The Delta Flyers - Timeless

Episode Date: April 4, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Timeless. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Timeless:Fifteen years after Voyager crashes, sole survivors Chakotay and Ensign Kim return to the icy site hoping to change the crew's fate.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Amber Eason, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Brandon May, Jeremy Mcgraw, & Jason BonnettAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hendrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Aithne Loeblich, Caryn Mellom, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Mike Chow, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Craig M. Nakashian, Julie McCain, Will Forg, Max Wilson, Estelle Keller, & Carmen Puente-GarzaThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are my fellow Voyager series regular, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil, and your favorite Forever Ensign, Garrett Wong. Remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a patron at patreon.com slash the Delta Flyers. Rob B. McNameau. Oh, hello there, buddy. How are you?

Good. You look a little something's different about your face right now. Really? What's going on? Well, interesting. You should say that. I'm very sort of short quaffed on my beard right now. You look younger, I'm going to say. Really?

With a shorter beard, yes. Oh, interesting. Yes. I just, yeah, I decided back in like December that I would grow a winter beard. Yeah. And I had a beard that was like Grizzly Adams. I don't know what. It was a crazy long beer, but it was driving me crazy. Okay. It was just driving me nuts. And so it was itchy. Like what, what is it? What is it about the beard that was itchy? It was just, I felt like I always looked disheveled. I felt like I just constantly look. Look, I'll show you. I'm going to

show for those that, that are patrons that have the video version of this podcast. Yes. I'm going to show you that was last week that was last last weekend that's that was the beard i mean yeah come on that's a lot of beard it's slightly homeless looking but but but it's still it's still impressive though anytime anyone can grow a full beard like that it's very yeah i don't i don't know it was it was fun but it was just I was getting so annoyed. And by the way, you know, we film on Resident Alien, you know, 12 hours a day, 14 hours a day sometimes. And I've got a mask on my face constantly. Yeah, a mask in that beard. So the beard would like push the mask and squish it up on my nose. And I don't know. I was just like, this is too much happening on my face. So what day did you cut this off? How long ago?

About 20 minutes ago. So you're going to be doing this and and grabbing nothing is what's going to happen. Yeah, it is weird. Yeah, it is weird you'll reach for your chin where you think the length is and it's going to be gone it's a little strange you know and there's still like beard shaving that's what that's what that is i kept oh did you see it yes i was like he has a lot of lint on his no i literally i can't i took the shower and i keep it just keeps falling out because there's a lot of beer a lot of hair on my face okay you know as funny as the fans because i'll do cameos or these you know videos that people you know, not often, but now and then I'll get a request for that and I'll send it out.

And I know people are like, oh, my God, what is, like, that's a lot of beard on your face. And I've seen fans, you know, commenting about the, you know, Tom Paris didn't have a beard. I don't know. Oh, my goodness. So here I am. There you are. You're closer to Paris now than you ever were. A little bit closer back to Paris.

Yeah. My yes ma'am t-shirt on. I've got my roots and wings. distillery. This is from British Columbia, a wonderful kind of boutique distillery out on a farm in near Fort Langley, British Columbia. Rebecca and I went out there a couple weeks ago. It was such a great, you know, great like organic food. Yeah. Locally distilled, um, liquors and spirits, vodka, gins, bourbons, Canadian whiskey, things like that. In Vancouver? Yeah, about an hour from Vancouver an hour east out in the farm country it was it's a great place so I got a hat that's awesome

I'm a little tanner I don't know if you can tell I've been on a cruise show so I know yeah the star trek cruise it was quite amazing super fun from Voyager Timothy russ and Robert Picardo were there so Bobby and Tim were both for Voyager no no Ethan didn't make it this year so yeah and hopefully you will be able to make it at some point. It'd be nice to see it. I was supposed to come last year. I was supposed to come this year, but I've committed to next year.

I'm really going to try to schedule my life around it. It's always directing stuff gets in the way. I hear you, but that would be nice. They've been asking for you. They would love to see you, just see you. I've never done the Star Trek crew. I think I'm the only one that's never done one.

I think you and Rebecca would have a really fun time. I know we would. Because you haven't even done them when they were done by other companies. No, I've never done a Star Trek cruise. I'm dying to do it. Yes, it'll be super good. All right. So this week's episode is timeless. And this is the 100th episode of Voyager. So we are at that point. This is a signature episode of Voyager. And I have seen this so many times backwards and forwards. And you probably have not watched it since I don't even know if you watched it when it was on prime time back in the day. I don't know. I'm excited to see it.

Yeah. All right. So let's go watch this and we will be right back with our discussion and our recap of Timeless. We're back from watching the 100th episode. Yes, we are. Wow. Wow, that's a big one. It's a big one. And it's the pacing is good. I like the pacing on that. Yeah, the pacing was good, the scope of it, like a visual scope with all the ice stuff, the crash on the planet was phenomenal. Yeah. The acting all around. A lot of good elements. Everybody did really well, so okay. Yeah. Poetry? Let's start. Let's start with some poetry. How about a haiku? Just start with a nice clean. Yeah, just a clean haiku. Clean haiku. Okay. Here we go. My haiku for timeless. Slip stream flight is planned ship crashes and all perish harry saves the day i got nothing else

that's good it's good it's nice and for an epic episode it's a nice as simple as can be i do now let me hear you're created here we go with our limerick limerick or timeless okay Harry and Chakotay survived the slip stream. Voyager's crash was really extreme. Harry plans to change the past, but he has to work fast. The future save the day, it would seem. Nice. All right. What do you think?

Yeah, very good. Very good. I've never been disappointed with any of your and Rebecca's Limerick's. They're so good that I'm always happy and excited to hear them. So that's another one that you did quite well. So I'm happy to do that. Thank you very much. Yeah.

Did you do any research on the one guest star that we have? Let me get there. So let's talk about the episode, Timeless, Teleplay by Brannan Braga and Joe Manoski. Story by Rick Berman, Brandon, Brannabroga, and Joe Minoski, directed by Lovar Burton. We talked about Lovar a little bit. We did. We, you know, all the fans know and love LeVar. Christine Harnos is really our only guest star.

She plays Tessa Oman. Yes. Oman, I think. Yeah, Oman, the Monde, yes. And actually, Christine Harnos and Lovar Burton was in the episode. Yes, that's right. Sorry, LeVar acted as well in this one. Yeah, we had two guest stars.

