The Digression Sessions - Ep. 173 - 83 Cutlass (@83Cutlass)

Episode Date: November 23, 2015

Hola DigHeads!! On today's episode we have the very talented rapper, 83 Cutlass! Josh and Mike once flipped burgers with this young man whom they knew as Chad. Chad tells the boys all about his career in the world of local hip-hop including his recent collaborations with Baltimore musicians Dan Deacon and Sam Herring from Future Islands (Sam raps as well!). He also explains just why his honest form of lyrical content gets so dang dark and gritty at times. And the 3 recount their former lives as part of a local Bmore eatery with arguably cult-like ties! Follow your boys, Mike & Josh, on Twitter and Instagram.  Josh - @JoshKuderna on Twitter and @JoshKuderna on Instagram Mike - @MikeMoranWould on Twitter The Pod - @DigSeshPod on Twitter The Pod's Facebook page - Dig Sesh on Facebook For live stand up and improv dates, check out - DigressionSessions.com/Calendar

hey everybody i'm josh kaderna and i'm mike moran and you're listening to the digression sessions podcast a baltimore-based comedy talk show hosted by two young, handsome stand-up comedians slash improvisers. Join us every week as we journey through the world of comedy and the bizarreness of existence. As we interview local and non-local comedians, writers, musicians, and anyone else we find creative and interesting. Yes. Who's the guest this week? Golly, Mike. Hey.

Hey. The guest this week, 83 Cutlass. Yes. Or as I know him, Chad. 83 Cutlass is a rapper based out of the Baltimore area. But myself and Mike worked with him at the Paper Moon Diner. We did, indeed. Here in Baltimore.

And kind of lost track over the years. I don't think we were never tight, but we were cool, friendly, friends a little bit, hung out here and there. But kind of lost touch. And then paying attention to the local Baltimore scene here, I would see this 83 Cutlass fella pop up here and there. They're like, oh, he killed it. And I think I actually saw him on Umar, our friend's,

his brother's photo blog. Really? And I was like, oh, shit, that's Chad. And ever since then, he's just been kind of crushing it and touring. And you can get his album for free, which is actually really good really good i always knew he made music but i never heard it when we worked together and uh he's really fucking talented man uh for his album oh bless you mike what are you allergic to good music son what's your problem over there uh no dude his album is so good it's uh you can go to 83cutlass.com, download it for free,

and I believe it won City Paper's Mixtape of the Year when it came out. But it's not really a mixtape because it's all original stuff. Well, don't tell City Paper that. They might revoke it. Like, wait a minute. Now it's the worst mixtape. What do you mean it has all original music? So, yeah, check that out.

He's on Twitter, Instagram, 83cutlass. And, yeah, this convo, we just kind of talk about music a lot of talk about paper moon diner yes which i hope is interesting and uh talk about the forum or landmark or whatever it is the weird brainwashing cults which i attended yeah where uh your mind was an impenetrable fortress my mind was an impenetrable fortress my mind was an impenetrable kill the girl kill the remember that on the simpsons when uh the cult episode when lisa's like that's just a cult dad he's like no it's not kill the girl i don't remember that kill the girl uh yeah so check out chad's stuff i hope you guys are into it. Thank you guys for listening. Appreciate that. And to anybody who's listening to this that saw me at the Harrisburg Comedy Zone this past weekend, I appreciate that.

And Mike and I are going to plug some of our stuff here. Indeed. This Wednesday, the night before Thanksgiving, the most popular drinking night in all the land, besides maybe New Year's Eve. I'm going to do a show at a bar because I don't respect myself. Yeah, it's going to go really well. It's going to be at Bread and Circuses in Towson. That's the name of the venue, I believe. And I think it's doors at 9, show at 10. So that'll give everybody a lot of time to get real fucking drunk.

Nice and toasting. And then on the 3rd, I will be at the DC Improv doing their open mic. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Josh Koderna. The podcast is at DigSushPod, of course. Michael, anything to plug?

I will be doing the Wham! City show the night that this comes out. Oh, so. Monday night, 23rd. 23rd. Yes, 9 o'clock at the Crown. You heard. The Crayon.

The Crayon. No, it's the Crown. The Crown in Baltimore, yes. And then I'll be doing a show at Zizimo's on the 27th called A Thing You Can Do. Oh, okay. Zizimo's in Hamden. Oh, is that on the 27th called A Thing You Can Do. Ooh, okay. Zizimo's in Hamden. Oh, is that on the 28th? 27th.

Okay, I'll be there on the 28th. I forgot about that. I'll be there. I think the show's at 10 o'clock. Well, I think the listeners know which one they'd prefer to attend. Well, they can do both. That's true. But I still know.

But I prefer. Yeah. And go to digressionsessions.com slash calendar and that's going to have all our live updates and uh if you guys could find the facebook page we'd really appreciate that uh like it love it you know want some more of it yeah do that and say say hello i like all that shit and uh yeah i think that's it uh next week we're gonna have greg barrett on the podcast and excellent, excellent interview. Yeah.

He was the fucking coolest man. And, uh, yeah, just thank you to everybody for listening, spreading the word, sharing the episode, retweeting all that stuff.

It's really huge and really helps the podcast grow. And I appreciate that. And, uh, milk, I think we're going to try to get some shirts made again soon. Yeah. Cool.

I think we should. Yeah. We should run into all these people. We should just give them free shirts. Totally. It's, it's, it's promotion. Yeah. You mean like homeless people. Yeah. Cool. I think we should. Yeah, absolutely. If you're running all these people, we should just give them free shirts. Totally. It's promotion. Yeah. You mean like homeless people?

Yeah, exactly. That's how we grow our brand. We should make sure every homeless person in Baltimore has a Dig Set shirt. Like, what is this podcast, huh? How do they all know about it? Even homeless people are listening to it? They're standing on the street corners advertising us for free, you know? Yeah, it's like the new version of the sign spinner.

Totally. Yeah, okay. I'm with that. And I hope you guys enjoy this episode. Chad was really cool and check out his music. His album is very good. Yeah. And that's all I got. So let's talk to Chad. Let's do it. Let's go to the basement, shall we? Yes.

I'll see you there, Chad. See you there, Mike. Bye-bye. We'll see you in your dreams. Bye-bye. All right. I am a little jealous that I never got to experience caffeine and alcohol together. You never got to do

the Red Bull and vodka? No, it's before my, well, after my time. It's amazing. It's almost like trying to recreate cocaine legally. I know, it sounds fucking awesome.

Yeah, I remember people too, like, it's going to blow your heart up. I'm like, a Red Bull? I don't think so. A little Red Bull. I think we'll be okay. A little tequila. That shit. Oh, yeah.

Tequila is like drinking crack. Chad, weren't you sober for a bit? I was sober for a long time, and then I just said, the hell with this shit. Okay. Let me see. It's a 2008 to 2014. Wow, six years.

Yeah, six years of hell. I got sober and realized the world still sucks. So you didn't enjoy any of those six years? Oh, it was pretty good. I was pretty productive. I relearned how to be productive. I taught myself all those skills that public school never taught me. And then after that, I was like, I want to have some fucking fun.

I'm too uptight in the club. I'm looking like a weirdo in the corner. Just tapping your toe real fast and fingers. Yeah, asking a bartender for coffee, and everybody turns around and looks like, oh, he's that guy with the corner. My body's real stiff. Tapping your toe real fast and fingers. Yeah, asking a bartender for coffee and everybody turns around and looks like, oh, he's that guy with the problem. Let's talk to him about Jesus and other stuff. I'm not a pussy.

I'll take a cranberry juice and an apple juice. Both. I can mix. No ice. Dirty glass. I'll double fist if I have to. Hey, I'll chug this some, bitch. I don't care.

I don't care. I'll get a stomach ache right now so you got you got sober because you like it wasn't a problem or you just felt like you just kind of needed a break it was a fucking problem yeah like you're like a hardcore addict right i was like a hardcore alcoholic and who didn't give a fuck about anything after i got drunk right and which which led me to a a nice stint with cocaine because uh every time i got drunk i said i don't give a fuck right rent money my ass yeah yeah so i'm sure your landlord was cool with that oh yeah he was cool and after a few months then it became grandma's

basement you know because uh you can't live for free too many places out here yeah just gets a little gets a little sticky right sure yeah so uh we worked together at paper moon all three of us that's where we are although not at the same time did we not all at the same time we worked together we worked together yeah but you you left i worked there twice yeah the first time i worked is when i met josh and amanda yeah and when you came back you worked with me. The first time I worked there is when I met Josh and Amanda. Yeah. And when you came back, you worked with me. And I was gone? Yes. Yeah, you were totally gone.

You and I worked together like one shift. Really? Yes. That seems so weird to me. I was a drunk when you worked there. I was sober when I worked with Mike. So I'm the problem. I didn't even think we worked together once.

No wonder you're bringing a beer to my house. For old times. Notice I'm a piece of shit. I only brought one beer to a function. No, you're bringing a beer to my house for old times notice i'm i'm a piece of shit i only brought one beer no to a function no you're fine i'm i'm having coffee now because my my schedule's all fucked up i did and i'm already blackout drunk so it's fine so we're all over the place now i made music with my friend from like midnight until eight in the morning on sunday so that just has me all messed up that's like his schedule where he just hangs out super late and he's like, well, let's make music. And I was like, well, fuck it.

Yeah, that's fine. And then slept till like 2. Went to my dad's house and then worked today. Got up at like 6. So it's just kind of all over the place. That's fucked up. Yeah, it was fun though. Like we got to, you know,

I have all the equipment at my house so we could just jam here. Is there any way to make music besides staying up all night? Like how else do you do it? I guess if you had like... besides staying up all night? How else do you do it? I guess if you had... Staying up all morning? Yeah. Does anybody just have a shift of time where they just make music every day and then go

about their regular life? They clock in like it's a factory? Yeah. 9th Wonder, the hip-hop producer. Yeah, he makes all his beats in pretty loops. He said he does six to eight hours a day of just fucking with music. Right. He just locks himself in and does it like a job.

Yeah, there's comedians that do that too. They're like, I'm going to write for four hours every day. I don't care if it sucks or whatever. I'm like, I can't do that. Four hours. Or whatever. It's too much. It's too much commitment.

