The Delta Flyers - Year of Hell Part II

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Year of Hell, Part 2. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Year of Hell, Part 2:With Voyager almost destroyed, Captain Janeway risks everything to rescue Paris and Chakotay, and stop Annorax from continuing to tamper with the timeline.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, & our Post Producer Jessey MillerAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Becca Stillo, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lucas Shuck, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Joshua McHenry, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Melissa Lau, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, & Paul YoungAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, James Cottrell, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Michelle Maroney, Scott J. Mark, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Joseph Lanning, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, & David J ManskeThank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers. I am your host, Garrett Wong. And of course, my co-host, Robbie Duncan McNeil. Hi, Rubby. Hey, buddy. How are you? I'm all right.

I'm back in Calgary, so I'm wearing my Canadian. I know. I noticed that. Yes. I noticed your Blue Jays hat. I have the Georgia Bulldogs. had on today because oh yeah they were playing today they did they played today they shut down the number eight team Arkansas that is not easy to do to to give the other team a donut a zero wow

we did that with Clemson too not to get too sportsy ballie but yeah we have a good team at Georgia this year so far so good I'm gonna say that I think this might be the year this might that's a lot of people are saying I think I'm not going to say might I'm going to say this is the year because when you let's face it what is the old adage do the defense wins championships we have an offensive no defense is that good to shut out the number eight team in the nation yeah come on they couldn't even score a field goal i mean what they got nothing and we shut down clemson and the opener 10 to nothing and they were the number three team so okay is it your defensive ends who is it who's doing it's the whole defense it's everybody it's teamwork which is about what star trek

is about. It's about teamwork. It's the fact that... Look at Robbie reeling it back in. He's like... I'm telling you. But the Voyager cast, like Janeway says all the time, she's not going to...

She didn't want to split us up and escape pods and separate us because we need to work together. That's how the Georgia defense is this year. All right. So if we're talking about Star Trek, let's just talk about both. Let's talk about each character on Voyager

and what position they would play on this football team. Come on, Robbie. Okay, really quick. It's definitely the coach. She's the QB? He's the quarterback, yeah. She's the QB, okay? So she's the quarterback.

She's in the game. All right. She's in the game. Or no, you know, make her the coach, make her the coach, make Chikote the quarterback because Robert Beltron played quarterback in high school. He was a starting quarterback in high school. So he'll be the QB. Okay.

All right. So what is Paris? What are you in this team? I feel like I'm playing defense in this team. I feel like I'm a. safety maybe is he kind of freelances in the you know on the background so i'm going to all right safety perfect what about harry harry is a uh he's a wide receiver he's a very fast shifty wide receiver so i'll play w i'll be wide receiver okay and then uh maybe slot receiver and then let's go with

um i'm going to say neelix is our running back okay i'm gonna neelix is our running back okay you take that one yeah and uh what are you going to put where are you putting two vok What do you think Tuvok is? I think Tuvok is special teams. I'm going to go with he's the field goal kicker. Okay. That's perfect. I love that.

What's the doctor? What's the doctor on our football team? Doctor. He's the team medic. He's the team medic. He's not even playing. Okay. He's the team doctor.

Okay. He's the trainer. That's fine. Who do we have left? We have Balana. What are you going to put her? Balana would be, I think you go ahead and say your guess.

I'm going to say your guess. I'm going to say she's on defense with Paris, and she's going to be a linebacker. Exactly. I was going to say middle linebacker. So she is the captain of the defense. I'm going to say that. Exactly. And then now we got seven of nine.

Yeah, seven of nine. Interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. I do. I'm going to say she's a tight end. Okay. She'll be tight end. Okay.

So she kind of blocks as well as, you know, she's so she's kind of offense, defense. I mean, she's doing a lot of things. Multi-purpose and very important. She's a multi-purpose. All right. All right. We've staged our Voyager football team. We have our Voyager team.

And for all those that don't know anything about football or care, which is probably most of you. Okay. That was a fun exercise for Garrett and I. Okay. Let's talk about our merch store very quickly. Oh, yeah. That's exciting.

That's exciting. We've got a bunch of restocked items. If you guys want to check out our merch store. Yeah. We've got. It's at, can we give them the web address for that? Yeah. Okay, Delta Flyers.org.org. And you can go to shop or store, I think. I don't know,

whatever you click on shop or store and you'll see it. We got restocked items. What are the restocked items? Let's talk about that. Corona work shirt, which is very popular, sold out. Lots of people asked for it. So we've got new Corona Work shirts. We've got the coffee mug that there's coffee in that Nebula mug that sold out a long time ago. People have been asking about that forever. So everyone's like, one of the mugs coming back in. So those mugs are back. But Robbie, tell us about the new mugs. We even have new mugs. We have a new mug for the Christmas holidays coming up, holiday season.

We've got all, this is a Christmas mug that's got all the Voyager characters in cartoon form, including seven of nine. And it also has Lieutenant Lama from our Christmas story last year. So Lieutenant Lama makes an appearance on the Christmas mug. And just so everyone knows, last year the Christmas mug was only available to the contest. winners. Yeah. We didn't put that up for sale. This year it's a different mug. It's also a Christmas mug. It's a different design with the seven and the llama on there, right? So those are the new characters. And now we are offering this in the shop. So now you don't have to win the contest. You can get it on your own. Okay. Regarding the CoronaWorks shirts, this is a little

bit more tricky. So the first printing of the CoronaWorks shirts, basically it has the logo as blue and then a gray border between the two and then white, okay? And then now we have a revised version, which is blue, no border, what shows through is the navy blue of the shirt, and then silver ink. So we're going to go ahead and have on this site. Version two. Yeah, version two, new and improved, revised version and original version. Okay, so we'll have both of those available.

and just to unveil our newest shirt. Our new shirt is a yes ma'am shirt with a cool graphic sort of representing yours truly. There you go. It's very, you know, it's, I love the graphic because of the way it's, you know, it's so simple. You kind of have to look at it. It's super simple.

And those that know, no, no, that that's Tom Paris. You didn't say it with the same kind of, you know, conviction that you normally say it. So I'm going to do it for you. This is the new. yes ma'am shirt so here we go yes people have been asking for that for almost two since we started they're like that's the tom paris signature phrase and the oh the other thing about these these the merch and all this cool stuff is yeah get your orders in soon for

christmas we're going to have a coupon special that will start today October 18th the day that this episode is dropping for everybody. So when you hear this, now that you've heard all this information, there is a coupon special that you can get. So check our Patreon or social media accounts for details on the coupon and get your Christmas orders in early. So that's news on the store and the items. And just to emphasize, for those of you who've never purchased any of our shirts, we do print them in both unisex and ladies cut, number one. We also print them with the brand that we use is Next Level, which in my estimation is probably the best shirt.

