The Delta Flyers - Waking Moments

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Waking Moments. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Waking Moments:Chakotay must stay awake to lead an attack against a species that lives in the dreams of the Voyager crew.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill, & our Post Producer Jessey MillerAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Becca Stillo, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lucas Shuck, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Joshua McHenry, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Melissa Lau, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Paul Young, and Elly PostAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, James Cottrell, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Brian Roman, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Scott J. Mark, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Joseph Lanning, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Bronwen Duffield, & Red WizardThank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Thank you, sir. Very good to be here on this beautiful podcast day. It's the same temperature as always. on this podcast environment. It's always kind of spacey in the podcast day. It really is.

Yes, it is. You just heard quite recently that Turner and Hooch is not getting picked up again, the show that you'd produce and direct on. I know. I know. It's sad.

We just heard officially last night. Yeah, Turner and Hooch on Disney Plus, we made 12 episodes last year. They decided to go a different direction. I mean, I think the reason I was really, I'm sad about that because if, if anybody has seen the show, it's a good show. It's a good show. It's good for adults and kids. It's got a little something for everybody. It's funny. It's charming. It's heartwarming. The dogs are awesome. Yeah. And I think the reason that it got canceled is, you know, when there's an executive change at a company, like the head of the CEO or whatever. You know, they want to do their own thing. They want to not follow the old. regimes, you know, lead. That's happened at Disney recently. There's been a big upheaval with

executives. And I'm guessing the reason that the show didn't get more episodes is that they just wanted to do something that was their development and their creative vision. But it's too bad because people, I feel like the show. I do know that people really like the show. Definitely. We've had a lot of people talk about that show. So my question to you is this, sometimes shows, find another life elsewhere. Could they go to Netflix? Could they go to Moolus? Could they go somewhere else?

Yes? I don't think in this case because it's a franchise, the Turner & Hooch movie with Tom Hanks was a Disney franchise. And I think it's already a Disney property. Yeah, I can't go elsewhere then. I don't think so. I would be shocked on this one, you know.

Original shows that, you know, are created from scratch sometimes do that. But I don't think something like this would be. where it's a brand that Disney is so, you know, so tied to. I don't think so. It's too bad. It is. But you know what?

It also, this is almost, it's not a life lesson, but it's definitely perspective-wise, if you compare what we were able to do with Voyager, we lasted seven years, which is eternity in Hollywood, it seems, you know, to be able to get a show that lasts that long. because Turner and Hooch was a good show. So in all estimations, it should have continued past,

but then, of course, regime changes oftentimes mean certain shows, even though they're good, we'll get the acts. And that's what happened to Turner and Hooch. Yeah. That's a sad day, a sad week. Yeah, it's too, it is. It's sad. And Josh Peck and Vanessa Lenge's, Lindsay Von Seika,

it just was a great cast. It was a really good cast and too bad. Oh, well. Yeah. It is too bad. I guess I'll have more time to mountain bike. You will. I'm just going to have to go mountain biking more.

I'm just thinking about we should all, you, me and Picardo should mountain bike together. We should do it. Yeah. And let him fall down and. That's why we need to go with him. He won't fall. We're with him. We'll help him.

All right. Are you ready to review or go watch this week's episode? Yes. This week's episode is waking moments. Waking moments. Yes. Interesting. Waking moments.

Okay. Yes, I am excited to go watch the next episode. Here we are, season four. We're deep into it now. We're like halfway into season four. I can't believe. Episode 13. Okay, so let's go watch this episode.

Let's do. I'm excited about it. Me too. And for our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material. Robbie and I are back from watching Waking Moments. Yes, we are. We're awake. Wow.

Wow. You were kind of right on the money, actually. I can't believe it. What? Where was my nightmare of the, I guess that's not the episode. I had thought that maybe this was where we burned and had a makeup thing, but this was not it. That's okay. But that did happen to you, but not in this episode.

I liked it. I thought it was interesting. I did too. It kept me engaged. So let's just start off with our typical starting point, which is our poetry synopsis. So I will begin with my haiku, and you will follow with your limerick. Yes, I will. With your and Rebecca's limerick.

Okay, here we go. So waking moments, haiku. The crew can't wake up. Chiquotay works with doctor. Anemazine. Yay! That's funny. Okay.

That's good. I wrote that to make you laugh, actually. You know what? If I write anemising, the injection stuff, then you're going to say, that's kind of funny. And you did. And I did. I like that. You got yay in there.

I got yay in there. All right. Because I was going to say animazine helps, but it's just so anticlimactic. no you need something like yay yeah it's good okay it was funny great all right props on that okay here we go with a limerick the classic delta flyers limerick yeah for a waking moments let's go when tuvok shows up on the bridge he is naked the crew is asleep and their dreams are invaded Kokote goes down aliens asleep on the ground now the crew is permanently awakened ah good you started your limerick with the two vok naked one which is interesting i had to get

like that i had to get that out there quick yes huh okay it is the it is the high point of the episode really are you to say that's the high point no okay I was trying to like a double entendre of some sort, but it didn't really work. Yes. Now, you know, I just have to say, starting off the very beginning of this, this is a very apropos episode to watch right now. And I'm going to be giving away how the sausage is made a little bit here, because we're recording this the day before Halloween.

And it's a very spooky beginning to this episode. It's kind of like, it is. It's like a horror movie, really, especially with that dream sequence where Janeway walks into the mess hall and sees all the desiccated bodies of the Starfleet Coop members, right? Zombie mummies and the mummified people. Mummified people with the spider webs all over them. Yes. Yeah, you're right.

It's like Halloween moment. Very much so. I thought, wow, this episode comes at the perfect time. Yeah, yeah, it's good. Waking Moments was directed by Alex Singer. Yes, it was. We love Alex. And written by Andre Bormanis.

I don't remember. I didn't remember. Andre Bormonis writing an episode. I didn't either. He is our science consultant. Yeah. Right. He's also, he was also your science, or wasn't he the consultant? He was on the Orville. The Orville, right? He came on the set that day that I came to visit you and he came to say hi to me there. But I don't recall him being the, you know, the writer. It's not story by Andre Bormonis. It's written by. written by him. So he came up with the story and wrote the script as well. Impressive. Yeah, very impressive. I didn't remember Andre writing a script. I wouldn't have remembered that off the top of my head, but once I saw that

he had written this, I do remember back when we got the scripts and his name was on it, we were like, oh, I do remember all of us being a little excited. Like, oh, he's gotten an episode. That's kind of cool. Like, we knew he was a part of the family, but, you know, he was not someone who wrote episodes. That was not his normal day job. Yeah, definitely not. And so you remember us reacting 25 years ago, the same way we just reacted just now.