Yeah. I used to do it for like half an hour. I think I did like 20 minutes every morning for a while. Yeah. I don't think that really works for me. Yeah, it's a good muscle to have. I think I've heard people that do that they're like yeah every time i write it's not gold but it's just it gets you in the habit yeah yeah i've done that before i think i just don't work like that like i've done that like where i'm writing every day either for comedy or

for uh like writing writing uh and uh writing that just isn isn't how I work, for some reason, I think. I think I just need to binge. Yeah, or feel inspired to do it. Well, yeah, of course there's always that. Yeah, that comes from mental illness. I go through that myself. Pretty much I binge everything. Sometimes I binge on internet porn.

Other times I binge on being creative. Pretty much goes back and forth from being angry, from not productive and i get super productive then i'm like whoa slow down i'm feeling pretty frisky because i've been so productive right i should get fucked up and yeah take a break yeah i deserve it so it's uh large periods of laziness yes and then you compensate go way the other way and then you're like need to chill out, then chill out too far. Yep. That sounds like most artists, I think. Yeah, it's pretty much.

I'm just not trying to grow up and put myself in a free jail. I don't want to commit to the schedule for life and show up everywhere on time for life. It just fucks up life. It's like, what's the point? I can pretty much tell what's going to happen in 30 days, the same shit I'm doing now. Except it's later. Right. Well, like I was saying, when you and I met at Paper Moon,

it's Paper Moon Diner here in Baltimore. It was 24 hours when we were working there. Yes. And I would work the 6 p.m. to 4 a.m. shift. And I think you would come in sometimes and do like the 10 to 6s maybe or like stuff like that. 6 to 4s, hold on some bitches. It's terrible. Because, yeah, it would be like 2 a.m. and it would feel like it's the middle of the day. Because there's just so many fucking people.

But they're all wasted. All. All wasted. And it's an open kitchen, too. So when you're working there, it's everybody that's waiting. They hear you. Hey, yo, my man. Let me get extra chicken.

Come on. You going to put. Man, I said extra cheese. Come on, man. It's like, did you hey yo my man let me get extra chicken come on you gonna put man i said extra cheese come on man it's like did you pay for it i doubt it yo that's my order yeah no you're not the only motherfucker ordering mozzarella sticks tonight just want to let you know buddy and then like some drunk frat kids are on the fucking table and you're just like kenny turn more into a mardi gras tonight no and then fucking toys everywhere yeah then you're unloading like shit that like are restocking and people are in your way and they're like excuse me i'm like yeah like you see i'm holding like damn right a 50 bit a 50 pound bin full of lettuce get

the fuck out of my way once i was holding like uh just like two hands just full of dirty dishes yeah and someone comes like right up to me and he goes uh burger club medium well whoa whoa whoa five times like like oh okay yeah i had to grab one plate out of that fucking bin like i'll get right to it in the kitchen with the one plate yeah i kind of just look at him like oh i'm actually moving i like like really professionally stating obvious things to people you know i'm not doing that burger club like it's not like you're being rude if you're just stating an actual fact of something in a professional manner but it like hopefully makes them feel like an idiot yeah like oh yeah i'm being a dick you always notice too like when you whenever i go out with friends

where i'm around people that have never worked in the service industry oh god i hate that shit where it's like uh uh i was eating with somebody the other day and uh we both needed to go so we wanted to pay the bill he's like oh i'll just go find the waiter i'm like no don't do that's the word like because they were already at the register like putting in somebody else's order and they're like hey we were at this table can we pay it's like no it's not how it fucking works they will come to our table it's so like they want you to leave yeah but it's not like they're doing other shit either you know it's like he's just waiting on us we're the only table here yeah i hate that he loves us yeah so okay so we worked together those crazy shifts and there would be a few times i remember when you didn't show up and i was pretty goddamn pissed oh yeah like chad's throwing up in the parking lot. I'm like, great. Well, he needs to work cold side. Get him a bucket.

Yeah, it just was too much. I mean, I just worked so damn hard. It felt like I had to party extra hard. Right. Then I had to, you know, overcompensate because I smelled like onions half the time. So I had to really show those ladies a lot of love in those bars, you know, because smelling like onions gets you nowhere. Right. After you get off at the Paper Moon.

Except for with overweight women. Oh, not even them. Well, yeah that well yeah well yeah they love that onion so you gotta bring the beef with those onions right like working with john jones trying to find bars that were open at six in the morning when we got off right led us to stadium lounge a lot of days dimitri's we went there a few times they were like like shitty towards us in the morning sometimes yeah i think john was like underage or something They're totally shitty and wouldn't serve an underage person What's your fucking problem? Yeah this is a respectable joint right?

You suck up pricks Some bitches They don't know quality when they see it So But at the time I knew you were like working on beats and stuff And I think we talked about MF Doom a couple times and things like that. And then, yeah, when I stopped working there, you went back, and then I think we just kind of fell out of touch.

And then, over the years, I see you popping up here in the local rap scene. Here and there. Here and there. I like the hip and the hop. You know, spread a little hip-hop cheer. I mean, mostly, I was always doing it but i was just getting too fucked up at the time to actually like pursue it seriously yeah so like after like we were working together and then i went on hiatus for a few years got sober worked on a lot of shit

put a bunch of shit together and then i seen john jones that we worked with and he was like in living with like most of the members from Dope Body but wasn't actually in the group yet. Yeah. So we talked about a few things. We were like, yeah, it's time to do this shit. So then we devised a little plan. I went to a party at his house when he was at the penthouse at the copycat.

Okay. Went to a party there, met Greg from the Rap Dragons, and then we just got the shit popping. Oh, nice. Put out the fucking EP. I self-produced the shit wrote all of it fucking a cover art month later 22 minute EP before people was doing EPs it was like 2012 right when everybody was wanting to give you 18 songs of bullshit plus five bonus

tracks five bonus tracks and the DVD don't put it in the DVD that was DVD era let's put a couple skits in there too people love skits rebates you can find a secret song on the DVD player. That was DVD era. Let's put a couple skits in there, too. People love skits. Rebates. You can find a secret song on the DVD ROM if you put it in your computer. Right. So then, like, I just put out some 22-minute shit. It was pretty in-depth, straight to the fucking point. And then got best mixtape of the year in the city paper.

But I was like, well, this is not even a mixtape. Because they're all your beats. Yeah, like, I made all of that shit. I was like, but at the same time. What constitutes a mixtape? What constitutes a mixtape. Because they're all your beats. Yeah, I made all of that shit. I was like, what constitutes a mixtape? What constitutes a mixtape? I thought a mixtape was just like jacking people's beats and rapping over it.

Oh, really? Yeah, like other people's beats. I thought it was just like a continuous song with no choruses. Oh, no, no. That's just crazy right there. It's all about choruses now. I think it's just like

you just got to do chorus after chorus. There's no rap, just pure choruses. Just big hooks, baby. Just a little bit of like, uh, here and there. There's some big hooks. You got it. Right.

Okay. You rapping over there? Apparently. I didn't realize I am, but I guess so. Big Daddy Moran over here. Getting funky on the mic, huh? We got a hot mic over here. I'm getting jiggy with it.

Oh, shit. No, you can't do that. Whoa, whoa. Will Smith might sue you. We'll figure it out in the studio. That's all right. In the stew. He's just getting loose. you We'll figure it out In the studio That's alright In the stew He's just getting loose

Yeah in the stew In the lab That's what the kids call it I think they call it that Just throw them hands In the air Oh shit But yeah after that shit

Shit started to take off Went on a few East coast tours Did a lot of shows In the city Met a lot of cool people Along the way You know

A few of my friends Pretty much took off Into like superstardom Which is did a lot of shows in the city, met a lot of cool people along the way, you know. Right. Yeah. A few of my friends pretty much took off into like superstardom, which is fucking great. Like whom? Like Samuel T. Heron from Future Islands. Yeah.

You know, like we met just basically at my homie Greg's house, just rapping. Yeah. Just freestyling. Yeah, I've heard he's a pretty good rapper. Oh yeah,

he's really fucking good. Yeah, Rap Dragons are good. And then, because I think they had some beats too that Garrett from Future Islands. He's really fucking good. Yeah, Rap Dragons are good. And then, because I think they had some beats, too, that Garrett from Future Islands. Oh, Mastavor. Yeah, Mastavor is so good. Yeah, Garrett.

Shout out to him. He's a great guy. Yeah, so I love that part of Baltimore, too, where everybody kind of wants to help each other and collaborate, too. Oh, yeah. Shit's fucking perfect. Yeah. I mean, I like it.

Yeah, well, that's the cool thing about like you see like because i was seeing you pop up in my friends feeds on facebook and stuff and like you rapping with ddm and then rapping with sam and then people that i knew that you that i didn't think you knew they're like oh 83 carla's so good it's like this is so fucking cool man yeah it's great to see you like doing well and crushing it yeah i mean i'm glad that you guys are still like doing it and i'm starting to see y'all like a lot more like i would always say because we was friends on like you know social media this that yeah but then like hearing like word of mouth it's like yo they're taking off like their fucking comedy is fucking dope as shit and i'm just like wow this is fucking great like

meeting y'all at one place and then john and seeing how dope bodies like going overseas now and yeah shit like that i'm like then sam's like doing glass and bar now and shit like that i'm like then sam's like doing glass and barry and shit like that i'm just like wow like this is pretty dope my homeboy greg did art basil or basil down in miami last year i was like oh yeah shit's working out pretty smooth you know i'm just like it's not that fucking fantasy land that we all want like right yeah it seems so far away it's like you just show up and do your best and you might you know it progresses and you look back and you're like well i ain't where i want to be but i'm a lot further than i thought i would be yeah totally exactly yeah i try to remember that it's just like i mean ideally you want everything just take off into the stratosphere yeah i want that

fucking minimalist condo and shit by frank lloyd right and i'm just crying watching the river but it's just like so many crying in the river in in your living room just want to be doing this shit and just don't or can't. Right. I mean, for so many years, though, that was my MO. Yeah, me too. Practicing doing it, but going through my own trials and tribulations, not feeling adequate, wasting all my energy getting fucked up and not doing it, just talking about doing it. Yeah, and how great it would be. Can you imagine if?

Yeah, and then it's like after a while you get so angry with yourself. You're like, I have to do this to prove to everyone I am not a fucking liar. Right. Yeah, dude. I can't explain how many. I'm not lying here, guys. I can do this. Is that what you were going to call your EP?

