The Delta Flyers - Visionary

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Visionary, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Armin Shimerman.Visionary: A mild case of radiation poisoning gives O'Brien the ability to time-shift into the immediate future, where shocking events are revealed.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Nicole Toma, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Tim Neumark, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, Jonathan Capps, & Sean T.Our Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Stephanie Lee, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Chris Garis, Cindy Woodford, Mariette Karr, Jeff Allen, & Tamara EvansAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Shanyn Behn, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Klee Wiggins, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Karen Galleski, Jeremy Conoley-Mayes, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Timothy McMichens, Helen Brownrigg, Nancy Janda, Lindsay Bundy, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Robby Hill, Andrea Wilson, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Daniel Chu, Scott Bowling, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Shawn Battershall, & Natalie SwainThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space 9. Your hosts for today are my fellow Trek actors, Armand Shimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Gerard Wong. hello guys hello hey you know what everybody that's listening if you want bonus material extra stuff join us at patreon dot com forward slash the delta flyers that's patreon dot com forward slash the delta flyers become a patron today and you'll get lots of extra bonus material we'd love to have you part of the community yeah do you need latinum do you need latin yes you have to pay in latinum exactly

speaking of latinum and valuable things how's that valuable production of yours going oh bless you for asking we had her opening night uh and uh it was grand ira bear our executive producer was there last night he had a wonderful time uh the night before and our visitor and michael dorn were there they had a wonderful time i think they're not had a better time than michael but um but they were and the audiences were superb. In fact, we're selling out rapidly. So if anyone is in the Los Angeles area and we run until the middle of March,

if you want to see our production, do call right away. You can, and I'm going to advertise, you can go to www. antis-a-N-T-A-E-U-S dot org and get tickets, but do hurry because this, and I'm not bullying you. The seats are,

selling out quickly. That's wonderful news. By the way, I always thought, I thought about pronouncing your theater company, Anteus, for some reason, because of that A, the tricky A-E-U-S. As we, the mantra that we use is Anteus, come see us, as opposed to Anteus, you have to pay us. Oh, okay. Anteus, come see us. Anteus. You're right. Everyone makes that mistake. That's funny. On my call, actually, Armin, my call that I just had earlier with the admirals and prophets. One of them was at your opening night, actually. So he tried to, you know, he was like, yeah, I saw Armin, but I wasn't able to say anything. I said, oh, well, he should have. I mean, he should have come over, but he else did. So it would have been very nice.

We had a couple, if I may, we had a couple that flew from Connecticut to Los Angeles, not last night, excuse me, not opening night, but the day before opening night. And they had a wonderful time. In fact, the lady who was sitting in the front seat, I think she galvanized the entire audience. Because of her laugh, everybody was laughing for two and a half hours. Wow. Isn't that amazing? If you have one or two people in the audience that get it,

that just lock in and start responding, it definitely cues the rest of the audience to kind of go along for the ride. People think they're alone in the dark. It's not true. It's not true. It's a community. Every theater audience is its own community. And you're seeing something that will never be seen again.

because that that particular performance will never be repeated as opposed to film or TV. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very true. Mm-hmm. So the gentleman that showed up to your opening night, that was Rich, our resident pilot and... Rich Gross. Rich Gross.

A pilot, flying instructor, extraordinaire from Oregon. So he flew down to come see the opening. I'm honored. Thank you. Please thank him for me. Most definitely. All right. We have some birthdays today, actually. Yeah.

We'll start off with Jeremy Connolly Mays on March 14th is your birthday. Happy birthday, Jeremy. Happy birthday, Jeremy. Happy birthday, Jeremy. We also have one of our youngest Delta Flyers, Issela, whose birthday is on March 15th. That's Anna's daughter Isela, who we've seen, you know, born during this podcast. And now it's her birthday. What is she, two, I think?

Two years old. Is Saleh? Happy birthday, Asala, and March 15th. Happy birthday, Asala, but I warn you, it's not a propitious day that you're born on. March 15th is the aides of March. Iads of March. Which is the day that Caesar was stabbed in the forum. Well, she's two, so we're not going to scare her about standing.

So we're just going to say, she won't really understand what it means. She won't understand that. Yeah. I just imagine her going, It too Brutus. Okay, no. So, happy birthday, Issela, March 15th. Happy, happy, happy birthday.

We've got an amazing episode this week. We do. Yes, it is called visionary. And we have some poetry and some linguistics, etymology. I'll start off with my limerick. Please. Or visionary. Here we go.

Miles O'Brien has a bit of a time. The Romulans visit. They're kind of a creep. Miles jumps heroically ahead, but Miles too returns instead. The reality of this switch is really quite deep. Very nice and very true. Very true. Yes, it's very deep. This plot of this episode for sure. It is. All right, here's my haiku for visionary. Romulins arrive. O'Brien keeps time jumping. Secret plan found out. Mm. Very nice. Excellent.

Excellent. Excellent. Thank you. What kind of etymology do we have today? Well, visionary, the title of the episode, is originally from the French, Vigiener. In the OED, the Oxford English Dictionary, it says, able or accustomed to see visions, capable of receiving impressions, or obtaining knowledge by means of visions. Secondary definition is given to fanciful and unpractical views,

having little regard to what is actual or rational, speculative. And a third, a rather unused definition, is disturbed by visions. All three of those definitions, I think, apply to this episode. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. It's a perfect title for this episode.

Yes. Let's talk about who's behind this episode. Yes. Story by Ethan H. Calk. Who? Ethan H. Calk. And the reason why you're saying who is because he sold this story on his very first pitch session to Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Wow. That's not easy.

No, it's not. I tried it once. It didn't work. And I had an end with the writers. Yeah, you were very well connected. The writers knew you personally. They didn't know Ethan from Adam. Literally, this guy walks in.

His very first pitch session was for René, Echavaria. He was the person in charge of that pitch session. And he comes in and bam, the very first one, he's able to sell that, which is. Did he work after that or was it a one-off? No, he said he also, after this, he pitched numerous other ideas before finally land to his second sale. He contributed to the story for the episode, Children of Time, which has not been, we're not. We haven't seen it yet.

No. So, yeah, so he did more than just one episode. But still, it's very impressive for anybody walking off the street to get anything sold. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you know that Star Trek when I was working on Star Trek was the only show that was being done that accepted people that didn't have agents, writer pictures? If you could get an appointment, you didn't need an agent, which is very rare.

Very rare. And I'm very proud of the fact that the writers were open to new pitches. And many of our writers had come from that very thing, that they had approached the next generation and had gotten pitches accepted. I wonder if Star Trek, if back in Gene Roddenberry's day from the very first series, if he realized that the public also, known as fans of the show were a valuable resource that he would get as much inspiration from listening to the fans and people that you know people that watch the show and knew the franchise so he may have kept the doors open just because it's smart it's a smart thing to do he may have you know he had wonderful science fiction writers on the staff of the

original show incredible science fiction writers yeah and and they may have been open as well so So the original pitch, instead of having O'Brien go through the time jumping, Ethan H. Koch had actually pitched Odo to be the character that's jumping through time. Yeah. But then Renee Escheravaria in that pitch session basically said that it was, he changed it because the writers felt that they had done too many Odo stories for that season. So they were like, you know, let's go with somebody else. They went with O'Brien. Cock also had used the Gnossackens as the villains, as opposed to the Romulins.

But then the consensus was, the Gnosicans are more of a fringe species. Let's choose a species that people are more familiar with. And they went with the Romulans. I spoke to Ira about this episode recently. He's very happy with this episode, especially because what they were able to espouse and build up was the incredible friendship and relationship between O'Brien and Dr. Beshear. And you can certainly see it in this episode. In my mind, those two actors do incredibly splendid work in this episode.

