The Digression Sessions - Ep. 54 - Mickey Freeland (Mickey Free)

Episode Date: November 4, 2012

.More Fresher Than The Produce Section. Hola Digheads! This week, Mike and Josh are joined by rapper, beat maker extraordinaire, and comedian - Mickey Freeland aka Mickey Free! Mickey started rapping in a suburb of Baltimore in his early teens. Although he didn’t fully dedicate himself to music until after he dropped out of college, Mickey quickly gained some notoriety in the underground hip hop scene when he produced the track, “C.O.D.,” for rapper Big Pooh in 2009.  Mickey followed that up with his solo album, “The Last of the Tight Wiggers” under the moniker “Mickey Free” in 2010.  Which is available for only 5 bones here!   2011 was the year Mickey joined the super-group “Shark Tank,” which featured longtime collaborator Height, Grunge of Pittsburgh’s Grand Buffet, and Canada’s Brendan Richmond. In 2012, Mickey helped produce tracks for Jen Wasner of Wye Oak’s solo project, Flock of Dimes. And along the way he started telling jokes into microphones. Busy man!   During this ep, Mickey discusses some of the aforementioned facts, and his plans for the future as comedian / musician / creative person as he wrestles with his anxiety of touring and the possibilities of “not making it.”   We also discuss a number of topics during this episode including, but not limited to: Kangol hats, rat tails, TV losing it’s middle class, how there ain’t no shame anymore, x-ray iPhones, rat tails, Batman symbol shaved in the back of Josh’s head, and so much more!   PLEASE rate, subscribe, and provide a nice comment on the iTunes!! It’ll help the podcast climb the charts!   WANT TO LOOK FLY AS HELL IN A FREE DIGRESSION SESSIONS SHIRT? EMAIL JOSH – [e-mail]   Have something to say about this ep? Or do you have anything else Digression Sessions related / unrelated to say? Should we start distributing powerpoints with every pod?! DigressionSessions.com !! PLEASE rate, subscribe, and provide a nice comment on the iTunes!! It’ll help the podcast climb the charts! Follow us on the Twitters:  @DigSeshPod @BetterRobotJosh @MichaelMoran10 MickeyFreeMusic.com

Hi. Hi. Hi. Welcome to the Digression Sessions podcast, everybody. Hola, hola, hola. I am one half of your favorite pair of earbuds, Josh Carnivorous Coderna. Sitting to my right is usually the other half of your favorite pair of earbuds, Mike Pregnant pause, Moran.

And on today's program, we are joined by the beatmaker extraordinaire, rapper, and comedian, Mickey Freeland, a.k.a. Mickey Free, who you can check out at mickeyfreemusic.com, where his album, The Last of the Tight W Wiggers is available for a $5 download. That's a risky thing to say to a microphone as a white guy. The Last of the Tight Wiggers. But it's a really good album. It features collaborations with Y-Oak and his longtime friend and collaborator and fellow rapper, Height. Mickey also worked with Jen Wozner of Y-Oak on her solo project, Flock of Dimes, which he got to go on tour with her with.

And he shares a story about that. And it kind of leads into Mickey discussing his anxieties with touring and kind of questioning whether he's going to, quote unquote, make it as a creative person, which I think all creative people through one way or another kind of wrestle with that in their mind. And it's interesting to hear Mickey's take on it. He was very forthcoming and also a very, very funny guy. So we're happy to have him on the episode. And unfortunately, he couldn't stay very long, so we just barely scratched the surface with Mickey, but he promised to come back.

We'll keep you posted on that. And the Dig Sesh's own Mike Moran wrote a book review of Brad Warner's new book Hardcore Zen Strikes Again for Skeptic Magazine. You can check that out at skeptic.com. And he will also be rock and or rolling

on November 16th with his band Polaroid Rage at the Sidebar in Baltimore. You can check out me, Josh Cotton Candy Coderna at the first ever Baltimore Fringe Festival on November 9th at the Autograph Theater. I'll be doing the improvs with a couple of troops and I'm really excited to be a part of that. And thanks so much for listening.

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free digression sessions t-shirt all right enjoy the episode the episode check check check yeah you want some distortion you want a little little give me some echo uh-huh fl Okay, some reverb and some flange. Flanger, I hardly know. And there's a wah-wah pedal by your feet. All right. Feel free to go for it at any time. Yeah, so Mickey Freeland joining us on the podcast today.

Hi, Mickey. Hey, guys. Hey. Thanks for having me. What's it like working for 98 Rock? You know, it's funny. Whenever I Google, if I'm looking for anything comedy-related with me, it's funny. Whenever I Google if I'm looking for anything comedy related with me, it's always

me and him. I notice that too when I look up images of you. I know who he is. I end up masturbating to the wrong person. This is pretty awkward for Mike. So just be cool. I don't even know why I'm talking about it. Or masturbating right now. Hey man, I'm a liberal.

I'm in a blue state. It's all good, man. It's all good, bro. Yeah, I don't know. It's funny because I don't know anything about it. I just know that he's the host of 98 Rock and also a comedian, supposedly. I've never seen him perform. I have not seen him perform either.

All I know is in high school, he did commercials for record and tape traders with the name Rock Bottom. And the bassist in our high school band informed us that he was his cousin and that his real name was Mickey Coachella. And we thought that was a funny name. So what was that was his plan? He's like, you know what? I need a cool name like Rock Bottom.

Mickey Coachella is already like a pretty cool name yeah so was he like hey rock bottom selling some cds except uh yeah yeah they're just like cheap like local commercials we'd be like hey i'm rock bottom and i'm here outside of record and tape traders that is i think that sounds gay right yeah well i well i think uh loose you know something rock bottom. Right. Yeah. Well, I think loose, you know, something... Loose bottom? Yeah, like soft bottom would be...

Tight bottom. Tight bottom. No. Tight bottom would be hetero. Rock bottom would be hetero. Well, if we're talking about muscles, are we talking about

the butt hole? Because lots of gay guys have tight butts. So I've heard, Mickey. So I've heard. I don't know. I guess the object there would be to tighten the outer,

loosen the inner. Sure. Well, I think you want to hold on to the tightness of your butthole as long as possible. No. It's tight as can be anyway. I seriously doubt that gay men

have to concentrate on keeping their butt tight. So I shouldn't be doing these kegels with cucumbers every day is what you're telling me? Welcome back to Kegels with Cucumbers. Hi, I'm Josh Kudernick.

I'm Cucumber. I'm Kegels. We're going on a long stretch here. Kirk marking the kegel in the morning. We're checking in with Kegels and Cucumbers. Let's stretch this. We got the Ravens cheerleaders down here. Stretch this segment out.

