The Delta Flyers - Warlord

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Warlord. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Warlord:A dying alien transfers himself into Kes' mind in order to execute a political coup on his own planet.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, William McEvoy, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, PJ Tomas, Nicholaus Russell, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, and Elizabeth StantonAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Luz R, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Elaine Ferguson, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, John Espinosa, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Heather Choe, Justin Weir, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Kevin Hooker, Matthew Osborne-Graham, and Michelle Maroney Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Hey, Robbie. Hey, buddy. How are you? Good. Good. Good. Good. Here we are.

here we are i feel like post futures end part one and two is like that's a that's a milestone that episode that yeah it was so epic i feel like now that we've gone over that hump i'm just i'm really interested to see what happens so in a way you have a delta flyer's hangover because we had such a milestone and such a great show and then now we're like oh okay yeah i wonder if it can keep up and I wonder, yeah, I'm curious to see. I don't, I remember we're doing warlord, right? Mm-hmm. Warlord. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see, very interesting to see if it can keep up. Like, you know, like I said, I thought I thought was amazing. Yeah. One of the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something's off in your body, but not knowing exactly what. It's not just aging. It's

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whenever I'm not in Calgary is we make time to watch like a show together, you know. Yeah. We'll watch something on Netflix, like a rerun or something. And so she chose a show that she used to love as a kid, Third Rock from the Sun. No, that's funny. You remember the John Lithgow show. And I'm wondering if your showrunner for Resident Alien was a big fan of that show. Because if you think about that show, those are aliens in human bodies on Earth, but it's a comedy. You know, it's a, I mean, yours has comedic elements, but that's pure sitcom, right? And it's five, it's one, two, so John Lithgow, French Stewart, Joseph Gordon Levitt, Kristen Johnson. So it's for aliens in human bodies.

And I'm just wondering if your showrunner was influenced by that show. I don't think so. He was, so our show is based on a comic book. Oh, Dark Horse Comics. Dark Horse Comics had a comic book called Resident Alien. Okay. It was mostly in the comic book, it had a big emphasis on solving crimes. The alien came to Earth.

He ended up, he was the town doctor, but he got really fascinated, with solving crimes. And there was a, you know, sort of a serialized alien on earth, playing detective. It was quite different and I think much darker, the comic book. And Chris sort of found the comedic way into the show and brought in a lot of different characters. So, yeah, so that's where that one came from. But Third Rock's a great. I should check it out.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm also wondering, maybe the source material, maybe the comic book from Dark Horse was written after Third Rock, possibly. And if that's the case, maybe that guy was influenced by Third Rock, that comic book writer and decided to make it a darker twisted, you know, put a darker twist on it. So what's funny you say, looking at old shows, I stumbled the other day. I saw something about an old, old sitcom called My Favorite Martian. Oh my God, yes. Do you remember that show? Yeah, Ray, um, oh my God. Ray Walston. Yes, Ray Walston. It was on

Star Trek was the Martian. Bill, Bill Bixby was, I think it was Bill Bixby. Are you sure? I think it was. Isn't that the incredible Hulk's character? Yeah, I think it was him. I'm going to look it up while we talk. My favorite Martian. Yeah, Bill Bixby, Ray Walston, Pamela of Britain, Alan Hewitt, Pat O'Malley, and yeah, and then it goes on and on. but so this is clearly a very young bill bixby right i mean this must have been yeah okay but that was my favorite martian was a similar uh premise and it's funny when i when i when i stumbled on on that show i was like oh i should watch my favorite martian before we go back to season two just to like look at some you know some of some of the some of the stories they told and uh sure i think it's a classic fish out of

water premise, you know, that it's probably been told in a thousand different ways. Yeah, that fish out of water story is so, it's just something that we're all used to. From the earliest, my earliest memory of a fish out of water story that I loved was reading the book, a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. If you remember that novel, that guy just shows up. He's in modern day society, and all of a sudden he's transported to me. medieval times. Okay, so this week's episode is Warlord. Okay. And Robbie and I are going to here we go. Hopefully, yeah, we've got our hangover. We've got our Delta Flyers hangover from watching

Futures. All right. We'll check it out and we'll report back. Exactly. See you soon. All right, guys, Robbie and I are back from watching. Warlord. Mm-hmm. I just like saying that. Warlord. Warlord. Yeah. Jennifer. Herlene had a whole different voice than she normally has in that episode. She did. It was like her voice changed to this deeper. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was, as I kind of vaguely remembered, she did a total, a real transformation as an actress, you know,

to not seem at all like the cast we had gotten to know. I will say before we get into the details and everything, everything of this. It was not my favorite episode. Like, there was, I don't know, I struggled. It was, it was a tough, this was a tough one for me on a number of levels from production design to guest casting, to direction, on a lot of levels. I was just like, oh, it just kept missing for me on a lot of levels. We'll go through it. Let's go through it. Let's go through it. Let's go through it. Let's go through it. with some poetry just to enter in our discussion in a mental poetic sort of symbolic way.

Right. And we have the, we have the Delta Flyers hangover. So we need to slowly, you know, yes, we equate ourselves with everything. So all right, let's start off with your haiku, please. Okay, my haiku. My haiku for Warlord, season three episode of start. Trek Voyager, goes a little something like this, Karen. Consciousness transferred. Whoa, that's not the Kess we know. Game of Thrones in space. There's my two.

I like your use of the word, whoa, whoa, that's not the Kess we know. Game of Thrones in space. You could have said, yikes, that's not the Kess we. know. Yeah. Okay. Game of Thrones in space. Very nice. Game of Thrones and Space was sort of, you know, yeah, it was like. Yeah, it's what it was. Murder and power struggle and factions and odd alliances and what marriages and who's, you know, going to be with who. It was all very, game of Thrones. In fact, I think this is the episode that the showrunner for Game of Thrones basically, sorry, the writer of the Game of Thrones

this trilogy, they watched this episode. Absolutely. I was thinking, I could put this in medieval times and boom, Game of Thrones. So because of Star Trek Voyager, Game of Thrones fans are happy. There you go. There you go.