I agree. I think this was a really good episode overall. I agree too. You know, problematic with, you know, doppelgangers or, you know, doubles jumping into your regular. you know, it opens up a lot of questions, but very interesting sci-fi premise and really well done. That's because you've got Calamini doing it, and he's incredible. Yeah. Well, the story being by Ethan H. Koch, it was the teleplay that was written by somebody else,

and that was John Shirley. If that name is unfamiliar to the both of you and myself, it's because I don't think John Shirley was a part of the regular writing staff, because according to the interwebs, iris Stephen Bear, asked a friend of his, John Shirley, who, was well-versed in complicated science fiction concepts to write the teleplay. So this is, yeah, this is like Ira calling up his buddy going, hey, you know, you're a huge sci-fi fan. I think you should write the teleplay for this, which again, it's very unheard of and very, am I right, Robbie? Well, I wonder if I want to look back at where this sits in season three. This is episode.

It's a bottle show. We know that much. It's a bit of a bottle show. But in season three, This episode, 18, 19, 20. Where are we? Somewhere in time. We're somewhere in time. Oh, we're in episode 17. So 17 out of 26, 26 this year. 26, wow.

So I wonder if they were just maxed out. If the writing staff had been given assignments already. And at this point, you're three quarters of the way through a, a 26 episode season, and it might have been smart for them to bring in a freelance writer because everybody else was at some stage of their script or breaking the next, if this is 17, you've still got... At 17, they're already thinking about the last episode and what that's going to be about. Yeah, yeah, and they've still got eight more episodes to do.

So, yeah, they're maxed out. So that makes sense that it would be an outside person to me. Okay, got it. Well, there you go. There's a plausible explanation for that. Thank you, Robbie. Directed by Reza Bedei. So Reza comes back again to direct an episode.

We have guest stars, Jack Shearer, who is, I think he's in every Star Trek incarnation. He was the Starfleet human abril dressing me down on Voyager in the episode. Yeah, in the episode where I go back to Earth. Oh, yeah. Mark Kylie, your friend Mark Kylie, is in that one as well, right? So Jack Scherer is the admiral that yells at me, basically. And now he is the main Romulan official that's, you know, the thrust of this episode is Jack Scherer. And you can't, you can't not hear Jack Scher.

You hear his voice. Now that you say that, I remember our show and this actor. Yeah. Yeah, that voice is just so. It comes through the prosthetics. It's very distinctive. I don't care what that guy's got in his face. You're going to know it's Jack Scherer.

I wonder how much theater he's done because it's so. certainly sounds like a theatrical voice. Most definitely. It's projected at the back of the house. We can hear that. We also have Annette Helda as Karina, which would, I'm guessing, be the other Romulan official, the female. Yes. And we have Ray Young as Morca. I think that may be one of the Klingons. I hope so. Yes, I hope so. Bob Miner as Borac and Dennis Madelone as Atul.

So Dennis was another Klingon, is it my guess? Yes, Dennis, yeah. And also, I think Tommy, one of the other stunt people, was also a Klingon as well. Okay. Tom Morga, yeah. I saw Tom. Do you call him Tommy? Is that what you call him?

I call him Tom. We call him Tom Morga. I guess he graduated from Tommy to Tom when a Voyager started. But I'm disappointed that the Klingons didn't get any guest star billing, just the Romulins did. So, I mean, the Klingon should have gotten. They were co-star. only they didn't get guestar you're right well let's dive right in uh we've got o'brien is is lying on the floor right right off the top he wakes up on the floor of the pit in ops but shears is attending to him

he's got some mild radiation poison poison from a plasma conduit that exploded cisco says light duty for you only from now on and kira pops in says the romulan delegation has arrived cisco's got to go talk with him so uh so he had off they go to meet the romulans who are arriving i did feel like this opening scene there's so much great work that uh resa did in this episode but this opening scene was a little flat to me it felt not to me oh no i like the camera angles i like the fact that the camera was on the floor shooting up i really did like that a lot okay why did you think it was flat yeah well i think because he played this in the pit that there wasn't a lot of room to move the camera or get a wide shot or anything so i felt

like coming into the opening, you know, imagine a theatrical production. You know, if you start your play with someone in a tiny light on stage, it feels very small. Whereas if you start the play with the whole world, the lights come up and you see the whole world, it feels a little bigger. It feels like, okay, welcome to the show. This felt a little, to me, like everything was in close-ups and yeah, the low angles look good, looking up at Cisco and Kira.

but it just felt i just want to say that my production of twelfth night starts with a single one little person yeah there you go so thank you very much you're welcome you're rami well as i was using that analogy i'm like that could be a cool way to start a play so it is honestly yes and i think it's a cool way to start the episode too but okay we shakha sungu as they say exactly um gosh yeah so there you go oh brian's had he's had he's been injured, but seems okay. Seems like Bashir's going to take care of him, right? Yes.

We'll go to the promenade next. Security is dragging a drunken Klingon out of, I think, quarks. I don't know, actually. Hard to tell, because that was another, I have to admit at the top of this, I was like very directorially critical because I was like, why didn't you pan? Why didn't you see them dragging the Klingons out of where they were coming from? We didn't see where they came from. They just stepped into frame.

Drag them out and then reveal Cisco and Odo walking. You know, it would have been some nice movement, but it was just kind of a static shot. Klingons popped in. They're drunk. Odo's escorting them. Cisco and Kira cross with Odo. Cisco says, keep an eye on those Klingons to Odo.

It says the Romulans are coming. We don't want any trouble. So already setting up a bit of a. problem you know if they say you don't want trouble you know you're going to get trouble there's going to be trouble exactly exactly yeah I just think a panning shot would have been nice but again I'm kind of directorially critical maybe at the top of this

I lose that very soon because Reza did a great job but yeah yeah I maybe the reason they didn't pan them out of quarks is they didn't want to pay for the extras to fill up quarks for but they used a lot of extras in this episode there's a lot of extras and I'm going wow there's two three people crossing behind the series regulars and I'm going, wow, they didn't really need those, but they paid for that. So good for them. And their makeup artists

because some of them are Bajornes. You know, Armin, we did an interview with Karen Westerfield recently that was so wonderful for our bonus material on the Patreon. She's very funny. So funny. Really great to hear

her stories of doing makeup and, yeah, just all of it, her whole career. Well, she was there every that I was there and sometimes more and sometimes more. I think we go to the airlock next and oh I made a note. So in this next scene they do pan them coming out

of the airlock and meeting you know here come the romulans and we see them exiting the airlock and then it pans over and we see them run into Cisco and well we need Tom out we leave Tom comes out of the airlock but he's not in the master's not in the rest of it

exactly the romulans arrive they are quite rude, I thought, by the way. Well, you know, you're going to say rude. I'm going to say they're all business. That's all they care about. They don't want to play around or have accommodations because that's what Cisco's offering them. We've turned the bed down for you.

We've got some places. There's a mint there for you. Yes. We have a mint. Yeah. We don't care about your spa or your mint. But they do show up at the bar a little later. Yes, they do.

That's true. It's true. But they're here for intelligence about. the dominion, about what's on the other side of the wormhole. Cisco escorts them off. We go to Quarks next. Quark is hanging a dartboard. I guess it's going to stay there.

It does. Introduction of the dart board. Yes. This is the episode in which Miles O'Brien introduces darts to Quarks, a game which will be featured throughout the rest of the series. So the board itself was first shown in the previous episode, profit motive, but now the actual introduction of the game happens in this episode. Quark does not seem very excited about putting this up.

He doesn't understand what's going on and... It doesn't seem profitable. No. No. But kudos to Arm and Shimmerman for finding a way to look awkward and throwing darts. My goodness. I've never seen any human being throw darts that way. Well, I'm not a human being.

Yes, you're not a human being. You're right. I've never seen any species throw dart out of it. Yeah, Miles says, go ahead, throw. And you've got all the darts in your hand. You sort of look at them and you're like, okay. And tossed a whole pile. And I'm sure that was in the script.

So kudos to the writers for suggesting it. It was funny. We did get a shot of Morn with a couple of darts in his jacket, which I thought was funny because Cork says, you know, what is Cork's line? He says something like, what if that got in his eye? Got in his eye. Do you know how much an eye cost? How much an eye cost?