I'm not a proof. I'm not a liar. Look at me now. I told you, grandma. Ooh, you motherfucker. How many bands did you dr drunkenly start like oh parties before yeah that was the thing too like in high school uh even my friend rudy who i played with the other night like it was just so easy and he was singing and stuff it's like yeah i wish it

was just done this like 15 years ago it's like because yeah the only thing that's stopping you from doing it is literally doing it yeah just laziness laziness is just the biggest fucking problem and just fear too it's like what if people don't like it that's exactly what Nietzsche said actually fear is a big thing interesting two things that hold you back yeah it really is just those two things everything about it most of the time at least it makes sense to and then when you look back on it's like yeah we were fucking nervous about playing an arcade on Ken Island who gives a shit like right through the goddamn thing and even if it's not great it's that you're still moving in the

right direction you know actually so it's yeah it's great to see you fucking killing it man it's great to see us y'all doing it like this man like I've been hearing big things about you guys I don't know who's been lying to you but glad the rumors are out there they've been spreading those promotions going pretty well perception but i mean it's just good to see everybody still doing what they intended to do when i met them yeah it wasn't like nobody intended to make fucking pancakes at the paper moon it was just a place to be at the time yeah well it was the first place it's like that a lot of places i go yeah well this paper

moon was the first place i uh i worked at as a cook where we got tip outs yeah me too that was great that was great man That was great, man. Got me so fucked up. It's so many fucking random girls out here that got those drinks, and all I did was walk away. Yeah. They're like, wow, this guy buys drinks and doesn't want anything. With straight cash. Yeah, he buys drinks for everybody.

But he smells like onions. I'm at the fucking strip club Tuesday morning because I got off Monday night smelling like onions. Sure. Pocket full of that cash money. Look, it's the onion guy. It's the onion man. Chad the onion. With those billfolds all up in the club smelling like onions.

They're like, this guy's funky. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. So once I found out you got a tip out and then that you could get free food basically. And as a college student, I was like, hell yeah. Food and money. Yeah. Yeah.

Sign me up. Sign me up. And then, of course, I didn't know the manager was nuts or owner. Oh, God. Nuts, but in a good way. She's like sort of heart of gold in a way, but a lot of yelling. A lot of crazy. A lot of yelling.

A lot of very intense lady. Well, think about it. She grew up in a third world country and is now a millionaire. Yeah. Crazy. A lot of yelling. A lot of, very intense lady. Well, think about it. She grew up in a third world country and is now a millionaire. Yeah. So there's got to be something there. But then I wondered about that because she told me some pretty savage stories about being beaten with rocks under bridges and whatnot. And then stealing some money from a cash register who was a friend of her mother's. Jesus.

And I'm like, was this a boutique in Hong Kong? Yeah. Or was this like, you know, some, you know, food, street side food fucking like stand? Like, I don't really know. I often wonder about that. I know a lot of Republicans will tell a malarkey story about, you know know starting from ground zero and building it up yeah i think that's a lot of the shit rich people just tell poor people yeah i think it could have been it could have been it may not be but yeah i get a lot of that malarkey these days uh barack

obama kind of said a story something like that about well i started with nothing and uh i worked my way on up uh i'm like this guy sounds like a fucking country music singing bill clinton put together like type of writing team he's got behind him man he just inspired all american i thought fucking what's that goddamn guy's name sings like a rock oh uh fuck what is his name travis tritt i don't know like a rock is that uh like i rock whoa illuminati in this motherfucker. Yep. Yep.

Oh, yeah. I thought it was like a rock. I was just like, this dude sounds like he's singing a Chevy song. Like a rock. He just sounds too American and shit. I question this guy. Apparently today he was talking about the terrorist attacks in Paris, and he said, these guys just want to pop off or something like that.

Pop off? Yeah. Whoops. I saw it in the headline. His writer must have been off for the holidays. He's like, I'm just going to pop off or something like that yeah whoops i saw it in the headline his writer must have been off for the holidays it's like i'm just gonna riff man like pop off in the mouth yeah like like slang like oh they're trying to pop off they're trying to get it going like they're just trying to start some shit pop off meant like uh talking shit i could be in a way could but sort of like just get fired up yeah they're just trying to do some

shit i think they done this shit, Obama. I think this shit was completed. They have popped off. Yeah, it is past test. They have popped off. Yeah, but back to Unn. Yeah, immigrant and she would have those manager meetings. I was never a manager, but I just always heard about them.

Me either. Me neither. I refuse to be. Yeah, because of shit like this of like complaining like like busting everybody's balls like she would say like she had to carry pails of water every morning or something like that and you guys can't fucking serve pancakes right and everybody's like we didn't ask you to serve pails of water in the morning or move them or never we didn't have anything to do with your childhood sorry nothing sorry but also making people go to landmark and stuff like yeah. Yeah, I went.

Oh, you went? Yeah, I went. Oh, you was in a cult? You loved it. The lady freaked out on me, too. It was a memorable event. She couldn't break you. Yeah, exactly.

Well, let's break it down. Describe what is Landmark for the people that don't know. I think the name has changed. I don't know. Has it? I think it's something different. Well, I also...

Okay. So what it is is basically a convention slash self-help seminar slash cult. Brainwashing. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm sure it helps a lot of people or whatever. I'm reluctant to call stuff cults, you know. But it does kind of have that vibe, you know.

Cult-y. Yeah, cult-y. Cult-y. Yeah, cult-y. Cult-ish. Yeah, yeah. A cult-et. And basically you go for a weekend and you learn about yourself and you get inspired and you learn that you control your destiny. You go out there and you make it happen.

And also sign up for our next course. We will be coming back in a month. It's like kind of a pyramid scheme because it's kind of it's like you've come this far but you could go further right and do that in january when we're back at the convention center like that's yeah eight month tour yeah and uh tomorrow weirdly a side anecdote i have uh my mom's friend from another state that uh she lived in, her son went to a landmark forum and disappeared and has never been seen again. Whoa. And is listed as a missing person. He must have joined the VIP package.

He was really into it. Yeah, my dad had a friend that did that. He went to one. It was a Jewish guy. He left, came back, Muslim. Changed his name and everything. Really? Yeah.

Damn, you turned Muslim into Landmark? I heard that they got options. I heard that there was a couple. Who would you like to be? We don't discriminate. Come as you are. Sure. No, I was Asian before I went.

Oh, fuck. I heard that there was a couple that worked at the moon. Damn. And got to go to the Landmark Forum. And when they arrived, when they came back, they both quit the moon. So they fucked this. We got the light. Yeah, it went a little too far.

They're like, what do you want to do? Like, certainly not work at a diner. They're like, great. I do remember thinking that. Because you do spend a lot of time thinking about yourself and your life and stuff while you're there. And I do remember thinking, like, is this really what I want to be doing? What the fuck is this?

Would it be totally fucked up if I just quit after this? I'm trying to go to Pluto. Fuck this. Live my dreams. fucked up if I just quit after this? I'm trying to go to Pluto. Fuck this. Live my dreams. Hell yeah. I can control it. So they'll single people out in front of everybody, too, and be like, what do you want? You're like, I don't know.

They're like, what? What do you want? Millions of dollars. That's supposed to be intense, kind of face-to-face, like breaking down the ego type stuff. Yeah. And they do weird tricks, like making the room really cold, and then you take a break and you come back in, it's really warm. Oh warm oh oh those old what is that those old jail tricks huh yeah i think it's like a like military type of tricks to like get you into submission type stuff

just to like trick you into being more submissive just fucking with your mind in general yeah they're probably just like weird little things that they've learned are like make shit i learned in waco texas so right so i had sex with the great leader right of course which was a head of cabbage yes you guys are married right i don't see the head of cabbage we have several children good for you good for you harvest he doesn't like to come out so what did the lady say like oh so what did you do that got her upset um i don't know exactly, but she kind of, I can't, you come up to, like, answer little questions or whatever. You can volunteer. Yeah.

And I came up to, like, answer something. And then she, on a totally different subject, just decided that she was going to, like, break me out of, like, my anxiety or, like, whatever it was that made me, like, kind of a shy little, you know, 22-year-old or whatever I was. Healing. Yeah. And she was going to, like kind of a shy little you know 22 year old whatever i was healing yeah um and she's gonna like break me out of that at that moment through confrontation yeah basically get all up in there yeah she's like in my face being like wake up michael what do you have to prove you just like you know just trying this really intense ask your nominee performance yeah yeah and i i wasn't sure like what i was supposed to do you know like i

had nothing to do with the thing i came up there for and then like so i just like i i was like trying to like be open to it or whatever but it just it basically just turned into her like screaming at me in front of the entire congregation of people hundreds of people yeah it's like no results getting like you're just standing there and i'm like supposed to break or something and like it just ended up i mean if i cared a lot, it would have been really humiliating. But I mostly was just kind of like, what the fuck's going on here? It seems like it's mostly on her. Yeah, like it was a little embarrassing, but I mostly was, you know, it was more she looked crazy.

She questioned her superpowers. Right. God damn it. It's not working. I'm going to have to have a long talk with the head of cabbage. Where's my mojo? Get my shit together. And then she later said said she later called me to her credit she like called me and apologized

and said she acted inappropriately yeah well and said that it was because she didn't know i was on antidepressants at the time that was the reason why i wasn't that's why you didn't feel it that's what she says yep yeah it's an excuse your fault again right you know i put specifically on the application that i was on antidepressants But to her credit she did apologize She took responsibility and she offered to Give me my money back They charged you for this shit?

I think unpaid half and I paid the other half How much was this if you don't mind? Hundreds? With an S You don't go to the landmark for free If you're going to run a scam, you do it to make money. Exactly. Whoa, this is big business.

I shouldn't have been working at the pavement. I should have started a landmark. A lot of people who go to landmark eventually become employed by landmark. Oh. So smart. Yeah. Smart. They know it all.

So what happened when she's up there? Was she just like, tell me? And you're like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it was just kind of, I guess her specific thing was like, you're locked away and you're locking up your true self. Release the devil. Out of ego and pride. Take that devil out. Just wake up and enjoy life.

I don't know. What Jesus has for you. She was like, you are dead inside. Yes. Dead. Be reborn like Jesus the Christ. What do you. She was like, you are dead inside. Yes. Dead. Be reborn like Jesus the Christ. What do you do? Just like, no. I'm just like, well, I got a piss. Okay.

Aren't we all a little bit Susan? You know, it's just good. I just like had an awkward smile on my face like the whole time. How does she dig out? I was like, well, we're going to take a 15 minute break for snacks. Commercial break. It was a pretty awkward. We did have like a break right after that. No, it's like, well, we're going to take a 15-minute break for snacks. Commercial breaks. It was pretty awkward. We did have a break right after that.