Here's my limerick for Warlord. Ready. Tiran survives by transferring to Kess, wants to rule Alari and nothing less. Tuvacca spy. Neelix so spry. Synaptic stimulator to suppress.

I like Neelix so spry because the dance and the noises he made and all the things that Neelix was in this episode, it was the entire spectrum of Neelich. It really was. You got a full dosage of Neelix. Yes, we did. The teleplay is the teleplays, the,

Teleplay is by Lisa Clink. Yes. The story is by Andrew Shepard Price and Mark Gaborman, directed by David Livingston. We start off with an opening scene. Neelix is getting a foot rub, but we don't really know that. We just see him making noises. Like, okay, it's a little less cartoony than what you just did.

I was like, oh my God, what it sounded like, oh, it's, it sounded like adult film basically. I mean, he was just like, it sounded like Mario Cart, you know, like Mario mixed some cartoony thing, yeah, mixed adult films, mixed. Yeah. I don't even know. First time ever seeing Tlaxian feet. They're large feet. Honestly, they look like the feet of a hobbit from the Lord of the Rings trilogy. They look like Hobbit feet.

They're bigger. They're kind of hairy. Yeah. The only issue is they clearly made a foot to place over his feet, but they didn't separate the toes. You know what I'm saying? So the toes are still kind of like the silicone mold. it's always risky it's always it is risky yeah but i felt that pulled me out a little bit i'm like those are fake you know i didn't i wanted a little bit more realism yeah feet um hey you uh spicing up

well we both both paris and kim take their shots at spicing up the program yeah we kind of look at neelix's program we're like yeah no this is a little a little stiff maybe if we loosen it up so we make the drinks a little fancier we add some reggae some you know caribbean in music you bring in the girls volleyball team right kim's sport program theta too yes kim's sport program you know that's a shock to me i mean i i didn't know kim even had a sport program i didn't this seems more like paris's sport program theta two not oh it's actually everyone thinks that it's really kim's it's really kim yes because paris is a really he's he's a he's a he's a down-to-earth guy he's just a you know

a small town guy, Tom Harris, once, you know, the family life and to settle down, Harry is the one that has these programs. So you're saying Harry's the deviant and not Tom. Okay. Absolutely. You know, that's,

you can go ahead and put out that theory. I'm going to say that you choose to brighten up the drinks by changing them to Ricari Starbursts, which I think should be a name for a future drinks with, the Tom segment that you do. You should name something, a Ricari Starburst. A Ricari Starburst, okay. And then make your own creation from that.

I mean, I'll start even in this opening scene with some of my, I guess, criticism is that clearly we're at some resort. But what is missing here is, is there a beach? Is there a lake? Is there a ocean? There needed to be a wide shot somewhere in the reverse. direction. Clearly we're on stage and so, but there's a way to do that so that you don't feel quite so claustrophobic. And I just felt like it lacked context. Like, what does the rest of this place

look like? You know, later on, well, you see people in bathing suits and, you know, swimming things, but where are they swimming? Like, we don't see any of that. It should have been a visual effect shot. So I really missed that. I felt like that opening scene felt, it just felt cheap. And it just felt like we hadn't shown the context of where this place is. A big wide shot. Okay. So some type of establishing shot would have been better for you to show, you know, hey, what does it look like other than this tiny little portion of the resort, which everything is shot at? Right. Yes. Yes. My see-through shirt, did you find it sexy? I found it sexy. Now, yes, it was very sexy, but it also reminded me that this was the episode where I walked on to stage for rehearsal

really upset because they had made for me. This is not it. I think this is it. Are you sure? No, no, this can't be it. No, Robbie. I'm telling you, this is the episode where they made the little, like the little satin and silk tank topy strapy thing that looked like it was made for a very delicate woman.

and they gave it to Tom Paris to wear to the resort. And I walked out there on stage and the crew's laughing and I'm like, I am not wearing this. And so that's why they put me in that very generic sort of best and a, yeah,

this is the episode. So I come to work that day that we're filming in this scene and Robbie goes, come to my trailer. I'm like, what? I go to his trailer and he goes, can I just show you the wardrobe? that I'm supposed to wear today?

And I'm like, sure. And he shows me what literally looks like a very beautiful ladies top. I mean, it is a very slim satin sort of a little strap that goes over. And the actual top itself is this sort of beautiful black velour velvet material. So it's very non-masculent, yes. And, you know, I mean, you know, we should be open to any type of wardrobe, right, to whether you dress more feminine or not, but it was not flattering whatsoever.

It was not flattering. It was just looked like I was wearing someone else's clothes. Yes, yes. It seemed very odd. Not Tom Perkins. No, and so I said to Robbie, I said, so what are you going to do? And Robbie's like, well, I guess I'm just going to wear it. And so I was already on set.

So then Robbie walks on the set wearing his beautiful lady top. And that's when literally everybody, camera crew, the lighting, all the electricians, every grip, every PA that's around, they just immediately start laughing. And it's not like a snicker. It's not like, I mean, guffawing. People are laughing so hard. And now Robbie's turning red. He's embarrassed. And he's like, you know what?

I'm not wearing this. And I kind of remember you taking it off and just throwing it on the ground almost. Like you were really upset and you're like, you know, call Bob Blackman, call wardrobe and have them find something else for me. And of course, they came up, you know, that weird vest combo, that very, very nondescript sort of plain choice that you had to wear, the alternate choice, which, you know, doesn't really match my see-through negligee top that I had. But it is what it is. I mean, you've got to be comfortable in it. But I will say, do you recognize my top? It's worn before, Robbie.

That's the same top. What was that one? Yeah, it's from non-sequitur. So what happens is Libby, when I wake up on Earth, Libby is wearing my shirt. And you know it's mine because there's a picture, like a little picture by the bedstand that the camera sort of pans by. And it's a picture of myself and Libby.

