The Digression Sessions - Ep. 268 - Height Keech!

Episode Date: October 8, 2018

Hola Digheads, on this week's episode, Josh sits down with rapper Height Keech to talk touring and celebrate his upcoming one thousandth show! It's happening in Baltimore on 11/2 at the Metro Gallery! Be there! Follow the podcast and Josh Kuderna and Umar Khan, on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram! Josh - @JoshKuderna on Twitter and @JoshKuderna on Instagram The Pod - @DigSeshPod on Twitter The Pod's Facebook page - Dig Sesh on Facebook Thanks for listening, all! Do the pod a favor and rate and review the pod on Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music, Laughable, Stitcher, & Spotify plz!

Tage Network. That's a Gotti. Tight Keach sits down in my kitchen. We've given the Boo Bear a treat. He's still on guard a little bit. But yeah, he's like, alright, I'll take this bit but uh yeah he's like all right i'll take this bone but i'm watching you buddy you're very tall yeah i literally threw him a bone and he was with it he's with it absolutely yeah one trick we'll do when we have people over when

he's like really freaking out we'll just have treats around like people just hold him so he's like all right i don't want to bark at you because you might be a friend in the future you know like it kind of just keeps him in check for a little bit he's like all right all right i don't want to ruin an opportunity so well yeah man what's up height keach back on the pod baby yeah thanks so much for having me back i feel like you've more and more mastered the art of immediately no waste no time we just get right into it you know you know but uh yeah you good i'm doing really good man thanks for having me look in the mix anytime man i love having you on uh on the pod yeah umar is getting a dinner with his uh his lady and his so he's not there, or not here.

So we're going to do a little one-on-one. Let's go. Me and the Computer Rocker. Yes. He's got his zen on 10, baby, but I'm taking him on. I'm ready. So yeah, since you've been here last time, you put out a record. Yeah.

Computer Rocker, right? That's right, that's right. Toward that thing, and now you got your what number show coming up 1000th show 1000 shows god damn yeah i i feel like it's i've been telling people this but it's like kind of the only like i don't know like it's not an anniversary but whatever like a milestone kind of thing. Totally. That just doesn't, that feels like it should actually be acknowledged. Like,

yeah, absolutely. Like, I feel like sometimes like people will be like, Hey, it's the like 10th anniversary of this album. Yeah. We worked on.

Right. And I'm like, okay. You know, like if anything, that always just makes me feel old. I'm like, that was 10 years

ago yeah i still listen to that that's okay all right yeah and it's like i don't know i feel like if there was still interest in that thing the interest would speak for itself like like it wouldn't have to be like yeah guess what yeah right right that is funny it's like doing a tour it's been 10 years so you know but i but i feel like uh i don't know i feel like for a thousand shows i was like well if i don't do it you can't be like yeah the 1013th show that's weird yeah no and then and then you're like well all right well i'll do the next milestone at 1500 so like i'll circle back in like a year or two you know next time yeah yeah well what if this ends up being one of your biggest shows ever and you gotta you gotta milk it you know and then it

is show 1100 baby it's going down royal farms arena be there it'd be a good problem yeah champagne problems yeah right right yeah man so are you gonna do the thousand show in baltimore yeah yeah it's gonna be november 2nd at metro gallery awesome it's gonna be withiffon and Bobby Rush, who you've played with before. Yeah. And Secret Weapon Dave. Nice. And the idea is like, it's like a pop R&B type of lineup. Right.

So then it can just be this rap fest with various special guests. Yeah. Like when I do my set, you know. Yeah. I like that, man. Yeah. Last time I saw you you i think it was the last time that we played together yeah yeah with my band tremendous athlete and that was so

fun at the crown dude yeah that was such a fun show yeah and i i hadn't seen you live in the flesh in a long time so it was really cool just to see you just up there just ripping it oh tight yeah and you just had like song after song it was cool the energy was high the whole time and it was like damn height really he just owns the stage because it's just you it's just you and kind of your your mixer up there and uh dude you threw it down it was awesome oh thanks dude yeah you guys have been playing a lot of shows it's not not really i mean we um we we started out kind of doing like maybe like one or two a month and kind of got lucky with that and then stuff kind of slowed down a little bit over the summer

and we just recorded uh another ep at a magpie cage uh studio here in baltimore which i had no idea about where is that uh it's like right on the edge of mount vernon it's like you make a left on east biddle street over that overpass and it's like right by charm city mead works and then after that it's like boarded up houses as far as the eye can see yeah so it's like right on the edge of like gnarly um but yeah so we we did uh five more songs and hopefully those are going to come out in maybe november or december oh cool yeah and that was my first time in a real studio being like whoa yeah this is this is the next level so it's crazy how many like secret tight studios there are in bono yeah and then you find out too that so the studio is uh owned and run by uh

this dude jay robbins who's in this band room runner and it's just okay yeah it was just like pretty much this influential figure then you find out too the bands from all over the country come to baltimore to record there and so like i kind of knew a little bit of the prestige of Magpie. But I'm glad I didn't know too much. Because I even said back in the day, Casey and Miles in my band, they're like, dude, we should record a Magpie with Jay. And I'm like, who the fuck is that? And they're like, what?

And I was like, I don't know. That's just like a blind spot in my alt rock knowledge. I like i was like yeah dude i don't know who that is casey like earnestly he's like you shouldn't say that don't tell people that but the uh what's that studio like right left or the right way i think right yeah is that it in like remington yeah yeah yeah i get the feeling from it i mean i'm not i think they'd be cool with us mentioning the podcast the the studio and the podcast yeah like i get the feeling it's like almost like supposed to be a secret because i i don't know i think it's like because i know they do a lot of like or at one point they were doing a lot of like new metal stuff oh really like mastering like slipknot and stuff oh really that's awesome and like i almost

i almost think like like it would not be to their benefit for just everyone to know there's like this inexpensive studio yeah like yeah it is kind of grimy neighborhood yeah it is it is a funny business model it's like uh we want to do cool shit but don't tell anybody okay there was this studio um in the where i did this ep that unfortunately that like just never came out for whatever reason but like um it was like these dudes in montana that like they just kind of like host band they'll just like host bands for a week and you record this like oh uh yeah what is uh what is that called the ghost uh what is it is that day trotter or is that something else it's similar to that gotcha but it's it's called like something with ghost i okay it was a long time ago yeah but that was

