty big bathrobe. It covered a lot. It covered a lot. It was a big bathrobe.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah. I just don't understand why Tom Peres had to be in a bathrobe. What the hell was he doing before she walked in that required a bathrobe? And let's just leave it at that. I don't even want to know what he might have been doing. And she walked right in, by the way. She just walked in. Like, who knows?
Starting point is 00:26:24 I could have been, who knows, what I could have been doing in a bathrobe. Don't go there. Don't go there. Do you think that they had you as shirtless and you told them, I'm not going to be shirtless. I need something on. They gave you a bathroom. Do you remember that? I never liked being shirtless.
Starting point is 00:26:43 I just was not my thing. I feel like back at that point in the show, they were making me work out. So I felt like I was certainly younger and more in shape than I am now. Yeah. But I don't know. You, this is the first time that we see your chest hair. Uh-huh Did you notice that?
Starting point is 00:27:05 I did notice that Showing some skin In a bathrobe All they can think about is Why is he in a bathrobe? Well, you know What we do know is you have good chest hair It's not that really just
Starting point is 00:27:18 Chewbacca chest hair You don't have that It's a little touch Just enough to show that you're a man Okay Just like, okay It's kind of like my beard right now Yeah
Starting point is 00:27:29 It's like just enough beard to show I'm not all estrogen. Okay. And the first time, sorry, just to stay in that scene, the first time that I watched, I told you, I've watched it twice. The first time I watched it, I felt that there were some weird romantic undertones
Starting point is 00:27:47 in that scene, especially when you're like, please, please, Captain. And she's like, good luck. At the very end, it was just so much. She gets up to about, she's going to kiss. you but then the second time I watched it I didn't see any of that it's really weird like
Starting point is 00:28:04 that's the thing about these episodes like sometimes you see one angle of it other times you don't see it at all so did you feel that did you I didn't feel as much um as I watched it that the characters were romantically connecting I did feel like again my favorite thing about my memory of this episode and the rewatch was they the writers gave Tom Paris a lot of vulnerability a lot of levels, a lot of range. I thought in this scene, there were elements of frustration and anger that this opportunity was going to be taken away from him. By the way, she says in that scene, you know, I think Harry should pilot this.
Starting point is 00:28:45 And Paris goes, yeah, Harry can do it, but I need to do it, I want to do it. But I thought it was interesting that, you know, that they were, that you were the number two guy to pilot the warp you know you could have broken the warp 10 barrier which i thought was very interesting oh yeah um but yeah i liked i like the scene from a character point of view as i i like this whole episode there was a lot of backstory to tom and and a lot of detail and kind of it was a turning point i think this episode and i think maybe the first time that you've had a tinge of jealousy towards harry when she made the announcement that i would be doing that flight you're kind of like what you got angry you were not happy about yeah he was angry then he was vulnerable and so it was
Starting point is 00:29:33 yeah and i and i would say that you know he had a lot of passion that he wanted to fly do this that it was personal to him and i made a note in here i said i relate to a lot of these paris emotions that feeling like you know in my life i think i as i grew up we we moved around a lot i didn't personally in my real life. I didn't have a lot of long-term friends as a child because we moved every other year. And I often felt because we were moving and I had to meet new kids and new friends and new schools and all that, I often felt that I had to prove something to people, you know, to fit in somewhere. Yeah. And so as I was listening to that scene, that sort of came back into my mind of there were a lot of qualities about Tom over the years that I related to.
Starting point is 00:30:22 But that one in particular, that scene where he's talking about, you know, I feel like I have to prove something. I was like, oh, yeah, I can relate to that. And I felt like I was bringing a lot of personal connection to this episode as an actor. I noticed that. Yeah. So that was one moment. That scene at the end, there's a tie-in to the pilot episode, Caretaker, for me. When she tells you the statistics behind the chances of you having a brain hemorrhage,
Starting point is 00:30:52 She says 2%, and then you respond, 2%. And it's the same energy and same cadence and tone of voice that you had in the pilot when she's recruiting you to come on Voyager. And you're like, oh, hell, I'm the best pilot you can have. Like that, that line was the same kind of reading. It was the same thing, right? When you went to 2%, I expected you to say right after 2%, I'm the best pilot you could have. Like that exactly like you did in the pilot. So that was like a trip back memory, trip down memory lane for me hearing you.