But again, we'll talk about Lovar in the episode when we get there. But Christine Harnos, she was born. born in Toronto. So she's Canadian. Yeah. And of course, I love to just keep it simple with our guest stars and talk about their first job. This one shocked me.

So Christine Harnos was, she'd been a model, I guess, as a young person. Yes. But her very first acting job was in 1988. She did a movie called Forbidden Son. What? And guess who was in the cast, besides Lauren Hutton, some of the stars. Robert Beltron was in her first movie. What?

Yes. What? No. Uh-huh. You just blew my mind. Isn't that crazy? Yes. What?

I know. Oh, my God. Usually it's some obscure, a little weird job, and I went to her first job. Forbidden Son, 1988. Robert Beltron was in the movie with her. I have to make a note. I need to watch this. Forbidden.

Things are, you know, we are all. connected. We are. In this universe, everyone is connected. Yes, we are. I agree. We are. That's amazing. Let's dive right in. Dive right into a timeless, a recap, memories and review. Commentary. How about this? I think you, I think you can do all the, you know, you can do the descriptions of what's happening, and then I'll just tell you what happened during that scene. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Okay. All right. Our opening shot, I got to say, I just want to comment. on this. The opening shot is panning across this, this Arctic landscape. And I immediately remembered Dan Curry's work on those kinds of shots, just like the one behind you, the photo

you've got up behind you. Everybody's got to remember, this was long before modern technology of Photoshop and CGI programs that can kind of blend and melt things. This was very handmade, everything. And Dan Curry came from the old school. So when I saw that opening shot, I looked at it and I thought, God, Dan and those guys, that team, often it was Dan's hand-painted. He was an artist, beautiful landscape artist and art in general. But he would hand-paint elements that would go into, I guess you could just call it a collage of elements where part of it was hand-painted Dan Curry elements. Part of it is some stock. footage, photos, or even some moving elements, a video of like an Arctic ice area. And as I looked at that first shot, I thought, God, there's so many elements in this one shot that Dan Curry collaged and combined together to create this original environment. It was just a really epic shot. I loved it. Yeah. And just to think how time intensive that was for him to just sit there and paint each individual detail in some of these images that you see. It's, it's, it's,

tremendous that work that he put into it's very impressive very impressive when i was producing chuck 10 years later i was in 2008 9 something like that that's right i brought dan curry over to do visual effects on chuck and dan used a lot of the same techniques on our show so yeah you know on chuck we were able to create environments that dan hand painted the same way he did on voyager it was really amazing i love working with dan and yeah awesome yeah because you guys had a lot of exotic locations on Chuck as a, you know, as a super spy. He was all over the world. So all over the world. Something that Dan had to help with there. And we shot everything in Burbank, California. Yeah. You know, if we're out in the deserts of the Middle East, Dan Curry created

that environment. Right. We're in Moscow. Dan Curry created. We're in Prague and a train station. He would create that. On Chuck, you did have an icy, snowy episode as well. I remember that. You guys went so. Oh, yeah. We went that. I directed that episode. We were up in the Swiss Alps. It was a whole sequence of a fight on a gondola. Rob Wrigal, the comedian, was in that episode. And Chuck had to, you know, hang outside of the gondola on his fight. That was all done on stage with Dan Curry creating the environment, a very creative guy. He did it on Voyager.

He's done it in so many places. Yeah. And so we actually, you know, we were on stage 16 for that frozen, barren landscape. And I'll tell you. that point where Chacote slips a little bit and he kind of came, I thought, wow, that was, that was actually him slipping and then he kind of caught himself and it looked very real as if he did slip on the ice. But just that when the camera pulls back and now you see what they're fussing over, it's the hull of Voyager buried under the ice. Oh, just an amazing shot.

Very cool. I wrote, whoa. I just wrote, whoa, whoa. Now, at this point, I didn't even know who was in those suits because there was no talking it was just one one line and i were here we're here that's it we're here and i thought oh that sounds like robert beltrane but it was yeah at this point i didn't know yeah you didn't remember that's right um so they beam inside the ship yeah the voyager that's under the ice and he we realize it's harry and chocote yeah i think uh harry says not exactly the way i remember it's one of the first lines in there It's frozen. There's snow inside. Power is down. We see shots of the frozen bridge. We see shots of the frozen Jeffries tube. I think with Harry crawling through there. And it's just,

yeah, it's amazing the work that the scenic departments did to bring snow and ice and really do a lot of scenic work to our standing sets, which is a big deal to do that because we got to restore it, you know, for the next episode. And, um, it's a scheduling deal, too. Like when they, they have to do that much work on these sets, they have to go, all right, let's start with a bridge. We'll destroy the bridge. Ice up the bridge because then while we're shooting some other scenes, we can fix it, restore it, so we can shoot the scenes where the bridge looks normal. Right. So, you know, you got to have to schedule all that stuff. Yeah. In a very specific way. And sometimes the crews are working overnight, you know, when we're not there, the midnight shift comes in and they're

doing all that scenic work so that it's ready for us to whatever version we're going to shoot in the next day. Yeah. That was a lot of work. I just, I noticed that right out of the gate. Tons of work. And also, you know, the times that we've had the bridge in a distressed mode in the past, you have parts of it that are kind of messed up, but not the entire bridge. Like every bit of that bridge had to be sprayed down with that fake, you know, to make it look like it was frozen, that frost on everything. And not only on everything, on every person, every person got, including yourself. Well, speaking of that, so Chacote is walking around the bridge looking and I see him walk by Tom Paris, dead on the floor frozen. And I didn't remember this before. But as soon as I saw that,

I was like, oh my God, I remember getting the, you know, the dead frozen makeup on and then getting down in that position and they were sprinkling snow on top of you on top of me. And I remember at one point like I it got in my mouth and I was like swallowing it and I was like I couldn't get the you know whatever it was it was like I think it was potato flakes like is that what it was yeah I think it was because it would sort of mush up like like mashed potatoes you know like freeze dried potatoes that yeah that's what it was I think that's what they put around the face so that if it got in your mouth which I remember it did all those potato flakes got in my mouth and And I was like, great. Kind of had dried out mashed potato for lunch is what you had a little bit.