And I am wearing that shirt in that picture that I take with Libby. So it's the same shirt. They used it again. in this episode, exactly the same. But still very, you know, very risque, because it is see-through, right? Yes, it is. Yeah, and up until-you pulled it off, though. You totally pulled it on.

My svelt body at the time was able to pull it off. Not so much now, but back then I did. All right, so already in the beginning, you're not happy. Let's move to Kess's quarters. She's called to sick bay by the doctor. There may be some injuries, right? And she smells a flower. I don't know if you notice.

She's sort of smelling a flower. the top of it. So, yeah, so they sort of, foreshadowing a little bit, which I thought was kind of interesting. I didn't catch that. I didn't catch that. We jumped to the bridge. Chacote asks, can we beam the passengers out through all that radiation? And we're talking about the alien ship that we've encountered. That's totally, you know, about the blow up, basically. And as he says that, I'm sort of in the background. It's sort of a two shot. So it's on Chacote with me in the background at my op station and he asked about the radiation. And then you can see there's this shimmering going on, a shimmering effect on shirts. And I've always been told, yeah, I've always been told when it's

time to do an interview. Don't wear stripes. Don't wear, like there's certain colors and certain patterns that will totally mess with the camera. And that definitely mess with the camera. So if you rewatch it, guys, you'll see this crazy shimmery effect. That means it mores. It's sort of of the way that cameras work with the frames, the frame rates is they can't quite capture the detail in the subtle movement of stripes like that or reflective stripes. It's a repetitive pattern. And so it sort of gets confused. The computer chip gets confused. And so it sort of creates a weird 3D, like almost like a beam out effect or something. Like it just can't, it can't sustain all that. It can't process it. So it's called moray.

That's the term that I've heard used many times by DPs and cinematographers, if something's moraying, it's kind of, it's, it's like a mirage. So the DP will say like, okay, so that shirt is moraying. Yeah, it's, okay, moraying, put ING on there. Interesting. So we do beam them over. We get close enough to beam them over and then get out of there without any damage. Right. And I thought it was very odd. Even Rebecca, when we were watching, we were like, everybody's smiling in the scene. like why are it was just confusing what was going on like i was smiling i think janeway was smiling a little you were smile i was like are we smiling because we didn't get heard or i don't know

it just seemed like intense it seems like there should have been an intensity in that scene and it was more like information information smiling it was very strange huh you didn't notice that i didn't notice that but i'm just i'm just thinking about what you said and i start thinking maybe um maybe because we walked in in non-uniforms, you know, and everybody was kind of like, ooh, nice. So, you know, look what you got to wearing. So it was maybe a lighter atmosphere on set, which translated to this random, weird, smiling. Yeah, yeah, maybe. So we go to sick bay, and these aliens, we see them for the first time.

I'm so sorry. There's three of them. There's three of them. It's so difficult for me to focus on this story because I'm so mesmerized. by staring at their extra nostrils. They have four of them. God, there's four. And the way that they're oriented,

it looks like a waterfall of nostrils or of pena pasta or of earthworms that are sort of dissected at the end or so. It was just like, it's so hard not to stare at that. What was it? Without being mesmerized. The other thing I noticed was their hairstyles reminded me a lot of the Kazon. I found that distracting a little bit. I was like, are they Kazon?

Or they seemed like a kind of a strange mashup of things that were familiar, I guess. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. And that head stuff, whatever was on their hair, at times, it looked Kazon-esque. At other times, it looked like leaves, you know, like a lotus, like, I don't know, some type of leaf. Or it just looked like, it looked like a turtle ship. at some point. It looked really kind of hard. Like it was a, it just, again, distracting.

It's a little distracting. The three of them are beamed over. One of them dies, though. One of them dies. And the other two, Aiden and Norrie, survive. That's the surviving one's names. And the one that dies is named Tiran. And another thing just to remind people of is that the doctor now has his mobile

emitter. so we will see in this episode for the first time the doctor not in sick day or the holodeck he's you know he's able to move around a little more freely but there he is with kess treating them one of them dies tyrant the other two survive and um and then at the very end kess gives one of them a hug when tyrant dies and it was kind of an awkwardly intimate hug I was like, yeah, it's like, why are you doing that? What's going on? You don't even know each other and you're sort of harassing and you're right up in there. And it was a little long and I was like, yeah, little did we know that the body did, you know, the spirit transferred, had transferred into Kess. So already this was here in spirit that had gone into Kess, but we didn't really know that yet,

but we knew something was off. Correct. So the consciousness has already transferred, but we don't know, right? So it's definitely weird. We head to Janeway's Ready Room, where the two surviving aliens, Norrie and Aden. It's so weird that they choose Aiden, which is a very modern name for this alien. Like everybody has a different and funky name except for Aiden. And they tell of their surviving story, their survivor story of what happened.

And of course, it's all made up. Yeah. We go back to Neelix's Talaxian Resort. where Neelix is waiting for Cass. Evidently, they have dinner plans. And we see Balana in her jazzy swimsuit. Yes, we do. It's sparkly, and clearly Roxanne Dawson has stayed her course

when it comes to her physical routine. She obviously still works out. She looks great. And then she's like, I made a few adjustments of my own. Overcomes the beach body guy with the working out guy, with the muscles, all the muscles and all the places and the barely bikini briefs

that he's wearing and he comes over and he sort of puts a towel around Balana and then they head off and she's got a snorkel and a mask in her hand again, I'm like, where's the ocean? Where's the ocean? Can we see a little more than this

10 feet of a set? Yeah, let me talk about a little bit about her modification. So that background actor is actually a friend of mine. That's Marty. That's my friend Marty. Oh, how funny. First of all, he's in a later episode.

There's an episode called Living Witness, which we haven't reviewed yet, where basically this alien race has a view of Voyager as being a very evil crew. So it was the closest to a mirror episode that Voyager had. So in the museum, you see the story of the Voyager crew. And this is when we wore the black shirts and we had gloves on or hair was slick back. So we looked quite evil. And so the opening scene of one of the early scenes in Living Witness, it's an interrogation scene between Chakotay and Kim are interrogating an alien prisoner.