like they were in whitefish montana which is like that's where like like richard spencer is from really like oh good really has to be from a place that has white in the title yeah yeah it was probably just fish and they're like let's make it clear white fish all right but it's kind of like some well-to-do conservative people and also like kind of like grimy rural like white trash sure you know sure so like that was like on some top secret shit where right where we were like all right well where do we meet you on the first day and they're like meet us at the subway and then like you get in we'll blindfold you there you have a subway wrap around your face like all right and i remember i was like what's what's with all the like secrecy they're just like we just don't want anyone in this town to know where this is right yeah i mean yeah you want to keep it

pretty uh under the radar like you want bands to know but you don't want to advertise like there's a lot of expensive shit in here yeah you know so uh yeah so baltimore definitely has that those hidden gems and magpie is so cool you walk in and like just this beautiful big open space of like where you actually record and everything and then the control room was it was my first time in a real studio and i was like oh my god oh yeah so that's why i was i was glad that i didn't really know too much about it yeah so i could just kind of approach it as like all right it's just a normal thing this isn't like the dude that we're working with you know it's weird to like sometimes to think in the few times that i've been in like bigger studios like i find myself and I do this with venues too, but when it's like,

did you know that Chuck Berry played here or something? Yeah. Yeah. It kind of makes me just be like everything be like, yeah, I got to get these waters. And it's like, would Chuck Berry ask for waters or would he have his own water?

Like, yeah. Like, I don't know. But, but at the same time, it kind of makes you be like well everybody's just a person yeah right right yeah and you meet them and you're like oh yeah you're it's just we're

even you know it's like yeah you do dope stuff and that's cool but i don't have to be like sir excuse me do you mind if i play guitar in the other room i remember this one venue that it had um it had showers which i thought was like awesome right and um i always feel like every venue should have showers yeah the studio magpie had a shower and i was like and i wasn't even gonna use it but i was like very nice very nice i could use it and i like that exactly but um i think it'd be weird to bring a change of underwear be like yeah let me lay down my guitar track and i'm gonna to hit the showers. Yeah, totally.

See, I can't think what the situation was. Did they live there too or something? No, I mean, I get it. I guess if you have a band from out of town and then if you're doing a 10-hour day and you're just feeling grimy or something, maybe. Yeah. You know, like, yeah. Yeah. But they had the showers and they also had a list of like everybody who had played

there since like the 50s or something and then a separate list of everybody that showered there no yeah but like dan dekid he was like yeah he was like imagine how many celebrities have jacked off in this yeah get that list too chuck berry peed on women in this shower right here. It's like, well, that's kind of worse than nothing, you know? I wish they didn't have a list at all, man. Yeah, no, it's, dude, it's so rad that you're doing like a thousand shows. So speaking of venues and being on the road, so you've probably, you've been on the road for what? How many years now well i i've been like touring since 2000 wow but oh no no since a little before that but like still so like 20 years

yeah but there's been times like i mean it's interesting because i have my on my website i'm like trying my best to like keep track of all the shows i just like write them down as yeah i do them and like like a little archived list and like yeah there's times when it's like just there's been a couple shows in a year and there's times where like there's like a hundred shows in a year right right and it's like so it's been like uh it kind of but it kind of feels like it's been always happy constant yeah it all just kind of blurs together right yeah so man you yeah it's so cool you kept track of all of those shows because i would forget i would just be like i don't know like after a while i'd be like i've been touring for 20 years probably done about thousand shows i'm just gonna say november 2nd is my thousandth i i actually who's gonna check

they're like show me your archive i like a few years ago when i was like let me make sure i have as many of these written down like i'm sure there's ones that are just lost to right time yeah but like but like everything since the time of MySpace, it was pretty easy. Right. Because you just go back and look at when I announced the tour. Yeah. And then before that, Lord Grunge from Grand Buffet was real on point. He's always done these journals and stuff.

Really? So I had him go back into the like yeah the late 90s early 2000s journals damn to like and he had everything in there and it was like some shows where i was like i'll just take your word for it that happened yeah i guess i was in tacoma we probably did a show there i don't know yeah like there was one where it was like um it was like played at goucher college it's like it's like height and i each did one song and then the security personnel told us to leave the campus or something like that you're like count it there we go 600 right there boom and it's like i don't even i have i just have zero memory of that but right but let's it sounds like something that would happen yeah yeah yeah it sounds good yeah put it on there

rack them up let's go so damn so what do you how do you feel about that like a thousand shows did you ever think that you would do a thousand shows yeah yeah i i hope so and um i feel really good about it i i this might just be like a me thing but like uh-huh i think that um like i've always had this idea in my head since i started doing stuff that like um i'm doing all these different songs and stuff and albums and shows and it's all like one project right like i like i'm sure like uh many people like of my my friends and stuff have have got on a stage a thousand times but it's not all presented as one thing right thing right right right i guess that's always something for a long time i've set out to be like um

like this this should all like stand as one thing yeah it's all kind of under the height umbrella yeah yeah whether it's like heightened friends or just like you by yourself with just the mixer it's like no this is all building towards something exactly yeah and it's like even though i feel like albums are a little more like people can like have that album forever and a show in some ways is more like uh temporary or something like yeah but it's still like the idea of yeah i was doing this hype thing at this time and this time and this time right this iteration of whatever it is that's still evolving it's all a part of the same thing yeah that there's a through line through all of it yeah dude yeah and so yeah like i said it was

really cool to see you perform and like not even that you were like just seeing that it's like oh man he can just own the stage like just coming out there dude it was great so the fact that you have like a thousand under your belt you're just a beast up there right i hope so i hope yeah always always a nice guy i hope i'm a beast you know come to see for yourself if i'm a beast on november 2nd everybody there it is metro gallery baby um yeah and so you put out um computer rocker yeah toured with that yeah how was that uh it was cool it was like my first time with that album um mixing an album yeah like totally by myself um or well no that's not exactly i guess it was my first time mixing my own album right right because you were you've been making your own beats for a minute now and

like kind of like all like you know i'm gonna wrap it i'm gonna make the beats i'm doing the whole thing but i guess like uh like you know it's funny um So I was afraid. I always had this thing about, like, mixing my own vocals. Really? Yeah. And, like, are you familiar with the group NASA 8? Mm-mm. They're real tight, like, wild kind of young dudes from, like, Laurel. Okay.

MCs. Yeah. young dudes from like laurel okay mcs yeah but like i just randomly saw the tweet that was like that was like if it was like if you're afraid to mix your own vocals you're a bitch somehow that spoke to you yeah i was like well like it just i mean that doesn't really mean anything but i was like yeah my vocals are just but. But it does in the way that it's, that's your most raw representation of what you do. Yeah. So it's like when you listen to that, you can't really hide behind anything because it's not like, well, I did it live and that was like the third song.