Wow. I mean, just the music they had in the background there, it's just so haunting to see frozen Janeway, frozen Paris. And then, you know, Harry's climbing through the Jeffrey's tube, seeing dead bodies there. It's just, it's very, it speaks to you. Yeah, and I feel like there was more on this bridge scene. When I looked at that, when he walked by and I remembered being on the ground and that I feel like there was more of a scene that got cut out.

I don't know why. I feel like there was something that happened on the bridge that got cut out. That's all I can't remember what it was. And that is entirely possible. A lot of times we did shoot extra stuff that never made it into the episode. So you may very well be right about that. Yeah. So when Chikote finds Popsicle 7, he has her beamed out.

And basically, we do see Harry go into the sick bay area. and he brings the doctor online and Harry is now, you do get a glimpse of this is not the Harry that we know. He's very no nonsense. He's almost brusque to the point of, you know, very curt with his answers and. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the doctor's like, and sit. And Harry's like, I go by Harry now. I mean, just I'm not even ensign. So he's really just there to get something done. And that's it. He doesn't care about anything else. He's one-minded, for sure. Harry says near the end of that scene, changing history. Yes. Which I was like, whoa,

what's this? See what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I did notice like all the purple lighting. I thought Marvin Rush did a great job of creating a lighting environment, like in all of those sets and particularly sick bay that was just kind of purply in the way that it felt icy.

Yes. Like even, you know, you can see it felt cold. It felt cold. Yeah. Like that ice, I'm looking at the colors of your background right now. Yes. Yes. And there's kind of like a bluish purple, icy feel to those icy colors. And Marvin put that all throughout the ship. I thought it looked great.

Yes. It's really good. Next we go to a slow motion flashback. So we realize we're going back in time and there's this slow motion flashback of some kind of party in engineering. Right. Dreamers. And you see Roxanne or Balana walking with a bottle of champagne through the crowd and

they're all cheering in slow motion. And then she smashes the champagne bottle on the warp core railing. Yeah. And then we go into regular times out of slow motion. speeds it up. Yep. To Janeway's speech, right? She makes this speech on the christening of the quantum slipstream drive.

I do like that Torres used a two-handed grip, you know, when she smashed that thing. She was into it. And we also learn, Robbie, that we are now four years, two months, and 11 days into our time in the Delta quadrant. So this is one of the times that we know the time. And that doesn't happen that often. We know exactly how much time we spent in the Delta quadrant. Again, a lot of times they didn't want to date any episode because they wanted people to be able to watch them out of sequence. That's right. That's right. If it was in reruns, they didn't want people to go, oh, I miss something. They just wanted it to be any order you wanted to watch it. It should,

it should be satisfying. But this is one where it did matter, how long we've been gone for sure. how much time we had left to get back. The slipstream drive would get us there. Yes, like that, like lickety split. We'd be home, right? But I do love. I love Lovar's staging of this scene. He could have kept Janeway on the same level as Torres,

but no, he put her up in the second level. So we actually look up to Janeway as she's making the speech. And so I just love just everything about this scene. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was super cool. Nealik's with his Tlaxian fur fly as a sign of good fortune. Yes, to give Balana the Talaxian fur fly. And the first thing I thought was, oh, my God, has he been carrying this on our ship for

four and a half years? Yeah. This is disgusting. It's like the size of a squirrel or a cat. Yeah. It's a fly. It's a fly. And good luck.

He says he hung in his engine room for six years. Right. He had this thing hanging. But clearly, he's kept it in his quarters somewhere where we've never seen a ride. What did he do? Did he taxidermied it? He stuffed it. He did everything. But still, it's really gross, though. It's a cool, it is a cool prop. We only see it in the scene. And it looks very insect-like, but with fur or something. It kind of looks like a huge bumblebee or a wasp or something like that. Yeah.

And I was thinking that probably the props department had to coordinate with makeup in some way for some of those elements, because that's a specialized kind of prop that we would build. Yeah. Yeah, our props department. makeup department, obviously are awesome. So I love Tuvok's line. He says, Mr. Neelix, you are an unending source of astonishment when he sees the Talaxian furfly. Just his dry reading of that was great. Yeah. And all throughout, there's some amazing bits of humor throughout this very serious episode. And that's one of them with Tuvok commenting on Neelix. I love that. And another one comes up right after this. Doc approaches seven. Yeah. And she says, my ocular implant. aren't working and he's like, I need to get you to sickbay.

And he scans her and realizes her blood alcohol level is very high. He's drunk. And he's like, well, obviously the board can't hold their liquor. Yeah. And they're kind of walking. He's escorting her out to kind of sober her up. And she's patting him on the back going, we are as one. Yeah.

We are as one. It's very funny. More comedy. Yes. Yes, that could be a t-shirt. That was rare for seven to have that kind of humor. That was probably one of the earliest, you know, attempts at humor for that character. And then they started doing more of it as we went along.

Oh, yeah. And really, I think Jerry Ryan as an actress was probably pretty excited to be able to let this. Yeah, just for once, for once to not be the seven that we all know. You know, and now she's like, hey, we are his one. And for her, she must have had a blast because it's something different than she's what we're used to seeing from her. But that was a cool shot because as they walk past, Harry makes a comment, well, you know, check out our board drone, you know, check out our seven. She's completely drunk, yada, yada, and that's we find that Paris is busy at a console. He's tapping some buttons and he has discovered, you know, it's so funny.

It's Tom Paris who's doing the science right now. Okay. I just want to say, if everybody had listened to me, I was going to say. I was going to say. Tom Ferris, Tom Ferris is rarely the voice of scientific reason, but you are the voice of reason in this episode. You said it. You're like, look, I found a 0.42 phase variance. And even Harry's like, 0.42, that's nothing.

And you're like, no, no, no, no. This is something. This is serious. Really serious. This is bad. We should not do this. And even Harry's like, listen, buddy, it's. probably a sensor glitch.

Let's just go to the holtick and run some violations. Simple as that. It's good. Yeah. You should have listened to me. We should have. But I just think it's funny of all the people at the party, the only person who's not partying is Paris.

And Paris would be. This is because he's a changed man. He's beginning. He is changing. And, you know, he's changing. But, you know, I would expect Paris would be leading the Congo line. You know, he'd be like, come on back to Delta Quad. I mean, Alpha Quadrant, let's go now.