That alien prisoner was Marty. They used Marty for that where Kim is beating up on him. But this is the first time that they used Marty his background. I know Marty because he basically, I think I talked about on false profits, how I had invited a couple of the Ferengi's harem girls over to a club night because a good buddy of mine was a promoter and DJ of an electronica, you know, sort of themed evening. And basically, Marty is in that group of people, the promoters and everything.

And Marty specifically did a lot of go-go dancing. like so they would have male and female go-go dancers like up on pedestals just dancing to the techno music and and marty was one of those guys you know that they had to do that yeah super nice guy really cool you know clearly always you know like anyone else in los angeles most people in los angeles marty was trying to make inroads in the in the entertainment industry um so uh yeah so his contribution was showing off his superior uh physique as as as Bilanah's boy toy, exactly. Very funny. All right. Transportor Room 1. Kess is now showing the aliens the transporter room technology, which was really weird. I was like, why is she doing that? Like, what's going on here? Well, clearly we realize this set up for later. Yes. They don't understand transporter technology. Right. So they're sort of getting a lay

of the land for a later scene where they're going to make a big escape. but she's showing them that. And one thing I noticed is the angle in the transporter room, we never see that angle. They had pulled out the back of the transporter pad and they were shooting like literally from behind it. In fact, it was an odd sort of the way it was framed on the sides. It was just very strange to me.

It was, again, I, you know, normally David Livingston does some really interesting visual choices as a director. and there were some really interesting lenses, I guess, and some shots in here. But I felt like a lot of times it was just, I don't know, it didn't seem to fit the story in the moment. The point of view where the camera was was not expressing the character's experience.

And that was one thing sometimes I felt like with David Livingston personally as an actor, that sometimes he'd have these ideas in his head, but it would not connect to what my character, if I had a lot to do in a scene. I had some thoughts or, you know, opinions about that. I would feel like David Livingston, often as a director, was not connected to that, the character's experience.

It was very much about like, oh, there's a cool lens I can use, or there's a trick shot I want to do or something in it. And I felt like, in this episode, there were a lot of those moments where I was like, this just doesn't feel like the visual is connected to the character's experience. And this was one simple situation with the transporter room where I'm like, why is it way over there and they're real tiny and it's a strange angle and there's no point of view? Like literally we should have had a close up of them and then looked back at this transporter and, you know, taking a look at it because that's what the characters were experienced. It was this is what it looks like.

But instead we were so far away from them. We didn't really experience it. So that was a moment, you know, just a little moment. where I'm like, feel like there's a mis-disconnect, you know, misfire there. Yeah, I hear you. And, you know, and Livingston has definitely turned in some great episodes. Yes, absolutely. I think everybody is allowed, you know, a mess up here and there, or not to be on their game, you know.

Absolutely. You're right. He wasn't really on his game on this one. Yeah. So we then, while they're, while she's showing them the transporter, she gets interrupted by a message, transmission from Neelix basically saying, hey, we're supposed to have lunch. So Kess meets Neelix back at the Talaxian Resort holiday. And by the way, what is Kess eating? Did you look at the food on the table in front of them? Yes. It looked like she was eating a dead plant. Like it looked

like weeds. It looked like kind of brown. It looked like the dirt was on the plate. And she was eating it with a spatula. It was like a, it looked like it should have been a fork, but it didn't have fork prongs it was just flat like do you scoop it up is it a trowel because you're eating a plant in the dirt i don't know it was weird yeah it was uh but she's more picking at her food but ultimately she basically tells neelix that she just wants to spend time apart and neelix is shocked neelix just doesn't understand what's happening um i thought it was interesting in that scene because clearly you know as an audience member you're realizing that oh kess has been taken over by something like something's happened with these aliens, maybe because I knew she was going to be in a costume

later, and I kind of knew the direction it was headed. But to me, it seemed that clearly something's gotten inside of her and changed her. And so I was thinking in this scene, like, does Tiran have Kess's memories plus his, or, you know, because it was just the beginnings of that kind of story observations for me. of like at some moments Kess was, or Jennifer Lean was playing Tieran, some moments Jennifer Lien was playing Kest,

in a lot of moments it was this weird mashup of like, you know, which character is sort of experiencing this moment. It was a bit confusing. Yeah. But yeah, she does break up with Neelix basically, says, I need some space. Yeah.

Right. We go to the transporter room, but we also find out from Janeway's voiceover that we are now in orbit of the planet Elari. at the Altark has been sent an invitation to come visit Voyager, who is the ruler of Elari, but he sends a representative instead. So now we're in the transporter room, and Kess walks in. And just as this rep beams in, Kest decides to pull out a phaser and shoot and kill the representative, as well as killing the transporter chief.

I guess he was Lieutenant No, it was Ensign Martin So Ensign Martin, we're sorry to see you go We didn't really get to know you I think that I actually looked that up Because I was like, who was that that was killed

Ensign Martin is what it says On some of some sites Right The actor was David Christian Is what I Okay I saw as I looked into things And he was not credited

As Ensign Martin So I don't know where that name came from. Maybe he gave it to himself. Because it said on that day, the actor in the transporter room was listed as ND background. So there was no character name. So I think he may have given himself that name, Ensign Martin. But his real name is David Christian. And he was killed along with the, yes, the representative. And Janeway is subdued. Wrestling with Cass. Or wrestling with Cass, yeah. And I just want to say that it's so good of you to honor the memory of Ensign Martin by looking up who it was. I was like, who is? I was like, Ensign Martin? Was that a

recurrent? Like, did we? I was like, what other episodes was Ensign Martin in? And I'm like, no, there were no other episodes. No, that was it. Okay, so the fighting ensues. Janeway calls for assistance to the bridge and they've already beamed off of the ship onto the shuttle, and they're gone. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh, so much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's been insane. Trip after trip. You've been doing your impersonation of me. Yes. You know what doesn't belong in everyone's epic summer plans, though? What? Getting burned by your old wireless bill. So while you're planning your beach trips and your barbecues and your three-day weekends, your wireless bill should be the last thing holding you back.

