The Delta Flyers - Unforgettable

Episode Date: January 24, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Unforgettable. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Unforgettable:A female alien fleeing her home planet seeks asylum and claims to have ties to Chakotay, but he has no memory of her.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey,Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Melissa Lau, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Bronwen Duffield, Elly Post, & Brandon MayAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Jennifer, Ann Marie Segal, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Red Wizard, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, & Robert PicardThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and of course my co-host, Robert Duncan, McNeil. And remember, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a Patreon patron at patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers. Well, hello there, Garrett. How are you today? I'm okay, Robbie. Is it snowy in your neck of the woods? The temperature right now is like right on the border. So it was kind of flurries this morning. Now it's kind of wet, but I think it's going to get cold tonight. We're going to have a couple days of a bunch of snow, which will be fun. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty when it's snowing up there. It is. It is. It's pretty covered, well covered here in Calgary. And it is currently snowing as I, talk right now to you i can look out of the window from my to my right and i can see it's it's not really a white out but it definitely looks it's coming down pretty heavy so well it's funny because

i can look behind you and i see the windows outside and it looks like stars it look it doesn't look like it's snowing yeah no no that's you know what i'm in the ready room background that i'm in the delta quadrant what am i thinking yes in my in the captain's ready room and what What do you have behind you? I have an image I found online, which I just thought was cool. It was like kind of a close-up of, I think, the bridge from the outside. So it's kind of a tighter shot of the ship with dramatic kind of sunset lighting. Oh, okay.

I just thought it was cool. It looks like it was when we landed the ship on that planet. Mm-hmm. I think it may be from that episode. Okay. But it's cool. Yeah. Well, for those of you who are.

listening to our free version, or those of you who are Patreon patrons at the Ensign level, just so you know, if you move to lieutenant level, you get to see all our wonderful backgrounds behind us that we all the things we describe. You then get to look at like the J.C. Shipper T-shirt I wore last time. That you talked about in the last episode. Yeah. I have my standard Delta Flyers crew member show on. What t-shirt are you wearing underneath that jacket? Are you? not wearing this is a company called indestructible it's kind of like a a motorcycle wear yeah yeah i thought you're about to say i'm not wearing any t-shirt and then you would unzip and you would just show me your hairy chest my hair you didn't do that you didn't do that my chest is not as hairy these

days as it was when we did Voyager clearly because there were a couple of episodes you you commented on it where you were like you have the hair coming out over your collar there well it was high i know When you, when you were a young man, it came up so high. What the heck was going on? It's sort of like high tide and low tide. It was high tide when you were young and now it's low tide. Yeah. Like it doesn't go up to your face.

It's all that chest tear is now. It migrated to your chin and your, your, your mustache area. Yeah. Okay. So would you say that it begins mid-ch? No, it's definitely close to your neck still, right? I mean, my chest tears? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, I don't feel like anything's changed there. I don't know why it just looked that way on some episodes. My face has changed a lot. I mean, nobody recognizes me these days from Star Trek, zero. Even people you work with, I know that there's, you've told me there's been coworkers that after working with you for X amount of days, months, they go, wait a minute, you were on Voyager, like that, right? They do that to you.

And you're like, yeah. Because they don't recognize me from how I look. because I always wear a baseball cap. Yeah. You have glasses on? I'm working. I wear glasses now. I wasn't wearing glasses during Voyager.

I didn't start wearing glasses until my mid-40s. We have these things called sides. Yeah. So when you're filming, they'll print out a very small version of the pages of the script that you're filming that day, and they call them sides. And you take those sides and fold them up, stick them in your pocket. So you can refer to it throughout the day. But I found because they were shrunk a little smaller, like half size.

that I was reading the sides and then I was moving them a little further and a little further and a little further until my arm got to the end and but those little sides I was like I can't read I could not get far enough away wow to read them and then I was like I and then I got readers magnifier you know just drugstore readers right and that worked for a while but then I was like just get the dang prescription yeah yeah you're far-sighted then I'm guessing I don't understand well okay So near-sighted is this. If you're holding those little sides, you have to bring them closer and closer and closer to be able to see them without glasses. And pushing them further and further away means you're far-sighted.

I guess so. I do have a prescription. These, my glasses are progressives, right? So the top half is one prescription for distance, which is not a big prescription. And then my reading portion on the bottom of these glasses is a much stronger. So they're bifocals then. Yeah, these are bifocals, basically. Oh, all right.

Yeah, so no one recognizes you with Nope. That going on. And the big beard, which I'm working on. I'm really trying to get it. I got some nice beard wax today. I'm back in the beard game. For real, I'm going to go along with it.

We'll see how long we go. Back in the beard game. My goodness. If I could only grow up what you have, I'd be happy. But I can't even come close to that. It's just such a joke. It really is.

It's so scraggly. But, you know, this is, this is what I was born into. I think it's the thing about beards, Garrett, the thing about beards is you got to start and try and it takes practice because my first beard was all splotchy. And then I just had to keep, I feel like once you let it grow and then you let it grow a while and then you shave it and you let it go a while again, it starts kind of filling itself in. Maybe that's just my, maybe that's my imagination probably. no i think you're no i think you might be right but i think that's probably not for asian people though maybe not i'm gonna say right now you just a technique will not work i saw one guy one guy in my entire life that had a full beard like yours

and that was asian and i actually stopped him this is a total stranger i stopped him i go sir may i take a photo of your beard and he looked at me like i was crazy i said you do understand that's the fullest beard on an Asian person that I've ever seen. I said, are you, are you 100% Asian? He goes, yeah. I said, is everyone in your family like that? He goes, no, I'm the only person who has this.