I mean, you would expect that that would be what would have happening. But no, that's not it. We go the holodeck. We're doing this simulation, just Harry in Paris, which is funny. Because when I first saw it, I was like, the bridge looks so weird with just two people. There's nobody else around. Yeah. It feels like we would have created a holodeck with a full complement of a bridge crew instead of just you and me hanging out on this holodeck bridge.

But anyway, we try this slipstream thing, the sim. simulation. Clearly, it's, it's, you know, no, no, bueno. And then Tom says, we've done 23 simulations and had 23 catastrophes. Please listen to me. Right. This is not going to work, clearly. It's not going to work. We should not do this. Cut to engineering. And we're giving the bad news and the kind of the group is there. Everybody's there, Tuvok and Belana, captain, and the group is kind of agreeing. And then I will take responsibility, Foolish Tom, says, but Harry had an idea. Why didn't I just stick to, let's not do this? Yeah. Because I literally go, well, Harry's got an idea. And then I like prompt you. I go, come on. Come on. Do it, Harry.

Do it. So, all right. I take responsibility. Yeah. Well, that's just you being a good friend. And I think that you saw some, you know, value to my theory or some merits to my theory that, yes, it could work. So let's just throw it out there. And but yeah, you did say no in the beginning. and then you kind of gave in a little bit and said, I'll try your theory out. And it convinces Janeway because Janeway is desperate to get her crew home. So she's going to take the risk. And she's like, okay, I'll think about it.

I also wonder in this scene because everybody's basically saying, yeah, let's not do this. Like we could have ended the conversation there. But Tom goes, well, Harry's got an idea. So I wonder if Harry would have pitched this idea if Tom hadn't said, hey, come on, Harry. You know what I mean? like maybe maybe he wouldn't have that what you're saying yeah I'm saying like in a way was he

going to offer the idea if Tom hadn't said come on tell him I don't know yeah I think I think he was working his he was working up the courage to be able to say yeah what his theory was and Tom kind of knew that all right this this may take all afternoon so let me just prompt him and get him going which is what you did you were the spark plug and Janeway's like that sounds It's like a good plan. And the plan is, just to explain the plan about the slipstream. Yes, yes. Plan for the slip stream is that will send a shuttle out in front of Voyager.

Correct. So that when Voyager goes into slipstream, the shuttle will sort of ride the wave up front and send back the variances. The phase corrections to keep Voyager in a safe slip stream. Correct. It doesn't have these problems. But it doesn't fall out of it. Yeah.

So the shuttle is going to be Harry and Chacote ultimately. They're going to ride in the shuttle, send back the corrections, and then we'll all be good. That's the plan. Right. And it, in theory, should work. Yes, in theory, in theory. And we don't know about Chacote until later, until the next scene. Yeah, we don't know about that.

Oh, by the way, let me just go back to that scene at engineering. I was so nervous that day. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, because I haven't had up until that point, I hadn't really had any scenes where I'm, you know, kind of the leader of the group. Yeah, I'm the leader of the group. I'm really impassioned about this idea and I've got to convince everybody that this is a valid idea. And I just remember going, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Yeah, it's funny that you say that because I made a note. I wasn't even going to bring. I make a lot of notes. Sometimes I skip them. Sometimes you don't. Yeah.

So this one I made, I said group scenes are really funny. Harry's in the center for this one, but it's always funny being part of the group when it's not your story. There's a different role that we play when we're in these, you know, briefing room scenes or whatever, when you're the leader with the idea and when you're just sort of part of the ensemble. And usually you and I are part of the ensemble. Yeah, we're not. Yeah, we're in the briefing room

and we're tossing in a couple lines here or there, but we're not leading the group. And I did note that. I thought, wow, you're in the center for this one. Like you had to carry this scene. Yeah. I always like being part of the group because I'm usually goofing off or doing something. Exactly.

You don't have as much. I'm trying to make Beltran laugh off in the corner or something. Not just Beltran. You try to make all of us laugh. All of you. Let's face it. It wasn't just Beltran. But I do like that final gesture at the very end of that scene in engineering, I point

at you. And I go, yes. You know, I do this. Oh, yeah. And it was kind of like I, at least my choice as an actor was my backstory behind that was we had debated this back and forth, back and forth. And then I said, well, here's my theory. What if we do this?

And you still had reservations about my theory. and you were saying to me, you know what? I don't think Janeway's going to go for this. Captain's not going to go for this. And I said, yeah, but what if we joined it this way? And so when the captain's like, give me my, you know, put the flight plan on my desk by, you know, this time, whatever, that's when I thought, oh, we got it. We did it. And so I added that little point at you and the gesture at you.

Yeah. Sort of, you know, playing off a backstory that we didn't even see that. Yeah, it was a nice intercut there too. You kind of did that. We did this celebration. and I think I sort of had a big smile. You did a little smile like, good for you, little buddy. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes.

Yeah, it was good. All right, let's jump to Janeway's quarters. What we talk about this one? Yeah. Well, since I am a J.C. shipper, and we all know that. And by the way, earlier, when Janeway says in the engineering, when they're celebrating the christening of the warp drive, and Janeway says to Chakotay, will you got any plans? He said, no, nothing special, just to date with a replica.

and she's like canceled that date or something right right I was like whoa and here we are and it's a romantic dinner there's very romantic handles the finest crystal yeah it's a beautiful they're celebrating their last night in the Delta quadrant and she says to him I've decided I've decided to go to Harry's plan right and Chacote is kind of skeptical she goes you know what do you think How do you feel about that? He goes, well, it's very risky. And I'm just skeptical. He's not sure.

Right. And she says, I know it's a risk, but I'm willing to take it. Are you with me? Mm-hmm. And he says, always. Always. Oh, my J.C. Schiff, her heart just went. Always with her.