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who's a commander of the, one of the commanders of the forces. They're on the shuttle heading in. They beam this guy on board. And he's, so you see in the back of the shuttle, this guy beam on board, and he's facing the back of the shuttle. He's turned the wrong way. And he's a big guy, and you see him appear back there. And then all of a sudden he pulls his gun out and points it at the wall.

And I'm like, if this is your best man, that you put in charge of 400 people and he sees a wall and he pulls a gun on it, you got to look for a better guy. Okay. First of all, clearly the Illarians, they don't have transporter technology because, you know, it's already established earlier when Kess is showing them or Kess slash Tieran. They're all nervous like, wait a minute, so this thing really works. So they don't know what's going on.

But they make it even more obvious that the guy shows up, beamed in, turned to around. I'll tell you, the minute he popped in, I went, oh, I remember this scene now. Because when I watched this live for the first time when they premiered it back in the 90s, I was so not happy with that casting choice. And I'm so sorry to that actor if he's listening to this. But I was sitting there going, what? I should say this. I'm more upset with David's directing of that actor. I feel like you can, you can, if you're a good director, you can take anybody and make them look decent on camera. I think, personally, I think. So, um, I just don't think that David spent any time talking to this guy. Yeah. Because he, he literally, the danger, the danger of playing

someone who's a tough military guy is playing it so on the nose where you're really talking like this, you know, because I'm the general of the forces. And it's just this, this exaggerated, um, cliche of a powerful military leader, which this guy clearly, you know, started showing this whatever he did, I didn't buy it. I just sat there going, no, this is overacting. This is overacting 101. Come on, stop. I made the same note. He was kind of big. It was just didn't. Way too big. Yeah. It just, I remember Rick Berman saying to us in that lunch we had before we started. But he talked about sort of the royal quality, the regal authoritarian quality he wanted. But he also talked, he mentioned something about we have to be careful not to let our performances get too big.

Because the premise, there's people wearing rubber on their face. And for us, for the audience to believe that they're real, the performance needs to be very simple. you know if we start getting too big and then we got rubber on some people's faces it's just going to all look silly and i think this is a perfect example of what rick was talking about is that our story and characters are already so big with spaceships and rubber aliens and things and then this actor yeah i think just amplified the uh do you turn it up way too high um or at least i'm going to say david allowed him to turn it up way too high so i'm gonna i'm I apologize to the actor.

I'm just going to blame David on this one. People should have protected him against, you know, all of us need a little help and protection now and then to make sure that we're doing things. There's a moment later on. I'll talk about it where I wish, you know, someone had pointed out to me a simple line reading for myself. In the scene, he also, Kess uses or Tieran,

uses the telepathy, Kess's telepathy, to make his eyes bleed. It was his nostrils that were bleeding. Oh, it was from the nostrils. But the thing is, if Tiran or Kess, you know, with Turing inside, realizes in that first scene or this early scene that with telepathy, he or she can do that, I don't know why we never did that again in the episode. Like, that's a superpower, dude.

Like, you should, if you can just use your brain to make people bleed out of their, parts, then why not do it more? Anyway, I thought that was, in my opinion, I don't think you show that kind of superpower and then you never use it again. So, but it was cool. It was cool. She does use it again because later when she's grappling with Tuvok, she shoots him back using mind control. Like he flies and hits the cave wall. Like, bam. This is when she's interrogating him later after she's captured. Was it mind control? I can't, maybe I sort of didn't catch that moment that it was, that was her mind. Maybe I thought it was physical. Well, I mean, Cass herself wouldn't have been able to take Tuvok and fling him across the, I mean, he flew like 10 feet and slammed

up against the cave wall. But didn't she physically do that? No, because she doesn't have the physical power to do that. Yeah, maybe not. I thought it was physical because of the strength of Tehran inside the body. I didn't know it was mental. I didn't, yeah, I don't know. I feel like it wasn't clear to me then. Okay. That was all a physical. No worries. We're now in the briefing room where Demos, the Altarck's oldest son and heir, is now explaining that Tyrann's consciousness has taken over Kess. He explains this to Janeway and to everybody else in the briefing room. I noticed in that scene in the briefing room that Demas,

who is the visitor to this space, we're all sitting down and he's waltzing around the room constantly. He's moving around as if he owns the place. Like he owns the place, yeah. He's making circles around our briefing room table. And I thought, it's strange. Like, it felt like it was literally just to move the camera because David Livingston wanted that kind of shot.

Yeah. Rather than this character would not be, especially with a captain seated and everyone else seated. Yeah, he's not going to be that comfortable. It just seems strange to me. You're right. There's no way that he's going to walk around there. Like, it's something that he's done a billion times before.

There should be that sort of that sense of unfamiliarity. It would have been, it would have been, better to me if he had been seated at one end of the table and the captain had just been pacing maybe she's the one that paces around exactly just listening yeah he but he's the visitor so it just seems strange to me also the doctor the doctor is in that briefing room scene with his mobile emitter for the very first time after futures end he's in another space on the ship and we never address it we never which i thought was strange like no one ever says you know even a little tag at the end of the scene you know well doc there's your first you know first meeting out of sick bay

how did it feel or something um i thought it was it was just surprising that we didn't address it there also i was thinking about bob picardo the actor being in his first briefing room scene as you know those scenes took forever to shoot because of all the angles they were just endlessly tedious to get through those scenes and i was thinking there's bob he doesn't see say anything. Maybe he had one line. I don't remember. And he had to stand there probably the whole time like we always did. So I thought that was his first experience. Oh, I bet you. Running through his head, he was like, well, my superior schedule where I really don't come to work except for twice a day, twice in each episode, is completely ruined by this mobile emitter. He's now

