The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett - The Top 7 Belly Fat Burning Hacks For 2024 That Are PROVEN To Work!

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

As a holiday wrap-up, we’ve listened to you and answered one of the most popular questions; What is your favourite EVER episode? But, we think the more important question is what is YOUR favourite e...pisode on the Diary of CEO of all time. Using our in-house data scientist and a group of analysts, we’ve found the most replayed and shared moments from 2023. This should be the most valuable episode you will ever listen to. 7th Most Replayed Moment, Dr. Giles Yeo. Dr Giles takes on some of the biggest myths about health, weight and obesity. His books, Why Calories Don’t Count and Gene Eating: https://amzn.to/3NFeUdE Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Y9IZF0 Instagram: https://bit.ly/3Rs5bIj 6th Most Replayed Moment, Dr. Mindy Pelz. In this clip we talk about intermittent fasting, the gut reset fast and the belly fat burning diet. Dr Mindy lays out how to eat and behave to improve our overall health. Instagram: https://bit.ly/461aBB0 Dr Mindy’s book, Fast Like A Girl: https://amzn.to/41y9Opr 5th Most Replayed Moment, Professor Matthew Walker. This is from my conversation with the Worlds Number One expert on sleep. He gives us a roadmap for how to sleep better, explaining the impact of our sleep on our overall health, happiness and everything in between. Instagram: https://bit.ly/3YsK1f6 Matt’s bestseller, Why We Sleep: https://amzn.to/3totIGS Twitter: https://bit.ly/3yI60V7 4th Most Replayed Moment, Dr. Daniel Amen. Taken from Dr. Daniel Amen’s second appearance on the show, we discuss how to grow a healthier, better brain. Daniel is the World’s Leading Neuroscientist who may have scanned and seen more brains than anyone else. The no.1 book on Brain health: https://amzn.to/3vbmXsh Instagram: https://bit.ly/3tHjm4r Twitter: https://bit.ly/3scQpgr 3rd Most Replayed Moment, Gary Brecka. Gary Brecka is one of the world’s most renowned human biologists. Our conversation covers the ultimate human wellbeing checklist. From Dana White’s transformation using the super human protocol to stripping fat, listen to transform your life. Instagram: http://bit.ly/3IVf6Dw Twitter: http://bit.ly/41w492P 2nd Most Replayed Moment, Dr. Tim Spector. A favourite guest on DOAC, here Tim busts myths about a frequently debated subject: diet vs exercise. Foor For Life, Tim’s book: https://amzn.to/3RTckDt Instagram: https://bit.ly/3CDRuQD Twitter: https://bit.ly/3VG0zil No.1 Most Replayed Moment: Dr Tara Swart. The most listened to moment ever this year is neuroscientist Dr. Tara explaining the brain and body’s connection. We dive into the influence the brain has on our health, relationships and well-being. Dr Tara’s book: https://amzn.to/47dokE0 Instagram: https://bit.ly/48hJ1k2 Twitter: https://bit.ly/46gqYZI Bonus Moment, Mo Gawdat: This is from episode 101 with Mo Gawdat, and it’s the most shared episode we’ve ever had of all time on WhatsApp. Mo explains to me his influential equation for happiness, and we discuss how to put it into practice. Mo’s book, Solve For Happy: https://amzn.to/489n5qJ Instagram: https://bit.ly/3qmYSMY Follow me: https://beacons.ai/diaryofaceo

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Quick one. Just wanted to say a big thank you to three people very quickly. First people I want to say thank you to is all of you that listen to the show. Never in my wildest dreams is all I can say. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd start a podcast in my kitchen and that it would expand all over the world as it has done. And we've now opened our first studio in America, thanks to my very helpful team led by Jack on the production side of things. So thank you to Jack and the team for building out the new American studio. And thirdly to to Amazon Music, who when they heard that we were expanding to the United States, and I'd be recording a lot more over in the States, they put a massive billboard in Times Square for the show. So thank you so much, Amazon Music. Thank you to our team. And
Starting point is 00:00:37 thank you to all of you that listen to this show. Let's continue. Here's the most important question. People ask me this question all the time. They say, Steve, what is your favorite ever episode on the Diary of a CEO podcast? And I think the more important question is actually, what is your favorite episode on the Diary of a CEO podcast of all time? And so I went out to try and answer that question. What is your favorite episode? What is your favorite moment on this podcast of all time? And using a data scientist and a big team of analysts, we've found the most replayed moments of all the hundreds of episodes we've produced this year to show to you today. These are the moments that you replayed and shared more than any other moment on this podcast. Theoretically,
Starting point is 00:01:27 this should be the most valuable Diary of a CEO episode you ever listened to, because it's a compilation of the biggest myths about health weight obesity and he answers the question do we have to get fatter as we age is it genetic what are the easy ways to manage our weight? After I read it in your book about us gaining more and more weight as we age, I googled it and the Healthcare Research and Quality Agency said that we naturally tend to gain weight as we age to the tune of one to two pounds per year according to their review. And that's from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality,
Starting point is 00:02:28 which I found quite startling. But completely accurate. So the numbers, so what the numbers that we have is, yeah, I think that's right, actually. So between 20 and 50 years old, those 30 years intervening, the average person, average, will gain about 15 kilos in weight, which is 32. Yes, two pounds a year, one to two pounds a year. 15 kilos in weight, which is 32. Yes, two pounds a year,
Starting point is 00:02:45 one to two pounds a year. 15 kilos in weight is gained over 30 years on average. Some gain very little, others gain a hell of a lot more. We look at ourselves in a mirror. I look at myself in a mirror. But it's true. I don't want to be that guy. Mate, I don't know how much choice you have. What can I do to try and stay? Because for me, it's not really about the weight thing or how you look. It's more about like, I don't know how to say this, but there was this big set of stairs the other day, really, really long set of stairs leading down to this lake.
Starting point is 00:03:16 I was in Indonesia a couple of months ago. And I remember thinking about those stairs and thinking, God, if I wasn't, you know, athletic and strong and didn't have good knees and things like that, there's no way I'd be able to get down this long winding hand carved set of Indonesian stairs so that I could go on this boat trip that I was going to go on. And I just thought about how it was a weird thing. I know this is kind of a strange story to tell, but it crossed my mind. I got to the bottom of the stairs and I turned to the person I was with and was literally like, you know, that's why I've got to stay in shape for as long as I can, because I want to do these
Starting point is 00:03:49 boat trips and I want to go on this little rafting thing, but I won't even be able to access it unless I can go down up and down those stairs, like 200 meters of stairs down this cliff. So that's what I care about. I care about being active and strong and fit for as long as I possibly can. And I, from what you said about gravity and weight, being overweight is going to inhibit my chances of being able to do those stairs. So, so that I think there are two elements there. First of all, there is doing the things that we want to do. Okay. Like that, because you're exactly right. These are the things which I can still do that. I can still walk up a mountain or down a mountain because I'm still fit enough to do that. And I want to stay as fit as long as I can to do that.
Starting point is 00:04:28 And weight will inhibit that undoubtedly. But then there's a second element to actually consider. Now that's healthy. Look, none of us are going to live longer. We hopefully, and anyway, if we lived longer, but was unhealthy, would you want to live longer? So you want to live longer but healthier for longer, okay? And undoubtedly, the thing that is closest related to health when you age is not your total weight. There's a role to play there. The amount of muscle you have. It is your muscle mass as you age, independent of how much fat you have, okay? That will determine how healthy you are as you age. So now I'm talking about going into the 60s and into the 70s rather than when one is able to go down a 200-meter set of steps, okay? So now, as you get older, the most crucial bit of information is to maintain resistance training, not lifting, and that's not what I'm talking about. Sitting on
Starting point is 00:05:23 a wall, getting up and down a chair, because that, the amount of muscle mass you have really, really, really marks the level of health that you're going to get. And then the science is startling. It is so, so, so related, independent of weight, you know, from there. So muscle mass is the most important for healthy aging the moment you get 60, 70 plus. Interesting. Okay, so I'll keep doing resistance training. Correct. Always keep resistance training.