Starting point is 00:31:22 say that. It just reminded me of that. That's funny. Yeah. So Janeway agrees, go do it. Um, and so we have a shot from the back of the Voyager, uh, of the Voyager, the back of the Voyager, as the shuttle exits out of, I think the note I said was that we don't usually see the shuttles come out of the butt of the ship. That's where it always comes out of, Rob. But we don't usually see a shot of it coming out that way. It looked like it was coming out of the butt. And then it sort of turned around and took off at Warp. And then the Voyager took off at Warp after.
Starting point is 00:32:02 That's right. It was just a kind of shot. I don't remember seeing often on our show. You know, sometimes you'd see the shuttle flying away from the Voyager, but you didn't actually see the exit of the butt of the ship. Okay. Okay. My note was that you were doing kind of that hot dog, hot dog piloting. He shot it around. I saw that, but I, it didn't really. But you're right. We don't typically see the shuttle coming out of the shuttle hangar bay, right? Also, if you want to call the shuttle hangar bay, I call the butt of the ship. You call the butt. Yeah, you can call it that. But I would say that this is the first time we've named a shuttle. Am I right? It's a shuttle craft Cochran. It's like we don't call shuttle's names.
Starting point is 00:32:50 No. Because we usually crash so many and trashed so many shuttles that we don't. They're all very generic. Yeah. Yeah. You can't. All right. So warp 10 is achieved.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Yes. I did feel like some of the warp 10 flying work. I wish the camera had been shaking more. I felt like you were watching me like, you know, watching Tom Paris sitting in a seat bouncing around, but the ship didn't feel like it was she. No. Something disconnected about the. the way the shot was filmed.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Often the cameras, you know, we got that shake video as we talked about early on in the series, teaching us how to shake when the ship is under attack and things. This felt like one of those moments the camera should have been shaking, the actor shaking, the lights flashing, and it was a little underwhelming. Yeah, a little bit.
Starting point is 00:33:39 Did Alex Singer, the director, did he direct you to put that physicality into the breaking of the Warp 10 because you sort of do this thing where you physically, you're there, and you go, warp 9.9, what, 10, and you kind of fall back into your seat a little bit. Like there's some, like, yeah, like there's some extra push of like turbo
Starting point is 00:34:00 once you hit 10. Turbo. Was that you or is that the director that said, okay, Roby, I don't remember. Fall back in, okay. I mean, you know like, like I do, that as actors often we come in there and the director will give us some things,
Starting point is 00:34:17 but not a lot. lot usually. Right. And then we'll do things. And the hope is that the director has some good ideas that I didn't think of, that I'll have some good ideas that the director didn't think of. Yeah. And together we'll make the best version. But you always hope that somebody, the director of the cameraman or somebody is sort of protecting you, going, ah, that looks goofy or I don't, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So, but I don't know. I don't know if if he said, you know, shake a little or, you know, sit back when you hit warp, break warp 10. I can't recall. Now, you see when you disappear, you see how concerned I was? You see how concerned Kim was that
Starting point is 00:34:57 you disappeared? There was an actual acting there and concern over my best buddy disappearing. Yeah. Which obviously doesn't come into play later. That's my point. Yeah. It's like, that's it. Okay. All right. All right, man, you're turning into a lizard. I need to find a new best friend. See ya. Is what I did. I understand. That was weird. All right. So Paris wakes up from his acid trip. Yeah, by the doctor yelling.
Starting point is 00:35:23 I loved it, by the way, when he's like, Captain goes, can you wake him? You know, very serious. Yeah. Can you wake him? The doctor explains all the problems. And she's like, wow, can you wake him? And he says, I don't see why not. And then there's a beat.
Starting point is 00:35:40 Wake up, Lieutenant. It's very funny. It was because we. we're expecting he's going to use a hypospray or something to bring you, you know, consciousness, but he doesn't. He just screams in your ear. It was funny. There's some funny stuff in that in the sick bay with the doctors from the doctor and and Paris too. I think both of them wakes up from his acid trip, you know, being part of everything in the universe. I remember the description of that was really fun to
Starting point is 00:36:09 play. It was very like I was I was everywhere and part of everything, whatever, just to Having, again, as an actor, given that kind of language that's very kind of theatrical and almost poetic in a way, was really fun to play. So it was fun to watch those scenes, see the comedy in there, see some of the roller coaster that Paris was going through. Yeah. I love the doctor's description after this passionate, you know, poetic description of, you know, almost spiritual connection to everything. And he goes, well, I'm glad you had some fun. Sounds like he had a good time Yeah, I'm glad he had a good time
Starting point is 00:36:53 Oh my God Lana does come in It looks like she loves me She comes to visit and see So she touched your leg I noticed that She touched your leg when she was leaving I was like, oh, is that the beginnings?