Like, oh, wow. Oh, hey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so good for Andre. The first shot we see is in a hallway, and Harry's walking down the hallway. Look at the pep in my step.

You had a pep. Megan was like, look at the swag. I mean, what was that? I was almost like a cartoon character. coming down the hallway like that. That's crazy. You had pepping your step, a lot of confidence, a lot of self-esteem. You're coming down the hall. And seven pops in, hey, she needs you really bad. She needs me to go help out or check something out in the Jeffries tube, right? And I'm like, okay. Yeah, that's strange. Right when that scene comes on, Megan goes, is this where the elbow

story took place? And are you familiar with that? Yeah. So I don't think it is because we start from position one and we walk all the way down the corridor when the elbow story happened so this in this entry this opening scene she she sort of you know pops in off of a side i don't know what that is a side corridor where she sees me and comes up to me so i don't think this is the elbow scene but funny though that she brought that up yeah okay so seven pops in and she needs you to help out in a jeffrey's tube to take a look at something and already my radar was up i'm like uh something's weird about this yeah Yeah. But you guys take off.

You're like, okay, I'll come with you. And we go to Tuvok waking up, and he was shirtless. I noticed that right away. And I was like, that's weird. Because we never, I don't think we ever had seen Tim Russ shirtless before. And I, that's something that I wrote down as well. Yes, Tuvok shirtless was shocking to me. I don't remember that at all.

I don't remember that. I mean, you know, where we're headed in a few minutes. I do remember. It makes sense later. Yeah. There's a payoff. Exactly. But it made me think, you know, it was very rare that we saw our characters, the men top, you know, without a shirt on, or it was just very rare. And so it definitely jumped out at me. Do you recall ever in the seven years of shooting where they asked you if you would take your shirt off in a scene?

No, I just I just remember that one costume that they put in my trailer and I walked on the stage with the nice satin straps and the little velour. Camasol top and I was like you've got to be kidding me like you look like a beautiful debutante is what I really did I was like I am not wearing this give me a t-shirt I am not wearing this yes it's the only time I cared it just didn't feel like Tom Tom it wasn't Tom not in a million years you know and and I I already had a little bit of issue with your purple pajamas but it's not as bad as that you know that thing that you almost wore that that that creation, that wardrobe creation. Yes.

I asked you that question because I do recall having a conversation with Robert Beltran during a specific episode where production says, we want you with your shirt off in this scene. And he said, no. And they said, okay. So they didn't, they did not push the issue. Insist on that. Yeah. No, they give them a tank top.

So there you go. Yeah, I don't think we were rarely asked male or female that I can recall to, you You know, show skin. It just was not, it was not an important part of storytelling, which to me was fine. Right. Didn't feel like it needed to be for our show. But when it comes to the men on the show, Tuvok maintained a good fighting weight the entire seven years. Tim Rust did.

I shouldn't say Tuvok. He really stayed in shape because this is the time, season four, this is about the time where we are all visiting craft service, grabbing a Kit Kat bar here, a Twix bar there, and that adds up. And so our weight is now fluctuating towards the plus side at this point, which is going to be a setup for a later episode where we see dialogue, which talks about our weight. It's coming up pretty soon. They actually wrote it in.

I do remember that. They wrote it in. They actually called, the writers called us out on it. So I do notice that, I mean, of all the characters to be shirtless, Tim Russ was the logical choice because he, was in the best shape and so the women all stayed in shape honestly it was just the guys yeah they did just the guys stayed in great shape and uh you're ryan roxan yeah yeah um but no the the uh the scene with him we liked our snacks yeah yes but tim russ wakes up shirtless and that that jumped out

i mean then we go to the mess hall and janeway comes in and says uh you know computer lights on yeah and no one's there and so that's kind of creepy and that's kind of creepy and that's we cut to a shuttle. Yeah, there's a lot of intercutting in this opening teaser sequence. They're going back and forth between all these stories. So we go to Janeway, that's right. Mess Hall, nobody's there. And then we go to Tom.

He's in the shuttle. Yeah. And he says, I need a few more minutes to get all these readings. Yeah. And then we come back in the hall again, and there's Tuvok walking down the hall. But this is maybe the tightest close-up I have ever seen on our show. It was a close-up of Tuvok. He was walking down the hall.

and it was a really tight close-up. A ECU, an extreme close-up of Tuvok's face? Yeah, it was just, it surprised me because we never went that tight on close-ups. And it was a moving close-up of him walking down the hall. So clearly it was supposed to be a scary, you know, we're in a sequence that's supposed to be kind of scary and creepy and weird. Then we go back to the mess hall and Nelix appears. And my first note here was, he's acting like,

like a zombie like his performance is like hello captain yeah it was weird it was it was it wasn't weird it was creepy it was a horror movie creepy to me at that point right walk with me captain yeah and then he walks here and then he says it turns he turns on the lights in the corner of the mess hall and all of a sudden you get the scare reveal of the zombies the yeah the crew members who have been mummified and and spider webs hanged off of them yeah they're dead clearly and Janeway sort of gasps as she sees them and then and then we go on to the bridge and Tuvok walks onto the bridge and he's naked yeah everybody's there but we're all sort of lounging in a very odd little grouping like we're all sort of a weird clump a weird clump of us and I remember

filming this scene where he walks out naked and we all start laughing yes I remember for multiple The first reason is when you put us all in a scene like this, there were so many jokes flying back and forth that like on the group shot, it was hard to get a take where nobody threw in a, you know, some wise cracker. Oh, yeah. But the other reason is this is the scene where Tim came out and he had stuffed his pants or something. Didn't he try to crack us up? Yeah, this is the scene. Yeah, I was there. You're in the scene, right?

I don't recall him doing this. And this story has been told over and over again. Oh, he did. But evidently, he came out. Wasn't he wearing skin-colored tights for the bottoms? Like, he wasn't really, yeah. That's right. So in those skin-colored tights, he had placed a very large fake phallus, essentially.