Yeah. And I was thinking, do you know how much that Morn jacket cost wardrobe to build? They just put holes in it. They didn't even give Mark who plays Morn. They didn't even give him a line to say, hey, or something, you know. No, I know. stare passively. For a guy who's supposed to talk all the time, you would think he would have said something. Well, if you listen carefully, there is a reaction from Morn like a grunt, okay?

Which he probably didn't do. Probably not, no. But the other thing I have a problem with in this scene, it's a cute scene, but when you throw the darts, Armand, you have two. There's two darts, okay? And as you throw them, both of them get stuck in Morn's wardrobe. But if you if you listen to when you, when the angle is on you, when the foot, when you're being filmed, you throw it and you hear, ugh, like that, and you hear one stick and one fall to the ground. You hear the foley is clunk, clunk, clunk, like it hits the ground. But then you get, then you have the reverse on Morn and both the darts are sticking in him. So the other one should not have hit the ground.

Good catch. Good catch. Excellent. Thank you. I'll go back and reshoot it. Okay. Perfect. Miles O'Brien goes to show him how to.

throw a dart at this point and by the way i did notice that column had great technique with the dart like in his hand it looked like column has played some darts in his life i think he's been in a bar or two yeah or a pub with a dart board yeah yeah the way it just came back it just it was yeah it's like when you see an actor you know smoking a cigarette in a movie or something or and you can tell if they're real smokers or not the way they're immediately you know kind of awkwardly or yeah it's an extension of their body. That's how it felt with the dart. It was great. Extension of his body. Yes, it was. I agree. A little white flash takes us into our first time jump. O'Brien is now suddenly up on the promenade upper level. And he finishes the throw on the upper level, but he looks around and he's just

jumped to a new place. Yeah. We'll learn as to time jump. And they do a shot, a pull, a push-pull shot here. It's a Hitchcock kind of shot where the background kind of warps, which I thought was very cool. It was a great way to introduce this. And he looks across the promenade, sees himself talking to Quark on the other side. They're talking about how the Klingons broke the holodeck, and then Quark goes back inside. Quark says, well, did you ever say no to a Klingon besides they're paying me double? He heads back inside.

And then O'Brien looks over, Miles looks over, Miles sees the other Miles, Miles two. And so does Quark, by the way, Quark sees the other O'Brien as well. That's what I was going to say. No, in this one? He says the line is, I see you've got other problems. I'll leave you alone. That's in the second time it happens. This is a quibble I've got.

In this first time, Quark says, did you ever say no to a Klingon? Besides, they're paying me double. Goes inside. Yeah. Doesn't see Miles. Correct. And in the second time he pops out, Quark sees him. Right.

And that's when he says, you've got bigger problems. Yeah. Which sort of confused me because I'm like, if you're jumping time, then wouldn't the same exact thing happened that you saw when you jumped it last time? You would think. Yeah, I'm, you know, they should have probably told me to clock that there was another O'Brien there.

Right. Of course, when we were shooting it, there wasn't. But they should have asked me to clock that. And I guess they didn't, they didn't think it through. I think that this is a little, I guess the rules of time jumping. I don't know what the rule is, I guess. Yeah, that's my only quibble with this episode is I don't, I didn't understand some of the rules that they laid down. I went, that doesn't follow.

It doesn't follow. But I just, I like this episode a lot. That's my only quibble with, with this episode. But Robbie, what you're, what you're, let me get this straight. You're saying in your mind, it should have matched every time. There should have been the awareness of Cork to see O'Brien number two and say, oh, you've got more problems. in this one, even the introductory time, right? Or either that, it should have matched in the first time,

what happens in the second time, or in the second time, it should have matched exactly what happens in this time. Which is he doesn't, he's not aware of him. It doesn't seem, but they were a little different, which kind of confused me. But in the second time, because I was like, and the extras didn't clock it either in either scene.

Right. They did not. No one did. I mean, nobody clocked it because, as I said, when we're shooting it, there's not two O'Brien's. If they're going to do that, it's not just, it's not just the main cast scene to, but everyone should have. Everyone should have. Yeah. Okay. They have a moment the first time where we're at right now, they see each other, and then we flash back and O'Brien hits a bull's eye back in quarks, but he looks around

disoriented and then sort of faints. So what's that, that tells us basically only a millisecond has passed when he jumps. Am I right? Because it starts when he's aiming and throwing and then he goes at the promenade and then he comes back. Yeah, he comes back. He sees himself and he comes back into the reality of the dart game and the dart lands on the board to end that scene. Is that right? So it's like, done. Now, I don't remember, so I'm going to ask the two of you, when you're shooting that sort of thing, do you just do continuous of the one scene that is broken? You know what I'm saying? The dartboard, do you just continue on so you don't have to make any continuity adjustments?

Or do you stop, look where everybody is at that second, and then reform that when you come back. I would probably easier just shoot it all the way through. Yeah, shoot it through. I think that's usually how it's done. Unless you jump back in time and something has changed, if you're going back to the same moment, it should just play through. Miles has fainted He's down on the ground We go to the credits

We come back He's now in the infirmary Bashir's checking him out Bashir basically says Oh it was a muscle spasm That's why you Darts are very Darts can be very dangerous

It was just a muscle spasm One of the things that I found interesting That we'll play all through this episode Is the lighting I found the lighting It's the first time I'm really noticing

There's a great deal of light On O'Brien and less light on Bashir. Sometimes, and it's not, that's not just the only time. Sometimes, especially when you went from two shots or three shots to singles, the light was brighter on the faces. But if you went back and look, the light is very bright on O'Brien through most of this episode.

Wow. It isn't always that way on the others. On the other actors. Interesting. I wonder what that was the intention of that. I don't know. to say this is our hero and therefore he's more lit

um i don't know but but and sometimes there was just shadows on people's faces and i went i don't remember there being shadows on people's that many shadows yeah so reza had a conversation with the dp and said hey this is what i'm looking for and that's what i did maybe i mean yeah i mean in the 40s movies you had special lighting for the actresses and the stars yes the glamour lighting yeah and and they look great My fellow actors are beautiful people

But in this episode They all look terrific Yeah Yeah, this episode looked great I think Resid did a great job The lighting's great Even with my quibbles Again, I'll say it

I really enjoyed this episode Well, thank you for bringing that out, Warman Because now I want to message Jonathan West and ask him Like please Can you rewind your memory banks Back to when you were doing this episode? If he looks at it

You'll see it It's brighter on a bronch Brian and Bashir standing next to each other. Yeah, O'Brien is in more light than the Shears. Like, he totally pops compared to Bashir, right? Bashir's kind of just in the background. Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of light sometimes, but O'Brien's popping. Okay.

Wow. All right. Well, he's in the infirmary. Bejure says it was just a muscle spasm. Bashir doesn't think this is a big deal. Yeah. Who knew you had to stretch and pull and just kind of get ready to play darts? I didn't know if you had to warm up.

You got to warm up for darts. You can hurt yourself. But Miles says, no, he jumped in time. It just felt so real what happened to him. But Bashir just does not seem worried at this point. And there's a little banter. Again, I want to go back to something that I ever told me the other day. Is this a great deal of warmth and friendliness and banter and friendship between this two?

It's not stressed in this episode, but there's a lot of it. It's a lot of really good. You're understanding these guys are really friends. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, well, even when Bashir's teasing him a bit about his fantasy life, he's like, you know, if your hallucinations are about quarks maintenance problems, that's a very poor fantasy life you've got. So, yeah, there's a nice banter between them, a warmth and teasing and friendliness that's really nice to see. Yeah.