Starting point is 00:05:52 And lifting weights as long as I can. Lifting weights as long as you can. At some point, you won't be able to lift weights. Well, I don't know. Don't write me off. Don't write me off, Giles. The hubris of youth. Yeah, that's the naivety of youth yeah you just assume you'll always be able to do
Starting point is 00:06:05 what you can do now i i yeah it's something i think a lot about and i think a lot of people will watch this podcast because probably especially this time of year we're in january they'll probably be trying to find ways that they can cut fat they want to be a bit skinnier you said you think you said half a stone you want to lose i'm in the same place i think most people want to lose a half a stone or something what is the way that you would suggest to do that the simple way you know not the like fucking complicated go buy this guy's course and do three million sit-ups whatever the simple advice you would give someone that's hoping to create sort of sustainable weight loss so the first is the amount of protein you eat. And you need to try
Starting point is 00:06:45 and focus on trying to keep to about 16% of the energy in your day, okay, from protein, 16%. And there's a sweet spot. So if you eat too much and you're not lifting, you're stressing your kidneys because your kidneys have to get rid of the nitrogen from the protein, okay? So 16% is a sweet spot. And it doesn't mean steaks only. It can mean beans, tofu, any kind of protein from anywhere, 16%. Second is fiber. We need to eat as much fiber as physically possible, okay? 30 grams we want to aim for. Although we're looking at the moment on average in this country, we're probably only eating 15 grams. We need to double the amount of fiber we actually eat. Third, we need to limit the amount of added sugars
Starting point is 00:07:28 into our diet. Added sugars, meaning sugars not tied up in fiber. Powdered stuff, maple syrup, algarve, nectar, all those are added sugars you put in. Keep it to 5% or less of the energy content in your day. And those are the three numbers that I want you to think about. So 16% of protein, 30 grams of fiber, 5% or less of added sugars. Apply that to
Starting point is 00:07:52 whatever you want, keto, whatever you want to do. Apply that. And I think that will be a sustainable, healthy way to eat. The sixth most replayed moment is a conversation I had with Dr. Mindy Pels, who talks about the belly fat burning diet. Nutrition is a huge thing at this time of year. And so she lays out exactly how to eat and behave in order to reduce belly fat and to improve your overall health. You told me about the first two styles of fasting. The first one was intermittent fasting, which is 12 to 16 hours, which is good for weight loss, brain fog, that kind of thing. all health you told me about the first two styles of fasting the first one was intermittent fasting which is 12 to 16 hours which is good for weight loss brain fog that kind of thing the second is autography autophagy what did i say autography but i like it i said it works for me we can play
Starting point is 00:08:39 that back i definitely said and if i didn't we'll fix it with ai um autophagy fasting which is 17 to 72 hours good for balancing sex hormones and preventing illness yeah yeah number three we haven't spoken about gut reset fast yeah what's that yeah so that's based off a study that came out of mit that showed 24 hours without food and your intestinal stem cells inside your gut actually start to reboot themselves. Now, a stem cell is a cell that can go to anywhere in the body and repair itself. But at 24 hours, you get a plethora of them in your gut. And in the gut, we've got a damaged microbiome from everything that we've just been talking about. So what I discovered in this 24-hour fast is I could take women that have been on birth control pill for years, people that have been on multiple rounds of antibiotics, people who had been eating horrible food, and I could
Starting point is 00:09:35 actually put them through a 24-hour fast once a week, once every couple of weeks. And these stem cells would come in there and they would start to repair. And so now if I teach that person how to eat right, their food is actually starting to build a better microbiome in the gut. So that 24 hour fast became this go-to in my clinic where I could take all these gut challenges and I could start to unwind them just because I knew the body had this capability
Starting point is 00:10:04 of making these intestinal stem cells. And it was crazy. Like we got people off supplements. We got people that weren't making serotonin, which affects moods, comes from the gut, all of a sudden started to become happier. People who hadn't had bowel movements in like three days, all of a sudden we started to put in this gut reset. And it was like a miracle. It was incredible. Number four, fat burner fast. So the fat burner fast is probably my favorite for those people who want to lose weight. The research was done that 36 hours without food, followed by 12 hours of eating, and then another 30.
Starting point is 00:10:41 They actually did it over a 30-day period, but we've been using it in our community, just dosing it in, that at 36 hours, what happens is that's enough time where the blood sugars come down, where all of a sudden the body, it's so smart. It goes, okay, blood sugar's not common. We've been in this fasted state. We've triggered autophagy. We've brought inflammation down. We've made you ketones. We're trying to go find food. But this extra weight, it's not serving you. Because remember, you got to go find food. So it drops weight.
Starting point is 00:11:14 And it's the most beautiful way to get a person to unstick any kind of weight loss resistance. But most importantly, you know where it dropped the most amount of weight from where does everybody want to lose weight belly yep so it is the i probably should have called it the fat burning belly fat burning the belly fat yeah that would have banged yeah but yeah and so that's what they showed is that actually a 36 hour fast started to unstick weight loss and it was started with weight around the belly. Compelling. Number five, the dopamine reset fast. Yeah. So number five, I found some research showing that when people go without food for 48 hours,
Starting point is 00:11:57 the whole dopamine system will be rebooted. So what's important to know about the dopamine system is it is our molecule of happiness. It is the thing that it's actually a motivation molecule. And it's a neurotransmitter that allows thoughts, happy thoughts to go across from neuron to neuron. And so what happens, and I'm sure you've talked about this on your podcast, that we're so dopamine saturated right now. But specifically people who are overeaters, they actually are finding the study I quote in the book is that they found that people who had food addiction, people who had extra weight, like obese situations, they were not getting as much happiness out of their food because their dopamine receptor sites were saturated. So they had to eat more food to get more happiness. And, you know, food is a state changer. It does make us happy.