He had taken like a bunch of socks, a tube sock, and stuffed it with other things. No, no, that's what I did in the pilot. I heard he actually had a real, you know, something. Yeah, made a very large... And he did it when he was behind the camera and he didn't tell anybody and then he did it off camera. So I think in the cut

is shots of us all laughing. Yes. I think that is... So it was a natural reaction. Yeah, I think... That laughter was natural reaction, okay. Tuvok realizes he's naked. You know, we never see him below the waist

but the camera pulls back to reveal you know, he's naked from the waist up and everybody's laughing and so he turns around and goes back in the turbillift. And for the first time, we see one of these aliens. That's right. So clearly something weird is going on. He sees the alien.

He reacts. And then we go to Janeway, who now is still standing by the zombies, and she looks over to Nelix, and behind Nelix is one of these aliens. So now we realize all these scenes have aliens creeping around close by. We go to Paris back in the turbo lift, and an alien rises up in outer space in front of the windshield of the, not the turbo, the shuttle that Paris is flying. And then we go to Harry. Oh, and I skipped over, by the way. This is the second time because Harry's kissing seven, right? Seven goes, I don't really need help with work.

Yeah, I skipped over. Yeah, you skipped over that one point. How could I skip over that? How, Robbie. After the Tuvok close up, I skipped a note. Seven, yeah, you guys are in the Jeffries, tube. Yeah, yeah. And she is staring hard, hard at you. Well, because I'm down there, like looking at her work and looking at my, my, my, my tricorder and I'm like, all your calculations are right. And she's given me the eye. And then, of course, she starts kissing me. Now, what I don't recall, I do remember the kissing scene, but, but basically it was a very long kissing scene, because we cut back again and the smooching is even longer. There's more of a, uh, uh, prolonged, you scene. I just remember the scene with one quick kiss and then I see the alien. That's my memory.

Right. But in this, you know, in this intercut, there's a lot of, you know, it's jumping back and forth. You see Harry kiss seven, excuse me, seven kiss Harry. And then it cuts away. We see the other people. We see Tuvok. We see Janeway. And then it comes back and there's even more kissing. And that's when, when she backs off, Harry just has this look of total contentment and bliss and excitement. And of course, Um, that's when Harry sees the alien. I was going to say, so we've seen Tuvok see the alien, we've seen Paris see the alien, we've seen Janeway see the alien. Yeah.

We come back and Harry's still kissing. And then she steps away and he's in bliss for a moment. He opens his eyes. And then Harry screams. And I was like, everybody else has seen the same alien. Nobody screamed. Like, why is Harry the only one who's going? Oh!

Because he was in the middle. of a beautiful moment with his dream girl. I guess so. And she turns into an alien dude. And so that's why he screamed. And yeah, it's a loud scream. It was a loud scream. I did notice that your kissing with Jerry Ryan was much quieter.

It was not the loud kissing that Tom and Boulana have. So. Well, there was some sound because Megan made a joke about that that I was going, I was going, like in the first shot of me kissing. I made this weird sound. What did you say it was like, Megan? He said it was... It was disgusting.

She said it was disgusting. Whatever sound that I made. Now that was literally the only time that Harry Kisses 7 or there's any intimacy is in a dream sequence in an episode, right? Because there was no... You can't even tell everybody about it later. When they asked you, like, what were you dreaming? You're like, I... No, I can't.

It was awkward, awkward, awkward. But this was also funny because this was, when this episode aired prime time, we were filming. We were in the middle. to filming and Jerry Ryan was in her trailer with her young son Alex, who was probably five maybe at the time, I'm guessing. And this episode aired on her TV television in the trailer. And her son was watching the episode. And the kissing scene came up. And he, and Jerry told me that he would, he'd almost fallen asleep, because we talk about voyager being so comforting that you can fall asleep to it. He had almost fallen asleep. And then that scene popped up. And he sees me,

my character and his mom kissing and he quickly wakes up. He's like, Mommy Kiss Gowett is what he said. He flipped out. He was like, what? This was a huge thing in the world of the five-year-old to see his mother. I traumatized him. I traumatized him because this is the first time he's seen another man kiss his mother. So, yeah, so this was, this scene has a lot of repercussions here. Yes, it really, I had no idea. I had no idea. Okay, let's move on. So now we move on. And I think Harry gets the most dramatic wake-up, I'll say that, out of everybody. And the most dramatic reaction to the alien, that's what he gets. And then he wakes up. Oh, no, I don't wake up, remember? I'm like, no, no, no, no, you have the most dramatic wake-up. You're like,

whoa, you sit up in your whole thing. Pretty good. Yeah, I liked my breakup. But what is your nightmare, really? You're in a shuttle and things are going, what's happening in your, what's I guess the alien is out in space, and that should not, like, that wouldn't happen in real life. So it was like William Shatner's Twilight Zone episode where he's on the plane and he looks out and sees the little gargoyle guy out there. And there shouldn't be a gargoyle on your airplane way. No. And there's a little gargoy alien guy there. Okay.

Okay. All right. So the next scene is in Paris's quarters and Balana comes in and he wakes up. And she's wondering, like, where have you been? We were supposed to meet for breakfast. And he's kind of, he's kind of, you know, he's overslept. And they basically talk about, we've got to, like, make plans to see each other. And they talk about maybe Paris suggests, why don't we go skiing on the holiday tonight at St.

Maritz? And she wants to go to Fiji or Samoa. So they're having a classic couple's like, I like the mountains. I like the beach. Your hair is darker in this episode. Did you notice that? It's also longer or something. It's longer.

It's darker. And in this scene with Torres, this is the first time that we see her in that overcoat. Am I right? She's pregnant. She's pregnant. She's pregnant. She's pregnant. She's pregnant.

And I noticed it in one of the wide shots, but you don't see her in a wide shot, except for one scene that I did catch for a moment. Yeah. But she's starting to show her pregnancy was starting to show. And you can tell by the little overcoat with the tools and the pockets. With all the little pins and little tool. Yeah. Exactly.

So this was the overcoat on top of her Starfleet uniform that wardrobe came up with to basically hide her pregnant belly, right? And of course, the quickest way to hide a pregnant belly is never to shoot below to keep that camera lens pointed at her face the entire time. Yeah, close-ups only, exactly. Yep. But we start kissing, and I made a note, it was loud kissing again. Tom and Balana can't quiet kiss. They just can't do it. But they make a plan for Friday night, which is kind of cute.

Then we go to the mess hall, and Paris is walking in, very tired, here's still a mess, asked for some coffee, and Neelix, it's like, maybe you should have some eggs or something healthy. And then you snap at him. I do. You go, Neelix, you're kind of me coffee. And he hands me a cup of what I think is coffee. And then Paris starts to walk away and he sips it and he goes, and spits it back into the cup. Yeah.