This wardroom speech, we open up, I just have to say, boy, does Ruan have a lot of questions in this opening speech? It was like, we're here, you know, to protect. to get information about the military capability, how many ships do they have? Where are they deployed? What are their plans for the future? Are they planning an attack? He just goes on. It's very opening line. I was like, whoa, whoa, pump the

brakes, buddy. It's a lot of questions to start with. But they have a very tense conversation. They focus in on Odo, which I thought was interesting. Well, they thought immediately that Odo would have all the answers. It's like, okay, he's a changeling, just like the founders. They're all changeling, so Odo clearly knows the plans

of the founders. He's like, no. he's never been well he's met them but he doesn't know them he's separate from them he's separate but as the as the years go by we learn that there's a connection between all the the changelings that there's a mind meld if we can call it that um that they that they now odo may not be a part of that but the others do seem to have an affinity uh an awareness of each other so he's not tuned in as yet but but he could be and and maybe that's what ruonist is indicating is wondering about yeah right well Cisco uh is very defensive of and kira are very defensive of odo they're like he has no loyalties to these founders um they don't seem convinced uh they want they want their

information they made a deal for the cloaking device and they want to get the information that was promised them and it's a very good negotiation yeah i mean they make a point we gave you the cloaking device you have to give us what you know what you promised yeah i went yeah that makes perfect sense yeah and cisco agrees with him he's like well i'll have to ask starfleet but you're right you know you should get everything that that you're entitled to so tense but feels like you know it's going to all work out we go to the promenade on the upper level this time Quark stops Miles O'Brien about the Hall Suite. So it's kind of back to that jump.

Miles starts to answer, but then he realizes he's in that same moment. But in reverse now, he's now living the future. And he looks over and sees Miles 2 or the other Miles over across where he was. In my notes, too, Miles 1 and Miles 2. Well, that's the difference then, Robbie, right? that is the difference because he knows now and that's why he looks over and that's why quark looks over this time but not the prior time that's the change because that's the change he knows that he he's already experienced this moment am I right that's true yeah that's what changes it that does track

and oh because he has told him it's it's all in his imagination but now he looks over and he goes no no and not only is it not in his imagination but my character also sees them it makes a comment as to yeah you got a problem but cork sees them because Because of O'Brien turning his face towards that side. Am I right? That's what changes the timeline. That changes it. Okay.

Well, now it's explaining itself for us. It does make, it makes more sense. That explains it. Quark season two says the holodex can wait. He leaves. And we go to the commander's office next. Dax is there talking about a temporal disturbance that happens each time Miles O'Brien has this time jump experience.

And we learned that he went into the future. and just returns to the same moment that he was just in. So we've seen that. She's starting to explain it, list her theories, when suddenly Miles jumps, flashes into a bar fight in quarks. And there's two miles in here. Now, Miles 1 and Miles 2.

Miles 2 gets knocked down. Miles 1 kicks a Klingon's buddy. He kind of disarms this Klingon that's got a knife. And Miles 2 says, look out, just as a chair starts to fly, and we snap back right back to Dax. But before you do, you also see in the background, the Romulins are sitting at a table, of course. Oh, I didn't cast down.

Yeah. But that would make sense. I just want to rewind a little bit back to when Miles 1 sees Miles 2 and when Cork finally, you know, for the first time sees Miles 2. I just find that it's so funny that because we're a sci-fi show, like if this was not a sci-fi show, If one character saw a duplicate of another character across the way, they'd be flipping out. But because we're sci-fi, because this is Star Trek, Cork's response is like, it looks like you have bigger problems.

And he just leaves. He doesn't go like, look is another bio. You've got a mirror universe guy over there. Well, good luck with that. Yeah, good luck with that. That happens all the time. Bye. I have a bar to tend.

To me, that's just, you know, I laugh at that because it's sci-fi. You're absolutely right. Am I right? Yeah. Like if you were playing principal, you know, any of the role that you've done that not as an alien, as a human being, you would be shocked to see your compatriot being duplicated half a block away, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.

Okay. That's all. That's funny. Well, when Miles flashes out of this fight, fantasy, or it's not a fantasy, but time jump, the fight time jump, he comes back to Dax to the, to the, where were they, the commander's office? yes they're in uh ops they're in ops they're in ops he pops back there she she's just finishing her theories and then he faints so i guess her theories are very powerful they just make people faint dax makes people faint yes well we we know from the very first scene that he's been infected with radiation poison yes that's right that's right there's some understanding for

his fainting yeah we haven't been told how the radiation is affecting him but but the time jump certainly is affecting him, but perhaps also the radiation poisoning is affecting, as we'll find out later on. I don't know if either of you found that comical, but every time he fainted, it made me laugh. I don't even know why. Oh, really? Yeah, just the way O'Brien, just the way Colum decided to fall over made me, I just was very invested in this episode, and I just laughed at a lot of things.

But I was also entertained at the same time. I'm not being critical. I'm just bringing it up. It was humorous to me. Yeah, he faints good. He does, actually. He's a good fainter. Yeah.

Well, when you faint, you go back to the infirmary, and that's where we are. Bashir is working on him again, but now Bashir says, well, there's some minor nerve damage happening. And if this keeps happening, this is going to be bad. This damage is going to get worse. They talk about Dax's working on it. But Miles, you know, he's confident still, pretty confident that he's going to, that everybody's going to take care of him.

Dax and Bashir, they're all working on it. So he doesn't seem worried. Right. It's a hallmark of Cullum's acting, and one of the pluses, I'm not denigrating him at all, but that very little really affects O'Brien, as opposed to my character, everything affects my character. But I love the subtlety of Cullum's acting. I was blown away by his acting in this episode. Yeah, he was very good.

Instead of being overacting, he just subtly takes it in. accepts it and and i kind of loved that yeah yeah it's very good um cisco's a little worried though about this time jump with the bar fight between clingons and romulans and all that because this sounds like something that could happen so cisco is worried about this you know this makes sense so he says keep the romulans away from quarks we'll try to prevent this you know from happening and that's when Kira enters and she wants to talk to Cisco so we cut outside to the promenade there's a bit of a walk-and-talk I like this this was like long lens walk-and-talk and then some coverage and then another walk-and-talk with a long lens which is a very flattering you know kind of focal length I

think for that promenade it just makes it look busy and filled with life and again a lot of background people for a bottle show there was a lot of background people yes looked it looked great well Kira's walking with Cisco, she says she can't believe that now the Romulans want unlimited access to all their censor records, their personal logs from everyone that was on the Defiant. So she's not happy about this. I think it's too much. Funny as part at the very end of the episode where Cisco says, and Major, when you're in with the Romulans, try to be diplomatic. And Kira says, I'm always diplomatic.

And we flash to the next scene where she's not diplomatic at all. No, she's not. but you know i have to ask you guys a question and it's uh because i really don't remember just the defiant belong to starfleet or to yes yes belongs to starfleet yeah because so so kira's being upset about the defiant and the logs is really out of her purview isn't it because she's not starfleet because she's pejorin okay yes i mean she's the she's a liaison of course and it has a lot of power on the station, absolutely. The second in command, one would say.

But defiant is not her responsibility. Yeah, I would say, that makes sense with Kira and the Defiant specifically. I felt like what she was responding to was more like, they want our personal logs. Yeah, that I understand. Which kind of carries over into this scene about when they're talking to her about Odo, that she's more about, wait, they're really overstepping here. they're wanting things that they don't have the right to right so and in this next scene something occurs that i just brought this up now for that next scene okay yeah but also i mean i was going to say when you you know when you think about it she is the second and she is really

the first officer for cisco correct so cisco going back to starfleet in that one episode he leaves the station to go pick up the defiant he brings it back to ds9 so i almost feel like she's She feels like this sense of possessiveness because she is the first officer. She's like, it's ours too, even though she isn't Starfleet per se. You know, maybe that's working into this. I totally agree. But I'm holding off my comments until the next scene. We'll get to it.

We will get to it. Well, in the next scene, when she's very not diplomatic, they accuse her personally, on a personal level of abandoning the defiant prematurely, which she takes very big offense to. I also liked in the opening of this that the camera was sort of moving behind the heads and moving around. And a long shot across two light, two desks that have lights in them.

And I thought, wow, that's interesting shot. Instead of focusing on the actors, we get the sense of how long the room is. Yes. Because we see the two lights. And there again, she's in the dark in the long shot. Really, she's in a shadow. Yeah.

And then the moment we get a close-up, bright light, bright light. And I go, when did she move or did the lights just go back on? The lights just went back on. Well, they accuse her of abandoning the defiant. They accuse her, they start accusing her of a relationship with Odo, asking her very personal questions about Odo. They push it so far that she, they say, you know, have you had a physical relationship? Is he interested in you personally and more than a friend? They just push it.