I said, like some recessive game. I go, where's this from? I go, this is like a Viking beard. It was just, oh, it was so full. And I was so jealous. And I thought, boy, if I could grow that out like that. Yeah. Someday, someday, it's never too late.

to try new things, Gerard. Maybe when I grow up, Robbie. When I grow up, I'll try it. When you grow up. This week's episode, are you ready to go watch this? Yes, I am. What is the name of it? It's called Unforgetable.

Oh, yeah. Yes, do you remember you sang at the end of last week? Because I asked you to sing because I always loved to hear you sing you. I couldn't remember that song. So I went after our podcast last time. Did you look it up? On Spotify. Oh.

Play it because I was, and I was like, oh, I was all off with my words and my tunes. A little bit, yeah. Okay. So can you do the whole first one now? Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we'll get there. All right, we'll see. We'll see.

Okay, let's go watch this episode, and we will be right back with our recap and discussion of Unforgettable. For all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material. Hey, everyone, we are back from watching Unforgettable. In every way. Okay. Okay. Nice. We should add singing to every episode.

We really should. Mostly you, but, you know, I'll direct. No, let's do it. We'll do it. It'll be great. Okay, that'll be fun. All right. Well, let us start as we normally do,

and I'm going to begin with my haiku of Unforgettable. Here we go. Poetry time. Poetry time, it is. Ready. Okay. My haiku for unforgettable. mystery woman

returns to rekindle love Kerneth spoils the day that's damn Kurneth Kurneth! Damn him! All right, let's hear that limerick. All right, here we go.

There's a beautiful haiku, by the way. Thank you, sir. Anytime you can get a kerneth in a hykoo, it's a major accomplishment. Yes. Excellent. All right. Okay, here we go with our Limerick.

I can't wait for unforgettable. Chocote was in love, but then he forgot. Kellan tells the story of how she got caught. She came back for him. Things start to look grim. Then she forgets. And that's the plot. Yeah, good job.

I always, it's usually after your second verse, of the limerick that I have to squelch a laugh that is coming up from the depths of my soul. And I sit there and I go, don't laugh, don't laugh, don't ruin it, don't ruin it. And I always. Limericks are fun. Limericks are so fun. They're fun poetry. Yes, yes.

And you're a fun guy. So that compared with the fun poetry makes extra fun is what it is. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. All right. Let's jump right into this. Okay.

So unforgettable, the script is written by Greg Elliott and Mike. Michael Perricone. Perricone? Is it Pericone or is it Pericone? I don't know. I was going to ask you, do you know these writers? These were outside writers. No, I don't know either of these gentlemen.

Greg Elliott and Michael Pericone. Yeah. Don't know. Don't know them. And I had no clue that this was the second Andrew Robinson directed episode. I don't remember her. I know, but I wasn't there for that one. Remember that was my exile.

So for me, I think. thought I never worked with Andrew. And then, bing, here he is. Again. And I love Andrew Robinson. I did too. He's awesome. He was so good with actors. Oh, my gosh. He's such, yes, not only he's good with actors, but he's just a great person, period. To talk to. He's such a wonderful person to have a conversation with. And he's just so easygoing. You know, he's just one of those dudes you want to hang out with and have a beer with, period. So, yeah. Yeah, he did a great job. Our guest stars, I was right, Virginia Madsen. You were right.

I can't believe it. You called it. Virginia Madsen was in this playing Kellyn. Now, a lot of people know who she is, but just for those that don't, Virginia Madsen was born in Chicago, Illinois. And she is best known for her Academy Award and Golden Globe nominated role in Sideways, the movie Sideways, which is one of my favorite films of all time. I love the movie Sideways. Interesting. You know, I did like that film, but I would not say that that is what I would consider her best known role.

Oh, really? Yeah, like for me, when I first saw her work was the original Dune. Yeah, she was in the original Dune. She plays the young princess in that. And when she showed up on set, I was, you know, a little nervous around her. I was like, oh, my gosh, there she is. And my memory is a little, you know, faulty because I thought I had zero scenes with this, this actress with Virginia, but I did have a scene with her in astrometrics with seven of nine. So that was my scene.

I had no recollection of that. What else I know about Virginia Madsen, you know, I always like to go back and see what their very first job was. Oh, yeah. What was it? So Virginia Madsen's very first job that I could find was a movie called Class. you know this movie class 1983 give me other people that are in this film uh well

some of the people in it are Andrew McCarthy yes Andrew McCarthy Roblo Jacqueline Bissette John Cusack Alan Rock yes it's a private school kind of one of those 80s teen comedies

where I think Andrew McCarthy goes to some fancy private school he ends up often a night on the town meets this older woman spends the night with her turns out to be his best friend in private school's mom right so it was a which you know happens all the time yeah uh right it's just a yeah that scenario always happens classic 80s film but class

was her very first uh job she was one of the i think the private school students okay uh one of the kids there with rob low and john kusack yeah the whole gang so what about michael michael canavan uh as Kerneth, who was in your haiku. Yeah, they could have just used his last name as his alien name. Canavan. Canavan. How dare you use that neuralytic emitter, Canavan. Almost. All right, tell me about Canavan. Michael is from Portsmouth, Virginia. That's where he was born. His very first job that I could find. He's done a ton of work. Yeah. I think Virginia Madsen's done like 150 roles or something and shows at least. And I think Michael's also done like 50 TV shows. movies and things.

His very first job was in the TV series, Dallas. Oh, my goodness. Now, he may have, there's a little conflict. He may have done a TV movie called Born to Be Sold with Linda Carter around the same time. So I'm not sure whether Dallas or the classic TV movie, Born to Be Sold with Linda Carter was the first job. Okay. So Michael Canavan has been around for a long time is what we're saying. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cool. So we had some veterans on this episode. We did. We had some vets. So we get into the story. First scene opens on the bridge with a nice long opening shot. It's you and me. Harry with a monologue. Yeah. You have this rambling techno babble monologue, which was all to set up Chacote's joke of like, of like.