Good quality. It really is. It's super soft. Robbie will contest. I'm wearing a Delta Flyers. I'm printed on Next Level as well, exactly. Super comfy. And for those of you who are clueless about ChronoWorks,

we're like, what is that shirt? It's from Future's End, that wonderful two-parter episode where we go back to Earth, Paris, wear some really, really, really cool clothes, dad jeans, especially. that's actually probably in now, you know, to be kind of dad like, yeah, it's coming back. All right. So that's our, that's our merch announcement. That's so we had to make that. Yeah, so the coupon's coming.

It starts today. Today's the day? October 18th when this episode is out. We're recording this obviously. Oh, that's right. So you're saying it, yes. All right. So you don't have to ask what episode we're reviewing now because it's the part two.

Here we go, part two. You know that, right? Yes, I do. that. I remember that. There's a lot of things I don't remember. I remember that. But do you remember that? All right. So why don't we, why don't we get busy? Let's go watch this episode. And we will be right back with our discussion and review of Year of Hell Part 2. Hey, everyone. We're back. We are back from watching Year of Hell 2. We survived. That was hell. My goodness. That was hell. Oh, boy, Janeway is just, boy, she's, I don't know.

It was very dramatic, this whole two-parter. Very, very dramatic. Let's go through our poetry synopsis of part two. Let's do. Here we go. Here's my haiku. You have a hyacu? Yeah, it's not, I'm not happy.

Hikus are very, they should be very simple. Well, you know what? I kept coming, for the second stanza, I kept coming up with, it was either eight syllables or six. I was like, I can't get seven. So it took me probably 15 minutes to get the seventh syllable is the best I could do. By the way, about our haikus and our limericks and our poetry, I know that some people, they've kind of critiqued our poetry structure and our rhyme and rhythm. I just want to say to people like, we're not poetry experts. We're not poets. we're not poets and most of all we want these to be funny or ironic or so they're not going to be

perfect they're not going to always have the exact amount of syllables the exact you know perfect structure but hopefully they're funny for everybody and we're just having fun so so you're telling me that there are limerick experts out there who are critiquing our limerick who are critiquing our limer and hikus and uh we just want everybody to know like we're not trying to pretend to be actual poets. I just think that's hilarious. I'm so sorry. But you know, what is that, what's that old adage?

No new, what is it? Whether the people talk bad or critique you or not. Yeah, it's still they're talking about you. So that's what that's the, that's the positive there. Okay, here we go. My haiku for Year of Hill Part two, thank you. Here we go. Ships falling apart, Chikote learns about time, Janeway crashed

ship. It's good, but here's the thing I learned from that. This episode has so many parts to it that, like, I don't know how a haiku could capture it because I don't even think the limerick doesn't even come close. Like, there's so much. There's a lot of facets to this, yes. A lot of angles. The plot twist and turns are many.

So it's like I could have completely focused on Chakotay's relationship with Anorax in my haiku, and that's it. you know i could have just talked about those guys mentoring chakotay chakotay bonds with an or whatever but or i could have just talked about janeway and her you know how how many things she had to go through so you're right there's it's very difficult so many to encapsulate facets yeah and and i see how they came from let's do this for a whole season was the original pitch yes to two episodes to cram it all in there's a lot man that's difficult here's our limerick for the year of hell part two voyagers basically a mess janeways strung out from the stress tom's plan will work beautifully

with a helpful krenum mutiny times restored with no effects more or less that's good i like it thank you i like it thank you very much yeah and again i had to get very difficult i had to get mutiny in there because you know that was a key part and i had to get that it was tom's plan because let's be honest tom basically reset the timeline with his talking to oberist and it was tom and his gradual nudging or tom's uh slow but sure this friendship that develops yeah right i mean it's it's you bond yeah i mean i could have this my haiku could have been just paris and oberist bonding right playing that little board game i mean there's i mean the truth is like if you look if you take a step back and you look at like how

How did this all get resolved? Yeah. Janeway's faith in the ship and her team kept them alive, but didn't solve the problem. And Chukotay started going down the dark road with, you know, with his obsession with time. Yeah. He did go down there, but he also, he could still see the big picture. He was still trying to get us out of this situation.

He was. He says, trust me. Let me do it my way. Yeah. All right. So let's start with the first scene where we are, Voyager has been hiding in a nebula. It's very pretty inside there, you know, but the problem is beautiful. It's a class nine nebula.

Yeah. When you're in a nebula, you know, the issue is sometimes gas in a nebula. Gas, yeah, comes into this. It's very gassy. Yes. There's more, there's no more gas in a nebula than there is in Robbie and Garrett. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we have a certain amount of gas that we release, but not as much as a nebula.

No. i'm saying okay so we see harry and uh and uh jane way in the in the corridor and there's gas everywhere and the first thing i thought of was those um the way that this uh special effects guys did the gas and smoke and things on on sets like this yeah was it was liquid nitrogen that they put these tubes all around and then it was they'd turn on these tanks that were as big as a as a person the tank was right you know six feet high or something and they release the liquid nitrogen turn it on or off and it would come out more or less but it was cold super cold oh my god so i saw you guys in the corridor and i was like oh they must have been freezing cold going

through all that smoke yeah but i'll tell you i for me with and we talked about we've talked about this before how now on sets you guys have LED lighting right but back in the day we have that incandescent hot hot lighting so typically all of our sets back then were warm whether or not they were darker or lighter in in in nature they were always warm from any of the lights they use so that liquid nitrogen i was happy that they were using that it was just like cool a cool down the set for me yes thank you and i do remember filming this scene and i do remember how loud how absolutely they're those when they shoot out those tanks they're shooting them out like like a it's like a fire hose yeah it's very loud so you've got to um you've got you've got to

talk louder you got to talk louder and then you end up looping all these things because exactly because you can't even hear it right it's and i and also those masks that's the first time we got to wear those oxygen masks yes it looked like a it looked like a CPAP machine or uh it did it probably was a convert it was a convert it looks like you had sleep apnea machine from home that he converted into our thing. It's what it looked like to me. Janeway Kim do have sleep apnea. Now we know that. Yes. Yeah. So they work on this in this panel and trying to seal this ventilation leak that's going on with the gas, nebula gas coming in. Harry says there's three minutes of oxygen left in their tanks. And Janeway says, can you hold your breath? So then we realize that both Janeway and

Harry have essentially burned their lungs. What's happened to the gas. Chemical burn. And Harry's gone to sick bay to get treated, but not Janeway. Janeway's still on her feet. The doctor is beseeching her. She's running. She's on the bridge now. And the doctor's telling her, you've got to take the time off to come to get healed by me, you know, and you need it. You just need a break, period. And Janeway says, absolutely not. Just inject me with, what is it, nioxone or something like that. It will, yeah, give me a shot. It's a shampoo. No, trioxone. Give me a shot of that, right?