And she gets up. She loses it. She says she's done. If they ask another Odo question that they will end up floating home in space outside the bulkhead walls or something. That's a threat. She's threatening them. Okay. And I suggest you avoid asking Odo those questions or you might or you just might find

yourselves on the other side of that bulkhead floating home. So she's saying that Odo's going to, if you. asked Odo those questions, he's going to throw you into space? Or she's saying if you go ahead and ask him more of those questions I hear about it, I'm going to be the one throwing you into space. Oh, I thought she was the one throwing. Okay. That's what I thought. I translated that. Okay. Yeah. I'll buy that. So here's my quam that I set up before. Yes. She says, oh, when she gets really upset, you can take your cloaking device. You can take that back and you know and i thought you have no right to offer them i don't think she does she's

overstepping no matter if she's second command or not yeah it's a starfleet thing that they negotiated yes yes you're right yes yes well she's taking it upon herself to say that this is also part of her existence as well clearly she's very sensitive she is very sensitive she's very sensitive We go back to quarks. We've got some more darts with Bashir and Miles O'Brien. Julian's very tired of playing. They've played a lot. 10th game, I think.

10th game in a row. Yeah. And Miles O'Brien, he wants to keep trying because he's trying to see when the fight happens. Oh, that's right. And he says, all of this just feels too familiar. And just then, some drunken Clingons pass with Quark. Miles grabs quark. He says,

Quark, you promise not to let these Klingons in here. Quark says, well, they're paying me triple now. Also, I promise not to let you them in here, but they weren't in here. They were in the Hollisweet. That's right. In the Hollisweet, technically, they were in the hall of them. O'Brien says, Quark promised not to let them in the bar. That's the exact line.

And he says, no, they weren't in the bar. They were in the hallisweets. Yeah, right. You didn't break any promises. But the Klingons do surround a table of Romulans basically say. They should get out of here. Uh-oh, we know there's going to be trouble. Yeah, because Tom is sitting there and you know there's going to be a fight.

When there's a stuntman in prosthetics, you know there's going to be a fight. That's true. That's very true. You see Tom, Morga, or danger, something's going to happen. Yeah. Danger's there. There's something's going to happen. We have a quick little scene in security after that moment where Kira fills out on the questioning.

She says, you know, it's crazy that they think you were interested. interested in me and he says oh yeah yeah of course that's crazy so a nice little moment i am so impressed that this happens in the third season that all of this back and forth about their relationship when i know where it's going and how long it takes to get it oh wow okay don't spoil it but we hear you okay i do too i mean even whenever it happens i love that they're tracking this so yeah in such a little nuance. It's great. But just then after the, yeah, it's totally ridiculous moment. Quark calls. There's a fight in Quarks. We cut back to quarks, deja vu. It's the same fight we saw before. There's two miles. They smile at each other. Just when the chair thing happens, which is where we

left the fight the first time. Correct. We cut out to a corner and suddenly there's another O'Brien. I don't know if this is miles one, miles two, or miles three. I have no idea. But we flashed to this hallway and this miles gets zapped he's opening a panel or something and this beam like a phaser beam comes shooting out okay can we just construct the flow chart here so miles one is in the bar fight seeing miles two fighting against the clingons yes and then at some point when the chair flies and miles one ducks and the chair goes over his head miles one immediately is transported to the corridor to see Miles 3 getting zapped and dying from the zap. Is that right?

I think so. No, no, I would disagree with that. Okay. I would say that it's Miles 1 that's being zapped by the panel. Miles 1 is being zapped. Yeah, it's just a different time. It's just, whilst 1 has progressed in time, and now he's at the panel and checking this thing out, and then Miles 2 sees it from afar.

That's the way I saw it anyway. I don't know. And time story, time jump stories break my brain. They're fun, they're cool, they're inventive, but they are difficult to wrap your head around. Yeah, if you look at him too closely, there's a lot of. You could get a headache. Yes, you get a headache. But they do, he sees the miles that appeared in the hallway to see himself get killed by this beam of energy goes over, checks his pulse.

He's dead. So basically, this is the part of the time jump. story where we know uh-oh miles in the future at some point is going to die right that's where we're headed right and again kudos to cullum um for very very subtle about facing his own death it registers it's very much registered but he doesn't overdo it he's it's very subtle and very nice yeah and good choice on the writer's part to not stay with odo as the main character and the initial pitch session and move it to miles because he did again column did such a great job yeah absolutely well on the on the topic of what you're talking about

there arm and in the next scene in the infirmary miles sits up suddenly flashes in the infirmary flashes to i guess miles one now sitting up and it reveals bashear that we're in the infirmary which i thought was very cool actually it was a great shot for reza to to start down on the on the bed and see miles as he wakes up come up and reveal bashear bishar says you collapsed outside quarks about an hour ago but you're going to be fine and very subtly column delivers the line no i'm not going to be fine in a few hours i'm going to be dead and it reminds me i was talking with alan tudic about this recently alan was saying you know when it when a character has the line i am you know uh they cheated me

they robbed me they did this and i'm so angry about it. He said, when you get to the part where the character becomes aware, that's not where you let the anger out. He said, the lesson is, you know, they cheated me. They robbed me. They did all these things. It's almost to yourself. That release of emotion, whereas I would say a less sophisticated actor might go, I'm so angry and scream it, you know. And that's what O'Brien, that's what Colum did in this scene. Less is more. In a few hours, I'm going to be dead. Yeah. It was very simple. It was so beautifully done. Yeah. Yeah. Great. The kiss principle, right?

Keep it simple, stupid. Keep it simple. Especially when it comes to these big ideas, if like death, mortality or a strong feeling. You don't have to put the feeling on top of the words about the feeling. It's already in the words. It's in the script. Yeah.

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Odo decides he's going to check it. I thought this was a little extra dramatic for me. Please, stay over there. I will check it. Well, yeah. So I'm watching this going, okay, so Odo, so you're not? going to be in danger yourself? You're going to be the one. He stands out of, he stands out of

Holmes. I agree with you, but he stands he stands and lifts it up and scans it, but it took a while. I wish there had been a tighter shot so they could have picked up the pace editorially because it took a while. It did. But I assume that they could call in, you know, when they call in the bomb squad and they have

all that stuff covering themselves, maybe there's a Starfleet group that has a bunch of armor that comes in and, you know, can take care of that, but they didn't do that. If they could have afforded it, they would have put him in. Yes. He could have morphed into that. That's true.

Yes. But after he checks it very dramatically and takes quite a while for him to get through it. Yeah. He says it's safe. Cisco thinks this is based, well, thinks that based on the other time jumps, that Miles has about five hours until the next one. And they decided to place a surveillance device there to see if anybody brings a booby trap to plant this phaser booby trap. You know what I was thinking? instead of a surveillance device,

Odo could have turned into the panel himself. He could have been the panel. True. You see what I'm saying? He would have been the surveillance device if you wanted to. Well, the other thing I was thinking is back in 1995

or whenever this was filmed, we didn't know about Nest cameras or all of these home security devices. Like now, I've got literally a dozen cameras around my house that I could look at on my phone. Yeah. You know, I would think

that Starfleet would have something similar. in the future. But we didn't really know about that. Right. Right. They actually, Cisco has to say, oh, let's get one of those fancy surveillance devices and put it here, you know, it seems like a big deal, whereas nowadays that would not be a big deal. No.

We go to ops, Dax. Now we're starting to get into an explanation of this. Low-level tetraeon emissions might have caused this. She says that a singularity can cause temporal displacement, but there's no singularity nearby. and Bashir talks about well maybe he can remove these Delta series isotopes that Miles got from this radiation thing

when the panel breached and he got these isotopes in his body if Bashir can flush them out that'll prevent this from happening again but he says it's going to take some time and that's when Kira arrives and says she mentions to Cisco hey I move the Romulans right

to some new quarters And Cisco's like, wait, what? That's right by the panel where Miles was hurt. And then Cisco's decision is, let's see how this plays out. This bothered me. He does this a couple of times in this episode. He's like, yeah, you know what? We moved him right by the booby trap that kills our good friend.