Starting point is 00:37:07 That is, I think this is the beginnings, honestly Yeah, I do too Five billion gigacquads of information Yeah. That's what we downloaded. How much is a gigacquad? Good Lord. There's a new blend of coffee called Paris Delight.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Paris Delight. That just, that's wrong. That's just, that, that name is wrong. I'm sorry. That to me, Robby. It's so right. No, that to me sounds like you're working at a male bunny ranch, sort of like a, you know, where prostitution is legal parts in Nevada.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Would you like a Paris Delight? Yeah, yeah. I'd like to choose the Paris Delight on the menu, please. I'll take the Paris Delight, this guy right here. Yeah, already. I love that there's a new blend of coffee, that it seems like we've, you know, conquered something and now we're going to analyze the data. Everything's going to be good.
Starting point is 00:37:58 And then suddenly in the mess hall, Paris starts gasping or falls over. And I've got to say, the veins appeared awfully quickly. Like it went from, it went from, oh, I'm on top of the table sitting up to, oh, I just fell on the floor and now I've got veins all over my neck and face. It just sort of happened off camera. Which I have another scene later
Starting point is 00:38:22 that happens off camera that I just feel I was like, oh God, but anyway. Do you recall if those veins were CGI or was that makeup? It was makeup. That was definitely makeup. I really loved that makeup
Starting point is 00:38:35 because it was very horror movie. We carried that makeup into the sick bay. I remember there was some scheduling that we had to do there. I think the way we did it was we like started on my coverage at the table and then we went to Bologna's coverage
Starting point is 00:38:52 so that they could start doing and they may have even used a photo double because putting on that makeup took a while or we may have gone away and come back. I can't recall. But those little things as we're filming if you think about the planning and logistics, we had to film all the coverage without veins
Starting point is 00:39:09 and then I had to go away for an hour and a half or whatever it took to put that makeup on, come back and pick up on the floor with that part of the scene. So there's a good chance we probably filmed the top part. I fell out of the frame. I do remember it being some logistics. And then I went to get the makeup on and they probably shot another scene. Yeah. And then I came back and we finished the scene on the floor with the makeup on. Yeah, but it almost looks like they did something to your eyes. Did you get any contacts for that? I remember a lot of red. They would put, they would blow menthol into my eyes.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Oh. So my eyes were very bloodshot. They would sort of blow through this plastic thing, menthol, that would irritates the eyes and waters them up and makes them bloodshot. And then there was a lot of red eyeliner so that it looked very sick and horror movie. Wow. That seems like something that they would do at a rave. But they actually blew the menthol into your eyeballs to make them bloodshot.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I didn't know that. That's very interesting. I loved back in Sick Bay with the veins on we had the Paris backstory, you know, there was a lot of rambling in that scene. It was a very long scene and a lot of him sort of being, you know, delusional and rambling about his childhood. And I thought it was interesting, a lonely childhood, the fact that he lost his virginity at 17 came up in his rambling when his parents were out of town.
Starting point is 00:40:40 That's huge. We now know when you lost your virginity. Yeah. That's big. I laughed out loud when he exploded with the outburst of pepperoni pizza. Yeah. I'd kill. You don't say pizza.
Starting point is 00:40:54 You just yell pepperoni first. Pepperoni. Like that. Yeah. It's so random. And the doctor, I thought, you know, the roller coaster and the delusional outbursts and the doctor's responses, I thought the scene was very funny. He wants a kiss from Cass.
Starting point is 00:41:09 I made a note, hasn't he learned yet? Kess and Neelix or a couple, why are they throwing in another try to get Kess to kiss him? But he's delusional. I give him a pass. He is. You're missing an important part of that scene on the sick bay bed there. Go ahead. You're missing when you talk about how you cried a lot as a kid. And that how your father said crying is weakness, you know. And it's interesting because the minute that came up, it just reminded me of something. that I saw on social media. There was a writer who wrote a piece about how she always tries to tell her son that it's okay to cry, you know, because a lot of times you hear, boys don't cry.