You just give me the, give me the skinny, right? Get to the point. Get to the point. Who else can ramble with techno babble other than Harry? Harry is the one that rambles. Were you impressed with the techno battle there? I was very impressed. You were rattling it off. It was really good.

The three of us standing there. And a different kind of shot up on the bridge to open it up. And then Paris. Then at the end, basically, Harry says, you know, we've been collecting deuterium and our, you know, scanners are full. You know, I may be able to recalibrate things and get, but basically we've got a full tank right now. Yeah. I'm kind of saying I'm not sure if it's completely full or not because of the modification she made and I just need to realign my sensors with sevens.

And then of course you come up with your little, your little line working with seven. You're going to realign your sensors with sevens. Sounds like fun is what you did. Yeah, Paris teases and it was funny. It made me laugh. There's a little ship shake and then we're like, what's that? Yeah. We get these proton surges.

We don't see any ships out there. We don't know what's going on. We're hit with proton parties. vertical charges. We realize ultimately that there's two cloak ships and we're caught in a battle between these two cloaks ships. We're caught in the middle. Yeah, Janeway enters from her ready room and she's asked seven to scan from astrometrics to see what we can do. And seven says, hey, it's two cloaked ships engaged in battle. One ship explodes and we temporarily see the remaining ship for a few seconds and then it recloaks again. Yeah. But then we hear this voice.

We hear a voice. Chacote. Chacote. I need your help. Help me, Obi-Wan. It was a very, you know, very, like,

intimate kind of, like, you knew immediately that. How does she know his name? How does she know his name? And it sounds, it sounds personal. It sounds very personal.

And you could see, as a J.C. Shipper myself. Yes. I could see Janeway's expression when she heard that voice and she looked over. She wasn't happy. She was jealous already.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was on. And then the credits come on. And by the way, I noticed Virginia Madsen's credit, it said special guest appearance by Virginia Madsen. Yeah. When are you talking about that?

Talk about that for a second. Well, well, you know, usually in these credits, you know, the credits are pretty standard. It's either, you know, guest star or it doesn't even have it. It'll just have your name. It's called the opening titles. And so you'll get a single card, which. your name, meaning your name alone on the screen for a second, and then it goes away. And that's usually all that's there. But in this situation, because she had a lot of credits, and she was

a known actress, they gave her a much more highlighted credit there with her name, special guest appearance. So that's unusual. We didn't usually do that. I also find that, at least back in the 90s, that sometimes when agents are negotiating the deal for their client, sometimes, you know, the production company really doesn't have as much money as the agent would want their client to be paid. And so in return, the production company will say, okay, we can't pay her or him what, you know, what you want, but we will give you this extra special title card. And it's kind of like a, you know, it's just a, it's just a way of making an acknowledgement, an acknowledgement that the actor is, is at this extra high level or it has more a veteran status, right? So that, you'll see

that every now and then. So yeah, but at least on Voyager, you don't normally see that at all. No, no, it's very unusual. It's very unusual. Yeah. So we detect a life sign over there. We try to beam her aboard captain says beam her to sick pay, but we can't, we can't beam her over. Harry can't get a lock on her because every time he locks onto her, the lock dissipates. It just stops, which is very strange. Yeah. So Chocote goes over there to try to rescue her and he takes Tuvok in Paris with him. Hey, you actually are, you made the away team finally.

I made the away team. I know after that. Unlike last episode. Yeah. And you weren't even asked to be a field medic on this away team. No, no. I got to be just a regular away team. Regular away team dude.

Yeah. Yeah. So they beam over there, beam onto this ship. And I got to say when we beam onto that ship, it looked good. Like the wreckage and everything, the lighting. You even saw the view screen of that of that alien ship with a bridge. It looked big. The amount of scenes on the ship, which wasn't very much. It felt like they really created a big set. Maybe there were some visual effects involved, but it looked cool. It looked cool. But my only issue was it looked like it had been damaged. for centuries. There wasn't any, there wasn't any current new, like I would have added some sparks. Like, this is recent damage, not damage that has been there. Do you see what I'm saying? Moments ago. It was from the battle. She was just in.

There has to be some smoking embers or something to show that this just happened. But it really looked like this had been on for 10 years that this damage had happened, right? So that's my only. If you think about it, they, I mean, we learn later, they've been chasing her for a while. She's been trying to get away. Maybe a lot of that damage has happened earlier, but I agree with you. It looked like it was a, you know, dead at sea ship that has been out there for months. Because what did we just witness five minutes ago, a firefight between these two, right?

So there has to be some residual damage that you, that would tell the audience, this just happened, right? So that's my only, only criticism of that. Other than that, it looked amazing. But it looked cool. Yeah. Sometimes you go for cool. over logical. At least, I do sometimes when I'm directing.

It's like, you know what? This may not make a logical sense, but it just looks cool. I'm going to go with that. It did. And also I noticed Andy Robinson was shooting this all handheld on this ship, which reminded me that Andy Robinson really liked handheld. He liked the quality and the way that that worked with the actors. Well, so is an actor.

Marvin, our DP, loved handheld as well. And he would grab that camera himself. He would tell the camera. camera operator, net, I'm putting that on my shoulders. So he would do it himself. But they search around and Trucote pretty quickly hears her. She's alive under some debris. And he says, I'm going to get this off of you. And as soon as I lifted up, you know, scoot right out of there, you know, roll right out of there quickly. He's going to do it with his brute strength. And how big is that ship? Because clearly Tom and Tuvok are often in another part of the ship.

Far far, far away. They can't help. So it's like, what? Okay. Yeah. So he, she rolls out. And she's hurt. She's hurt pretty bad.