I was a little out of breath or whatever. It's like, no, no, no. I did this in the studio. I took time. I was prepared. And so if you listen back to it and you hear something you don't like there's nothing you can hide behind totally and i think there's this weird thing i've always been fascinated by this how i think engineers just like can seem so like like whiny and like complaining to like musicians right sometimes like like um

like the first dude that that i did like my first albums with that like mixed them all like i remember he'd be always be like these drums and they're just like not right they're like you know but kind of be like well we'll do what we can and like and I guess like I realized like like I feel like I sort of made it my mission to like be on top of it right like you know like want him to be like well this is perfect or something and like yeah i guess like i i find myself being like that now like yeah like people have to kind of like when i've been like producing different projects for people i kind of have to like have people talk me off the ledge what i'm just like these these vocals sound crazy blah blah blah right and like it's like most of

the time they don't i feel like most of the time there is a solution but it's like you just have to figure it out well sometimes you're just too close to it yeah yeah you don't have fresh ears you've heard it a billion times yeah and when it's yourself yes there's another layer of like super critical yeah yeah just just i think i think what the fear is is like is like i'm i'm like i even feel this when i'm editing like podcast stuff i feel like i'm like editing myself and my my like expression and stuff to make myself more likable to yeah to me and yeah and like i've never said um in my life cut cut cut that cut that one yeah exactly exactly and it's like and i feel like you know i feel like music is like in a way even more personal than talking sometimes sure sure but i don't know so

but anyway it was like i kind of i feel like i like got over that hurdle and was like okay now i can like well yeah it's tough because you're trying to be you're literally trying to be perfect when you're recording music you need to be on beat it has to sound perfect if there's even like a little bit of a flub you got to redo it right everything has to be perfect i yeah and i think but a lot of it for me was like uh be rich from the shark tank um he was talking to me about like when he edits these videos like uh for his solo stuff like where he he feels like if if it takes 10 times longer for him to do it on his own just because he doesn't know as much as like a professional video editor yeah it's like it's still actually going to take less time because you know because you just have the independence yeah you to be like yeah okay i have a day off i'm going to work 20 hours on something which is like

yeah and you know exactly what you're going for too so so you're it's going to take you a while to execute it but you know what you're looking for yeah exactly yeah so it's like yeah that that was a real fun album to make and um i was real happy with how it turned out yeah sounds great man and it was a very thanks man yeah it was a very um cool and unique uh season of touring for it really yeah yeah like um i saw you had van problems right at one point oh yeah yeah i had endless van problems you're like dude that's that's that's a constant that wasn't this tour but none of them even happened on the tour it's just oh really like the first one was just i got right before the tour i got rear-ended at like a red light no and it

was like so crazy the the lady was like seemed to me to be like high out of her mind oh and like it was like the cops came right away and they um they were like okay we're gonna take her to or like give her the sobriety test or whatever uh-huh and she actually passed it like right and and they were like totally surprised and they were like they were like maybe she's in diabetic shock or this or that. But she's definitely acting crazy. And we don't know why. Yeah.

But I think maybe because of something with that, it was like the police weren't giving the police report to the insurance people. Oh, no. So it was like this super drawn out thing. Oh, that sucks. I couldn't even get them to like get approval to start working on like fixing my car. And like it took forever. And it was like, I think she completely changed the story, which I was so mad because I was just like, i have the pictures of the back of my car yeah and the front of her car and uh they're both fucked up right i didn't uh back into her at a alarming

rate yeah she crashed into me but anyway but yeah so it was like the van was not in action for the first leg like out to the west coast and back which just i had to get this rental uh and then it happened again just with like you got rerented again no no no i just uh it's that same woman she's like i followed you to california fuck you but it's like this freak it's the weirdest thing i was driving on 83 after the first leg of the tour and like i must have like i don't know what the fuck it was but i i drove over some kind of like debris and like it wasn't like you know now hide it's not nice you to call homeless person debris that is so fucked up that's where i draw the line i accept a lot on this podcast but that's a no. But like somehow something in the road that was like not even like visible.

It wasn't like there was a big bunch of like trash in the road or something. Right, right, right. It like pierced my gas tank. What? Yeah. Whatever it was. Yeah. And like.

Damn. And at first I was like convinced that it was like that's why i just got in my van back so i was like they must have fucked up something with my van and then like and it was like the fire department came and everything because there's like gas spilling everywhere jesus and like the uh but no it was just some crazy unlucky thing where some like like shard of something like just like sliced my gas tank so it was like glass or like a weird plastic it was yeah it was like a like a plastic like something might have fallen off of like uh like a tractor trailer or something i guess yeah but like whoa so then it was like i'm renting

another car for like this entire tour which is the gap yeah that is wild man so i mean that shit was hectic but like yeah um it was like really cool like um uh mister who from the group pasolacqua he like on my last two albums he's been like the lone guest spot yeah yeah and like we've kind of been we've been talking about like let's just like keep doing that and doing that like have it be like he's just there on height albums right and height shows yeah like um so he went on all three legs of the tour and it was like he's just like a crazy like i won't even say workaholic because that has a negative connotation but he's just like super super on top of focused everything yeah right it was like the greatest tour partner ever and i think we both ended with it being like this just has to keep going yeah awesome yeah yeah i'm sure it's nice to have a buddy out there with you too totally yeah totally yeah like what i've seen

just with comedy like traveling around by yourself i'm like that seems like a nightmare yeah i was listening to the digression sessions where you shout out shout out to this pod we're on right now yeah shout out you hell yeah dog but um the uh it was interesting to hear about you going on like your first i don't know what is would that be considered a tour not yeah we just had me and matt bergman went down to north carolina for five days yeah yeah and you're like this is an ideal situation but even still i'm like i want to go home you know i was curious what because it sounded so like it's i was like they stay in one place yeah i have a place to stay there's not all the gear yeah it's like man these bitches they're living the life no but

what made it so like um i don't know maybe it's just because you have so much time to kill maybe it's with music it's like you get in there you do the gig and it's kind of on to the next yeah when when we were down there and i'm such like i'm so kind of new to going out and being in one location for comedy like you know i'll do dc and pennsylvania and whatever and could still like come home at night and that's right that's what i don't mind but yeah when when you're just somewhere for like five days and the only thing you have to do at night is one show at 8 30 and then you're like the day is long you know do you do a similar set each night or no yeah i mean yeah you try to try to mix it up a little bit um but yeah i mean it's pretty similar maybe it's like a like 70 30 and then depending on the crowd with like crowd work

and stuff like that and but yeah it was you know it's just kind of like my first time out there and i was down there with a friend and i'm not saying it wasn't bad at all like it was totally fun but if you're just doing it like five days but like the third day you're like all right let's get out of here you know and maybe if it would be different if we were doing like a bunch of shows like every other day it's like new city new show on the next but i think if you're just in the same spot and you're like okay because then you know you don't have all the stuff you have at home and you're in like a stranger's house and like yeah yeah you know

yeah and is that something like where like to me comedy seems like it's more structured than music to the point where like when i hear you guys talk about like yeah there's features and hosts yeah and headliners yeah i feel like that doesn't really exist in music like really i think so i don't know because you have opening bands and stuff and like they're not really hosting, but they're going out there to be like, okay, you're going to be hearing music for a while. Right. Here we go. Start paying attention, getting to the vibe.