Starting point is 00:12:53 So what they found is if they put them into a 48-hour fast, that they actually rebooted the whole dopamine system and new dopamine receptor sites appeared. So that when they brought food back in to the equation, they actually got more enjoyment out of food with less food. This kind of got me thinking about a conversation I was having yesterday with some of my team here. We were talking about how it almost feels like sometimes if I've eaten sugar, I can go into a bit of a sugar cycle. And what I mean by that is I'll have some sugar and then like a couple of hours later, I'll have another craving for sugar. And then a couple of hours later, I'll have another craving for sugar and then a couple of hours later I'll have another craving for sugar but then at other times specifically for example when I did keto I was I did the keto diet for about eight months uh eight
Starting point is 00:13:32 weeks bloody eight months I wish um eight weeks and throughout that period I didn't have any cravings for sugar yep I would we had some chocolate come into the studio and I walked over to the chocolate I smelled it yep And I didn't want any of it. Yep. It had gone. Yeah. But then when I'm in my, what I call like the sugar cycle, I'm eating sugar maybe, you know, once or twice a day and I'm getting like the craving for it, which I just can't seem to resist.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Yep. Well, dopamine is the molecule of more. It's not the molecule of enough. So what it does is when you get sugar, you get this dopamine rush and the brain goes, whew, love that. Give me more of that. And so you can't, it's endless. You will never be fully satisfied. It constantly wants you to come back for more and more and more. So when you start to go off the ketogenic energy system, you're getting the same euphoria. You probably felt the same high, the same mental clarity, but you've totally taken this molecule more out of the picture. In fact, dopamine will
Starting point is 00:14:30 actually, you know, you get those receptor sites that will be repaired, but you're not getting a big dopamine buzz when you're in a ketogenic state. You're getting ketones. I was mulling it with my team how long I had to stay away from sugar to kind of get out of that vicious give me more cycle. Yeah. My experience has been it's about three days. Three days. That's what I thought. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I think I said four or five, but it's just from experience as well. If I haven't had sugar for three or four days, I mean like a chocolate bar, something significant in terms of sugar. Then after three or four days, the craving for it seems to vanish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, if you think about that, it's not hard if you're trying to overcome a sugar addiction. Like just bear it for three days. And then that dopamine stops barking at you. And then if you tack fasting onto it, now you're getting ketones. And so you're not needing that as much. Ketones kill hunger and they make you so mentally clear. and so you're not needing that as much ketones kill hunger and they make you so mentally mentally clear they give you this euphoric feeling so you don't have that
Starting point is 00:15:30 urge to go for the for the sugar and the ketones come from fasting yeah which is when your body switches metabolic state good the last and final fasting style immune reset fast. Yeah. So immune reset was built off of Dr. Walter Longo's work. And he did a study on people who had cancer and were going through chemotherapy. And one of the challenges we know about chemotherapy is that it wipes out the whole immune system. And so he wanted to see, well, what if I put somebody in a fasted state as they went through chemotherapy? Would there be a difference? And what he found is after three days of fasting, the white blood cells in our system actually reboot themselves. So what they do is all old white blood cells are sloughed away and new white blood cells emerge. So people
Starting point is 00:16:17 were able to come out of that chemotherapy experience and have a stronger immune system as opposed to what we were seeing was that it was wiping the immune system out. So that launched the whole three-day water fast sort of craze. At least here in America, we're seeing a lot of people that are just going after three-day water fast to prime their immune system. But you also, also at three days, get stem cells, full systemic stem cells. So all of a sudden your body's got, surging with stem cells going to all parts of the body repairing it. The great example I always use on this one was I had an Achilles tendon injury and nothing was helping
Starting point is 00:16:59 it. So I threw a five-day water fast at it. the fourth day I felt this buzz in my Achilles tendon and I was like oh I wonder what that is and it stayed all the way through I went five full days and about the fifth and sixth day so sixth day I was entering food back in all the pain completely went away and it never came back i tried everything i tried everything and that was the only thing that repaired it it does make again evolutionary sense that if our body senses we're injured because we're not eating or you know some other signal that we are on a course to not survive to put it nicely it does make sense that it might set about to repair whatever needs to be repaired you're getting it you know because like if i was a wounded human back in
Starting point is 00:17:50 on the savannas of i don't know africa or wherever we came from um and i'm laid there and i'm not eating my body should probably go okay steve might need something fixed so he can get back to hunting. So you're getting it. So survival, that is the number one priority of the body. So when you go without food, you amplify every resource it has to keep you alive. And if repairing my Achilles means I can now go hunt for food, it's going to do that. It's going to make me stronger. And in the book, I stumbled, when I was writing the book, I stumbled upon a really cool hypothesis that's called the thrifty gene hypothesis. And it said that, it's a theory, obviously,
Starting point is 00:18:38 it's a hypothesis. It's a theory that the people, the humans that evolved out of the primal days had a very specific genotype. And this genotype allowed us to metabolically flex and be stronger in a fasted state because we had to survive. And the people that didn't make it from that time period didn't have that gene. But think about this for this moment. So they think we all have this gene inside of us right now, this thrifty gene, where we can go long periods without food and we can survive. So what happens when we're eating all day? What happens when we're ignoring and we're not actually activating that genetic profile? So what they are now believing is that diabetes, metabolic syndrome, all of that is largely
Starting point is 00:19:26 happening because we are going against the genetic profile that we are now seeing in humans we're like on the opposite end of this spectrum we're overloading our bodies yeah which is meaning that the survival genie reference there is not being activated to help us. That's right. That's right. Interesting. The fifth most replayed moment is a moment from my conversation with Matthew Walker, who is the world's number one expert on the subject of sleep. He explains the importance of sleep on our overall health,
Starting point is 00:20:00 on our weight and everything in between. But most importantly of all, he gives us a roadmap for how to sleep better and i know so many of you are struggling so i'm not surprised that this is one of the most replayed moments of the diary of a ceo of 2023 had a lot of health experts on this podcast recently but none of them have really talked to me about the role that sleep or sleep deprivation plays in weight. Is there a relationship? It's probably one of the most well-defined relationships that we know in all of sleep science. And it is at least a three-part story. So the first emerging evidence came in terms of hormones. So there are what we call appetite regulating hormones. And the two principal ones
Starting point is 00:20:47 of concern here are something called leptin and ghrelin. Now leptin when it's released will signal to your brain that you're satisfied with your food, you are satiated and you are no longer hungry. Ghrelin does the opposite. When ghrelin is released, it says, no, you're not satisfied with your food. You are not full. You still want to eat more. You are still hungry. And some of the first studies, they started to just limit people, restrict people's sleep to six hours or five hours or four hours. And what they found was that there was firstly that signal leptin that says, no, you're satisfied with your food. You don't want to eat any more. You're full. That signal of fullness, satiation was decreased by 18%. If that wasn't bad enough, ghrelin which is the hunger hormone that leapt up by 28 percent overall hunger levels rose by about
Starting point is 00:21:51 at 26 percent so firstly you are it's almost like double jeopardy that you are getting punished twice for the same crime of not sleeping enough once Once by losing the signal of I'm full, I don't want to eat anymore. And once again for the, no, I'm much more hungry and I'm just going to overeat, which is ghrelin. So what that produces is a profile of increased eating. So on average, underslept individuals started to eat in those studies about three to four hundred extra calories at each sitting by way of insufficient sleep. Then what they discovered is that it's not just that you want to eat more, it's what it is that you have a craving for when you are underslept. And this is the problem. What they found is that when you are underslept, you eat more of everything, but you especially eat more
Starting point is 00:22:50 of these heavy hitting stodgy carbohydrates, bread, pasta, pizza. The next thing that you started to eat, have a preference for was simple sugary foods, sweets and chocolate. And then finally you started to crave very salty food and high sodium food intake will increase your blood pressure. So that was the first of the three mechanisms. Then we did a study where we said, perhaps it's not just the circulating hormones in the body. The brain is the ultimate arbiter of your food decisions. So what's going on in the body, the brain is the ultimate arbiter of your food decisions. So what's going on in the brain? So we took a group of perfectly healthy individuals and we put them through the experiment twice. Once when they'd had a full eight hours of sleep and once when we deprived them of sleep. And then the next day we placed them inside an MRI scanner and we showed them images of lots of
Starting point is 00:23:41 different foods that range from being sort of, you know, very healthy to being very unhealthy and sort of ice cream and, you know, chocolate and pizza and things to leafy salads and nuts and greens and vegetables. And we asked them to rate how much they wanted that food for each item. Now we did something a bit sort of dastardly to make it more ecologically correct so that they weren't just saying, okay, they probably think I should probably say that's healthy. We said, we're going to randomly select one of these images, these food images that you see. And after you get out the brain scanner, we're going to give you that food and we're going to politely ask you to eat it all. So it made it a bit more realistic. So the choices were more,
Starting point is 00:24:22 you know, as much as that we could. So what we found is that when they were sleep deprived, the deep hedonic centers, the emotional centers of the brain, these desire centers, these reward centers, they ramped up in their activity in response to these highly desirable, highly unhealthy foods. So these more basic sort of, you know, guttural parts of the brain, as it were, these reward centers were lighting up much more strongly when you were sleep deprived. Worse still, the impulse control regions in the front of the brain, what we call the prefrontal cortex, they were shut down, they were taken offline. So as a consequence, you lost your impulse control. And that's why you start to then say, you know, when I'm sleep deprived at the food sort of buffet, I'm not
Starting point is 00:25:11 going to do salad. I'm just going to, that pizza looks awful good, or that pasta with the cream, I'm just going to go into that, all go. So it's what we call a pattern in terms of brain activity in neuroscience of hedonic eating, that your brain goes into this hedonic desire profile. So now we understood it's not just hormones in the body, it's also changes in the brain. Then came the finding that there's another chemical in the body that's responsible. And this comes on to cannabis. When people that you may know have smoked cannabis, they'll often say, I get viciously hungry. I get the munchies. I get really hungry. That's no coincidence because cannabis will stimulate appetite. Now we all have naturally occurring cannabis compounds in our brain and our bodies. They are called endocannabinoids. Endo meaning comes from insiders,
Starting point is 00:26:15 whereas the cannabis that comes externally when you sort of smoke it or take edibles. So endocannabinoids do many things for the brain and the body, but one of the things that they do is control your appetite and your hunger. And what we found is that when you sleep deprived individuals, these naturally occurring endocannabinoids rocketed up by over 20%, cranking up people's appetite. And so these three ways lead you to start packing on, you know, when insufficient sleep is occurring, when sleep gets short, your waistline typically starts to expand. And we now understand the reasons. If that wasn't bad enough. It is bad enough.