Yes. And he says, nope, doctors are. Oh, he did say, Harry Kim is getting treatments and he's he's you know you were supposed to be in there for eight minutes no more not eight and a half not nine and certainly not 12 minutes 12 that you were in there yeah long anyway she's and I like how Mike Vahar who directed this episode um stage this scene that they were moving around the bridge the doctor was chasing Jane was great you got to see all the damage you got to sort of reset the the situation and he goes he goes doctors orders and she's like Give me the shot. Captain's orders.

Yeah. So you see this sort of Dr. Captain conflict, which is going to come back. Yeah. Later on. Did you notice the view screen was completely. It was like a holodeck or something. Just, you know, yeah, it looked like at first I thought, why are we looking at the holodeck? But in reality, I think what had happened was our standard view screen is really, we can see out, right?

of it. And it also can project an image on there. But because that thing has been completely blown to pieces or shattered, it just looked like there was some type of plating or cover. You know, they just covered it up. And we had just did some random repair. I thought it was, I thought the view screen and I don't know the answer to this, maybe the fans do, but the view screen is not a window looking like when we see stars and we see the view in front of us, it's not a window that's looking out to space. It's a projection. almost like, you know, now that some of these cars have rearview mirrors that aren't really mirrors, it's a camera, it's the image of what the camera sees in, but it's up on a rearview mirror

as if it's a mirror, but it's not. It's a screen coming from the cameras in the back of the, you know, SUV or whatever. Correct. It's a projection, but I think we typically also have some type of plexiglass window there that we project an image on there as well. We can look out because we haven't we had shots where it shows the camera starts from outside of the ship and it comes closer on to where the windows of the bridge are. I don't know if we've had the bridge. I know if you duck your head for a second to the left. Let me look at the image of the ship behind you. Okay.

All right. All right. I'm trying to see if I can see some windows there where the bridge would be. But I always felt that we actually had something that was just a window. You're saying it's just a wall the entire time. I think it's like a holodeck projection. Hmm. That's what I, and that's when I looked behind her.

And I thought, oh, that's the, that's the grid, the holodeck grid that projects everything that we see on the view screen. Hmm. So, I don't know. Maybe that's what it is. That's a great question, though. I'd like to know the answer to that. It was damaged. Whatever, however that engineering goes, it was damaged for sure.

So then we moved to the next scene that's Chucote being grabbed inside the brig of the, alien ship and he looks horrible i'm gonna say he had a porn mustache on i mean he looks horrible yes we talked about this thing it was drawn on it was so bad this this like well it again because this was supposed to be a whole season's worth of episodes they had to encapsulate everything into two all their ideas so right so right so all the scanning the poking and the prodding that choket refers to, uh, we don't see any of that. We just see him, you know, we see him with his, his, his, his, uh, his five o'clock shadow, right. But he's got a, he's got a solid. Yeah, he's got the porn stash. He's got the porn stash. But then, but then the next, you see that for a split

second. Then all of a sudden, he's cleaned now. He's totally cleaned up. And he's wearing a really nice, you know, he looks, he's, he's in Crenum, um, uh, wardrobe. And there's no, there's, he's, he's shit, clean shaven and so they skipped a lot of stuff yeah anorex does say oh do you feel refreshed or you look refreshed or something so i i assume that meant they pulled him out of the brig after all of this testing and now they've given him a shower and let him shave and and he's you know now we're going to try the sweet you know the sweet uh version of oh so good cop now so it was bad cop before now it's good cop but the funny thing is do you remember last episode when we reviewed year of hell part one I was joking about the fact at the end, I said, I said, yes, Tom and Chocote have now been abducted by aliens and they're being probed right now.

And essentially, that is what happened. You were probed. We were probed. We were probed. Protted, poked, scanned for two months. And I love how Anorax calls Paris the, he says, I've never seen such an intransigent young man. So you're entranigent. Yeah, so I had to even look that up for a second.

I'm like, what the hell? Well, that's what Rebecca goes? What is it transigent? I was like, it's stubborn or it's like it's... Yeah, someone who would not see the views of somebody else, basically. Yes. You're just not going to change my mind. No, you're not going to change your mind whatsoever.

So, first I thought I said, intransient, you know, he's in transient? I'm in transit. I'm in transit. I'm in transit. Exactly. So essentially you're a troublemaker, you know, is what he's trying to say, Anna-Rex. Yeah, Paris has a little attitude in this episode. episode, which I liked. Yes. And then you come in, you come in right then after he talks about you

for a bit, then you pop in with your one line looking like, you know, the guy from, oh my gosh, what was that, the Rocketeer, you know, I mean, that's, that's what I saw. By the way, I had like this very low cut sort of, you know, open shirt. It was kind of like a bomber jacket from the Rocketeer. The bomber jacket open with all the chest hair exposed. I didn't look at your chest hair, but it was very, very hairy chest. I didn't realize I had some. I didn't realize I had some. a hairy chest when i was younger i don't tell me you have less hair now i don't think i do as have as much anymore so as you got older you shed your chest hair is that is that does that happen the mcneal clan maybe with the mcneal family maybe it does i don't know but i didn't realize i had so much

chest hair as a younger man yes you're very hair you should have been harry paris should have been yes and i would have been tom kim yes tom kim and harry paris uh yes yes So you, you look good in that wardrobe. I like that wardrobe. I like the wardrobe a lot. I didn't look at your chest here. I was looking at the wardrobe going, hey, he looks good in that. Yeah.

And, and you are, you're just, you're not agreeable to anything in this episode. You were fighting against every, you're grumpy butt. But look, you know what? I came up with the plan. I got it. You did. I take the credit for, you did. I'm going to, we're going to do this.