thinking, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to do what everyone else does, which is sit around and wait, buddy. That's right. It's definitely, it's a drain on everybody. Okay. On the bridge, Kess and company basically have beamed into the main chamber of the Imperial Hall. That's what we find out. Kess takes out all the guards, basically, who evidently have a very slow reaction time. I mean, she just shoots one after another, after, like nobody else shoots at her. It's like, okay. And she kills the Altark, right there. And she takes this talisman that she has. had had she says or you know tyran he says right me the talisman this is something i had this was taken from me and puts it around uh you know kess's body back yeah terran's personality this is where

i get so confused and like wait a minute it's kind of a possession story but kess is still in there anyway um yeah and the talisman this is where i started feeling like it's game of throne's like oh, I see. This is like the sun and the throne and the talism. Yeah. Which to me, that looked more like something that a slave would wear. Like a, like, you know, that thing that clamps around your neck right there. It didn't look very regal. But it is what it is. That is evidently their type of crown that they wear. It's a neck crown. I'm going to call it that. We're now, we're in the main chamber still of the Imperial Hall. And by the way, at the top of that act, So we come back to the next act.

And there's a very cool castle shot that felt like that, that establishing shot of their palace or whatever. And I bet that was a Dan Curry hand-painted matte shot. He used to do a lot of these, you know, kind of a combination of some electronic stuff, computer stuff. Yeah. He would hand-paint a lot of that and scan it in. And that looked like Dan's work.

It was great. Yeah, it looked good. It looked really good. while they're in the hall Tehran expresses his desire to have everything look like his reign

when he was He breaks stuff, he throws stuff and breaks it at one. Amaran is brought in and that's when Tiran gives Amaran an offer, you know, join me or you know basically suffer the consequences.

We're back in the captain's ready room. Demos has chosen to stay on Voyager very wisely. Tuvok and Janeway discussed with demos plans or strategy. We're back in the mess hall and the doctor, is it right? Mess Hall or are we in sick bay? Sick Bay. Okay. I don't know why I wrote mess hall. Yeah, I wrote down Messel. You must have been hungry after you watch this. Yeah, I was. The doctor identifies the transfer mechanism. We find out that it's a cortical implant that was automatically activated at the moment of death. and that basically it enhanced Taryn's neural pattern and sent it out along the peripheral nerves.

The actual transfer took place through bioelectric microfibers in the hand of the recently deceased Tiran. This pattern is transmitted through Kess's nervous system and then into her brain. And that the only way to combat this, the doctor comes up with a synaptic stimulator, which will tap into the implant in Kess's body and then remove the alien neural pattern. So that's the planet. Basically, it's like an implant little thing that's got to have direct contact with Kess's body. And then it can, if it comes in direct contact, it can remove Tiran's consciousness from his body.

The prince wants to attack the, you know, the rightful prince wants to attack. wants to attack, but Tuvok offers to go down alone. He says, no, I think it's better if we, you know, one person could probably get in with this device much easier than, you know, if it were a single individual than a big giant contingent of people. So they're the, the, the Illyrian doctor in a scene right before that, basically tries to convince Tieran, choose another body, choose. a willing host because the headaches that are going on, Tiran is experiencing Kess fighting

him every step of the way. But Tiran loves these new mind powers that Kess has. And that's the main reason why he says, no, I'm going to stay in this body. I don't care. So yeah, so Tuvok comes down and infiltrates the imperial hall. And he places it on her skin. And I guess it's not long enough. I mean, no, it's very quick. He pulls that thing off like it's nothing, right? And captures Tuvok and places him in this cave like prison. But she captures, yeah, they capture Tuvok, but before they find out which guard is Tuvok,

she goes to a bunch of other guards. And it's so funny because they all have these like, these like veils on their face. It's like their veiled princesses. And she's going from guard to guard. like lifting up the veil and no, it's not you, lifting up the veil. And then just before she lifts up the last veil, it is Tuvok, jumps her and tries to put this thing on, but it's not long enough.

Yeah, she's actually lifting up a veil of someone else and Tuvac comes behind her from around, I don't know where he is. Yeah, so she's not actually lifting up Tuvok's veil. Tuvok's already kind of hidden or something. Yeah, he's hidden somewhere. Yeah. Going to the interrogation scene where she's interrogating Tuvok. and my eyes just bulged out when Kess slash Tehran kisses Tuvok.

I'm like, what the heck? I don't remember this. I know. I didn't remember this at all. Yeah, she reads his thoughts and feelings, which I thought was very interesting. She talks about how he's feeling shame for being caught and feeling this or that, which I thought was very interesting with this sort of extra strong. telepathic version that the tyrant character has in Kess's body that she was able to sense

all these things that that Tuvok often feels that he doesn't express and that was a really interesting side of you know learning something about Tuvok that he he does feel these feelings of shame or regret or anger or whatever but he doesn't express them he's able to you know keep them in check so I thought that That was very interesting. Yeah. And then she tries to seduce him and kisses him. And then Tuvok places his Vulcan hands on her.

And they have sort of this telepathic conversation or fight. It's interesting because she brings up the fact, Tiran brings up the fact that you know you've wanted to do this. Like, you know, be with me basically. And then you start thinking, huh, is she really tapping into what Tuvok's thoughts were? or is that was just some ruse to get him to be on her side, you know? I think it was just manipulation, I think. Okay, manipulation, right.

So Tuvok does the Vulcan mind meld, you know. And we hear Kess, the real Kess saying, I'm trying to fight this. I'm trying, help me, help me, help me. And Tuvok says, you know, keep fighting, keep fighting from within. But Tiran eventually regains control over Kess's body and disables Tuvok by throwing. by throwing him into the, throwing him across the room. Is that where you meant? Yes, that part.