And then people are having their first couple drinks, and maybe they're talking a little more and not paying attention. They're like, oh, this is cool. I might check them out later on Spotify when I get home, but whatever. Same thing with the host and the feature. It's like, we're not here to see you, you you were fun that was all right you know right then the headliner comes out it's like yeah here we go but i guess it seems a little more like like when i've heard like you and umar talk about like and i don't want to get the terms mixed up but maybe

like hosting or something like that yeah like or featuring like yeah it seems like there's sort of these like in between steps yeah like like it's not like you just are nobody and then you blow up or something it's more like there's these opportunities to like definitely be like oh i'll be this kind of guy for a year or something right right yeah it's i mean the goal should be and theoretically is to headline. Yeah. So, yeah, when you're hosting, you go out and your job is basically to – you're doing anywhere from like maybe 8 to 15 minutes at the most. And your job really is to go out and be just kind of welcoming.

You want to be funny. You don't have to really crush, but you have to kind of be like, all right, this is the show. Somebody told me, think about it like you're hosting a party like you're welcoming people you're like hey how you guys doing you might tell like one anecdote and then it's like hey have you guys met height oh my god you're gonna love height all right i'm glad you're having fun hey height come on in here and then you know yeah you bring that person up and they do their thing for a while and then it's like a build to the to the headliner, yeah. But some of those people are, besides the headliner, are also touring, right?

It's possible. But, I mean, if it's local. So, like, if a headliner is at a club, typically the host and the feature are local as well. Unless it's sort of like when you said, like, you brought Mister with you. Yeah. some people are fortunate enough to travel with a feature and they're like so this is my feature and that's kind of what you were right right right exactly exactly but the cool thing about so with comedy it's like you can kind of mix up your set list and be able to improvise a little more like so i did last night i was in pennsylvania at uh a meatery which uh is not meat but mead like

the ale like the drink the medieval drink so i told my girl about it's like yeah i'm doing a meatery she's like the fuck is that it's just like plates of pepperoni and shit i was like no no like like the ale and um and i was like i don't know what's gonna be like how you know is in lancaster not lancaster people they get they get offended when you say lancaster they do yeah how do you say it really lancaster oh okay yeah and it's like hey guys shut up no one cares you know um but uh but during my set um i was doing a joke about, um, when I, uh, uh, the whole,

uh, point of the bit is that I said that I say my girl smarter than me. And I realized that cause I fucked up in front of her. And I said the word, uh, I said, instead of epitome, I say epitome.

Oh yeah. Right. And, uh, off to the side of the stage, this girl comes running up like, and she just goes, Oh my God, me and my boyfriend just had this conversation this week. And I'm like, yo, off to the side of the stage this girl comes running up like and she just goes oh my god me

and my boyfriend just had this conversation this week and i'm like yo you can tell me after the show you don't have to tell me right like literally on the side of the stage it's like me and my and and so and we were in pennsylvania and she looked very like kind of amishy like these like bright white shoes and just like kind of very like sort of proper oh wow and so i was like i was like okay all right you could have told me that after the show and like that got like a little chuckle and then i was like and hey guys let's cut her a break she's clearly on rum spring and everybody's like and then it was funny she was walking away and then she comes back she's like that's so funny i was born a mennonite i was like all right so like i was like

all right you're just having a mennonite on the like all right so like i was like oh you're just having a mennonite on the town so it's like stuff like that where i feel with comedy you can have those opportunities where you can't have that with music probably you know where like you have your set list and you're not really like improvising much in the moment you know like interacting with the crowd in that way yeah so so it's that's those type of things that are really cool and then they had a fucking uh axe throwing thing there so i was able to like throw a hatchet after the show and i was like this is great this is so fun that's crazy yeah it's i hate to sound like my parents or something but like it's dangerous i i see i feel like even darts right not a good choice for like yeah bar right you know what i mean right right right and yeah especially yeah

you mix booze in the equation then you're like hey toss this fucking weapon idiot yeah because so yeah so we finished the show and i thank god they didn't have axe throwing going on during the show. It was like right by the stage. And I was like, I don't like that. Like somebody's like, this fucking joke sucks. Just toss a fucking hatchet at me. But we got on the show, closed it out, and then the guy that ran it, he was like, hey, man, do you want to throw? Which I like that there's like a slang.

It's not even throw axe. It's like, you want to throw? And I was like, yeah, dude, when in a row yeah you throw dude so he like showed me how to stand and he's like it's all in the elbow not in the wrist i'm just stand here and i was like fuck yeah and i fucking just threw some hatchets at the at the board didn't hit the bullseye but i was getting them in there i had some decent form how did it feel to throw an axe felt pretty good so it's not really like a big act it's like a hatchet basically yeah so yeah it was uh it was pretty good it was like oh i just got like it was it was a great show so the dude that booked me was super funny everybody on the lineup was really funny

and like i didn't know how the how the crowd was gonna be because it seemed kind of rural but as i was driving through i was like oh there's a cafe coffee shop coffee shop coffee shop i was like they're probably pretty liberal you know like totally um so the first comedian that went up uh was this chick audrey and uh she's like i just got married and i got an applause and she's like i got gay married and i got an applause too and i was like okay it's a good crowd all right cool there's a little like heat check on the audience to see like what we're up against you know i always think about like just like playing in these different like small towns yeah like it's like it's just not going to be like in a movie where like you get like the tomato thrown yeah yeah like i mean sometimes stuff like that will

happen but like right it's i i was thinking that just the other day about playing this show in like connecticut and this part this part cracks me up like like the dude um it was these biker guys were there sure and like what connecticut i just picture is like so proper like everybody wearing a turtleneck there's some somehow there's always fall foliage everywhere foliage but yet he's like i'm a biker from connecticut but like it's just like the other new jersey you know like on the other side the welcome sign says welcome to connecticut the other new jersey i mean there of course there's that but but that's the the like turtleneck side is such a small part of it. Really? I would say so.