This, this mutiny idea. And that's the way we got out of it. Let's talk about. the director here. And it's interesting because I've always felt that as a showrunner, wouldn't it make more sense to have one director doing both. But then again, with the way that we shot stuff, we would always have one director that was prepping while the other director was filming. So that's the main reason why we have two different directors in part one and two. But part two, directed by Mike Vahar, who let's talk a little bit about Mike. What were your opinions

of how did you feel about working with Mike? I loved Mike. I thought he was great. I think Mike had been an editor before my memory that's right that's right yeah um i think he was an editor so he he he was very efficient with the way he shot he was very quiet i you know i remember him being soft spoken and very but just very um very editor like wouldn't you say a lot of editors are pretty quiet kind of you know people kind of quiet yeah but i like i liked him a lot actually i thought he was a cool guy and agreed agreed easy to work with yeah and i as i remember he had lived in venice uh at Venice Beach for a long, long time. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, and I was living in Venice. I lived there back when we made the show. So we kind of, Mike and I had a lot of, like, neighborhood spots that we both had in common. And he had been in Venice when it was a really rough area. And I, you know, when I had come in there, it was already starting to change into a much more gentrified, I guess, kind of neighborhood. And then I think by the time we finished.

or Mike had retired near the end of our run. I thought he did a great job in this episode, by the way. He really did. He really did. He did a great job. I agree. So now the scene is every, all these, these amazing dishes are laid forth for you two to eat. And then from his conversation, we anorex this conversation, we then realize that these are all that remain of various civilizations that have been eradicated. That have been erased from time.

Yeah. It says the wine is, is all that's left of a once powerful Malkoth record. race. That was so, gave me that creeps at that point. I was, I was thinking like, oh, my goodness. And then I noticed myself that Tom was eating. And part of me was thinking, I was like, before, before I realized why? But Paris had started eating. And I was like, why was I eating? It feels like a casual thing to do when this scene is about this first confrontation. But then there's a line where he says, oh, Mr. Paris, you're devouring what's left of the Alceron empire. So I'm sure. I'm sure that I had to eat because they wanted him to say that. But I thought, I don't think I would

have eaten in this moment. Probably not. But then I just, the way I validated your eating was you guys have been probed and prodded and, you know, for two months straight. So probably not getting great food, you know, and probably malnourished. And so this is the first time that you've seen good food in front of you. So I assumed that's what it was. But because we don't see that That lead up to this point, we don't see any of those scenes that we don't really get the, you know, it just seems a little casual because you don't see what happened before this. That's, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. You know, Anorax proposed, well, the end of this scene is basically Anorax proposes a deal.

Yeah. Okay. Paris doesn't buy it at all. Paris is like, I'm done. No, forget it. I'm not going to help you. This is ridiculous. You know, how many more civilizations and how many more people are you going to kill?

This is ridiculous. I'm not into this. And Chikote is like, sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down. No, this is no. We're going to work on this together. We're going to just, Mr. Paris, chill out. So that's the end of that scene. And you don't recall shooting it.

Do you remember shooting any of these? As I watched this episode, some of these did come back to me. Like the scene with Oberist, where I'm playing the game. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll get to that once we get to Oberst. I do remember. But yeah, and by the way, he says, Anorak says to Chocote, he says, you know, I, I,

I feel in you this instinct of time, Chacote, that you connect in the same way that I do with the art of time. He starts talking about how Chacote connects. And it reminded me of a book that I read years ago. And I actually was thinking about this book recently. I wanted to reread it. It's a book called Time and the Art of Living. And it talks about time kind of philosophically about this yeah about how the past the present the future like there is no other time than the this moment and then there's no other time than this moment yeah but yet the past and the future are also in this timeline that are all one thing and it's it's very much like this episode like this episode very much like this episode and that book time in the art of living came to mind

as i watched the scene and as i heard him talking about the art of time um we go to the mess hall though in the next scene there is what looks like a dinner party they're sort of toasting and then they all sort of drink this drink and you see everyone's reaction is like yeah oh and you realize uh neelik says he has concocted this thing and he's he's named it the elixir of endurance and i love this is something that we should offer in our store as well yes the elixir lesser of endurance. I love Seven's line when she drinks it and she goes, it is offensive. It is offensive. It literally made me laugh out loud. Can we say that at some point in our lives? You know, we don't like the taste of something. It is offensive. It is offensive. Janeway says to

the group, she wants to go back to open space. They can't stay hiding out here forever. And we need to go back to open space and gather a fighting force. So you see what her, her strategy, is to like confront them and seven disagrees seven says no you know the ship is too damaged we should you know wait until we can get more uh repairs done and then decide and Janeway basically finishes the scene with nope we're we're getting out of here we're leaving tomorrow so that's right that's right but it is a beautiful exterior it's a beautiful you can look out the window there from the mess hall and all you see is that beautiful purple nebula so it is some you know something to look at even though everything else is just you know gone to poop um so yes so she makes the

decision we've got to go and seven is sort of like uh not advisable until we're at full capacity and captain janeway kind of sets sets her straight and says no we're not doing that we're going to go we're going to do this uh we jump over to the corridor and it's a great scene the way the Tuvok lost his eyesight because Seven insisted on staying at that panel when Tuvok said, you've got to get out of here. It's going to blow up. Right. And he protected Seven. So she feels this obligation to walk him around everywhere because he's blind, which is a very sweet detail of both these episodes. True. So, yeah, so Tuvok is being escorted by seven down the dark corridor. And he says, you know, it is inappropriate to contradict the captain's authority.

And Seven sort of doesn't understand this. Yep. Yep. And Tuvok says the captain, just remember, the captain is always right. Always right. And she's like, you even believe that? And he's like, perhaps at the end. He's like, yeah. But still, I love this interaction between the two stoic, you know, non-emotional characters. And people that think that two non-emotional characters in a scene is boring is incorrect. I think it's very interesting. I liked this. I thought it was great. We go back over to Anorax ship and Chikote tells Anorax about this, this rogue comet that

forced them into Crenum space. And he's thinking if they could get rid of this comet, then it wouldn't force them into Crenum space. And then this whole timeline, like they could fix it that way. And so Anorax is like, you think that's going to work? Okay. Run a simulation on that. See what that does.