Yes. I thought it was physical. No, because if he's, if he's overtaken her body, it's just his consciousness that's in there. His strength doesn't go into her. We do go to the briefing room from here. I think, do we go right to the briefing room? Yeah, we go right to the briefing room where Janeway, Chacote, Paris, Kim, and Neelix. Everybody's sitting so close together.

Why are we all saying so close together? I didn't notice that. Oh, it wasn't. awkward. I thought that again, David Livingston sometimes has, oh, I want to put this lens here. Everybody sit close together and overlap shoulders in an odd, stiff way. It was just oddly, oddly staged, I thought. I didn't have a problem with that. It didn't bother me. But clearly it bothered you, and you saw that. It just felt fake to me. But I did like that Neelix wants to be a hero. He wants to go to the service and help. That was great. Tieran Collins, by the way, when we're in the briefing room, gives a friendly warning. You know, you guys need to get out of here. Like, I could destroy you, but just get out of here because you did save my life. And I'm not a horrible person.

And we do notice the headaches are getting worse. And Tieran refuses to fall asleep, but he still falls asleep at sitting up. And that's in the dream state is where Kess confronts him. And now we're in Kess's quarters. And we realize that this is going to be a battle that will continue. Yeah, this is sort of, this was an odd directorial moment for me, too. I felt like, you know, it pushed into Cass's eye and then it pulls out of Tiran's eye. And now they're in this dream conversation.

But it was still, it was unclear to me that it was a dream conversation. It felt almost like it needed to be much more stylized in the design or the costume or the lighting or the something. It just felt like any other scene. except for the pushing into the eye. Not your cup of tea. Well, basically, Tiran is saved by the Illari doctor. The Illyrian doctor pulls Tiran out of that stupor. And he's like, I could barely pull you out.

And then again, he keeps giving Tiran the suggestion, you really need to choose another body. Tiran flips out and decides, well, time to use my mind powers to make your five, your six nostrils, your eight nostrils, one, two, three, your six nostrils bleed. And so he kills him, clearly. He takes that illori doctor out. And he says, I'm stronger than ever. To an empty room, to nobody there. Yeah, to an empty room. And then we go back to, it's interesting because we keep going from one scene to another scene in the same setting.

So we went from where he kills the alari doctor. And then there's basically a transition to, yet again, inside the Imperial Hall, a scene inside there where Kess talks to everyone and says that, sorry, Tiran, as Kest, says that he's going to marry Amaran to really kind of make his rule legitimate by, you know, marrying the son of the Altark. And Tyrann wants Amaran and Noir to be close. So you have this little side hush conversation where he's suggesting basically a polyamorous relationship. He's like, I want all of us, all three of us to be close. And I thought, oh, look at that. Pushing the envelope there, Voyager with the polyamorous relationship suggestion. Yeah, I noticed that.

Yeah, it gets very confusing a lot of it. the yeah it's polyamorous it's it's very fluid sexually whether it's kess's female body or tyrant's male um subconscious personality or it was just hard to tell what's what and who's who but um but yes there's that suggestion and then i love that we see paris rescuing tuvok um we cut to this cut tovac in his in his cell and the away team begins their attack and there's paris by himself trying to save. I like that, Robbie, because for me, this is almost like tracking from the end of Future's End because of that odd couple relationship between Paris and Tuvok that was

established there. And now they sort of bring it into this episode with Paris saving his odd couple buddy, Tuvac, from prison. So I kind of like that, the fact that you guys were paired up again in this. episode. It was a strange little thing because I come into his cell, get him, and then we go through this cave tunnel, and I go to step over somebody, I assume I knocked them out earlier. Yeah, that's weird. You clearly shot that guy. So why is he conscious again? You know, all of a sudden is strong enough to not only grab me by the leg and trip me, but to engage me

in some fight when I already just took him out moments before. It was an odd beginning to that little action fight sequence, but it was fun to do my own stunts. I always like doing stuff. It reminded me that Friday at work when I was directing for Turner and Hute, we had a stunt man go over and fall and hit the ground, and he broke his collarbone Friday. Oh. And this was a stuntman taking the fall. So when I saw that scene where the stuntman grabbed me and I fell over, I was like, wow. Often as an actor, I would do stunts. I'm not saying it was super brave of me or anything but like accidents can happen and so yeah i i get why sometimes with shows you know when i was an actor i wanted to do all my stunts or i know you did too you love doing your own stunts but they

would tell us nope we've got a stunt double they're going to do this part and you'll just do the you know the close-up part yeah uh because anything can happen so yeah agreed that was a nice scene i like that little rescue Tuvok and then we we go back into the hall and there's Janeway and Neelix and the rest of our team showing up. Chiquote and Demos. Yep. Yep. You guys aren't with them though, right? The attack is just Janeway, Neelich, Chiquote, and Demos. Exactly. Yep. And that's where when I, when I came up with my limerick, one of my lines was Neelix so spry, right? Because this is the attack scene where Neelig's like jumping

on top of the table and I thought he was going to do a forward roll off of that. I'm like, what the heck is going on? But it just, he leads the charge. And I really, I really was excited to see that. That was probably my favorite.

I know, me too. That's my favorite moment in this entire episode. Why? Because this is truly the redemption scene for Neelix after he totally just chickened out in false prophets against the pharynge and he's like oh no don't kill me oh please and it's just like neelix is just charging into the face of death you're right you're absolutely right that's great

we see neelix uh finally uh corner tyron or cass in kess's body and he sets his phaser to stun stuns her and then goes over and puts the uh they put the um synaptic stimulator and the the subconscious is removed but or we think it's removed but what what we didn't realize is in a moment before before that happened the personality was put into ameron ameron thank you the younger prince the hands touched for a split second and i thought wait a minute did they really transfer yes they did transfer right there they transferred very quickly in that split second and they figure that out and they put the device on Amaran's face and he's finally downloaded out of Amaran and everyone else and removed. So Robby, here's the question. Where did Tiran go? Is he inside

the stimulator? I thought he was inside the stimulator that he was removed. Or is he dead? Or is he? Or is he just, yeah, is he gone gone? Is he into the ethos? Is he just scattered amongst the cosmos? What is he? Look at that. I'm already rhyming now. It's interesting. Cosmos. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. I assumed it was downloaded into that thing. So we've got a little here in our in our sick base. He's on a shelf. We go back on Voyager, Tuvok's meditating with Cass. She says, you know, she doesn't think she can go on with her life with everything that's happened. And he's like, you know what? You're not responsible for what happened there. But Tuvok says you are not the same person. And you're going to have to decide. you know, where you go with your life. I thought that was an interesting little foreshadowing, little foreshadowing of Kess's character down the road of, you know, her sort of taking ownership and deciding what to do and all those things.