Gotcha. Yeah. I mean, I don't know anything about them. Just judging. No, that's what I thought of every area that was north of New York City. Right. I thought it was all, like. Ivy League.

Yeah. Yeah. But, like, no, but these, like, biker dudes are, like, are like just like busting our balls and like yeah the guy's like the guy's like who's the king of your crew and like oh geez and um like uh pt burnham i don't yeah yeah yeah he's like points to me which i'm like oh thanks there's our reluctant king but i'm like setting up the pa he's like yeah he's like he's not the king he's fucking around with the wires yeah like yeah like collins like he's like he's like but a true king would never be above like something man of the people but he was just like, come on, who's the king? Bring out the real king.

But I was just walking around with this intense dread of no one else is going to come. The bikers are going to stay. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. That guy wants to fight me because I'm the king. I don't know why. Yeah. and it's like that guy wants to fight me because i'm the king i don't know why yeah and it's like it's like and they did make some like pretty inappropriate racial remarks but um good but they did it and then they like left right and it's like it's like yeah the the these like hayseeds

in like every town like right they don't want to stand for four hours at a rap show. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's like even in like the smallest, like most country towns, it's like the people that are there and will stay are people that will appreciate it on some level. Yeah. And also some people, like it's just it's entertainment still to them. It's this is fun this is out of the ordinary yeah i don't often go to a rap show and then this venue is the first time they did comedy so they're like sure this is great yeah i said this is fun i sort of had that on this last tour i sort of had that in like amarillo texas where it was like i don't know these last couple tours like I just felt more aware of not even just

at shows but everywhere of like of like everyone has guns like in these like red states right yeah just like don't get into any confrontation with anyone because everyone has a gun and it was to like shoot someone but like that is that is true they're just looking for it but i was just feeling it that night in in amarillo it just had it was a like so the people at the bar were so nice and like cool and stuff but like i was just like please don't let these like rednecks just like storm in. And it's like, but once people came, it's like, I was like, I was like,

Oh, we're in like the like CBGBs of Amarillo. Right. And every town kind of has that. Yeah. You realize, yeah, it's not all one blanket thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there are with some places where it's like, we're fucking redneck as hell and you got fucking deal, you know,

but yeah, most places. Yeah. And if you didn't, you you know if you went up there too or like whatever you fucking rednecks and like excuse me i'm just here to have a good time totally yeah so yeah if you put out a good vibe and they do too like yeah yeah it's gonna be fun i don't know There was a cool moment of like talking to some of these dudes. There were like some older Mexican guys there that were like real like, they were talking about sort of like the history of like West Coast hip hop slash like Southwest hip hop. Interesting.

And like I've always been like a sucker for that kind of thing you know and i'm like after the the talking to them i was like i was like wow i'm really glad i didn't make any like choices to like dumb down the set in any way yeah or so because it's like such a missed opportunity yeah the same way you don't want somebody to look at you and be like all right i know what you like right and you'd be like well fuck you man you don't fucking know me right but yeah we do that the same the same way so yeah if you went out there and it's like oh you guys don't even get it it's like motherfucker i could talk to you about fucking california rap forever you know right right yeah i love that stuff you're like oh we're there's much more in

common here than we think how much do you like edit your sets from night to night based on that at all yeah yes and no yeah i mean i guess you kind of know like kind of looking at a crowd you might assume what's going to hit harder and what might not yeah um like yeah when i was in north carolina it was a lot of older people a lot of like families that are on vacation and some stuff you know it's like this hits in baltimore this hits in dc there it's like okay that's fun versus like you know and then somebody else goes up it's like uh marriage is weird they're like i know right you know and and you can't hate on the audience because that's their experience it's and so it's like they see me they're like who is this how is he like 17 i don't know what the fuck he's talking

about you know right but they're having fun but you just you kind of realize you know and so you try to do the same thing too of not judging an audience completely but you kind of have to go into it with like all right i think this is what you guys are into and then sometimes you're like pleasantly surprised too about like the weird stuff they yell out or whatever they laugh at you know have you ever uh watched that show crashing the like p yeah yeah yeah yeah did you watch the the like naca episode yeah yeah i i watched that and i was like blown away and had to watch it twice more really i was like this should win what do tv shows win an emmy yeah yeah i think this should get some kind of award yeah i felt like it discussed that topic so well. Pandering.

Yeah, and kind of like that different shows do have different... Outcomes. Yeah, like possible outcomes. And it's just like, it seemed like he was kind of like no i'm being stupid yeah now so i can like have a job for the next year right right yeah so so naca is uh it's like the national association of like collegiate acts or something like that yeah basically they decide who's going to perform at colleges and a lot of people want to do it i mean they're not great gigs but they have a lot of money yeah so so people try to get in on that uh yeah it's funny you say that so jamie lee who

plays pete's girlfriend on that show actually just did shows with her on friday oh cool in dc and she was great and so yeah it's the same thing like you go and perform for for those crowds you're like i don't know what it's good and they're're great, you know? Yeah. But yeah, sometimes with the, the NACA stuff, you're like, yeah, I'm going to pander to these kids so I can get some money.

And then I, from there I can tour and do what I want. But at this time I'm going to be the slogan guy or whatever, you know, have a catchphrase. And, and it's, I feel like they demonstrated the thing so well,

which I've definitely felt this before at like these like festival type shows or different kind of events where it's like the level of pandering, like it's like you could be pandering and still not be pandering even in the same ballpark as like some people that, you know. Because the festival circuit with music is just as big it's just like if you get plugged in with that it's like you're doing all the festivals totally oh shit now i'm doing coachella because at firefly i was like what's up fam it's so lit and they're like it is lit i love this guy yeah yeah like i i don't know it was really uh kind of crazy to me like one time going to this electronic festival

and um it was like a night off on like basically it was one of these dan deacon tours and it was like he had like a solo set at one of these festivals gotcha so like we just went to see him play solo like a quick like half hour slot at this festival right and it was and of course i won't name any names here but like nora jones you bitch it's like seeing there was like hip-hop people on the festival too and seeing the level of like pandering to like the edm crowd i was just like kind of shocked right right right to it was like you would never see them do any of this at their own show yeah yeah it's just like has anyone ever heard a rhyme over dubstep

dude i love wub wubs give it up for wub wub it's like when actors do commercials in japan they're like i hope no one sees this because this is a nice payday but i'm gonna go i'm gonna drink this weird energy drink from a robot's dick and get my money and hopefully no one sees it yeah exactly yeah and like and i don't know but it's kind of it's like i can't really like hate on it because it's like yeah Yeah. It's like it could be... If you come out on this festival circuit as something that could work in front of EDM, at least back a couple of years ago, it could be like you have two years of bookings through that.