Starting point is 00:41:53 And I was told that by my parents, you know, by my mother when I was young. And I remember arguing with her going, that's wrong, that's wrong. And the truth is, yeah, you should be able to cry as a male. You know what I'm saying? You shouldn't. And so this woman wrote a piece on how she's wrong. raised her son and she showed her son, the CNN host, Van, what's his name? Let's see, I think it's Van Johnson. Oh, yeah. Van. When he was, I saw this piece. So you did see the piece then.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Okay. I saw the, the van, I can't think of his last name right now. Yeah. Van Johnson maybe or I can't. That's what I thought it was. Anyway. This was his, this was when he was getting all emotional and he started crying after the the election results came in right so um and so that so that to me was very timely just to watch that and it reminded me of that and and how we need to be very very aware of what we say to our children in terms of you know their emotions and acknowledging their emotions and allowing them to have emotions you know i think that paris tom paris as a character what i love about him and a lot of people say this is the transformation he went through from start to finish that he really had the biggest character arc and the
Starting point is 00:43:11 character growth of most of most of the characters and because he came into the series kind of embodying a lot of toxic masculinity yeah you know over sexualized um lots of ego and bravado bragging isolation without friends um unreliable i mean go down the list of yep of masculine qualities we might consider toxic masculinity. And he embodied all of those things. So to see the growth in that character and the change, I think is really was rewarding for me as an actor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:56 And this is truly the transition point for Paris, because now that he's gone to Warp 10, and he's been everywhere at once, and he's seen himself outside of his body. Yeah. And I think that you see, vestiges of the toxic masculinity in even in this scene because you're like in the rambling you're like lots of pretty girls crying which is back to your like hey let me be the man you know the man's man
Starting point is 00:44:17 and let me let me let me romance as many of these women as I can right and you're saying lots of pretty girls crying but but then you go like crying my father says it's a weakness but I don't trust anybody who doesn't cry and you talk about Torres Torres doesn't cry so it's almost like you're saying that you know you don't trust her but I do feel that this is definitely a transitional phase for Paris to become more of a complete human being for sure, this episode. Yeah, I think that's very well put. I did remember in that scene as I was losing my ability to breathe, I don't know if you remember,
Starting point is 00:44:52 but I had pretty bad asthma when we were doing Voyager the first few years. What? Do you remember my inhaler? I used to use it. You don't remember those? Oh, I would be down front. I'd use my. You don't remember when I was hospitalized for Asma.
Starting point is 00:45:06 asthma and they had to change the schedule. Maybe you weren't aware of why they changed it. No. Yeah, Mary Howard, the producer, came to the hospital to check on me, which I thought was lovely. I used to have very bad asthma in my 20s and early 30s and through my mid-30s. Wow. And I had gone to the hospital a couple of times with asthma attacks that I could not control with my inhaler and things like that.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Oh, goodness. Okay. When I was doing that scene where I was losing the ability to breathe, I remember, you know, imitating my most severe asthma attacks. And I remember, as I watched that, I remember listening to the way I was breathing. And I remember when I was shooting the scenes, it's almost like my body as I was acting the, you know, I can't breathe. My body started, I remember getting triggered. Oh, wow. Like I, you know, I started having the anxiety and the tightness in my chest for real because I was mimicking my asthma attacks and my body just started going, oh,
Starting point is 00:46:08 okay, let's do the asthma attack thing. Oh, my gosh. So as I watched that scene, I remember going, oh, I remember that. And I have my inhaler on set, but, you know, I, how did you overcome that? How did you overcome your asthma issues? Because you don't have an inhaler now, right? No, I don't, I don't use, I haven't used an inhaler since about 2014 is the last time I've really, so it's been about six years or so.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Yeah. There's a lot of, a lot of mine was, a lot of mine was stress related, anxiety related, I think. Okay. Wow. And my life has gotten a lot calmer in the last five years or so. Yes, it has. Wow. I've taken, I started meditating more and all kinds of things.
Starting point is 00:46:50 But yeah. But yeah, that was, that asthma moment was, was a flashback for me. All right, what's next? Well, I was just going to say, after Kess kisses you on the cheek, that's a nice moment. because you did say last request, you wanted to be kissed, but then you were dead when she kissed you. And then I fully expected Neelix to have an argument with her afterwards, being jealous.
