The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett - Moment 118 - The Ultimate Gift YOU Should Be Offering Each & Every Friend: Simon Sinek

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

In this moment, the best selling author and inspirational speaker, Simon Sinek, discusses the honour of being able to serve a friend in need, why people are having quarter life crises and why we should ignore the targets set by social expectations. Simon believes that more often than not when people are in a crisis they don’t want solutions but for some to let them vent and sit in the mud with them. He also discusses how too many young people are worried about wasting time in their careers and life, trying to keep pace with arbitrary targets set by societal standards. Instead, Simon believes we should ignore the noise and stick to our own sense of purpose or ‘why’ in life. Listen to the full episode here - https://g2ul0.app.link/9qIgVbhepBb Watch the Episodes On Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/%20TheDiaryOfACEO/videos Simon: https://simonsinek.com https://twitter.com/simonsinek?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Quick one, just wanted to say a big thank you to three people very quickly. First people I want to say thank you to is all of you that listen to the show. Never in my wildest dreams is all I can say. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd start a podcast in my kitchen and that it would expand all over the world as it has done. And we've now opened our first studio in America, thanks to my very helpful team led by Jack on the production side of things. So thank you to Jack and the team for building out the new American studio.

And thirdly to Amazon Music who, when they heard that we were expanding to the United States, and I'd be recording a lot more over in the States, they put a massive billboard in Times Square for the show. So thank you so much, Amazon Music. Thank you to our team. And thank you to all of you that listened to this show. Let's continue. I don't wait for the phone to ring. I call a friend and say, do you have a minute? Can I talk? And if a friend is ill-equipped, they start fixing, I'll interrupt the conversation and say, listen, I love you. This is not what I need right now. I love you. I love you. I'm going to get off the phone right now, okay? Because when they go into fix-it mode, it actually makes me feel worse

sometimes. The friends that are some of the best-equipped people are folks in the military. You know, they know how to manage shit better than almost anybody I know. I've cried with more people in uniform than I've ever cried with people in suits. And the way that we talk to each other, like, I have a friend who's a general.

I've known him for a million years, so it's been fun to watch each other, like I have a friend who's a general, I've known him for a million years, so it's been fun to watch his career. He's now a general. And when we say goodbye to each other, we say, I love you. And when we get on the phone with each other, if it's been a long gap, he'll say to me, hey man, first of all, he calls me brother. Hey brother. Right.

Which means something. Hey brother, I really miss you. And he says things that a lot of guys don't say to each other. He talks to me like sometimes I talk to my female friends. It's full of emotion. It's full of honesty. And there's no machismo whatsoever. And yet he's a warrior. He's a combat veteran. And he'll say, hey man, I miss you. It's been a while. I go, yeah, I miss you too. And then we'll get off the phone and he'll say, hey, I love you. I'll be, I love you too.

I'll talk to you soon. And though he will, I would, I mean, he and there is a small group like him. You know, I would call him in my most, in my darkest times. And I know he would call me. I have another friend and he's going through some shit and I'm honored that when I called him up and said, Hey, I haven't talked to him. What you've been going through? You know, I just realized I haven't talked to him in a while and I went, Hey, what have you been going through? And he just let it all out. And I could hear the frustration. I could hear the pain and I didn't try and fix it. I just encouraged him to keep

talking. What else? Go on, tell me more. What else? Oh my God, that must, that's really, go on. Yeah. What else? And just sat in the mud with him. And it was an, it was an honor. I'll tell you, it was an honor that he felt comfortable enough to do that because I guarantee it. He, like so many, are really good at hiding it, faking it, suppressing it. He's a pro. In fact, I'm sure he is where he is partially because he's a pro.

And if you have the skillset to hold space for someone, you will have an amazing sense of gratitude that your friends trusted you and loved you enough that they would go there in front of you. And I think that's a standard that we should strive for. Like I said, we're also preoccupied with ourselves. You know? There's no greater honor.

There's no greater honor. There's no greater honor than being able to serve a friend in need. When I see, you know, a friend sees you sat in the mud, a friend sees me sat in the mud, their ill-informed love reaction is to try and get me out of the mud, right? Of course. Well-intentioned. I don't knock it. I know it's well-intentioned. How do I get out of the mud? The reason I asked that question is

because I know there's someone listening to this right now who is sat in the mud. In many respects in my life, I'm sat in the mud. The thing we're all looking for is we want empathy in the fact that we're sat in the mud, of course, but we're desperate for a way out of the mud, right? That's understandable. Where does the plan come from? How do we get out of the mud? So if it were a prescription, you and I wouldn't have to work anymore.

On the subject matter of loneliness, because it's easier to focus on. Right. So I think in large part like any cooperative effort like any relationship and a friendship is a relationship right um uh having colleagues is a relationship um in some part it's it's it's it's um co-created right you know you want to show up in any kind of relationship, professional or personal, and make it a co-creation. And I think when somebody first calls you, I don't think they're looking for solutions.

They're looking for companionship and catharsis. They're just looking not to feel overwhelmed. And at some point, you can either ask, can I offer some pointers? You're not ready for that yet. No, I'm not ready for that yet. Versus, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Or the person will ask themselves, you know, what do you think? What do you think? How do I, like, what do I do? You know? Or I'll know what to do, but I don't want to do it. Like, I know what to do. I just need to do this. And the person can just say, I'll do it with you. And just offer, again, companionship. Most of us, believe it or not, have more knowledge about how to get out of it than we think because we've dispensed the advice in the past. Probably. I think most of us have a sense. Again, I think part of it is allowing ourselves

to feel the feels. I think if I suppress the feelings, they would last longer. But allowing myself to feel the feels, I think if I suppress the feelings, they would last longer. But allowing myself to feel the feels, I know is part of the solution. Like if you try and suppress feelings, it's not good. You know what I mean? There's signals, right?