Oh, my Lord. Well, anyway, Mickey Freeland. Yeah. That's what they sometimes call me. Once every month or so. Musician? Yep. Rapper?

Rapper. Rapper. Rapper. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. And not just gifts, but rhymes. Tight rhymes.

Speaking of tight buttholes, tight rhymes. Both kinds. Can you kick something for us? Josh busts the beat. I'm not going to kick something. Kick it, Josh. I don't really kick something. You don't freestyle?

You don't kick. I mean, I actually have freestyled in Ken a little bit. I like to freestyle. Okay. I just don't like to. It's kind of like I feel like the world of rap and everybody's idea of it sucks. It's really corny. Everybody likes rap, but everything that goes along with it when you take it out of context,

not old people, it just is really lame. So putting you on the spot like freestyle right now you mean it's kind of like saying like oh you're a comedian make me laugh kind of i mean i don't i never did say it was a comedian i never take offense to it make me laugh three knock knock jokes go do you guys keep it do you guys keep it pg on the podcast ideally y7 oh man so no we can edit we can edit we can add i just didn't know so i'm gonna try to okay you can say whatever you want all right yeah go ahead it's the internet it's the wild west oh man uh yeah i don't know it's just one of those things where like it's like people will either be like and it's fine you know i don't take offense to do it because i've done

the same thing with people that is just like oh you're a scientist tell me about your science machines that gravity exists right you know and like just drop something you know well there it is mr smart guy you know and albert einstein right it's like the kind of thing where people think that uh you know they're just like do it and then you do it and they're just kind of like oh okay you did it and then or like rappers or whoever will be like i beatbox i rap like let me be in your face oh right and it's just sort of like i just don't really like like i hate i usually basically hate rap shows you know i haven't i don't think i've ever been to like a real rap show uh do you know who astronautalist is i do actually it's funny that you mentioned that because i just you just i played a show with him years ago oh

yeah but um he came to town recently right um but yeah i've been to his shows but i feel like those aren't like your traditional right right right but yeah i don't know i think our friend mike colligan went to go see the watch throne tour when it came through was that the uh kanye jay's thor uh it's pronounced jay-z jay-z but yeah uh so yeah that's the closest i've been so yeah that's that's different that's so well like orchestrated and put together right like huge screens yeah i mean i've been right i've been to rap shows where i mean i've played rap shows where they'll be like you know know, six people in the audience. And people will still be like, now I want, when I say this, I want the left side to say this. It's funny when they like are claiming to be like the best in the world too.

Yeah. There's like four people there. Remember that show that we played? Yeah, we did a show at Record Theater where you had to pay to play. And like only this guy's girlfriend the guy was really nice but he was a rapper he was a good rapper too he was he was okay but only his girlfriend was in the audience he's like yeah i know y'all feeling me out there and at this point it was just the bands and his girlfriend in the audience and i think several times he claimed to

be one of the best rappers yeah absolutely that's one of those things that i mean i've been i've been doing rap and stuff for like years and years and years and i really i really love to do it but i have a yeah back since this disorderly uh-huh um you used to go to that uh that dj's the parties in the basements in the brooklyn and yeah yeah from the very uh like uh dj oh god who was the very, like, DJ. The very first guy. The really first. In the projects. He's the Jamaican dude.

Marley Mall? No, no, no. Cool Herc. Cool Herc. Yeah. Well, I always see you wearing those Kegel hats. Yeah. The Kegel hats.

We just did the entire podcast. Kegel. Just trying to remember stuff. Yeah. I don't know. So I love doing rap and stuff, but it's just a funny, it's sort of like a two cuts both ways kind of thing. Well, how would you describe your rapping style? It's like I really like to make poppy stuff.

Like I don't like to make super. I like it to be weird, but still groovy. Like I'm definitely not on the like super elitist sort of underground. Right. I've never been like – my favorite stuff has always been the sort of like mid-level major label. Like sort of somebody that's on a major label but like that's kind of a little bit too weird. Right, yeah. You know?

Yeah, I like stuff like that. Yeah, that's just kind of what I've always liked. So it's just like I try to make the beats like as jamming as i possibly can but fun at the same time yeah you know yeah and i do a lot of like a lot of my stuff is like self-effacing or like a lot of stuff about women you know about all the women you get yeah Yeah, just, you know. How you like to roll on 22s. You have a mansion. Yeah, that. And, you know, just how I'm cooking it up on the stove and then dishing it out. Sure. In the streets.

Steady on the grind. Real talk. Do you have a stage name? It's Mickey Free. So it's just my last name, Mickey Freeland minus. Okay. Yeah. Story checks out. Okay. I'm looking. Okay. Yeah. Story checks out.

Okay. I'm looking right now. Yep. That checks out. That's the guy. If that is your real stage name. So when did you get into rap? How old are you, by the way?

I am 30. Okay. 30 American years old. Oh, okay. So how many is that in dog years? Right. You're not on the metric system. If I was a Russianussian dog they'd be

dead before they were um well they blast all those into space yeah you're not on the metric system of years i've been rapping since i was literally like actually since i was like 11 and um but but like doing it more seriously since like the end of high school i thought you'd be like since i was 11 and a half those first six months you months I didn't really know what I was doing It's hard for me to admit Once fifth grade rolled around I pretty much honed my skills And that's who I am today

So where did you grow up? Did you grow up in Baltimore? I grew up in Catonsville The mean streets I lived in Arbutus for a little bit I went to UMBC My sister lives in Catonsville Catonsville is weird The mean streets. Yeah. Yeah, I lived in Arbutus for a little bit when I went to UMBC. F, yeah. Go Retrievers.

My sister lives in Catonsville. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. All right. Catonsville is weird because when I grew up, and I particularly grew up in a really nice section of Catonsville, and it's weird because it's got these fantastic, beautiful spots, but it's also gotten progressively trashier and weird. Yeah.

I think you just described every place ever. Yeah. It's got some nice spots. It's got some nice spots. It's got some nice spots, but it's getting trashier. It's got a really wealthy part. And then in the same general area, there's a ghetto.

Really? Within 50 miles. I'm sorry, a what? A ghetto? I thought they separated those things by mighty rivers. Not anymore. Thanks, Obama. I thought they separated those things by mighty rivers. Not anymore. That's a sip.