And he, you know, sees her, goes to her. And she sort of passes out. And they beam right out. He's going to get her back to the ship. I'm going to stop you right there. Yeah. How did they beam her out? I don't know.

That's the thing. They can't lock onto her. How do they beam her? Is it, does it be because if Chocote is touching her, does that mean that the beam, the beam out can happen because he's right next to her touching her? They couldn't get a lock on her before. You can't get a lock on her. It's got to be from him.

Okay. It has to be from him. But that was my quick little like, wait a minute. Yeah, I had that thought, but I was thinking, well, because he's, he's right there with his com badge. They can get a lock on him and he's touching her. I'll buy that.

I'll go. I'll buy that. So we go to sick bay. Yeah. And the doctor's scanning her. and he said the readings won't stay in the database. Yeah, which is again strange disappears. Yeah.

I loved his line. He says, luckily, I'm a master of visual diagnosis. She has a minor concussion and a compound tubular fracture. Luckily, he's a master of visual diagnosis. Yeah. Oh, the doctor. Doctor. He's a know-it-all.

He's a no-it-all just like seven. Seven and a doctor. Totally. He's the computer, know-it-all. So when she regains conscious, and she starts talking she you know you have that image of you see she sees the doctor then he kind of fades out then she sees chakote fades out then she sees janeway and then she pleads to jane way and then she pleads to jane way she asked for asylum now the minute she starts speaking who

did that voice remind you of it reminded me of the actress that was on unity the other chikote falling in love with an alien episode i did not make that connection what i wrote in my notes was she sounds like Jennifer Lean, Kess. Oh, maybe because she had the ears. And yeah, well, no, yes, the ears looked like Ocompaneers, definitely. A little bit like Ocampineers. If you listen to it, soft sort of. Yeah, she has that sort of breathy, resonant voice that Kess has, but, you know,

it's a little bit more mature sounding than Jennifer. But I definitely heard Jennifer Lien's voice. You heard the actress from Unity. because it was another Chacote falling in love with an alien episode and I'm like oh it sounds like the same thing he falls in love with by the way the ears on Virginia Madsen I did a little research after we watched and I guess they had originally thought of another makeup for this alien but when Virginia Madsen was cast yeah like we're not going to cover up Virginia Madsen's face oh so this we're bringing Virginia mats on we want to see Virginia Mads's face so then they decide

Michael Westmore said, well, let's go with the ear thing. You know, we've done a lot of faces recently anyway. Well, yeah, because if you think about it, the last few episodes, they've kind of been on this theme of cover everything up, beauty and nose is the ones. Steph has the multiple nostrils on the top of his forehead, whatever. So they probably were thinking they were in that mode of like, yeah, let's do the complete prosthetic. And then they realized it was the great Virginia Madsen. Yeah, they said, no, we're going to show her face.

by the way there was some shots in the sick bay of her point of view looking up at Janeway and the doctor standing over her and they were sort of upside down it was an angle that is a little artsy for us like we don't normally do those kinds of you know straight POVs looking up with the the actor upside down on the frame and things like that so I thought that was cool for Andy Robinson to do something a little a little different and a little more experimental for agreed yeah but she wants asylum and Janeway tells us to Chiquote to stay and find out how does this woman know you? And again, I felt a little of the J.C. Like Janeway going, Chikote, what's up here? What have you not told me? There's definitely some vibes. Some vibes for sure. Yeah. I do like Janeway's no nonsense hair in this episode. It's become shorter and less quaffed and just sort of just there. It's, it's ready to to do action. You know, it's ready to... She's ready for work.

Jamie leaves. Chikota goes back over to the bed and the doctor gives Chikote an update that, you know, he's healed her broken leg and she just needs to rest and she'll be fine. And it was an awkward moment because the doctor's talking and Chakotay's just staring down. Right.

Her off camera, I was like, and then the doctor sort of pauses, it's like, okay, well, I guess I'll go calibrate some sensors over here. yeah but it was weird i'm like he was staring off camera and then when they finally showed kellen down there her eyes were closed i was like oh thank god that he wasn't just like staring her eyes open thank god her eyes were closed but she's completely conscious right because that's when she goes is he gone yet yeah exactly exactly oh my goodness and then they talk and uh well this

this is the time where she explains yes she explains uh she explains everything to or the beginnings of what um She needs to explain to Chkote happens here. She says the memories of my people cannot be held in the minds of other races or other species, that people will, that they encounter, and it's rare that they encounter other species. But when they do, the other species will remember them for a few hours. But then the memories slowly fade away to the point where a day later, you completely forget that you've come across this species of aliens. And they say, she then tells Chakotay that the,

reason that this is happening is because their bodies produce a type of pheromone which blocks the long-term memory engrams of others. And this basically contributes to the fact that they are impervious to tricorder scans, transporter locks, you name it. They, it doesn't work on them, which, you know, it's a really interesting concept because we haven't really, I haven't really seen this so far, you know, in Star Trek. And I thought, wow, this is amazing. Like, these guys can't even be scanned. You can't even, any information that you get off of them won't even stick in it. They're like a non-stick grease pan, you know, is what it is.

Nothing sticks to it, which is amazing. I thought it was a very cool concept. The idea that some alien could be impervious to all technology. Yeah. She does tell him in the scene, she said about a month ago that she was here and they spent several weeks together, she says. Herein lies the problem. let's do just some simple math here about a month ago that's four weeks ago about four weeks ago and then i spent several weeks here i know so that means you how was that possible later on

in the astrometrics she does say look at the at your at your you know your i forget your navigational logs navigational logs yeah um you know look this proves we were together for a couple of weeks so in that scene so this changes it it's a couple of weeks exactly But anyway, it does seem legit that she, I mean, she seems convinced that they did, you know, know each other. And she says at the end of the scene, she said, I came back because I fell in love with you. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. What the heck?