But let's see how it plays out. Let's not do anything. We don't want to warn anybody that we're on to them. No. You know, O'Brien's life is of no consequence to me. We're not going to be proactive at all. We're going to let it come to us. When it happens, it happens.

I'm sure we'll be able to deal with it once, you know, it happens. I'm not worried. Rob Mullins will be fine. No one's going to open that panel, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. He does this again, though. He does it more than once in this episode. And I'm like, well, it seems out of character for Cisco.

And anyway, we go to security office. Otto says there's the class three surveillance device behind the panel that he found this class three surveillance. device behind the panel that it was beamed in somehow. And Odo says, you know, this is weird because there's no booby trap there. It's a surveillance device. So this doesn't match up with what they were expecting. And Odo says he'll investigate the Klingons, the Romulans, everyone else.

And he mentions Quark. And Cisco goes, well, you really think Quark could have something to do with this? Odo says, I always investigate Quark. I find a funny runner. Even when you're not in the room, they're talking about you. Yeah. But I already thought that Cork and the Ferengis have gotten more respect by this episode in certain prior episodes. Not for Modo.

It seems like Bashir and especially Cisco is a more appreciative of Frangis. Yes, but then, you know, you invite a snake into your house. It's still a snake. Fine. Fine. All right. Well, I fell bad for a cork, though. Thank you.

I did, too. I did, come on. They're taking a shot at him even when he's not in the room. You know, stop beating a dead horse. It's already done. We already know you're not, you know, you're wary of Frengeys. But I thought that the Frengees had redeemed themselves by this point. But clearly no.

No. Okay. Took seven years. Actually, probably took eight years. It took eight years. The year after the show was done. Then the respect came. All right.

We go to Quarks again. Bashir says, O'Brien cheated death. That looks like he's made it past this moment that he saw himself get killed. Right. And Miles says it was just terrifying. to not feel a pulse, like that experience of seeing himself dead clearly affected him. And this is where Quark brings some drinks over. Ask Miles if he goes to the future again, you know, can you look at the Dabo numbers and

I'll make it worth your while? I did like your lint removal when you're trying to harm him and you're, you're just cleaning off his shoulder. It was a very nice touch. I like it. Thank you. That's good. So O'Brien's going to, it looks like he cheated death.

So we think we're beyond the problem, sort of. We think. We think, exactly. As they're leaving suddenly, there's a flash and he's in the infirmary. He sees himself, he lifts up the sheet. There's a body on the table, lifts up a sheet, sees himself dead, puts the sheet back down. Bashir enters. Very happy to see him.

so it's very confusing this time-jumming thing I don't know which Bashir we're looking at Bashir 2 Bashir 3 anyway Bashir this Bashir is very happy he says when you go back to the past ask me to perform a basilar arterial scan it's very important that Bashir says I didn't realize that it was that until it was too late yeah and there's a little moment here where Miles was like wait you gave up on me he's like no I didn't give up I try for an hour, but... I just didn't check the right stuff, so... I just didn't know that the basilar arterial scan was the thing.

So tell me. Go back and tell me. Nice scene. We go back to the promenade upper level. This is where O'Brien collapses again. Bashir calls the infirmary. And then we jump to the guest quarters where Odo is showing Cisco a replicator. He's traced to the transport to this panel from this room.

A vacant room, right? A vacant room, yeah. Been vacant for weeks. Odo pulls off the panel, though. They see from a distance, Cisco can just look at the replicator and he can say, oh, I see what they did. What does he say, Cisco? Cisco has a line where he talks about, oh, I see, they altered the, you know, the transporter module. Oh, you mean when he says, he goes, what do they do?

Bring in a portable transporter and beam the surveillance equipment to the bulkhead, that line? Maybe it's not. I don't know. There was something in there where I was like, Cisco seems very ahead of this explanation, this complicated explanation. But, yeah, it was basically the replicator got altered by somebody. So, okay, so the science behind this is replicators are, they only work on the molecular level, okay? That's what a replicator does. A transporter works on the quantum level. So in essence, the replicator has to be sort of retrofitted in order to become a transporter pad, to make it a quantum level device. So that's what the, oh, that's what all that stuff inside there was to change that replicator into a transporter pad. And Odo explains all of, yes, thank you. You're welcome.

Otto explains all of this in a very long story. Doesn't Cisco say, Odo, cut to the chase. Yes. Yeah, he does. It's like, Otos got this long, complicated story. And basically three Klingons are on the station They're part of a covert strike force That reports directly to the High Council And Cisco's like, why didn't you just say that? I was like, well, sometimes I have to remind you Just how good I am

There's a comic touch in this episode That helps with the more seriousness of the story Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree There's some great character moments for sure So yeah, they're trying to spy on the The Klingons are trying to spy on the Romulans, they think, and Odo can lock up these three Klingons that are on the ship and question them until the Romulans leave.

So that's basically how we leave this scene. We go to the infirmary. Miles wakes up. He tells Bashir to do this basilar scan, this arterial scan. Again, a cleverness. Who told you that? You did. Yes.

In the future. Who am I to argue with myself? Exactly. Short scene, but very clever. It is. but again the relationship between the two guys it's it's very easy it's not just the story it's this this character relationship that's being built up as well yeah we throw some clingons into a cell otto does we don't do it but otto locks them up and they're very belligerent at first and then

otto decides to reveal well you know cling on intelligence doesn't like to be embarrassed i'd hate to call them and fill them in on you getting caught basically okay so one of of these guys is danger, correct? Yes, danger is one of them. Which one is he? I don't even, I don't even, I didn't even, usually I recognize him in every prosthetic. Danger is one of them. Yeah, absolutely. For everyone who doesn't know, danger is our fight choreographer. He's a stunt coordinator and was on both sets and is a dear man and didn't, you know, either did the stunts. Usually he didn't do the stunts, but he got people to do them for him. But whenever there's a cling on makeup and you need a stunt man danger's usually the one that is there yeah but usually when i see

dennis madeline you can tell us then i know it's him immediately but this time i didn't even know that he was in the sea okay well there was the main guy morca was the older dude right he's an older gentleman with the bigger forehead taller bigger bigger yeah the bigger forehead cling on yeah and then two guys sitting back on the bench or something he was one of the benchers yeah yeah okay got it Venture Madelone. Enter Madelone. Okay. We go to ops next.

O'Brien is there. Bashir got most of it out. So Miles, he just keeps like cheating death here. He's like... He's like a cat. He keeps coming close. He's like a cat. Bashir says he got most of it. And just one more treatment.

He has to wait an hour, but one more treatment. And Miles is going to be cleared of all of this. No more time jump. Right. And then Dak says she made. have found the singularity that's causing all this. And as they start to talk about this Dax information, another frickin' flash. Jumping all over the place.

Jumping to a roundabout next. Or roundabout. A runabout. Or a roundabout. A runabout's a very different thing. Than a runabout. Runabout. People are abandoning ship here.

I like this scene. The chaos and the energy of the scene was great. And tons of the background. Tons of background. I just realized if they took a runabout and named it the roundabout, you would have to say, this is the runabout, roundabout. That's how you would have to say, you know, I wish they had done that. Yes, that would be good.

On lower decks, they could do that. Lower decks, they should have did that, yes. Miles 1 is there, though, with this abandon ship situation. And he asked Miles 2, who's operating a panel, you know, what happened. Miles 2 says some kind of explosion. I just, I don't know what happened, but you've got to go back and stop it. And as they're taking off and flying away, Miles 1 looks back, and the station explodes. Yeah, great graphic.