Of course. Uh-huh. And then Braga and Mnowski add in the humor because she goes, Jamie says, speaking of risks, are you? you ready to try some home cooking? And that's when Chacote says, I'll alert sickbay, which is very funny. It was a little funny. There's a little comedy there. I mean, I did write down dad joke because there's a couple of dad jokes in there. I feel like that's. You need those, you know, to balance out the craziness and the seriousness. By the way. Yeah. By the way, she says, are you ready to try some home

cooking? He says, I'll alert sick pay. Yeah. And then she laughs and puts her hand, cups her hand on his on his oh i didn't notice that i was writing notes she touches his hand she's like oh no reaches in and caresses him i was like jama does not do intimate handcuffing on every character this is only with chocote that she okay and you know what picard never intimately you know handcuffed freaks face you know what i'm saying that never happened so very few first officers get their face caressed by their captain unless there's something going on there is yeah i mean come on on people. The math adds up. It's the romantic dinner. It's the handcuffing. It's all the stuff. I do want to make one note about the food that she prepared. She said, I have a special

dish that my grandmother used to make back on Earth. And she said, vegetable biryani, which is an East Indian dish, which I was so happy to hear because he selected, you know, Braga and Mnowski, as the writers, made a decision. They said, you know what, let's pick a dish that is not your standard because she should have said my grandma's pot roast, you know, something that was a very American Caucasian, you know, sort of, you know, a dish. But no, they went with an East Indian dish, which shows that at least by the 24th century that, you know, all these cultures have kind of combined into one cohesive unit in a way. And people are really used to having East Indian food because they like it, you know, not because it's an exotic. And that's a family tradition.

It's a family tradition now. So I love that. Agreed. Now we go on to the Delta Flyer Shuttle. Yes. We meet Mullet Harry for the first time. We see Mullet Harry. We see this is the first time everyone's stuff is off of their face. They're not in the parkers anymore, right? Yeah. And I want to tell you, we went through multiple tests on what the hair would look like 15 years in the future. So it's amazing that you landed on the mullet. Harry Witt. This is this that was the that was not even one of the options. That just showed up. on the day of filming. I'm like, what is this? This is not what we decided on. So one option they had, they put a wig on me that was so, the hair was so long. It was down past my back. Okay. Like, yeah. And I thought, oh, this looks cool. And so they actually took a picture of me standing outside the makeup trailer and it was kind of windy. So I'm standing there and the hair is like blowing back like that. It just, it looks pretty badass, to be perfectly honest.

So I said, I think this would be the best one to go with, you know, because Harry just you know, he's quit Starfleet. He's had, he just let his hair grow out. He doesn't even care about, you know, his hair. And it's been years now. So it wouldn't be this long. And then they showed me another option. Then all of a sudden, out of the blue on the day that I'm working, they give me this wig that's basically a mullet. And I'm like, you're going to give me, you're going to give me the mullet. They're like, well, this is what we decided was best. We didn't want to go with, I go, when did I get to chime in on this? They were like, well, you know, we talked to the producers. They think this is the value. It worked. It worked. But it was definitely a mullet. But it did

It was, it definitely told the story of like he's no longer a military, you know, he's not Starfleet kind of buttoned up. It definitely told the story, but it was, it was a mullet. Still a mullet. We do realize they bring the doctor on. The doctor's like, what is going on? They say, we're 15 years in the future. That's the first number we get here, 15 years. 15 years that they're in the Takara sector, which is just outside the alpha quadrant. Yeah. And they tell the doctor that the rest of the crew,

was dead. Yeah, Voyager crashed on an ice planet, killed everyone on board. Yeah, I love the gray hair. I made a note. I love the angry Harry. Harry's definitely angry and bitter. Different guy, clearly, because the mullet tells us. But no, because he's just, his personality is very different.

For sure. And we also find out that Starfleet gave up on trying to find Voyager a long time ago. Yeah. And that Chacote and Harry have not given up. and they've continued to try to find it. And that's where they located it on this ice planet. And the doctor's curious. He's like, what are you going to do in terms of changing history?

A message back in time, how is this possible? And we tell the doctor that the plan is to use seven's interplexing beacon, one of her cranial implants, to send a message back in time. And Chikote is, you know, he gets all science. And he starts to hear some major techno babble in this scene. Oh, I wrote this down. I said Beltran had so much technical babble. hated Technobabble.

So Chikote asked the doctor to extract, to extract the interplexing beacon and figure out the transling frequency. And then this is the line that I remember when I read this line for Chocote in the script, I thought, man, he's not going to, I don't know. He's going to hate this. He's going to hate this. We may not even be able to get this entire line on film.

And it is, can you access seven's chronometric node and pinpoint the exact moment her cybernetic implants disengage from her organic systems? I thought that one right there is going to kick him in the pie. He'll never make it. He'll never make it. He's going to die. He'll be a casual.

And it's funny because Belcheron loves Shakespeare. He loves it. He did Hamlet while we were, you know, he played Hamlet. He learned, you know, Shakespearean text. He can learn. But, Technobabble? Yeah. No.

He told me, I remember he sent me the invite. He says, I'm playing Hamlet at this local theater in Los Angeles. And I thought, there's no way. He's not going to, how he's going to get through all the Shakespeare. If he flips out on a few lines of Technobabble, there's no. way. He's going to have to stop the production of Hamlin and say, wait, wait, hold on. Cosmo line and ask Cosmo for a line. He's not going to remember it. But when I went to see him, he was perfect. He had every line on point and he never, never, never, ever went up on a line. So I was very impressed because

he loves Shakespeare. He doesn't love technical balboid. We learn in this in the sequence that they are fugitives. Yes. That they've been accused of high treason. And they have violated a conspiracy to violate the temporal prime directive. Right, because they stole, they stole, because then the doctor says, how are you going to get this message to her in the past? And the Harry shows the doctor a little case that has a Borg temporal transmitter that they stole from Starfleet, that Starfleet found in a cube, a Borg cube somewhere at some point. So this is the, this is the way that they're going to get this message through. But now they're criminals. They are criminals. And now we met, oh, we, we meet Tessa. Tessa comes in. She introduces herself to the doctor. He says,

How'd you get involved with, who does he say? With this, Bonnie and Clyde or something like that. Yeah, how do you get involved with Bonnie and Clyde? And Harry turns around and says, they're having sex. Yeah, they're having, just so blunt, doesn't even care. I loved it. It was great. It was good.

It was really good. Tesla comes in not only to say hi, but also that a federation vessel is on an intercept course. So that's the warning. We've got to work as fast as we can. We jump to the bridge. Before we jump to the bridge, I want to say, go. So we're on the Delta flyer. Yes.

It seems we say that. But I built the Delta Flyer and I was like, where is this in the, what? When did the Delta Flyer become a giant ship with like, with like, you know, a science lab and. And did we ever go back there? We didn't. But when you built it, you did talk about how big it was, how much big it was. how much bigger it was in the building, in the actual pre-building phase. You mentioned that.