Thanks, Obama. Right? So what did you like about rap at first? Like what attracted it to you? At first it was like rap was attracted to you. Not the other way around. What did rap do to entice you? At first it was just a um it was like a

novelty thing i was so young and i hadn't really messed around with i hadn't like actively started listening to rap it was just like my brother was like we're starting a rap group he's four years older than me and he got into music and stuff and like i was like that's stupid anybody could do it and he was like oh yeah and i just like did this rhyme and What was the first rhyme? The first rhyme was, if I'm not mistaken, was I'm running for rapper in the next election. This is prescience time-wise. Running for rapper in the next election

because I'm more fresher than the produce section. Whoa. Not bad for an 11-year-old. No. But still, silly. And then just after a couple more years, I started to listen. It was like right around when Wu-Tang came. And just very quickly, it was like, man, I really love this stuff.

It's like gone beyond. You know, for a little while, it was just like, this shit is crazy. It's kind of fun. And then I'm just like, this is amazing. Right. And as you got older, you kind of understand and appreciate the music more. Right. Right.

And so, yeah, and I've gone through a lot of like iterations and stuff throughout that. There was a brief period of time in my late teens when I was like trying to dress the part. Oh, okay. Which was just so. Some FUBU? No, never like that, but just like baggy pants. Backwards pants. I felt, you know.

Carving your initials into the back of your head. I did actually do that for a while, but just even before, like, just had an M. Your hair was taller than kid in play. And then you had a jerry curl after that. Yep. Yeah. Let the oil get on my shirt. Yeah.

Couldn't put your head up against things. Yeah, I had something shaped in the back of my head for a little bit. Did you really? It was the Batman symbol. Really? What age are we talking here? Pardon me. I was 19. No, I think I was like eight or something like that.

I had stripes. I did stripes. I think a couple. Oh, like on the side of your head? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was a good look. You'd have like the bowl. I remember the bowl cut and then getting lines on the side.

I did the bowl cut later. This time I had more of the mini mullet going. Kind of the 80s kid. You remember the slightly spiky hair and a little bit of a mullet? A little bit, yeah. I was just going to say I had a rat tail. Oh, man. Rat tails.

I feel a little young for having a rat tail. I was. I don't know. I think it was the same age, too. I don't know. Around eight or nine. It was actually probably like the same age too. I don't know. Around like 8 or 9. It was actually probably like... How old are you, Mike? 31.

I'll be 26 tomorrow. So, when... We like, no, really. I just ignored. But anyway, I had a rat tail. No, no. Happy birthday, man. Happy birthday to me. When we The era that people had rat tails

We were so You know we were old enough That it was just like Man Somebody That's just terrible That somebody would let that kid Have a rat tail

Whereas you were probably Young enough That it was Like you know The difference between Eight and like five Rat tails were popular within my... Remember very early elementary school, the kids that were allowed to have cool haircuts?

There's a few rat tailors. I know. Although I do have a distinct memory of a teacher claiming and then a student repeating that rat tails had gone out of fashion. And this must have been like 1988 or something. Like a very early. Wow. Oh, man. I was really late to the party.

I was born in 86. Wow, man. I kind of feel embarrassed about this whole. No, no, it's okay. I'm moving on. It's okay with you. No, I'll cut my rat tail off tomorrow. So you're saying it's not in?

Is that what you're saying? You've been letting it grow since you were six. Yeah. Well, I've invested a lot of time in it. Right. It shines in the sun. And a lot of money. To be fair, I did just take the condom off of my glasses.

The left part of my glasses. Right. You're really into safe sex. Yeah. And TLC. Right. Tender love and care. Oh, I thought Care. The what?

The network. Oh, the Honey Boo Boo channel. Is that what it's called now? Yeah, I think so. Did you know TLC was supposed to be PBS but privately funded? And that's what Private Act funded. Much like the Discovery Channel

and all those guys. The History Channel. It started out with a lot of good areas and has gotten progressively trashier, just like Kinsville. Exactly. Reality TV, man. It's cheaper. It's easier.

And it sells. Bada bing, bada boom. It's what you got to do in this business if you want to survive. It's not going to be long before digression sessions turns into real world. The whole channel has to get down on its knees and sucky, sucky. That's right. Make that dollar. Yeah. Goodbye, how it's made. Hello. session turns into the whole channel has to get down on its knees and yeah sucky sucky right make that dollar yeah goodbye how it's made hello poor people acting crazy uh okay so you're a crap i think poor people acting crazy is on right now

last week i really like crazy yeah that's my favorite part of it. They get really crazy, and they're really poor, you guys. They're, like, super poor. The poorness is like, oh, cool, I'm, like, I'm better than them. And then the craziness is just entertainment. I do feel like TV is losing its middle class, much like society. Like, there's really good highbrow television these days.

And then there's, like, really trash days. And then there's really trashy. And then there's trashy reality. And not a whole lot of it's in. I don't know. I feel like CBS is taking care of that with CSI New York and stuff like that. Well, I didn't really think about that statement before I said it. I just thought it would be an impressive idea. I agree with you.

And I like how you're upset with me. Well, Josh, I didn't think about it before I said it Asshole But you gotta admit that sounded somewhat intelligent Yeah It's actually funny because I was just talking about it With my dad yesterday And he was just talking about how

When he was growing up People read newspapers And if you were illiterate Or anything like that you were embarrassed There's no shame yeah you're telling me people aren't embarrassed about being illiterate anymore i think that i mean it's like i mean there's almost nobody that's just like i literally can't read a stop sign but like you know the people would definitely be like i'm no shapes man right like give me a break you know like and sorry i didn't go to harvard right you know what i mean it's kind of just like now like it's like as long as we have somebody below us to like piss

on right then people are not worried about your station in life yeah you know what i mean so it's like it keeps going lower and lower and lower and then also conversely to like, to keep the cycle going, we're like, who's the trashiest? Who's the trashiest? Who's trashiest? And then when a celebrity falls, they're just like, yeah, we're dragging you down. So it's like you're never safe. And they're always building you up, too, at the same time. Like, oh, good for them.

And it's like, oh, so-and-so has a coke problem. Like, yeah, I bet they do. Did you see that? They're sick. Gross. And then picking on Honey Boo Boo, it's like she's seven years old i mean i that chick i don't want to say i mean it but i mean that stuff needs to be off the air as soon as oh i agree i agree it's not like minstrel shows didn't exist in the past yeah you know it's not like we haven't been mocking really good

point oh what that she's like seven or no that it's like there's always there's always been the entertainment of the of the underclass you know the exploitation of i think american idol is a pretty disgusting um yeah yeah well at least on that i mean at least there's like people that are like doing something and yeah but but but i mean these people who have been told their whole lives that they're decent singers and then they're encouraged by the producers to keep going through the ranks even though they know that they're going to fail miserably and then to be humiliated on TV. Yeah, that's what I don't like in the beginning. It's like a network TV show on at prime time. Right, yeah.