Starting point is 00:27:00 The final, yeah, you just stop, Matt. Honestly, I've really... The last thing that we discovered is that, let's say that you're trying to be really careful and you're trying to diet and you're trying to lose weight. If you're not getting sufficient sleep, then 60% of all of the weight that you lose will come from lean muscle mass and not fat. Not the muscle. I know, know exactly so in other words when you
Starting point is 00:27:28 are dieting but you are underslept you lose what you want to keep which is muscle and you keep what you want to lose which is fat so again it's i'm sold not an ideal situation. Sleep is important. I get it. I'm sold. How do I, my question is, what are the things that in the modern society are standing in the way of sleep? We've touched on some of them loosely, but some of the like big obvious things,
Starting point is 00:27:58 the things that you would suggest doing, very actionable things we could do straight away to improve our chances of having that healthy um deep sleep that we need to be um optimal in every regard of our health and performance there's probably i think five standard tips what we call sort of sleep hygiene that you can do and then i'll come on to maybe just some unconventional tips that we've sort of touched on and we've spoken about many of these the The first thing I would recommend people to do, and this is why when some people say,
Starting point is 00:28:29 what about this new sleep supplement? Or, you know, it's 40 quid for this bottle of these new sleep natural medications. I'm going to give it a try. I would say, try these tried and true things first before you spend your money on supplements. The first thing is regularity. Go to bed at the same time and wake up at the same time, no matter whether it's the weekday
Starting point is 00:28:49 or the weekend. Your brain expects regularity. It thrives best under conditions of regularity. When you give it regularity, you can improve the quantity and the quantity of your sleep. The second thing is get some darkness at night. As I said, we don't get enough darkness in the modern world. And so the trick I would offer, and I don't use it, I don't like the word hack, but the sort of suggestion would be in the last hour before bed, try this experiment for everyone listening for the next week, dim down half of the lights or switch off half of the lights or even three quarters of the lights in your home in the last hour before bed.
Starting point is 00:29:31 All of the lights in every room? In all of the rooms, switch off almost all of the light. Now, I'm not suggesting be unsafe and walk around in the darkness in the last hour. That's not what I'm saying. Just dim down, switch off half of the lights. You will be surprised at how sleepy that darkness will make you feel. And it's also an incredible behavioral trigger to signal to your brain that it is time for sleep, that darkness is around me.
Starting point is 00:30:02 That's the second tip is darkness. The third tip is temperature. Most people sleep in an ambient bedroom temperature that is too high. And you need to aim for a bedroom temperature of about 18, 18 and a half degrees Celsius, around about 65 to 68 degrees Fahrenheit. If I'm probably butchering the mathematics there on that, but you need to get cool. Now you can wear thick socks, you can have a hot water bottle, that's fine, but the ambient needs to be cold because you need to drop your core body temperature and your brain temperature by about one degree Celsius to fall asleep and stay asleep. And it's the reason that you will always find it easier to fall asleep in a room that's too cold than too hot. So make your bedroom cold, make it dark like a cave. The fourth question
Starting point is 00:30:53 would be sort of what we've, or fourth suggestion would be walk it out. And we've spoken about this, the 30 minute rule, you know, get up, do something different or meditate. Don't lie in bed awake for too long then the final two things we've spoken about well we've spoken about caffeine we haven't spoken about alcohol but let me just say as the kind of headline of it alcohol is not a sleep aid many people use it as a sleep aid it is not your friend alcohol again is a sedative so it knocks you out the second is that it fragments your sleep so you wake up your sleep is littered with all of these small awakenings most of them you don't remember
Starting point is 00:31:31 because they're too brief but it makes for miserable lousy quality sleep and the final thing is that alcohol is very good at blocking your REM sleep or your dream sleep which we know is critical for many other functions as well so alcohol's not your friend that's the sort of the final tip again you know just every if you're with friends have a glass of red wine just know okay my sleep's not going to be great thank you matt yeah i'm joking you know i'm not yeah i'm whatever it's just you know live life too of course i'm not saying that the fourth most replayed moment is a moment from my conversation with the world-leading neuroscientist, the man who has scanned more brains than anybody else,
Starting point is 00:32:10 Dr. Daniel Amen, who is a favorite on the Diary of a CEO. And he tells us very, very clearly how to grow a healthier brain. I can change my brain. It's the most exciting lesson that I've learned. You're not stuck. I'm not stuck with the brain I had. You're not stuck with the brain you have. You can make it better. I can prove it. In fact, every day what I've come to believe, you're making your brain better
Starting point is 00:32:42 or you're making it worse. Let's start there. By what you're doing. What things make the brain worse? What are the common things that most of us do without thinking that make the brain worse? When my daughter Chloe was in second grade, I went to her classroom and I wrote 20 things on the board. And I went, separate them for me.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Good for your brain, bad for your brain. Seven-year-olds. They got 19 out of 20 right. So most people, no. The only thing they got wrong was orange juice. They put it in the healthy category when, in fact, when is it rational to unwrap fruit sugar from its fiber source because it turns toxic in your body so i'm not a fan of fruit juice i'm a fan of fruit not fruit juice
Starting point is 00:33:35 what's bad about sugar for the pro-inflammatory which what does that makes you diabetic but i mean as it relates to the brain why is like orange juice or the ice cream bad for my brain? Because it's ultimately going to give you high blood sugar levels, which erode your blood vessels, and you're going to have lower blood flow to your brain. That's a bad thing. I mean, there's so many things about it. So it's addictive. It's pro-inflammatory.
Starting point is 00:34:09 It makes it more likely you're going to have diabetes and obesity. So 72% of Americans are overweight. 42% are obese. I've published three studies on 35,000 people. as your weight goes up, the actual physical size and function of your brain goes down. That should scare the fat off anyone. I used to be chubby, but when I figured out that connection, I'm like, oh no. It was that that gave me the motivation to drop about 25 pounds. And so sugar is the gateway drug to diabetes and obesity. And so not to mention inflammation, which is the cause of depression and dementia. So you want to avoid things that cause low blood flow,
Starting point is 00:35:06 caffeine, nicotine. Caffeine? Caffeine constricts blood flow to the brain. And what does that do to my brain? Well, it constricts blood flow. So you're going to get less blood flow. And remember, I showed you that progression with age. No, you don't want that. You want to do things that increase blood flow to your brain.