Yeah. And then that allows you to do your own thing. Right. And then it's like, oh, now this person's got some heat. some heat or oh let's see what their album is yeah and it's not edm it's like yeah a big thing too is just momentum people just respond to it in general so it it is weird then you kind of have to walk that line of being like selling your soul a little bit but then also trying to bring your own feelings and actual like originality and what you want to do to it but at the same time like you gotta do that weird self-promo stuff the stuff that makes you feel

gross like i've always loved edm you know yeah totally yeah and i i think there's something like uh kind of kind of like sweet about that in a way of like it's maybe kind of hard to explain but there's some kind of like modesty in that or something of being like uh-huh of like being like i'm not above like adapting myself yeah or trying something yeah i'm not too cool for school yeah yeah yeah it's it's always a balance though because you gotta you gotta do that but you also don't want to be the guy that's like chasing every trend and totally seeming insincere from from that point you know yeah i think a lot about how with music and and i i feel like this extends to every kind of like creative expression that

there's so many different outcomes that you could even go for. Right. And like, I think it's kind of interesting, like how, like, like for me, I find myself like,

it feels weird to be like in my like late 30s and be like yeah i still want to be a famous musician right like yeah uh and like i think life would be if my goal was more just like i just want to say cool stuff with my friends and so yeah then they would already have been like mission accomplished right and that would be easier and oddly enough that's how you get famous yeah i stopped caring and now he's on the cover of rolling stone but you see what i'm saying like yeah absolutely like i think like it's i think in certain circles of like music that was like influenced by like punk rock and diy type stuff yeah i think there's almost like like a a thing against ambition right you know what i

mean yeah yeah yeah well it's not cool to try yeah but you have to try and and i it's weird because i think it's cool yeah it's cool to it's always cool to be famous but it's not cool to like try to be yeah yeah exactly yeah and that's that's the thing yeah you get that even in a microcosm i talk about all the time it's when you're performing you walk that line of being like i'm vulnerable i'm giving myself to you guys but also at the same time i'm secure within myself because if you want it too much the crowd senses that and they're like i don't want to give it up because this because you're you're desperate for it you know but at the same time if you're too cool of like man whatever i don't need this show fuck

this audience blah blah they're like why would i care about this guy so you have to kind of walk that line of being present and available but at the same time securing yourself of like i know what i'm doing but here i am i'm meeting you guys in the middle and that's that's like the microcosm of what we're actually trying to do with art at the same time like here's what i'm bringing to the table and you don't want to be like if you don't like it well fuck you it's like no i want you to like it can you tell your friends but you don't want to be that guy it's like please listen to my album please do this rate and subscribe hey yeah how in comedy like how would you say uh because i feel like i know it for music kind of but yeah how do you make yourself vulnerable well i'm just being so the being present on stage not really

obviously you're reciting stuff that you've said before a million times probably but you you you're in the moment so somebody told me too i had a bad set once and i was like i just don't know what happened those you know those jokes normally work he's like he's like you were talking at the audience not to the audience which sounds like kind of trite but it's a real thing of like if you're up there you don't want the audience watching you they don't want to see somebody that's like so then the thing happened oh yeah of course that's crazy anyway and then i went to the mall you know they don't want to see you going through the motions they want to be like you're in it you know so so if you're saying that stuff you're present at the same time like you're acknowledging the audience you're aware of how fast you're talking and like your demeanor and even what you present on your face too you're

just like so yeah that was i guess that was that thing and anyway so if you're not really projecting an energy out they're not going to give it back right right but at and anyway so if you're not really projecting an energy out they're not going to give it back right right but at the same time if you're just like how we doing we doing good so i did this thing uh you know like they don't want to see somebody trying too hard right but they don't want to see somebody trying not at all either so then that's that vulnerability of like i'm going to put myself out there but i'm secure enough to know like i'm still the captain like i got this yeah you know i think there's something about um like reading the room yeah that that's like that's like a balance in itself sometimes i think yeah like absolutely like i always think about um with, like, musical stuff, I feel like grunge has this insane ability to, like.

Oh, yeah. Somebody that's, like, he's super funny as well. Yeah. Like, very, like, got a great charisma and energy, too. Yeah, like, I remember we played this show in Shepherdstown one time. And have you ever been there? Like, it's, like. Is and if you've ever been there like it's like is that in maryland uh west virginia but it's like okay right on the line yeah it's like it's like there's a there's an art school there and it's kind of like a little like hippie town gotcha

gotcha um but we did a show there and it was like yeah all these people were like oh it's grunge from grand buffet blah blah grand buffet and then just like when he started playing almost everyone left and it was why it was just like it seemed like people were so like drunk and high that it could have been like i played and like yeah they were like oh it's the guy from grand buffet right like dude grunge is taller than i thought that's cool all right let's go play hacky sack of the quad yeah exactly but like grab your crystals let's get out of here i remember so it was kind of like a weird like a disappointing kind of vibe yeah room when he started and he's like went through a couple songs and then he was like he was like i feel like i'm an older guy that just got out of jail and i do karaoke and no you guys don't want me to do karaoke but you have to watch me do karaoke and like

and yeah like it just like transformed the room like Like it wasn't even like people laughed. They were just like realized how weird they were being and like started like loosening up. That is a power too to recognize the vibe in the room. Yeah. It's even if something like you can do it too where something's going so well and you're like, Christ, this show is bananas. And the crowd's like, yeah, it is.

Or if like it's not going well, you're like, all right, bananas and the crowd's like yeah it is or if like it's not going well you're like all right i guess you guys aren't into that shit you know and like but you can't again you can't do that too much exactly and i think it just takes like this like supreme confidence because like because for me early on i feel like i learned it's like for me it does not help to like like call attention to things that are wrong because yeah because that's just like a whatever show a lot of shit's gonna be wrong right you don't want to be like a bummer yeah or be too much like like once you start yeah like you can't be like uh turn that light off in the back like not that one no No, that one. Turn that fan off. Turn that one on.

Yeah. You, move a little to the left. Yeah, I feel like grunge has this way of being like, this is what's happening right now. Yeah. For better or worse. And then being like, but it's so confident that he's just like. But it's also like, we're in this together. Let's fucking go.

And that, that's the same thing with standup where it's, it's cool to see people that have a different approach to things. And that's really what it is. Like those first couple of jokes, you're, you're trying to say, this is who I am, but I'm also going to meet you in the middle.