So Chacote goes over and he runs a simulation on a computer and you see this thing wipe out. Basically, it turns out it would wipe out about 8,000 entire civilizations in that timeline. Yeah, not 8,000 civilizations, not 8,000 people, 8,000 civilizations. Yeah, this comet that Chocote wants to get rid of for his own purposes actually ended up being helpful in starting the evolutionary process that led to all of these. civilizations so he does an anorex says something here again it reminded me in this book he said the past the present and the future they exist as one they breathe together and i love the way he put that it's beautifully written and it reminds me of this book where that talks about the art of time and from a philosophical perspective if if you can imagine that time is one thing so

people who have been dear to us in our lives, dear to me in my life, for example, who have died. When I sometimes think of those relationships, I think about this book because it brings time, all time, into one moment, into the now. And it reminds me that those people who are important to me are still here with me in some way. If time is the past, present and future, breathing is one. Yeah. exist as one so i just love this idea even though i struggle with time travel and timeline stories usually in science fiction some of the way it's described in this episode really made sense to me yeah so anorex is showing chokote the ropes basically and we we learn from this conversation

that anorex has been at it for 200 years yes that's a long time trying to get get the timeline corrected to where he wants it um we jump back to the bridge And the ship is now being bombarded by these, these meteorites. Micro meteor shower. Is that what it is? It says micro meteoroid shower. I've never meteroid. Which is like tiny little, you know, like stones, but they're just hitting the ship, pelting

the ship. And we don't have any shields. No. So Janeway says, you know, what about deflector control? we don't have to we've lost deflector control yes yeah and she says uh you'll find me i'll be in the defect deflector control room and and two bucks says that's a hazard four level you know hazard level four you can't go there and she goes anyway she goes anyway she goes anyway we see her going down the hall we see her open this door and then there's fire inside the deflector control room

um and the the way that we do this just so you know when you shoot fire scenes like this When she opens the door that you see fire in front of the lens, there's just a little fire bar that they put. It's like what you would have on your grill at home. Yeah. It's so funny. And they just stick it on a stand and it comes up in front of the lens. So it looks like from what the lens sees, that there's fire in the whole room and there's the actor pretending like there's fire everywhere. Yeah.

And there's lights usually interacting on their face to make it look like there's a lot more flames. It's usually just a little bar in front of the lens. And that's all that's there. Yeah. There's no danger to Kate Mulgrew whatsoever. Yeah, she's not going to get burned. Don't worry. But I love how after she sees a fire, she looks around and she's like, okay.

And she picks up a little piece of rubble as a shield. So she picks up basically a piece of cork board is what it is. And she decides to go through and run into that room. Runs into the fire. And then Harry talks through what she's doing. So we go back to Harry there. And he's basically, so we don't. see her dealing with this fire we just hear him saying she's doing this she's doing that right and

then when we finally cut back to her she's laying on the floor well well before we cut back it's dead quiet we don't hear anything from her oh yeah so they were like oh boy and then it cuts back to her on the floor totally burned a disfigure unconscious looking and yes so that must have been a pretty big makeup job because huge yeah um big time and then um so the doctor is basically treating her in the mess hall triage area and we find out that she has suffered third degree burns to 60% of her body and the doctor you know after long conversation it's still the power struggle between the doctor and janeway is happening insisting this time he's insisting yeah and he says i forget what he says but basically like you've you've had you know uh crisis fatigue syndrome or whatever he called

it i forget what he called it but he's like i think he's called i think he said traumatic stress syndrome is what he said yeah that sounds right yeah um and he says you know i have the power to relieve you of duty captain as the chief medical officer and he's and she says and then i will dis i will turn off i will deactivate your program oh okay um and then she apologizes though right so at least she felt bad about that she's still going to go and so he says okay i'm going to relieve you of duty and he says talks to the computer. Yeah. And then she's like, what are you going to do?

How are you going to enforce this? There's no brig. There's no brig. There's no, my chief security officers injured. There's no security detail. There is a security officer, but he's blind. He's going to find me. How are you going to enforce this?

Yeah, it's not going to happen. And she says, I'm out of here. And he even says, the doctor even says, you could be court-martialed when we go. If you survive this and if we go home, you were doing something that is very, very against Starfleet protocols. Exactly. Exactly. So the next thing we see on the screen day 207 at this point. Oh, yes. And we see Janeway walking down a corridor with Nielix. And they're assessing the ship damage. And it's a corridor walk. And they end up at Chikote's quarters. And she walks inside. It's really damaged. You see this kind of tender moment. She's looking around. And then

she sees the music changes too you hear it it gets all like it gets all j see emotional music yes j c shipper and uh she sees the pocket watch that he had tried to give her for her birthday it's lying on the floor and she says wow he disobeyed orders he didn't recycle this watch yeah and there's not a scuff on it that's what's so funny it's it's pretty shiny everything else is yeah everything everything everything else including everyone's faces is cover with soot but this pocket wall watch is pristine there's nothing but it's a sweet moment it was it is a sweet moment it was one of those moments i thought was very poetic and very very you know sweet and i like that's the stuff about this episode that i really like these kind of moments um and i love how she puts it on her hip

and sort of ask neelix like hey what do you think how does it look yeah now that's her good luck charm yeah from her chikote exactly her darling chikota so we're now in the crinum time ship which is i think we're in maybe a public space or something like that. It's not anyone's, maybe it's like a lounge or maybe it's somebody's quarters. Yeah, lounge or could be over. Actually, I don't think it is public space because they wouldn't be talking. Yeah, they wouldn't be talking like that. So it's over his quarters. I think so. He's he's the first officer. So clearly he's got some pretty big or decent size quarters. Yeah. And this is the scene. So we come into Paris and Obris playing some kind of game. It looks like checkers. It's like a board game. Some kind of board game and futuristic Chinese checkers.

Yeah, and Paris wins. Just as we come in, he's like, chick, chick, chick makes the move. It was, okay, I win. And Oberst says something like your endgame sequence was the same one favored by my brother. Right. It kind of takes a moment that you can see he's moved. And Paris even says, well, the quote a long lost friend of mine talking about Tuvok, it seemed like the logical move, which I thought was a nice little thing.

So in this scene as I was rewatching it, All of a sudden, a lot of things did come back to me. I remembered filming this scene. I remember playing this game because we were making up some game that didn't exist, obviously. Yeah. And I remember having long conversations with John Loprino, who played Oberist, because John, and I didn't remember this last week when we watched the part one. He was, when we were filming this episode, doing these scenes, we realized that we had both

been on ABC soap operas at the same time. all my children he was on one life to live and those studios were only a block apart oh my gosh so we would we our paths would uh cross all the time and he was uh on one life to live with a very good friend of mine named Doug Wirt. I'm still friends with to this day and uh John Loprino yeah so I remember having a lot of like ABC soap opera from the 80s conversations with him when we were filming this scene yeah um yeah he played had a little bonding with him cord roberts i looked it up but he played in one life to live but anyway uh so oberst is in the scene he's haunted uh by celebrating the birthday of his brother because he realized that he's celebrating birthdays of dead people and

people who never existed and he feels horrible and there's a moment there where you see paris sort of respond and paris goes you know takes a long pause and says i am so sorry and it was a really sweet I thought, I really liked that scene a lot. I did too. I did too. Now, my question for you was, was that game or that last move made up by you? I think so. Yeah, I think the props guys, so it was, I think John Nesteritz or Charlie Rousseau probably on set were props guys.