I've never watched a full episode, but it always grosses me out in the beginning when they have the people that you can tell aren't completely completely there mentally well and they're like now i'm gonna sing a song like oh get a load of this guy yeah i don't know i'm a little disturbed that that level of cruelty has been accepted by the mainstream people love messed up stuff yeah yeah but it's usually kind of it's usually but but but like you know prime time family network like that's a little too much for me. Sure, there's always going to be Jerry Springer and there's always going to be bump fights and things like that. But they're kind of like not the majority. They're not the mainstream. Yeah, I like that. There's always going to be bump fights.

Look, it's a part of life now. We're not going to get rid of bump fights. We've all accepted it into the culture. That stuff is mainstream now. I mean that's accepted into the culture is mainstream now i mean it's like i don't know it's just a bummer that there's kind of this no it's just like it really is like look at that it's like that's not me yeah even if it is you it's just like it's like oh you know like yeah people need that people need to know that there's people like making more of a fool of themselves yeah and then it's a vicious circle too because people that get on those shows just want to be famous just to be

famous so like there's no shaming factor when they're doing like the worst things imaginable it's like you know when you pissed in front of everybody or like got drunk and made a fool of yourself it's like i don't care people watch i make money i do what i want right and like it's just this vicious circle of i mean i don't think it's that i don't think it's like that horrible you know i mean there's always been you know at least we're not executing people publicly anymore or uh you know yeah that's true feather i mean there is less it's like that there's less public uh hanging it's less public that's true that's true it's funny there's like there's that book that came out recently i can't remember what's called it's like about how like now is the least violent time in world history.

People don't understand that, but it's definitely true. Human rights are better than ever. Maybe because we're killing less people, we're shifting that energy towards a modern equivalent of gladiators, which is like Honey Boo Boo. So you're saying that reality TV, low art, low culture is saving us from murdering each other. It could be.

I mean, it could be. It could be part of it. I don't know. I think it's mainly just... Some armchair psychology on my mind. Right. Yeah, no. I would say it's technology more than anything.

Oh, God, yeah. Just because there's just less... Because we're able to mass produce resources, there's just less because we're able to mass produce uh resources there's just less competition yeah yeah and i mean life's pretty easy and most stuff is somewhat affordable you know what i mean like people are just less dumb i know i realize you guys might well dispute that based on what you know actually that's that's a it's a good point because me and my brother actually argue this a lot, whether or not people are stupider now, more stupid now, or whether they just can't hide it because of technology. Is technology – has it made people more stupid or is it just easier for people to express that they're stupid?

Do we really think people from back in the day were hiding their stupidity? Because whenever I watch anything from like the 40s they all seem pretty fucking stupid to me yeah but i mean like i don't know it's like you can't disseminate you know it's more of a social conduct right people well the only person that like would get the mic in like 1940 was like the secretary of state or something you know what i mean like nowadays you're not you're not passing the mic to your man kwan right right you know and yeah that's that's a good point but i think it remains to be seen yeah well it's the shame part too it's like if somebody really didn't know they weren't going to get on like tv or anything or try to voice their opinion they would just chill in the

cut versus today like everybody wants to be seen yeah there's less of a record of uh on extraordinary people from back in the day i guess right i don't know i mean i think you got your flagpole sitters you got leaders of nations and you got your baldville comedian your people that can lindy hop for 37 hours exactly yeah um all right so you started rapping at 11 yep got into the wu-tang and then so you got pretty serious into rapping yeah yeah me i had a group with my brother and uh some of my best friends who at the time were uh height if you guys have ever seen height like height with friends yeah he performed with uh grand buffet a lot which is one of my favorite groups yeah and actually spritzberg rap group yeah yeah hilarious yeah they're amazing they which is one of my favorite groups yeah and actually it's burg rap group yeah yeah hilarious yeah they're amazing they're probably one of the most underrated groups

yeah pretty much you you could possibly i could have sworn they were gonna blow up but i know i don't know i guess they're broken up now i think they're kind of they're kind of broken up yeah kind of not they're kind of still do stuff but jackson is just one of he's an amazing rapper he is a truly an amazing rapper super intelligent too and yeah they're both they're like both me and height they're some of our best friends oh awesome and yeah they're some of the smartest guys like i've ever met hands down yeah um super super weird super crazy super funny yeah i i got to go to uh dinner with those guys and a band that um that we used to go see in annapolis when i was younger um it's band geppetto oh yeah yeah yeah do you know yeah i know uh i know like a couple

of the dudes yeah so we went to go see geppetto and then grand buffet was opening the show and then afterwards we all went to double t diner afterwards and uh we don't really know jackson but during their set they were just so funny like there were tons of like younger kids where we went because it was uh it was a pizza shop that used to have like bands play we go there and they're they're a bunch of young people and then like grand buffet it's like all right how many of y'all have heard of us before and everybody's like not paying attention he's like how many of you guys are uh older than 14 all right maybe the bass will make your balls drop and it's like and then like we got to go to lunch or dinner afterwards and jackson was just

hilarious he's like he's talking to the person next to him and he's like how are the cheesesteaks here and the person didn't answer and then i saw him go to the person sitting across from me he's like i'm gonna have a cheesesteak they're world famous so i hear like just completely in his own world and that's like exactly how he is but like yeah they're i i actually owe a lot to those dudes just like touring and we did me and height did an album with jared the bigger dude oh really lord grunge yeah uh the group is called shark tank oh you was oh i've heard of that i didn't know you were in that that's awesome they have two records i was on the first one i wasn't on the second one just because i didn't really want to do touring and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, and so that's worth checking out. Shark Tank.

So why didn't you want to tour? I have like a really, I don't really like to tour. I did more when I was younger. I kind of have like bad anxiety with it. Just like in general or just with touring? Well, I definitely have bad anxiety in general with certain things. Touring, it sucks because i like to get out there i love to play like i love to yeah it seems like i mean if you're especially if you're with

people that you really like yeah enjoying it be fucking awesome just the anxiety of scheduling everything um there's that i mean i'm i'm terrible at that for one thing but also just the i just played shows and stuff when i was younger where it was just like afterwards it would just be like this is hell like where not the show but like the situation afterwards where it's like there is a person like pouring like red bull and vodka like on my face while i'm trying to sleep you know like just kind of you know like i just very much need my right just just the clutter of always always being around people and the constant. Just like if we had to stay at somebody's house.

Like a hotel would be this shit. Like that would be no problem. Oh, okay. So I guess you kind of just. You have to rely on other people. Right. And not like I just have a problem with like not being able to get away. Yeah.