Great graphic. This was the first and only time that Deep Space 9 exploded. Really? Yes, this was huge. This was their big visual effects that they had to have. Their budget for visual effects on D-Space 9 was leaps and bounds over the next generations. visual effects budget. They really want it. Yes, because they said we don't want to do, we don't want to chintz out on visual effects like TNG did. And that's basically, they have this tiniest budget for visual

effects. So they really, I think not even quadruped, but maybe quintippled their budget for visual effects on DS9 just to feature cool things like this, like the explosion of the station. And it's quite impressive. It's quite impressive the explosion. Yeah, very good explosion and a very impressive quintupled that you use that word. I use quintupled exactly. Yeah. So no CGI in that explosion. That's like a practical. It's all a model. It's all a model. Yeah. They actually, yes, it is all a model. They blew it up in sections is what they did. So they, they basically built two blow upable models is what they did. So blow upable. Another big word you're using. I made another you quintippled the below. Quintiple. Very Shakespearean of you. Yes. Thank you. Yes.

All right. We come back to ops, and there are no clues from Miles jump ahead in time this time. Cisco wants to quietly begin preparing for an evacuation. But he once again, let's just wait. Let's just wait and see. Yeah, hundreds of people's lives are at stake. Let's just wait. Let's see how this plays out.

Is that his line? He doesn't say that again, does he? Basically. Yeah, yeah, he does. I don't know if he says exactly that, but his intention. is we can wait. Let's just see what O'Brien does. And we can wait. If Brian doesn't work, then in a couple hours. You're going to evacuate hundreds of people. It's going to take time. There's no time to wait. But we'll wait two hours. But we'll wait a little. Just get ready to

evaluate it. Don't start yet. Let's see how this plays out. Don't tell people about it. You know, I don't know, you guys may or may not have been here in the fires. But when there was a fire nearby, they told us right away. Get out. Get out. Get ready to live. Get ready to live. leave yes yeah he wants to wait and see so miles o'brien wants to jump again though he's like i need to do this i need to help you know figure out what happened he asked bishir to flood his body with these isotopes just flood my body sheer's like that's going to kill you and o'brien says there might be a connection with the frequency of the singularity and the isotopes in my body and this time shift where I keep jumping.

Right. And that leads Bashir to say, well, if we can calibrate the time and the amount of isotopes and then pick the precise time to interact with the singularity pulse, we could maybe pick the time in the future that we're sending you to.

Yeah. Because the problem is this. Up until this point, he's always been jumping five hours, right? Yes. Yes. So at this point, if he jumps five hours, the station's already blown up because it's not, you know,

it's not enough time. so they're trying to figure out two hours two and a half three hours exactly and i just want to point out to everybody who's never done this um the amount of techno babble that sid has to memorize in order to make these explanations oh it's remember that we get the scripts well depends on where in the week we shot it but um sometimes the day before sometimes the day before probably not for this scene but um but we but he has a lot our technobabble to memorize and make it sound as he does to make it sound plausible. Armin, in the context of our discussion, when you started saying that, when you said, and I'd like to explain to everyone who have not done this, and I thought you were referring

to time jumping. I'm like, what? I know. I mean, I was like, for those that haven't time, John, it's not like I have. We time jump all the time, we're just not aware of it in the sense that when you remember things, you jump back in time. Oh. I've mentioned this book that I read years ago.

I should reread it because I may have completely mangled it in my memory now, but there's a philosophy book, basically, called Time and the Art of Living. And it's about time travel, basically. It's about how we can time travel, do time travel, and hang on to time, and how time is all one thing. We just separate it out into linear time in our minds. Yeah, we make it linear. It doesn't have to be linear.

No. That's the thing about Einstein and his relativity theory is that it's someone, we all know this theory, that you'd go away and you'd come back, you know, a couple days later, but for people on Earth, it would be a couple years later. Mm-hmm. Yes. Read time in the art of living. Highly recommend. We jump to the infirmary. They figured out this plan.

Bashir's putting this device on his arm. It's kind of techno. It looks like a horseshoe with a blinky thing on it. Puts it on his arm. This is the time jump device. By the way, he made this time jump device very fast. It's pretty easy to make a time jump device. I started thinking, wow, if you can make a time jump device that quickly and you have

figured all this out, this could solve a lot of problems moving forward. You know, oh, the Klingons are coming to attack us. Let me just jump to the future, see what's up, and then I'll come back and come right back. All you need is blinking lights. That's all you need, blinking lights. Yeah, he made this very fast. But he explains to O'Brien, you can activate it yourself and jump forward, and then you have to activate it to come back. And O'Brien is ready.

He does mention to Bashir. There's a message in my quarters for Kako if dot, dot, dot, and Bashir says, I understand. so we get what that refers to we do very sad thought and by the way maybe caco should get that letter because she's got a new husband now with the new guy this it shows you're giving away you're giving away the ending i know but uh there is a letter from miles one to her um we go to o'brien's bedroom and he sits up pops up looks at the clock uh miles the darkest the darkest says I've seen on this show. It was like, my God, did they have any light at all?

After an episode of shining bright light in his face, I go, that's really dark in that room. Yeah. It was dark. Well, Miles 2 was sleeping. I know, I know, but, you know. I like a dark room. By the way, how do you guys like, when you go travel and you're in a hotel, do you like full blackout or do you like a little? Blackout.

Full blackout. Full blackout. Hey, didn't Miles, didn't sleeping Miles have zero covers on him? Wasn't he just lying on a mattress it looked like? Maybe he's a hot sleeper. He's fine. Okay. At least he didn't sleep naked.

That would have been awkward. And he didn't snore. So we have to thank him for it. Yes. He didn't have a CPAP machine on or anything. That's right. He doesn't snore. Miles 2 had the CPAP.

Actually, Miles 1 had the seatep. Miles 1. Miles 1. There you go. but miles one wakes him up tells them they got to find out what's about to happen and I like in this two shot this you know twins moment how they both say I hate temporal mechanics in unison Robbie that was their war particles moment was it was their war particles moment yeah but that's hard to do to get to shoot the same actor in a

split screen timing out a line yeah quite that perfectly it was done really really well that was extra tricky and funny and that you know them being in the same scene that's costly too we talked about the ship blowing up but that that's and they did it several times a lot yeah yeah yeah but they take off together we do see the beginnings of miles one suffering a bit as he leaves the room you see him kind of suffering all the radiation yeah yes we go in ops both miles come up on the lift, another cool split screen. That's cool. They explain that a Romulan ship is decloaking. As they're explaining what's happening, this Romulan ship decloaks, it starts firing, there's a big attack. Miles one is really suffering from the radiation. At this point,

he collapses. Miles two tells him to go back and warn everyone that the cloaked Romulan shipped uses a confined singularity to power their ship. So that must be what it's, what it is. And Miles 1 said, no, I can't go back and warn them. I'm dying of radiation poison. Take my horseshoe armband, put this on, and you go back and do it. Miles 2 at first is like, no, I can't possibly. Miles 1 goes, it doesn't matter. But it does matter because Miles 2 has a family on that world.

Now that family is going to have the dead miles. It's not a different family, though. It's the same family. It's the same family. Yeah. It's just that it's a. different entity. I also, going back to the conversation we had earlier,

they both guys appear on in ops and nobody clocks the fact that they're two O'Brien standing there. Oh, yeah, nice to see you both. And no one says which one is which. I mean, forgive me for going back to my production of, what is the 12th night. You know, there's a moment in my production where which, which one are you right um and they should have why are they you know why are they just assuming it's okay for both of them to be there without going which is which is our miles which is our miles

yeah yeah well the starfleet uniform miles and playing clothes the one in the bathrobe right yeah that's the only differentiation but you're right it's it is a little odd that yeah but in the end o'brien one dying o'brien says i'm you you're me it doesn't matter just go go that's it right just It happens pretty quick. Yeah. So really, the only one that lives is a duplicate. He's not the original. That's right.

They've killed off his series regular. Yes. He is a duperic. That's what I thought. They've killed off a series regular. Yeah. Well, he does take it. Miles 2 takes the horseshoe armband.