The shoe drops. What is happening? Yeah. Oh, every J.C. shipper, they just, their heart fell into their stomach. I know. They were like, oh, I don't feel good. Yeah. We go to the briefing room from here.

Chacote explains what she has said. Yes. She comes from Ramura. Ramora. Ramora. And it's a very closed society. And she wants out of that closed society. But Chikote's not sure.

He's very suspicious. He wants to verify her story. And she also told him that there was the computer virus planted on the ship the last time she was here. And that would erase all evidence that she was around. She's a tracer, which is a bounty hunter, a type of bounty hunter. or a type of bounty hunter that tracks down people who try to leave remora

and that she had tracked a runaway remoran that was hiding on Voyager. And Chikote's still very suspicious. So he just says, look, he assigns everybody a job. Go check out this alien story if this is even making any sense.

So off we go to astrometrics. We have seven, Tuvac, and Kellyn, who is Virginia. Virginia Madsen's character, and they are now comparing the navigational logs of Kellan's ship with Voyager's navigational logs. And we do see the graphic that, okay, yep, she did come over. The ship did sort of match course with Voyager and then took off. And she says, there you go. That's proof. And Seven's immediately like, well, you could have falsified the navigational logs.

And Kellan jumps back with, yeah, well, run a diagnostic on my logs. And you'll find that they have not been altered. And of course, both Tuvac and seven are, they're very, you know, they're eyeing her with a sideways glance. They're thinking, well, we will check that, but it just doesn't seem plausible because nobody remembers any of this, right? Commander Chacote's face seemed to flush. Well, Chacote came in while they're doing this. Oh, that's right. And he invites her to the mess hall. And so they head off to the mess hall to get some food and chat up some more. He's going to do some investment. investigating. And then as soon as they leave, yeah, Seven says Chucote blushed when he saw her. Yeah. And

Tuvok's not interested in gossiping. He's like, I didn't notice. I don't care. I'm not going to no, not going to gossip about it. See, that's why Seven and Harry were meant to be together. Because even Seven is starting to do a little gossip action here. And that's Harry's, that's Harry's game. Harry knows everything what's going on the ship. Yeah. Okay. So we go to the mess hall. Yeah. And Neil hands them some food. And he explains all these great delicious. foods that he's prepared. Cairns, pudding, you name it. It's all on that little plate.

Basically, yeah, and basically they sit down to have a meal and she's going to tell Chacote the story. And she says that she was in love with him, but he was in love with her too. So this is new. Yeah, that's news. Yeah. So now it's not just that she met him before. She was in love.

He fell in love too. Right. And she tells the story of what happened that she was on the ship for two days. She was a bounty hunter trying to find, you know, track down a tracer, trying to track down someone who had, who had left their, their homeworld. Homeworld, yeah. But then her cloak malfunction. So we have a flashback scene.

Yeah, we have a flashback. Kellen is hunting for the runaway and it's, her cloak sort of just fritz is off. And that's when the intruder alarm goes off. She's still kind of looking for the runaway. and then Chikote shows up right behind her and he's trained his phaser on her and she turns around. They're going to stand off.

A little John Wu standoff here. And he says, ultimately he said, she tries, she tells him the truth. Yeah. And he says if you drop your weapon and explain what's going on, I'll listen. Right. And I just made a note,

Chikote is such a good listener. He just, he's like, if you just stop pointing your gun at me, I'll listen to you. because i'm a sensitive guy just in that moment i'll listen it's like sensitive they're just they're in love no matter what even when they've got guns would he have said that if it wasn't virginia manson exactly i don't think if this person was steff or someone from a prior i don't i don't think he would have listened okay and we popped back in the mess hall

she's continuing to talk yeah she said that she felt an attraction immediately even when they have their guns pointed, which I saw it too. I'm watching the scene. It was there. Yeah. She asked, did he feel it, did he feel that too? And he says, you know, just skip to the end, skip to the end. Well, he shuts her down. He just shuts her down. He says, you know, I have no memory of meeting you. And I certainly have no memory of feeling anything for you. And that's when she's a little hurt. She gets up off the table and she kind of goes over to the

window and looks out at the stars. And, you know, I mean, to hear someone say, as far as I'm concern it never existed it didn't exist nothing ever happened between us is it's hurtful and i just love that line where he feels a little bad he says look is there anything i can do for you and she says can i have your pudding which was like great i love they're both very flirty in that moment by the star field looking out of the stars yeah can have your pudding yeah and when you know so he he says can i have your pudding and he responds with gladly and when i was watching this maiden Megan was like, oh, is that secret talk for, can I have your pudding? Is that a euphemism?

Is that a euphemistic way of saying that? Yes. But the ship rocks suddenly, and she falls into his arms. Yes. And a moment there, a little moment there. And then it rocks again. She falls again into his arms. Yeah.

Every J.C. shipper was like, no. No. No. Don't do it. Don't fall. But she realizes the tracers have found her. Yes. They've come for her because she's run away.