And then goes, Neelix, you gave me a steaming cup of cooking oil. You need some sleep, too. I don't know what was in it. It probably was coffee or something. I doubt it was cooking. It was probably just water. Water, exactly. Yeah.

But we realized that he's tired. He hasn't slept well. Paris is obviously not sleeping well. And Neelik says maybe it was those three full moons that we just passed. So you start to get a sense that something's going on in this part of space. Yeah. We go to the bridge. Janeway comes in and she's tired.

She talks to Chokote, my favorite moment in this, she sits down and she said, yeah, I just couldn't sleep and I just have been having the weirdest dreams. And he goes, yeah, me too. And she looks at him with this like, like, you know, little mischievous smile. And she goes, well, you tell me yours. I'll tell you mine. I was like, what? This was a J.C. moment right here. That's what I wrote down. Total J.C. moment. I was like, you. Show me yours. I'll show you mine. But Paris is kind of eavesdropping, and he's like, he overhears this. By the way, Paris brings the coffee mug on the bridge. We see that in the background. You look at you. Never brought a snack, a refreshment onto the bridge, but here I am walking in with a coffee mug. But we do realize in this bridge scene, they're all having nightmares.

And then Jamie's like, where's Harry? Yeah. He's not here. He's not answering his calls. The horror movie continues. Janeway's like, come on Tuvok, let's go, let's go check on him. They get in the turbo lift and there's a funny scene. This scene in the turbo lift with Janeway and Tuvok was very funny to me. Oh, it's great.

Oh, yeah. She's like, oh, so you're having bad dreams too? And he's kind of like, yeah, yeah, I'm having some weird dreams. She's like, oh, what happened in your dream? Oh, it's just, you know, I don't really want to talk about it. It's so funny. Yeah. It was really classic, awkward, funny.

He doesn't want to. He says something like, well, I went to the bridge, but then I had to go back to my quarters to get dressed. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't he talk about it being in the turbo lift and the alien follows him back? Does he talk about this in this point or not? Yeah, maybe I think so. Yeah. Oh, God. It was so funny. And she's like, what do you mean get dressed? Weren't you already dressed? I prefer not to talk about it. Talk about it. Yeah. Prefer that you didn't ask or something. Yes. Before the turbillift on the bridge, Janeway talks about this is an alien that she has never seen this species before. And every time I see this species, I think of a prior episode where we already saw this species. It does look similar to this.

He looks like someone that we've encountered before. But I think the dinosaur head was a little higher. And I don't know. Yeah. I'm sure they must have. Okay. I feel like it's from the episode where, yeah, it's from the Sorian dinosaur episode, but it was when they were looking for us and they were at one of the trading outposts

and they were talking with other, yeah, something like that where they were talking with other aliens. If you see other aliens in the background, I almost feel like this, this makeup was already used or something's very similar to it. So, okay, that's my note. Continue. Yeah, so they, Janeway and Tuvok end up at Harry's quarters and, ding dong, and the door doesn't open. And so Tuvok, because his security, he can just tell the computer, open this dang door. He just opened it.

He opens the door. Oh, yeah. And they go in and Harry's asleep. And Janeway says, uh, Ensign Kim, Ensign Kim, and you don't move. Yeah. And then she sort of, she caresses your, you know what I'm talking about? Yes. She's like, yes.

Inson Kim. Like a sweet little mom sort of, come on, Bay. I didn't read it as that. I didn't read it as that. I read it as possibly like, oh, this is my boy toy on the side kind of touch. It was a little like a baby, like she was doing it like a little, oh, look at the little baby. Look at the little baby. Look at the little Ferris.

But it was a, it was an odd little caress, I thought. It was. I wrote that too. Yeah. Yeah. And he won't wake up. No. She called Sick Bay.

And they're going to bring Harry in, which we, we cut to next. Yeah. And the doctor basically kind of explains Harry's state. he's in a hyper REM state of sleep. Yep. Deep sleep. And they can't wake him up. Everything else seems to be normal, though.

There's no other symptoms in his, in his checkup that says anything's wrong. It's just he's totally asleep and we can't wake him up. And the doctor suggests here, like, until we figure out what's going on, I suggest everybody stay awake. Don't fall asleep. That's right. It's like in a horror movie when they say, don't go in the house. And of course, the teenagers go in the house. Because it's not just Harry who's in this hyperliction.

There's about five. Yeah, six total. Five other people. Six, yeah, five of the crew members are out cold, right? Okay. So we cut to the briefing room after this. And everybody's trying to figure out what's going on. And we learn here six crew members can't wake up.

Yeah. We're all sort of talking and assessing the situation. There's a shot of Boulana where Paris sort of pops in, almost like he was down below. at her feet or something you see that shot I was like I pop in and I think I went back and looked at it and I was like oh I kind of came from the side I guess but the way it's the angle of the shot looks like like what was I doing down by her knees or her feet because I sort of pop up and have a line it was it was an odd little shot I thought it made me laugh I watched it twice two three

Yeah. And then, you know, there is an implied dream that she went through, too, right? But she never really talks about that. We never know. She doesn't talk. We don't know her dream. We know. And then who else? Isn't there someone else that doesn't know? Everyone falls to this. Every crew member, except for the doctor, falls to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I did notice in this scene in the briefing room that my skin color, my face makeup was much darker than normal. It almost looked orange. and then when my hands when my hands were crossed in front of me you could see the difference in color between face

and hands and I know that that's something that we dealt with a lot on Voyager in lots of episodes for all of us because they did use pretty strong makeup not just on the prosthetic actors but even on some of us and the first thing that came to my mind in that scene

where my face looked more orange is I thought usually Tina did my makeup Like for seven years, Tina, one of our regular makeup artists, full-time makeup artists, did my makeup. But every now and then, depending on what was happening in the trailer, if she was, you know, whatever, for whatever reason, if she was sick, now rarely someone else might do my makeup because it's pretty easy, you know, you and I were pretty very easy. And then my first thought was, I wonder if in this episode some of these scenes I'm noticing darker and then lighter again, if there was some trade-off, like maybe Tina was doing something else. And I had to go have someone else do my makeup, because it didn't look the same. I think that's exactly what happened.

And that happened to me once on the episode Nightingale, which we have not reviewed, but that was not my regular makeup artist. Just a little detail, but it would happen on our show quite often. Not quite often, but now and then. Now and then, yeah. So, oh, you didn't mention the police sketch that you guys are coming up with. Yeah, we're coming up with a police, a sci-fi police sketch in there. So, you know, computer, extend the eyes three centimeters. And they're just, you know, change the color, darken the color.