If I can't get away. Yeah, I'm the same way. I'm the same way. So it kind of sucks because it's like I like to see new places and stuff. But if it's not like completely on my terms. Yeah, you're right. I can see getting burnt out on that, too. It's like I'd rather not sleep on a couch.

I'd rather have a room to myself. Right. Yeah. But it sucks as far as like your career. I mean, it's like it's like I am a musician. I'm like an artist, creative person. But my personality is like a 70 year old. Right.

I'm kind of like that too i run into that all the time yeah like just if i get home from work it's just like i'd rather just you know maybe go for a run and then watch my stories and make dinner yeah i feel like maybe if i was like 18 i would be okay with like sleeping on people's couches and like you know barely surviving and not eating and i did that for a while right yeah but but now it's kind of like yeah i like my veggie shakes yeah yeah i know exactly what you mean yeah food has to be a part of it too yeah just like not eating fast food all the time yeah like i feel like i would get really unhealthy and depressed i'm pretty good at like not eating terrible on the road but i still it's

like the little things like i can i can definitely like I don't eat a lot of cheese sticks and stuff in general, but it would just be, I have a horrible sweet tooth. And like, before I knew it, it would just be like, man, that was a lot of Kit Kats like just now, you know? So I don't know. Uh, but yeah, I haven't, I haven't really been out, um, for a while. I actually, I did do a tour. Yeah. You were spring. You were telling me just, uh, you you did a couple shows with Jen Wozner. Yeah, yeah. Which was with, yeah, for her solo project called Flock of Dimes, which I'm kind of part of because I like produce it and mix it. That's awesome.

Which is awesome. I love to do that. And the tour was awesome, which is really great because we were in sick hotels. Yeah. Because we were opening up for this woman, Sharon Van Etten, who's like an amazing songwriter oh really great check her out um and so it was yeah that was that was nice right that's cool yeah yeah yeah and why oak's blowing up a bit too so i'm sure jen's getting some uh carte blanche yeah like yeah you guys stay in this hotel yeah yeah it's pretty it's pretty rad that's awesome so did you guys meet at golden West? Yeah, yeah. We met before even they had been signed or anything.

Right, right. So Y.O. used to be Monarch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they got signed, and then there was another band called Monarch, so they had to change their name. Oh, okay. But it was crazy. I remember when Jen told me that they got signed to... Yeah, what label are they on?

They are on Merge. Oh, okay. Yeah, and they got signed to Merge after their first record came out, which is amazing. Yeah, and then years later, their song is on The Walking Dead. Yeah, I just saw that. Is it really? Yeah, it closes. Does it close out the season?

Yeah, it closes. I didn't know they were that big. Yeah. They're doing great. It wouldn't be as weird if Walking Dead closed out every episode with a song, but they never do that. Yeah, and it plays for a long time. They play the entire song, and it's this long contemplative moment with a guy staring out a window and stuff. It's a serious, heavy moment.

It's awesome to have a friend like her because her and Andy both really are some of my best friends. I see Jen a little bit more often just because we always work together. But like it's almost like if because we were friends before we were collaborators and before I even knew. And you guys met at Golden West, which we should say is a restaurant. Yeah, it's a restaurant where we both worked. Yeah. And it was just crazy because it's like it's like if you were friends with like John Lennon or something for a long time and then you were like oh john plays music and then it's just like oh you know and it's really cool because everyone knows john plays music right you know and it's just like a really exciting thing to be able to work with her yeah you know she's so talented down to earth

yeah i mean she's like i said she's one of my best friends she's incredibly funny super smart incredibly mature like she's a couple my best friends. She's incredibly funny, super smart, incredibly mature. She's a couple years younger than me, but I never even knew that. Right, right, right. So when she wanted to start doing solo stuff, did you guys ever make music before? Yeah, I am. Because I feel like there's a lot of musicians that work at Golden West. They're kind of like creative people for a while.

I know that dude, Sax, was working there for a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Was he really? Crazy roster there. He went to my high school. Oh, really? Oh, really? That's crazy. I knew Ryan when he was in high school. Oh, really? Yeah, I've known Ryan forever. Sex, Jana Hunter. Who's that?

Jana Hunter from Lower Dens. Do you know that band, Lower Dens? They're really blowing up. Lower Dens, what label are they on right now? I don't know what the label is. Loredenz. Do you know that band, Loredenz? They're really blowing up. Loredenz. What label are they on right now? I don't know what the label is. She was like a solo artist. Then she formed a group when she got here.

She moved to town. They're getting really, really big. It's like sort of dreamy. Shoegrazy. I don't know. Maybe a little bit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah.

Jen, um, Lexi mountain, who was in a bunch of groups, Baltimore does point star. It sounds like a point. It does sound like a point. So name is it mountain like mounting,

but like, yeah, Lexi has three X's. Yeah. Um, I don't know a bunch of other people. It's, it's funny how it's, yeah,

it's been that way. That's cool. Yeah. I feel like, uh, like Baltimore know. A bunch of other people. It's funny how it's been that way. That's cool. Yeah, I feel like Baltimore is just a hive of creative people. They all work at the same five restaurants. Or the rotation. Dono's to One World to Golden Blast, Paper Moon. All right. So if you're working with... Record and tape traders.

Rock bottom. All right. And then, so if you're working with... Record and tape traders. Rock bottom. So we're going kind of linear here. So, okay. So I guess... Semi-line. We're doing semi-line. We're giving a semi. So you're rapping and you're doing pretty serious,

maybe like in your teens? Yeah. Okay. So I went to i went to school uh for about a year and a half uh after high school i went to suny purchase which is actually where i met a lot of people that then moved down yeah ben o'brien went there yeah so that's how i know on the shows which is awesome yeah um and then um came back quit school just i don't know i don't really know why I quit school, but I did.

And I think because my buddy, Hyte, was like, let's do this music shit. So I did an album. I hope that's all he said. And you're like, okay. Pretty much. I mean, I was smoking a lot of weed at the time, so I probably didn't need to say much more. You're about to sign up for your classes. Like, music shit?

Close the laptop. Okay. Say no more. I'm there. Close the turquoise imac yeah shut down your myspace profile this thing's got 64 megabytes of ram and it looks cool too right and then uh yeah and then i came home and i did this one album and then i kind of spent you know i've never i – I've always been horrible at promoting myself, which sucks because I'm a personable person.