Starting point is 00:35:26 So exercise, ginkgo. This is one of the supplements I'm going to give you. Eat foods like beets, oregano, rosemary, cinnamon. They increase blood flow. While we're on blood flow, 40% of 40-year-olds have erectile dysfunction. 70% of 70-year-olds have erectile dysfunction. What that means, if you have blood flow problems anywhere, it means they're everywhere. And so I'm like, no. And it means either you're too sedentary, you're overweight, you're smoking or having too much caffeine or using marijuana because marijuana lowers blood flow to the brain. And so just in that one of the 11, it's exercise,
Starting point is 00:36:29 Genco, and for you, not for everybody, but for you, hyperbaric oxygen. Those three things will make a big difference in blood flow. Genco. Genco.
Starting point is 00:36:39 What is that? It's a supplement. What does it do? Increases blood flow. To the brain? The prettiest brains I've ever seen take Genco. There's actually a spec study. They gave people 120 milligrams of Genco twice a day. Significant improvement in blood flow to the brain.
Starting point is 00:37:01 And so one of the supplements I'm going to give you, we have Genco. I've taken it every day for the last 20 years at least. And then this is where the U.S. government got an F for the pandemic. Loneliness accelerates dementia and brain problems. And so when they isolated us, the whole significant increase in brain problems. So get connected to other people. The I in bright minds is inflammation. So what increases inflammation?
Starting point is 00:37:36 Low omega-3 fatty acid levels. And we are deficient. 93% of the population is deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, 93%. So all of us should be either eating more fish or taking an omega-3 supplement like fish oil. Gum disease, like who knew? Like I wasn't really that good at taking care of my gums until I started reading the studies. You have gum disease, you have inflammation, you're more likely to get depressed and have dementia. The third most replayed moment is a moment from my conversation with Gary Brekker,
Starting point is 00:38:17 where he lays out how you can become a superhuman, strip the fat off your body, and get yourself healthy with free easy simple exercises that will cost you nothing at all when i heard the story about dana white and i saw he had gone from respectfully being a man that had a little bit of weight to having this these six-pack abs on instagram of course the six-pack isn't the the outcome it's as you've said it's the stuff going on inside right that's really the transformation but what can someone who's just heard that at home, where do they start with getting extending their life by triple and getting the. So, you know, he also started something called the superhuman protocol and superhuman protocol
Starting point is 00:38:58 is using magnetism, oxygen and light. Right. So the only things that we really get from mother nature, the big benefit we get from mother nature, the big benefit we get from mother nature is we get magnetism from the earth. We get oxygen from the air. We get light from the sun. The truth is most of us are not contacting the surface of the earth that much anymore. So he bought $150,000 worth of equipment, a PMF mat, an oxygen, what's called a hypermax oxygen to do exercise with oxygen therapy, and a red light therapy bed. And I had him use that equipment every single day,
Starting point is 00:39:29 seven days a week. But if your listeners want to do it for free, you can take off your shoes and contact the surface of the earth. And I'm talking about bare feet on soil, dirt, grass, sand, because earthing and grounding is a very real thing. We actually discharge into real thing. We actually discharge into the earth. We actually, human beings build up a charge. Do you know that pH,
Starting point is 00:39:50 the acid alkaline scale, pH stands for potential hydrogen. It's a charge. It's a complete fallacy that you can get alkaline by drinking alkaline water. That's the biggest marketing myth ever sold to the public. But you can get alkaline by contacting the surface of the earth. So if you don't have 150 grand, which I don't expect anybody listening to this podcast to spend 150 grand, but he did. I said, you need a PMF mat so that you can be alkaline. You need to spend 10 minutes a day breathing 95% O2 under mild exercise, and you need to lay in a red light therapy bed. So in the absence of the superhuman protocol, you can become superhuman by contacting the earth and by learning to do
Starting point is 00:40:30 breathwork. Let's talk about breathwork. I spend eight minutes every day doing a very specific series of breathwork. People do not realize the power of something that is so accessible, so free and so easy to do, right? They want things to be more complicated, but it's not. And when I said the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease, it's absolutely true. Remember that every elevated emotional state that a human being can experience actually has in its molecular structure, oxygen is a component of that emotion. So if you look at the difference between passion, elation, joy, arousal, libido, and anger, for example, it's usually only one neurotransmitter and the presence of oxygen.
Starting point is 00:41:11 The reason why no human being has ever woken up laughing is because you don't have the oxidative state to experience laughter right out of deep sleep. But can you wake up angry? Yes, because anger doesn't require oxygen. So every morning contact the surface of the earth and then spend eight minutes doing, I do a Wim Hof style of breath work. I give credit where credit's due. He's the father of breath work as far as I'm concerned. So I do three rounds of 30 deep breaths, like obnoxiously deep breaths. And I start by trying to take my belly button and pull my belly button out towards the wall. Imagine there's a string pulling your belly button towards the wall.
Starting point is 00:41:48 And then you fill from the lobes of the lung to the apex of the lung. And then you exhale and just relax. God knows what they think we're doing out there. Right outside this podcast. They're like a bunch of freaks. I knew it was a cult. I knew he was a cult leader. So you do three rounds of 30 breaths.
Starting point is 00:42:14 On the 30th breath, you exhale and you hold. Allow the carbohydrate receptor to reset. When you don't feel you can hold anymore, you take a deep breath in. You hold again. And then you let it out breath in, you hold again, and then you let it out slow, and you start again. I would suggest that you start with three rounds of five breaths, then work to 10, 15, 20, 25, and 30.
Starting point is 00:42:39 If you get lightheaded, this is a good sign that the oxygen tension is changing in your brain. If your fingers and toes get tingly, this is a good sign that you're changing the oxygen tension. If you feel some kind of heat, temperature change in your neck, these are all great signs. You will get to the point where you can actually hold your breath for two or three minutes, sometimes four minutes between rounds of breath work. And then the last thing is to expose yourself to natural sunlight. First thing in the morning, the first 45 minutes of the day, God gives us a very,
Starting point is 00:43:04 very special type of light. It's called first light. There's no UVA. There's no UVB rays in this light. So that's not the damaging rays from the sun. It still generates vitamin D3. It has a positive effect on cortisol, on vitamin D3. First light is the best way to reset your circadian rhythm. So by contacting the surface of the earth, doing breath work and getting first light, you can get to the same place that Dana White did with 150 grand in equipment. What about oxygen masks? Because I'll be honest, when I read about the Dana story, I went on Amazon soon after and I was like, I'm just going to buy an oxygen canister. Good idea, bad idea. So what you want to do is, you know, you get an oxygen concentrator, which takes 21% oxygen from, which is the concentration at sea level.
Starting point is 00:43:47 It turns it into 95% O2 and it fills this bag. And it can refill this bag over and over and over again. Okay. I use one called the Hypermax. You can see it on my Instagram. And you plug it in, you turn it on, it fills this bag. And then you go in, you put an oxygen mask on and you exercise for 10 minutes, only 10 minutes. Cycle for three minutes, sprint for 30 seconds, cycle for three minutes, sprint for 30 seconds, cycle three minutes, sprint 30 seconds, and you're done.