Starting point is 00:47:09 And then she's like, she's looking at Neelix going, Neelix, he's dead. You cannot be jealous of a dead person. I wanted her to have that scene, but that didn't happen. I forgot that I died in re-watching this when I died. Yeah, I did too. Oh, my God, I forgot that he died. Well, now you're the second series regular die.
Starting point is 00:47:28 I died in season one in emanations. and then you, being my buddy, die in the second season. So we're the first two to die on Voyager, if you're looking that way. When you reach back for your hair? Yeah. That's true. You reach back for your hair. I swear to God, I thought you were going to pull your ear off.
Starting point is 00:47:43 I did too. I was like, what? I couldn't remember. I was like, is his ear going to come off? Oh, no, please. I did remember my tongue came out eventually, which we saw that later. Yes, yes, yes. But I thought the ear might come off too, which I wish I think would have been better.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Yeah. I have another question for you. on that graphic in the med in sick bay when the doctor looks on screen and he talks about you have two hearts now and it shows that little graphic of two hearts did visual effects take a picture of you shirtless because that is that is your torso that is you that was a photo then they added the right x-ray parts yeah okay so yeah they did take a picture of you there okay cool um um Raphael Sabarge our friend Raphael contacts the Kazan in the next scene yeah um uh the Sick Bay seen with Janeway when she comes in, that's when they first do the effect where they have the little air bladders in your head. Yeah, they had tubes that went down,
Starting point is 00:48:41 my legs, and then they were sitting on the floor like three feet away from me. Literally, they were going, right, blowing these bladder balloons. And so all I could hear inside of the rubber, I could barely hear the actors. I looked at their lips moving.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Yeah. what I heard was like that's that's what I was hearing so loud in my head and I couldn't hear the other actors lines so I would I would watch their lips move and then and then I think I may have looped or ADRed all of that I don't think I I may have a looped re-recorded the audio for a lot of this episode would make up right well because I knew that you had the bladders you talked about this before I was looking for it But if you're not looking for it, that movement is almost imperceptible, really, you know, because of, yeah, it's very subtle. So you almost have to stare at a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:49:37 And I wish that maybe there would have been a different way of filming that, a different angle or something that would have shown it more. I don't know. The experience of hearing it, it was very loud. But you're right. When I looked at this time, I was like, wow, that's not as big as it sounded when I was inside of it. Do you think kids actually flipped out while watching Voyager in that scene where your tongue comes out? Because I almost feel like that's so horror movie. It's like that if I was seven years old watching your tongue being pulled out of your mouth by yourself,
Starting point is 00:50:09 I would have probably thought, ah, yeah. So that might have been a PG-13 moment for sure, right? That tongue was made of silicone. But then they put some other like jelly in my red like jello so that it. It looked like it was sort of just collapsing or falling apart. So I did have some red jello and I had that silicone tongue, rubber tongue. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:35 I had to get in my mouth. It was a lot of, a lot of stuff for that tongue coming out. Yeah. And then every scene after that where you were talking, you have no tongue. So then you had to fold it back. Yeah. That's what you did. You did folded back and when you were folded back,
Starting point is 00:50:54 You don't use your tongue when you're folding it back, I guess. Right, kind of your tongue, yeah. And they would give me some black. They would give me some black ink to, like mouthwash to mouthwash right before we filmed. So it looked like the inside of my mouth was all black. So you couldn't really see. Oh, so they hid your tongue by giving you black ink. Yeah, black inky kind of mouthwash.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Yeah, yeah. Cool. All right. Yeah, big jump to the next level. He's, this is the part that I really, I just loved playing the monster, like the quasi-modo, the hunchback of Notre Dame, like all of those, you know, poor monsters that, you know, it's Frankenstein. It's all of that classic, that classic archetype of the poor monster that no one knows what, you know, that they're afraid of or scared of or lock up and it's like, just set me free. by the way when he does when he does uh break out and he's in in engineering i was so disappointed that his takeover that happens in engineering all happens on a view screen with a couple of
Starting point is 00:52:12 uh phaser shots going through the air and you hear all this noise i'm like are you kidding me I had forgotten about that, but I was like, are you kidding me? Like, the monster gets set free, and we play it all on a little, like, fake computer screen and some sound, and we don't see any of it. I'm like, you should have at least shot, like, him doing something. Like, he's got extra physical strength, or he, you know, I don't know. I thought it was really creative, though, just to see it on the view screen on that little monitor. I understand that you're disappointed with it, but my first thought was, geez, nobody is a good shot at all. Like literally, if they're right next to you, how do you miss with that phaser?