I do really well on one-on-one contact, but I just – I hate networking and I hate being like, me, me, me. Yeah, a lot of artists are like that. I just hate it. Some people are great at it and I'm horrible at it because I think you're a dick if you're like – Yeah, it's tough. You got to kind of balance it. Yeah, you do have to balance it. It's hard enough to be like a shyster. Yeah. I you got to kind of balance yeah you do it it's

hard enough to be like a shyster yeah i think there's kind of a classy way though to just like tell your friends you know hey can you guys if you guys get a chance you know come on absolutely yeah it's like hey check out my new album and if you're good people will want to yeah you know what i mean and you don't have to be like yeah i do think it right like hockey like i think they're talking about this on the nerdist recently how these days, because there's so much media out there, if you really just concentrate on your product and you really just do it. It could rise to the top. Yeah, it'll get out there somehow. Yeah.

You can really just concentrate on making yours the best. Yeah, I feel like consistency is huge. Yeah. I mean, if your product is always there and it's always good then it's you're gonna gain some momentum i've had a big problem with going back and forth about where to prioritize like i'm always like down on myself for not doing things right and so and then if you do too much you're like ah right and then i'm like well i'm just i'm just missing out i think right in order to be like a starving artist you have to be a workaholic, I think. You just always have to be working hard.

I do work all the time, but I'm not super productive, which is a bummer. I'm kind of the same way, I think. I pull my hair out most of the time. I definitely push myself to be... Every single night I go to bed being like, I'm fucking horrible. I do nothing with myself. Yeah, and that's a shitty way to feel. Like, I don't want to feel that way.

It's always more to do. Yeah. I always fall short. You know, I feel like it's... Right. It's especially tough when you have a lot of successful friends. And it's like, I am not... No, I don't have that problem.

I'm not, like, jealous of anybody in the sense that I think that they, like, don't deserve it. Because I do think all of my friends that are successful, deserve it so much yeah but i'm so envious of their like talent skill and like yeah yeah that's normal but anyway so feel out like that towards me i think yeah absolutely um but anyway so i spent my kind of mid-20s like i was just like okay because i make beats and i was like i'm better at making beats than i am at rapping. And this was sort of before there was like 7,000 million white rappers. And I was like, okay, I'm just going to try to do beats. And so I spent my mid-20s trying to sell beats. And I had a manager, this guy that I met online.

That sounds weird. Do you tell that story in your act? Is that the same manager? That was different. That's much more recent. manager? That was different. That was much more recent. Okay. That was different. This is this other guy who apparently had worked with Eminem or something like that.

You know what I mean? When you're young and you're kind of like, this dude didn't do shit for me ever. You know what I mean? He didn't cost me any money. Nobody ever has a good manager story. I hooked up with this guy and he was so good to me. Yeah, yeah. It's just like he really made my career take off you know i didn't even have to do anything basically anytime anybody has ever tried to help me or taken an interest in me like they've

like something has gone wrong even if they have great intentions and it's nothing career-wise yeah i'm really glad you came over for the podcast by by the way. You're helping us out a lot. Thank you. Computer just catches fire. All right. Thanks, Mickey. You know, but it just hasn't. I don't know why. It's just, you know, people will be like, I'm going to do this for you.

Yeah, it's weird. And then it just doesn't, you know, they don't or they flake out on me or whatever. I mean, I flake out on people all the time, too. Yeah. So anyway, it's been spent a couple years doing that. I got one track placed on a nationally released record. Really? Which record?

Now that's what I call music? It was by this dude. Yeah, it was a cover. One of those covers albums. Because he can't get the rights to it. Have you heard of MC Scat Cat? It was like, it was this dude. I am him.

It was this dude, rapper Big Pooh, who was in a group called Little Brother. Yeah, yeah. You know, Ninth Wonder. Ninth Wonder. Fruity Loop Beats. That's the most fecal rap name I've heard yet. Rapper Big Pooh. Yeah. Big Pooh. Outside of MC Feces. the most uh fecal rap name i've heard yet uh rapper big poo yeah outside of mc feces he does look like a big winnie the pooh though really yeah it always cracks me up when rappers

have cute names like i know i kind of like it's kind of adorable yeah well it's just ching he's like not even like he's like a like a leprechaun or something oh really you know i thought he's right and a holiday in spokesman yeah um yeah and so uh this you know and after that like his manager was like oh we're gonna bring you on board basically all this stuff just like fell apart in this very rapid way oh my god i just kind of had this because i got a lawyer involved i was like hey look at this contract and the lawyer was really cool and he was like that's not quite right let me see if i can help you out as soon as i got the lawyer involved the dude like just pulled the contract away and like cut off all oh wow he was like offended that i even really you know and i was just trying to watch my back and like yeah so he's like oh i can't manipulate and abuse you

yeah deals off basically wow and um and then anyway i after that i just for the first time ever this i was like 26 or maybe 27, I was just like, oh, I'm probably not going to make it. As a musician or as a creative person, I was just like, I thought I would, but even if I'm good,

the odds are that I won't. And I had never internalized that, just the blank odds, not even taking into account talent or anything. And it really, like, I went into, like, a big depression and, like, horrible. I'm kind of thinking about that stuff, too, because I've been playing in bands since I was, like, 16. None of them are really good, but a lot of them are my friends. And I think, like, God damn, I'm turning 26 tomorrow.

Like, if I had been still playing with these guys for 10 years, like, we'd be making great stuff. Like, just by the fact that, like, we've worked together for 10 years and we're friends. Like, not only are we going to be better musicians, I mean, in theory, but making music together, like, we, I mean, it would be like, it would be so easy just because we know how everybody operates. And it's so weird to think, like, how splintered everybody is. And then, like, turning. You don't think it's going to be like like how splintered everybody is and then like turning you don't you don't think it's gonna be like that right and then all of a sudden i'm like man i'm 26 and you hear about guys that are younger it always trips me out too to be watching football and be like dory smith 23 years old like holy fuck i expect all famous people to be older than me i know and you see people yeah and you just see giant guys that are like 22 and I'm like, God, I'm 26.

That guy could – I look like I'm 17 and that guy is like a fully formed man. And he's like making millions of dollars. Part of like being the artist or like the creative person, like everybody kind of comes to a realization that that's the reality of it. But I think you can get past that. I think – I don't think I need to be famous in order to be happy. I hope that I can just do what I love and not have to work another job. That's basically my dream. That's my dream too.

That's definitely my dream. If I can live somewhat comfortably and be doing what I love, that would be phenomenal. It really doesn't. Statistically also, it's like people who win the lottery are happier for a year and then they're exactly the same. And wealth really does not make you happier for very long. Yeah.