It was pretty awkward walking through. And everybody's like, dude. They were thinking about killing you. Yeah. And everybody was kind of supportive of me. Like, Jesus Christ, man. What the fuck's wrong with you? Ladies fucking nuts, man.

Taking my donation back. I brought fucking juice for everyone. For this shit? It's nothing that you can't get from a TED Talk. So I would like to know, did you ever see Ungiver's speech or testimony inside the landmark? No. Never. I saw her interact with other landmarkians at the conclusion of that weekend.

They have a weird handshake? Not that I remember. Does she act the same in her personal life as she does in her business? Well, I've seen her in her personal life before. Is it the same as she is in business world? I would say the earnestness

is there. Like the strong, tough demeanor. Ooh, I love that. But not necessarily the intensity of the fast-paced restaurant world, but definitely the fast-paced restaurant world but definitely like the rock solid yeah you know like commander in chief type of i love that about her yeah yeah she's she's pretty firm yeah she could be sweet though she can be real she could she can yeah i like it when she's firm like tofu right yeah oh firm to extra firm warm tofu off

the grill i remember she caught me texting twice like the first time she's like don't do that and i was like okay and then it was like hours later and then i look up and she's just staring at me and she didn't even say a word it's like i am so sorry it's just like she just shamed me without even a word and i was like okay that husky whisper yeah it's just like yeah what are you doing i can definitely respect her drive and ambition and the fact that she like puts her money where her mouth is. She gets it done. Yeah. She did work her ass off to get to where she is,

whether her past was completely fictional or not. Yeah, either way. The whole addiction and survival skills. It does seem like an anagrave. I'm like, this is a lot. An amalgamation of every possible. Yeah, you're trying to appeal to everyone here. I'm actually a Holocaust survivor. I was on drugs. You this is a lot. An amalgamation of every possible. Yeah, like you're trying to appeal to everyone here. I'm actually a Holocaust survivor.

I was on drugs. You was in the Holocaust. Me too. Black. You black, me black. They threw rocks at you. They threw rocks at me. My mother made me eat rocks.

I was a bare knuckle boxer. I fought Joe Louis. Bare knuckle boxer. Rocky, fuck him. That was me. I arrived here at Ellis Island Not a dime to my name In Pearl Harbor

I was everywhere I used to fight with Leonardo DiCaprio In the streets of New York Cause I couldn't beat his father's ass anymore I had to go to Russia And fight Draco in person And Drake Alright well I guess I'll work hard on my pancakes

Yeah I guess I won't make them bigger than the plate again. I'm so fucking sorry. Todd Brown was nearly trapped in the Old West. And here's the thing. I could see ghosts the entire time. So watch how much root beer you put in that cup. You're like, okay, I get it. All right.

After Billy fired me from the pumpkins. Well, she made us better people today. True. Very true. Shout out to Unkim. She did teach me that if I work my ass off, I can get anything done. And you can yell at people in a basement one day. I hope so.

Hell yeah. I'm halfway there right now. Yeah. We're in a basement. Dixie. Dixie HQ. Just give me a chance to get angry. You want to yell at Chad a little bit?

Please. Yeah. Go for it. Lay into him. Let's hear it. Who are you being? Please. Yeah. Go for it. Lay into him. Let's hear it. Who are you being? Oh, God. Oh, God.

Look, you got him. Yeah, you got me. You touched me. That was one of her big ones. Wake up. Where are you right now? You're not where you need to be. You need to be right here.

You're somewhere else in your face, in your mind. I see it. It's all an old story. But when you want to change change that's when we could talk like shit and all you did was say hello all i did was said i didn't want to work a 15 hour shift on the holiday oh yeah that was the thing too yeah if you wanted to take a break or like take a weekend off it's like you're weak and if you want to smoke a cigarette they damn near hung you in that motherfucker i just want to smoke a cigarette, they damn near hung you in that motherfucker. I just want to smoke a cigarette. Oh, he

wants to smoke. And everybody turns on you. Hey, shit. I'm going to die. I need a break. Goddamn, Danielle can't keep a secret. Don't tell her shit. She will fucking agree with you. Yeah. Fuck that.

Ten minutes later, you're getting pulled into office. And Danielle was writing a write-up. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. I'm like, but it was us. Yeah. We were smoking and talking shit. Danielle was an accountant there for a little bit.

Yeah, a manager. General manager or something. I was like, yo, but it was us. We were just talking shit on a smoke break. Yeah. Chad, you said some very uncomfortable things about her. But you were fucking there with me. And you were saying it too.

Yeah. I never partook in that. That shit was wild. It just seems so weird to me. After that, I shut up. I stopped talking to everybody. Everybody's wired. That's what I thought.

Yeah, no, I didn't want to be involved in that. It seemed like baiting too. It's like, yeah, this is fucked up, right? Yeah. No, it's cool. I have to walk away now. I never really experienced that. Oh, man.

I got a lot of this shit. I remember hearing that stuff. yeah no it's cool i have to walk away now i never really experienced that i just oh man i'm hearing stories like that because i remember hearing that stuff and i was like i i mean we were cool but i just never engaged in any of the uh yeah i mean i think in any place of business you got to try hard to not engage in like the gossip don't take the bait until you stop working there and then you can talk about it on a podcast it's fake bait glitter on it i uh i well while we're on paper moon stories a little inside baseball between us gents but uh i think this is relatable uh so um we worked with this guy let's say his name's charlie just say no way that's too obvious c morymour Ross. Yeah. Seymour Ross. And he liked, he was pretty, I don't want to say sexual deviant, but perverted.

But deviantly sexual. Yeah. Right. And one time I was working a day shift, and I think it was pretty slow. So I was working on the line, Charlie was the manager. And then we had a server on and his wife just had a baby. And they were talking about like breast milk or something like that. We were joking around. And I was like, you ever taste that breast milk? Just kind of fucking around.

He's like, yeah, it's like kind of salty. And then so we're joking around. And then Charlie was saying he's like, well, if Amanda, my girlfriend, he's like, would you drink her breast milk? Like while you're like doing it uh would you drink her breast milk like while you're like doing it or something like that it's like dude no way what are you talking about and he's like man you're so vanilla like he was like and so like all day it was this thing and amanda was coming in at four to work that night and he's like well when she gets here i'm gonna man you're gonna be embarrassed it's like charlie there's no way so we're we're sitting on the

porch at the end of the shift. Amanda comes up and is like, let me ask you. And I put the question to her. And she goes, ew, gross. And Charlie's like, well, I got to go. And got to drive immediately. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I remember he's like, you are so vanilla.

I was like, what? You're a fucking weirdo. I don't think that's that extreme, honestly. It's still just crazy to enjoy your chick's breast milk erotically. That's nuts. I don't think I would be into it, but I don't feel like that's that weird. Yeah, I've seen a lot on XXNX, milk squirting. I think it's a big thing.

Yeah, I remember you saying, I think we talked about porn one time. Are we talking about pregnant porn or something? Oh, yeah, the pregnant porn, man. It got me for a while. I couldn't escape it. Now I'm just totally like, no, that shit looks like responsibility. This porn scares me. Yeah, I forgot about this until now.

I remember you being like, ready to pop five? That's my shit. That was a good one. Back when I was a young whooper snapper Indulging in DVD porn But now that this Internet shit's out This shit's dangerous Oh it's game on

This shit's dangerous Wide open It will take your Fucking free time How does anybody Work from home Man how do you do it I can't open a little

Nasty computer thing Without If I'm alone Oh god Yeah I was totally Like fighting with Like my angel and my devil Were totally fighting

This morning When I'm like All the time Gotta get this done But porn exists Especially that Wifi connection's strong It's right there

It's real strong If that's You got those full bars baby It's time to HD See that's what That's what shows you No matter how good life gets

You'll still hate life Because if you would've told me Like 10 years ago That I could have Any porn I want for free At any time Any time Anywhere Anywhere I'd have been like Wow that's happiness That is pure happiness like 10 years ago that i could have any porn i want for free at any time anytime anywhere i'd have been like wow that's that's happiness that is pure happiness you don't want that there'd be

no reason to be sad again but then it shows how jaded you get to because you're like if you had a selection of like 10 videos like 10 years ago right wow this is strong amazing now you're like next next oh god what's the rating nope nope not doing that people rating porn videos oh my god he's commenting he's fucking porn bloggers there's great people comment she loves it like they said it's like something that's a great cum shot it'll be like nice i saw one where some guy was ragging on uh uh a guy for an opposite thing. He's like, man, that chick's that hot, and you only had that little bit of cum? Oh, God.

That guy's like, you're looking for bigger loads. Like, homie, you just need to get honest. Get honest about your search, man. Loving the loads. Big loads. Yeah, big loads all in your face. That's what he needs to look up. Load lover nine.

He's not impressed. Load lovers. Damn, that's fucked. Yeah, this porn all in your face. That's what he needs to look up. Load lover nine. He's not impressed. Load lovers. Damn, that's fucked. Yeah, this porn shit, man. It's just too much. Like, I can't fight it. And I try sometimes. I tell myself in the morning, I'm not going to do it.

But then, two seconds later, then you're just, like, locking the doors and closing the curtains. Looking around. Setting up the alarms. Peeping around. Laser sensors. Setting up your section. You know, Gorilla doors and closing the curtains. Looking around. Setting up the alarms. Peeping around. Laser sensors. Setting up your section. Gorilla tape on the camera, the laptop. Like, okay, stop that.

Nobody can see me. Yeah. You hear shit. You have one of those giant Indiana Jones balls set up. Booby traps. In case somebody comes in. Then you turn around and see the dog looking at you, and you're like, oh my God. The dog knows.

The dog knows. The dog gives you a weird look like, what are you doing? Come on, man. Why? I'm supposed to be the animal. What are you doing? And I'm just being a savage over there. Yeah, that's the fucking worst when an animal won't.

What about when you're looking at porn on your phone and your mom calls or something? Oh, that's the worst. Or yeah, you get a text or something like that. Man, that is the fucking worst. What are you up to? You don't you don't delete it on your phone you just like go to work and you like checking your message you're like whoa whoa whoa blue screen bad news i found mine like has a weird section that's like

most visited sites or something oh god don't press the wrong button oh it's like ah yeah i thought i deleted everything really yeah and that bookmarkmark icon is way too close to the X icon. So close. Just a bookmark ready to pop by. Your friend's like, let me go to AirBid on your computer. Anal sluts. Like, no, you shouldn't have hit A. Sorry about that.