Starting point is 00:53:01 Are you a stormtrooper? Are you specifically? Because, you know, in Star Wars, a stormtroopers always missed. They can't aim very well. So I kept thinking, what's going on here? No one is able to aim a phaser. It was, I just thought it was silly. I was like, really, what a cop out.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Like we should have a big action moment where they're trying to get the monster and we didn't have any of that. I was very disappointed in that. You know, it could have been comedic. You could have taken your tongue and thrown it at them, you know, or something like that. There could have been so many things they could have done with that. Shall we move on to your abduction of Janeway? Yes. So when that happens, I'm going, wow, Paris chest bumped Janeway.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I know. And Megan, Megan said, she said, he just boob checked her. Exactly. You boob checked her. Yeah, Tom Perez played hockey a lot. He would boob check. Yeah, she manages to fire her phaser, which trigger internal sensors. But those internal sensors are malfunctioning due to the power failure.
Starting point is 00:54:10 Yeah. So they can't locate, you know, because that was the other thing. I was like, why can't they? they just, like, how does he get the captain, get to a shuttle, take off, like, how does he escape? Obviously, you know, whatever happened in engineering that we didn't film was really important for his escape. Yeah. And we didn't film it. So I don't know. I found that to be a little confusing, a bit of leap of faith that he could get her off the ship so easily. They sort of skipped over all of that stuff. Right, right. And when you lay her down in the shuttle, what
Starting point is 00:54:45 all that strange equipment in the back there? I don't know. Was that something maybe the some type of dilithium converter? But did you notice there were some weird stuff that when you lay? Oh yeah, there was a bunch of just a bunch of cases and yeah. I don't I don't know. It's like futuristic you know optometrist equipment or maybe some type of dental type of equipment is what it looked maybe it was some replicators so they could live for a while or maybe maybe yeah i do remember um picking up kate mulgrew and and having to lift her um and that's not an easy i'm not saying kate's hard to lift or any particular person's hard to lift it's just hard it always sounds easy until you're the one having to do it having to lift another person and do it safely and do it over
Starting point is 00:55:41 and over because we'd never do one take yeah um so you know i i i noticed that you know lifting kate and having to be careful with her and probably doing multiple takes and setting her down um it's awkward it's just like uh the episode 37s when i had to they told me okay uh garret you're gonna be you're gonna be dragging david graff's character yeah to safety and i remember trying to trying to pull this six foot four you know 270 pound man and it was like oh my god i can't even budge him so yeah so that is always awkward yeah all right so they they take off and voyager loses track of them because they he goes breaks the the warp 10 threshold again gets him out of there and um i did notice just as they're going to to work breaking the warp 10 threshold on janeway's face
Starting point is 00:56:35 you see the light's getting brighter and you see a wonderful like you see that she's having the same experience that you see in her face this kind of wonder this yeah it like takes her breath away just as she fades away there
Starting point is 00:56:50 obviously let's just jump to they track them down a month later whatever it is they beam in on this planet this jungle planet and they come over and there's Janeway in Paris I don't know which was which it doesn't you know if this is human evolution
Starting point is 00:57:10 if this is like where evolution is taken human beings it seems backwards yeah it's full circle it's backwards I don't know it's uh and then I think as you said this before like if we just didn't have the shot of the babies if we just left that part out of the story and just let them evolve to these lizards that we had to go rescue and convert back, it probably would not have been bad. But
Starting point is 00:57:39 it's having the babies. And then, by the way, Chocote says in his long, he goes, we decided to leave the infants or whatever. I forget how I put it. We decided to leave the children. Right. What? Why? I know. Because if they're going to, if the doctor uses the technology in the in sick bay to transform you and Kate back into human, he could. could have used that same technology to transport the children back into humans, too, right? Yes. I think that would have, yeah. I will say that when they popped out of that little hole in the ground, the kids,
Starting point is 00:58:16 they look like baby hippos to me. Yeah, they do a little bit. Yeah, a little hippopotamuses. I think there is an action figure, though, of Paris as the mutated alien. There is. And there's a couple of little salamander babies in the packaging. like you get you get paris in his in his PJs with his lizard look and you get the little babies do you get one baby two baby three baby what do you get all three like that was two or three i can't
Starting point is 00:58:44 remember in the toy yeah um i feel like it should have been a set of paris and janeway right i never really see janeway in the makeup so huh yeah so tom junior little katie little katie and katy jr and who's the third one. What are you going to call them? Zephrum. No, I'm going to call him Harry. Harry, Jr. I'm going to, I'm going to take Tom and Catherine and just do a hybrid name. So that last baby is Tatherin. Tatherine, okay.