We cut to the infirmary. Miles 2 is there. He's not happy to be there. You can tell when he wakes up. When he says, it worked, O'Brien to Cisco. He's kind of distracted, I guess, is the best word. use he's he's affected by this decision to to replace the other guy but he tells cisco to raise shields that it's the romulans they're there they're cloaked and cisco raises

shields stands weapons by and then back in the infirmary bashear scans him and says wait a minute the delta radiation doesn't match because bashear knows how much radiation you put in him to make this jump and it's not the same numbers and this this miles too says there's been a change And Julian seems to, oh, okay, he gets it, but he doesn't seem to have much to say about it. It seems like pretty big news. Oh, I have a quick pause. So what happens to Miles One's body then? Because they stop the attack, Miles One doesn't actually collapse and die there right before the attack happens.

I mean, do they bury that first Miles? I don't. I think there's separate timelines. So in the time jump timeline, it goes, off on a different thread. I mean, that's something that they didn't address is if they change the past,

doesn't it affect the future? Yes. It should. It should. Right? It should. This is the time travel part of the story where my brain explodes. And there's been a change. That's an ambiguous line.

And they'll have another one in the next scene as well where I go, does Miles 2 not remember everything that he did in the future and that seemed like that more than anything bothered me he should yeah this this line is ambiguous i don't know if it's a lie or there's been a change uh is that something he senses is that something he knows i don't know and and and in the next scene in the in the dart scene it's obvious he doesn't remember stuff and i go why why don't you you remembered going back to tell Bashir that it was a Basel, whatever that was. You remember that.

Why don't you remember everything? Yeah. Interesting. Well, let's see what happens. Next scene is in the wardroom. We see Ruan, the Romulan questioning Quark. When Cisco enters, Quark is very happy to be sent away. And this is where Cisco exposes the Romulans that he realizes.

The Romulans feel like the dominion is. a great threat and that they were going to destroy the station and then hide what they did by collapsing the wormhole and making it seem like the wormhole destroyed the station. Cisco says, I have weapons locked on your warbird right now, and the Romulan are busted, and they leave. They don't even give it up, though. Both Karina and Ruan, they're so, they would be great poker players. They didn't give anything up.

They just sat there like, that's a great theory. I don't even know what you're talking about They don't even say anything They say time we leave, bye bye They're gone But we know Cisco's right They've uncovered the plan Yeah

This is where we go to Quarks For our last scene, Miles Before we go any further Yes They call the signature thing Something singularity A temporal, a temporal singularity Now I'm not much of a scientist

But for me, singularity means a black hole means everything's collapsed into a pinpoint of matter it's a singularity that's what's running the Romulan ships I've never heard that either

that their engines are powered by singularities a singularity I mean as I understand it I could be totally wrong and someone who knows better than me please educate me but that's saying that a black hole

which sucks everything up and doesn't allow anything to exist outside of itself that's why it's called a singularity in my opinion how does that run a romulan ship why to choose that terminology i wonder if instead of war the the romulans have developed some way of creating an artificial singularity and that's how they generate their power maybe it's kind of like a nuclear diffusion but doesn't doesn't a singularity suck up everything so it shouldn't it shouldn't create power yes it should suck up power it should again i'm not a physicist i don't know but i'm just an actor i don't even play a physicist if you suck the energy that's in front of the ship it's going to draw that ship forward if you use that's how they do it

maybe but it's a temporal singularity which i think is different than a normal singularity aka black hole which sucks everything in so i i have i have the belief that it has something to do with the fact that they have cloaking technology. Like, they can't have regular warp drive because of the cloaking technology. I feel like there's something connecting the temporal singularity, which

gives them the energy. It's the only thing that can handle a cloaked vessel as well, like something to do with the cloaking device is why they have to have a different way of propulsion or a different way of generating power. But you're not incorrect, Armin. It seems like a odd description.

A black hole is what sucks up. energy to the point where everything collapses around it, so that would mean they would be dead every time they take off, right? So they should be... Well, how does warp work, not to get into too much, like, you know, propulsion dynamics, science? They can move faster than light. They move faster than light. Warp is, for my opinion, is warp is light speed, and then warp two is beyond that, and warp three is beyond that, and yeah. But how does... I've always understood it like this. Yeah. This is a piece of paper, okay? So what happens is you want to get from here to here.

Whoops, here we go. Here is where you're at, okay? And you want to warp to here, which is really far away. The warp drives bends space so that now the two places are closer. So now you get there faster. So that's what I understand warping to be. Oh, you're warping. You're warping space.

You're bending space. Interesting. That's what I understood it to be. And that's how we get distances that are way far away. That's crazy, though. If we're bending space, then every. everything in that space got bent with it. But you're only bending it for what you're for the for your ship itself.

You see what I'm saying? You're not bending you're not bending all of space. So everyone's like, ah, like tipping one side. It's literally. That would see that version of warp. He's like,

whoa, somebody's, God damn it. Who's bending space now? Who's warping now? Who's warping now? That's funny. Okay.

Okay. Final scene. We're back in quarks. Miles does know the game results. uh of this dark game calls bishir's shot he says uh 20 outer ring and sure enough that's what he hits but then miles admits uh that he feels odd like he doesn't belong here yeah and he heads off to bed as he's passing quark he says dabbo cork's like wait what dabbo what and then they call dabbo at the table and quark suddenly understands he has a bit of an aha moment wait

minute miles chief wait yeah yeah and and and again i go back to to that this conversation where he says something i feel odd i don't it's his he doesn't remember what he's been through that's what that indicates to me that he doesn't read i feel odd i don't feel like i belong here that's not that's not someone who remembers uh unless he's lying which is possible but or or is he just saying i know that i am from the future i'm miles two but i'm also the same person so it shouldn't matter but it does matter it feels wrong even though i can intellectualize it i didn't get that from column's performance and i'm not blaming him because it's not spelled out in the script i'm sure but it just seemed like i don't i don't remember i don't i don't feel right here and that was just a

a sense of something not a knowledge of something yeah which he should have had a knowledge of as he said because in all through the episode he remembers what happens in the future and brings it back to the past he tells bishir what what surgery to do and all that yes if he does know that then what's he telling caco yeah yeah it's it's still him it's just he's gained some extra life experience yeah five hours five hours of life life experience That's it. But he still feels weird, which is fine. I can buy that.

Sure. But my favorite part of this scene is not even scripted. It's basically the end when he says, when you hear the crowd say, Doppo and Cork realizes he's telling me about the future, wait, Chief, wait. Colum's reaction as he's walking out. He just does that little laugh like, wouldn't you like to know the rest of this? And it keeps walking. So good on Collins part.

So if he's forgotten that he's from the future. How does he know? how does he know how does he know tell himself that's why i don't i know that that's a yeah i don't think he's forgotten i think he he knows he's i think he just feels either lying or he feels he just feels odd about it yes like i know i intellectually shouldn't feel any different all right there you go visionary visionary done time for a lesson theme or moral of this episode Robbie

mine is wordy but basically what I got from this is if you have insight into what's ahead that the right thing to do is is to share that honorably

you know that and I and I use that word to sort of cover both do something or don't do something, but be honorable about that knowledge with the future. That that's a responsibility if you know how something's going to end is to do the right thing

with that insight. That's what Miles did. He did the right thing. Armand, do you have a... I'm tangential to that, not too far away, but different. What I wrote was the bravery of one man can change the future.

of others because you know he risks his life he accepts the isotopes and in fact dies mm-hmm but it's the bravery of one man can change the future of others he saves all the lives on the station saves them all yeah because he was willing to be irradiated with with the isotopes and that's quite a heroic thing that very so that's my theme I also think that it's the sacrifice of an angel. It's the sacrifice that he makes in order to help his friends and his community. Nice. I don't really have one. I mean, I'll go with what you guys say. I'm fine with that. The only thing I can say is never trust a Romulan is really going to be my

nail on the head. Or quark for that matter. I trust quark way more than I do a Romulan. I'm going to say that much so all right okay well the patreon poll theme lesson more of this episode as submitted by rene wiley is the future is not written in stone that's good that's very good i like that yeah i did too i liked that a lot all right well thank you everyone for tuning in to our recap and discussion of the episode visionary please join us next time when we will be recapping and discussion the episode, Distant Voices, and that will be with Terry. So join us for that one. And for all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material. Everyone else, see you next time. Well, bye. Thanks, everybody. Dabo.