You shouldn't have hit A. Any letter is a problem. Yeah. No A's. No P's. It's like 12 fucking letters on your keyboard that are like dark and like greasy as fuck. Like, stay away from those duck keys, man. Those are the most frequently used.

The phone has made things way easier, I think. Way worse, too. My one friend, he's like, man, my girl don't like me jerking off, but when I be at work in that stall with that phone, I was like, whoa. He's like, man, I got to. Hard not to.

I was like, damn. See, that's on her, though. She's making him a criminal got him see that's on her though she's making him a criminal yeah she's fucking up yeah i'm not going to say his name just just fucking imagine his name's charlie no imagine if we lived like in the 70s you'd have to like go to a movie house with other men or like go to some like seedy bookstore and buy like shitty magazines and books that were like way too expensive. Yeah, it made a lot of noise. Turn those pages in the bathroom.

30 magazines. Or you'd have to order them and get them in the mail. Oh, and that little manila envelope. Everybody knows. They all know. You're a hardcore porn addict when you order that shit back in the day. I probably ordered a few things. Sure. I definitely went to a gas station or two.

It's like, oh, what do we got going on? Oh, hell yeah. Oh, you have magazines and bags. I wonder what these are like. I'll take several. Dude, I remember one time I bought one, and the rofo guy kept fucking it up for some reason. He couldn't scan it or something.

It's taking too long. People are lining up behind me. Oh, God. Now the porn guy's holding up the line. Yeah, yeah. He's like, God damn, what is it? I was finally like, just forget it. Fucking $7.84 like last time.

Let's hurry this shit up. It was the most disappointing walk home. I thought I was going to have some fucking porn. Dick just hard. Just, ugh. I could have had it. I'll go back in a few minutes. Or Blockbuster back in the day, because Blockbuster would not have porn, but they'd have the Cinemax software.

Yeah, you'd have to find tits. It's always horrible. But they were kind of out in the general population. You don't even have to act like you were looking at the movie next to it. Right. You're just like, oh, Vixen's 9. I wonder what this movie's about. When you were a little kid, you like have go-to's in

the video store that you knew you could look at the back of and like see some catch a little bit oh for sure yeah like while your mom wasn't looking you know yeah i remember when showgirls was out i was like i've heard a lot of things i've heard you know a lot of talk about this i don't know what it's about i'm interested i mean there was a there was a movie called jekyll and hyde together and again that I would always run to in the comedy section because it showed a big pair of breasts on the back. Like exposed breasts? Yeah, exposed breasts. But they were like giant.

I guess that was a joke in the movie. He made giant breasts. But they looked real. They made me horny. Well, it doesn't take much back in the day. Getting horny as a kid man i look back i was making major mistakes oh yeah i was in that bathroom too long it didn't smell like poop i gotta take a shit again right locked the doors no smell no noise the summer between

eighth and ninth grade when i first moved to maryland was a bad one and i had i had no i just moved here so i didn't know anybody i had had nothing to do but hang out with myself all day long and all night long. I remember I would just like... Looks like it's just me and you, Mike. I had no porn or anything, so I remember I got so desperate that I would draw pictures of me having sex. You're like a caveman back in the day,

just drawing it all. I remember it was just like a nightly ritual just over and over and over. I could like ejaculate like 20 times in a row. Man, when I was younger, they had this fucking shit would come on TV. The El Dorado Strip Club was on fucking public access television. What? It would come on at exactly midnight.

Like it would be like a fucking commercial about like fucking Life Alert playing. Like, I'm so glad I got Life Alert. And if that shit was playing at exactly 12, the shit came straight on. Like, it would go from fucking, I'm falling. ITT tech. You should join ITT. Next thing you know, it's like, hey, welcome to the world class Eldorados. And you could just watch all the most big butt strippers on Baltimore Street shake their ass.

What? On public access TV in Baltimore. How is that possible? This shit was amazing. Did they show nudity? No, not nudity, but just damn close. butt strippers on Baltimore Street shake their ass on public access TV in Baltimore. How is that possible? Wow. This shit was amazing. Did they show nudity? No, not nudity, but just damn close. Wow.

But for a kid in fucking ninth grade to feel like you were in the strip club. That's enough. It was enough. That's enough. Oh, it was enough. I needed a television after that. I didn't even know why television was important at no point. I was like, cartoons?

Fuck that. I want to go to sleep. I've seen some big butt strippers yeah now i'm like i need this tv in my room remember back when you needed a huge fucking tv and a vcr to watch some porn oh yeah well what about figuring out you could record it once you had uh like blank tapes and stuff like that yeah it was amazing oh yeah i had like every snippet of skin of max and yeah and but you're labeling tapes like MTD. Yeah, exactly. Mine was Child's Play.

I taped over Child's Play. I had this huge collection of little snippets of HBO Showtime. Your parents are like, I didn't know they made a Child's Play 7. You're like, yeah, they're all Child's Play. Hot Springs. Child's Play in space.

Child's Play goes to hell. Well, you know. It's not like you're being that far out of the realm. That's true. Or maybe my parents were like, sure, Michael. They made a Jason goes to hell and a Jason goes to space and Manhattan. We know what those tapes really are. That's all right.

No, really. It really did. Don't worry about it. Freddy versus Jason. Oh, sure. I'll bet Jason Take a break Gotta go pee pee Chad's gonna go run to the bathroom

Drain the lizard so to speak You gotta go to the one you went before It better smell like shit in there when you're done All that masturbation talk Might have gotten you riled up I know his M.O. You talk about public access porn with that guy And he just can't help himself.

It's like Superman running, or like when Clark Kent disappears for a minute. If Clark Kent just masturbated. That's all he's doing. That's what he's really doing. In that phone booth, he's like, I just need to get in there just real quick. What if he just times it just right so it appears that people think he's superman like everybody's like sure clark we like you know they secretly know he's superman but they don't say anything oh really he's just doing it like that so they think he's superman but he's actually just masturbating he's like oh i'm a superman all

right i'm pretty good oh my god that would be a great sketch like uh-oh something's gone wrong there's a monster attacking the tower yeah clark where'd you go and then like they wait for superman on the tv nothing he's just masturbating yet he comes back sweaty and his hair is a little unkempt oh i just saved another life i mean no i didn't i't. I'm Superman. Yeah. What if it has to go the other way? It's like, were you masturbating? No, I'm Superman. Really?

Because the woman died. Yeah, I was a little late. Sorry about that. Well, while we take this little potty break. Sure. Let's see. Anything to follow up on from our previous podcast? I don't think we have any open action items.

Your car is clean. My car is clean. Are there residual stains from the Uber? I'll tell you what, man. Uber throw up? No, not that I can see, but it did start to smell like puke again. Oh, no. Yeah.

Like once the cleaning's going away. You're lucky it's not summer. That would have been brutal. Yeah. Yeah it did start to smell like puke again. Oh, no. Yeah. Like, once the cleaning smell went away. You're lucky it's not summer. That would have been brutal. Yeah. Yeah. It started to smell like vomit, but I think it's since gone away. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. For a second, I was like, Jesus Christ, when is this ever going to end? Is there just, like, little vomit bits embedded in, like, everything? Probably. Somebody threw up in your Uber car? Yeah. Like, hardcore. He drives an Uber.

And somebody threw up. One of the dudes he picked up. Like, serious throwing up. Like, vomit after vomit threw up. One of the dudes he picked up. Like serious throwing up. Like vomit after vomit after vomit. Oh, one of those. Yeah. One of those whoops I didn't eat today. No wasted guy.

No, he did eat a lot that day, actually. Oh, God. Mike saw all of it. Yeah. Is that a taco? Is that a small village? Were you at Woodbury Kitchen? God damn.

That's fucking roast. I think he was at... Oh, God. Here come the appet roast. I think he was at... Oh, God, here come the appetizers. Those chimichachas? No, he's at Brewer's Art. Oh, gotcha. Well, they make good food there.

And talk about art. Big time. Speaking of art, you're an artist, Chad. Oh, yeah. That's segue. Speaking of vomits. So, yeah yeah i really love your album dude it's really good oh thank you very good and uh it's dark though but very dark but it's really good now do you feel like like kind of like what we were talking about before that it's like getting it's kind of just getting all that shit out like yeah pretty much it was

it was more of a therapeutic than yeah like entertainment kind of thing yeah it's kind of just getting all that shit out like yeah pretty much it was it was more of a therapeutic than yeah like entertainment kind of thing yeah it's like it's not it doesn't really have an entertainment perspective to it it's mostly like oh people who like it is because they can relate to it like directly like i've felt like this and i think too it's just so honest that's the thing which is good and bad at sometimes i must say yeah if it's a little too exposed yeah because like people will yell out all your downfalls in a club and in an exciting way chad stay away from the cocaine and white girls yo stop doing that shit yo you don't want to be a junkie like yo and i'm like how the fuck do you know oh i told you fuck fuck yeah thanks buddy how's the basement your grandma okay who are you like shit this is fucked up but

like it was more yeah more therapeutic thing that just to get it out you know but do it in an artistic way which is a good and a bad thing like you know sometimes i don't want to revisit those thoughts so like doing shows i may be in a good mood and then after the show i'm not really in the fucking really because you got to get back in that head space probably when you're doing that shit. Which leads me to make a lot more new shit, which is mostly what I perform now. Oh, really? Some of the songs I just don't want to do live. Some of the shit I just don't want to do live.

