The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett - Most Replayed Moment: 6 Daily Habits That Expose Your Fake Values - Deepak Chopra

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Dr Deepak Chopra is a world-renowned expert in mind-body medicine, a best-selling author, and a global leader in the field of personal transformation. With over 85 books to his name, Deepak's work has revolutionised the way we approach wellness and consciousness.  In today’s moment’s episode, Deepak Chopra reveals six daily habits that can radically transform your life. He also explores the profound impact of awareness, explaining how shifting your consciousness can help you break free from the cycle of stress and rediscover your true, authentic self. Listen to the full episode here! Spotify: https://g2ul0.app.link/I2VIcxLycWb Apple: https://g2ul0.app.link/EyaS6APycWb Watch the episodes on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/%20TheDiaryOfACEO/videos⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You embrace the, any time you recoil or deny, resistance creates even more stress. So what we call stress is resistance. to existence in the moment, okay? If you don't resist experience in the moment, you know, it's passing by. So something really bad happens at work, I get a really bad, you know, my boss tells me I'm fired. The mindset required to avoid suffering in that case is to take the news. It's not a mindset. It's a step in awareness.

the awareness of the mind is not the mind who is it that or what is it that knows a thought that is what you need to shift to once you shift from the experience to the awareness in which the experience is happening you're independent of it and that's what actually those eight limbs of yoga are about it's a process

a shift in identity we started with that a shift in identity from your assumed self to your fundamental self which is infinite which is without cause which is not subject to birth and death which is spaceless timeless incomprehensible infinite irreducible and fundamental it feels almost like I'm stepping out of myself and looking at myself correct

looking at the projection of yourself you're looking at the projection of yourself you're looking at your avatar and it's very hard to do because we are increasingly becoming avatars especially with things like social media yeah yeah we've been we're being reinforced like you know I have two million followers or a million followers

or 500,000 followers that's following my avatar so we don't know who we are you'll confuse yourself with your avatar and the battle is all between avatars wanting importance. How does one resign from that battle and take back my peace? Actually, the opposite of that is creativity. The creativity is the opposite of determinism. If you don't want to be a biological robot or an algorithm, which is what we are now,

We are biological algorithms, biological robots. And that's, by the way, part of our evolution. It's not something, all animals. But the animals have an advantage. They live in the present moment. But you and I have an imagination that can see into the future, that can even look at death, you know, as the culmination of this life experience.

We regret the past. We anticipate the future. We're never in the present. when this is the only place we are right now is the present. There is no way to escape it, but in our imagination we escape it. So the worst use of imagination is stress. The best use of imagination is creativity. Creativity is a disruption in the algorithm.

It's a discontinuity, fundamental creativity, not usual innovation like iPhone 13 instead of iPhone 12 with a better camera. That's not what creativity is. Creativity is a death and a resurrection. It's a death of context, meaning, relationship, and story, and a new meaning, relationship, and story. That's fundamental creativity. That's Einstein coming up with the theory of relativity

or the quantum physicists breaking every rule that we knew in Newtonian physics. Or a great piece of art, Beethoven's fifth. These are original, original creativity is a disruption in the algorithm. To this idea of my avatar, getting into this sort of avatar war with other avatars, my antidote to that is my own creativity. Your own creativity. You know, every moment you have a choice to repeat the past or be a pioneer of creativity of the future. and that happens by the way it happens individually it happens collectively we change world views

you know the world is not flat anymore the ground is not stationary anymore the world is not material anymore every technology that you use is based on the new idea that the essential nature of the physical world is it's not physical if i could see you as you really are i'd see a huge emptiness with a few scattered dots and spots and some random electrical discharges. And at the most fundamental level, there are no boundaries. Boundaries are perceptual. So when we experience the spiritual ecstasy, which is ineffable, there are no boundaries.

That's why people in near-death experience, people with psychedelic experience, people with peak experiences, athletes, musical performance, any break from, ordinary reality is ineffable and healing actually that's why the recent resurgence in psychedelics is very interesting because you know it it takes you away from your identity of being squeezed into the volume of a body in the span of a lifetime and point number four the five points of suffering point number four point number four Point number four, confusing your selfie with yourself, your ego identity. We've talked about that.

And number five is death. Death. But all of them have one solution. First one, find out who you are. How does one find out who they are? Transcendence. How does one transcendence? There's no, here's another thing.