Now she's the one that's being. chased. So we cut up to the bridge and it appears that there are two cloaked shooters and their shots are going right through our shields. Yeah, we're getting damage. We are getting damage. We can't see them. We can't find them and their weapons are going right through our shields. So we're in trouble. And she offers to modify our deflectors. Yeah. And Janeway agrees and lets her go back to a panel and start modifying our deflectors. Actually, our sensors just to correct you. Sorry. Yeah. Modify our sensors to help us. detect the two close ships yeah while she's doing that uh janeway asked chikote so what do we do

do we give her up to these people that are chasing her or do we fire back and protect her uh chikote ponders for a moment and he says protect her yeah fire back yeah so tuvac is ordered to fire on their weapons systems and boom they run away like roaches when the lights turned on yeah they're like see yeah they're gone you know janeway asks her like we need to decide about this asylum thing, do you really want to stay here? And she says, yes, I want to stay. And she wants access. She offers, if she can have access to the astrometric, astrometric processors, she can make the modifications that helped us in that short battle. She can make those permanent. Right. Janeway agrees. And off Kellen goes to, to modify the astrometric processors,

which are not in astrometrics. They're in engineering for some reasons. And they're not even really in engineering. Yeah, they're in another deck off of engineering. Yeah, we see them walk past engineering or into engineering, but they go into a side hallway. Yeah. Where they have a very intimate conversation. Yes. And Chacote now is getting very flirty and she's very back. And at the end of the scene where they're talking, he's finally starting to come around to maybe

what she's saying is true. And she says, before they head off to do their work, she goes, you know, sometime you might be interested in hearing about our last night together i was like ew you tease you oh my goodness sometimes the this like i i liked a lot of this love story but sometimes it got a little like let me tell you about thing it's just got a little creepy just got a little awkward and creepy i don't know oh my goodness we leave this scene and we go to the mess hall it's it's after hours jacote shows up nilix is there to ask for some tea blend from Neelix and he starts conviding in Neelix as if Neelix is his local bartender and he says, you know, he basically tells Neelis that he doesn't trust her.

And Neelix suggests that, well, maybe it's yourself that you don't trust, your own feelings. Maybe you're projecting. Yes, that you're afraid of. Yes. There's some type of projection going on. Yeah. Who knew Neelix was our local, you know, he's become the counselor in a way. He's our counselor, right?

Our ship's counselor. Okay. We go to Chikote's quarters from here and Kellan's there. She comes in, you know, ding, ding dong. Yep. And she's at his quarters and she can't sleep either. Yeah. And she's come because she really has to know, does he believe her?

Yeah. And, you know, she's not sure. Maybe she should go back if he doesn't believe her. Yeah. She cuts to the chase. She says, if you feel nothing for me, I will leave. And during the end of that speech, that close up on her, yeah.

Megan said to me, look at her face. I was like, yeah. She's like, look, who do you see? And I said, uh, Virginia Madsen. She goes, Jillian Anderson from X-Files. I was like, oh, yes, it is the same face. Very, very interesting thing that she pulled out there. I had no clue. I didn't, did not make that connection to what so, yeah, whatsoever. Yeah. But she does say I'll go back and he thinks about it. And then he says, no, no, don't go. And again, J.C. Shippers died a little bit. Dying a little, this whole episode. Yeah, I was, I was. I'm a J.C. Shipper and I was dying.

So there's a bit of a time jump, right? Yeah, we come back after our break or after commercial back in the day. Come back and they're still there. And the scene starts with them sort of laughing. Yeah, she's eating ice cream. She loves ice cream. I made a note, Garrett, do you remember those scenes where we'd have to start the scene with a group of people laughing and it'd be like, okay, and action.

It's so unnatural. It's so unnatural. And I felt that. I just something about their laugh. I was like, oh, that's one of those like, okay. And action. That is probably one of the most difficult things for an actor to be present and to portray in a realistic light, you know, is to come up with this laughter that's been going on forever. And let's look at the reality of the situation.

Typically, you've just come in from your trailer. there might have been lighting for an hour and a half. You're still groggy from the nap you've taken in your trailer. And then you sit down there like, remember, you guys are having the time of your life. And you're supposed to be laughing. Action. Yeah. Everybody does the awkward laugh.

Oh, so awkward. That's how this scene started. Anyway, she's having ice cream for the first time. Right. She's worried that these tracers are not going to give up. And Chacote then goes, so you said you were going to tell me about our last night together. And she goes, let me show you. And she said that.

I was like, no, I don't want to see it. Well, the funny thing is when he goes, so you're going to tell me about your last life together. As I'm watching it, I jokingly pretended to be her voice and go, let me show you. And then she said that for real. I'm like, oh, my God. She said exactly the line that I came up with. So that made me.

I was so uncomfortable when she said, let me show you. Right. Then she goes over and she says, I was sitting here. You were sitting there when we were drinking something, something bubbly, she said, something with bubbles. He goes, Champagney. Yes. And she said she had caught her fugitive because of his idea. Was it a man?

He was using a magneton sweep to disrupt his polarization cloak, which is very smart of Chiquetay to come up with that. Clever guy. And handsome and romantic. And romantic. Okay. Yeah. In this scene, we then have another flashback to the transporter room, how they tricked Rescot. Now, this guy's name is Rescott, which then reminded me of the pilot episode where you have Kess on the Ocampan home world. Right. And do you remember the scene? Like, basically, it's her and another accompli. And he's using his, his telepathic abilities to sort of speak to her without moving his mouth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she says, Tosk it, stop.

They don't have the ability to speak, you know, whatever. And I was like, wait a minute, that Rescett name sounds so Ocampan. It's so close to Tosket, Raskett. So there's a lot of kind of, you know, parallels. Yeah, a little parallels with the Ocampon race here. So then they use the new Riletic emitter on the runaway to wipe out his, memories of the outside world and then rescuit is is happy to go back home is revealed yeah yeah and we go back into uh chikote's quarters again out of the flashback then he's like well what happened

next and then she awkwardly starts talking her way this is the this is the narration part that makes me like if she had just gotten up and gone over and kissed him yeah but i you know she's like i got up and i walked over here and then i leaned in like this and then i leaned in like this and then I was so close to you and it was like all the narration cut the narration just have her do it see I would film a funny version of that where she's like and then my hair fell into my eyes and I blew I blew it out of my face and then that's what I leaned towards you the detail it was just awkward but anyway they to be honest I was okay I was okay with the detail it didn't bother me but then they kiss that's right the big and then she's like that's what happened and then they kiss again so you know he's all in now

you can you know you know he's there jc shippers are crying at this moment it's unfair how dare this woman you know uh ruin the jc connection i agree i agree this was a very sad moment yeah um so then we cut out to the hallway and chikote and tuvac are walking down and chikote's like you know she's a captain thinks she needs a job she needs something to do she's going to stay on the ship Tuvok says, well, what is she good at? And Chucote says, well, she was a security operative for her people, trained expert in weapons surveillance, great piloting skills. Yeah.