And we come up with basically a sci-fi version of a police sketch that looks just like these aliens. Everyone agrees. Chikote now explains about a lucid dreaming, a technique that he's, that he uses. and maybe we can take control of these dreams. And he says, you know, we could use the same technology that he uses for Vision Quest. So we've seen that before,

this little piece of tech that he uses that's in his medicine bag. The other thing that came to mind in the scene, I feel like Robert had a lot of lines. And I feel like I remember in this scene, he was struggling. It just all of a sudden I had a flashback of like, oh, I feel like Robert was getting frustrated

in the scene because he had so many speeches and struggling with his lines. And we kept having it like, okay, keep rolling, go back and do it again. And what's my line? You remember those days when he would sometimes, like, he'd get frustrated and get so mad. He get really mad.

I think this was one of those scenes. Yeah, because it's the techno babble. This is not his preferred genre of acting at all. So he'd rather do Shakespeare, right? So he got mad in this scene. I totally agree. He had a lot of big speeches, and I think this was one where he was like,

er, keep on, keep on it. What is it? A lot of curse words in there. Yes. But in the end, Janeway says, okay, let's try this. And he says in this lucid dreaming, before he taps his hand,

and that's how he can bring himself out of the dream. Three times, yeah. He'll have a visual aid to know that he's dreaming. Which is the moon. Which is the moon. Yeah. And if he sees the moon, he knows he's dreaming, and then he will tap his hand and he'll,

wake himself up. Right. So he sort of sets up the rules here what he's going to be doing. And Janeway says, okay, you got to do it under the control of the doctor, under the supervision. Janeway says, I will agree to this, but we have to monitor this. This has to happen in sickbay. The doctor has to monitor you. We don't want to lose you, you know, like Harry. So we go to sick bay and the doc is getting him ready. And doc says, don't do this. You are going to be, you know, I can't help you. Once you go in there, you are on your own. And Chukotay insists, I'm going to be fine. can wake myself up and the doctor's skeptical but then janeway walks over leans down to chocote and she says ready and she looks at him with his eyes pleasant dreams

oh my god i was like every j c shipper is like ha yeah it was so yeah ready pleasant dream It was a moment for me. Oh, my God. This is not how every captain speaks to their commander. No, it's not. I don't think Patrick Stewart said to his freaks. To John the brakes. Yeah.

Number one. Pleasant dreams. Are you ready? Yeah. Are you ready? Commander Riker? No, that never happened. No, it would never happen.

But that's a funny image, though. Yes, it's very funny. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh, my gosh. So much already. I don't always travel, But this summer's been insane. Trip after a trip.

You've been doing your impersonation of me. Yes. You know what doesn't belong in everyone's epic summer plans, though? What? Getting burned by your old wireless bill. So while you're planning your beach trips and your barbecues and your three-day weekends, your wireless bill should be the last thing holding you back. Well, that is why I made the switch to mid-mobile.

The coverage and speed are the same as I'm used to. But the savings, that is the difference. The savings are incredible. And now I'm saving all kinds of money for when my stepdaughter wants to go back. to school shopping. She's currently at the mall right now as we speak. Well, all the Mint Mobile plans come with high speed data, unlimited talking tax, and they deliver the nation's largest 5G network. So this year, skip breaking a sweat and breaking the bank. Get this new customer offer and your three-month unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.com

slash TDF. That's mintmobile.com slash TDF. Upfront payment of $45 required, equivalent to $15 a month. limited time new customer offer for first three months only speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan taxes and fees extra see mint mobile for details but he begins his vision quest dream is lucid dreaming and he finds himself in a hallway chikotis walking down a hole and he sees a deer runs by yeah and he's got a spear he has a sphere yeah so i guess he's in control of what props he has in his in his dream too but i remember reading this and i remember hearing them talk about it, but I didn't see them when they shot this, but that would have been cool, cool to see a little baby deer on our stages. I don't know how they controlled that thing. I'm sure they were kind of hurting it from one part of the hallway to another. Then Chikote ends up chasing the deer into the mess hall, and then he sees, he looks out the window and he sees a big moon. So this is part of his lucid dreaming technique. He knows he's in a dream. And then the deer appears in the mess hall and morphs this weird morph into this alien.

He does. And by the way, whoever played that alien is super tall. Like, I noticed it immediately. That would be Mark Colson. That is the actor. Yes, I made a note there. And he also began his entire acting career on a soap opera. Really?

Similar to yourself. You started on soaps. And a lot of other actors started on soaps. He did Days of Our Lives, so that's not the one you did, but he was on days of our lives. I was on all my children. I was on all my children back in the crazy 80s. And then he was on Days of Our Lives. That was it. So all my children, the soap I did was a New York based soap. Yes. New York City. And then Days of Our Lives is at Los Angeles Bay So he was doing that out there. Yes. And then he ended up teaching over at Michigan State University as a film and theater professor there.

so that was later in his career and he's tall he's very tall he's very tall i noticed it on the morphing and then so now we go into a fight with chocote and by the way we you know he morphs into the alien it goes to commercial there and then when it came back there's this special shot down on the ground looking straight up like a huddle in a football game yes the two of them locked in that combat yeah and i just want to make a note here that you know what popped in my mind is oh that's a special shot to transition into the next act, you know, from a commercial back into our story. And they probably just did that for that one moment so they could come in on the beginning of that act. Yeah. But that's something that as a director is very important to track. Like,

what is my opening shot? How am I transitioning to the next scene? So I thought Alex Singer did a really nice job of opening that act with that combat sort of locked in, you know, arm arm there from that low angle. It was just a nice special shot that was a good transition in. Yeah. And it works because the moment right before we go to break, the alien knocks away the spear and then starts menacingly approaching Chikote. And then we come back and they're already locked in that embrace. Yeah. They have a brief fight. I didn't think it was the best fight. I got to be honest. It was awkward. It was awkward fight. It was an awkward fight. And because he was so tall. I mean, Robert Beltran is a strapping man himself, a specimen, but this was a very

tall alien. This was like a six foot four receiver, wide receiver going up against a five foot nine cornerback. Yeah, it just, you know, it didn't seem like they were well matched. And then when Chacote does get the upper hand and sort of holding him from behind, it was an awkward shot, because the alien seemed like a foot taller than Chacote. And the alien was so, of looking sideways and wasn't even, it was talking to him for a long time in this sort of locked moment. It just, it looked like a prom picture

with a short guy taking the tall girl out on a date. It was, it was funny, but, but the alien says, look, you know, Chakote says, you know, just let us go, let me wake my people up. Yeah, and the, he says, we didn't do anything to you, right? We've done nothing to you. Yeah, what do you, what do you want?