And I think they sort of had an idea in mind. But I think it was me and the director. We just kind of said, all right, how many moves do you want? And yeah, we didn't really figure out what the whole game, how the whole game works. But yeah, I seem to recall head of props was, was Alan Sims. Alan Sims was the head. But he usually wasn't on set. It was usually Johnny Nesowitz or Charlie Rousseau.

Right. But the times that he was on set, I recall, you know, anyone from props, whenever we had something new to work with, they would say, well, you know, you could do this. And they would show us like, okay, if you. ideas around yeah some ideas or you could try this and so they so we were from what i recall we were never ever given like you must move this this way and then to the left and then five degrees to the right nothing precise like that it was always the props guys were like look this is what we constructed um this this part of the prop moves like this this this does this and if you want you could do something like this or you could do something like that and then i think the actor was left up with the final decision

which is so rare because you know we never got to change the lines we never got to do We were so locked into that script. And so to have a little bit of freedom to be able to do something different with the blocking of something that's a prop was kind of nice to have that. You felt you were being creative at least. Yeah. And making it make sense in the logic of the scene, you know. It was nice that they gave us props and gave us the freedom to sort of figure out moves

that would make the most sense. And yeah, so I thought that was great. Paris now tells Chakotay. In Chakotay's quarters. In Chakotay's quarters, he comes in. He says he's got a plan that the shields of the ship are very weak. And if you can just take this core offline, conventional weapons would easily take this ship. So Chocote says that he wants to solve this problem.

If he can just figure out the right calculation, he can solve this. And he and Paris start getting into an argument. Paris is like, this crew is ready. to mutiny they've been doing this for 200 years and that's the other weakness yeah the crew is a weakness the ship is a weakness like why are you trying to solve this like anorax yeah um you know i made the note that he's chikote's starting to sound like anorax already i don't remember if paris literally said that as a line but right clearly you start to see chikote sort of going down the anorax road of he can he can get get the you know saved voyager with

with the right calculations and correct and paris says like you know what i'm just going to do my own thing and then that's when chicote goes no no no no no you that's this is an order is an order and then then you were like being the smart alec that you that paris is he's like oh really you're going to take away my rations while we're here what are you going to do and then choket goes no no if you disobey we're going to have to handle it the old settlement way we're going to have to throw down is what it is and i started laughing so hard just imagining chocote and paris in a fist fight. I'm like, oh my goodness. Well, they have some history, you know, that they, you know, there is. There is. When they, we first got on the ship, there was definitely tension there that

never really got resolved. So there's tension. There's stuff there. Yeah, he says we'll settle our differences. The old-fashioned way. And then before anything, anyone can respond beyond that, an alarm goes off. That's right. And we cut to the bridge of this time ship. And they're preparing for a temporal incursion to eradicate the. Ram Azad, this planet, this species called the Ram Azad. And he basically fires this temporal weapon and it destroys the planet. Or it's a total erasure of that species. Gone. And he does it. And Paris says, is this what you call enlightened? You know, he says to Chiquotay. And Paris also says to Chiquotay, if you don't do something about this maniac, I will. So this thing, this thing,

attention is still there and Paris still believes they've got to take this into their own hands and trying to play nice guy and play along with him is not going to work. But that's not resolved yet. And Chukotay goes into Anorax's quarters. Actually, I would say that would be Anorax's ready room because it's right off the bridge, right? Yes. So. Yes.

And he confronts him. He's like, you didn't have to take that at that planet. Why'd you do that? Right. And then we find out through the conversation that it's all about trying to, to get kiana prime back this one colony yeah right that's the whole this is what's been driving anorax for 200 years keanu prime yeah i just love that they named it after keanu raves it's kianna instead of kiannu it's not a new but if if you want to call a kianna you can't i'm gonna

kiana fine i'll switch to your side uh but chikote knows this is about kianna prime and he says what did you lose like what what is it yeah because he's done the calculation so he's kind of down that anorex road he's in the an around you know team anorex a little bit and and anorex says it with his wife his children his grandchildren um his whole future was erased it was all erased and he's trying to fix it and he also talks about time having moods which i thought was interesting well yeah the the personification of time by anorex is very interesting it's a time has become a person. It's become an individual that he's dealing with, right? And I, and that final line that he says, that only time can pronounce judgment against me. So time itself. And he talks

about time getting angry, too, being angry at him, you know, so everything is, is, is now personified, which is very, very interesting. And, you know, and also just, I just want to say, man, you guys have free run of the ship. I mean, after being confined in court, they really trust us. Well, they probed you guys for so long. Then they were like, you know what? That's fine. They can just have, they can get their own quarters. They can walk around.

They can do anything they want. They can have all the food they want. Yeah, it's a little. It's a big, it's a big jump. It's a big jump. But see, if this was a year long worth of episodes, it wouldn't have been a big jump. Well, I would have seen the gradual procession. Because it had to happen so fast, I think the way that they rationalize that is that

Chocote is really befriending anorex. Like, you know, Anorax and Chocote feel like they're in sync. And they both respect each other and they both admire each other. Yeah. It's clear that, you know, this is the bromance. This is the Chocote, Anorax bromance, for sure. So we go from that scene with Anorax and Chocote. And now we're with Paris in Chucote.

In Chocote's quarters. In Chocote's quarters. And Paris is pissed. Oh, so much arguing going on. And Chacote is, you know, kind of rationalizing. in the beginning and you call you paris says to chicote that anorax is insane and then chocote immediately counters no not insane wounded may be tortured right so he's still on the anorex defending anorafending he says he says yeah anorex lost his family and then paris responds we've lost

our family yes yes like sure he lost his family we lost our family our voyager family and that's when And Chikote finally listens. That's the click. Yeah. That's the click. That is when the light switch gets turned on and that's when Chikote says. Okay. Tell me what you got.

Send a message. Yeah. Tell me what you got and then send a message to Janeway. Tell her where we're at, right? So. And Perez says, he says, okay, I'll tell you what's up. I talked to Oberist and Oberst says we can use this communicator. He can open a communication channel.