No, that makes sense. Especially if you're working on, not to say happier stuff, but newer stuff that's not in that vibe. You're like, all right, now here's song about how uh my mom doesn't love me one two three yeah it's like a club full of drunk people don't really want to like think right you know it's like don't make everybody sad tonight chad please don't do that don't be sad chad but it's like i mean the new shit i'm making is just as impactful and like you know fucking intense but it's just yeah it goes up and down it's not just going to take you so far in the hole you're just like well i can't listen to this today i'm trying to have like a fucking good day yeah you

know some of you just a little too heavy and then i realized that like this really doesn't do anything for anyone else but me yeah i feel great to show like oh yeah i feel great yeah but one of the important people are like people love about music is when they can relate to like do that to me the darker aspects of somebody else's life yeah it's definitely necessary you know and it helps other people like oh i'm not the only one to feel like it's like okay cool yeah then it shows other people like oh i could just make some shit in my house too as long as i do it to a t whether it's depressing or uplifting right as long as i do it correctly like this shit will get noticed and you can like you know benefit from it in some ways you can get like i mean 40 a show and some drink tickets

you know like this is the life here yeah right and get 40 and drink tickets yeah for like 20 minutes does it get lonely up there on your pedestal nope the loneliest has gotten like after i got like i was speaking to this class about like hip-hop in baltimore at hopkins oh really for an hour wow they gave me 200 fucking bucks i was like this fucking this is the life and then when you go back to like doing the 20 minute set for like 30 and three drink tickets like wait wait wait yeah i'm an honorarium you've seen this fucking check like look at look at look at who they paid baby carry it around you never cash yeah nope i just wear that shit i duct taped it on a shirt right and just wore that shit then i blew it up and then like made money out of it. Yeah, it's laminated now.

They can't take it from me. No, no, no. You do get free quesadillas. Quesadillas, yeah. Well, not actually. People don't really give you food to do shows. They often give you drink tickets, which kind of turns you to a fucking alcoholic.

Yeah, aren't musicians always starving to death? Yeah. Because you're so drunk. You get food at comedy spots sometimes, too, but that is usually the thing, too. It's like two free drinks. Yeah, you're so drunk you get food at comedy spots sometimes too but that is usually the thing too it's like drink two free drinks and you're just always around it they think it's like a 50 bill hey here you go you're like what the fuck yeah money be cool too but money be great that's okay you pay for this greyhound so yeah how much are you touring now oh right now uh got some shows in richmond been doing a lot of shows there not doing any

actual touring like you know hitting numerous states at the moment but like just kind of like one-nighters or yeah like a few shows in baltimore yeah a few shows in like richmond uh some shit in new york uh trying to venture out more to the west coast and midwest i think they need a lot more of like you know east coast shit out there nice but other than that i don't have a booking agent or a publicist or like a manager and i'm not really in like trying to be one of those dudes like i'm not trying to be the promoter the booker or the manager that shit is like that's his own job yeah it's his own beast yeah and i haven't been working at that all my life right no because it's distracting too from what you want to do because it's a whole nother part of

the job of being like i mean it's parallels with comedian where you're like hey i'd love to get on this show or you're like talking to this person you got to make your way there it'd be so much easier if somebody was like hey chad do you want to do these string of dates great i can do it i'll work out the price and all that all you have to do is show up yeah that'd be amazing like i would pay my own way there we could chalk the money up after everything's over sure yeah but for you to set up logistics and get all that out of the way would be amazing it's a fucking headache yeah definitely and then at the end of it it's like still you're like will people come like after you do all that fucking work you make all the fucking music you do all the fucking artwork you fucking promote do this but spend all your own money and then you're sitting there like waiting for people to come through the door

like yeah it's tough am i doing all of this to make sure a person comes in here like wow that was great let me clap a little bit like i'm to the point now i'm just like fuck these claps like these claps don't pay no bills interesting motherfuckers 500 likes on instagram equals zero dollars it's like food stamps you're kind of rich in a way. You look at SoundCloud, like, oh, they're listening. Oh, I'm catching the bus again. Oh, shit. Checking your SoundCloud on the bus. Checking your SoundCloud on the bus.

Checking your SoundCloud at 7-Eleven. Like, whoa, they're listening. Hey, 7-Eleven, man, they're listening. 7-85. Oh, I got 84. Can I pay you in likes? I got a lot of likes here. I can pay you in likes.

I'm stacking these likes like nobody's business. There's 200 hearts, bro. Take that. Give him the thumbs up. I'm going to turn that piece of paper over and show you. Here's two retweets, and then I have 13 likes, and I think we're good. Those are numbers you can't refuse. I think my friend Mark Zuckerberg might take care of the bill today.

Exactly. Okay, so you're working on new shit. When are you going to put out a new album? Because I listened to you on Heights Podcast. Oh, yeah. We got really like the team of people I'm working with right now for all of the newer songs we've been doing. Like Black Sage and Samuel T. Haring from Future Islands. Most of it is We're doing it through

My homeboy Alex Zoo Okay Who goes by The Zookeeper On Twitter And he's an amazing producer Really good engineer You know Mixing masters

All of my stuff And we pretty much got A really good workflow Cool man So like We're just taking it project by project Right now Gotcha

As opposed to like Making our own project with just me. So it's like we got features with Sam, Josie from Black Sage, and then, like, more features coming. And we're just going to try to focus more on, like, making every single song a fucking great song as opposed to, like, overwhelming ourselves. We got to meet all of these fucking, like, meet all of these track lists. It's like, okay, we need eight songs. So it comes down to like you won't be able to put as much into yourself with one song when you know that's just the first stone. Yeah.

So it's like let's just exhaust ourselves with one song and put everything we know. That's a good call. And then we'll be like fucking exhausted with nothing and then realize, okay, we need to motivate ourselves and make some new shit. It's like just pull out all the tricks and stuff. Yeah, totally. And then restart from there. I wish more artists would do it that way just concentrate on getting one great song at a time yeah instead of like trying to spread it too thin especially now that like the cd era is

over with you know right it's like it's no point just do it like porn on the internet give me hot scenes baby right it's all i don't want to load feature i need a whole dvd i need a plot line yeah when you see the videos that are like 45 minutes long you're like oh god i don't need all that we don't need all that you don't need all that come on but no that's a great way to think about it too because i think in this day too people still think about the totality of everything especially when it's like because i what i was getting at uh you on a heights podcast was that everybody's like okay that ep was great what's the next thing

yeah i'm not even there and like i didn't even i put that out that took a lot of fucking work it wasn't like well i just kind of spent a three-day weekend and knocked it out you want another record yeah i'll do it tomorrow i'm not one of those rappers to be like i don't ever sleep i'm always in the studio like yeah no the fuck i'm not i don't know what the hell you would write about if you was always in a studio with fucking black foam walls yeah i mean goddamn electronics yeah it's like i need experiences i need shit that's actually like touch who actually touch people because they went through the same shit and touch the same fucking environments and situations like i can't just be like oh let me just churn this shit on out like i am not in that fucking mass-produced like category yeah that shit

is okay for some people but i will never be at a point where i'm just like churning out a bunch of fucking shit i'm too like fucking skeptical of myself and like too self-conscious to even ever just like flood any market with anything without like stepping back like what the fuck am i really very few artists that do that are really all that great i think think. Like, if you put out, like, six albums in a year or something like that. Yeah, it's just like your overnight shit. Mostly filler, you know. Yeah, it's just like I'm just riding the wave.

Here's a little substance in between. I'm just making shit to make shit versus enjoying what you're making. Right. It's like I can't really do it like that. And then, like, right now, a few of my tracks, like, we sent them to a good friend of mine, Dan Deacon. So he's,'s like remixing some shit right now nice dude so with like tracks with like josie then me and sam are working on more tracks um we we got i got just like one track doing with like uh over a mad lib beat

so yeah because i saw uh sam did one yeah sam's got a project out with with is samuel t hern and mad lib they got a limited edition vinyl. It's like a 250-piece vinyl. That's crazy. What's he go by? Hemlock Ernst? Hemlock Ernst. Yeah.

Yeah. Not Ernest, but Ernst. Ernst. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, doing more shit with him. I think his whole story's crazy, too, because he wanted to be a rapper first. Oh, yeah.

He kind of always did. Wow. Yeah, like, since high school, like, wanted to rap, but, like, was always talented with singing. And, you know, it's like, just writing stuff, you know? Uh-huh. stuff you know i write raps i write songs because i can sing let me try this out like and then future islands takes off yeah like i still want to rap yeah but it's like he was like you know doing it grinding out with them for like 12 years he said before they like got any type of publicity anybody even noticed me he was like you know before that 12 years i was with blank blank blank amount of bands

you know how old is sam uh i think he's like 30 31 maybe really yeah he's like he's young as shit to be like you know in that type of yeah he was pretty committed pretty early yeah like he definitely like spent you know paid his dudes like a motherfucker and like hip-hop they toured as well as like fucking like alternative band trial and tou tour i think they're pretty much always touring it was like tour put out a record tour even more and just crush it live that's why it was so cool to see them blow up because i think everybody in baltimore already knew it's like they're so fucking good it's such a good live band that it's like oh yeah of course everyone else is going to notice eventually but yeah it took years what level of fame Would you say they're at Right now

Are they rock stars Yeah I would say They're pretty I mean When you went David Letterman twice Yeah And only because

He requested you The second time And he put him On his final montage Like on his last show Yeah Before he retires They were on like

The final week Or like second week Or maybe it was like The week before But that was a huge Fucking deal Yeah like Glastonbury, it's like, what,

like, a hundred block radius of, like, just people, like, and then do Governor's Ball, like, right after that New York one. Yeah, yeah. Like, I think they're pretty fucking big. It's weird,

because, like, hanging with them, it doesn't feel like that. No, because he'll be like, oh, that's the dude at Club Charles in the trench coat. Yeah, yeah.

And they're all such nice guys. Like, we had the drummer they tore with Mike Lowry on, mike knew him and uh yeah i i follow him on instagram so like you'll see these crazy pictures like thanks singapore and it's just like a fucking stadium full of people you're like they got to open for leonard skinner yeah they're like posing i was just chilling with this dude like drinking a beer like what the hell i know it's weird i'm glad i never knew him from that perspective like when i met him yeah it was just like they were like getting super big yeah but we were just like it was just about hip-hop like we would just like freestyle

over my homeboy house and like you know drink beers and shit and chill and talk about music and then he would always be like yeah because i'm in a band and my band's getting pretty noticed you should check it out and then one day it was just like everybody was like you was with that guy he was this and he's that. I'm like, whoa, what the fuck are y'all talking about? The guy I drink beers with? Yeah, like my homie. He can rap.

They're like, no, he can sing. And I'm like, no, he can rap. They're like, no, he can sing. I was like, okay, this is crazy. Yeah. Well, he's a pretty talented guy. Yeah. I noticed it once when we were in Charles Village and this dude and his girlfriend flipped the fuck out.

Really? Yeah. We was at the bar just getting a six-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon. And this dude and his girl just got the crazy eyes like, whoa, oh my God. And you're like, guys, it's just me. It's cool. Don't worry. And then they just walked right by you.