And then Tuvac goes, well, Mr. Neelix could use an assistant in the mess hall. And he's like, that was funny. Tuvok. Tuvok, you may have a sense of humor. Yeah. He's like, don't deny you have a sense of humor. Yeah. It was very funny.

A little Vulcan humor. But then it continues. It continues. The Tupac is like, it's perfectly logical. All the qualities you mentioned would help in defending Nelix against the periodic wrath of the crew. And I was like, oh, my God, Tuvok is hilarious. I know. He needs his own stand-up comedy show after this.

My goodness, he does. I also noticed in this scene, you know, they were walking down the hall and then they stopped. Yeah, they stopped for a minute. And then they walked some more, and then they stop again. And I thought, oh, that's because their hallway set is kind of short. Yeah, they are running out of space. They're running out of a room. That's why they stopped.

Yeah. We jumped to Astormetrics. It's Kim, Seven, and Kellyn. They're devising a strategy to protect against the Romoran proton weapons. And this, what I skipped was, this was the end of the corridor scene where Chukotay and Tuvok are discussing how do we protect against these proton weapons. And so now the suggestion is that Kellan could possibly devise a strategy with Kim and Seven. and Harry is the one. Harry is the Duky-Hauser in this scene where he comes up with the idea

and the trick is to scatter the proton beams just a little bit, make it harder for them to penetrate the shields and that we can do this by tying the Berion sensors into deflector control. So this is Harry's genius idea, which Kellan is like, oh, yeah, that sounds good. And then Harry says, yeah, Chikote said that you should probably join one of the security details. I recommend Beta Squad. They are the best.

And then I started thinking, oh my gosh, this could be the spin-off series of Voyager right here. Star Trek Voyager, Base Squad. Yeah, there you go. I like it. She does mention Chikote and then Kellen leaves. And Seven says, you know,

I think she, her face went flush when you mentioned Chikote. So again, she's noticing, she's noticing these things. Noticing this, but she doesn't understand it. No. And so then Harry explains love, which is, I love this. Courtship, not love. Courtship rituals, yes. He starts explaining about dating and courtship,

and she's just like, why would you, why? This is a waste of time. Why not just procreate? She's like, isn't the outcome the same, whether you have this, you know, this little courtship dance or not? And Mary's like, yeah, it's the same. She's, well, then it's irrelevant.

It's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. It was very funny. It was a very funny scene. The two of you were very funny. Yeah, I liked it. I laughed. I laughed.

Did you chuckle? Did you L-O-L? I did. I laughed out loud. Oh. So next we go to the hallway again. Walking down the hall, Kellen's headed back towards Chikote's quarters, I think.

But stopping and kind of looking. She's sensing something. She's sensing, but it almost, at times, it looked like she was being suspicious. It was like, wait a minute. Are you up to something? You know, I don't know. But she wasn't in the end.

It was that she was sensing something. And as soon as the door opened and she was, she saw the broken vase. Yeah. She's sure that this is a tracer. Yeah. Yeah. Because she leaves her quarters to go to Chikote's quarters.

Oh, that's what it is. Right. Yeah. She saw the broken vase in her quarters. Yeah. And then we jumped to Chikote's quarters. And she's telling him about the broken vase and her feeling she's getting. She's just, she knows they don't give up that they would send somebody here and he's got to be on the ship cloaked.

And then Chikote says, you know what? We'll do the same thing. We'll do the same thing we did to Tosk it. I mean, resk it. And we're going to go ahead. Magneton. Magneton sweep this guy out of here and we'll fix it. And that's when Karneth comes in, appears.

He appears and shoots her with the weird pizza cutter tool. I don't know what that was. Okay. Yeah, the pizza cutter tool was funny, but more funny was why didn't Chikote just tackle Karnet the minute he saw him before he, I mean, draw a weapon. Hello. Yeah.

It took a long time. Long time. It definitely took a long time. Long, long time. Yeah. Yeah, he shoots her with a weird gun. Neurolytic emitter, which looks like a pizza cutter. And she collapses and he basically says she's going to start forgetting everything now.

Yeah. Sad. So we cut to sick bay. And there she is. It's sad. She is forgetting. And she says that you go to it, please don't let me forget. Don't you forget.

If this, when this happens to me, tell me all about us. Like remind me. Promise me that you will tell me why I am. here you know why we are together all this stuff remind me the way that i reminded you is what she says yeah yeah and then she passes out and she passes out now choket with a full head of steam heads right to the brig he's so oh he's so pissed that he actually goes into the brig grabs grabs grabs the guy and he kind of shakes him with no words he just yeah he's like and then he lets him go yeah he's like if you're going to grab somebody do something

with him. Yeah. It's almost like he felt like, you know, your, your uniform is kind of wrinkled. Let me straighten it out for you. Yeah. Okay. And then he let him go. Yeah, I'll let you go.

And then he started talking. And he basically says, you know, you got to reverse this. Yeah. And the guy's like, even if I knew how to do it, I wouldn't. I'm not going to tell you. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's very frustrated and powerless in this Chikote. And ultimately, Chikote says, you know, maybe your society isn't so great if people want to

leave. Yeah. Like, you know, if. if you're forcing people to stay underground or stick with you, then maybe it's not so great. Yeah. And Kernan shoots back with, oh,

so like a couple of people out of a million leaving? Yeah. Is that what you're saying? We're in Kellyn's quarters. Chocote enters into her quarters. Yeah. And she doesn't recognize him. Nope.