As long as your basic needs are met. All I want is to be able to retire in some sense. Like I can keep at my level of like zero money. Like I always have like a tiny little bit of money in my bank account like enough that like if something happened like i know people that have like 30 and i'm like oh that's i i would never be able to chill that freaks me out too right yeah i can't do that i could maintain this what i'm doing for years and years and years and years i just want to be able to like not not have to like retire, you know, like, okay. I worry about retirement.

I worry about healthcare costs. Right. And then like, what would I do? Just be like, I'm going to kill myself tomorrow. But for me, it's like, it's like, I know that this is at least for now, unless something big changes, I know that this is exactly what I want to do. This is how I want to live. And I'm going to keep maintaining it the best I can.

Right. If it gets rough, it gets rough. Right. Right. And I don't think it's like that big of a, you know, how bad could it possibly get? Yeah. I mean, I'm a waiter keep maintaining it the best I can. If it gets rough, it gets rough. I don't think it's that big of a... How bad could it possibly get? I mean, I'm a waiter and it's like... Yeah, me too.

Yeah. And it's like I do perfectly fine. I can absolutely maintain my lifestyle. Yeah, and then you have a good schedule too where you can sleep in. Work till midnight, sleep till 10. Do what you want. Yeah, which is awesome. But it's kind of like... I don't know. You guys were talking about retirement, getting older. right and like yeah work till like midnight sleep till 10 right and do what you want yeah which

which is awesome but it's kind of like i don't know like you guys are talking about with retirement like getting older like i think about that shit and it kind of freaks me out too like being like oh but i'm so young theoretically i'm like well what am i gonna do when i retire like not having an income is really scary and being old and feeble like you said like that thoughts cross my mind like would i have to kill myself yeah like if you didn't have any money? Well, people do it all the time. But my dad jokes about it. He's like, I'll be dead by then.

And he'll be joking around. That's like 10 years from now, and you're only 56. But it's true. That's the reality for some people. If I don't have money or income, they're not going to hire me, even to be a waiter. Right, exactly. they're not going to hire me right even if to be a waiter right exactly yeah i mean it is also like living can look at living conditions from the 1920s to now you know that's that's where our grandparents you know grew up from if we look at it you know 60 years from now we'll probably be

all right you know yeah that's true it's also just i don't know it's tough with our generation not it's like this is the first generation that isn't going to do better than their parents and it's like i look at my parents and my parents are like you know i would say i was raised like comfortably middle class you know not like you're in a nice part of catonsville yeah you know what i mean like my mom was an elementary school principal and like she's retired basically semi-retired now. My dad does like real estate estimating. And like I'll go over there and my mom is just – I love my mom. She just loves to spend money. And she's just like – and she's like, oh, we got a new – you know, it will be like new fridge.

I'm just like – so there was a fridge. That was working perfectly fine. It's like until the duct tape will not keep whatever I have going, then I'll think about getting something new. Yeah, like literally it's like this. Okay, so my car – I got from when my grandfather died. Like that's how I got my car. Something happened with the gas tank and I can't fill it. Basically, there's an automatic cutoff valve that vents gas fumes when you fill your tank and that's what tells the –

That it's full? that it's full right and so i can only put like a quarter of a tank at a time in my so i'm at the gas station with a funnel i bought a funnel and i put it in every single time every time and i can the funnel allows me to basically put in like in 10 to 15 minutes i can put in a quarter right and like i'm like i have the funnel like the funnel. Like, the funnel is my, that's what I'm using. But whenever you do that, are you worried about the avalanche, the pussy that entails, like, after you're filling up your car with a funnel? Does that happen? Just they see it and they're just like, I am wetter than that gas.

Sure. Exactly. They're just sliding all over the gas station. You know, I do worry about it. It's hard to beat them back. Yeah. You know. It's all in the game. But I do have about it. It's hard to beat them back. Yeah. You know. That's all in the game.

But I do have a car. I mean, that's a start. That's what you say as you're filling it up. I am filling a car up, ladies. I got a car. You see that? Yeah. Yeah, four wheels.

But, you know, it's just, like, funny seeing my parents, and it's just, like, you know, I mean, they just got a new, they got this new walkway put in up to their house, and it was thousands of dollars. And they're like yeah i take comfort in the fact that i don't need that stuff i don't care about that shit at all i'm just worried i'm worried for the few because i see that and i'm like they are good to go i mean like this shit could hit the fan and they could like lose everything i don't understand how people do that for one like i don't know how you have like a regular guy job and still like amassed enough money to do that i don't know either i don't know but you have a regular guy job and still amass enough money to do that stuff.

I don't know either. But you say you have retirement plans and stuff like that. You plan for it. It's not like they're just like, oh, I have all this money now. They both kind of still work. My dad still works full time and my mom still does. And you get Social Security. Yeah.

But for us, Social Security is going to be garbage by the time that we're in. Most likely. And. So, I mean, which isn't much. But it's like, for us, it's like Social Security is going to be, like, garbage by the time that we're... Most likely. And, like, for us, we're just waiters. I mean, we... But, I mean, we'll probably... Yeah. There'll probably be also, like, really incredible technological advancements.

That's true. That will... Yeah, I'm hoping there's, like, some gene replacement or something, but... I think there will be, like, things that we can barely even fathom right now in the same way that our grandparents couldn't fathom the stuff that's happening today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Burr has a really good bit about all all the uh like athletes taking all the human growth hormone and doing like gene replacement stuff he's like good let them be the guinea pigs for this like 30 years like they'll have that shit figured out it's like when people first started getting plastic surgery like in the late 80s like look terrible but now it's like they're kind of like ironing out the bugs now they look like they've been iron like ironing out the bugs so they look like they've been ironed now they look completely a few years away from uh the ipod being able to scan your body for viruses that's oh really yeah yeah there's a bunch of crazy shit that no i know x-ray vision uh that's that's going to be a reality in a few years or like with a device

like yeah i think with an ipod or something like that i uh apparently the the company that's going to be a reality in a few years. With a device? Yeah, I think with an iPod or something like that. Apparently, the company that's patented it, for moral reasons, they only go a few feet out. Right. But the competition will probably change that very quickly. Yeah, I'll let people test that one out too, just radiation pouring out of your iPod. I don't think it works with radiation.

Yeah, it's got to work with some other... Okay, yeah, it has to, right? Otherwise, you're just like... Getting radiation all over each other. I can see your heart, bro. We're all either turning into superheroes or mutants within one generation. Everybody's right thigh is just hawked out.

Exactly. There's also, believe it or not, a dream recording device that now exists in primitive stages. How the fuck does that work? They used YouTube to match. On YouTube? They used R. Kelly technology.