Yeah. And the alien says, you know, you try to destroy us in the unconscious, in our dreams. So we have to protect ourselves here. And he says, just leave our space. If you just leave, you know, the edge of our space, then your people will wake up. No big deal. Just get out of here.

So Chakotay says, you know, I will find you in the waking world if this isn't true. And so we sort of see this, you know, Chichote seems to buy it, but he leaves a bit of a threat there. And then we go to Sick Bay. and he wakes up in sick bay chakote has tapped i guess he's tapped his hand there and he wakes up and says there was that was certainly one of the most interesting away missions i've ever been on and then he says i'll explain to you let's get to the bridge i'll explain to you and that's where we go to the bridge while they're having that conversation i just want to say i want to make note

that the alien refers to the waking species which is like oh wow i mean and he's kind of generalized all waking speed everyone in the way which is pretty much every other alien race are yes in the waking you guys are the weirdos that only seem to exist in sleep okay let's be honest yes and i love the line where chakotay says well that was certainly one of the most interesting away missions i've ever been on great line that was a funny funny line yeah and uh janeway janeway is like you know what happened and uh and chocote says let's head to the bridge i'll tell you about it we got to get out of their space. Okay, so after he wakes up in sick bay, Chakote,

heads back to the bridge and explains to Janeway that he, in the dream, he met this alien, talked with him, tells Janeway what's up. He says these aliens do have bodies somewhere, but that they communicate in their dreams. And Chakotay says something like, there is real as the waking world. Like in the dreams, everything that happens in the dream,

is as real as the waking world. And this guy told me, Janeway, he's like, he says, Captain, you know, if we just leave their part of space, leave their world, then we should all wake up. And this is where Chakotay brings up the Aboriginal mythology. And he says, it's like the Australian Aboriginals thought had a mythology where their ancestors dreamed the world into existence. Correct. And that's where he's kind of relating it to the Aboriginal mythology of dreams and consciousness and unconsciousness.

I also in this moment was thinking about Carl Jung and his whole universal unconscious theory, which is the foundation of Jungian therapy and analysis, that there is a true universal unconscious that we're all a part of. And so we may think we're awake, and this is reality, but really the unconscious, the universal unconscious is really the true reality, sort of. Who knew Carl Young was a Borg? Exactly. And this is also the scene on the bridge where Janeway says, sometimes first contact is last contact.

And that line in it of itself kind of queued me to like, Janeway would never say that. Like real Janeway would not say that. This is right after the first contact movie came out. I'm telling you, they were obsessed at the Carmel Studios with the success. They were obsessed with the success of first contact feature. That's why I believe now. Fair enough. That's why 7 of 9 was created for our show.

That's why the board came in. That's why first contact is last contact. All right. All right. So that's what happens on the bridge. We leave the bridge and go back to Sick Bay. and Harry wakes up. We finally have left.

Yes. Right? We've left the aliens space. We think everything's good. My note in this wake-up scene was I was very satisfied with my acting performance. Usually I'm very critical. I woke. That sort of groggy Harry Kim kind of wake-up scene was on the money.

I'm going to say I'm going to give myself a good 10 out of 10 in terms of acting chops in this one scene. I agree. I agree. I thought it was really well done, honestly. Yeah. It was funny, awkward without being too over the top. It was great.

And the doctor in Seven, I thought, were really, like, confused about what, what, why, why are you so nervous of, you know, what's my own? But perfect timing, because Seven's not there in the beginning. When the doctor asked, tell me about this, tell me about your dream or tell me about your nightmare, I am being forthcoming, a forthright. You're about to, you're about to tell. and everything. I'll spill the whole beans. And right when I when I'm about to give, give away everything, that's when she comes in. And it's sort of that she doesn't remember. Yeah. She doesn't know

anything about that. She doesn't remember it. And then you feel funny about it. It was great. The one note I made here is as you get up and pass behind seven. Yes. I noticed an extra in the background. Somebody wearing like a pink uniform or what? Was it pajamas? In the sick bay scene and maybe it's because there were six people who were sleeping. Maybe the idea was in their pajamas. They were in their pajamas. But it was like the weirdest pink. It looked like it had flowers up here.

I don't know. It just was an odd, you know, choice. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like it just caught my eye. And I was like, what is that pink uniform? What is,

it's weird. Are you okay with your purple nightgown or night, uh, pajama top? Is you okay with that? Yeah, okay with it. All right.

I don't, it didn't have the satin straps and all. so I was a little disappointed but okay good um anyway we go to the mess hall we go to the mess hall and this is where neelix uh is telling balana about his dream and i love this dialogue neelik says to balana the next thing i know i'm being boiled alive in a pot of my own leola root stew and balana goes talk about a nightmare and he goes well it was perfectly seasoned it was season. I love that the writers just could not ever write a scene where they weren't making fun of his cooking. No, but I'm just going to say, kudos to Andre Bormonis for this

scene that he wrote. Very, oh, fan, fabulous. It's some great one-liners in this. Okay, so Harry comes in and Bala is like, oh, Harry, you're awake. Great to have you back. Tell us all about your dream harry there's a little more awkward doesn't want to share he basically he just says they say who is in your dream and he says the woman of my dreams yes is all he will give he won't say who it was but he says the woman of and that smile you had as you said I'm going to keep the secret to myself yeah yeah and then there's a big hit the ship gets a big hit but before the big hit is the the best line of all. Oh, what happened?

Right. Torres saying, yeah, I wonder what a Vulcan. And we're all giving Tuvac crap in this scene. And then, then, you know, Harry is talking, laughing at Tuvok. And then Torres says, I wonder what a Vulcan nightmare would be like. And that's when you hear, sorry, that's when you hear kneeling, say, alone, exiled on a planet where the only form of communication is laughter. Which, again, Andre Bormonis. Good job.

Good job. Funny lines. Now we're buffeted by fire, alien ship fire, right? Yep, big hit. You can feel the whole ship shake. We cut to the bridge and the ship's under attack. I love this line on the bridge from Janeway. She says, you know, we seem to have a knack for provoking strangers these days.