Starting point is 00:44:15 And what this does is it raises something called the partial pressure, the storage of oxygen in your blood. The only two-time Nobel Laureate Prize winner in medicine, Dr. Otto Warburg, won both of his Nobel prizes for his work in exercise with oxygen therapy. You want to be a superhuman, do mild exercise every day while breathing 95% O2. It's important that you're exercising. And then after that, you move into a red light therapy bed, photobiomodulation. So if you don't have access to a hypermax oxygen machine, just do the breath work.
Starting point is 00:44:45 Get the breath in. You know, exchange the oxygen tension in the tissues and expose yourself to first light. What about cold water plunging? So I'm a huge fan of cold water plunging, but probably not for the reasons why you think. You know, I also sit on the board of the NFL Alumni Association Athletica as a health service director. You know, there was a time when we used to think that putting athletes in cold water after exercise was good because of its anti-inflammatory effects. We know now that that's only about 15% of the benefit. The majority of the benefit comes from
Starting point is 00:45:14 something called a cold shock protein. If you really want to be fascinated, Google cold shock proteins. These are reserve proteins that are in your liver. They're dumped into the bloodstream in an effort to save your life when you put yourself in cold water. They scour the body of free radical oxidation. They increase the rate of protein synthesis, muscle repair. They are free. You get them when you put yourself in cold water. I don't know what the Celsius conversion is, but I use 50 degrees for three minutes minimum, six minutes maximum.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Cold. Yes. It's actually not that cold. I mean, you know, I see people getting in 37, 38 minutes maximum. Cold. Yes. It's actually not that cold. I mean, you know, I see people getting in 37, 38 degree water. There's no evidence that I've read that shows that colder is better. You get a peripheral vasoconstriction, so it forces all the oxygen into the core and up to the brain. And you get an activation of something called brown fat, right? Thermogenesis comes from brown fat. And for the women that are listening, for some reason I seem to ensnare the women when I say this.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Remember that the definition of a calorie is a measure of heat, right? I mean, the definition of a calorie is the amount of energy it takes to raise one cubic centimeter of water, one degree centigrade. So if a calorie is a measure of heat, then this means that when heat's leaving your body, calories are leaving your body. So if there is nothing, nothing, no amount of exercise hits cardio, no type of cardiovascular or weight training that comes anywhere close
Starting point is 00:46:33 to immersing yourself in cold water in terms of what will strip fat off your body fast. If you want to strip fat off your body, get in cold water three to six minutes a day. That's fascinating. Because the oxygen rushes to my head, that's why it has a really profound impact on mood. That's why it has a very profound impact on mood. Because if you think about it, what's the reason why we need deep sleep? What happens in deep sleep that's so special? There's a secondary oxygen transfer. We transfer oxygen from the periphery, from the extremities,
Starting point is 00:47:01 to the brain. Remember, the brain's a non-metabolic organ. So in other words, it's unlike a muscle. If I pick up a weight and start to work out my muscle, my arm, my body will send more blood, more amino acids, more oxygen to that muscle because it's working. Well, if I'm sitting at my computer and I'm watching reruns of The Simpsons, or I'm sitting in my computer and I'm solving the most complex joint venture agreement, partnership agreement with all kinds of mathematical equations, my brain gets the same amount of nutrients, same amount of blood flow, same amount of oxygen. So it eats the same meal, whether or not it's in a dead sprint or whether or not it's just
Starting point is 00:47:34 chilling on the couch, except in deep sleep and when you're in cold water, because it's forcing the oxygen up to the brain. The second most replayed moment is a moment from my conversation with Dr. Tim Spector, a favorite on the Diary of a CEO. And here he talks about health more holistically and some of the biggest myths that most of us believe that are currently standing in our way. We've got a fitness group amongst some of my friends, there's about 10 of us in it. And we've been tracking how often we work out and how frequently we work out in the workouts that we do. And one of the things I have to say is pretty much no one in the group has lost any weight. We've been doing this for a year. And that kind of bucks what you would think. So the only time that I lost weight was actually when I went on the keto diet. I went from 14 stone eight to 13 stone eight in roughly in several weeks.
Starting point is 00:48:27 But exercise and exercising for almost religiously for the last two and a half years doesn't really seem to impact my weight at all. In a, you know, in the way that the fitness experts might tell me on Instagram. What's your stance on the role that exercise plays in weight loss? Has very little role in weight loss. All the studies, such long-term studies show it doesn't help weight loss. And it's been grossly exaggerated as an easy fix for our obesity problem. Exercise doesn't help weight loss? No. All the studies show that.
Starting point is 00:49:03 The only caveat to that is if you have changed your diet improved your diet and you've lost some weight at maintaining some exercise does help prevent it going back up again but as on its own if you don't change your diet it's of no use and that's well known now by all the obesity experts and all the studies does sugar make us fat is that the culprit is that one of the main things that's contributing to no again that's that's reductionism you know we the but the reason the reason exercise doesn't work is it's important to realize this is because we all know this that you know you go for a walk build up hunger before a meal that's what your parents told you you know and everything
Starting point is 00:49:51 about exercise is after it your body slows down your metabolism slows down and it tries to regain the energy that you've lost that's just what our evolution and so that's why it's a you're not gonna it's great for your health i mean i exercise fantastic for your mood um it's great for your heart anti-cancer all kinds of things we should all do it but absolutely not if your goal is weight loss you have to do something about changing your diet. And I think that's, that's the big, a huge myth, particularly perpetuated by gyms and fitness apps and everything else. And it is complete nonsense. I read that you, when you look to studies over 30 years, and you looked at how many studies had been done on the relationship of exercise and weight versus things like sugar and weight, was 12 more 12 times more studies
Starting point is 00:50:46 done on the relationship of exercise and weight versus sugar and weight and why why is that why is there less research done on the latter um i think that's the influence of governments and the food companies and the drink companies so a lot of the exercise research done in the last 20 years was sponsored by large corporations who wanted to make this link between exercise and weight loss so that they could continue to sell sugary, ultra-process processed foods and drinks and just say it's the childhood obesity is because we've we don't have playgrounds and we don't encourage this and that's why the cokes and the pepsis are always there at the olympic
Starting point is 00:51:40 sponsoring olympic events and associating themselves with sport and they gave hundreds of millions to various physiology departments sports departments nutrition departments to do research in this area basically it was really hard to get anyone to do research into how sugary drinks make you uh gain weight or cause problems because they the amount of money for nutrition has been abysmally poor you know in from from governments and that's why you know we only the first ever study of ultra processed food in a controlled trial was only about three years ago and it's been around for you know 30 40 years so such is the power of that lobby that it it doesn't necessarily distort the research in a sort of you know evil way but they point it to make sure that the researchers are