Starting point is 00:59:19 Or calm or calm or calm. Calm is, I like calm better. You like calm? But I like that you're going to name him, Harry. You're going to name him after me, your buddy? Okay. My buddy. All right.
Starting point is 00:59:28 All right. We come back. We have the awkward after second. talk, Janeway says, you know, often in some species, the female initiate sex. Which sounds like a flirtation to me. Yes, yes. Okay. Right?
Starting point is 00:59:43 I love the line when Paris says, you know what? It was incredible, but somehow it doesn't mean as much as I thought it would. And I was looking, I was just looking for a quick fix. I thought that said a lot to me about where his head was at and what he learned. I'm talking about breaking barriers and all those things. So, yeah, there we are. A nice conversation with Janeway and Paris to end the episode. Yeah, yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 01:00:14 Very special episode, Threshold. What's your theme? My theme, I wrote down here, my theme, is that self-worth shouldn't come from proving yourself to others. That was the theme that I, that was my take. take away. It's like, I think what Tom learned is his self-worth can't come from the outside, can't come from achievement, can't come from breaking, you know, doing piloting things. It's got to come inside. And that the real barriers that we have to break are internal barriers within
Starting point is 01:00:45 ourselves. That was my thing. Huh. What about you? I think mine's just never break the trans-warp threshold ever. nine point nine is fine it's fast enough it's fast enough yeah yeah i don't know you know i mean it's it's really i mean the bigger the bigger theme i mean if you're talking about just extrapolating from that what i just said probably moderate moderation is key right no excessive behavior yeah that's going to lead you down the path of of what you don't want to go down you don't want to go down that path So we see what happens. You turn to do a salamander.
Starting point is 01:01:26 That's right. All right. So before we kind of sign off, we want to say a couple of things to everybody out there. First of all, to our patrons, our Patreon patrons, we have a very special guest coming up in our bonus segment after this. We have the mother of my children, the love of my salamander life, Cape Muldgren. will be joining us to give her thoughts on Threshold. As she talks about raising Salamander children with Robbie McNeil. That's right.
Starting point is 01:02:04 She's going to give you the mothering tips from a salamander mom. Very excited. We haven't had Kate on the show yet. She's going to join us for just a little short, some short talk about some of her memories of that episode. I could not let Threshold go by without involving her. So for our patrons, That'll be, you know, coming up right after this on our bonus material, but I'm so excited, Kate, is going to give us her thoughts.
Starting point is 01:02:29 The other thing I wanted to mention is we've got a contest coming up. And so, yeah, we have a contest. So Rebecca has created limited edition. They're really only five of these mugs available. They're Christmas mugs with all of our kind of caricatures, the Star Trek Voyager cast, caricatures in bad Christmas sweaters and things there are five mugs made ever
Starting point is 01:02:56 I've got one limited edition limited edition I've got one of those mugs Garrett's got one of those mugs and the other three are going to be given away in contests and those contests were open for submissions now
Starting point is 01:03:13 this is a true collector's edition mug right here for all you collectors out there there are only five made two, one belongs to Robbie, one belongs to me, and the other three are up for grabs. And just so you guys know, our email is the Delta Flyers at gmail.com. Yes. The Delta Flyers at Gmail.com, if you want any information on that, email us about it and
Starting point is 01:03:38 enter the contest. Look forward on our Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook pages. But the contests are going to be a lot of fun. We've got three mugs to give away, and we'll be doing some more contests. down the road. So yeah, thanks again for listening, everybody. Thanks so much for joining us during our recap of Threshold. And stay tuned next week when we recap the episode, Meld. I like that name. Meld. That's the Tuvac episode. It is a Tuvok episode. I'm excited for that one too. We got some good episodes lately.
Starting point is 01:04:12 We have. We have. See you then. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

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