We can send a message to Voyager. Right. And, and you can send it from your own quarters. Yeah. He said it from her own quarters. And Paris says, you know, so we'll send a message to Janeway if she's still alive. And Chacote is like, oh, she's alive. Oh, yeah.

She's, he's so sure she's alive. And to the J.C. shippers, when you're in love with somebody, you can feel if they're alive. This is what I'm saying. And then Chacote says, okay, go send, send Janeway a message. And I start, Paris starts to leave. And he goes, oh, and Tom, he says, give Catherine my best. another like between the oh she's alive and give her my best what are the fans supposed to think like the writers wrote this yeah like there's some special connection in the watch the pocket

watch and she's going to wear it and yeah i don't know it's just yeah i don't know how the writers did not put them together well yeah and the best the subtext is my love give her my love not my best Okay. So now we have an exterior shot in space and we see Voyager and then we see four other ships. We see two ships, which we learned to be Nehydron ships and two Mawesi ships. Now, if you remember, when we read the Netflix synopsis, they talked about an armada, an armada of ships. I was picturing hundreds of ships. Yes, including Voyager, that's a quintet. That's four alien ships. And then later we learned there's a third ship that pops in there. So there's six ships that come against them, but we don't see that in this exterior shot.

So somebody screwed up in terms of getting the right number. Yeah, I mean, well, not only the Armada, but it should have been six ships on screen instead of the five right now because later they refer to as six ships coming against the time ship. And Armada. And then Janeway talks about the fleet. Again, a fleet or Armada is dozens of ships, right? Or maybe hundreds of ships, not four or five or six. for six. It was a little skimpy.

A little skimpy armada. We go on to the bridge. Janeway is telling everybody that she's analyzed this transmission, this communication. It is real because Paris sent this code, whatever the Starfleet code that is kind of super secret and couldn't possibly be anybody else. So he sent this message. It's real. And when they're in range, he will take the core offline and then they can disable the ships, basically.

So she says to Harry and Balana, you guys arm the temporal. shielding. Torres expresses her concerns, which Janeway sort of says, no, it's okay. And then in private, Tuvok expresses his concerns. That maybe she should abandon this ship. Yeah, this survival. The odds of success are marginal, he says. Right. And then I thought, this is a really interesting parallel, because now you have Janeway speaking to Tuvok, and there is a personification of the Voyager ship. Yeah, he says, she's, I love this line. He, they, Tuvok has a line. line. He says, quote, I have never understood the human compulsion to emotionally bond with inanimate objects. Yeah. This vessel has done nothing. It's an assemblage of bulkheads,

conduits, and tritanium, nothing more. And he really just lays it out there. Like, this is just a thing. Yeah. Like, and she says, she feels as close to Voyager to the ship as any other member of her crew. She personifies this ship. Yeah. And not unlike Anorax. personifying time you know it's it's the same thing it's just the other thing that came to my mind when she was talking about she feels as close to voyager as any member of the crew yeah i remember when we first started this show and we had that lunch over in the at the commissary dining room yeah and i feel like i remember whether it was to all of us at the whole group or whether it was just to me in a side conversation with rick berman or one of the writers or someone but they said something like i think it

was rick he said you know this the star of this show is the ship it's not the actors it's the ship and when i heard this description of well this vessel is nothing more than a assemblage of bulk as con was tritanium nothing more and then janeway defending it going no this is this is just like a crew member my mind went to oh that's like what rick said it's like a cast member it's not only like a cast member it is the staff the cast member the voyager is the star according to that conversation before we started filming the show and then it's probably the captain is the co-star and the rest of us are just like you know uh from a writer's point of view i said this is what i got from that comment and at our lunch that time is like all of you are sort of

dispensable and you serve the ship and the ship is the star okay which i thought was a really i don't recall him saying that so this might have been aside to you yeah that's what i'm thinking i just remember that conversation about all of you human characters deliver your lines less emotional and very military yeah to make every all the aliens look real that's what i recall yeah which some people have disputed me on that but i'm going to stand by my guns on that one Well, I thought it was just interesting that in the writing, they sort of supported the same idea that this ship is a cast member, whether it's the star or not, I guess, is debatable. Well, and Brandon being the star protégé of Rick Berman, that would make sense for him to, since he wrote this episode, right? I also really want to say, I love this moment where she hugs Tuvok and there's a long, really meaningful hug.

And then you see Tuvok's hand come up slowly and he hugs her back, which is great. Yeah, it was a good moment. And then seven stepping in, you know, very sweetly to take Tuvok away. And then Janeway walks around to her chair and the camera kind of moves around as she gets in front of her chair. And then she looks to Chakotay's chair, his empty chair, and checks the watch that she's got on her hip. Yeah. And I thought, oh, it's awesome. And then the camera pulled back with her.

her just sitting alone on the bridge. She's going to do this by herself. Great shot by Mike Shahar, great concept from the writers, just all around that whole scene in that moment, which is so well for me. Now, you know, the battle scene now that comes up, it's a little confusing to me because all the ships have been equipped with temporal shielding. Okay. So typically, that means we are impervious to that weapon that they have, right? But yet as we start, the battle the two um the hydrogen ships you know they they take a couple of shots they peel off and as they're flying away for a second they're they're about to come around for a second pass and that's when the time ship fires and they're just they're gone it's like well those shields did nothing

it was like what did you how did you interpret that part yeah i guess i did interpret it that was the temporal weapon working on them right but they had temporal shields evidently so because they talked about that before so that shouldn't have worked so effectively on them. But regardless, then the tension is up there because now we can see they can just take people out so quickly. And Janeway is now getting a little nervous. And she's like, well, I'm still waiting for Mr. Paris to deactivate the core. And we see Tom in this room typing away on the smallest keypad I've ever seen. But that's what's so funny to me because it's so tiny. And the, the, the, the, the, um, it's on the The stakes are so high, but yes, but the stakes are so high. The stakes are so high and he's back at the game table.

Yes, it's like, it's the size of a tricorder or small. Do you want to do? Okay, this is the, this is the, this is the metaphor is it or the analogy I'm going to say. It's sort of like somebody, somebody needing something typed up to get to meet a deadline for a newspaper. And they cut over. They're like, look, we've got, we've got two minutes left and we got to get the story done. And they cut over to the to the, to the junior copyright. guy and he's typing on the typewriter one finger at a time that's what it looked like to me i'm laughing going like oh my god the tension is so high but paris has to be slow about it because it's so tiny you can't really go fast on a tiny tiny little console insert of his fingers on and you saw like six letter alien letters and that was about like what combination of these six letters could you possibly like how long can you type on this little tiny thing no so thank god thank god God Oberist, who did ABC soap operas with you, he saves the day. He's like, with a real typewriter.