Starting point is 00:52:34 working in an area that they want uh people to work in and distracting them keeping away from talking about sugars or even artificial sweeteners which in my view are nearly as bad because they're sort of hidden and deflecting us from the idea that, yes, giving kids sugary drinks or even artificial sweet drinks is going to be bad for them and cause obesity. Wait, so I cut out sugary drinks about a year ago. I still have the same brands, but I have the no sugar version. Oh, dear.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Oh, shit. What do you mean, oh, dear? Well, the summary of the trials shows that if you take young adults and kids and they would stay on two cans of full sugar sodas and you change them to the diet version there's no real difference in in weight or metabolic changes in their blood you will go to the dentist less so you don't get as many fillings but and yet you know you should be gaining 300 calories right if you were doing two cans a day so it doesn't work out as it should do and that's because of the extra these chemicals are not inert so the sweeteners in kids they change their their brains to give them they want more sweetness in their food okay so it it could reflect your wish for your
Starting point is 00:54:07 your late night milk chocolate who knows um and it it makes it very difficult trained kids to have more bitter foods or sour foods if they've got these artificial sweeteners in their diet all the time but they've now shown that all these sweeteners actually affect your gut microbes. So even stevia, you know, these so-called healthy ones, have an effect on your gut microbes, and they're not inert. So we know that saccharin and sucralose also cause spikes in your blood sugar. When I did it, you know, I have a trace. They're not supposed to, but they actually do things they're not supposed to. So we know very little about these products. And my view is that they are harmful, probably not as bad as having the sugar,
Starting point is 00:54:55 but they are absolutely not a health drink. And we should be encouraging people to have you know teas and kombuchas and uh more bitter tasting interesting flavors and foods than just this ultra sweet uh chemical concoctions it's this sugar conglomerate that have been funding much of the research that points towards um some of the things you're talking about there there that's also the conglomerate that wants us to believe the calories in calories out approach because if i just view every all foods as kind of equal and on this sort of calorie number then i can drink some of the sugary fizzy fizzy drinks and some of the processed foods as long as i keep it within that sort of calorie deficit i'll be fine and so are they is that sugar conglomerate is the processed food conglomerate for the calorie
Starting point is 00:55:46 model absolutely they need that right they absolutely it's vital you know zero calories or one calorie you know on the can that's what you see and you know you're fooling people into thinking this is a healthy drink and oh you know if i used to have full coke or pepsi and now having the diet version i'm getting 300 calories less a day i should lose weight it's exactly what they've been doing and they're also desperate to show that artificial sweeteners are really healthy and they come down on anyone who tries to say that they're you know could be in any way dangerous and yet they're not obliged to test them so none of it none of the chemicals added really go through rigorous testing on how they affect our gut microbes and this is this you know their testing mechanisms haven't
Starting point is 00:56:37 changed in 50 years and here is the single most replayed moment as it relates to health on the diary of a CEO of 2023. So the first thing I came up against, because this was around the time of the financial crisis, was the lack of understanding of the brain-body connection. So these high-performing executives were kind of acting like their body was just the vehicle that was moving their brain around from meeting to meeting. And both disrespecting their physical health, but also not understanding that what they were actually really being paid for was to use their brain. And they weren't creating the best
Starting point is 00:57:19 conditions for that brain to operate in. And I'm talking about really basic things like sleep and a good diet and hydration and not being sedentary, managing your stress, etc. So, you know, this tiny organ, if it's not in an environment that is giving it the best chance of doing its job, it's not going to and a crack's going to appear somewhere. And the first time I really kind of had a big confrontation with a bank was when people were dropping dead on the trading floor of heart attacks. And they asked me to work more in my capacity as a former medical doctor to help with the physical stuff. And I said, I can't do that if we don't address the mental and emotional piece, because that's what's causing this. And they just could not get that. What did you want to do with those people in a specific and practical sense? If you could have, you know, been in charge of preventing them from dropping dead on the trading floor, where would you have started? The understanding that stress, so everything that you're experiencing mentally
Starting point is 00:58:26 and emotionally that's challenging, and things like a lot of travel, which is challenging for your body, that that raises levels of the hormone cortisol, which comes from your adrenal glands. And that cortisol courses around your blood through your entire body and brain. And the brain has receptors for understanding what's going on in terms of threat to your survival. So in a 24 hour cycle, depending on your age and your gender, there's a normal range for cortisol. So it can go up and down like this, you know, if something challenging happens, we need to adapt and rise to meet that challenge. But when that level is above the top range,
Starting point is 00:59:05 all the time, these receptors in your brain, basically think that there's an imminent threat to your survival. So there's this whole cascade of hormones. And they basically cortisol causes inflammation in the body. So inflammation of your vascular system, inflammation around your heart and everything else, gut and other things. But particularly around that time, we were seeing a lot of heart attacks caused by stress. This was in the absence of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, smoking. It was all stress. Once upon a time I googled, because I had a thesis, I googled, is stress contagious? And it came up and it said it was contagious is it contagious in what circumstances do we need to be aware of that contagion
Starting point is 00:59:52 and more importantly how and why is it contagious okay I will tell you the answer to that but I'm going to ask you a question first have you ever walked into a room with someone and by the time you've left that meeting with them, you just feel so drained? Of course, yeah. So you know the feeling. So I'll tell you how it works physiologically. I'm going to start with something else to build you up to this story. So did you know that women who live together or work closely together will synchronize their menstrual periods within two or three months. So whenever I want to explain something that's complex or I don't actually know the current neuroscience, I always take it back to what happened in ancient times. So when we were living in the cave, the men hunted and gathered and lived quite nomadically.
Starting point is 01:00:43 So sometimes they would go away for months at a time. And in those days, the most fundamental important thing for the survival of the human species was that the alpha male must pass on his genes. So if he was going to be away for months, and he couldn't, you know, that there weren't men there to defend the women from predators, maybe there was going to be a spell of the ice age and they would all freeze to death or they wouldn't have food. He needed to make sure that at least five women were impregnated with his sperm at the same time. So that if there was a food shortage or there was like stillbirth or miscarriage or whatever, at least one out of five would survive. So to be able to do that, they had to be fertile at the same time. So that's why that mechanism exists. Now, we don't need that mechanism now, but it's still wired into the way that we operate.
Starting point is 01:01:38 So those sex steroid hormones like estrogen and progesterone, they leak out of our sweat about this far around us and that's why if you're living with another woman or if you know you're sitting across the desk every day then particles of hormone from my sweat would go into the through the skin of the other woman if she's within what distance i mean it's not you wouldn't have to be sitting next to each other if you live together then that means you're interacting enough that it would happen. Okay. So particles. But not if you work together.