I was like, Sam, it's cool. It happens like this to me all the time. I'm like, it's me, 83 Cutlass, right? I know. Sam, will you take a picture of the three of us real quick, please? Thank you. And then the girl drop kicked me in the face and took a picture next to Sam. And I was just like, is it you?

Or is it me? I don't know. She probably mistake you for me, Sam. Yeah. We look a lot alike. I think that's what it was. It's the jackets. Well, let him have his moment, you know?

I'll let the kid enjoy himself. Aw, shucks. You rarely, it never happens to him. So let him have fun with it, you know? Share the fame. But yeah, it's like I mean basically We just do a lot more Hip hop shit together

Yeah We never did a track Where like he sings Cause like That's not really like I think he probably Doesn't want to either right Yeah

I mean maybe if it happens Organically But you don't want to force it Is it like awkward Like yeah You think you could sing Yeah I would never even Ask him that like

Yeah you think you could Like sing on it Cause like I mean Once you like him that. Like, yeah, you think you could, like, sing on it? Because, like, I mean, once you're, like, in that type of space, it's like, it involves, like, lawyers and managers. Really? Oh, interesting. I mean, yeah, because, like, if you're in a group and you're singing, like, you're kind of obligated to each other. So how does that work when you guys are doing tracks together? Oh, being that he raps, it's a totally different thing, you know?

Interesting. Yeah, but, like, I mean. And he goes by a different alias and all that stuff. Yeah, because, like, and he uses his actual name in future islands right but it's like those dudes like Bennett's like 12 years so it's like yeah I would never want to ask him to do something that they've been doing for so fucking long it would be like a cheap shot I wouldn't feel like I was being a good friend to him like oh you guys are blowing up off you singing oh you guys let me borrow

some of that shine some hooks yeah like i would never just be like yo drop a draco on this one like you know i would never that would just like be too much i'm just like yeah yeah just douchey too like yeah like it just seems so cheap advantage yeah he never like naturally incorporates his singing into rapping now uh not that i've heard i've heard a few things Where he's done Where it's like I thought it was like An old soul sample And it was actually just him

Messing around Because he produces music himself He makes some pretty dope beats I heard quite a few of them I'm sure he does Yeah But no It's just so cool

To see you guys Working on stuff together too Yeah this shit is wild It's pretty fucking dope He's a great MC So it's like It's like a no brainer I always want to hear What he got to say and he never raps about the same shit like over

and over somewhere okay cool yeah like it's just like really honest like it's just like really honest from a totally different perspective so it's like type of artist i am i could always appreciate you know yeah hearing people like rap from their heart and not from like you know yeah the perspective of what they think the world wants. Yeah, I think that's what's so great about your record, too. We were saying it's so honest, but it's maybe not relatable to everybody, but it's still like, man, this guy's really saying something about himself and trying to work through stuff. Right, which is totally unpopular in the hip-hop world right now.

Is it ever, really? You know what I mean? True. But I think it's as far as mainstream goes. Yeah. unpopular in the hip-hop world right now but is it ever really you know what i mean but i think i think it's like as far as mainstream goes yeah you know like it's uh like i was hearing about um god i think it was like kendrick lamar was he was performing with somebody they're doing like a mini like festival tour or something like that and kendrick lamar was headlining and the guy before him god who was the guy before him was like i forget what he was but it was more

like mainstream hip-hop and like everybody would be going off and like into young mc yeah i think so it was uh mc scat cat remember him shit in the animals no he went mc snow in but i remember tons of people and so and then uh kendrick lamar who's super respected, but his stuff's a little more, you have to think about it a little more. You got to pay attention a little more. Can't just be drunk and dance. Yeah. And he's the headliner.

And they said half the people would leave. When Kendrick started? Yeah. Really? Because they're just like, yeah, we had our fun. We don't feel like having to learn. Toilet riding. Yeah.

Word stuff. But still, Kendrick Lamar is going be more respected I think Than by like critics And people that are Actually into music So it's like that weird thing Where it's like You make music a substance But it's not always

Like the best vibe Yeah I think I mean for the most part I mean Kendrick is So big now A lot of people Are attracted to the image Of being so big

And like being a lyricist But not actually the substance Or the content of a lyricist Right they just know He's a superstar yeah and it's like it's cooler to say you at the kendrick show to a lot of people than to actually sit there and listen to him and actually try to make sense of it right it's just like some cool shit to say when you like on a blog like so the kendrick show was this yeah or something to tweet about like i'm at the kendrick show whoa shit go crazy yeah but you're really in the parking lot leaving yeah you know it's like what a wild time yeah like i was at the kendrick in the parking lot leaving. You know, it's like, what a wild time.

Yeah, like I was at the Kendrick show. It was just something cool to say. It's like, I mean, it's fucked up how much image has like overshadowed every goddamn thing. Every perspective of anything that led your image to be popular is now overshadowed by just the sheer image. Yeah, it's branding. Yeah, it's like just big.

Who the fuck listens to a Lady Gaga song? I cannot name one of her songs, but she's fucking huge still. I couldn't either. Yeah, I couldn't tell you the name of one of her albums. Poker Face. Oh, yeah. That's her song. Yeah, yeah.

There you go. Yeah. I couldn't tell you who produced a great song on her third album. I couldn't tell you nothing, but I know the image. Yeah. She's big and she wears raw meat yeah like she did it on purpose i think she could be a great fucking artist like she could be an amazing artist but she's actually a really good piano player see and we would never

know that because the fucking meat outfit yeah outweighs a real fucking talent or she dressed like an egg when she went to the emmys they're like oh she's at it again she's doing that thing yeah yeah i'll go see her live i don't know any of her songs they're like Oh she's at it again She's doing that thing Yeah I'll go see her live I don't know any of her songs But she's popular She's wearing that egg Right I think it was steak last time

Fucking breakfast tour Right Steak and eggs tour Where she's actually Covered in steak and eggs All her band members Dressed up like a different Like it's the breakfast club

It's like Charlemagne and shit DJ Envy Let's go out to the lobby Like A little Waze The all breakfast store The whole breakfast club Morning show

Yeah you see the steak and egg show So sick bro Fry those eggs in Moet Yeah I was like fuck this shit Jesus There's Frank's syrup Into the audience

Right like I was just It's just like It just got so far now That image is just like Yeah Everything I just feel bad for the people That follow that shit, like grown-ass fucking people just like chasing images. But they're totally fickle.

They're into it for like a year, and then they're into something else. True. Yeah, it's phased. It's like I guess I'm just like older now, and I don't go through those hard phases anymore. But watching other people go through them, I'm just like, man, you're like my age. Like what the hell do you mean? Like you're really into live shows no matter who performs you're just like into the live show thing like yeah like calm down buddy that shit's a little weird yeah i'm not following bands through fucking

state to state no buying them lunch no so what is uh what is your live show like because i haven't seen i've seen a couple videos more of the cyphers i've seen some cyphers chat and that's weird the fucking cyphers the shit that I was doing Like just for free Outside of a club Made more people Saying that than My actual shows

But like my shows Are like Live as fuck Very fucking intense Almost like the intensity Of like a punk rock show But not like A punk rock show

By like some high school kids Who are like Trying to imitate Like a black flag show Yeah it's not like A fucking kid Trying to act like Black Sabbath

Because they heard their parents' record for the first time. Like, we're going to be angry and stir shit up. And they're jumping around, but they sound like shit. It's like really fucking, as Dan Deacon says, angst.

It's like shit's real angst. Very fucking, I would say, very aggressive. The beats, the type of music, the selections. It's real fucking kind of industrial, as people say. it just you up there yeah just me sometimes drew scott from black sage djs for me but i google liked my i googled myself one day and it said like artists public enemy tupac and common sense wow so i was like wow like i don't even have a fucking record this works so it's basically like that's a strong mix i ride the fine line between rapping realistically and conscious i never want to be a conscious

rapper because this shit just sound like complaining right it's like complaining and i think i'm gonna smell patchouli in a while yeah or like your english teacher decided to rap yeah it's just like sitting in the chair backwards yeah it's like Yo okay you know all the words And it sounds all cool But it's like I ride the fine line Between like Conscious and reality Never fucking Dipping on the conscious side

Just more of how I see life How I've fucking Been through shit You know And just put it into Like a fucking Artistic form Yeah

But I I've listened to a lot of music Before I made music Like Oh yeah Only thing I really listened to Was like old ass soul Or like chain gang music From like the 40s And 30s and shit I rarely listened to a lot of music before I made music. Oh, yeah. The only thing I really listened to was old-ass soul or chain gang music from the 40s and

30s and shit. I rarely listen to a lot of fucking rap music. It's only about maybe eight or nine rappers that I would actually be like, oh, yeah, I fuck with this. I fuck with that. Yeah. Other than that, it's just old women singing soul from the secular years in the 40s and shit.

Really? That shit is way more fucking intense than me. That's creepy dark. Yeah. really that shit is like way more fucking like that's creepy dark yeah like more fucking like passionate and substance filled yeah like fucking a gold chain song or some shit it is weird how that carries through like when you think about the recording process because it's like there's there's zero computers you have to nail it every time and to have soul from it too but like to nail it from a technical standpoint and then from like different musicians in one room yeah but then from just a personal level too to have heart and be good

technically is really impressive yeah it's like every time you hear like a great soul song you feel like you were at a performance because they literally had to nail that performance like yeah the he had to be on point with the drums the violin section had to be on point oh we starting to fuck over yeah like no we're scrapping the whole project yeah so it's literally like and to get that feeling to be portrayed through like fucking like what a three or four track machine yeah you gotta really put a performance out there it's not like you're just in a studio either with that pressure of like if we fuck up we're starting over yeah it's gotta feel organic i'm gonna be rushed yeah i'm gonna be in the moment but i'm also gonna crush it too yeah i'm gonna be accurate as fuck in the moment, give a lot of myself, but not enough to win

so I'm exhausted or fuck up. That's a real performance every time you do that shit, and it's like that shit comes through in the music. It's not like a dude rapping with a fucking iPhone in front of him in a fucking studio because he got a new fucking Mac. Yeah, right, yeah. I got a MacBook.

I'm a DJ now. I'm a fucking producer. I'm a graphic designer. I got some fucking producer. I'm a graphic designer. I got some instrumental records. I know what I'm doing. Right. Like, motherfucker, you ain't the only one with that app. Shit.