There's no system of thought, no system of thought. Religion, philosophy or science that will get you into knowing. true reality because systems of thought are just that systems of thought what is it that gives rice to thought that is what you want to know and that's been the eternal quest in spiritual traditions i'm not talking about religious dogma or ideology the you know these days is very fashionable for people to say i'm not religious but i'm spiritual it means the same thing When you have a spiritual experience, number one, transcendence, you find your identity beyond space and time. Number two, emergence of platonic values like truth, goodness, beauty, harmony, named after Plato,

or love, compassion, joy, equanimity, and number three, loss of the fear of death. That's Jesus, that's Muhammad, that's Rumi, that's Buddha, that's every luminary that you can study since people created systems of thought. So how does, what's the easiest way to track? There's someone listening to this right now. They are driving up the motorway. They're a lorry driver. Take some time every day to be unoccupied.

Even spiritual pursuit is an occupation. So take a little bit of, you know, what's, I think it was Kafka or somebody who said, all of human problems, humanity's problems, come from our inability to sit quietly and do nothing. We'd rather electrocute ourselves. We're always doing, doing, doing. We have human doings.

We're not human beings anymore. So if I take some, I pull over the lorry that I'm driving up the motorway. And I say, do you know what, Deepak told me to take some time for myself. So I sit in the lorry for 15 minutes every day. How is that going to help me to transcend? It starts a process. we begin to ask yourself who am I I reflect on these questions every day

who am I what do I want what is my purpose what am I grateful for and who am I without these constructs it's a big mystery right who you are ultimately you realize you're the awareness in which all experience

happens But you're not the experience. The experience is in time. You are not in time. And this requires a different kind of education. It's not part of our culture. It used to be part of cultures. You know, if you read Plato and the Republic,

and you'll see that, you know, this was part of every culture. But it was few luminaries. People romanticize even about this. In India's a spiritual country, Well, India's been violent forever. A few luminaries, the sages of the Upanishad, and we have romance around them.

Greek culture, you know, oh, Bob, you know, the Greeks were the most civilized in the world. Well, yes, Socrates and Permanides and, you know, Pythagoras, and I can name a few, but the rest of the country, even in those times, you know, they had slavery, they had sexism. They had the source of the Olympics

where they used to sacrifice humans and, you know, we're still performing it, even in our days, we're still repeating that cycle with the what do you call cheerleaders, the virgin bestels of the past. We haven't changed, actually, much. What else in terms of starting your day, like daily habits? So you talk about sleep as being incredibly important?

Here are the daily habits. Number one is sleep. Now we know, by the way, that lack of sleep is the number one predictor of premature death from cardiovascular disease. Lack of sleep is also a predictor of Alzheimer's. Lack of sleep interferes with their creativity. Lack of sleep causes inflammation.

So that's for sure. Number one. Number two, I think, is any practice that quietens the mind. meditation, reflection, contemplation, sitting quietly, watching your breath, et cetera. Number three is exercise. Number four is mind-body coordination, as in that's different than regular exercise. You yoga practice and martial arts, breathing practices, Tai Chi, Qigong. They actually activate a different part of your nervous system,

which is the parasympathetic nervous system, which causes self-regulation. in the body. So it's not just exercise. It's, you know, something that puts mind and body together, even gymnastics or things like judo and I mentioned martial arts, but yoga is my practice. Then emotional, your emotional and physical environment, your social environment, because we live as social beings. So, you know, if you're, if you're, you have toxic. relationships is going to cause physical toxicity. Then nutrition, we now know that food that causes inflammation, refined, manufactured, processed food with chemicals, antibiotics, hormones, insecticides, pesticides, it's poison.

It's like putting agent orange in your body. So organic food, farm to table, maximum diversity of plant-based. foods. Now we know a lot about micronutrients. We know about biological rhythms. But ultimately, I think spiritual experience is very important because no matter what you do, no matter what you do, no matter how healthy you are, there is old age, there is infirmity, and there is death. So unless you face those right head on, when you are healthy, not when you're in a crisis, not when somebody dies in your family. Then everybody panics.