This is my process with every episode that we recap. Yeah. And I start thinking immediately, what's the theme? What's the theme? And I go through and watch the story and I keep thinking, what's the theme? And really, I didn't have anything to talk about until Tuvok and Kess's quarter when he's meditating with her. And he talks about, you know, how you are no longer the same person and in the course of your life will change as a result. And then the course, the course is up to you,

you know, what direction you want to take it in. And so for me, the theme really is about Kess was in a major traumatic experience. Her brain was being basically taken over by another consciousness, another entity. And she's having to deal with fighting him and just try, trauma all throughout, right? So really, Kess is a victim of post-traumatic stress disorder. It's a PTSD thing right here for me. And I really feel that that, you know, the theme there is how to come to grips with that, how to realize to accept the fact that you are not the same person. Because a lot of times you try to fight that, you know, like, no, no, I'm still who I was before battle before the traumatic experience but no I mean you you have to accept that you have gone through

that and that's the first that's the first step to moving on with your life is acceptance of the traumatic situation understanding that you you know through no fault of your own you were placed in this in this situation and to move on you must accept first So I think that's really the life lesson that I got from this. What about you? What did you find it? My life lesson was power hungry is bad. That's my life lesson.

That, you know, that this sort of hunger for power where you're willing to do anything is just, it's bad. I don't know. So it's a causionary, it's a cautionary tale. like yes of letting your power corrupts yeah power corrupts and you see it in every every phase of life like i mean you it's it doesn't matter what it is what occupation what business that you're in power has always corrupted people and and that is the most difficult thing to step outside of yourself and then acknowledge that oh my gosh i'm changing for the worst That's right. That's a harder task than most people can handle, to be perfectly honest, you know,

because when you're wrapped up in that situation of having that power, you feel like you can do no wrong. And you feel like you aren't doing anything wrong, that you are being a good guy, you know. Like I love how like mafia, like Italian mafioso guys call themselves good guys because they consider themselves good. They don't consider themselves doing bad things. But, you know, so yeah, so a cautionary tale. I think bad guys never think they're doing bad things. No, no. Every character that you play thinks they're doing the right thing. They really do.

For the good of all, right? Yeah, I always felt that as an actor. Like you couldn't play a bad guy. You couldn't play a bad guy who is aware that they're doing bad things. You can only play a bad guy who thinks they're doing what is absolutely appropriate. And that actually goes back to when we were talking about, the guest star that played Resch and how maybe, not maybe, but his performance was so large. It was so big. It was too big that I almost feel that Jennifer in that first scene when she's

in a couple of scenes, I don't feel like she needed to affect that voice. Like she didn't have to get old like that. You know, she could have just, she's the good guy. You know what I'm saying? What we just talked about? Because if you play it that way, then it doesn't. cause you to create voices to sort of match that character. And I felt like Jennifer at times was a little guilty of that where she would fall into that. Well, I've got to have this really resident low voice. But the reality is if you're if you were overtake, if your consciousness is overtaken by somebody else, you're still going to talk the way you talked before you were taken over because it's still your voice. It doesn't belong to that guy. As good of a job as

Jennifer has done in the past and as good of a job as she did in this episode, which is definitely not easy to pull this off, I did feel that there were times that she could have not tried so hard in terms of affecting her voice to make it sound really resonant

or really low, you know? I feel like I remember in filming this episode that Jennifer really made a big leap to play this role, to play this kind of, you know, horrible character, this power hungry, authoritative, you know, intimidating character.

I feel like I remember Jennifer's personality changed a bit as we were shooting it. As I recall, I remember like seeing her, like she was, not that she was in character all the time, but a little bit of that. I remember vaguely like the crew kind of saying, you know, commenting and noticing like, oh yeah, Jennifer's like she's in character today. Really. Jennifer, would you like, wait, would you like a snack from the craft services table? Get away from me!

I don't remember that happening. No, but I think it was a little bit of like people could feel like she had to stay in that sort of power. Intensity? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Ensign Martin dying, the uncredited Ensign Martin and the, I think that brings the total of our crew to like 12 that have died so far. Someone should, someone will do this running count for us.

They're going to go back and get this down for us. But that sounds about right. It's about 12 people that we've lost. We don't have a big ship. So we've got to be careful. Or we've got to start having a lot more babies. And bringing this total up. Anyway, that was great.

It was great to watch. I'm glad it's over. Let's move on to another episode. Oh, okay. Zero to 10. Zero to 10. What's your rating? it's hard because I don't want to

like I appreciate the work that that Jennifer did I appreciate the the thought behind the story and the writing and like I said I often love David Livingston's direction but not this time I would give this a two honestly two out of ten. Whoa! Oh you smack that down there didn't you? Not my favorite. I'm not going to

go that low Robbie. Okay. I can't go low. I can't go that low. I'm going to, I'm going to give it a, I'm going to give it a five. So I'm going to knock it up a few notches. Okay. Okay. That's all. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. For tuning in. Yes. Thank you very much. If you're a Patreon, patron, stick around for your bonus material. And for the rest of you, we will see you next week. When we review the Q and the gray. The Q and the gray is next week? It is. Oh, that'll be fun.

I got a lot to talk about that one. Yeah, I didn't know that was next week, but now I do. So that'll be fun. All right, guys. All right. Bye.