She's like, have we met before? Yeah. Who are you? Do I know you? Good job. Virginia Madsen. She's completely blank in this scene.

She does remember about tracers that they're, you know, the tracers were after her, but she's got to go home. Yeah, she said, I have, I must, I must go home. I must return home. And Tukotay tries. He goes, listen, you told me this was going to happen.

And I'm here to remind you of what happened. Yeah, I had forgotten about you. You had fallen, we had fallen in love. You came back. We fell in love again. Yeah. And now. And it's crazy because they switched roles here.

It's like, it's a total switcheroo because now he's, he's really in love and feels the love and feels their story and she has no idea. I do feel, yeah, but I do feel that to. Chakotay didn't honor the promise that she asked of him because she says, she said to him back in sick bay, do everything that I did to remind me of this. So Chikote should have said, and then you sat in the chair. Then I walked over here. And then I had an itch on the back of my neck. And then I itched it and then kissed you. Like he didn't do that. But he did. He just, he just sat. But he does say, he said he couldn't, I couldn't get you out of my mind. And yes, I was in love with you. And I want you to stay now. I want you to stay here. Stay with me. And she's like, no, I'm going to leave.

Yeah. And she does say, I wish we had met under different circumstances. Well, she also says, you are handsome. She remember that part? She's like, you are a handsome person. But I wish we'd met in different circumstances. But when Chacote is leaving, you do see his pain, which I thought, wow, he really played that well. He was hurt.

And he was just like. And then it almost like when she says, she says like when she stops him to say, I wish we'd met in other circumstances, he almost had that look of like, you're coming back to me. Oh, no, you're not. Yeah. Yeah, it was sad. It was a really sad moment for. It was sad. Yeah. We go to the transporter room after this. And Kernith and Kellan are getting ready to leave. Chucote comes in. Yeah. And Kernith says that he has planted a computer virus. Just like before. Just like before. So there won't be any record on the ship of them. And they're, They won't remember any of this. None of the crew will. Yeah. And he says, I wish you both the best. Yeah. And I do love that line that Kellyn has to Chocote.

She says, you're such a kind person, which is what she had said before. And then she says, I won't forget that, which is hilarious because it's true. She said that before. And then she said it now. And she's saying she won't forget that. And that's the one thing that she's not going to forget that he's kind. And Kellyn and Kerneth beam out. And then you see exterior space.

shot of the vessel kind of peeling off away from Voyager. And we have a first officer's personal log, which is very rare. You don't hear Chacote's personal logs that often that he feels that, yeah, maybe it's right that I forget about her, but I don't want to forget about this. And then we, we now see a scene in the mess hall where Chocote is using an old time, old timers pen or pencil, whatever it was. Niels comes over and says, strange to see you using those primitive writing instruments. Yeah. Yeah. He's writing in his journal. I guess the thought process is if he was to put it in a pad that that even just speaking of these people will get erased, it won't stay in the data. Anything in the technology, if they put a virus in the computer.

Oh, that's right. And you need to do it with them. It'll wipe it out is what it is. Yeah. So it has to be written in a journal and that won't disappear. Right. Neelix feels bad. And Chikote asked the question. He goes, why didn't it happen again? Like when I told, her, why didn't, you know, why didn't she remember? And Neelix gives him this advice. He says, you can't analyze love? And I read it? I wrote that whole thing down. Oh, good. Neelick says, it's a great, great line. Neelick says, commander, I don't think you can analyze love. It's the greatest mystery of all. No one knows why it happens or doesn't. Love is a chance, combination of elements. any one thing might be enough to keep it from igniting a mood glance remark and if we could define love

predict it it would probably lose its power awesome writing i love that really really well written i love that the very last shot in this scene this is the last scene in the episode but the very last shot is kind of a wide shot pulling back in the mess hall with with chikote writing in his journal alone And it reminded me when I was shadowing before I started directing Jonathan Frakes, one of his pieces of advice he gave me. He said, always make sure that your very last shot of the episode is a pretty shot for the showrunners to have their names come up over because they'll feel great about themselves and they'll hire you back again.

And that was Frakes. And I've actually passed that advice on to people. I'm like, your very last shot, remember. you know, created by the creator credits come up and the showrunners and you want to have them feel good. So that was one of those shots. I'm like, oh, nicely done, Andrew. This is so crazy. If you think about it. I mean, you were mentored by Franks, right? And then you go off on your own career and you end up hiring Franks. It's like, it's just this sort of amazing sort of like, you know what? You did this for me. Let me help you out now. So I scratch, you scratched my back. Now I'm scratching your back. So it's

just it's so amazing and cool that that happened so yeah and that's the end of the show well good what is your theme do you have a theme for the same i'm trying to think about it right now actually because i'm going to let you go first yeah i have a theme um and it comes off of neelix's last line which is really the theme for me was love is a mystery and figuring it all out would ruin it so yeah accepting the mystery of love that it's magic in a way and you can't you can't if you defined it or analyzed it or fared it all out what adds up to love if you could make it a system yeah then it wouldn't it would ruin it so yeah yeah that's my team that's a good one i'm gonna go i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna say that uh i agree with you on that and and

leave it at that i really like that episode actually and it broke my rule of a good episode it didn't it didn't have everybody kind of deeply involved it was mostly focused on chikote but for the most part but it it had a lot of heart and i think uh i think virginia madsen was great in the episode i think the story had a lot of heart and the rest of us had enough to do that i think it really was good i would give this i would give this a eight out of ten this episode seven seven point five actually i take it back you just correct directed yourself. I'm going to 7.5.

You're going to 7.5 it. I'm going to give it a 7. Just a 7, flat out 7. Okay? All right. That's it. That was really fun. What's next week?

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