He's just with a real keyboard. Yeah. So he's the one that just ends up deactivating the core, not Paris, because Paris is too slow on the tiny console. And he beams you and Chakote over to one of the Mawesi ships, not Voyager, one of the Mawesi ships. Yeah. Which is, again, it's all Paris is doing. to convince him that he needs to mutiny now. And so that was really the saving grace for this episode.

Again, Paris saved the time. Paris saves the day. He saved the show. We would have been dead. The ship would have been destroyed. Because in a moment, conventional weapons are armed. They start firing. Yeah.

And there is a great spaceship collision with one of our- One of the Moise or one of the hydrant. Yeah. It kind of comes sideways and collides into Voyager and you see Janeway crawling across the debris on the floor and the view screen is now wide open to space like the ship has come apart and you just see a bit of a force field holding you know the the oxygen inside because it's wide open to space yeah and she uh sets a collision course with anorex's ship and that's a gamble you know she doesn't know that this is

going to work right but she tells everyone else disable your temporal shields because when this thing blows you you want to make sure that you're not shielded from it you want to be you want to you want to you want to be part of the reset of this timeline yeah she wants to restore and reset history yeah yeah i love when she gets in position to collide to to to take that uh you know that moment she says times up times up but it's like two sentences like it's very true matter it's so it's great great great reading. I do like, just to go back a little bit, I do love the beam out effect that the Crenum, the Crenum beaming transporter technology does. It looks totally different from what we

used, you know, whenever you see Starfleet, a transporter working, it's a different effect than the Crenum one, which it should be, right? It shouldn't look exactly the same. So I kind of like the Crenum beaming effect. So Janeway goes Kamikaze and it does save the day. It does save the day it resets everything right we see and we see his little um his little altar with his wife's hair we see that crash in slow motion which is funny because we didn't often use slow motion and in this season season four of our our show is the first time now i feel like i've seen this twice maybe three times some slow motion which we never used hardly no but notice the other time that it was used was in year of hell part one when jane way's cough licking

coffee. Oh, yeah. Remember? And so that was slow-mo and it breaks. So this was sort of like the bookend slow-mo breaking thing, right? So that's, that was the theme, I think. That's right. Yeah. So we crashed the ship and all of a sudden we cut back on the bridge and it's a repeat of the other scene before we went, we ran into Crenum space a couple episodes back. Right. We go right back to the same dialogue. We see the same guy. We run into the same guy. And this time he says, you know, this is disputed territory. I would advise you to go around it. Which we do. And Chikotay's like, sure. Sure. Let's plot the cornice. Let's go around it. And so all of this is avoided. No one has any, no one has any recollection of what just happened,

correct? I mean, nobody, isn't that how you you get that, right? I mean, that's it. I mean, once it's been a race, you don't even know that the currentum even, at least, at least, anorex you don't know the anorex existed that's all gone well anorex we we cut to this tag here where anirax is back on his on kianu prime yes and he's doing he's working hard because he's a workaholic yeah and his wife comes in slightly creepily i will say i was like why is she being so weirdly smiling and like what's up but she comes in and she's like it's a beautiful day out why don't you you know stop working and come outside and he takes a month moment. And then he goes, I suppose that I can make time. And he gets up and walks away. So

yes. Yeah, loved it. Loved it. What would you? What would you? Oh, my stars. Yeah. How many stars? Out of 10 stars, how many would you give it? I'm going to give it seven. I'll give this one seven. Okay. I was giving this a seven and a half. I think I gave it more. I gave the last one a six and a half. Six and a half. And you were seven, I think on the last part one. Right. So I Can I stay with mine? I went up a whole point on this one because I thought I thought the idea of time, how it was explained was I loved Anorax's sort of his philosophical approach to it. I like that Chikotay could sort of connect with that in some ways.

I love to see this character, this idea of Janeway sort of going down with the ship. And I don't know, this one was a little more epic and a little more emotional than the first. The first one I felt was a big setup. That's why I give it a six and a half. This felt like a payoff at seven and a half. What about you? You said seven? I'll say seven, yeah.

It stays pretty consistent for me. Yeah, about the same as before. It's a good episode for sure. What is your overall theme or your lesson from this? My theme was make time for the things that matter. Okay. That's my lesson I got out of there. Because he was haunted by, Anorax was haunted by the fact that he,

have lost the time yeah yeah he lost the time with his family and wanted to get it back um you know oberus was haunted by the fact that he's sort of celebrating these birthdays of people who are gone you can't you know there's no more time with them so uh make time for things that matter yeah that's my lesson what about you good i think um i think a couple things i think it's a cautionary tale The cautionary tale part of it is, you know, in that conversation between Anorex and Chukotay, Chichote was telling him, you didn't have to take out that planet, you know, and these are, and Anorax responds with, that's one civilization. You have to understand, you know, I have the power to control everything.

That's one, oh, it's only one civilization. And Chucote is like, yeah, but even one civilization, even one person matters, you know what I'm saying? The causinary tale that I'm talking about is that when you get used to eradicate, Civilization after civilization. Yeah. You're numb. And the parallel could be someone in the military. You know, if you're used to killing somebody, the enemy over and over again, like it's nothing.

Another death is just like, oh, well, you know what I'm saying? So the cautionary tale is you lose your humanity when you, if you're not careful, it's very easy to fall into this thing where you're just like, it's just another life, whatever, you know? So that's the cautionary tale part of it. part of it. And so I guess the lesson really is that all life is valuable. All life has all life has meaning, you know, every, every individual, every organism, every living organism has meaning and has value and should be cherished. You know what I'm saying? It shouldn't be so trivial. But if you've been too, if you've been doing it for 200 years, I guess trivial is the name of the game, you know. And so I just think the overall lesson is just to realize that every single life is, uh, has

purpose and meaning nice i like it okay that was fun that was fun what is next week next week we will be tackling random thoughts nice random thoughts is kind of like the tom paris fan club from back in the day called random flight this is a close cousin of the fan club yes so at your fan club meetings they should only show random thoughts as an episode for the random flight yeah it's the only episode you watch there you go thank you everyone for tuning in this week and once again next week random thoughts will be the episode that robbie and i will review all of our patreon patrons please stay tuned for your bonus material thanks everybody see you next week see you soon