I thought, yeah, that's pretty much all Star Trek, but definitely season four. We seem to just be like late season three into season four. We're just provoking. we're like running up you know one after the other we're just getting blown up by people we don't even we haven't said hello yet and they're shooting we we're we're not the USS voyager where the USS rub them the wrong way yes what we are oh my goodness and then the alien appears on our view screen and he knows everybody's names and he says glad to see you're up and about and chukote knows you know you lied to me yeah and suddenly some of these aliens are beaming aboard they've taken over control of the

ship. Yeah. And we can't. They don't beam aboard. They just kind of appear. They kind of come in like you does, right? They just snap in, bing, like that. Yeah. And so our crew is rounded up in, in cargo bay and Tuvok. They're trying to figure out what to do. Tuvok suggests a diversion. And Seven goes, I've got an idea. She creates a diversion. She just grabbed me like I was a rag doll, but pulls me off the ground and slams me on the ground. Slams you to the ground. Then she picks me up, straightens me up again. And you're like, what are you doing? I'm creating a diversion.

And then she punches you. Remember what she said. She goes, Ensign Kim, you are the reason why we have been captured. And then smacks me across the face, which is probably the funniest scene that I've watched for Harry. I laughed my butt off. And I'm sure you did too. It was very funny. Yeah, she's getting all the hits in.

And she's like, you should hit me back. And before you do, you get. grab. So basically, she got all the hits in. You didn't, I wish that you could have gotten at least one hit on seven. I would like just seeing Harry and Seven go at it. I really would. Yes. But in the scene, Chacote realizes that this is a dream. Yeah, it's still a dream. He realizes that it's a dream. He sees a reflection of a moon in a console. And so he taps his wrist. And suddenly we're back in sick bay and he wakes up. And he's really awake. We assume that he's really awake. Yes, we assume he's really like. And the doctor says everybody's asleep. They all have these identical REM brainwave

patterns, these neuro patterns. And they realize that everybody in the crew is dreaming the same dream at the same time. They're all in sync. Yeah. And this is when we go to the bridge now. And Chacote's there. And I love how he's like, excuse me, Tom. And he moves you over so so gently. Yeah, he slides my chair. You need to get to this console, and he slides my chair, and I just, I wish I had had some drool coming out of my mouth. I really did. It was, Tom sleeping was funny. It was a funny bit. It was.

We go back to the cargo bay, and Tuvac is explaining this collective unconscious idea. Seven brings it up, not Tuvok. Seven says it's collective unconsciousness. She's the one that actually brings that up, and the discussion begins, you know, that the Borgor have a collective, a conscious concept. collectiveness. And now we are in the midst of a collective unconsciousness. So this is the reverse of the board. Yeah. And I made a note here about the the Jungian concept of collective unconscious or universal unconscious. So I thought I really found this whole concept to be cool. By the way, I want to just pause in the plot to say that one thing that I loved about this

episode was that all of us are involved. Because we talk about this all the time. My favorite episodes are the ones where it's not just about one character on some adventure, but it's really everybody has some investment and some connection. And so I just love this. So we're in there. Seven brings up the collective unconscious. And Tom is not there, but then he arrives. And he's so proud as he arrives in this moment that he opened the door. He comes over to the group and he goes, hey, I managed to open a Jeffrey's tube hatch. Yeah. And Janeway says, good work. Like, he opened a door.

He, that, so I just want to pause to say that is why. Did you feel like it was the teacher talking to the kindergarten kid? Yeah, this is like, okay. Yeah, this was like a little boy coming up. Hey, hey, teacher, I opened the door. Yeah. And then she's a good boy, good boy. Good work, Tommy.

Good work, Tommy, boy. So I think that is, that's just an example of why Tom is a lieutenant and Harry's not. is Tom can open a door. So these special skills like door opening. Yeah, which I couldn't stop thinking about the rest of the episode. Like, hey, I opened the door. Hey, guys. When you said special skills, I'm just imagining Liam Neeson going,

I have a very special set of skills. I can open doors. I'm like, oh, okay. Exactly. Thanks. Yeah, so Janeway is like good work. And she's got the plan. and we're going to retake the ship.

We end up in engineering. And Bologna's talking about how they're using this harmonic inversion technology. And she thinks she can override it and turn back on the warp cord, get power. And all of a sudden, there's a warp core breach started. And everybody's got to get out of engineering. And then Janeway goes, you guys leave captain's orders. I'm staying. Yeah.

So Tuvok and Torres say, okay, and they leave. They leave. And then there's a big explosion, obviously a warp core. reach. They can't eject the warp core. It's not working. The warp core explodes and doors open and she walks out fine. Yeah. And she's like, not even a hair out of place. No. Doesn't hurt her at all. So Janeway's like, we're still dreaming. This is not real. Right. Tuvok's really mad. Yeah, she realizes just them. And Tuvok's mad. He's like, you can't take chances like this. But they realize that they've got to wake up. And so we go back to the bridge and Janeway enters and Chacote and the team they enter. And

And then Chacote looks up and he sees the moon. And he's like, dude. That darn moon. Yeah. There it is. He starts tapping. He starts tapping. It's not working this time. No.

It's not working. And, uh, and we, the doctor brings them out of it. The doctor. Isn't that what happens? Yeah, we cut into sick bay and the doctor has brought him out of it. And he realizes the tapping thing, the lucid dream, he's not working anymore. Doc says, maybe I can wake you up.

You know, I can give you some medicine that will wake you up in the dream. is that the animazine animazine? Yeah, that's the animazine. Yeah, exactly. Or not even just wake him up, keep him alive. Keep him awake, yeah. So they devise a plan. Chikote is going to go down to this planet, and he does.

He beams down to our cave set, which is still painted white. It's been white for a while now. They painted the caves. Sometimes the caves were painted, you know, rock color. Sometimes they were painted ice color. Right now there's sort of ice color. They're icy. colored.

Yep. Because they figured out that they, because they were making this, you know, there's a, there's a huge debate, not a debate. There's a, there's a huge discussion of where, where are these aliens then? Well, they clearly have to be someplace where they're going to be not detectable by sensors. So underground. And that's where Jacote goes to find it.