Cause you're not trying to open with your weirdest thing or like your most like offensive quote unquote thing. It's just sort of like, all quote-unquote thing it's just sort of like all right here's here's my brand of humor real quick this is where we're at let's go like come with me this is where i'm at so it's probably the same thing when you're doing music you know if they're not like feeling the first couple songs you do the thing of like yeah i feel like i just got out of prison and they're like oh shit okay but yeah and then you can't do that stuff at the same time like there's so many comedians that just have bad jokes and they're like oh what you guys didn't get that it's like no we got it and it sucked right so yeah all all

of that shit i talk about it all the time probably broken record on this podcast but just of it's just all just a balance of shit yeah you know so you're and you can do the same thing too where you're putting yourself out there and the crowd might suck and then sometimes just telling the crowd that they suck is they're like yeah we do suck yeah okay all right let's get on board i i've been thinking a lot um on this last tour like how i i i feel a lot of like commonality with like the world of comedy and, and other kinds of entertainment, right.

Sometimes more than music in like, not that, not that what I do is like the craziest wildest thing or whatever, but like, but like, I feel like myself along with a whole lot of other people, are like, we're in this touring rap circuit. Yeah.

But it's like not exactly, the circuit is not exactly built for what I do. Right. Like, like there's certain things, which I'm sure exists again in every medium, but like there's certain things that are like, it's just like, you could do this right now and the crowd would just go wild because that's what they want. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And like, um, sure. Like, like a standup show where if you look out in the audience, you're like, all right, median age here is 47. They probably would love for me to be like, men and women are different, huh? Right.

Yeah. And they're like, yeah. Yeah. And I feel like there's some music where like an example for me is noise, like like extreme like experimental noise type of stuff that's like real quick i just don't get noise i don't get it at all maybe i'm an old man i don't get it there's some there's some that in which yeah it goes over which is a noise show you know and like yeah like like there's zero yeah like they've never turned the tvs off at a sports bar be like all right guys the noise show is going to start in five.

People are like, let's check it out. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And like you never, ever have to think about like, okay, let's bend it a little this way to leave some room for people to get into. It's just like take it or leave it. Yeah, the noise dudes are like i have my suitcase full of pedals and that's what i'm gonna do they're not gonna mix in a top 40 song or do a cover yeah yeah and i feel like i don't know i again and not to like i'm not shitting on that genre of music because i like a lot of it. But like, I mean, I remember before playing shows,

some of the first shows I did with Grand Buffet in like the early 2000s, like their uncle was like a dude that was in a bunch of like no wave bands in like the 80s and it's still doing stuff now it was in a in an awesome band called interference and stuff like that but like i feel like through that and through some of um my friends at the time back then we we like played a lot of these like sort of like noise shows in new york back then right and where yeah

where it's like you guys kind of line up on that venn diagram yeah and it's like we're in our own lane we're doing stuff that's a little bit different with the genre and we're kind of overlapping a little bit and i remember i remember um grunge being like being like yeah let's let's like cater to this a little bit like let's you know right like show the side of us that's more experimental and electronic wildness or something and it's like i sort of feel like we can like cater to something like that but i feel like they could never totally do it the other way around yeah yeah exactly it's like yeah now let's do a four four drum beat like that's not gonna happen in a noise song right yeah i'm like all right bring in the drum fill yeah and it's it sounds i i don't know if any noise heads are listening to this i don't

know if it sounds lame for us to be like they could never yeah again that's where i just feel like an old guy like i don't get't get it. It literally is noise. I don't like it. But I guess, I don't know. I guess there's, I just think there's something to like catering to other like real humans that are in front of you. Right. So are you saying that you kind of feel like your circuit might not do enough to reach out or maybe it's like so you find yourself in a venue that's not really geared toward you towards your music or your type of show and you're like you know what let me try to meet them in the middle a little bit yeah and i

feel um i i feel like uh proud that i can do that no that it's it's a huge skill because that's the goal with uh comedy and i think probably extends the music too to some extent even that you're you know you're limited by what you need in uh instruments and whatnot but you should be able to play any room yeah and they should be like that's not my, but that guy put on a great show. Whatever it is. So there's definitely comedians that I know and me and a guy in D.C. were talking about somebody on Friday. I know that sounds like really cryptic and stuff, but I don't want to name names.

But it just kind of fits what we're talking about that there was a show where i was working i was hosting and i was doing the hosting thing of like not not like pandering but you're like how you guys doing tonight you guys ready for a good show and you know you kind of have to do that stuff because people paid it's a friday night there there's a two item minimum you don't want somebody to come out like all right here we go and because that's not my vibe so i'm trying to do i'm i'm adding a little extra oomph to what i would normally do it's not like every set i'm like what's up and i have like a t-shirt cannon or something but you know you want people to be like this is an event i'm glad we're all here the energy's up and then the feature comedian that weekend would go up and their vibe is not that but if you're doing like their vibe is just it's much lower and you have to come to them but at the same time you have to put something out for the audience to meet you in the

middle like kind of saying like i'm different than the last guy but also i understand that i'm different here's a little bit of here's a few breadcrumbs. I'm going to throw those out there. Follow me over here versus like, this is just how it's going to be. And the audience is like, what? You know? And so like you can,

and it's like neither party is really to blame, but there has to be some, not necessarily olive branch, but something to go out to be like, here's what i'm all about right without being so aggressive in the beginning and then if you do a show where you're not giving them anything and they're like yeah you suck it's like well no fuck you you so it's like well you didn't do anything to try to win them right right and sometimes you don't have the energy for to win

a crowd you're like i don't like what you're laughing at i don't like you i'm in a weird mood fuck you but yeah if you're doing that you know you can go up there and be like i'm gonna do hip-hop that's gonna sound a little weird maybe it's not the hip hop you like but let's have fun right and i think that's tight that's that's uh that's like a that's a sign i think of uh an evolved performer somebody that's done a thousand shows you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah um are you a jonathan richmond fan at all that name rings a bell like he was in like modern lovers he did a song like roadrunner well maybe maybe i know i have not actually seen this movie but i know that he was in the movie something about mary okay, okay. Like,

I was like a troubadour or something. Does that make any sense? Have you seen that movie? Yeah. I actually saw that movie in the movie theater and it was like, there's calm. This is incredible. Um,

but I probably haven't seen it in a long time since maybe it was on like cable or something. So I don't know. He met, he maybe just has a small part in that. But I've noticed a lot of people mention that. But like, so he's like one of my favorite songwriters of all time. Nice.