I had a crisis in my life when I was six years old. My father was in England. He was training to be a cardiologist. I was living in my grandfather. And one day we got a telegram that my father had passed all his exams. He was now a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians. Big deal in those days. We got a telegram.

my grandfather wanted to celebrate, so he took me and my little brother to a carnival, then to a movie. I even remember the movie, Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves. Then we went to a fancy restaurant, and then in the middle of the night he died. And they took him for cremation, brought his ashes back in a little jar about the size of this coffee cup, a little bigger and one of my uncles said what happened yesterday he was taking the kids to a carnival and today is a bunch of ashes my little brother who later became the dean of education at harvard medical school he was four years old he started to lose his skin his skin started peeling off

i went into a panic and you know my uncles took my brother to every physician they couldn't point a diagnosis, until somebody said, you know, he's missing his parents, he's feeling vulnerable, he's losing his skin, shedding his skin because that's a metaphor for his vulnerability. He'll be fine when his parents come back. And sure enough, as soon as they came, my brother was healed. So at six years, I had a crisis, existential crisis, went on to become a doctor. But what happens? You go to medical school, the first thing you see is, is a corpse. You're supposed to understand life by dissecting a body.

You know, it's the way we are trained. You started off by looking at a human being as an anatomical structure rather than a process and consciousness. So it took me a long time, you know, going through medical school, training, myself, going through crises, smoking, addictive behavior, alcohol. all, I remember resuscitating a patient, putting a pacemaker, putting him on a respirator, and then going outside to smoke a cigarette.

And then, you know, I was disgusted with myself. I threw away my cigarette. That evening, I threw away the scotch. And I decided that I wanted to understand who am I. If I made you Prime Minister or President of the World, you know, if there was one significant change you could make to lead us more towards that better future of Enlightenment. I would say an education that does not sacrifice self-awareness. We have information overload right now. I don't need information overload. I can Google it or now go to chat GPT or something like that. What I need to know is who am I. How do you feel about chat GTP? It's good.

I think it's very good. And I think it's unavoidable also. I actually went to a demonstration recently by Microsoft on something that's coming soon. It's called Prometheus. It's way beyond chat GPD. Interesting. It'll put most of us physicians out of business

because it makes the best diagnosis, gives the best information. What happens then in terms of your purpose and your meaning? Well, we have more time for creativity. Fundamental creativity to create joy in the world. I think the essential message is if you're not joyful, you wasted your life. I see entrepreneurs all the time,

young guys coming up to me with amazing ideas. But they're talking about exit strategy. before they've started the business. It's like, you know, dividing the loot before there's a train to rob. But they're already talking. And we're living in a hustle culture, you know. I have five exits. You keep exiting, exiting, exiting, and you're still hustling, and you're dying.

And that's the final exit. You're still a hustler. So I say make joy and self-understanding, self-awareness, the fundamental purpose of existence and everything else will follow. Where's your joy? Where does that, where do you drive it from? The fact that I exist and I'm aware of existence, that's a perpetual surprise to me.

I was looking at emotions and what's the healthiest emotion you can have? It's not love, it's not compassion. It's not even joy. It's awe. It's wonder, why do we exist and why do we have the awareness that we exist? If you're perpetually surprised and full of wonder and joy, you've returned to innocence. And what we've lost to this world today is the loss of innocence. How do I get my innocence back?

Are you married? I'm in love. Well, when you have a child, you'll see it. You'll see it. You know, a child is spontaneous. Isn't the moment. It's joyful, unless it's wet or hungry, but that's a different situation. But it's joyful.

It is looking. The other day I was in a train, you know, from Orlando airport to baggage claim. Everybody was stressed in the train. mask, panicked, a mother on the phone and full of anxiety, and she had a little baby in the crib, and this baby was looking around in total amazement. Finally, it caught my eyes, and it gave the most amazing smile. And the whole room lighted up, just looking at that innocence.

We have lost our innocence, and we take it away. from our children. So, you know, when children love laughter. They love stories. They love surprises. You know, they love to play peek-a-boo. When's the last time you were surprised?

I can't recall being surprised. So when I feel I want some joy, I just look at children playing. a way to bring that joy back into our lives as a practice, that innocence? Yeah. Play. Play. Not drama. As adults, play is seen as a waste of time. No, plays is when you find creativity and joy. I'm not talking about drama. I'm talking about play. Play for the sake of play. Now, even sports has become competitive. But when you played because you were playing.

When a musician is playing, they're not thinking of the end. When you're singing a song, you're not thinking of the ending of the song. You're in the song. When you become the song, when you become that which you're playing, when the music and the musician become one,

when the Noor and the known become one, when the observer and the observer become one, when the lover and the beloved become one, that's transcendence, that's joy, that's play. What you just listened to was a most replayed moment from a previous episode. If you want to listen to that full episode, I've linked it down below. Check the description. Thank you.