We just never saw before. We didn't know. No, we had no idea that there were racquetball courts as well on that shuttle. I mean, we had no clue. There's a lap pool downstairs. There's a dog park as well. I mean, it's amazing on this little shuttle. I had no idea.

Yeah, it's very much like a TARDIS from Dr. Hu. It's much bigger on the inside is what the bottom line is. Now, we actually jump back into the 15 years. in the future time, we're on the bridge, the frozen bridge, and Chocote and Tessa are at Harry Station. Tessa has located the sensor logs, but the computer is denying her access. Chocote then walks down to his old seat and says, well, at least I've got my command codes. And he enters those and he accesses an active file. He says, oh, there's an active file in here. We hear a little bit of a snippet of Janeway saying, but should our luck run out? I'd like to say for the record that the crew

a Voyager acted with distinction and valor. And that's when Chacote feels it. Like he's, he's kind of overwhelmed by the moment. Tesla sees that. Yeah, she sees it too. But instead of talking about Janeway, this is what twisted me a little bit. I thought he was going to say something about Kate, you know, about Janeway, his relationship with Janeway. But then he's like, you know, at the end, he's like, well, you know, I can't believe it's, we've been working all this time to this moment. And now we're here. And the only thing I can think about is, losing you. And I'm like, why are you saying that? You should say something a bit positive about Janeway a little bit, but, you know, it is what it is. That's his current relationship. But all the

J.C. Shippers were probably going, no, that is not the right one for you. They were pretty unhappy about that. Well, she says to him, your heart has always been here on Voyager. She does, which then the J.C. Sippers go, yay. Tessa knows. She's not the right person for you. And another joke, Tessa says, I don't suppose we have time for a tour. Ticote answers. Fraid not. besides, I left my quarters a mess, which is like, another dad joke. Dad jokes. There's a lot of dad jokes in this. We go to the shuttle and we see Harry leaving a message.

We hear the end of a message. For a friend. For a friend. We don't know what it is. Doc gets his attention. And he basically tells the doctor about how guilty he feels about all this. And I made a note, it's almost like a Han Solo, like bitter jaded. Like, he's just a totally different character.

Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was really, really cool. Yeah, the homecoming, because he's describing the homecoming, but Dr. asked Harry about the homecoming. He talks about the parade and everything and this and that and the guilt. And then the decision by Starfleet to call off the search was devastating to Harry. And Harry went to all the admirals and begged them and begged them. And they all said, nope, we're not going to let, you know, we're not going to continue this search.

And that's when Harry quits Starfleet. And we have a computer announcement that the vessel was approaching. And this is when Harry is now in the Delta Flyer cockpit with the doctor. Now I realize where we are. Now I was like starting to get away. Oh, okay. We really are on the Delta Flyer. Like now I see the helm.

I see things that I remember. Yes. I'm starting to understand. And anyway, the doctor realizes he's on board with criminals. And it basically ends this scene with, all right, I'm with you. Let's tempt fate. Now, if you notice, there's an ongoing theme of me slapping the doctor really hard. Okay, so I just, I'm hitting him on the arm.

I don't think that was in the script. I think that was probably my choice as an actor because I felt the 15-year bitter, jaded Harry would be a little bit more, like I said, not only is he brusk when he's talking. He's also in his physicality. Physically, a little bit. Yes, he's a little harsher. Rougher, exactly. So that was another choice they had made.

in this episode. It's like me and you when I used to hit you on the chest or the arm. And you'd be like, how? Yes. In fact, I took that cue from you. I thought, you know what, Robbie kind of hits me, you know, off camera like that. I'm going to do the same. I'm going to bang.

I'm going to rough up the doctor the way Robbie, you know, affectionately roughs me up in between the team. Exactly. I took that cue from you. All right. So we are now, oh, now we have an intercut. Yeah, it's jumping back in the past. Back to the past between the bridge.

and the Delta Flyer cockpit with Chacote and Harry in there. And now you hear Janeway's full message that Chacote was listening to in the Frozen Bridge. And you hear what that is all about when she's talking to the crew, that log entry. And now Chocote goes through this pre-flight checklist, which at the end, he says, lunch. And I say salami sandwiches. Chacote goes, shields, and you go online. Yeah. Plasma.

Stable. Stable. lunch salami sandwiches yeah i was like i wrote it down dad joke that joke and also in this scene i made it a point to make sure that um my voice quality was still the optimistic harry kim that were and devoid of guilt harry that we know of and and also with 15 year in the future bitter harry i also changed my voice quality a little bit to be a gruffer a little bit more raspy just to have that difference between the two. We jump to the Delta Flyer cockpit in the 15 years of the future. Yes, back the flyer. Jacote and Tessa are now chatting with each other and trying to

figure out how they can buy more time for Harry and the doctor. And that's when they decide to talk to whoever's chasing them. And now we see it's Captain LaForge of the Starship Challenger. He has his own Galaxy Class Starship. I'm so proud of you, LaForge. So proud of LaForge. Oh, my goodness. goodness, yes. And also cool, he doesn't have the banana clip visor anymore. I did notice LeVar blinking a lot with the contacts. Yeah, the context probably got him good. And I'm sure he was just like, oh, I can't, these contacts are bugging me. Please end the scene so I can take them out. It also reminded me when I saw a LeVar there doing the thing. It reminded me of when you're directing and acting in the same episode, because I did that a number of times. Yes, you have. I always remembered

I loved when I was directing and acting because I felt so much more engaged in the story and the script and I just felt more relaxed. Yeah. I felt more confident with what this scene was about. Sometimes as an actor, you get the script kind of late. You don't study it quite as deeply. Right.

In terms of the whole story and kind of where you fit in. Right. So I was just watching those scenes with him thinking, wow, I wonder if he had the same experience when he was directing and acting in the, the show that he felt, you know, more connected or something. He seemed like he did. He seemed very. I definitely think, like you said, you probably felt more invested, you know, because you are, that is your episode that you know backwards and forwards, you know everything about it,

what camera angles are going to be used. So it's definitely probably helpful. But, you know, the only thing, and I talked about this with you before, I mean, you, you still have to have someone watch what you're doing, though, right? So did you ask, who did you, did you say, Marvin, check, make sure that I'm, you know... I would usually talk to Marvin or I'd ask the other actors in the scene if I was doing a scene with the doctor or something. Keep an eye on me and see if there's anything. Yeah, like how did that scene feel?