Starting point is 01:02:09 If you work together and you sit right next to each other every day, then it does happen too. So, you know, in a small office that's got like six girls in it, the menstrual synchronization will happen. Interestingly, it's led by the alpha female. So, yeah. So you can work out if you don't know already who the alpha female is well if you know basically let's say my cycles don't change and everyone says oh i got my period early or i haven't had my period yet but now it's started then that would mean that probably i was the alpha female how does the body know who the alpha female is that will be to do with levels of testosterone
Starting point is 01:02:45 why why did the body why does that matter who the alpha female is why does it matter that they sync up with her i i don't i don't know if it really matters i think it's just a case of physiology so it's a little bit like in the um troops of gorillas the stress levels of the silverback gorilla affect the other gorillas more than gorillas who are peers to each other so there is we have a natural hierarchy and it must be related to survival as well so she was probably the person who the alpha male was going to impregnate first probably so everyone needs to kind of fall in line because when she starts having sex they need to be ready yeah okay and also it'll probably be to do with things like
Starting point is 01:03:29 you know survival genes so it'll be the people with the hardiest genes because that's what you want to pass on as well okay makes sense most resilient okay okay so where were we stressing contagion we've done all the hormones in the menstrual cycle so basically cortisol is a hormone that works in that same way so cortisol is the main stress hormone and this one doesn't matter if you're male or female but it does matter where you are in the hierarchy of the organization as i just mentioned so usually in that conversation i mentioned to you where you go into a room and you just feel completely drained afterwards, usually the person that comes out feeling drained is less senior than the person that's had that effect on them. And that's why this is so crucial to leadership.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Because your stress levels as a leader, as a CEO, are going to have more impact on everybody else than the rest of the people put together, basically. So managing your stress is obviously important for you but it's important in terms of what happens to other people and the first issue I came up against was CEOs and CFOs that said well I won't show them that I'm stressed I won't I won't tell them what's happening with the numbers. I won't display emotions in front of them. And I said, they're still going to know physiologically, it's going to impact them. So now you really have to do something about it. And the other thing about cortisol, which is quite funny, well, one of the side effects is quite funny, is that as a survival mechanism, it will help you to store fat around your abdomen. So, you know, again, in the cave, if you were potentially going to like not find food for a month, then if you had extra fat around your abdomen, you could digest that and survive till you could find food. so with my clients in financial services it got to a point where as soon as I walked into the room
Starting point is 01:05:26 they just lift their t-shirt up and say now you know how I've been in the last month so stress causes belly fat belly fat that's really hard to shift so again what I would see with people is that they would say oh I've put on a bit of weight around the middle you know had to loosen the belt a bit so I've started eating less I've started like exercising more and I still can't shift it and again that's when I would explain this is the impact of cortisol as long as you're still leaking out extra cortisol nothing's going to change so and like I said even exercising more or eating better less or differently whatever it is wouldn't shift that fat you had to get to the root cause you had had to reduce the cortisol. For any of you that are still here, I have a bonus moment for
Starting point is 01:06:09 you. I often get asked what is my favourite episode of the Diary of a CEO of all time. And I often try and avoid that question because I don't want to pick one particular episode. It's kind of like picking your children. However, because you've gotten here, I'm going to reveal it to you and I'm going to play you a moment from that conversation. My favorite ever episode on the Diary of a CEO of all time is episode 101. And it just so happens to be the most shared episode we've ever had of all time on WhatsApp. And I know that sounds a little bit obscure, but the interesting thing about WhatsApp is it's one-to-one typically. So it's typically one friend sending it to a family member or to a friend or something like that. And for it to be the most
Starting point is 01:06:56 transferred between one person and another, I think is telling about the value of that conversation. Here is one of the most important moments from my favorite episode on the Diary of a CEO of all time. To understand what happiness is, you have to understand the cause of it. Yes. And you write about that extensively in Solve for Happy. So what is the cause of unhappiness as you see it,
Starting point is 01:07:20 especially if you're building sort of machine learning applications that are going to, you know, solve, you know, make people arrive at contentment or happiness in a personalized way, we must be able to know what's causing this lack of happiness. Allow me a bit of time to explain it because it's simple when we get it, but it's not simple to get to it. So happiness is very predictable. Okay. If you look back at any point in your life where you ever felt happy there is one commonality across all of those moments that can actually be documented in a mathematical equation
Starting point is 01:07:50 okay you've never felt happy because of a specific event in your life okay take for example rain rain doesn't make you happy or unhappy there is no inherent value of happiness in rain okay rain makes you happy when you want to water your plants and it makes you unhappy when you want to sunbathe. And so it's not just the event rain, it's the comparison between the event and an expectation in your mind of how life should be. If you're worried about your plants,
Starting point is 01:08:22 then life should be generous to me and get me rain so I can water the plants. And if life does that, then life meets your expectations and you're happy. Okay. And so happiness in that sense becomes equal to or greater than, so it's really mathematics that your perception of the events of your life minus your expectations of how life should be. Okay. And apply that to anything, apply that to anything. So, you know, my favorite example is nature. We're all happy in nature. Why are we all happy in nature?
Starting point is 01:08:51 I mean, you go out there and there are ants and there are flies and, you know, trees are crooked and there are, you know, shrubs everywhere and bushes and it's just really not that hedged and organized, but that's what we expect. So, you know, nature's chaos is what we expect nature to be. And so we feel happy. You know, nobody's ever sits in front of the ocean and says, I like the view, but please mute the sound. Okay. You just take it, you know, it's, it's the monotonous sound and the view and the wind and the sun and the whole experience, right? And because of that, happiness becomes very different than what was defined to us.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Okay. What was defined to us is that happiness is found in a gathering at the pub or a party or a, you know, an activity or some kind of pleasure or fun or elation or whatever that is. That's not at all true. I call these the state of escape. Happiness as per the definition of the happiness equation is events equal to or beating expectations, life going my way. And so basically happiness is that calm and peacefulness you feel when you're okay with life as it is. It doesn't really matter what life is. Okay. What matters is that you can be okay with it. Right. So, so you take, you know, any example, if your boss is annoying and your expectation is, yeah, bosses are annoying. This is what life is about. They become bosses because they're
Starting point is 01:10:25 annoying. Right. And, and so if, if that's your expectation, you're going to look at it and go like, yeah, I need to learn the skill of managing annoying bosses. Okay. And if that's the case, then you're not going to be upset about it. Similarly, anything else, if you look at it, then it's not just the event. It's your perception of the event. So you have something to influence. It's not just the event. Your partner might say something hurtful on Friday at 4 p.m. That's the event. My partner said something hurtful. At Sunday morning, you tell yourself he or she doesn't love me anymore. Okay. That's your perception of the event. That's your perception of the
Starting point is 01:11:05 event. That's not actually the event. The event is something hurtful was said, but your perception of the event is your work. It's your brain adding color to it. And then you compare that to your expectations, right? You compared my boss is annoying to my boss shouldn't be annoying. Where did you get that from? Right? So we blur the happiness equation. We break the happiness equation because of what I call the six and seven. Okay. Six grand illusions and seven blind spots, which are the six grand illusions are basically call them pathways that the modern world teaches us to navigate the modern world, that our illusions are not true. Okay. Take, for example, control. Everyone knows that to succeed in the modern world, you have to learn to control certain events, right? So you start to believe that the way to
Starting point is 01:11:57 succeed in life is to control everything. But the truth is, even if you go down to the basics of physics, that we never are in control. That the absolute design of nature itself, of the universe itself, is entropy and chaos, right? That's the actual design. And so if you try to control it, you're bound to be disappointed. A lot of events are going to miss your expectations, okay? And yes, I'm not saying don't control anything at all, but start to understand that you're going to be selective because you have a finite amount of effort and by the way even if you're selective and you you try to control everything sometimes things will fall out of control okay and that should be your expectation once you get that right that was one
Starting point is 01:12:40 that was my biggest illusion okay I am a mathematician. I'm a software developer. I am a physicist. I am an engineer. And I'm a senior executive. It doesn't get worse than that. I'm like give her a spreadsheet that would tell her when to wash the colors and when to wash the whites based on our average consumption as a family to save the environment. And poor Nibel would actually smile at me and say, sure, baby, I will use this. Of course, and ignores the hell out of me because that's how crazy you can be when it comes to control. Now, these are the illusions. If you live your life through the illusion of control, good luck finding happiness. So six grand illusions, the illusion of thought, the illusion of self, the illusion of knowledge, the illusion of time, control, and fear. Okay. Now that's one side and that disrupts your entire view of what to expect from life
Starting point is 01:13:45 because you're expecting life to behave through a lens of an illusion. The other side of it is what I call seven blind spots, okay? And the seven blind spots are not really defects in your brain. As a matter of fact, they are the very design of your brain, okay? Your brain is designed to tell you what's wrong. Okay. It's not designed
Starting point is 01:14:06 to, you know, if a tiger shows up right here now, my brain has no use whatsoever in telling me, oh my God, look how majestic that animal is. Right. Yeah. It's a beautiful animal, but my brain will say we're going to die. Okay. And we're going to die is the idea that basically makes our brain constantly look for what's wrong, blur the events of life. You ask a mother and she will say, oh, my daughter's been sick all winter. She just had two episodes of flu, three days each. But to the caring heart of a mother, that needs to be exaggerated too. The exaggeration is one of the blind spots. Your brain is trying to get you to take action, so it pushes you.
Starting point is 01:14:51 It pushes you by exaggerating the event a little bit so that you jump in and take action. And accordingly, the event you're comparing to, you're comparing the wrong event to the wrong expectation, and the happiness equation falls apart. Do you need a podcast to listen to next? to the wrong expectation, and the happiness equation falls apart.

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