Well, are you in a good spot now? Like, how do you feel just about music and then, like, where you are probably just in life? Oh, life is crazy as fuck. Like, the older I get, the more I realize how stupid I was before. But that's how it's supposed to go at least you know changing yeah i'm learning i'm uh i'm getting more into this like uh you know uh non-genderized roles and shit some people hit me with some new info about info about gender and you know how you define yourself as a man or a woman and how that's just a fucking you know plot by somebody else to make you do what they want to do and shit. Right.

You know, question your masculinity or femininity depending on their best interest. So I'm starting to learn a lot more these days. Okay. I'm sitting back and I'm learning. My kids are getting older. Yeah, how old are your kids, man? I'm starting to realize them are 12, 10, 7 months. Whoa.

Yeah, so I've been like all the stages of life. Oh, my God. Pre-puberty, 10-year-old kid don't know where the hell his shoes at. Whoa. Yeah, so I've been like all the stages of life. Oh, my God. Pre-puberty, 10-year-old kid, don't know where the hell his shoe's at. Right. To another kid who just wants to suck some tits for milk. That's a 12-year-old? Oh, yeah, man. She just won't stop.

She's huge. She's at that age. She's huge, man. She's like fucking like Shaq size. Milk will do that for you. Drinking milk 12 years straight. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Well, hopefully she gets a a scholarship She's already got three Yeah she's in Russia now Training for the Olympics Oh good Good well She's in Siberia Good luck to her Fighting tigers and shit

Well Spar Sparring with Siberian tigers Just to stay loose In the off season Warm up a little bit in the snow Just exhibition fights No official

Yeah Not official tiger fights Yeah A little tussle yeah tigers uh kids getting older learning more uh making way better music now because i'm not stressing myself about putting out an album not trying to like fit in anybody's category do this do that yeah uh still hard for me to great ep yeah it's still hard for me to get shows though because like i'm pretty fucking loud and my shit's pretty fucking intense so it kind of like it makes it hard for me to get shows though because like i'm pretty fucking loud and my shit's pretty fucking intense so it kind of like it makes it hard for people to go on after me oh yeah yeah that makes like how do you go up from there because there's the flow of the show and then

it's also to maybe egos get involved it's like well i don't know if i want him to headline yeah it was like i don't even know if i want to perform after him because it's like i'm not that you know loud or much of a like fucking intense person so it may not be properly and there's fago all over the stage when you're done yeah it's like man fagos man um little twisty plats and shit everywhere well it's a good time you know and if they don't want to have you that's on them yeah i mean i would like to do some fago shows you know icp homP homies there, you know, just 30,000 flavors you've never seen from the Philippines. Right.

You know, all them imported foreign flavors. Yeah, like watermelon. Family. Yeah, but it's like. What? Family. That was part of the chant when I saw them. They say what?

Yeah, there's some brilliant ICP fans came up. Mike saw ICP the other day. With Faygos. Yeah. They had those Faygos up. They had more Faygo than you could imagine. Yeah. Mike saw ICP. With Faygo's. They had those Faygo's out. They had more Faygo than you could imagine. Case after case. Case of Faygo

being fucked up. They throw it on the crowd, dude. That's their thing. They throw soda all over their fans. This girl I used to know, she had a Faygo display and I was like, yo, what the hell is that all about? Like it's a shrine or something? Yeah, and then she told me it was her

ode to ICP and I was like, whoa. hell is that all about like it's a store or something yeah and then she told me it was her like you know ode to icp and i was like whoa she had an altar to icp you know yeah it was just like fagos and like some other crazy shit but it was like eight of them like in a line and shit just like pineapple mango all kinds of crazy shit full or empty oh they were full unopened really yeah like she just had them just decked out. Wow. Same way like an old man down south had a caddy on display every Sunday. Right. Just out the garage halfway. Yeah. Just to let it be known.

Just to let it be known. It's like a religious thing. Like you leave the seat open for Elijah. It's like, we'll leave a pineapple Faygo on the altar for Violent J. Why leave the seat open for Elijah? You never heard that? It's a Jewish thing. Is it a Passover at the table?

Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. So you'd like to have a pineapple Faygo on the altar just in case, Violent J. Just in case. Out of respect. Word. I feel it.

Out of respect. You don't want to get caught without Faygo. I'm not really rushing music. I'm trying to get more different perspectives of art. You know, more like creating shit. Because I just like to create shit. I may not always want to do shows or always want to record music. I more like creating shit because I just like to create shit. I mean, I always want to do shows or always want to record music. I just like creating shit.

Like, yeah, that's why I started making beats. I just like to make shit, you know, and it all started like when I was younger doing graffiti. Like, I just wanted to be involved in something and continuously create shit that was appreciated by people I directly seen every day. So from graffiti and being halfway known because half the people don't know what the fuck's doing graffiti. It's not supposed to be known. But I wanted more fucking fame than that. So I just started putting words on paper in graffiti and rapping them because I was good at rapping. So then just taking that.

And now it's time to get more into physical creations, things that people can actually use every day in a functional fucking way. And not just a fucking CD or a song that you play one or two times you know like more of the perspective like uh maybe like you know craftsmanship furniture uh accessories for homes shit like that you know really just trying to put my creative perspective in places where i feel as though it should be more of the perspective of people who think like me like hip-hop is in a lot of fucking things yeah hip-hop's pushed a lot of things you know influenced the way people dress this that and the third you know all of that shit but it's like so many other places where i don't see that influence and i feel as though i would like

to see the shit you know so you're working on furniture and stuff oh trying to it's a pretty hard game i must tell you those amish got it down pack baby i gotta take a few lessons i'm sure they do they uh i think they built Amanda's parents' barn. Did they? Yeah. They built a fine barn. Would you trick them into thinking you're Amish and they had to help? Yeah.

Just like, oh, electricity. The worst, right? They're like, oh, yeah, we like this guy. Yeah, not bad. Gave you a carrier pigeon and shit. If you ever want to talk to us, take my car. Tell Eli. He'll fly back to the house. gave you a carrier pigeon and shit if you ever want to talk to us take my car tell eli he'll fly back to the house it'll reach us in seven months english but yeah just trying to get more

involved in other parts it sounds like you just like to create i kind of feel the same way like if if i'm not like regardless of comedy but if i'm not doing something even if i make like a 15 second sketch for instagram like i'm still like, oh, okay, I made something. Right. Or music, whatever it is. Gets the monkey off my back. Yeah. Me too.

Yeah, yeah. Well, dude, thanks for coming over, man. Oh, man, this has been fucking amazing. Yeah, thanks for coming by. Is there anything you want to promote here at the end where people can check you out? Oh, man, you should definitely check out the song with Samuel T. Hearn and Josephine Olivia from Black Sage. That's on SoundCloud.

You can check me out. Everything is 83 Cutlass, just like the car. Not like other shit, but just like the car. Instagram, Twitter. I'm on Facebook now because people made me. But I'm not really feeling that shit. It shuts my phone down. I got this iPhone 4.

This puppy's got anos that came with it yeah facebook screen turned blue for two fucking days it's just blue screen yeah you have to operate it with a hand crank yeah and get the solar panels out you know to get that pot of boiling water for no reason just boiling and i will say your uh your album is out there for free oh yeah 83cutlass.com. You can download the album for free. You can download shit off of SoundCloud for free. Or you can catch me the 21st at Lyrical Warfare.

That will be November 21st. November 22nd, I will be with EZ Jackson at The Crown, which is Charles Street, Baltimore, Station North. All right. This will be out after the 22nd? I think. Wait, when is that? Is that Sunday? Oh, yeah. Is that Sunday?

Oh, well, you can catch me December 19th in Richmond, Virginia. Hey, now. Okay, where at? I don't even know yet because I just know I got to get on that bus. All right, well, find them on the internet. The only hip-hop club in Richmond, Virginia. Oh, there's tons of them. Really?

Yeah, it's fucking crazy. No shit. I couldn't have met i couldn't believe it that's just badass like near vcu university like virginia commonwealth university like all of that college town yeah it's like tons of fucking clubs you can get paid do your show and everything's over by fucking 12 30 it's fucking amazing they got weed on delivery really i'm not joking it's college a college town. That makes sense. Every fucking corner store sells liquor.

I meant beer. Yeah, in Virginia you can buy beer at convenience stores. You can buy beer at any damn place. But you can only buy hard liquor at the alcohol beverage control. Yeah. You need like two forms of ID. That's weird. A recommendation from a previous ABC store. A great teacher. He has to write you a letter.

You have to remember what your favorite pet's name was. Log in. Liquor, drinker. Great teacher. He has to write you a letter. You have to remember what your favorite pet's name was. Log in. Made name of your mother. Well, fucking A, man. All right, well, dude, thanks for coming by. Gotta come by again

because I feel like we gotta catch up on a bunch of shit anyway. Oh, man, yeah. After I make some money and travel the world and live with some exotic girls in Tahiti,

I'll be back. Yeah, you're gonna do that next weekend though, right? Right, right, always. Okay, cool. We'll catch up after the holidays. Just came from Italy for some coffee. Little job.

Mike, let's see here. Let's just promote the Dig Sesh. If people are into, if they enjoy this episode, go to digressionsessions.com. We got all our episodes there. We're on iTunes. We're on Stitcher. I tried to get a SoundCloud, but you can only have three hours on there.

Damn. Or then you got to go pro and pay for extra. So currently there's three episodes on SoundCloud. Yeah. So people want to listen to them there, but I'm not paying extra money for... We can just shorten them each down to like a minute and a half. Oh, just little previews. What if we just did a best of?

I'll take a lot of editing. I'll take a lot of... Yeah, look out for the Dig Sesh mixtape then. No, I don't feel like editing all that shit. If somebody else wants to... Well, I can't do it

so you're going to have to. Sorry. You guys need interns. Yeah, I would love that. But yeah, and then we're on Thundergrunt so check out the rest of that network

and if you want to see us live go to GreshamSessions.com slash calendar for all live stand-up and improv dates. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram. I am at Josh Coderna.

Podcast is at digsessionpod. Michael? I am at Mike Moran Woods. W-O-U-L-D. We've got a Facebook page. Hit us up on there. I love to hear the feedback and all that shit. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Chad, for coming by. This is fucking great. Digression Sessions for listening. Thank you, Chad, for coming by. Thanks, everybody. Oh, man, this is fucking great.

Digression Sessions, baby. Fucking A. David Koechner, take us out. Digression Sessions, coming to an end. Thank you. Oh yeah, oh yeah