How did that close up feel? Do you feel like we were, you know, in the zone? Yeah. Marvin would be another one I would lean on for that kind of feedback. And one time when I was directing, I think this... I can't remember which time. It was early on. It wasn't the first episode, but maybe the second one I directed.

that I actually hired a directing slash acting teacher, friend of mine who taught acting and directing classes. And I said, hey, can I pay you to come down on some of the days when I'm acting and directing and watch me? And I just told everybody, oh, he's a friend of mine coming down to hang out. Because I didn't want, you know, and then I go over to, his name's Mark, and I'd go over to him and I'd be like, you know, how was that?

I was so I wanted to get some real feedback so but I didn't want people to know like I had a coach on set or whatever and you're like Mark and by the way you are my cousin from North Carolina and he's like I don't know why I should have just said I've got this is my yeah this is my acting coach yeah I don't know why I don't think anybody would have thoughts nobody would have cared no what it would have cared Robbie but I know that you're feeling I was like eh maybe I shouldn't say this so yeah the other thing I want to bring up is so we're intercutting with them on the talking to Laforge on the helm at the helm of Delta Fire, back to Harry and the doctor working on this board technology.

Yeah. The doctor has this part of her body. It's like the metal skull, it's borg metal with an eye socket. And I just thought, Hey, it's not just an eye socket. The eyeball is there. The eyeball's there. The fake eyeball.

And I thought, wait a minute, we just skipped over the scene where the doctor cut seven open and dissects her. Like we just skipped that horrific scene and we, I guess her body's in the refrigerator over there with her part of her head cut off. I was just like,

do we have to do that? Like, it's a little firm movie. That eyeball that we see is the same eyeball that was fashioned and crafted by the doctor because when we took when we took her little ocular borg eye piece off that was covering her that one eye you know that was

what had to be created to make her look human otherwise she'd have a socket and that's it oh i totally get it i get but i was just like wait we skipped over the whole part of cutting her apart but the minute you saw him holding that you thought about that that's all i could think of that she had to dissect her isn't he traumatized like you like seven he doesn't have oh oh yeah no very true um now we we jump back to uh 15 years in the past it's now back and forth between the bridge and the delta flyer cockpit and i love that levar decided to put some sweat on me so he's spray yeah to make it look like airy's like you know he's he's definitely feeling the pressure and uh and what makes it even worse is that we lose communications right so now he can't even

say anything because you can't, I can't hear, Voyager, Voyager can't hear me. So Harry's really freaking out. So now back on the bridge, I think Tom says there's an overload of the quantum matrix. We can't even shut down the slipstream drive. And that's the big, uh-oh moment right there. Like there's going to be problems. There's going to be trouble. We now jump to the, I think it's the interior of the Delta Flyer shuttle, the back cargo bay area, the science station. Yeah, the part that I don't remember ever going to, that part. Yeah, that one. And And it's Harry and the doctor. And Harry is so excited that he's finally going to get a chance to transmit these phase corrections to seven.

And he does. He transmits them to her. And we see seven sort of telling the captain, I'm receiving a message in my cranial implant. And Janeway's like, does Harry know how to access them? And she says no. And then Janeway quickly dismisses that and accepts it as fact. She's like, he must have found a way like that. So input those phase corrections.

She does. And it helps momentarily. It works for a minute. but then boom they're right out of it again and that's when they fall out and they stops working and overloads they crash they crash amazing amazing uh they can't shut down the slipstream by the way you know no says i can't do it i've lost helm control yeah yeah they fall out of slip stream you find the hell you're the one that finds the l class planet by the way right hey we find here's a planet and jami says go for it let's try that one so yeah it's a great

crash sequence that the ship crash landing on the planet is one of the best vis effects sequences in our entire seven years for the entire show by absolutely absolutely cinematic in its scope and big you know really really well done yeah very well done after the crash we go back to the delta flyer in the future um and we see that harry's struggling because the face corrections didn't work and now there's a tractor beam coming from la forges ship right so we don't have much time harry's trying to figure out what He can tell them and he has a panic attack, basically. Yeah, he freaks out.

Because he has the core breach in less than three minutes. And I think one of his lines is it took me 10 years to figure out these calculations. How am I supposed to figure out, find the right number in three minutes in less than three minutes? But the doctor is the one that kind of calms Harry. And he's like, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to shake you. It was. It was a really emotional scene, by the way. really like the acting that you you had to do was you know very loaded and emotionally big do you

remember doing that scene i i do remember that scene very vividly and that was not the best take really you know on a scale from one to 10 let's 10 10 is in the zone you knocked it out of the park okay that to me was probably like a seven maybe because what happened was on the best take some grip somebody, somebody on crew, dropped a hammer or a wrench, like very loudly. It went clung, clung, clang, clung, like that. And it actually, I was okay with that. That didn't zonk me out. But because it was so jarring, it tripped me up on one of my next lines that I had.

You know what I'm saying? So I was like, and I just remember I was so angry because I was so in the zone on that one, that it was so good. But you didn't, but you lost the lines. No, I lost the line is what I recall. And it was, but even after that take, that messed up take, Bob Picardo walked over to me and he says, Garrett, you can act.

I mean, I remember that. That was like the funniest thing I've ever heard him say. He's like, you've been working with me for five years. And now he goes, Karen, I don't ever see you in any scenes where you're doing anything. I mean, this is really the first time I've seen you act. And you can, you can act. You really can. And I was like, well, thanks, Bob.

So it was a nice gesture on his part. But like I said, that one scene when I nailed it that got screwed up because of the drop was, and you know as an actor, when you're in the zone, man, there's nothing like it. You sit there. Oh, yeah. Wow. I mean, it's a life, not life changing, but it's definitely one of those moments where you go, oh, my God.

And you feel so proud and just happy that you did nil. You nailed it. You know, it's just like, this is the best. It's so funny because, yeah, for our listeners,

like, you do a lot of takes of each of these scenes. Like when the show's cut together, there's only, we have to pick the take. And we pick the take that we pick for so many reasons.

Sometimes it's continuity of where your body was or where your arms were, what way you were leaning. Yeah. So there's some physical continuity that sometimes we have to use certain takes. You know, when you're editing,

when they were editing your scene, And they may have just dismissed the take with the hammer thinking, oh, it's not a complete take. So never mind. We just won't even look at it. We won't even look at it. They didn't even look at it. They might have just gone to the full take. Yeah.