They used YouTube videos to match brainwaves with images. And it can thus recreate images on a screen based on what your brain waves are doing. Interesting. Yeah, I saw something on 60 Minutes that was a guy that had ALS, like Lou Gehrig's disease, where basically your body shuts down, but your brain is fine. And he wore sort of like a swimmer's cap. Yeah, and then you put like a gel, and then you have a bunch of electrodes on it. And there was a huge screen in front of him that the electrodes were connected to, to a computer, to a screen.

And he would just envision letters, and then it would pop up on the screen. So that's how he would communicate. Wow. So basically, they know what you're thinking. So he could put together sentences like that. I feel like I would OCD myself into fucking that up really bad. I would force

myself to think something ridiculous just to screw myself over. The same way I can't stop picking at a cut or something that I have just to make myself feel pain. That technology has actually existed for a while now. I remember in the 90s they had uh some some device hooked up where you could move a chair to the left or the right by thinking yeah yeah i've seen stuff like that on

the head talks and stuff like that oh yeah it's pretty amazing so you're gonna be a rapper yeah for forever you think you think you're gonna keep rapping rapping? I really don't know. Until your body shuts down, you get gene replacement, hair plugs. I just turned 30 and it was definitely like I was not psyched. I know it's stupid. I'm not trying to be like...

I did an album two years ago that I'm really proud of, but like I haven't really done anything since. Like I've just been like I've had really bad writer's block. Is that album out? Yeah. Yeah. Where can people get it? You can just get it from my website, which is mickeyfreemusic.com.

It's only five bucks. Nice. And I'm really proud of it. I think it did a really good job. And did you produce all the tracks too? Yeah, me and my buddy Dave, who's my music partner. Okay, right on. And so, you know, I don't know.

Like now, I just, I really don't, I actually am really, I was just talking to my therapist. Yeah, I want to do that too. It's pretty awesome. Talk to my therapist. Talk to my therapist about your career. Because he needs to get you going i know i know he's he should be my manager um so he does not fall under the umbrella of people who have tried to help you and screw things up no he hasn't screwed anything up he's a good he's a good

guy it's like sometimes you gotta burn shit and make it go for it what do you want me to tell you you know what i recommend cigarettes lots ofarettes. Lots of cigarettes. Oh, man. Cigarettes are good. Just give them a good sock to the eye. Good for the anxiety. But, yeah, but anyway, so I'm just trying to, like, now that I started doing comedy, like, there's part of me that's just like, is that, should that be a bigger thing? Like, what am I going to do with music? Like, I'm not, the problem is I'm just not, I'm not, like, the most ambitious person in the world.

Like, I want this success, but, like, I just am not, I'm not like the most ambitious person in the world. Like I want this success, but like I just am not, I've never naturally like woke up at like eight in the morning and been like, I'm focused like a lady. Yeah. I'm kind of the same way.

I try to force myself though. It does. I try to find tricks and ways to break my mind. Right, but it does seem like, you know, in all the stories that you see that that's kind of what it takes,

like almost to the detriment of every other aspect. Probably most of the time. Yeah. I mean, not every single time, but most of the time, like your focus has to be on your passion, whatever it is, music, comedy. And that's the question that I'm really trying to ask myself right now. Is it like, do I change who I am just naturally to have a a goal to have a means to an end or do i try to just accept myself who i am and accept being like not really knowing if anything's going to happen and take this like lower path of just like well i don't know but it seems like you want the uh the

former like you want that like not not so much to be like uh to be known but kind of that comfortability as well that comes with it like i would love music or whatever my creativity to be my my means like how i make my money so i don't know it's weird i think you should uh i think i mean for me i would love to do that like i'm not doing that like i actually work at social security so it's like i would love to um like devote all of my time to either music or comedy or something but i know what you mean where it's tough it's like and do i want to devote all this time and then like where does it get you if it if it doesn't go well you know yeah there is you do have to kind of accept your own physical limitations though like i know i will never be jason weems i'll never be sleeping for an hour a night and working a regular day job and touring when i get off in the afternoon

yeah raising a family like you know some people can just do that shit some people can just not sleep yeah you know like i i know i'm not so you wouldn't go without food you know and they stay strong and healthy and i'm just not one of those people like i have to accept my i i think you have to set pretty realistic goals you know right chewable chunks like i know i'm never gonna you know like i i try to devote a decent chunk to writing every day you know and and several other projects that i've got going on and i do pretty much spend almost all my day working on stuff which is what i like you know i spend very little time like chilling because you know and it makes me happy like working on things yeah yeah um but uh you know i i don't know i try to not beat myself up too bad

yeah you know it's i just have a really hard time not doing that because my problem is like i have a studio space i'll go there every day i work on stuff every day but i either just get super frustrated because i'm like it's not happening you know like it's not coming together and i just get so down on myself and i don't like normally just i don't really sit around like that much but if i get bummed out right then i'm just like fuck me i feel like a power is often the solution to that like when i'm just feeling so much despair that i can't do anything like just taking like two hours to that's not a bad idea and then kill yourself for two hours i noticed like those really bad feelings of of uh sloth

and misery usually occur for me in the afternoon me too too. And I've read that it's more natural for humans to take a siesta in the afternoon. Yeah, I just heard something that you actually have more testosterone when you first wake up. Yeah, that's why you eat boners. Yeah, exactly. But that's also kind of part of where your energy as a man comes from. It's like your testosterone. So that's why in the morning you might be a little sluggish once you have that feeling, kind of like that get up and go. That's why I usually try, you might be a little sluggish once you have that feeling, that get up and go.

That's why I usually try to write when I get up. But all day, your testosterone is decreasing. So by the night, that's where your energy is fading. So maybe by the afternoon, but a nap would help. I actually have to get going. You got to take a nap? Yeah. You got to take a nap?

Yeah, I'm really bummed. I'm sorry. No, man. I'm so glad you came by. Sorry, everybody. Just leave it on that note. No, Mickey, you've got to come back sometime. Yeah, I would love to because I love to talk about myself.

We'll talk about other things too. We've barely scratched our lottery ticket. But yeah, this is great. I had a lot of fun. Cool, man. Thanks for coming back. You can come back and see us cool man all right so people should go check out uh would you say mickey free music.com okay and they can like me on facebook too

yeah right there awesome yeah so they're just mickey free on facebook uh yeah it's just yeah i think it's just mickey free is it yeah i don't think it is. Is it? I think I would know a little bit better than you. It's not like you stalk your own profile pics from vacation. You know? Oh, my God. All right. Cool, man. Thanks a lot.

Thanks for coming by, man. All right. Thanks, dudes. Bye. Bye. Thank you.