And like, he's like probably in his late 60s. And it's just like been releasing endless albums and like constantly touring that whole since he was like 18 or something damn and like um so the last time i saw him was at metro gallery and it was so crazy like he came out and did like a long set that was zero songs as far as i could say i could tell that had been released on on he's like this one's for me you guys yeah but it was like such a powerful experience because it was like uh-huh his like showmanship and just like being able to like sell a song right was just like to like this extreme like like masterful level right where it's like his enthusiasm for what he was doing made you appreciate it yeah yeah and like

and and these songs were in like 20 different languages like like he just was he did like a damn you know like a song in like german and then yeah it sounds like he like if performing was a video game he put it on expert yeah i'm gonna play really hard and i was just thinking like you know for one it would just be like how much of a disaster would it be if like the rolling stones like came out and tried to do that right like fuck you play brown sugar yeah like it's not easier because people are your fans like people are gonna be yeah people are like wait none of the songs i love like yeah yeah they're gonna it's harder than playing for like no one is right for people that are like yeah it's a weird uh champagne

problem or like your own kind of golden prison where you're like i know you want to hear the songs you love but we wrote a new one they're like fuck you like okay but uh like i don't know it that may that inspired me to be like to be like of course i would love to have like all these songs that like people would go crazy for yeah but like it's like that's not even like the goal or so like, it's almost like he's trying to get back to where like the average musician is. Right, right, right,

right. Yeah. Where he's like, yeah, no, I'm just going to strip it all away. Yeah. Yeah.

And like, I don't know. It's like, if you, it's so incredible. Cause it's like, if you can do that, like you could,

you could literally play anywhere on the earth you know and like yeah it doesn't matter you could get like the like 500 biggest like jonathan richmond haters on the planet together and right like rock for them you gotta be like i gotta give it to him he puts on a hell of a show. I hated the songs. Didn't understand it. But God damn, he was good. That bastard makes me hate him even more how much I like him. God damn it. So yeah.

So in wrapping up here, wrapping double entendre with height over here, huh? That's why I make no money on this podcast. That's what's up. So is that kind of where you're at now? And like even having Cold Rhymes records and sort of like this is what we're going to be doing. Yeah. And so speaking of Pete Holmes, it made me think of he was on a podcast and he mentioned the advice that Conan O'Brien gave him for when Pete was doing his late night talk show.

Conan was like, yeah, everybody's kind of making noise. If you think about it like a band, it's just like you got like the big guitar player and maybe that's the Tonight Show and we all know him and he's playing and there's a drummer and stuff. He's like, me, I just wanted to be the triangle. You don't really necessarily hear it all the time,

but it's consistent. And it's like, and then some people might pay attention and be like, oh, what is just wanted to be the triangle. You don't really necessarily hear it all the time, but it's consistent. And it's like, and then some people might pay attention, be like, oh, what is that? Is that the triangle? Oh, I like the triangle. It's like, we're kind of always there. So it's like, we're going to be doing our thing. We're not going to be trying to be like the most flashy,

but it's like, we're here. We're in our lane and we're also doing stuff that we like, but we're going to be evolving at the same time and we're here. Yeah. So come find us you know so is is that kind of how you feel like with with uh like coming up on a thousand shows do you definitely feel the evolution of your performance and your songs and just you as an artist yeah i mean and honestly like i feel really like rejuvenated in a way or something yeah like where i think i've had different points some of which i might have expressed on earlier episodes of this podcast yeah but like i think there's different points where me as a performer, I just am tired of it or something.

Or feel like... Burnt out. Yeah. And just this feeling of like, why do I want people to look at at me rapping yeah yeah i don't know do you feel yeah all the time yeah it's a weird like pay attention to me but stop it you know like yeah like no i feel weird about it but i want you to look anyway you know yeah yeah it's i think every kind of broken person slash artist has that at the same time where it's like, pay attention to me, but like not too much and don't be weird.

You know? Totally. Yeah. And I think, I suck. Why are you even looking at me? Yeah. I think,

I think like, uh, and there's something just uncomfortable that you have to get over. I think about just like, not attention, but just wanting attention. Yeah know like yeah like being like yeah my plan is to tell more people about this music and then the next day i'm gonna tell more people yeah you don't want to feel like a used car salesman either it's like hey check out height

height's really great you're really gonna love height he's the best look at height man yeah exactly yeah and like i don't know i i think like those kind of things like like weighed me down for a while in a way that like uh uh everyone around me told me it didn't matter and was like unnecessary but i still like felt a lot of that yeah yeah but like I feel like now I'm like kind of moving past that you know and just like yeah happy and excited to be like like going into this like older age and like still like steadily doing it yeah and and doing, and doing what you've kind of always done but still building on that and evolving from there. Yeah.

I mean, I've definitely noticed it. It's really cool to see, man, your consistency over the years and your drive. And I don't think there's probably not one person on this planet that has a bad word to say about height. One of the nicest guys I've ever met. Super talented. And if they don't like height, I bet they fucking suck.

Let's go. So, dude, yeah, you're welcome on the podcast anytime. Man, thank you so much for having me. So check out all of Height's records. The most recent one is Computer Rocker. Mind Moves the Mountains, a real gem for me. Thanks, man. Dude, whenever I jog or if I'm at the gym, I mean, that beat, that gets me hype. is a computer rocker uh mine moves the mountains a real jam for me thanks man dude whenever i uh

jog or if i'm at the gym i mean that beat oh that gets me hype the whole song like i i'm moving the mountain too i love it so and then the show at metro gallery is november 2nd be there 1000 shows yes are you gonna make any merch it's like i did a thousand shows and all i got was his t-shirt or anything like that that's so good it might hell yeah hell yeah is there uh anything else you want to plug uh i don't know when is this gonna come out uh tomorrow oh well perfect um october 18th yes uh a cold rhymes release vans wesley uh it's his release party with easy jackson drew scott and uh welk's mice from buffalo and um you'll see for the first time in 20 some years you'll see your man height playing this live bass oh vans wesley band oh shit and uh where's that that is at mercury theater nice

nice on uh charles street here in baltimore very cool oh hell yeah make sure you check that out uh my stuff to plug here what do i got going on i just did shows so let's see uh let's see as far as like stand-up stuff i just kind of have some random things going on here and there uh make sure you come out to speechless on october 25th that's at the dc draft house um and then i'll be doing some other stuff kind of randomly here and there and i'll keep you posted on that but other than that i just did my weekend to show so yeah uh but but my band tremendous athlete has an album out called uh sign of the devil it's on spotify and itunes and google play and all that stuff and band camp and uh hopefully we're gonna

have a record out soon another one i'm very excited for that and uh yeah dude hi thanks for being on the podcast man thanks for having me appreciate it so uh hi thanks for being here boo bear thanks for being quiet don't freak out when when Haidt leaves. And David Koechner, take us out. Dick Russian Sessions, coming to an end. Thank you. you