He goes, goes underground. And he walks into the big opening and there's hundreds, maybe thousands of sleeping aliens, just laying on the ground skinny sleeping aliens skinny dinosaur type people laying down taking a snooze all of them asleep and then there's some technology in here as well and we cut back onto the ship and janeway takes control of this dream at this point and the alien you know she storms past the a she's like you can't shoot me and they shoot at her and it goes right through and she's not afraid of them anymore because she goes this is a dream you can't hurt me no and she goes into free everybody in the cargo bay and then the alien boss man says, hey, you know, you may think

that nothing's happening to you, but your waking bodies are dying as we speak. Yeah. And the longer we keep you in this dream, you're just going to starve to death because you're not taking in any nutrition and you're going to die. You know who else would have made a great dream, skinny alien, tall alien? Would have been Doug Jones. Doug Jones would have been perfect for this role. This feels like Doug Jones. It really does. Yeah, but they can't stop it. And so we go back down to Chacote and Doc's like, you've got to take your medicine, but Chacote's like, wait a minute, I got an idea. I can use this medicine to wake up these aliens and then get them to deactivate the generator. So I'm going to give them this medicine, doc, but lock in a signal on my,

on my, on my signal on my com badge, I guess, calm signal. And if you don't hear from me in five minutes blow this place up so send a photon torpedo right to these coordinates yeah yeah he's like if if i can't convince them to turn off this generator and wake everybody up then you need to blow it up and i'll die with it yeah yeah and the doctor's like no and tricote says that's an order very heroic very heroic i'm a hero he gives the injection to the one dude right the one dude and as the dude wakes up we go back on the dream ship he disappears from that one disappears and so now the alien realizes yeah something's happening somebody's waking up my people they've figured something out right and then took as chakote gave the medicine he was going five four three two and he drops his phaser well he does say something to

that alien he's like turn off the turn off the machine you know turn off the thing that's transmitting their thoughts and what they're doing and then he's and then the guy's just shock because he's away He has never been awake, right? Then now Chacote is like, uh, and he passes out. So now Chacote, because he's falling asleep on this planet, he's in this dream. Choo flashes into the dream. He flashes into the dream. And he basically tells us boss alien on the ship in the dream ship, he goes, hey, if you don't

turn that generator off in five minutes, I got a guy on the bridge, he's locked in. He's going to blow that generator up in all your people. Yeah. And we win anyway. Yeah. So it's a game of chicken. It's a game of chicken. you know sure i'll die but we'll both die in our sleep he says yes all right and so you see you know

you see the guy thinking about it and then we cut to jump later on he he wins chokote wins and everybody's all better and uh they've got some insomnia we're in the mess hall we hear a captain's log i think over this explaining that you know the crew's all back to back awake but they're now it's the opposite problem they were asleep wasn't it the doctor's log oh maybe it was the doctor's log yes it was it was the doctor's log you're right which we don't normally hear the doctor giving log so that was rare yeah yeah medical log that's right yep and uh we're in the mess hall and neelix is there and he says he's terrified that he won't wake up he can't sleep because he doesn't want to go back to sleep um paris and harry enter all sweaty and by the way nice legs garret nice legs and nice legs and

those Star Trek shorts. Why, thank you. Yes, yes. We were playing three hoverball games to try to wear ourselves out to go to sleep, we say. But there you are in your space sneakers and your little shorty shorts. And you're sweaty too. We're both in like, you know, workout gear, which you don't see that often. Which we don't see. No. Talking about the hoverball games that we play. Yeah. It was interesting that all the boys were hanging out in that scene because it reminded me of our boys' nights out in real life when we used to go have steak dinners together. Two-Fox wearing like, you know, like formal wear or something when he comes in. It's like, what's happening?

Formal sleep wear. Well, it's interesting too, because when he woke up in his dream, he didn't have a shirt. He was shirtless. But that's a dream. Dream world. Okay. Never mind. Okay.

He just, he's very formal when he sleeps. Formal underwear. Formal pajamas. But it was, it was a, so that's, we kind of end on this nice bonding moment of everybody kind of hanging out. I really like this episode, I got to say. one to ten i would give this an eight i would give this an eight yeah okay i will also give it an eight but primarily because of andre born monas oh i really think he did a good job with this

he did a great job i'm very impressed very impressed yeah i thought this was a great episode i really enjoyed it did you have a theme i didn't i was going to wait for you to riff on it first because i'm a little i was a little it's a hard one i don't know that there's a theme or a lesson what i wrote down is I felt like this episode was a reminder that our subconscious reality is as powerful as our as the real world in our I like that that just a reminder it's not really a lesson but it's a yeah just a comparison of how powerful our unconscious is it's equal to our conscious experience so I yeah because I was just going to say a funny lesson which was sleep is good unless you're traveling through dream alien territory.

Yes. That's a good lesson. And if you run into a bunch of evil dream aliens, drink some coffee and don't fall asleep. Or don't sleep near an Australian Aboriginal tribe settlement. That's the other caveat there. Exactly. Yeah. Well, great.

Well, that was that was really fun. I enjoyed that episode. It's the fun episode. It was definitely a fun episode. And you know what? There's going to be some episodes where there really isn't going to be a lesson. It's just going to be a fun episode. And this may be one of those apps, right?

Okay. But two thumbs up for me on this one. You gave it an eight. I'm really impressed with you. Because usually you know, you're around the 6.5, 7, maybe. Yeah, I think our averages are six to eight and, you know, eight would be on the high end. And I gave a 10 out of 10. To a mortal coil.

Yeah, 10 out of 10. I could not believe when you did that. I was shocked. I thought you were joking with me. I'm not joking. You were really 10 out of 10ing with that. But 8 out of 10 is still very good for this episode. Yeah.

I might even get an 8.5. I might give it an 8.5 because of Andre. Again, because I'm so impressed with that. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, that's not as well directed. It was, I thought Alex did some of his best work in here. Yeah. Everybody was good.

Everybody was funny, which I love, I love when our show can have some humor in it and have some fun. Agreed. This one had tons of those little. moments. I thought it had those moments. It was great. Jerry was great. Doc was great. Deltran was great. Everybody was great. Everyone did a good job. And there were funny moments, which is something that you and I both love. You love it as a director-producer. I love it as an actor to see that as well, you know. Yeah. Have some humor. You need to have that. Okay, everyone, thank you so much for joining Robbie and I. And tune in next week when Robbie and I will be reviewing

and talking and discussing and debating the episode, message in a bottle. Oh. Oh. I think I have some thoughts about that one. We shall see. I think maybe. I didn't know that was next week.

Okay. Message in a bottle. M.I.B. And not men in black, but message in a bottle. Okay. All right. All right. Everybody, thanks so much.

We'll see you next week. So, you know, and Thank you.