And they could have maybe if they had the time or looked a little harder, they could have used part of that take before you, you know, the hammer fell. Right. And then and then edited that in, right? At least have some of the perfect take. Yeah. But often there's just, you know, the whole process sometimes. there's not enough time in people, they just miss it. Nobody even sees it, which is a shame. Totally. I do really love how calm Chacote is. He is so calm because when you hear

corp breach in 45 seconds and then he goes, Harry, now would be a good time. I mean, he's so, so calm in the face of imminent destruction. Everyone's going to die. And then, you know, Harry realizing that the power is failing is another hurdle that he has to overcome and quick thinking on his feet, hey, doctor's mobile emitter, another power source. And that final yes moment was definitely a very climactic scene, a climactic moment of Harry figuring out how to shut. Yeah, send them the phase correction that'll shut it all down, which was the doctor's idea, by the way. You know, remember Harry was so like, oh my God, I can't do this. He says, just send him something that will stop everything, you know, that they won't go into the slip stream at all. And so that was that,

that yes, I got the calculation. Was it like 1.02 seconds left before the breach? It was like right there. Three, two, one, done. Yeah. Yeah, very, very energetic. Very close. Yeah, he sends it with a big yes. We go to the bridge, new set of phase corrections. The quantum drive ends up going offline that strips and collapses and i love the moment after this happens the quiet moment where the shots were all pushing in on different characters going that montage where did that message yeah where did it come from like yeah where did the message come from they can't figure it out we're 10 years but they did move 10 years closer 10 years closer yeah and yeah we've got this voice over with jane way talking about you know how they are 10 years closer and we cut to

mess hall at this point. Yeah. And Harry's by himself. He's still trying to figure out who sent the phase corrections. Who sent the phase corrections? Janeway comes in and Janeway tells him that it came from the future. Well, first he says a guardian angel, which is like, oh, yeah, I wish I could believe that. Believe it. His name is Harry Kim, Captain. Seven found a Starfleet security code embedded in the transmission, yours. So is very emotional. Very emotional. Great little spin at the end there. He's a hero. I like when she says, you know, about temporal paradoxes, don't even try to figure him out. Yes. Don't even. That's how what I think when I try to figure out temporal paradoxes, don't even try. And she does say all that matters is that somewhere, somehow, sometime, you came

through for us, Harry. Yeah. Yeah. And then she leaves him this message on a tricorder and he plays it back. Yeah. And we see that it's the message that we didn't see before. We saw the end of it. Yeah. Which I love that tie-in there. Really great writing. Really good writing, I think. Agreed, agreed. From Harry Kim to Harry Kim. And even now, I mean, I've seen this episode probably, I'm going to guess,

15, 20 times over the years. And it always still chokes me up at the end. There's always a moment or two in this episode where I'm getting a little teary-eyed. So what is your lesson for this entire episode? This is a very important lesson that I learned from watching this episode. And the lesson I learned is always listen to Tom. Okay. Okay.

Because Tom said, don't do it. Don't do this. Trust me. 23 simulations, 23 catastrophes, don't do it. That's my lesson. I don't have anything deeper. What's yours? My lesson is a little deeper than that.

And it is in the line that Harry Kim has to the doctor. He says, this is no old. ordinary phone call doc. We're talking to yesterday. Timing is everything. And that is my lesson. Timing is everything. It is so true. And that that's in every part of life. It really is. Whether it's your career, your investment in stocks or whatever may be, you know, or real estate. Timing is everything. Or meeting the love of your life. Exactly. Exactly. Timing is everything. I like that. So that's going to be my overall lesson. I like that.

I also like listen to Tom. Okay. You like that? Always listen to Tom is also. That's a good one too. What is your rating of this episode? Okay. So for rating this episode, for everybody out there listening, we've decided to add a little

something extra to our ratings. We have had our admirals and our captains all vote and chime in on ratings. So we do not know the rating ahead of time. we give our rating and then I'm going to let Garrett know what the outcome of that poll was. So my rating, I give this, I wrote it down, as I watched a nine out of 10. Nice. Very high for my typical, you know, I can be tough on episodes, but this one I thought was really, really good.

Great story, great sci-fi premise, great acting all around. It flew by. The execution, I thought, you know, from the technical. crew the set design and visual effects all phases all phases in sync and i know that you said earlier this was a hairy episode and i i don't disagree with that but what i did love about it is it had the whole crew involved it did it did involved and that's always a big part for me yes of a successful episode yeah that's put one of your criteria and your rating is always if everyone's involved that's a thumbs up for you if you only have a couple people when everyone else was kind of

gotten, that's a thumbs down. So we know your rating criteria. I give it a nine out of ten. What about you? I'm going to give it a nine point two. So I'm going to add a little bit more on there. Okay. Yeah, I'm just going to do that. Okay. And my point eight that I didn't give it a full 10 is due to a couple of things that do-overs that I'll talk about in the bonus materials. Okay. All right. Yeah. So you're a nine point two. I'm a solid nine. Yes. And drum roll for these. the ratings from the fans. Yes. For Timeless is a

nine out of ten. Yeah, the same as yours. Okay. It was a nine out of ten, which is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I'm on the pulse of this thing. Yeah, so are you, 9.2.

We're all in the same. We're very close. And that's a high rating because a lot of our episodes, I've seen other places like online where some episodes will get, you know, lower ratings. And the fans can be, fans can be tough.

Yes. And, you know, have high standards for the show. Yeah. So they can be tough, but nine out of ten is great. I almost wish we started this fan interaction in asking them what their rating is earlier because I really want to know how they rated the trilogy of terror, those three episodes.

Yeah, maybe we should put out a poll and go back and do some bonus. Rise, darkling, and favorite son. What are your rights? ratings. Just curious. I'd be curious. I would be curious. Okay. All right. So next week, let us chat and discuss infinite regress. Would you say regress or regress? How do you pronounce it? I would say regress. Regress. Infinite regress. Infinite regress. Okay. Infinite regress. I don't know, actually. Now I'm, now I'm, now you're, is it tomato tomato. I think I would say regress. Now that you kind of say it. Okay. Good. That will be our episode next week. Thank you, everyone for joining us. And in our

review of our 100th episode of Voyager Timeless. We'll see you next week. See everybody then. You know, but