There's signals. They're just signals, that's all they are. And maybe they're telling you other things. Like maybe all of my loneliness is telling me, is like, Simon, you idiot, just get some sleep. Maybe that's all it's telling me. Maybe I'm feeling lonely is because I'm just fricking exhausted. Turns out I've been sleeping better and turns out I feel better. You know, maybe I've been eating crap, you know, maybe I'm full of frigging sugar and fat. The social expectations play a role. I am this age and i should be this

by now oh um i think i think that i think we we have to say yes right and like the midlife crisis is a known thing and you sort of expect you know you hit middle life and you're like all right you're gonna start evaluating everything you know you're receding all right, you're going to start evaluating everything. You know, you're receding hairline, you're sagging body, you know, you're in a new comedians joke about it. We joke about it. But I, I think the new thing is the quarter life crisis. You know, the number of friends that I have that are in their mid twenties or, or like barely pushing 30 and they are suffering all the things that somebody in their midlife would suffer. And their evaluation is different. It's not like, oh my God, I'm closer to the day I'm going to die than the day I was born. It's not that. It's more like, oh my God, I'm at this age

and I haven't achieved all the things I said I was going to achieve, or I'm just getting started, or I'm, and they, and I, and I think now the quarter life crisis is like a real thing. And unfortunately, older generations scoff at it, you know, but I think it's based, that is very much societal expectation. Like I'm supposed to be here. Like the number of young people I know who I say, you're entry level. Don't worry if you're running the place yet. Just even if this is a bad job, if it's toxic, get out. But there's very few jobs that are super toxic. If you just have a bad boss, stick with this and learn. The learning you're going to get from a bad... My first boss was a

bad boss. And I was there for a year and a half. And it was one of the best educations I got. And by the way, the camaraderie that I built in my team, because we all shared the same bad boss, was amazing. So I learned teamwork. I learned having each other's back. I learned people taking care of each other. We learned how to manage and how not to do things. I didn't just abandon it because my boss was bad. My point is, is when I say stuff like that to young people, they immediately interpret that as the worst advice ever because I'm wasting time. Or take a gap year. I can't.

I'm wasting time. Like wasting time from what? Like what race are you? Who are you comparing yourself to? What standard? Like, you know, I won't achieve the thing by what? Like what imaginary scale are we working on here? But there is this very clear imaginary scale by which younger people, young people are pegging their life against. And the only thing I can offer is my own experience.

And I know it's the worst thing to do because when you're in it, you're in it. Nobody can think that far ahead. And it's fun to think about, right? Because I remember when I was young in my career and things were just starting to move, there was this one guy I used to go to for advice who was very much more successful than me, really buttoned up, really sort of, you know, operations oriented. And he would constantly give me advice that either he was basically either telling me I was an idiot or made me feel like an idiot by all the things I wasn't doing or wasn't doing right or should be doing or could be doing.

But it never felt right to me. And he would say stupid things to me, like I won't get out of bed for X amount of thousands of dollars. I'm like, I do stuff for free all the time. And if I didn't have my sense of purpose and cause, if I didn't have my North Star, my why, my vision to guide me, I would have listened to him. And it would have been to my detriment.

Because he was very finite minded and it was very sort of like hit this target, hit this target. And thank goodness I ignored all the advice and flash forward, my career has completely eclipsed his. It just took longer. And that's the point is, the point is, is that the reason people don't follow my ideas,

the reason people reject my books is because they want my, my advice or they want my perspective to work this year. And, and I, and you've, and I, you'll hurt, I've used this analogy all the time. Like I will tell you how to get into shape. I will tell you have to exercise 20 minutes a day, every day you have to eat healthy and you can have, you can only have sugar on days that start with S. You know, I like what Mark Hyman says, which is, you know,

treat sugar like a recreational drug, you know? And if you do these things 100%, you will be in shape and you will be healthy, 100%. Nobody wants that book. Right? But the problem is you have to do it. And somebody will say, well, when will I be in shape? And the answer is, I don't know.

A hundred percent it works. I don't know when. And when I discovered the why, and I first articulated the why, and this is also important, it wasn't just the why. I also discovered Emmett Rogers' work on the law of diffusion of innovations, which I did write about also in Start With Why. That combination of starting with why and following the law of diffusion,

I realized that 100% it was gonna work. By starting with why, I was gonna attract early adopters and early adopters would make the tipping point. I didn't know when, I just knew it would work and I just stuck with it. And I disconnected myself from any arbitrary time-based achievement, which freaks people out, especially if you're on a quarterly or annual financial schedule.

But I disconnected, I knew it would work and I just stuck with it. Turns out it worked. Some of it worked quicker than I expected. Some of it worked slower than I expected, but it worked. And young people, myself included, when I was their age, I'm not saying I had some like, I was a hundred percent the same. It had to be a discovery for me. And that discovery didn't come to my early thirties. So my twenties were me being that person going, you're an idiot. I got, I can't waste time, but there's something magical about being on the path and just sticking, just sticking, just being disciplined and just sticking to. And a funny thing is, as we're talking about this, I don't even, I don't think of myself as a disciplined person. I'm actually

very undisciplined. Like I'm, I don't have an exercise regime. Like, like I go in and out. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. And I'm just not a very disciplined person. Like I don't have an exercise regime. Like I go in and out. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. And I'm just not a very disciplined person. And I have so much respect for people who are super disciplined. When they commit themselves to something, they do it and they're just really good at sticking to the plan. I'm useless at sticking to the plan, right? But I'm realizing now the only discipline I had was I trusted in these two theories, starting with why and law of diffusion.